[12:09] <thedarkener> Hey who was the one that had the IP address problem yesterday that i was trying to help?
[12:10] <mhz> heheheheheh
[12:10] <mhz> thedarkener: do you use xchat?
[12:12] <mhz> have you enabled logs in Preferences? If so, then grep -B 3 -A 3 -i problem .xchat2/.xchatlogs  
[12:12] <Burgwork> ogra, gcompris 7.4 is out. We might want to pull this release in, as it has a kiosk mode and a new menu
[12:12] <thedarkener> gotcha..thanks =)
[12:12] <thedarkener> was it you mhz ?
[12:12] <mhz> where you can change 'problem' for the specific word
[12:12] <mhz> thedarkener: nope, not me
[12:12] <Burgwork> ogra, I will try on my dapper machine with the unofficial packages later this week
[12:13] <mhz> Burgwork: great!
[12:13] <mhz> good news
[12:25] <thedarkener> Has anyone had the problem where even if you statically assign IP settings to eth1, whenever you 'ifup eth1' it may say the settings are right but you still have no network connectivity?
[12:26] <thedarkener> and it hangs during ntp sync? this happened to me today and i couldn't even update my edubuntu client tree :(
[12:26] <thedarkener> Can't even ping hosts on the same network
[12:26] <thedarkener> verified network connectivity with another dhcp-enabled computer
[12:28] <thedarkener> but with dhcp3-client i couldn't get an IP... dhcp server is a windows 2003 server, and i heard that you need to enable 'send host-name' in the dhcp3client.conf file or something like that because of dynamic dns updates requiring hostname to be sent along with the request
[12:29] <thedarkener> but even statically assigning ip information wouldn't allow network connectivity for some strange reason
[12:29] <mhz> hmmm
[12:31] <thedarkener> AND it was working fine in my lab before i brought it onsite
[12:31] <thedarkener> the last thing i did was do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade before i disconnected it
[12:34] <Burgwork> thedarkener, that may not have been the best thing to do ;)
[12:36] <thedarkener> Burgwork, yeah i guess not huh =p
[12:37] <thedarkener> the strangest thing is, it would return maybe 1-2 out of 50 pings if i left it going
[12:37] <thedarkener> like it's a driver issue
[06:16] <co_biasa2_aja__> hello
[01:45] <bobulator> im being totally blind. can someone tell me how to change the language for individual users? ive installed the language packs, now i cant work it out...
[01:46] <pygi> JaneW, spacey: poke? :)
[01:47] <pygi> ogra, highvoltage: ???
[01:47] <pygi> anyone?
[01:55] <Bluekuja> hello pygi
[01:55] <Bluekuja> ;)
[01:56] <pygi> Bluekuja: hello first
[01:56] <pygi> second: who are you? :)
[01:56] <Bluekuja> wanna read wiki?
[01:56] <Bluekuja> its hard to explain
[01:56] <Bluekuja> all story
[01:56] <Bluekuja> hehe :)
[01:56] <pygi> :-P
[01:56] <pygi> what wiki this time? :)
[01:56] <Bluekuja> here it is the link
[01:57] <Bluekuja> wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreaVeri
[02:00] <pygi> Bluekuja: bah
[02:00] <pygi> that one :)
[02:00] <Bluekuja> ?
[02:00] <Bluekuja> what do you mean man?
[02:00] <pygi> nothing :-P Am I really supposed to read all that? :P
[02:01] <Bluekuja> haha
[02:01] <Bluekuja> its really long^^
[02:01] <pygi> Bluekuja: maybe some other time? :)
[02:01] <Bluekuja> haha yeah
[02:01] <Bluekuja> np man
[02:01] <Bluekuja> you're a server team member
[02:01] <Bluekuja> so you know neuralis?
[02:04] <pygi> Bluekuja: yesh :P
[02:05] <Bluekuja> :)
[02:05] <pygi> why?
[02:05] <pygi> JaneW: I know that you are working now...but can you please look at mail once you have time? Thanks :)
[02:09] <Bluekuja> because i know him
[02:09] <Bluekuja> im testing dapper 6
[02:09] <Bluekuja> server
[02:09] <Bluekuja> ^^
[02:10] <pygi> Bluekuja: great :)
[02:10] <pygi> Bluekuja: hope you like it :P
[02:11] <Bluekuja> yeah of course , i'm using ubuntu server os 
[02:11] <Bluekuja> for my home server
[02:11] <Bluekuja> really good
[02:13] <JaneW> hi pygi 
[02:13] <JaneW> sorry was busy and missed your pings
[02:13] <JaneW> I'll check my mail
[02:13] <pygi> hi JaneW
[02:13] <pygi> yea, you are always busy :)
[02:17] <JaneW> sorry
[02:17] <JaneW> :/
[02:18] <pygi> JaneW: bah, it's not your fault :) All of us are busy :-/
[02:18] <JaneW> yes I wish life would SLOW DOWN
[02:19] <pygi> JaneW: and yes, about that sentence of yours "Ok, cookbook is doomed" ...
[02:19] <pygi> no worries, we'll get it there :)
[02:19] <JaneW> pygi: sorry that was knee-jerk reaction
[02:19] <JaneW> don;t be too offended
[02:19] <JaneW> pygi: I think we will...
[02:19] <pygi> I am not, why would I be? :)
[02:20] <JaneW> but do you agree with my approach?
[02:20] <JaneW> pygi: just saying (in case)
[02:20] <pygi> fine it is, yes :)
[02:20] <pygi> anyway, the mail I sent has divided parts for me and Herman *and lill' for ogra* to write
[02:20] <pygi> if they disagree, they'll say it
[02:20] <pygi> and we'll finally do it
[02:22] <pygi> JaneW: Altought me and Herman could probably write LTSP part I think ogra is expert on that :)
[02:22] <JaneW> pygi: agreed
[02:22] <pygi> JaneW: ok,now I'll stop bothering you :)
[02:23] <ogra> pygi, what exactly do you mean with "Keep LTSP in shape" ?
[02:23] <ogra> its usually maintenance free apart from upgrades, which you have an extra bulletpoint for
[02:24] <pygi> ogra: "thats basically explaining the three ltsp administration commands" :)
[02:24] <pygi> maybe some other name would be better :-P
[02:24] <ogra> heh, ok
[02:25] <pygi> ogra: well, anything else that should be written about LTSP?
[02:25] <ogra> there can be more ... like a well quoted lts.conf with explanation of the settings and indeed the commands have options
[02:26] <pygi> ogra: well, fine :) all we need about LTSP
[02:26] <ogra> basic explanation what ltsp sohould also be in there 
[02:27] <spacey> pygi: hi
[02:28] <spacey> pygi: noticed the wiki changes?
[02:28] <spacey> pygi: noticed my blog post on planet ubuntu?
[02:29] <pygi> spacey: yes, and yes :)
[02:29] <pygi> spacey: hi
[02:29] <pygi> spacey: saw my mail?
[02:29] <pygi> ogra: agreed
[02:30] <spacey> pygi: no not yet
[02:30] <pygi> spacey: please do? :)
[02:30] <spacey> i'm packing some stuff to move to my new office now
[02:30] <spacey> pygi: can reflect those changes on the wiki?
[02:30] <spacey> that would be great
[02:30] <spacey> chapters and worksheet
[02:31] <pygi> spacey: will do...later tho..gotta run now :)
[02:32] <pygi> please comment the mail once you have time :)
[02:33] <pygi> JaneW, spacey, ogra: I gotta go now...talk to you later :)
[02:33] <spacey> might be tomorrow
[02:33] <spacey> ok
[02:33] <spacey> cya
[02:34] <JaneW> bye pygi 
[04:37] <sbartleylinux> ogra, Seveas, ok. so help me understand why I would talk here about Ubuntu related questions and not limit the topic here to edubuntu?
[04:37] <ogra> because this is also the #ubuntu-ltsp channel ;)
[04:37] <sbartleylinux> or is it just because of less traffic here?
[04:37] <sbartleylinux> ahhhhh
[04:37] <sbartleylinux> did not know that.
[04:37] <ogra> at least you'll finde the most ltsp users here :)
[04:37] <ogra> *find
[04:38] <sbartleylinux> cool. learn something every day.;)
[04:38] <ogra> edubuntu installs ltsp by default, so most edubuntu users are ltsp users ;)
[04:39] <sbartleylinux> k. thx.
[04:41] <sbartleylinux> So, the debate we are having is around trying to decide if we want to go with the dapper ltsp or do dapper with the ltsp.org setups.  Trying to figure out what might or might not work in the dapper ltsp so we can make an educated decision.
[04:42] <ogra> the only thing we dont have by default ltsp.org ltsp has, is the local device support, but i try to get that installable and documented before release
[04:42] <ogra> (we'll ship our own LDA implementation in dapper+1, so it wont get into the default install as is)
[04:43] <sbartleylinux> ok. great.  our primary need is for audio support and I just need to set expectations with them that it "will/should/might" work by our intended release in August/September.
[04:43] <ogra> the advantages of ubuntu ltsp are upgradeability via apt-get, usplash on boot, ssh tunneling
[04:43] <sbartleylinux> correct.
[04:44] <sbartleylinux> And I love that the speed issues seem to have been resolved.  great work there.
[04:44] <ogra> else there are not many differences, we worked on most specifications together with jammcq and the ltsp.org team
[04:44] <ogra> yes, the bootspeed was very poor in the breezy version
[04:46] <sbartleylinux> Well, I am working on a Dapper Flight 6 install to an IBM 3U 2X 3.4Xeon w/ 8GB RAM and 420GB RAID 5 for our support team to use.
[04:46] <sbartleylinux> This is our initial testing in prep for Dapper.
[04:47] <sbartleylinux> So far so good with the tests.
[04:47] <ogra> cool :)
[04:49] <sbartleylinux> thx for the info and help.  ttyl
[04:49] <ogra> ciao
[06:26] <juliux> hi mhz 
[06:27] <mhz> hi juliux, how are you
[06:27] <juliux> fine thxs
[06:27] <juliux> and you?
[06:27] <mhz> cool
[06:27] <mhz> just relaxing a little trying to install linux into a hp jornada 728
[06:27] <juliux> cool
[06:28] <juliux> i will now test edubuntu with my thinclient and my vmware ;)
[06:28] <mhz> (i have already done so, many times, but now I am trying to chroot it in my PC, install/remove stuff and then pass it to the CF so th jornada can boot it)
[06:28] <mhz> juliux: good luck
[06:28] <juliux> thxs
[06:29] <juliux> i only have vmware because in a german computer magazin was an oneyearlicence
[06:32] <mhz> oooooh
[06:32] <mhz> linux magazine?
[06:43] <Bluekuja> mhz: hi :)
[06:44] <mhz> Bluekuja: hey mon
[06:44] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:44] <Bluekuja> do you have some problems too in lp?
[06:46] <mhz> lp?
[06:46] <Bluekuja> launchpad :)
[06:46] <mhz> ohh
[06:46] <Bluekuja> i was doing some work there
[06:46] <mhz> no idea
[06:46] <Bluekuja> and every time i get oops error
[06:48] <mhz> hmmmm
[06:48] <Bluekuja> OperationalError
[06:48] <Bluekuja> A server error occurred.
[06:48] <mhz> did you ask #launchpad guys?
[06:48] <Bluekuja> nope ,im going there now
[06:48] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:09] <CheekyTurtle> I was googling and looking through the mail archives - couldn't find an answer to: my terminal starts up, begins to bring up X and (I can see the X cursor for a moment) and then drops to a terminal log-in -- any suggestions?
[07:11] <ogra> thats a default ubuntu ?
[07:11] <ogra> err
[07:11] <ogra> edubuntu ?
[07:11] <CheekyTurtle> yep
[07:12] <ogra> breezy or dapper ?
[07:12] <CheekyTurtle> dapper :)
[07:13] <ogra> try hitting alt-f7 after boot, is there a login manager ?
[07:13] <CheekyTurtle> lol -- yep ...  shoot that was simple
[07:13] <CheekyTurtle> bug?
[07:13] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/39294
[07:13] <ogra> ;)
[07:13] <ogra> havent tracked it yet
[07:14] <ogra> will do so next week, before the beta release
[07:14] <CheekyTurtle> np -- thanks for your time ...
[07:22] <Yagisan> cool. so I'm not the only one that has to sometimes hit alt+f7
[07:22] <ogra> what bothers me is the "sometimes" in your sentence
[07:24] <juliux> ogra, ist my bug report
[07:24] <Yagisan> ogra: yes, it bothered me too. I rebuilt the ltsp chroot yesterday so I'll see if it is still sometimes
[07:25] <ogra> i wonder where i catched that desease ... must be a debian bug i pulled in thrugh a merge
[07:25] <juliux> ogra, i have boot my thinclient here today 5 times
[07:25] <juliux> 2 time i get the consolen login
[07:25] <juliux> 3 times ldm
[07:26] <ogra> ok, thats at least a majority of successfull boots :/
[07:26] <Yagisan> I notice that I don't get ldm when the monitor is off at boot
[07:26] <juliux> Yagisan, hm that is here no problem
[07:27] <Yagisan> I usually hear about it. "Yagisan my computer is broken"
[07:27] <Yagisan> usually works on a reboot
[07:27] <ogra> indeed, the xorg autodetection needs the monitor running 
[07:28] <ogra> else dccprobe wont get any resolution ...
[07:28] <ogra> its the same with the liveCD
[07:29] <Yagisan> ogra: yeah, that shits me off no end on my main system
[07:29] <Yagisan> if the monitor is off all I get is 640x480
[07:30] <Yagisan> most annoying if the power is cycled when I'm out or in bed
[07:30] <ogra> convince the monitor manufacturers to put little batteries in their monitors :)
[07:30] <ogra> no dccprobe without power
[07:30] <ogra> nothin you can do against it from software side
[07:31] <ogra> (indeed you can override the autodetection and add xorg.conf files for every client you want :)
[07:32] <Yagisan> yes, I know. I'd rather not, I sometimes forget to back things up like that
[11:33] <finch> hi i have edubuntu running on server but workstation says /etc/pxlinux.0 wrong value
[11:33] <finch> Can anyone help
[11:34] <mhz> finch: did you do edubuntu install (default) or installed on your way?
[11:35] <mhz> did you use edubuntu CD?
[11:35] <mhz> did you install ubuntu and then edubuntu on top?
[11:35] <finch> I did a edubuntu install via CD
[11:35] <mhz> which version of edubuntu? (dapper or breezy)
[11:35] <finch> Latest
[11:36] <finch> Breezy
[11:36] <mhz> hmm, i have not used dapper yet, sorry
[11:36] <mhz> oh, breezy!
[11:36] <mhz> gimme a sec.. /phone
[11:49] <mhz> e
[11:49] <mhz> re
[11:49] <mhz> finch: how did you set up your network (server side)?
[11:51] <finch> One nic ip 192.168.0.253 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1
[11:52] <finch> the workstation get ip but cant find file
[11:53] <mhz> hmmm
[11:53] <mhz> so the client does boot and gets ip?
[11:54] <finch> Yes it gets ip then cant find pxelinux.0 file
[11:55] <mhz> finch: how many times you have tried to boot the client correctly?
[11:56] <finch> 5 or 6
[11:56] <mhz> hmmm
[11:57] <mhz> and have you touched /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
[11:58] <finch> it is the same on the wiki have not needed to touch it
[11:59] <mhz> okis, I had to make sure :)
[11:59] <mhz> most people complain and have not followed directions in wiki
[12:00] <mhz> is there a file /etc/plxlinux.0 ?
[12:01] <mhz> afaik, it should be #  filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[12:01] <mhz> #  option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[12:03] <finch> in /etc/ltsp/ there is
[12:04] <mhz> but why?
[12:04] <finch> I dont know
[12:05] <finch> There is no /ltsp folder off root
[12:06] <mhz> hmmmm
[12:07] <mhz> try ltsp-build-client
[12:07] <Bluekuja> good evening mauricio
[12:07] <Bluekuja> :)