[12:04] <marseillai> Riddell: yann tiersen! not tierson! ;)
[12:07] <Riddell> uh oh, is that a grave insult to france to anglisise his name?
[12:08] <Riddell> seaLne: typo ^^
[12:21] <marseillai> not at all Riddell ! ;) just for your information ... :)
[12:22] <Riddell> marseillai: but he is a french hero!  and I just turned his name into a common rostbeef
[12:22] <marseillai> french hero ................... not really! but i didn't know he turn his name
[12:36] <raphink> whois zerlinna
[12:37] <raphink> oops
[12:37] <kwwii> makes you feel pretty stupid, or?
[12:37] <kwwii> haha
[12:37] <kwwii> no worse than that
[12:37] <raphink> kwwii: lol
[12:37] <raphink> well I do that to check if people are online
[12:37] <raphink> ;)
[12:37] <raphink> and it seems zerlinna is not 
[12:38] <kwwii> oh, then it is not so bad
[12:38] <raphink> I guess
[12:38] <raphink> how is the artwork going kwwii?
[12:38] <kwwii> well, I am still making lots of little buttons for window deco :-(
[12:39] <kwwii> not exactly a fun job
[12:39] <raphink> I guess
[01:55] <kwwii> night all
[01:56] <kwwii> these buttons are killing me :-)
[01:56] <kwwii> see you
[05:17] <robotgeek> hah, i filed a bug on konqueror!
[05:17] <robotgeek> #39388 is mine
[05:18] <freeflying> malone #39388
[05:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39388 in kdebase konqueror "Weird behaviour with typing colons in konqueror location bar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39388
[05:18] <robotgeek> freeflying: i seem to be getting exotic bugs :)
[05:18] <robotgeek> i had one with xrdb too :)
[05:19] <freeflying> heh
[05:19] <robotgeek> i think once dapper releases, i will clean format my box :)
[05:23] <freeflying> robotgeek: really need ?
[05:24] <robotgeek> freeflying: maybe not, was thinking about it
[05:26] <robotgeek> freeflying: can you reproduce that?
[05:26] <freeflying> robotgeek: haven't yet
[05:26] <robotgeek> kk
[05:58] <robotgeek> wth, why is konqueror behaving badly with me. boo hoo, not loading tabs in background at all
[06:22] <robotgeek> freeflying: is konq loading tabs in background for you? it has suddenly stopped working for me
[06:23] <freeflying> robotgeek: it works fine for me , hehe 
[06:23] <robotgeek> looks like i gotta get rid of konqueror settings somewhere
[06:25] <freeflying> robotgeek: use k-d-s
[06:26] <robotgeek> freeflying: how? just install it?
[06:27] <freeflying> robotgeek: delete some files in ~/.kde/share/config
[06:28] <robotgeek> freeflying: okay, will do thanks
[06:30] <robotgeek> freeflying: happens on on lp
[06:30] <robotgeek> only on launchpad
[06:31] <freeflying> robotgeek: heh 
[07:00] <freeflying> Hobbsee: have you tried kpowersave ?
[07:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes, not the absolute latest version that came out today though
[07:01] <freeflying> Hobbsee: can you use suspend to disk ?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> ah...
[07:01] <Hobbsee> i used to be able to, not srue with this new kernel...
[07:01] <Hobbsee> let me go try...
[07:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: no, it didtn work
[07:05] <Hobbsee> froze about 5 seconds after hitting the option suspend to disk
[07:05] <Hobbsee> hi Lure 
[07:05] <Hobbsee> freeflying: kpowersave seemed to work fine with the old kernel ,but not this one
[07:06] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I can suspend , but can not re-active 
[07:06] <freeflying> Lure: hi
[07:06] <Hobbsee> i'm wondering what changed - seeing as it used to all work perfectly...
[07:07] <freeflying> Lure: will you send the po file of kpowersave to LP 
[07:08] <Lure> freeflying: not sure how this is done - I am currently waiting to get UVFe
[07:08] <Lure> Hobbsee: what is the problem? I have seen others ha ving problems too (I have garbled screen on resume)
[07:09] <freeflying> Lure: the translation of chinese is too poor
[07:09] <freeflying> Lure: how to re0active after suspend-to-disk
[07:09] <Hobbsee> Lure: screen freezes about 5 seconds after using the menu option "suspend to disk" - you catn get to a virtual terminal, etc - only way out is to hit the power button
[07:09] <Lure> freeflying: do we need to do something special for Rosetta (never did that) - can you change the source packages?
[07:10] <freeflying> Lure: it's in universe now ?
[07:10] <Lure> freeflying: not yet (only old one) - it is in kubuntu.no-ip.org repo (Tonio's)
[07:11] <Lure> I can change it this evening if you tell me how
[07:11] <freeflying> Lure: then what changes do you wanna in source package ?
[07:12] <Lure> freeflying: Rosetta changes (whatever is needed to get .po files to LP)
[07:12] <Lure> Hobbsee: I would say this is kernel issue - best to go to exit X (kdm stop) and try /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh and then report bug
[07:13] <Hobbsee> right, ok
[07:13] <freeflying> Lure: I don't know
[07:14] <Lure> freeflying: ok, will ask Riddell/Tonio later...
[07:14] <freeflying> Lure: okey, I'd re-translate it for chinese 
[07:52] <dholbach> HEY - Happy Hug Day! :)
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hi again dholbach 
[07:53] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee :)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:55] <robotgeek> i filed 2 bugs today. :)
[07:55] <dholbach> what about closing some? triaging some? :-)
[07:56] <robotgeek> well, maybe after i wake up (6-8 hours later)
[07:56] <dholbach> ok... that sounds good :)
[07:56] <robotgeek> i was planning to, then i filed a bug about launchpad
[07:57] <robotgeek>  Bug #39396
[07:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39396 in launchpad "javascript focuses new tab automatically in Konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39396
[07:57] <robotgeek> i got so thrown off by that bug, i lost track of what i was doing :)
[07:58] <dholbach> hm, it works in epiphany
[07:59] <robotgeek> dholbach: it works in konq too, but lp steals focus (note the bug is filed on lp, not konq)
[07:59] <dholbach> yeah, i understood that - i just pointed out that it doesn't steal focus in epiphany :)
[08:00] <robotgeek> i tested in firefox also :)
[10:37] <mvo> Riddell: debtags and libapt-front-dev have a file overwrite conflict on libapt-front.la
[11:24] <verwilst> anybody here using XFS with quota support enabled?
[11:51] <jpatrick> hola kmon
[11:57] <kmon> jpatrick: Hola
[11:58] <kmon> de vacaciones supongo
[11:58] <kmon> :)
[11:59] <jpatrick> si :)
[11:59] <kmon> deberas aadir tu blog al planet.ubuntu.com necesitamos ms bloggers de kubuntu 
[12:00] <Riddell> mvo: ok, I will take a look at that
[12:00] <Riddell> hey, no languages I don't understand
[12:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: :)
[12:01] <kmon> Riddell: you should have learned spanish in akademy :)
[12:01] <mvo> Riddell: I subscribed enrico for it, I suspsect it's just a oversight, but I don't want to meddle with his package (without asking first)
[12:02] <kmon> any news on the kubuntu.de "thing"?
[12:03] <jpatrick> kmon: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-April/004871.html
[12:04] <kmon> jpatrick: I've already read that, but thanks
[12:09] <Riddell> mvo: no, it's my fault
[12:17] <Riddell> MidMark: lets poke _Sime and sebas who make that guidance tool
[12:17] <Riddell> 11:12 < MidMark> kde-bug: I have created a new user (I have kubuntu) with kde: users and groups and clicked ok, then I have clicked again to
[12:17] <Riddell>                  my new user, go to password, and set a new password, then I clicked to my existing user (another one) and the tool remember
[12:17] <Riddell>                  that I was in password changing part AND ALSO remember the password that I have typed in the previuos user, so I think I
[12:17] <Riddell>                  have clicked OK (instead of Cancel) and the program changed
[12:21] <MidMark> riddell: what I have to do? Sorry I haven't uderstood
[12:25] <Riddell> MidMark: wait for _Sime or sebas to show up :)
[12:27] <MidMark> Riddell: now I have asked a new password for my account in launchpad, wait for it, after it I can fill a bug, unfornatelly I have to go out for 3 hours, but when I come back I can fill the bug if of course I have received a new password for my account
[01:03] <jdong|school> I'd like to ask again if build-deps for kaffeine can be relaxed
[01:05] <Riddell> jdong|school: what and why?
[01:05] <jdong|school> Riddell: libxine down to Breezy compatible levels... the breezy-backports kaffeine is vulnerable to that overflow
[01:05] <Riddell> kaffeine will be in breezy-security
[01:05] <Riddell> or certainly should be
[01:06] <Riddell> is backports up and running again?
[01:06] <jdong|school> Riddell, yes, but unless you bump up the version a bit more it won't supercede breezy-backports
[01:06] <jdong|school> it's been running
[01:06] <Riddell> didn't know that
[01:06] <Riddell> well sure, send me a debdiff
[01:06] <jdong|school> alright, I'll work on that later today
[01:06] <Riddell> thanks
[01:06] <jdong|school> thanks
[01:06] <Riddell> :)
[01:15] <freeflying> Riddell: did u get skim work ?
[01:16] <Riddell> freeflying: nope :(
[01:17] <freeflying> Riddell:  It's can work just out of the box , but can ot for you  :)
[01:19] <superstoned_> riddell: congrats, nice interview on behindubuntu.org ;-)
[01:20] <superstoned_> like the picture, you look really geeky :D
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:20] <Riddell> I do?
[01:21] <Riddell> that was taken about 5 years ago too
[01:21] <Tm_T> :p
[01:23] <Riddell> I wonder why fridge isn't allowing comments on the behindubuntu story
[01:24] <Hobbsee> poor janeW - she must feel so alienated in the room of guys :P
[01:24] <Hobbsee> at least she's easy to find
[01:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: one of the pictures...
[01:25] <Tm_T> and hi to all =)
[01:25] <seaLne> not sure how the using-ubuntuforums-for-comments system works if its automated or they do it manaully
[01:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: ah, ok :)
[01:26] <seaLne> as someone pointed out on the dot avoid Riddell if he is next to a deep fat frier :)
[01:27] <Riddell> or I might deep fry my friends :)
[01:27] <superstoned_> lol
[01:27] <superstoned_> haha
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:27] <superstoned_> are u that dangerous, riddell? well, then, lucky me they had no deep frier on FOSDEM :D
[01:31] <Riddell> I seem to remember JaneW spent most of her time at that conference watching shock Channel 4 docuementaries
[01:31] <Tm_T> :p
[01:31] <dholbach> hahahahaha
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[01:32] <dholbach> it's the HUG DAY!
[01:32] <Tm_T> glad noones hugging me
[01:32] <Tm_T> could frek me out
[01:32] <dholbach> now get bug triaging, guys!
[01:32] <Tm_T> freak even
[01:32] <Hobbsee> it's only thursday for another 2 and a half hours!
[01:33] <Tm_T> =)
[01:33] <jpatrick> dholbach: doing that :)
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> goodmorning folks
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> or afternoon
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> or evening
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> anyhow I have an idea
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> it's about the fonts
[01:34] <jeroenvrp> not how they look, but the amount of them
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> I've never installed extra fonts bymeself, but my fontlist has 240 entries and that is to much
[01:35] <jeroenvrp> a normal user only needs a few, max maybe 50
[01:36] <jeroenvrp> my idea is to have a much shorter list in the default dapper install
[01:38] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: mostly they're there to support a lot of different languages
[01:38] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: but look at the seeds (KubuntuFiles) and let me know if there's any not needed that can be removed
[01:38] <jeroenvrp> hi Riddell , yes but they are not needed
[01:38] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: thats what I'm going to do
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> a lot off apps, think that are ok, to install tens and tens off fonts, but the user only needs 1 or 2
[01:43] <Tm_T> noooo
[02:06] <verwilst> Riddell: can't those fonts be installed when a certain language/region has been chosen?
[02:06] <verwilst> Riddell: i'm getting punjabi fonts and whatnot
[02:07] <Riddell> verwilst: poke mvo 
[02:07] <Riddell> he was at the i18n sprint
[02:08] <verwilst> Riddell: have you seen polyester?
[02:08] <verwilst> looks nice
[02:09] <Riddell> it rings a bell
[02:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seth packaged it into the repos a while ago...
[02:09] <Hobbsee> you promised him a pony for it :P
[02:09] <superstoned_> yeah, its a cool style
[02:10] <superstoned_> i use it for some time now
[02:10] <superstoned_> it can look like plastik, and lipstik - but also has a 'glassy' look
[02:10] <superstoned_> really nice imho
[02:10] <doelman> yo jos
[02:10] <superstoned_> ej doelman :D
[02:10] <doelman> :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> superstoned_: got a screenie of the "glassy" look on you?
[02:10] <doelman> yeah polyester is cool
[02:10] <jpatrick> wow 56 nicks
[02:10] <superstoned_> ehm gimme a sec
[02:10] <verwilst> Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/36018-1.png
[02:10] <verwilst> :)
[02:11] <doelman> http://www.doelman.info/linux/snap.png
[02:11] <jpatrick> oh shiny.....
[02:11] <Hobbsee> very nice and shiny!
[02:12] <doelman> which
[02:12] <Hobbsee> both!
[02:12] <Hobbsee> which themes are they?
[02:12] <doelman> mine are polyester
[02:12] <verwilst> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/32986-1.png
[02:12] <Hobbsee> i loke yours the best doelman 
[02:12] <verwilst> same here :p
[02:12] <doelman> and the windeco is dekorator with the tango theme
[02:12] <doelman> thnx Hobbsee
[02:13] <verwilst> polyester is idd very nice
[02:13] <Hobbsee> verwilst: ack.  they've swapped the buttons around.  i'd go nuts with that!
[02:13] <doelman> and smooth
[02:13] <verwilst> maybe nice default look for kubuntu dappe r;)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> that's one of the few things i liked when i tried out gnome recently...
[02:13] <verwilst> Hobbsee: where?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> verwilst: +25
[02:13] <doelman> what do you mean hobbsee
[02:13] <doelman> aah
[02:13] <doelman> that buttons
[02:13] <Hobbsee> verwilst: top right hand corners of each window
[02:13] <verwilst> which ones??
[02:14] <verwilst> the gold or green?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> green
[02:14] <Hobbsee> sorry, your later one - didnt realise you'd sent both...
[02:14] <verwilst> ah hehe
[02:15] <verwilst> could we get polyester in dapper? ;)
[02:15] <jpatrick> it is in dapper
[02:15] <verwilst> ooooh
[02:15] <verwilst> sweet
[02:15] <doelman> oooh
[02:15] <verwilst> s
[02:16] <doelman> verwilst, are you dutch
[02:16] <verwilst> belgian ;)
[02:16] <doelman> ok cool
[02:17] <superstoned_> http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aap2bk.png
[02:17] <superstoned_> finally
[02:17] <superstoned_> been fighting my home ftp site
[02:17] <doelman> what is the "kubuntu-desktop" packag
[02:17] <superstoned_> sucks
[02:18] <doelman> nice one superstoned_
[02:18] <doelman> this morning a update removes the kubuntu-desktop package
[02:18] <Hobbsee> ooh nice :P
[02:19] <superstoned_> hmmm yeah. verwilst, hobbsee: i'd love to see polyester as default style in Kubuntu. i think it fits it.
[02:19] <verwilst> yip
[02:19] <verwilst> same here
[02:19] <superstoned_> how's the windowdecoration going on?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> so all we need is tonio...
[02:19] <superstoned_> thought there would be a patch to make crystal look less vista-like?
[02:20] <superstoned_> (probably make it look a bit more like the windec's in doelman's and mine screenshots)
[02:21] <doelman> i like this windeco: http://doelman.info/linux/kubuntu_17-02-06.png
[02:22] <superstoned_> this one is cool, too: http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aap3al.png
[02:22] <verwilst> let's get him boys
[02:22] <verwilst> ;)
[02:22] <superstoned_> doelman that's crystal
[02:22] <doelman> yes
[02:22] <superstoned_> 2 problems: transparancy is fake, and slow, and the buttons are copies of Vista's buttons
[02:22] <verwilst> would be cool to have a karamba thingy there by default too ;)
[02:22] <doelman> superstoned_ what is drools in dutch
[02:22] <superstoned_> not just 'look like' but exact copys...
[02:22] <superstoned_> haha
[02:22] <superstoned_> kwijlen, doelman...
[02:23] <superstoned_> kwijlen :D
[02:23] <doelman> lol
[02:23] <superstoned_> lol
[02:23] <doelman> ok :D
[02:23] <verwilst> superstoned_: it's too blueish
[02:23] <superstoned_> btw in the screenshot doelman showed off, i miss rounded corners ;-) (i LOVE everything smooth and rounded, been bugging many many style and windec authors about that)
[02:24] <doelman> but it's old
[02:24] <doelman> an old host
[02:24] <doelman> shot
[02:24] <superstoned_> verwilst: thought u're gonna say that :D yeah, its my personal taste. anyway, i'd love to see a windec blending with the background.
[02:25] <verwilst> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/27968-1.jpg
[02:25] <superstoned_> maybe 'we' (=kubuntu) can do something with the color pallette used in the new ubuntu (orange-ish)... would make gnome and KDE look a bit more the same
[02:25] <verwilst> this is nice and clean?
[02:26] <verwilst> yip
[02:26] <doelman> i don't like that windeco
[02:26] <doelman> the style is cool
[02:26] <superstoned_> well, polyester has a nice windeco, but it doesn't blend at all ;-)
[02:26] <verwilst> superstoned_: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/36018-1.png :D
[02:26] <verwilst> ;)
[02:26] <superstoned_> a bar on top and on bottom of the window...
[02:26] <doelman> weird fonts
[02:26] <superstoned_> yeah, that's suse's windeco
[02:26] <doelman> and the plastik windeco, blah
[02:27] <superstoned_> but brownish/orange
[02:27] <superstoned_> not bad
[02:27] <verwilst> it's the color eh
[02:27] <verwilst> not the windeco
[02:27] <verwilst> that counts ;)
[02:27] <doelman> ok ok
[02:27] <verwilst> looks warm and inviting /me thinks :)
[02:27] <superstoned_> yeah, well, i like it. it's very strong, but not bad at all
[02:27] <superstoned_> indeed
[02:27] <verwilst> and it's in line with gnome ;)
[02:27] <superstoned_> actually i could stand the look i think :D
[02:28] <verwilst> the background is nice too
[02:28] <superstoned_> indeed, it is
[02:28] <verwilst> now only a kubuntu logo instead of kde
[02:28] <verwilst> and it's a-ok ;)
[02:28] <superstoned_> but we'll have to convince many ppl, including riddell...
[02:28] <verwilst> let's promise him some beer
[02:28] <superstoned_> haha
[02:28] <doelman> i like this xfce-windeco: http://doelman.info/linux/xfce-shot.png
[02:28] <superstoned_> would work, yes
[02:28] <verwilst> or whisky
[02:28] <verwilst> :p
[02:29] <doelman> very old
[02:29] <superstoned_> na, i don't, its too much 'there'. a bit less pronounced please
[02:29] <Hobbsee> verwilst: +1
[02:30] <superstoned_> i think we could go on working with this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/36018-1.png
[02:30] <superstoned_> its a modern, but warm style.
[02:30] <doelman> no
[02:30] <doelman> i don't like the colors
[02:30] <superstoned_> and indeed, maybe think about other icons?!?
[02:30] <verwilst> nuvola is cool
[02:30] <Hobbsee> superstoned_: it's a rather icky orange...
[02:30] <verwilst> it's gold
[02:30] <doelman> and the taskbar font is terrible
[02:30] <superstoned_> it is, but does it fit orange/gold/brown?
[02:31] <verwilst> we're _not_ talking about the fonts ;)
[02:31] <verwilst> nor the suse windeco
[02:31] <superstoned_> hobbsee: yeah, its orange/gold/brown, but that fits gnome/ubuntu-dapper look
[02:31] <Hobbsee> true
[02:31] <Hobbsee> i liked the more burnt orange look
[02:31] <verwilst> frankly i think blue/gray has had its days long enough now for kubuntu :p
[02:31] <Hobbsee> but orange/gold is a hard colour scheme to make everyone happy with
[02:31] <Hobbsee> verwilst: +25!
[02:32] <superstoned_> tough, verwilst, i think with this windeco, and most style settings, and a bit less pronounced colors - it would work...
[02:32] <superstoned_> yeah, hobbsee, i agree
[02:32] <verwilst> yep
[02:32] <superstoned_> i'd say - verwilst, look at ubuntu.org's screenshots, use the color picker, and see if you can come up with something :D
[02:33] <verwilst> hehe idd
[02:35] <superstoned_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight6#head-e57be60d8115b73af9704b1db0d18723d81554ae for screenshots (and colors) from ubuntu flight ???
[02:35] <superstoned_> at least its dapper, i think
[02:35] <Riddell> artwork direction for dapper is kde crystal colours, post dapper we can look at different stuff
[02:36] <superstoned_> aaah, so it's more or less 'done'?
[02:37] <superstoned_> no matching http://www.ubuntu.com/include/testing/flight6/espresso-installing.png
[02:37] <superstoned_> :D
[02:37] <superstoned_> (gnome is goin' crystal/glass, too, so i guess polyester would make a good default for Kubuntu)
[02:38] <Riddell> kwwii is still working on the window decorations
[02:40] <superstoned_> yeah, i know, i saw his mockup - really cool. tough i like the look in the gnome espresso screenshot, would be cool to match it (tough blueish)
[02:41] <verwilst> me gets depressed by all the grey/darkblue all the time
[02:41] <verwilst> :d
[02:41] <verwilst> damn
[02:41] <verwilst> forgot my /
[02:46] <superstoned_> :D
[02:46] <superstoned_> i don't, i like bright-blue.
[02:47] <doelman> i like dark-blue
[02:47] <doelman> themes
[02:47] <superstoned_> that's why  http://img138.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aap3al.png
[02:47] <superstoned_> haha
[02:47] <doelman> huh superstoned_ did you set a personal picture to me, in kopete?
[02:47] <doelman> or what
[02:47] <superstoned_> we won't agree :D dark-blue, whitish, bright blue and someone who HATES blue :D
[02:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:48] <superstoned_> kopete uses your msn pic, doelman
[02:48] <superstoned_> from adressbook
[02:48] <doelman> huh i don't have that pic for years
[02:48] <Hobbsee> superstoned_: yes, this is the problem with such discussions 
[02:48] <superstoned_> wel, guess you once had it, i made the adressbook link, and now its stuck
[02:48] <doelman> <i think
[02:48] <doelman> how do you group my 3 accounts?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> what the heck?  my kicker has messed up...back in a sec...
[02:48] <superstoned_> hobbsee, well, then, in that case, we should follow riddell - no changes possible.
[02:49] <Lure> Riddell: we got UVFe go for powersave/kpowersave (bug 39215 and bug 39221)
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39215 in powersave "UVF exception 0.11.2 -> 0.12.11" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39215
[02:49] <superstoned_> pfff, selecteer, rechtermuisklik ergens?!? geen idee, doelman
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39221 in kpowersave "UVF exception 0.5.2 -> 0.6.0" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39221
[02:50] <doelman> ok
[02:50] <Lure> Riddell: can you upload or should I pink raphink, Tonio_ when they are online?
[02:50] <Lure> s/pink/ping/
[02:51] <Lure> I still plan to do one patch for default settings, but that can go in ubuntu2 I suppose
[02:52] <Riddell> Lure: cool, I'm kindae busy today, poke the others first if possible
[02:52] <Lure> ok, no problem - will do in the evening
[02:53] <Riddell> I see jpatrick just uploaded something
[02:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: fixes the kbfx kcontrol bug thing
[02:53] <jpatrick> bug 38226
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38226 in kbfx "kbfx control panel crashes" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38226
[02:54] <Lure> jpatrick: can you push powersave/kpowersave into universe?
[02:54] <jpatrick> Lure: sure
[02:54] <Lure> they are on kubuntu.no-ip.com
[02:54] <Tm_T_> ...and then it happened
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Lure: are people still having trouble with the latest version though?  or is that unrelated?
[02:55] <MidMark> Riddell: now I've a new password for launchpad, can I fill a bug report about kde user's password handling?
[02:55] <doelman> why does cntr+c not work in konversation
[02:56] <superstoned_> doelman: works for me
[02:56] <superstoned_> (as copy)
[02:56] <doelman> for me never
[02:56] <Riddell> MidMark: sure, please do, it's the kde-guidance package you want
[02:56] <Lure> Hobbsee: I will investigate this a bit further this evening - are you concerned that we have many old powersave users that will be auto-updated?
[02:56] <jpatrick> Lure: The requested URL /kubuntu/ was not found on this server.
[02:56] <MidMark> riddell: ok!
[02:56] <Lure> jpatrick: add the deb-src line and apt-get source -d
[02:56] <Lure> see http://kubuntu.no-ip.org
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Lure: concerned that if tonio's version of kpowersave goes into universe, and there are other people like myself who happen to get a grub error 15 from it...well...that's pretty serious...
[02:57] <MidMark> Riddell: lauchpad said: "Guidance does not use Malone as its bug tracker. To report a bug about Guidance, please use its official bug tracker."
[02:58] <MidMark> riddell: sorry I should choose kde-guidance for dapper
[02:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: true, but I think most powersave users anyway have Tonio's repo and nod old version from universe
[02:58] <Hobbsee> that is true
[02:58] <jpatrick> Lure: I have problems with that server: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.no-ip.org/kubuntu/dists/dapper/main/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[02:58] <Lure> but we can wait if you are too concerned
[02:59] <Lure> jpatrick: strange - let's wait until the evening and I will look into grub code first
[02:59] <jpatrick> ok
[03:00] <Lure> I would like to understand it 100% in terms what does it do (I understand only kernel check now)
[03:06] <MidMark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/39444
[03:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[03:07] <Riddell> _Sime, sebas: ^^
[03:18] <MidMark> Riddell: there are also different parts in kubuntu that aren't translated into italian, should I fill also bugs for them?
[03:19] <sebas> Riddell: Looking into it now.
[03:20] <Riddell> MidMark: depends if they're not translated because there's no translations or if there's actually a problem with the translations working
[03:20] <Riddell> ooh, anti aliased fonts work again on the live CD, I wonder what the heck went on there
[03:22] <Riddell> on the other hand it does suddenly think the live fs is a filesystem that should appear on the desktop
[03:25] <MidMark> Riddell: adpet isn't translated into italian, but there are some parts in kde (kde-guidance also) that are partially translated
[03:28] <Riddell> MidMark: for guidance you would need system settings to be translated too
[03:31] <MidMark> riddell: there is a plan to translate it? Can I partecipate to italian translators?
[03:32] <Riddell> sure, templates are here http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/
[03:32] <freeflying> anyone is familiar with Non-linear editor
[03:33] <Riddell> MidMark: actually there's already a translation, so maybe I just need to make a new upload of system settings http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/it/messages/playground-base/
[03:36] <sebas> Riddell: Fixed in svn.
[03:40] <Riddell> sebas: you rock 
[03:40] <Riddell> MidMark: doesn't sebas just rock?
[03:41] <jjesse> is guidance enabled by default now? just want to make sure release notes are valid :)
[03:41] <MidMark> riddell: sebas rocks, less than one hour to fix the bug :)
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: of course, always has been
[03:41] <sebas> MidMark: 10 minutes. :)
[03:41] <jjesse> oh ok
[03:42] <MidMark> sebas: that is less than one hour :-D good work!
[03:42] <Riddell> most of the time was MidMark finding has password to launchpad
[03:44] <MidMark> Riddell: launchpad hasn't a password for me, that is different, now that I have a new one I can continue to fill bugs... muah ah ah ah :)
[03:45] <Riddell> MidMark: remember, you can also trige bugs too :) especially today which is bug day
[03:47] <MidMark> bug day? WOW! trige? what is this?
[03:47] <sebas> BUG: Serviceconfig's Apply button doesn't work. It should actually be Close
[03:48] <Riddell> bug day!  join #ubuntu-bugs to find out how to help.
[03:48] <sebas>   (Malone #38582)
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38582 in kde-guidance "Apply button doesn't work (is disabled all the time) in Services applet" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38582
[03:48] <sebas> is fixed as well.
[03:48] <Riddell> triage means sorting through and confirming/marking as duplicates/making sure they are assigned to the right package
[03:48] <Riddell> MidMark: there you go, that can be your first bug to triage
[03:57] <MidMark> riddell: understood
[04:04] <superstoned_> sebas you Rock :D
[04:15] <MidMark> ubuntu-bugs is also for kubuntu only related bugs?
[04:21] <Riddell> MidMark: #ubuntu-bugs will have people who can tell you where you can help best with bug day, KDE specific issues you might be best off asking here
[04:24] <MidMark> riddell: when I have installed kubuntu flight 6 3 days ago I have noticed that I have choosen italian language, but packages like: kde-it, openoffice-it, k3b-i18n aren't installed by defualt, and the default language was english, I think this is a bug, don't know if it is kubuntu related, and/or just fixed
[04:25] <Riddell> MidMark: it should install language-pack-kde-it and langauge-support-it
[04:26] <MidMark> the system was all in english after the installation
[04:26] <Riddell> was language-pack-kde-it installed?
[04:27] <MidMark> riddell: i cannot remember, I think not because to have kde into italian I have installed another package
[04:28] <MidMark> also I have installed language for openoffice and for k3b, that weren't installed
[04:30] <Riddell> MidMark: did you have internet at the time?
[04:30] <MidMark> yes
[04:30] <Riddell> hmm, it should have downloaded the packages
[04:31] <MidMark> yes it downloads something, but don't know waht... it say: 1 of xxx, 2 of xxx etc
[04:31] <verwilst> seems like it was downloading pr0n ;)
[04:31] <MidMark> :D
[05:03] <jjesse> Riddell: do you see the converstation going on #ubuntu-devel about teh default editor for ubuntu, can we change the default editor for kubuntu as well to nano please ??
[05:04] <Riddell> jjesse: I'd love that, I've no idea why it's suddently vim
[05:05] <jjesse> Riddell: if the default editor for ubuntu changes will it change in kubuntu?
[05:05] <jjesse> it's at bug #39469
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39469 in vim "Nano is not the default editor, and should be" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39469
[05:05] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[05:11] <sebas> Riddell: http://dot.kde.org/1144788552/ What exactly does it have to do with "summer"? 
[05:12] <jpatrick> :)
[05:17] <Tm_T> oh my
[05:18] <MidMark> so I have to report also the language pack bug?
[05:18] <Riddell> /usr/bin/vim - priority 120   eek
[05:19] <Flosoft> hey
[05:19] <Riddell> MidMark: you can report it on debian-installer if you want, but I think it won't be much use without more information (like confirming if language-pack-kde was installed and what was downloaded)
[05:19] <Flosoft> does anyone experience the problem that K3B doesn't start?
[05:20] <MidMark> Riddell: is there a log of installation? I can see it if exist
[05:20] <Tm_T> ...I was reading ML
[05:22] <Riddell> MidMark: /var/log/installer  might have something
[05:22] <sebas> !off
[05:22] <Riddell> Flosoft: works for me
[05:23] <Flosoft> hmm
[05:23] <Flosoft> it is really weird
[05:23] <Riddell> Tm_T: canonical is a company, kubuntu is a distro
[05:23] <apokryphos> Tm_T: same with ubuntu, more or less, but they concentrate on it less, needless to say.
[05:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: that's not what I meant :)
[05:24] <Tm_T> apokryphos: I think it as sponsor too
[05:24] <Riddell> sebas: spelling fixed
[05:25] <jjesse> Riddell: on the wiki i would like to move the KubuntuDocs to KubuntuDocs/Dapper which will set us up for dapper+1 docs
[05:25] <jjesse> Riddell: thoughts?
[05:25] <Tm_T> "it should be more clear how the situation is: is Kubuntu a 
[05:25] <Tm_T> community project, in which Canonical has no (final) say, or is Kubuntu a 
[05:25] <Tm_T> official Canonical-sponsored project?"
[05:25] <apokryphos> what novell is to suse, and redhat is to fedora (though there'll be differences)
[05:25] <Tm_T> whops
[05:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: I was referring to that
[05:26] <Flosoft> how can I see all my installed drives?
[05:26] <Flosoft> as it is now like on a mac ... they only show up in system media if a CD is in them
[05:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: like ubuntu it is both
[05:27] <apokryphos> Tm_T: it's not really so much of an external entity, as I view it; Shuttleworth founded/runs/maintains both
[05:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, they're equal from Canonical's point of view, good
[05:28] <Tm_T> apokryphos: thanks, now I know :)
[05:28] <apokryphos> I wouldn't say that; Canonical obv. concentrates more on Ubuntu
[05:28] <Tm_T> haven't really think that before
[05:28] <Tm_T> apokryphos: ofcourse
[05:28] <Riddell> apokryphos: s/suse/opensuse/
[05:29] <apokryphos> opensuse is the project
[05:29] <Tm_T> apokryphos: because concentrating to Ubuntu is concentrating to Kubuntu too, we share so much
[05:29] <apokryphos> ...SuSE is the distro that the project produces
[05:30] <Tm_T> I thought opensuse is different from suse
[05:30] <Tm_T> like rhel vs. fedora
[05:31] <Riddell> I don't think canonical would deny that they put more resources into the ubuntu side, but all the developers also help with kubuntu as needed in their area
[05:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: yes, I haven't seen any unbalance in that
[05:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: opensuse is the project as apokryphos says, suse is the distro, then you get the suse enterprise/novell linux branding mess
[05:31] <Tm_T> Riddell: =)
[05:32] <apokryphos> I saw it as that before, but it's not strictly correct. They're quite precise about their terminology on their FAQ. Opensuse is the project, sponsored by Novell, and it produces SuSE Linux. 
[05:32] <Tm_T> ah, so suse is "open" one and then there's that enterprise :)
[05:33] <Flosoft> Riddell: Can it be that my K3B doesn't start because of an old config file?
[05:33] <MidMark> riddell: I'm seeing syslog file in installer... is it the right file?
[05:33] <Riddell> Flosoft: possible
[05:33] <Riddell> MidMark: I'm not sure I'm afraid
[05:33] <apokryphos> Tm_T: well, Novell Linux desktop is the one that's not entirely open, but they're calling that SuSE Linux enterprise now, so there's some confusion for the ordinary man there :P
[05:33] <Tm_T> Riddell: maybe to get sponsors they (in ubuntu.de) should point out projects to sponsorship, like adept etc... those are iirc "free from canonical" ;)
[05:34] <Tm_T> apokryphos: indeed
[05:34] <Tm_T> apokryphos: especially when you don't pay attetion to that ;)
[05:34] <Tm_T> like me
[05:34] <apokryphos> yeah
[05:34] <Flosoft> Riddell: that was the problem :)
[05:35] <apokryphos> Riddell: good interview btw, I enjoyed the read :P. 
[05:35] <apokryphos> though there was one thing....
[05:35] <apokryphos> Richard Dawkins? Come on now. That guy drives me cra-azy :D
[05:37] <jjesse> mmmm lunch time 
[05:37] <apokryphos> partly because of his bad Philosophy, and also partly because in a talk I saw with him he tried to blame Religion/Christianity for the Holocaust, claiming that Hitler was Christian :-O
[05:37] <MidMark> riddell: yes /var/log/installer/syslog it says: "Couldn't find any ppackages whose name or description matched language-pack-kde-it, same thing for kde-i18n-it and also for language-support-it
[05:37] <MidMark> they aren't installed
[05:37] <apokryphos> [/offtopic]  :)
[05:40] <Riddell> apokryphos: interesting, that's pretty bad if he said that
[05:41] <apokryphos> Riddell: yeah, it was after he was talking about all the "evils" that Religion causes, when someone else raised the [quite valid]  point that all the greatest acts of genocide in the twentieth century (probably one of the bloodiest centuries ever) was all by secularist/communist/socialist powers.
[05:42] <apokryphos> s/was/were/
[05:42] <Tm_T> jpatrick: atleast it wasn't "ciao tutti!" ;)
[05:43] <jpatrick> Tm_T: ;(
[05:43] <jpatrick> ;)*
[05:46] <MidMark> guys: which is the deamon in dapper that recognize plugging a network cable and immediately retrieve ip with a dhcp client?
[05:47] <Riddell> knetworkmanager
[05:51] <MidMark> riddell: knetworkmanager? I cannot find it... is it installed by default?
[05:51] <Riddell> MidMark: no, it's in universe
[05:52] <MidMark> so by default if I plug a network cable the network won't work?
[05:56] <Riddell> you'd have to tell it manually to bring up the interface
[06:13] <MidMark> riddell: the problem is, if a hot-plug my network cable and go to internet options in kde and try to bring up my network it won't work, it works only if the cable is plugged during boot
[06:19] <\sh> Riddell: ping
[06:21] <Riddell> \sh: yo
[06:22] <\sh> Riddell: kubuntu.org is down btw...
[06:23] <Riddell> yeah, thanks for poking sysadmins
[06:24] <\sh> well, i'm 3/4 dead, but the 1/4 which is left in me, is quite good in doing some host checks ;)
[06:30] <\sh> ok...back to my hole where I came from...
[06:30] <Riddell> oh dear
[06:30] <Tm_T> :)
[06:31] <jpatrick> Tm_T: evil
[06:31] <Tm_T> I am ] ;=
[07:42] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[07:42] <Tonio_> anyone already tried to use kooka ?
[07:42] <Tonio_> seems it needs sane to be able to scan....
[07:43] <jpatrick> Tonio_: yep
[07:43] <Tonio_> jpatrick: any reason sane isn't in main and not installed as a dep ?
[07:44] <jpatrick> Not that I know of
[07:44] <Tonio_> jpatrick: should be nice to have it installed by default don't you think ?
[07:44] <Tonio_> standard users will not find that info easilly
[07:44] <Riddell> it's in universe
[07:45] <Riddell> and probably nobody uses scanning so nobody can test if it works
[07:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I've tested it
[07:45] <Riddell> jpatrick: write a main inclusion report then :)
[07:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did too, and that works nicelly
[07:45] <jpatrick> very nicely
[07:45] <Tonio_> yup
[07:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for k-d-s, didn't found time to do it yesterday, will do it now
[07:46] <Tonio_> jpatrick: do you make main inclusion report or do you want me to do it ?
[07:47] <jpatrick> I'll do it, you do your work
[07:50] <Tonio_> jpatrick: nice ;)
[07:50] <Tonio_> jpatrick: fui, wengophone went to universe today ;)
[07:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: we now ave a qt softphone solution for dapper ;)
[07:50] <jpatrick> yeah and kmediafactory
[07:50] <robotgeek> Tonio_: nice, even for ppc ?
[07:50] <Tonio_> robotgeek: need to check launchpad, wait a minute
[07:50] <jpatrick> even if it ftbfs at the moment
[07:55] <Tonio_> robotgeek: we need to wait, it isn't in universe yet, but has been accepted
[07:55] <Tonio_> maybe tomorrow
[07:56] <robotgeek> Tonio_: heh, i waited for 4 months, a few more days won't hurt :)
[07:56] <Tonio_> robotgeek: hehe
[07:57] <jpatrick> Right... https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportSane
[07:58] <Riddell> "Standard debhelper/cdbs/dbs packaging"  which is it?
[07:58] <Riddell> where's the upstream bug tracker?
[07:59] <jpatrick> opps
[07:59] <Riddell> link to debian bugs
[08:00] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I would be a bit more explicit on the importance of that, saying that the default kubuntu scanning program requires it to be able to simply work ;)
[08:00] <Tm_T> sredna: whoo
[08:01] <Tm_T> hmm, I wonder...
[08:01] <sredna> Tm_T: ?
[08:02] <sredna> ?
[08:02] <Tm_T> sredna: can't remember you from any KDE project, where you have your little fingers?
[08:02] <sredna> Tm_T: Kate, mainly
[08:02] <Tm_T> ah!
[08:02] <Tm_T> now I remember
[08:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the antialiased fonts, any news on that point ? cause I have a way to correct this with k-d-s eventually
[08:02] <Tm_T> sredna: needless to say that Kate is one of killer apps in my desktop ;)
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is possible to recreate .fonts folder on profile creation, the same way we do it for gtk-qt
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I don't think that's a good way to do for this
[08:05] <Lure> jpatrick: I have checked the boot issue of powersave - I cannot see how it could cause problems reported by Hobbsee
[08:06] <Lure> jpatrick: therefore if you can upload to universe it would be great ;-)
[08:06] <Tm_T> sredna: anyway, glad to see you here ;)
[08:06] <sredna> Tm_T: I'm trying to learn to crate sane debian/ubuntu packages
[08:07] <sredna> Tm_T: I'm actually going to upload something to REVO 
[08:07] <Tm_T> REVU ;)
[08:07] <Tm_T> sredna: and good, so am I, learning packages
[08:07] <sredna> REVU
[08:07] <sredna> Sorry
[08:07] <Tm_T> no harm done
[08:08] <Tm_T> or, well, maybe I should be very insulted
[08:08] <sredna> Na, I just try to get it into my fingers correctly spelled...
[08:08] <Lure> jpatrick: can you get the source now from kubuntu.no-ip.org (I tried and it work for me)
[08:08] <Tm_T> =)
[08:08] <Tonio_> guys do you have the "find files" option in "tools" menu of konq ?
[08:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: they're magically fixed
[08:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: gosh.......
[08:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just checked it on a live CD today
[08:09] <Tonio_> no changelog entry.......
[08:09] <Riddell> fixed as mysteriously as it was broken
[08:09] <jpatrick> Lure: no, third-party apt repos don't work for me
[08:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: good news ;) and about the find files option ?
[08:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't have it no
[08:09] <Tonio_> cause I actually have it activated here........ don't you ?
[08:10] <Tonio_> other people ?
[08:10] <Riddell> let me check on live CD
[08:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok
[08:10] <Tonio_> I will test on a virgin profile
[08:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah ok, it is there on live CD (virgin profile as you say)
[08:11] <Riddell> sorry for sending you off on that
[08:11] <Tonio_> blanked profile ? dunno is "virgin" is correct in english ;)
[08:11] <Tonio_> we in france say "un profil vierge", so maybe....
[08:11] <Riddell> yes, works fine
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb
[08:11] <Riddell> although slight sexual connotations
[08:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the problem.... no sexual connotation in french ;)
[08:12] <Riddell> well, kubuntu is pretty sexy, so it all works :)
[08:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ;)
[08:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need to had more kubuntu girls on the website for dapper release
[08:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: my girlfriend is in love with kubuntu, she doesn't want to ear about windows anymore, thanks for that :)
[08:13] <Tonio_> hey raphinou :)
[08:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: we had a girl last time, we should have a boy this tie
[08:14] <Riddell> time
[08:17] <Tonio_> raphink: wengophone accepted :)
[08:17] <raphink> Tonio_: great :)
[08:17] <Tonio_> raphink: that wasn't complicated with the quality of the debian package, very nice ;)
[08:18] <raphink> indeed
[08:18] <Tonio_> raphink: using yakuake ? I have a very nasty little bug with it
[08:18] <raphink> nope
[08:18] <raphink> I use konsole only
[08:18] <Tonio_> will try to upgrade the package, and maybe ask for uvfe
[08:19] <raphink> ok
[08:20] <raphink> Tonio_: what apps do we have to edit movies ?
[08:20] <raphink> kfilm seems interesting but it won't build in dapper
[08:21] <Tonio_> raphink: I don't think there are great kde softwares on that point at the moment
[08:21] <Tonio_> kino is the best I know, but that's gtk
[08:21] <raphink> Tonio_: well kfilm and kdenlive seem interesting, but we don't any 
[08:22] <Tonio_> raphink: the problem with those tools is that most components they depend are in multiverse.......
[08:22] <raphink> yes
[08:25] <jpatrick> robotgeek: ready for upload
[08:26] <sredna> jpatrick: What is it today?
[08:27] <jpatrick> pardon?
[08:27] <sredna> Which package? (if any)
[08:28] <jpatrick> I was talking about the heart icon
[08:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: Lure's packages are uploaded
[08:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: which was that?
[08:29] <jpatrick> (k)powersave
[08:29] <robotgeek> Tonio_: not able to get source.changes file, permission denied
[08:29] <Tonio_> robotgeek: on what ? wengo ?
[08:29] <robotgeek> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2271 
[08:29] <robotgeek> Tonio_: i don't need that to build, do i?
[08:30] <Tonio_> robotgeek: nope
[08:30] <Tonio_> .diff.gz, dsc and orig are enought
[08:32] <robotgeek> Tonio_: ty, build sequence commenced 
[08:35] <Tonio_> robotgeek: let me know :)
[08:36] <robotgeek> your ppc test base 
[08:44] <Riddell> ah, kpowersave in
[08:44] <Lure> Riddell:?
[08:45] <Riddell> just saw it on dapper-changes
[08:46] <Lure> true - jpatrick thanks!
[08:46] <jpatrick> Lure: my job :)
[08:49] <jpatrick> you seem to have a memory leak somewhere
[09:11] <robotgeek> hmm, Tonio left. 
[10:01] <jdong> Riddell: for kaffeine, all I need is for the version constraint to be taken off libxine-dev in debian/control. It builds fine after that.
[10:02] <Riddell> jdong: ok, I'll do that now
[10:02] <jdong> thanks very much
[10:28] <Riddell> cool, that was gael duval :)
[10:29] <sebas> Who's that?
[10:30] <crimsun> founder of Mandrake
[10:30] <sebas> Ah, google reveals.
[10:30] <sebas> thx anyway, crimsun 
[10:37] <Tonio_> re
[10:39] <marseillai> Riddell: do you have contacts with him ?
[10:39] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[10:39] <marseillai> lu Tonio_ 
[10:39] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: any news concerning vpn components for network-manager ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> should be nice to have them at least in universe
[10:40] <Lure> not really 
[10:40] <Tonio_> Lure: are there plans to get them in ?
[10:41] <Lure> I just heard that they might require some uncompatible changes in n-m
[10:41] <Lure> (resolv.conf related)
[10:41] <Tonio_> Lure: not sure since it works with knetworkmanager......
[10:41] <Lure> Tonio_: you would need to check with Keybuk, but I doubt it will happen w/o community effort
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: I will ping him
[10:42] <Lure> Tonio_: you tested only one, I think there are three of them
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: no reason it doesn't work with nm-applet if knetworkmanager works
[10:42] <Tonio_> ho Lure, since you're there :)
[10:42] <Tonio_> Lure: there is a little graphical bug in knetworkmanager
[10:42] <Tonio_> did you notice it ?
[10:42] <Lure> it may be that one of these three has problem with n-m
[10:43] <Lure> yes, two separators?
[10:43] <Tonio_> yes
[10:43] <Lure> this is due to VPN missing - I have already checked the code... ;-)
[10:43] <Tonio_> in fact the "vpn" is displayed between the two separators
[10:43] <Tonio_> but if you don't have vpn modules, that causes a little bug
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: do you think it is possible to patch to have only one separator and the second diosplayed only if vpn components are there ?
[10:44] <Tonio_> Lure: I assume that might not be so hard for you
[10:45] <Lure> I can look into this later today - currently preparing update for powersave (which was just accepted)
[10:45] <Lure> ;-)
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: congrats ;)
[10:45] <Tonio_> Lure: don't forget to subscribe as an ubuntu-member ;)
[10:46] <Lure> this will be the fastest update after upload ;-)
[10:46] <Lure> I have actually put myself to next CoC meeting, but am not sure if I will be able to make it
[10:46] <Tonio_> Lure: argh...
[10:47] <Tonio_> Lure: <hen you do it, don't forget to let me know, to come and support you ;)
[10:47] <Lure> will do... ;-)
[10:49] <robotgeek> Tonio_: slight problem
[10:50] <robotgeek> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/658270 
[10:50] <Tonio_> robotgeek: looking
[10:51] <Lure> hi allee
[10:51] <Tonio_> robotgeek: nasty.........
[10:51] <Tonio_> let me test
[10:52] <Tonio_> allee: wengophone in universe ;)
[10:52] <Tonio_> allee: I know you will like that
[10:52] <allee> hi Lure, Tonio_ 
[10:52] <Lure> allee: powersave/kpowersave in universe ;-)
[10:52] <allee> wngophone what's that
[10:52] <allee> yeah, I've seen the UVF being accepted
[10:53] <allee> It's really a pity I'm too busy to help before release
[10:53] <Tonio_> allee: softphone with videoconference
[10:53] <allee> but at least I'll be able provide some server/cluster releated debs in the near future
[10:54] <allee> Tonio_: whao,  sounds really interesting.
[10:54] <jdong>  kdisplay really hates weird xorg.conf files
[10:54] <jdong> like overly tweaked TwinView configs
[10:54] <Tonio_> allee: and multoplateform ;) exists on mac and windows too
[10:54] <allee> Tonio_: who cares? ;)
[10:54] <jdong> I don't blame it much.... but when that happens, the Power tab of Display dies along with the configurator
[10:54] <Tonio_> it is in fact like skype, but better and free
[10:55] <Tonio_> allee: I do care, since it isn't possible to get everyone on kubuntu for the moment :)
[10:55] <jdong> so can we put DPMS settings with the rest of the power settings, because it's not really related to xorg.conf
[10:55] <jdong> even with screensaver opts....
[10:55] <allee> Tonio_: I care about kubuntu, but windows I don't.  And Mac I hope I will not have to care about it ;)
[10:55] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I'm rebuilding and testing to reproduce on i386
[10:56] <robotgeek> Tonio_: okay, thanks
[10:56] <Tonio_> allee: I mean that this software is the first compatible solution between different os
[10:56] <Tonio_> which is a great progress
[10:56] <Tonio_> I don't mind windows too
[10:56] <Tonio_> but the possibility to videoconf with windows users is important (to me)
[10:57] <allee> So wengphone is qt?
[10:57] <Tonio_> allee: yup
[10:58] <Tonio_> the only big problem is translations
[10:58] <Tonio_> it uses it's own system and doesn't use i18n......... weird
[11:02] <Lure> Tonio_: can you check powersave_0.12.11-1ubuntu2 on kubuntu.no-ip.org and if it is OK upload
[11:02] <Lure> it only fixes one script, where /boot/grub/default was removed by accident
[11:03] <allee> Lure: what's in /b/g/default?
[11:03] <allee> Tonio_: you mean it use tr() instead of i18n()?  then that's normal for an qt app :)
[11:04] <Lure> if you have "default saved", grub will by default offer last kernel you used
[11:04] <Lure> this is controled by savedefault flag and grub writes it to that /b/g/default file
[11:04] <allee> Lure: ah, thx
[11:04] <Lure> if it does not exists, if fails with error 15: file not found
[11:04] <Lure> (Hobbsee got it today)
[11:05] <Tonio_> allee: nope, it uses it's own system, means that lang isn't autodetect
[11:05] <Tonio_> you have to select language in the options, like a windows app
[11:05] <Lure> Tonio_: will look into double-separator bug in knm
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: thanks :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> Lure: let me know, I'll update the package then
[11:07] <Tonio_> robotgeek: confirmed problem in wengophone package........... what happens............
[11:07] <robotgeek> Tonio_: well, it does work and stuff, but overwrites the nice configs :)
[11:08] <Tonio_> robotgeek: I simply changed the path for desktop file.......; don't understand the reason of that bug
[11:09] <robotgeek> Tonio_: fixable?
[11:09] <Tonio_> robotgeek: certainly ;)
[11:12] <Lure> Tonio_: remind me - what is the command to create a patch on temporary source tree 
[11:14] <Tonio_> cdbs-edit-patch
[11:15] <Lure> thx
[11:15] <Tonio_> robotgeek: should be fixed
[11:16] <robotgeek> Tonio_: cool, i'll try it a bit later
[11:29] <kwwii> Riddell: if you want to test the window deco with the new buttons, get it from http://bootsplash.org/crystal-1.0.0-ken.tar.bz2
[11:30] <kwwii> or anyone else for that matter
[11:32] <Tm_T> kwwii: testing ;)
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: pong
[11:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you remove the systemapplet patch ?
[11:33] <Riddell> kwwii: cool
[11:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[11:34] <Riddell> using X-KDE-Protocols should be better no?
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: except that kaffeine still doesn't work for me ;)
[11:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have latest kaffeine?
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume yes, I'm up to date
[11:35] <Tonio_> that might be the reason :) /home/tonio/.local/share/applications/kde-kaffeine.desktop
[11:35] <Tonio_> removing this
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: then we should make the konqsidebar system back ;)
[11:37] <Riddell> Tonio_: works for you now?
[11:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope, but my profile is a bit crappy ;) let me clean it first :)
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: working, thanks ;)
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to fix kdebase package then ?
[11:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: will send you a debdiff
[11:45] <Lure_> Tonio_: anything wrong with ftp on kubuntu.no-ip.org?
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure_: shouldn't
[11:45] <Tonio_> Lure_: do you experience issues ?
[11:45] <Lure_> looks like konq has issues (kio)
[11:45] <Lure_> strange...
[11:45] <Lure_> (I lost connection in between testing new knm)
[11:46] <Lure_> will ftp from command line
[11:47] <Riddell> kwwii: beautiful
[11:48] <kwwii> Riddell: let me send you the ksrc file (color scheme) and the latest bg as well
[11:48] <Riddell> you have been busy :)
[11:48] <kwwii> Riddell: well, when matt said "deadline is tuesday" I took that very seriously
[11:49] <Riddell> interestingly bug 39502 just got reported
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39502 in kdebase kcontrol "Missing Color Scheme" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39502
[11:49] <kwwii> haha!
[11:49] <kwwii> my first bug fix!
[11:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: what are the ones you did ? vista ?
[11:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, vista
[11:50] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, mine replace the old ones in vista (so they are no longer vista-like at all)
[11:50] <Riddell> we'll rename them
[11:50] <kwwii> yeah
[11:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: BEAUTIFULL ;)
[11:50] <Riddell> I had problems compiling it though, .ui files didn't have all the includes
[11:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: and you added a bit of green ;)
[11:50] <kwwii> ;-)
[11:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: I was waiting for green in kubuntu for month :)
[11:50] <kwwii> I am always thinking of you guys
[11:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks for this :)
[11:51] <kwwii> Tonio_: glad you like it!
[11:53] <Lure_> Tonio_: knm package with separator fix is in your repo
[11:54] <Lure_> Tonio_: there is also fixed powersave ubuntu2
[11:54] <Lure_> Tonio_: can you check both and upload?
[11:54] <Tonio_> Lure_: sure :)
[11:54] <Tonio_> Lure_: you should send the patch for double separator to suse no ?
[11:55] <Lure_> Tonio_: yes I will send it to Timo, just need to do one w/o DialUp removal (our depends on noDialup one)(
[11:56] <Tonio_> yep
[12:01] <Riddell> kwwii: did you change anything in the code?
[12:02] <Tonio_> Lure_: did you test powersave ? no laptop here to test if it works
[12:02] <Lure_> yes - sure
[12:03] <kwwii> Riddell: in client/crystalclient.cc I changed the sizes of the icons and the placemnt method
[12:04] <Riddell> thanks
[12:05] <Tonio_> robotgeek: wengophone corrected and uploaded, tested and the problem is resolved
[12:05] <Tonio_> Lure_: working your your packages now :)
[12:05] <Lure_> kpowersave failed to build - https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/185560
[12:06] <Lure_> not sure if I understand this POT error...