=== mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad [12:26] has anyone else seen test failures doubled up with make check> [12:26] ? [12:31] sabdfl, not me [12:31] sabdfl, what I have seen are librarian failures [12:31] but they don't occur reliably [12:31] i see the same set of failures, twice [12:31] am refueling now to see if that's fixed [12:32] odd. [12:32] it was almost as if the test suite was being run twice [12:33] kiko: we should figure out a way to produce an RF repo that has been beaten up to represent three years of dev [12:33] i.t.o. commits, branches etc [12:33] and see what the performance is like [12:33] i fear a baz-like implosion once we cross certain mem thresholds [12:33] you mean making random commits? [12:33] something like that [12:33] simulate 20 developers over a few years [12:34] merge is definitely slowin [12:34] make that an mpool problem :-) [12:34] sure, i do think they are working on it, knits are supposed to solve a lot of that === hannosch [i=hannosch@e176100072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #launchpad === lifeless_ [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad [12:43] hi lifeless [12:45] morning sabdfl [12:45] yawn [12:45] okay, rolling my bones home [12:45] how's life in oz? [12:45] night kiko, and thanks [12:45] night, thanks to you [12:45] I'm very tired today. wonder why [12:45] am working on those tests, hope to submit before crashing [12:45] :-) [12:45] I would like to be a bug contact for a product [12:46] but it looks like there can only be one? [12:46] that is true, you'd need to use a team. [12:46] pretty good. This is the best time of year here - the HEAT is gone, but the chill hasn't set in. [12:46] that's what i was saying about the bug subscription model being unsatisfactory right now [12:46] think of it as a more general bug subscription framework [12:46] it's simple but does 90% of the job :) [12:46] then also think that we want subscriptions for other "facets" too [12:47] like - subscribe me to info about bounties on a product [12:47] kiko: it should work like packages [12:47] where anyone can register themselves as a contact [12:47] agreed [12:47] I am wary of creating a massive system for managing subscriptions to anything [12:47] the current approach does have the nice "this is the person responsible for foo" angle [12:47] which we should preserve [12:47] speaking of which, I inadvertently prevented some bugs from going to Launchpad Developers because of this [12:47] but sure, we could offer N-1 mapping of subscriptions. [12:47] there was no bug contact set, and I didn't realize that the registrant was copied if there was no contact [12:47] but we will definitely need a more general subscription framework [12:48] mdz: the idea is that someone who is flying solo should not have to go and set themselves as the foo-role everywhere [12:48] it should jsut work [12:48] yeah [12:48] but they can delegate responsibility just by putting someone else's name in the slot [12:49] maybe we could make that clearer in the UI [12:51] lifeless: any reason a merge should have blown out to 25 mins for me? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #launchpad [12:52] sabdfl: what phase is it on ? [12:52] 0/5 [12:52] check ~/.bzr.log [12:52] its probably got a message there saying either garbage inventories or incorrect history [12:52] bunch of ghosts, no current activity [12:53] found ghost Arch-1:brad.bollenbach@canonical.com%launchpad--devel--0--patch-271 [12:53] Garbage inventory {mark@canonical.com-20060411224150-f0388fd5dbf64c95} found. [12:53] right [12:53] ? [12:53] its triggered a reconcile [12:53] on weaves thats very very slow [12:53] of the order of... hours? [12:53] yes [12:53] should i go to sleep? [12:53] you can defer it [12:53] hit ctrlC [12:53] do the merge again [12:53] keep working [12:54] hi there [12:54] but it will need to happen at some point. so when you are ready to sleep, just type in 'bzr reconcile' and walk away. [12:54] if i do the merge again, won't it just trigger the reconcile? [12:54] only if there is more data in the source branch [12:54] I have translated the ubuntu packaging guide into french this week, but it was modified since. Is it possible to import the translations I did previously since the changes are minimal ? [12:55] if you already have all the data, the code path to check is not triggered. [12:55] lifeless: that's too much for my brain i am just going to crash and deal in the morning [12:55] with knits... ? [12:55] raphink, it is done automatically. Are you saying it has gone back to 0? [12:55] sabdfl: ok. Let it run then, it will be ready for you when you get up === mdke_ is now known as mdke [12:55] mdke: many strings are erased yes [12:55] sabdfl: with knits it happens much more rarely, but is still slower than I'd like [12:56] I had translated much more than what is left [12:56] raphink, show me, please [12:56] (with weaves, -normal operation- can cause it) [12:56] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/packagingguide/fr/+translate?offset=10&show=untranslated [12:56] all the things that show here were translated [12:56] and only few changes have been made to them [12:57] raphink, you had translated it 100%? [12:57] night all [12:57] not 100% mdke [12:57] gnight, sleep well [12:57] but much more than what is left [12:57] raphink, how much? [12:57] night sabdfl === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #launchpad [] [12:58] mdke: I'd say I had about 500 strings left [12:58] instead of 530 [12:58] or so [12:58] raphink, ah. PHEW. 30 strings could easily have changed in the update [12:58] sure, but they're huge strings [12:59] it's not a program, it's doc [12:59] and strings are often entire paragraphs [12:59] so 30 strings is a lot of work to translate [12:59] yes. If part of a long string changes, I'm afraid there is nothing we can do about that [12:59] ah ... [12:59] the whole string has to be retranslated [12:59] the previous translation can't be taken back [12:59] so I can modify it [01:00] there's not even a place where I can get it to copy and paste? [01:00] the previous translation is somewhere in rosetta yeah, but I don't think there is a way for you to download it [01:00] hmpf [01:00] sorry about that [01:01] that is very bad news [01:01] I really want to get this guide translated [01:01] and I've got other things to focus on [01:01] :s [01:01] I hope it doesn't put you off. If you email the mailing list, maybe the rosetta developers can dig around for you. [01:02] that'll be fine [01:02] sorry about that [01:02] np [01:02] I'm afraid that guide was rushed through quite late, hence the changes [01:03] yes I know [01:03] I'm part of the contributors [01:03] and latest contributors actually ;) [01:04] I believe it's even my fault if I have to retranslate everything, cause I reported some errors [01:04] but I didn't think I would have to rewrite everything [01:04] hence my deception [01:04] but I'll deal with it ;) === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad [01:07] grr [01:07] connexion issue ? [01:07] yeah [01:07] yes I know [01:07] :p === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #launchpad [01:07] whoa [01:08] lol [01:08] that's crazy shit [01:08] anyhow, sorry about those problems you've had [01:08] thanks for translating that guide [01:09] oh well I'd feel bad helping to write a guide and not translating it in my own language [01:09] ;) [01:17] damn kiko is asleep [01:17] he completely broke my launchpad account and I'm locked out now [01:18] any other launcpad admin around? I can't even send bugmail [01:21] argh [01:21] I won't get bugmail either [01:21] this is pretty serious [01:22] lifeless, you still here? [01:22] yup [01:22] whats up ? [01:22] kiko destroyed my account [01:22] he merged dennis into dennis-mirage, should have been done the other way around [01:22] he tried to correct it [01:23] but my mailaddresses and karma are missing [01:23] and this I can't login [01:23] s/this/thus/ [01:23] so you want to be dennis-mirage ? [01:23] and my karma was nice and high and is now 0 :'( [01:23] no, I want to be dennis [01:23] https://launchpad.net/people/dennis [01:23] and it is dennis now, but the account misses karma and mailaddresses [01:24] the former is not too serious, but the latter makes it impossible for me to use lp [01:24] that should not have happened [01:24] merging is symmetrical [01:24] well, it did happen [01:24] look at /people/dennis [01:25] can you paste a log of your discussion with kiko ? [01:25] no karma, no mailaddresses [01:25] was via mail [01:25] yes, I see it. I need information [01:25] sec [01:25] otherwise I'll just make it worse [01:25] cc to stub too please [01:25] I may bounce this to him, as he wrote the merge magic in the first place === spiv [n=andrew@adsl-66-203.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #launchpad [01:26] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12134 [01:26] can't you at least add my e-mailaddress again (with password) so I can at least use launchpad? [01:27] Seveas: I'm going to see what I can see. But its not like edit /etc/passwd, its much more complex. [01:27] email addresses are in a separate table from password [01:27] passwords are restricted access [01:28] I realise the impact this is having on you [01:28] people should not go to sleep after messing with accounts ;) [01:30] urgh - can't even use the wiki of course :/ [01:30] I should just go to sleep too and hope it's resolved by the time I wake up [01:32] probably not a bad idea === BjornT [n=bjorn@clt-84-32-240-183.dtiltas.lt] has joined #launchpad === mdke_ is now known as mdke [01:53] lifeless: help! [01:53] Trying to merge baz2bzr, and I get this failure (multiple times) [01:54] ValueError: time data did not match format: data=2006-02-21 17:21:18 CET fmt=%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z [01:54] obviously, it _does_ match [01:54] and I cannot reproduce it locally [01:54] can forward you the pqm message if you think that would help [01:59] weird [01:59] the whole message wont help much. But a traceback might [01:59] what are you merging in ? [01:59] spiv has a patch in that area too [01:59] david/launchpad/baz2bzr [01:59] I also merged the bzrtools bugfix that blocked spiv [01:59] was bzrtools broken ? [02:00] details, gimme details. [02:00] the test case tested for the presence of 'nick': 'rd' [02:00] 'branch-nick': 'rd', I mean [02:00] absence surely ? [02:00] tested for presence [02:00] that was the bug [02:00] ! [02:01] so, fixed that, and the merge went in [02:01] who wouldda thought [02:01] apparently, I was the last one to touch this line === spiv wakes up [02:01] back then when I adjusted the logs produced by baz-import... [02:02] lifeless: current bzr.dev and bzrtools did fix my problem too, although I haven't checked if it woud break anything in launchpad yet. The rest of sourcecode/ seemed happy enough with it. [02:02] lifeless: so I guess it must have gone through review unnoticed :) [02:03] lifeless: I'll forward you chosen pieces from the pqm message [02:03] ddaa: pastebin [02:03] I'd like spiv to look at it too [02:04] score [02:04] samba-the-segfaulting-daemon. [02:06] https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileVrQJzd.html [02:06] stripped all the boring stuff at the beginning === ddaa goes back at trying to demystify a broken bazaar-ui pagetest [02:09] ddaa: "strptime('2006-02-21 17:21:18 CET', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z')" fails on my local python too, fwiw [02:09] spiv: fails with the same error? [02:10] ddaa: Yep. Try it yourself: python -c "from time import strptime; strptime('2006-02-21 17:21:18 CET', '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %Z')" === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #launchpad [02:11] spiv: worksforme [02:11] Python 2.4.3 [02:12] ddaa: Interesting. It doesn't for me, dapper's python 2.4.3... it may be a locale issue? [02:12] If I s/CET/EST/, it works. [02:12] blah [02:13] dapper python here too [02:14] infrastructure problem [02:16] pqm is not running dapper yet FWIW [02:17] >>> _strptime._TimeRE_cache.locale_time.timezone [02:17] (frozenset(['utc', 'est', 'gmt'] ), frozenset(['est'] )) [02:17] python's strptime only knows about utc, gmt and your current timezone by default, it seems. [02:18] mh [02:18] okay, it blows because that test is running with a bzr branch extracted from a tarball, that I created on my local system [02:18] spiv: congrats [02:18] that's still a bug in bzr [02:18] ddaa: whats the branch ? [02:18] david/launchpad/baz [02:19] david/launchpad/baz2bzr [02:19] ddaa: dude, no. META [02:19] ddaa: I want to know what you are testing there that requires a tarball. [02:19] tarballs are IMO a really bad way to manage fixtures [02:19] Yep, that's the issue, if I set TZ=Europe/Paris it knows about CET. [02:19] spiv: wow, nice regression [02:20] lifeless: that's simple, I'm happy with it, and the branch scanner should be able to deal with 0.7 branches for a while. [02:20] besides, it exposes some fun bzr bugs. [02:20] ddaa: meh. Could you -please- answer the question ? [02:21] I think I did. [02:21] The branch has nothing special. [02:21] I want to know what you are testing there that requires a tarball. [02:21] ddaa: In fact, the documentation for time.strptime explicitly says "Support for the %Z directive is based on the values contained in tzname and whether daylight is true. Because of this, it is platform-specific except for recognizing UTC and GMT which are always known (and are considered to be non-daylight savings timezones)." I should have checked there first... [02:21] I think I answered. What I am testing is baz2bzr [02:22] and nothing _requires_ a tarball, except it's simple, good enough, and it should work [02:22] ddaa: I get the feeling you are being deliberately opaque here. [02:22] s/baz2bzr/baz-import/ [02:22] mh [02:22] I'm not opaque [02:22] and its not simple. It has the following deficiencies at minimum. [02:22] I'm tired and confused. [02:22] its hard to see what the fixture represents - [02:23] you need to unpack a tarball, play with the data, /understand/ why its the way it is. [02:23] its hard to modify by two people at once - [02:23] and TBH quite pissed after spending all the day doing review fixes and trying to stuff down PQM's throat [02:23] you need to merge the contents of the tarball. [02:24] let me put it another way then. [02:24] GO TO SLEEP. [02:24] this is an important discussion, and not one that carrying on while you are tired and grumpy will be conducive too === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad === mbp_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === lisi [n=Breezy@p54A3C993.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad [04:07] hello all [04:08] I have some problem wih my .po file [04:08] I remember someone here some time ago had solved this problem with a Perl script [04:08] that cleans the file === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #launchpad === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #launchpad [06:37] hmm, any konqueror users in here? need help confirming a konqueror/lp bug === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-21.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #launchpad [07:13] Bug #39396 [07:13] Malone bug 39396 in launchpad "javascript focuses new tab automatically in Konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39396 === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #launchpad === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #launchpad === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #launchpad [07:38] jamesh: do you know why this pygpgme test is failing? https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file7A2Fca.html [07:50] spiv: looks like a default value has changed between gpgme releases [07:51] between 1.0.x and 1.1.x [07:54] jamesh: That test failure appears to be blocking me from merging my buildbot branch -- if you can fix it, that would be appreciated :) [07:58] spiv: just pushing the change to chinstrap [07:59] Excellent :) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #launchpad === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [08:38] spiv: http://pqm.launchpad.net/ <- pqm doesn't look like it is happy with the merge request [08:44] spiv: seems that I'm not authorised to update the copy in rocketfuel [08:44] jamesh: Ah. [08:45] lifeless: ^^^ I guess this needs some manual intervention? [08:54] merge sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/jamesh/pygpgme/devel/ sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/pygpgme/devel [08:54] Command failed! [08:54] All lines of log output: [08:54] Sender not authorised to commit to branch sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/rocketfuel/pygpgme/devel [08:54] ^^^ that's what pqm sent back to me === frodon_ido [n=patrick@ip-213-49-233-214.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #launchpad [09:52] mpt: ping === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [10:26] hmm, my account problem seems partially solved. It's the less serious part that's solved though :( [10:28] Seveas: what is it that's not working? [10:29] raphink: your OOPS from yesterday was caused because you didn't fill in the URL in the add branch form (the fact that you got an oops is a bug though) [10:32] BjornT, something went wrong in an account merge yesterday [10:32] my e-mailaddresses are missing, so I can't login [10:32] the minor thing was that the karma was reset - that seems to have been solved with the daily karma sweep [10:35] jamesh: we had not setup the autotesting foo policy for it [10:36] Seveas: oh, that seems bad, i can't help you with that. [10:36] lifeless, didn't you sleep at all? ;) [10:36] lifeless: would it be possible to pull the new revision from my branch manually? One of the tests is failing with the newer libgpgme (it was testing the default value of a gpgme context variable) [10:38] jamesh: I'm doing that [10:38] jamesh: the altered test reads 'foo = 2; assert foo == 2' (paraphrasing ) ;) [10:39] done [10:39] the failing test was "self.assertEqual(ctx.include_certs, 1)" on a new context [10:40] with 1.1.0, the default is -256 [10:41] the second bit of the test was there before (testing that setting the value works) [10:42] jamesh: I realise that ;) [10:43] its just amusing [10:45] lifeless: an unrelated question: if I'm doing a local bzr import of a CVS branch, and merge the changes I made in bzr into CVS, would it break anything if I manually edited the revision-store file for the merge to add the extra parent? [10:50] jamesh: I was trying to find out how to open a bzr branch on LP [10:50] if there's a way [10:51] raphink: hosted in the supermirror? [10:51] jamesh: what do you mean ? [10:51] jamesh: well is there an official bazaar server for ubuntu? [10:52] lifeless: I'm running tailor to create a bzr import of a CVS branch. I make some changes in a local bzr branch that diverges from the import and I want to commit them to CVS [10:53] when you use tailor to bring that revision across to bzr, edit .bzr/checkout/pending-merges and add the revision id [10:53] lifeless: if I do so and then import that merge revision into bzr, would editing the parents list so that bzr knows that a merge occurred break anything? [10:53] if you get it right it wont break anything, but the data is very redundant [10:53] you need to edit: [10:53] Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial] make some tests, which test code used by send-bug-notifications.py, connect as the bugnotification user, to catch permissions problems. (r3470: Bjorn Tillenius) [10:53] the revision xml [10:53] the revision knit index [10:53] the inventory knit index [10:54] the index of each file that merged *and assign new revision ids to that* [10:54] and update the inventory content to reflect that [10:54] ... [10:54] the official way to record a merge is to have it in pending-merges when commit happens. [10:54] raphink: if you have uploaded an ssh key in Launchpad, you can log into sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net, and create branches of with names like /~myusername/product/branchname [10:55] lifeless: is all that necessary with a 0.7 branch? [10:55] jamesh: ty [10:55] jamesh: all but one. [10:55] raphink: so "bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raphink/productname/branchname" should work, iirc [10:58] lifeless: okay. I guess I'll look at the .bzr/pending-merges option then (maybe kill(getpid(), SIGSTOP) at the right place) [10:58] jamesh: put the bzr revision id in the commit log [10:58] teach tailor to turn that into a pending merge [10:59] lifeless: that sounds like a good long term option [11:00] Seveas: sorry, I made no progress [11:00] jamesh: when registering the branch, it says "Leave that empty if the branch is hosted on bazaar.launchpad.net." [11:01] lifeless, it's ok - I'll wait for kiko to wake up [11:01] so I can leave it empty, but only if I have a sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raphink/productname/branchname already created ? [11:01] raphink: yeah. I'm not disputing that you ran into a bug. [11:01] ah ok [11:01] so I should put the branch url even if on launchpad [11:01] raphink: if you have create sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raphink/productname/branchname then the branch is created already [11:01] raphink: when you create a branch by pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net, the branch should show up on https://launchpad.net automatically [11:02] raphink: that field MUST be blank if you want SFTP access to the branch at bazaar.launchpad.net [11:02] ah [11:02] its a confusing UI right now. The way it works is: [11:02] I logged to launchpad via sft and created the dirs [11:02] BLANK URL == we host the branch on SFTP [11:02] will that work? [11:02] s/sft/sftp/ [11:02] NON-BLANK URL == we monitor the branch that you are hosting somewhere else [11:03] ah yes it seems to work :) [11:03] yes, if you login via sftp and push the branch - i.e. 'bzr push --create-prefix sftp:.....' then it will just work [11:03] lifeless: no i mean if I mkdir it [11:04] raphink: it wont work if you mkdir it because you will confuse bzr [11:04] hmmm ok [11:04] bzr will think (correctly) that you have an empty directory there. [11:05] and currently that means it will complain at you so it doesn't do the wrong thing by mistake [11:06] if you have done a 'mkdir' using sftp, I can talk you through getting bzr to push there. [11:10] lifeless: I'd like that [11:10] cause I'm a bit fighting with it right now [11:10] python [11:10] import bzrlib.bzrdir [11:11] ok [11:11] bzrlib.bzrdir.BzrDir.create('sftp://...') [11:11] (this assumes you have a normal branch, not a knit branch or metadir branch) [11:12] >>> bzrlib.bzrdir.BzrDir.create('sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raphink/klik/main') [11:12] [11:12] ok [11:12] quit python and now you can push to there [11:12] $ bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~raphink/klik/main [11:12] bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/raphink/klik/main/ [11:13] :s [11:13] thats your local path ;) [11:13] sorry to be so bzr-illiterate [11:13] yes I know it's my local path [11:13] make sure you are in your local tree first [11:13] how do you mean in my local tree ? [11:14] have you used bzr before ? [11:14] nope [11:14] only svn [11:14] ok [11:14] join #bzr [11:14] ok [11:14] you need to walk before you run [11:14] indeed === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@215.Red-83-49-54.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable092.66-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:42] jamesh, around? [01:42] salgado: yeah [01:43] hey! did you see my reply to your review? [01:44] yeah. I've just been going through carlos's review. I'll send a reply soon [01:45] great. thank you === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [i=mpt@210-54-126-251.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [01:59] kiko-zzz, wake up [02:00] mpt_: do you really think he sleeps with his lappy under his pillow? [02:00] mpt_, if that works, I'll be very impressed [02:01] ddaa, he lives dangerously, but not *that* dangerously === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.140.231.254] has joined #launchpad [02:05] cprov: Any sign of kiko? [02:06] intermittent snoring [02:06]