| mdke | actually, gedit in general has had a few regressions, I may have to start using a real editor at some stage | 12:06 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, bug pbor, gedit is quite interested in making it more than just a text editor | 12:07 |
| mdke | pbor? | 12:08 |
| mdke | ok | 12:08 |
| Burgwork | that is his irc nick on gimp.net | 12:08 |
| mdke | lack of syntax highlighting (bug) and crappy "go to line" (feature?) is annoying me right now | 12:08 |
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| mdke_ | can I send someone a patch for the serverguide? My svn password is indisposed | 12:13 |
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| LaserJock | mdke_: I can if you want | 12:17 |
| mdke_ | thanks dude | 12:17 |
| Burgwork | mdke_, I really wish we could change our svn passwords... | 12:17 |
| trappist | +1 | 12:17 |
| mdke_ | we might be tempted to make them less secure! | 12:18 |
| LaserJock | or let other people make changes when we can't remember ours ;-) | 12:18 |
| Burgwork | so secure I don't commit due to not being on the machine that has the password on it | 12:18 |
| trappist | LaserJock: :) | 12:19 |
| trappist | it's practically impossible to remember a secure-enough password. especially with as many passwords as most people have. | 12:19 |
| trappist | we could use ssh + keys instead | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | that is why I kept my email so I can go look it up | 12:20 |
| mdke_ | my fingers tend to remember my ssh key password | 12:20 |
| mdke_ | but if I had to write it down, I'd struggle | 12:20 |
| mdke_ | even though it's not very hard | 12:20 |
| mdke_ | LaserJock, sent | 12:21 |
| trappist | mdke_: there's a motivation when that one pass(word|phrase) unlocks dozens of accounts | 12:21 |
| mdke_ | yeah, i use it for gpg too | 12:21 |
| trappist | gack | 12:21 |
| mdke_ | ssh | 12:21 |
| trappist | my gpg passphrase, I use ONLY for gpg | 12:22 |
| Burgwork | indeed | 12:22 |
| mdke_ | anyway, postfix works now | 12:22 |
| trappist | and it contains a confession to a crime, lest anyone try to subpoena it. no idea if that would hold up :) | 12:22 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: in vim, [esc] :%s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] //g (where you'd actually press esc, ctrl+v, and ctrl+m) | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: ah, good to know | 12:23 |
| LaserJock | mdke_: this should go in dapper branch server guide, right? | 12:24 |
| mdke_ | LaserJock, yes please | 12:24 |
| LaserJock | mdke_: r2874 | 12:26 |
| mdke_ | LaserJock, merci beaucoup. trappist, it's all yours | 12:26 |
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| mdke | jeez, evolution is a lot uglier in dapper | 02:41 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke: having fun? ;) | 02:42 |
| Burgundavia | evo needs to die | 02:42 |
| mdke | why the hell is the folder tree so heavily indented now? | 02:43 |
| mdke | maybe it's the font | 02:43 |
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| Burgundavia | eds is nice | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | dates, contacts and tinymail look cool | 03:01 |
| mdke | argh | 03:02 |
| mdke | and nautilus crashes all the time | 03:02 |
| mdke | gnome 2.14.1 had better be good :) | 03:04 |
| crimsun | don't we already have 2.14.1? | 03:04 |
| mdke | I'm still on 2.14.0, just installed from flight 6 and still upgrading | 03:05 |
| mdke | dunno if it's on its way in the upgrade | 03:05 |
| crimsun | ah. yeah, it went in yesterday. | 03:05 |
| mdke | ah cool | 03:05 |
| mdke | right now, if I try and drag and drop a file from a directory where I have read (not write) permission, it tries to move it, and says "permission denied" | 03:06 |
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| robotgeek | hey KingBahamut , long time | 04:37 |
| KingBahamut | rg | 04:37 |
| KingBahamut | whats the know? | 04:37 |
| robotgeek | translations have begun | 04:38 |
| robotgeek | anyone notice the new lp look, very slick | 04:56 |
| crimsun | I'm undecided about the dropdowns, but I do like the new workflow | 04:57 |
| crimsun | namely there's now an option for filing a bug against some package of which you don't know the name | 04:57 |
| crimsun | I'm certainly finding it more intuitive than bugzilla, but perhaps that's just my addled brain | 04:58 |
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| robotgeek | the dropdowns are slightly confusing, as they don't appear for all "tabs" | 05:00 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 07:10 |
| dsas | hallo | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: sick, but funny humour --> http://www.um.com.au/gallipoli.html | 07:12 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, oh boy. Does it actually run? | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | not tried it | 07:13 |
| Burgundavia | but unlike lemmings, you get points by killing your men | 07:14 |
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| Madpilot | well, of course. An authentic WW1 game should :P | 07:14 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot: I am annoyed I am going to be missing LWNW | 07:22 |
| Madpilot | yeah, but you'll be making money and exploring exciting Oklahoma! :P | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | we should meet if you will coming around NY :) | 07:22 |
| Madpilot | robotgeek, I thought you were in Texas? | 07:23 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: i moved to NJ | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | not likely to be on the east coast for a while | 07:23 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, any of your sales territory in the eastern US? | 07:23 |
| Burgundavia | further east in the US is Michigan | 07:23 |
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| highvoltage | ubuntu-docs just got upgraded, the version number is still 6.04. that's changing to 6.06, right. | 09:31 |
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| mdke | highvoltage, it changes according to which month we're in | 11:02 |
| highvoltage | aaaaah | 11:05 |
| mdke | cool huh? | 11:06 |
| mdke | must have been dholbach's idea | 11:06 |
| mdke | Burgwork, you can open odt's in abiword?? awesome news, thanks | 11:18 |
| rob | hmm, Brian had a good point on the forums regarding the marketing team thread on the list | 11:58 |
| rob | gotta wonder why they didn't do that in the first place | 11:58 |
| mdke | yes, there's no reason to have another separate one | 11:59 |
| rob | yep | 11:59 |
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| rob | just spoke to jenda, apparently the forums won't support them, they asked for that when they first started | 01:01 |
| rob | kind of stinks if you ask me | 01:01 |
| mdke | rob, maybe they didn't approach them in the right way | 01:02 |
| rob | maybe | 01:03 |
| rob | heh yeah | 01:04 |
| jenda | rob! that's not the way it is - that's just the way it started | 01:28 |
| jenda | anyway - I said we would consider it :) | 01:29 |
| rob | did you ask them or just set up your own forum, then ask? | 01:29 |
| jenda | I have a _lot_ on my shoulders studying and Lloyd fighting SWpats in Ireland - so give us time :) | 01:30 |
| mdke | it would be quite easy for the forums to add a "marketing" section, actually they probably have something similar already | 01:30 |
| rob | mdke, yes, and they might just have | 01:30 |
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| rob | there is a Ubuntu art forum at least.. | 01:31 |
| mdke | it's pretty tricky to find forums now with the new layout... | 01:31 |
| mdke | they definitely should add a marketing/advocacy forum | 01:31 |
| jenda | mdke, rob - please let us make a decision before we do anything :) We have a good forum worknig at the moment. | 01:32 |
| rob | http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=78 | 01:32 |
| rob | what the heck? Ubuntu User Guide forum? | 01:32 |
| mdke | rob, that's the old ubuntuguide.org forum | 01:32 |
| rob | apparently not: http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper | 01:34 |
| jenda | that is now replaced, I think by easylinux.info | 01:34 |
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| rob | make the bad man stop! | 01:35 |
| mdke | rob, that's the new (updated) ubuntuguide | 01:35 |
| rob | yeah, and its just as locked down too (looks like a wiki, smells like a wiki, but won't let you sign up a new account!) | 01:37 |
| mdke | I think it should be open | 01:37 |
| rob | nope, need to be registered to edit, clicking on Create an account or login only gives you the option to log in | 01:38 |
| jenda | rob: it is a wiki, but AFAIK, closed a bit... it's kinda why I left the project :) | 01:38 |
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| rob | I really need to get cracking on those ideas from a few weeks ago.. | 01:39 |
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| jenda | I'd like to point the Doc Team's attention to an idea i submitted in the MT (not mine originally): http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=58 | 02:20 |
| jenda | it concerns shipit - a way to make it more effective. | 02:20 |
| jenda | by including... what else... a little bit of documentation. | 02:21 |
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| mdke | jenda, posting to the mailing list is the best idea | 02:33 |
| jenda | k | 02:33 |
| mdke | someone is going to have to pay for it though | 02:34 |
| mdke | so include jane on the email | 02:34 |
| mdke | jenda, ^ | 02:37 |
| jenda | Hmm... can you give me an address? I have little clue who jane is :) | 02:37 |
| mdke | erm... | 02:38 |
| mdke | you have a marketing team which has no contact with Canonical at all? | 02:38 |
| jenda | I'm not the contact :) | 02:38 |
| mdke | ok | 02:38 |
| jenda | And Lloyd Hardy would know more. | 02:38 |
| mdke | most marketing is done within Canonical, so I kinda assumed the group would be tightly integrated | 02:38 |
| mdke | it's jane.silber@canonical.com | 02:39 |
| jenda | In fact, I was thinking it would be better to present Canonical/shipit with a ready made booklet - don't worry, it wouldn't be wasted work even if they refuse. | 02:39 |
| jenda | thanks. | 02:39 |
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| trappist | hey fellas, http://www.conglomerate.org/ | 04:58 |
| mdke | hi trappist | 04:59 |
| trappist | hey mdke | 04:59 |
| trappist | I'm just now getting started on the serverguide :/ | 04:59 |
| mdke | trappist, that's great! | 05:00 |
| trappist | wait, should I check out the new branch? what's going on with that? | 05:00 |
| mdke | yes, do everything in the branch | 05:00 |
| mdke | it's not so big, 40 meg or so | 05:01 |
| trappist | got a svn co url? | 05:01 |
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| mdke | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper | 05:01 |
| trappist | thanks | 05:01 |
| trappist | 14M here | 05:02 |
| jjesse | just check out everything from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos :) | 05:02 |
| mdke | oh, even better | 05:02 |
| mdke | jjesse, heh, that takes a _long_ time. | 05:02 |
| mdke | i did it this morning, so frustrating to see all the crap we have hanging around | 05:03 |
| jjesse | mdke: grin i know | 05:03 |
| mdke | we should get rid of "vendor" and "branches/froud" i think | 05:03 |
| jjesse | agreed on the branches/froud | 05:03 |
| trappist | any of you guys have a non-dhcp ethernet device and want to share your /etc/network/interfaces with me to use as an example? | 05:20 |
| jjesse | sure hold on | 05:21 |
| jjesse | trappist: how does this look :http://pastebin.com/657790 | 05:23 |
| trappist | jjesse: that'll get me started, thanks | 05:23 |
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| LaserJock | hi jenda | 05:50 |
| jenda | hello... just blew a fuse - otherwise, I wasn't away :) | 05:50 |
| trappist | mdke: new network configuration section is committed | 05:57 |
| mdke | trappist, awesome! | 05:57 |
| mdke | trappist, ok, i tested postfix yesterday and it works, so what's next? do we want to try and get in his suggestions about referring to upstream documentation for every apache directive? | 05:59 |
| mdke | it might be a bit tricky, because sometimes there is more than one directive per paragraph | 05:59 |
| trappist | mdke: I think it could be made less intrusive by changing directive names to ulinks to their respective pages | 06:00 |
| mdke | trappist, that would work, if we introduce the idea in the introduction. nice idea | 06:00 |
| trappist | mdke: I've been getting my butt kicked at work this week. I'm sorta pushing it, taking the time to do the network configuration just now. I can see about getting to apache this evening, if you haven't done it by then. | 06:01 |
| mdke | trappist, I think I can do it. I've got the day off today | 06:02 |
| trappist | sweet | 06:02 |
| trappist | is launchpad down? | 06:02 |
| mdke | all of Ubuntu is down | 06:02 |
| trappist | suck | 06:02 |
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| mdke | trappist, do you think the apache changes are important? It has occurred to me that a lot of long strings will be changed, some translation may be lost. Not sure whether it will be worth it. | 06:08 |
| trappist | mdke: I think that's a good call. I think it's a great idea but not worth messing with or delaying the translators. | 06:09 |
| mdke | trappist, I'm going to look at the state of translations when LP comes back up, then we'll see | 06:10 |
| trappist | any word on why it's down? | 06:10 |
| mdke | [16:59:51] < Kinnison> DC appears to have dropped off the 'net | 06:11 |
| mdke | ah, back | 06:12 |
| mdke | trappist, hmm. some people have made a fair start on it, but nothing too big | 06:13 |
| trappist | my thinking is, we refer to the top level of the apache docs (iirc) and the items for individual config directives are easy to find from there, so it's a good idea, but I still dunno if it's worth a string freeze exception | 06:14 |
| mdke | let's leave it | 06:15 |
| mdke | is anything else not working in the guide? | 06:15 |
| trappist | I'd have to look back at those emails... | 06:15 |
| mdke | there was something brief on the firewall bit | 06:16 |
| trappist | yeah I'm looking at it now | 06:16 |
| trappist | I actually sort of disagree with him on his suggestion. his rules cast a wider net, which is ok and potentially simpler, but it's also slightly less secure and incur unnecessary overhead by masquerading packets that don't need it | 06:18 |
| trappist | like packets originating from the firewall box | 06:19 |
| trappist | oh, actually it doesn't do that, nm. I think I'll put it in the same category - good suggestion, but not an error correction or anything major enough for a string freeze exception. that's my vote. | 06:20 |
| mdke | ok, fine | 06:20 |
| mdke | ok, everything else is fixed, I think | 06:21 |
| mdke | yes | 06:21 |
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| trappist | great | 06:28 |
| trappist | mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Listiquette <-- excellent | 06:30 |
| trappist | mdke: I've heard it suggested that when you remove text from an attributed quote, you should replace the removed text with something like "[snip] " to avoid confusion about context. what do you think? | 06:33 |
| mdke | trappist, sure, that's good practice, I think | 06:36 |
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| Burgwork | mdke, is there a way to force the logout of another user on the system | 08:43 |
| mdke | Burgwork, no idea dude, sorry | 08:43 |
| Burgwork | you must be able to do it, I just don't know how | 08:44 |
| mdke | yeah, maybe someone in #ubuntu will know | 08:44 |
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| dsas | Burgwork: If they're ssh'd in you can kill the pid of their ssh session | 08:45 |
| Burgwork | logged in directly | 08:45 |
| trappist | could kill the pid of their shell | 08:50 |
| Burgwork | hmm | 09:04 |
| Burgwork | trappist, how would I go about finding that? | 09:13 |
| trappist | ps aux | grep username ? | 09:14 |
| Burgwork | can I kill their gnome-session? | 09:15 |
| trappist | oh, that kind of login... | 09:15 |
| trappist | he'll probably have lots of stuff running as him | 09:15 |
| dsas | ps -u$username would be the 'canonical' way to do that, I believe. | 09:15 |
| Burgwork | yep | 09:15 |
| trappist | dsas: good call | 09:16 |
| trappist | Burgwork: it would probably be unsafe unless there's some kind of logout signal gnome would accept | 09:16 |
| trappist | and I don't know if there's such a thing | 09:16 |
| Burgwork | hmm, just did that | 09:16 |
| Burgwork | I don;t know that that killed xscreensaver, which is eating the cpu | 09:17 |
| trappist | if you're worried about xscreensaver, why not just kill xscreensaver? | 09:18 |
| Burgwork | hmm, now I don't know what is happening | 09:19 |
| Burgwork | cpu usage is spiked at 100%, with top claiming that this is X doing it. Usually that means xscreensaver is running a 3d screensaver on these radeon 7000s | 09:19 |
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| mdke | http://www.mdke.org/images/l10n.png | 10:01 |
| mdke | sexy | 10:02 |
| robotgeek | mdke: ++ | 10:03 |
| trappist | hot | 10:04 |
| Burgwork | shiny | 10:05 |
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| mdke | crap | 10:14 |
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| mdke | god. It's a dark day when your goddam terminal crashes | 10:42 |
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| mdke | LaserJock, http://mdke.org/images/package.png | 11:28 |
| LaserJock | mdke: that is soo cool | 11:30 |
| mdke | :) | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do you use translate.sh to do that? | 11:30 |
| mdke | yes | 11:30 |
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| theCore | LaserJock: hi | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | hi theCore | 11:33 |
| LaserJock | theCore: check out http://mdke.org/images/package.png | 11:33 |
| theCore | is it the Packaging Guide? | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | yep | 11:34 |
| theCore | in Japanese? | 11:34 |
| theCore | woah! | 11:34 |
| LaserJock | hmm, not sure my guess is Korean or Chinese | 11:35 |
| mdke | korean yeah | 11:35 |
| LaserJock | theCore: the details are at: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/packagingguide/ | 11:35 |
| theCore | they translate faster than we write :) | 11:36 |
| theCore | a lot faster | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | but there are a lot of translations to do as well | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | I talked to raphink (who is a core-dev and MOTU) about translations (he is doing French) and he said it was really hard | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | even though he knew the material | 11:37 |
| theCore | the guide or to translate? | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | translate | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | he also wrote some | 11:38 |
| theCore | fhew | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | theCore: can you translate? | 11:39 |
| theCore | yes I could | 11:39 |
| LaserJock | what languages do you know (English obviously) | 11:39 |
| theCore | but not now, I got a family supper today | 11:39 |
| theCore | French | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | ah, yes of course | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | I see mdke did some Italian :-) | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | no German though, which seems odd | 11:41 |
| theCore | I wish I could speak Italian ... | 11:42 |
| mdke | LaserJock, only like a string, was just testing something | 11:42 |
| mdke | ahhhh | 11:42 |
| LaserJock | mdke: actually 3 strings it looks like ;-) | 11:42 |
| === mdke has finished with svn for now | ||
| LaserJock | heh, keep telling yourself that ;-) | 11:43 |
| mdke | aboutubuntu and aboutkubuntu aren't working, I've had to file a bug on xml2po | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | :( | 11:43 |
| mdke | everything else seems to work very nicely | 11:43 |
| theCore | Launchpad interface for translating is ugly | 11:43 |
| mdke | LaserJock, that's ok, the xml2po guy is a GOD, he will sort it quickly | 11:43 |
| mdke | cvs xml2po even has an "ubuntu mode" since I asked him about something that xml2po couldn't do | 11:44 |
| theCore | Hmm ... I can't translate, because I'm not an ``official'' translator. | 11:45 |
| LaserJock | mdke: wow, cool | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I think you can | 11:46 |
| mdke | you can make suggestions | 11:46 |
| LaserJock | but it probably has to be review first or something like that | 11:46 |
| theCore | ok, I see | 11:48 |
| theCore | I must go now | 11:50 |
| theCore | cya later | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'd like to say thanks for all the leadership and help you have provided, you have really inspired me to be a part of the doc team :-) | 11:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock, aww. thanks, it's been great to have you on board! | 11:53 |
| mdke | this release cycle has been awesome for new contributors, it's been really exciting | 11:53 |
| mdke | LaserJock, in your case, you joining has meant an extra doc, so :) | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm hoping to be able to help with all the docs for Dapper+1 | 11:55 |
| mdke | that would be great | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | I'm not a writer and I have a lot to learn, but I really enjoy this team | 11:56 |
| mdke | that's made my day | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | well, seeing something I have written be translated before my eyes into so many languages and to have it go out to so many people | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | it's amazing and humbling at the same time | 11:58 |
| mdke | yeah it is pretty cool. I hope lots of translations get done | 12:00 |
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