[12:06] actually, gedit in general has had a few regressions, I may have to start using a real editor at some stage [12:07] mdke, bug pbor, gedit is quite interested in making it more than just a text editor [12:08] pbor? [12:08] ok [12:08] that is his irc nick on gimp.net [12:08] lack of syntax highlighting (bug) and crappy "go to line" (feature?) is annoying me right now === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ omg's at his internet connection [12:13] can I send someone a patch for the serverguide? My svn password is indisposed === mdke_ kicks channel === mhz wears protective gear :D [12:17] mdke_: I can if you want [12:17] thanks dude [12:17] mdke_, I really wish we could change our svn passwords... [12:17] +1 [12:18] we might be tempted to make them less secure! [12:18] or let other people make changes when we can't remember ours ;-) [12:18] so secure I don't commit due to not being on the machine that has the password on it [12:19] LaserJock: :) [12:19] it's practically impossible to remember a secure-enough password. especially with as many passwords as most people have. [12:20] we could use ssh + keys instead [12:20] that is why I kept my email so I can go look it up [12:20] my fingers tend to remember my ssh key password [12:20] but if I had to write it down, I'd struggle [12:20] even though it's not very hard [12:21] LaserJock, sent [12:21] mdke_: there's a motivation when that one pass(word|phrase) unlocks dozens of accounts [12:21] yeah, i use it for gpg too [12:21] gack [12:21] ssh [12:22] my gpg passphrase, I use ONLY for gpg [12:22] indeed [12:22] anyway, postfix works now [12:22] and it contains a confession to a crime, lest anyone try to subpoena it. no idea if that would hold up :) [12:23] LaserJock: in vim, [esc] :%s/[ctrl+v] [ctrl+m] //g (where you'd actually press esc, ctrl+v, and ctrl+m) [12:23] crimsun: ah, good to know [12:24] mdke_: this should go in dapper branch server guide, right? [12:24] LaserJock, yes please [12:26] mdke_: r2874 [12:26] LaserJock, merci beaucoup. trappist, it's all yours === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:41] jeez, evolution is a lot uglier in dapper === mdke whinges generally [02:42] mdke: having fun? ;) [02:42] evo needs to die [02:43] why the hell is the folder tree so heavily indented now? [02:43] maybe it's the font === mdke gives seb a bit of bugmail === mgalvin shoots evo [03:01] eds is nice [03:01] dates, contacts and tinymail look cool [03:02] argh [03:02] and nautilus crashes all the time [03:04] gnome 2.14.1 had better be good :) [03:04] don't we already have 2.14.1? [03:05] I'm still on 2.14.0, just installed from flight 6 and still upgrading [03:05] dunno if it's on its way in the upgrade [03:05] ah. yeah, it went in yesterday. [03:05] ah cool [03:06] right now, if I try and drag and drop a file from a directory where I have read (not write) permission, it tries to move it, and says "permission denied" === mdke slaps nautilus === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kyral_ [n=kyral@HyperDream.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:37] hey KingBahamut , long time [04:37] rg [04:37] whats the know? [04:38] translations have begun [04:56] anyone notice the new lp look, very slick [04:57] I'm undecided about the dropdowns, but I do like the new workflow [04:57] namely there's now an option for filing a bug against some package of which you don't know the name [04:58] I'm certainly finding it more intuitive than bugzilla, but perhaps that's just my addled brain === robotgeek tries searching for konq bugs [05:00] the dropdowns are slightly confusing, as they don't appear for all "tabs" === robotgeek files bug === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-48-21.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-51-42.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as9879.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-51-42.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-51-42.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:09] hi all [07:10] salut Madpilot [07:10] hallo [07:12] Madpilot: sick, but funny humour --> http://www.um.com.au/gallipoli.html [07:13] Burgundavia, oh boy. Does it actually run? [07:13] not tried it [07:14] but unlike lemmings, you get points by killing your men === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] well, of course. An authentic WW1 game should :P === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:22] Madpilot: I am annoyed I am going to be missing LWNW [07:22] yeah, but you'll be making money and exploring exciting Oklahoma! :P [07:22] we should meet if you will coming around NY :) [07:23] robotgeek, I thought you were in Texas? [07:23] Madpilot: i moved to NJ [07:23] not likely to be on the east coast for a while [07:23] Burgundavia, any of your sales territory in the eastern US? [07:23] further east in the US is Michigan === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn2.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:31] ubuntu-docs just got upgraded, the version number is still 6.04. that's changing to 6.06, right. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@0x50a6bd5e.rdnxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:02] highvoltage, it changes according to which month we're in [11:05] aaaaah [11:06] cool huh? [11:06] must have been dholbach's idea [11:18] Burgwork, you can open odt's in abiword?? awesome news, thanks [11:58] hmm, Brian had a good point on the forums regarding the marketing team thread on the list [11:58] gotta wonder why they didn't do that in the first place [11:59] yes, there's no reason to have another separate one [11:59] yep === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as9879.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:01] just spoke to jenda, apparently the forums won't support them, they asked for that when they first started [01:01] kind of stinks if you ask me [01:02] rob, maybe they didn't approach them in the right way [01:03] maybe [01:04] heh yeah [01:28] rob! that's not the way it is - that's just the way it started [01:29] anyway - I said we would consider it :) [01:29] did you ask them or just set up your own forum, then ask? [01:30] I have a _lot_ on my shoulders studying and Lloyd fighting SWpats in Ireland - so give us time :) [01:30] it would be quite easy for the forums to add a "marketing" section, actually they probably have something similar already [01:30] mdke, yes, and they might just have === rob looks [01:31] there is a Ubuntu art forum at least.. [01:31] it's pretty tricky to find forums now with the new layout... [01:31] they definitely should add a marketing/advocacy forum [01:32] mdke, rob - please let us make a decision before we do anything :) We have a good forum worknig at the moment. [01:32] http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=78 [01:32] what the heck? Ubuntu User Guide forum? [01:32] rob, that's the old ubuntuguide.org forum [01:34] apparently not: http://easylinux.info/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper [01:34] that is now replaced, I think by easylinux.info === rob bashes head into wall [01:35] make the bad man stop! [01:35] rob, that's the new (updated) ubuntuguide [01:37] yeah, and its just as locked down too (looks like a wiki, smells like a wiki, but won't let you sign up a new account!) [01:37] I think it should be open [01:38] nope, need to be registered to edit, clicking on Create an account or login only gives you the option to log in [01:38] rob: it is a wiki, but AFAIK, closed a bit... it's kinda why I left the project :) === rob slaps easylinux.info and points at http://doc.ubuntu.com [01:39] I really need to get cracking on those ideas from a few weeks ago.. === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:20] I'd like to point the Doc Team's attention to an idea i submitted in the MT (not mine originally): http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=58 [02:20] it concerns shipit - a way to make it more effective. [02:21] by including... what else... a little bit of documentation. === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:33] jenda, posting to the mailing list is the best idea [02:33] k [02:34] someone is going to have to pay for it though [02:34] so include jane on the email [02:37] jenda, ^ [02:37] Hmm... can you give me an address? I have little clue who jane is :) [02:38] erm... [02:38] you have a marketing team which has no contact with Canonical at all? [02:38] I'm not the contact :) [02:38] ok [02:38] And Lloyd Hardy would know more. [02:38] most marketing is done within Canonical, so I kinda assumed the group would be tightly integrated [02:39] it's jane.silber@canonical.com [02:39] In fact, I was thinking it would be better to present Canonical/shipit with a ready made booklet - don't worry, it wouldn't be wasted work even if they refuse. [02:39] thanks. === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:58] hey fellas, http://www.conglomerate.org/ [04:59] hi trappist [04:59] hey mdke [04:59] I'm just now getting started on the serverguide :/ [05:00] trappist, that's great! [05:00] wait, should I check out the new branch? what's going on with that? [05:00] yes, do everything in the branch [05:01] it's not so big, 40 meg or so [05:01] got a svn co url? === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:01] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper [05:01] thanks [05:02] 14M here [05:02] just check out everything from https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos :) [05:02] oh, even better [05:02] jjesse, heh, that takes a _long_ time. [05:03] i did it this morning, so frustrating to see all the crap we have hanging around [05:03] mdke: grin i know [05:03] we should get rid of "vendor" and "branches/froud" i think [05:03] agreed on the branches/froud [05:20] any of you guys have a non-dhcp ethernet device and want to share your /etc/network/interfaces with me to use as an example? [05:21] sure hold on [05:23] trappist: how does this look :http://pastebin.com/657790 [05:23] jjesse: that'll get me started, thanks === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp232-141.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda-away [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:50] hi jenda [05:50] hello... just blew a fuse - otherwise, I wasn't away :) [05:57] mdke: new network configuration section is committed [05:57] trappist, awesome! [05:59] trappist, ok, i tested postfix yesterday and it works, so what's next? do we want to try and get in his suggestions about referring to upstream documentation for every apache directive? [05:59] it might be a bit tricky, because sometimes there is more than one directive per paragraph [06:00] mdke: I think it could be made less intrusive by changing directive names to ulinks to their respective pages [06:00] trappist, that would work, if we introduce the idea in the introduction. nice idea [06:01] mdke: I've been getting my butt kicked at work this week. I'm sorta pushing it, taking the time to do the network configuration just now. I can see about getting to apache this evening, if you haven't done it by then. [06:02] trappist, I think I can do it. I've got the day off today [06:02] sweet [06:02] is launchpad down? [06:02] all of Ubuntu is down [06:02] suck === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] trappist, do you think the apache changes are important? It has occurred to me that a lot of long strings will be changed, some translation may be lost. Not sure whether it will be worth it. [06:09] mdke: I think that's a good call. I think it's a great idea but not worth messing with or delaying the translators. [06:10] trappist, I'm going to look at the state of translations when LP comes back up, then we'll see [06:10] any word on why it's down? [06:11] [16:59:51] < Kinnison> DC appears to have dropped off the 'net [06:12] ah, back [06:13] trappist, hmm. some people have made a fair start on it, but nothing too big [06:14] my thinking is, we refer to the top level of the apache docs (iirc) and the items for individual config directives are easy to find from there, so it's a good idea, but I still dunno if it's worth a string freeze exception [06:15] let's leave it [06:15] is anything else not working in the guide? [06:15] I'd have to look back at those emails... [06:16] there was something brief on the firewall bit [06:16] yeah I'm looking at it now [06:18] I actually sort of disagree with him on his suggestion. his rules cast a wider net, which is ok and potentially simpler, but it's also slightly less secure and incur unnecessary overhead by masquerading packets that don't need it [06:19] like packets originating from the firewall box [06:20] oh, actually it doesn't do that, nm. I think I'll put it in the same category - good suggestion, but not an error correction or anything major enough for a string freeze exception. that's my vote. [06:20] ok, fine [06:21] ok, everything else is fixed, I think [06:21] yes === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:28] great [06:30] mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Listiquette <-- excellent [06:33] mdke: I've heard it suggested that when you remove text from an attributed quote, you should replace the removed text with something like "[snip] " to avoid confusion about context. what do you think? [06:36] trappist, sure, that's good practice, I think === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-50.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.70] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:43] mdke, is there a way to force the logout of another user on the system [08:43] Burgwork, no idea dude, sorry [08:44] you must be able to do it, I just don't know how [08:44] yeah, maybe someone in #ubuntu will know === Burgwork braves #ubuntu [08:45] Burgwork: If they're ssh'd in you can kill the pid of their ssh session [08:45] logged in directly [08:50] could kill the pid of their shell [09:04] hmm [09:13] trappist, how would I go about finding that? [09:14] ps aux | grep username ? [09:15] can I kill their gnome-session? [09:15] oh, that kind of login... [09:15] he'll probably have lots of stuff running as him [09:15] ps -u$username would be the 'canonical' way to do that, I believe. [09:15] yep [09:16] dsas: good call [09:16] Burgwork: it would probably be unsafe unless there's some kind of logout signal gnome would accept [09:16] and I don't know if there's such a thing [09:16] hmm, just did that [09:17] I don;t know that that killed xscreensaver, which is eating the cpu [09:18] if you're worried about xscreensaver, why not just kill xscreensaver? [09:19] hmm, now I don't know what is happening [09:19] cpu usage is spiked at 100%, with top claiming that this is X doing it. Usually that means xscreensaver is running a 3d screensaver on these radeon 7000s === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1-as4336.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lguerra [i=baltimor@201.236.214.195] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-14-50.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:01] http://www.mdke.org/images/l10n.png [10:02] sexy [10:03] mdke: ++ [10:04] hot [10:05] shiny === Burgwork bangs off another email to fix an reference to Ubuntu Linux, this time with LWN === sebpayne [n=Seb@i-195-137-120-148.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] crap === mdke swears at xml2po === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:42] god. It's a dark day when your goddam terminal crashes === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6E10.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F6E10.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [11:28] LaserJock, http://mdke.org/images/package.png [11:30] mdke: that is soo cool [11:30] :) [11:30] mdke: do you use translate.sh to do that? [11:30] yes === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206365.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:32] LaserJock: hi [11:33] hi theCore [11:33] theCore: check out http://mdke.org/images/package.png [11:34] is it the Packaging Guide? [11:34] yep [11:34] in Japanese? [11:34] woah! [11:35] hmm, not sure my guess is Korean or Chinese [11:35] korean yeah [11:35] theCore: the details are at: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/packagingguide/ [11:36] they translate faster than we write :) [11:36] a lot faster [11:36] but there are a lot of translations to do as well [11:37] I talked to raphink (who is a core-dev and MOTU) about translations (he is doing French) and he said it was really hard [11:37] even though he knew the material [11:38] the guide or to translate? [11:38] translate [11:38] he also wrote some [11:38] fhew [11:39] theCore: can you translate? [11:39] yes I could [11:39] what languages do you know (English obviously) [11:39] but not now, I got a family supper today [11:40] French [11:40] ah, yes of course [11:40] I see mdke did some Italian :-) [11:41] no German though, which seems odd [11:42] I wish I could speak Italian ... [11:42] LaserJock, only like a string, was just testing something [11:42] ahhhh [11:42] mdke: actually 3 strings it looks like ;-) === mdke has finished with svn for now [11:43] heh, keep telling yourself that ;-) [11:43] aboutubuntu and aboutkubuntu aren't working, I've had to file a bug on xml2po [11:43] :( [11:43] everything else seems to work very nicely [11:43] Launchpad interface for translating is ugly [11:43] LaserJock, that's ok, the xml2po guy is a GOD, he will sort it quickly [11:44] cvs xml2po even has an "ubuntu mode" since I asked him about something that xml2po couldn't do [11:45] Hmm ... I can't translate, because I'm not an ``official'' translator. [11:46] mdke: wow, cool [11:46] theCore: I think you can [11:46] you can make suggestions [11:46] but it probably has to be review first or something like that [11:48] ok, I see [11:50] I must go now [11:51] cya later [11:52] mdke: I'd like to say thanks for all the leadership and help you have provided, you have really inspired me to be a part of the doc team :-) [11:53] LaserJock, aww. thanks, it's been great to have you on board! [11:53] this release cycle has been awesome for new contributors, it's been really exciting [11:54] LaserJock, in your case, you joining has meant an extra doc, so :) [11:55] well, I'm hoping to be able to help with all the docs for Dapper+1 [11:55] that would be great [11:56] I'm not a writer and I have a lot to learn, but I really enjoy this team [11:57] that's made my day [11:58] well, seeing something I have written be translated before my eyes into so many languages and to have it go out to so many people [11:58] it's amazing and humbling at the same time [12:00] yeah it is pretty cool. I hope lots of translations get done