=== pombred1 [n=pombreda@c-67-164-68-30.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === pietrus [n=pietro@dsl027-180-124.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === pombred1 is now known as pombreda === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-091-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-java === CuriousCat [i=CuriousC@ipdial-178-214.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-java === Terminus [n=justin@210.213.132.149] has joined #ubuntu-java === _pip [n=pip@221.234.211.112] has joined #ubuntu-java [03:31] <_pip> hello! [03:31] <_pip> why so few people here ? [03:32] hello _pip :) [03:35] <_pip> CuriousCat: May I say good morning ? [03:36] well, it's evening here on my end. But if it's morning on yours, it's ok. :) [03:36] <_pip> CuriousCat: Oh, you are wrong .here China! [03:37] ah! :) Then good evening! We're more or less in the same time zone [03:37] Give or take an hour [03:37] <_pip> CuriousCat: the same time zone ? really ? good evening === CuriousCat is from the philippines [03:38] <_pip> CuriousCat: are you in Aisa [03:38] yup. GMT+8 [03:38] <_pip> CuriousCat: haha! [03:38] <_pip> CuriousCat: Correct [03:38] <_pip> CuriousCat: your Eng is perfect [03:38] Thank you. :) [03:39] <_pip> CuriousCat: do you speak Chinese ? [03:40] Nope. Sorry. :) [03:40] <_pip> CuriousCat: let's talk about Java ,shall we ? [03:41] :) [03:42] <_pip> CuriousCat: How long have you used java for development? [03:43] About five to six years. :) [03:43] Training and development. Mostly on web applications [03:44] <_pip> CuriousCat: you are an expert on Java. : ) [03:44] <_pip> CuriousCat: how do you find Java ? [03:45] LOL! I don't think i'm still good enough to be called an expert. I do what I can. :) === _pip [n=pip@221.234.211.112] has joined #ubuntu-java [03:46] hi again! [03:46] Like i said earlier, I don't think i'm still good enough to be called an expert. I do what I can. :) [03:47] <_pip> CuriousCat: how did you learn java at first ? [03:47] Forced self-study for a project. :) It was a paradigm shift for me considering that I was once using Visual Basic 6. LOL! [03:48] <_pip> CuriousCat: I think you must know C# ,so what'is your opinion about C# and Java? [03:49] anybody want pizza for dinner? :) [03:49] <_pip> CuriousCat: OK! I am going to learn from you! [03:49] <_pip> Terminus: pizza is good ,but how much ? [03:49] I've seen a bit of C# but not most of it. So I don't really have enough knowledge to make a comparison between the two languages. Except that they're fairly similar in notation so it's a bit easy to switch between the two. === CuriousCat hugs Terminus [03:50] You take care of the pizza. I'll take care of the drinks. ;) [03:50] <_pip> CuriousCat: I see! [03:50] _pip: i've got one on my bed. :) [03:50] CuriousCat: awww... === Terminus hugs back [03:50] <_pip> CuriousCat: IN fact I am joking! [03:50] i hate virtual meals. hehe [03:50] Terminus, i have wine and softdrinks chilling in the fridge. :D [03:50] <_pip> Terminus: me too@1 [03:51] <_pip> Terminus: Hi! you are hormous . [03:51] CuriousCat: can i have virtual wine then? =)) [03:51] hi there _pip. i'm what? :) [03:51] Terminus, what kind? :D [03:52] <_pip> Terminus: humors [03:52] <_pip> Terminus: sorry! : ) [03:52] _pip: i see. hehe [03:52] CuriousCat: i don't really know much about wine. is red wine enough info for you? hehe [03:52] <_pip> Terminus: are you American ? [03:53] _pip: nope. i'm a few hundred kilometers south of CuriousCat [03:53] <_pip> Terminus: Good evening! [03:53] Terminus, sweet red wine? dry red wine? Chardonay or California Red? :D [03:54] _pip: good evening to you too. :) [03:54] <_pip> Terminus: Why do you two speak perfect English ? [03:55] CuriousCat: i give up. i'll take the virtual water. tap water is good. i don't want to get into a discussion of the variations regarding bottled water. :p [03:55] <_pip> Terminus: I admire your spoken-English! [03:56] _pip: thanks. we're just used to it i guess... [03:56] _pip: on the other hand, i can't speak mandarin, japanese, or any other language. hehe [03:56] Well, on my end, English is my first language thanks to my Dad, Sesame Street and Electric Company (yeah, i'm old) [03:56] <_pip> Terminus: Chinese ,do you? [03:57] _pip: nope. [03:57] <_pip> Terminus: ) I think there are many Chinese people in your country,right? [03:58] _pip, quite a lot I suppose. [03:59] <_pip> CuriousCat: I am younger than you I think . I am a college student. [04:00] most likely younger. :) [04:00] <_pip> CuriousCat: let's go on Java topic. The most important thing on Java I want to understand is the thought of object-oriented! [04:02] _pip, ok. Ask away. :) [04:02] <_pip> CuriousCat: how do you find object-oriented language programming like Java ? [04:03] Are you asking if I like the way Java implements OO? [04:03] <_pip> CuriousCat: I think few developers can understand the thought deeply though they can code a lot@ [04:04] well, it helps when you know some design patterns when dealing with OO. [04:05] <_pip> CuriousCat: I don't know design patterns . [04:05] <_pip> CuriousCat:should I learn design patterns firstly? [04:06] <_pip> CuriousCat: I read something about dp ,but it is so abstruse! [04:07] _pip, learn the basics of OO first. Then take a look at the design patterns. Try searching for "Gang of Four" in google. [04:07] <_pip> CuriousCat: roger! [04:08] I have an old one here from James W. Cooper ("The Design Patterns Java Companion") which is a big help as well. :) [04:09] <_pip> CuriousCat: Book ? [04:09] yup. [04:09] <_pip> CuriousCat: I even can't design a good class! [04:10] lol! takes some getting used to. :) But the design patterns should help you with class designs. [04:11] <_pip> CuriousCat: I would have seen you in the past! [04:11] _pip, hmm? How come? :) [04:12] <_pip> CuriousCat: hehe~~~: ) [04:15] <_pip> CuriousCat: will you come to China 2008? [04:16] if i have the funds for it, why not? :) [04:17] i'd love to see the olympics LIVE for once. haha! [04:18] <_pip> CuriousCat: welcome [04:18] <_pip> CuriousCat: By then wo could meet each other! [04:19] _pip, here's the design patterns from James W Cooper: http://www.patterndepot.com/put/8/JavaPatterns.htm [04:19] <_pip> CuriousCat: GangoffFour [04:22] _pip, this one also good: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596007124/ref=pd_bxgy_text_b/002-4895432-6679245?%5Fencoding=UTF8 [04:22] <_pip> CuriousCat: Is it sold in CHina? [04:22] i'm not sure. I guess there would be, somehow [04:23] <_pip> CuriousCat: The name of the book is Design Patterns,right ? [04:23] yes [04:24] <_pip> CuriousCat: I see! I can buy it nearby here [04:24] :) [04:26] <_pip> CuriousCat: what kind of cpmputer do you have ? [04:26] _pip, http://tuxmobil.org/asus_l4500r.html [04:28] <_pip> CuriousCat: many thanks! [04:28] no problem. :) [04:32] <_pip> CuriousCat: I am going to buy a new laptop . [04:33] What a coincidence! So am I! :) [04:33] <_pip> CuriousCat: the one I am using isn't good ,especially its graphic card is not good! [04:34] <_pip> CuriousCat: So ,as you like ,which one will you choose! [04:35] _pip, read it in my blog (http://thegeekettespeaketh.pinoyweb.net). I've been writing about it for a couple of weeks. Look under the ones with the title "Geek Obssessed" [04:36] <_pip> CuriousCat: Besides java programing ,I hava other hobbies,such as playing with visual machine(software) which call for a high perfoermancy speed working!@ [04:36] <_pip> CuriousCat: with pleasure : ) [04:37] :D [04:44] <_pip> CuriousCat: I can't open if ,I think the my network is slow! [04:44] ah! that's ok. :) [04:49] <_pip> CuriousCat: do you use Xchat ? [04:50] yup. i'm using it now [04:50] <_pip> CuriousCat: now I am using kubuntu. [04:50] <_pip> CuriousCat: so it is konversation as its default IRC client [04:51] ah! [04:52] <_pip> CuriousCat: KDE runs slow than gnome! so I am going to change it into ubuntu in a few days! [05:00] <_pip> CuriousCat: I have to leave now ,see you later! [05:00] <_pip> CuriousCat: nice meeting you! [05:00] ok! bye! 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