[07:59] <robitaille> @schedule us/pacific
[07:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 07:00: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu
[07:59] <robitaille> @topic
[08:00] <robitaille> @schedule us/pacific
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Pacific: 13 Apr 07:00: Dapper Development Status | 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 06:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 13:00: Technical Board
[09:57] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[09:57] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 13 Apr 17:00: Dapper Development Status | 19 Apr 00:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 23:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 23:00: Technical Board
[03:54] <mdz> everyone here?
[03:54] <pitti> heya
[03:55] <Kamion> Kinnison called me to say that he may not make it due to networking problems
[03:55] <Kamion> (here, obviously)
[03:56] <mdz> fabbione,Keybuk,mvo,doko,infinity,Riddell,Mithrandir,iwj,ogra: ping
[03:56] <mdz> I think some folks may be on  vacation; I don't have a list handy
[03:57] <Kamion> iwj and fabbione both are
[03:57] <pitti> infinity already left, too
[03:57] <BenC> mdz: pong
[03:57] <mdz> BenC: saw you come in ;-)
[03:57] <BenC> ok :)
[03:57] <ogra> hey, still 3 mins to go :)
[03:58] <doko> mdz here
[03:58] <JaneW> is everyone here?
[03:58] <JaneW> I have apologies for 4 ppl fabbione, infinity, Mithrandir and iwj
[03:59] <mdz> JaneW: can you forward those to me in advance when you receive them? would save a  bit of time
[03:59] <mdz> still expecting Keybuk and Riddell
[03:59] <Riddell> hi mdz 
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: sure
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: should I do so now?
[03:59] <mdz> JaneW: sure, thanks
[03:59] <JaneW> mdz: I have no update from iwj though
[04:00] <JaneW> gah phones are ringing...
[04:00] <JaneW> hi Kinnison 
[04:01] <Kinnison> Hi, I'm back
[04:01] <Kinnison> blasted pobox
[04:01] <Kamion> just in time
[04:01] <Kinnison> aye
[04:02] <mdz> texted Keybuk, let's get started
[04:02] <mdz> seb128: ready?
[04:02] <Riddell> mdz: I think kwwii will have a report too
[04:02] <seb128> This week: GNOME 2.14.1, some bug triage, patches review, fixed a bunch of issues on the desktop
[04:02] <seb128> . 
[04:02] <seb128> next week: keep triaging bugs and fixes issues on the desktop, trying candidates for dapper beta CD
[04:03] <mdz> is 2.14.1 done, or is there more to go?
[04:03] <pitti> hey Keybuk 
[04:03] <seb128> mdz: still gdm to upload, out of that it's done
[04:03] <mdz> great
[04:03] <mdz> seb128: any bugs which should be on the radar for beta/
[04:03] <mdz> ?
[04:03] <seb128> no, no blocker
[04:03] <seb128> rather a list of annoyances which would be nice to fix for dapper
[04:04] <seb128> but no stopper
[04:04] <mdz> ok, if you come across any (for beta or final), go ahead and set a 6.06 milestone so that I see it
[04:04] <seb128> I've used milestone quite often in fact
[04:04] <mdz> ok
[04:05] <seb128> but I use it as a "we should look at that for dapper"
[04:05] <seb128> not "we have to fix it"
[04:05] <mdz> I've used it for both nice to fix and for blockers
[04:05] <doko> mdz: milestones for RC reports only?
[04:05] <mdz> we can distinguish by severity I suppose
[04:05] <seb128> right
[04:05] <mdz> doko: I see it as a sort of "relevant to the release" tag at this point, so it's more than just RC
[04:06] <mdz> also small stuff which may not be a showstopper, but should definitely be looked at for the release
[04:06] <doko> ok
[04:06] <mdz> e.g., cosmetic issues which are easy to fix but might otherwise be forgotten
[04:06] <mdz> thanks seb128
[04:06] <mdz> Riddell: next?
[04:06] <Riddell> done: KDE Espresso
[04:06] <Riddell> also: fixes to kpdf, kaffeine, openoffice. testing CUPS and kdeprint
[04:06] <Riddell> blocked: anyone want to help me get scim/skim working so can test doko's fix on amd64?
[04:06] <Riddell> todo: kde espresso: add map widget page, quite a few fixes to qt parted.  looking good for beta release
[04:07] <Riddell> s/page//, the page is fine, it's just missing a pretty map
[04:07] <mdz> Riddell: I need for you to spend some solid time in malone before beta, to check for bugs which may need attention for beta
[04:08] <Riddell> mdz: I agree but so far I've treated espresso as my priority
[04:08] <mdz> right, if it's in good functional shape for  beta, the polish can wait until after beta
[04:09] <mdz> the rest of the system needs attention also
[04:09] <mdz> if there is someone we can recruit to help you with that, talk with me
[04:09] <Riddell> true, I'll try and get espresso into a shape I'm happy with by end of tomorrow so I can do bug fixes next week
[04:09] <Riddell> help with bugs or espresso?
[04:10] <mdz> but the bug list is huge and I'm concerned there may be some surprises lurking there
[04:10] <mdz> Riddell: either way, to get more attention on bugs
[04:10] <mdz> Riddell: mvo has familiarized himself with scim and may be able to help there
[04:11] <Riddell> people with kubuntu, debconf and pykde knowledge are very rare.  bug fixers I can think of though
[04:11] <mvo> Riddell: can we talk about scim/skim after the meeting?
[04:11] <mdz> Riddell: ok, thanks
[04:11] <Riddell> mvo: sure, please
[04:11] <mvo> Riddell: it should work (after the latest uploads) out of the box on kubuntu again
[04:12] <Kamion> I expect the level of debconf knowledge required now is a bit less than was required when we were building the infrastructure
[04:12] <mdz> kwwii: Riddell mentioned that you might have something prepared to present here?
[04:12] <kwwii> mdz: yepp, might not be so impressive, but here goes
[04:12] <kwwii> I have touched up the wallpaper (made it a bit lighter) and am working on a color scheme to fit well with the new wallpaper.
[04:12] <kwwii> Finishing work on new buttons for the window decoration
[04:12] <kwwii> My goal for next week for Kubuntu is to finish all three of these things, since they rely so heavily on another, and get them packaged so that they can be tested.
[04:12] <kwwii> After that I'll touch up the KDM theme to match (2 buttons, bg color, etc.)
[04:13] <Riddell> (kwwii is Ken Wimer, doing the Kubuntu Dapper artwork and some ubuntu artwork for those who don't know)
[04:13] <kwwii> in addition to all that, we need to finish the Usplash stuff for *buntu
[04:13] <mdz> kwwii: with a goal of having them in place for beta?
[04:13] <kwwii> mdz: when exaclty is the deadline? but, yes, that was my idea
[04:14] <mdz> kwwii: we'll start rolling candidates on Tuesday
[04:14] <kwwii> cool, I should have something by then
[04:14] <kwwii> all up to the kdm theme, unless I get a lot of time on the weekend :-)
[04:14] <ogra> kwwii, are you also responsible for the edubuntu artwork ? 
[04:15] <mdz> kwwii: I don't know if Jane or Mark already discussed this wih you, but we'd like to have the text 'beta' sprinkled around so that it shows up in press screenshots, etc., and avoids confusion about the nature of this release
[04:15] <kwwii> mdz: great idea, I will add that to the pic
[04:15] <mdz> kwwii: usplash, login background, login splash, etc., the stuff which is likely to be screenshotted
[04:16] <mdz> kwwii: great, thanks
[04:16] <kwwii> ogra: not responsible, no, but I have talked to some people to try and help a bit :-)
[04:16] <mdz> pitti: next?
[04:16] <kwwii> mdz: who can tell me what info is corret?
[04:16] <kwwii> wait!
[04:16] <kwwii> pone second
[04:16] <kwwii>  :-)
[04:16] <kwwii> one
[04:16] <JaneW> kwwii: that would be nice if we could get some edubuntu help
[04:16] <kwwii> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Usplash/Artwork
[04:16] <kwwii> is that info right?
[04:16] <mdz> kwwii: we have a very tight time table for this meeting and 17 people need to present; we can't spend more than a few minutes with anyone
[04:17] <kwwii> JaneW: cool, I'll do what I can
[04:17] <mdz> kwwii: I'll look at it after the meeting, ok?
[04:17] <kwwii> mdz: ok, sorry
[04:17] <kwwii> mdz: sure, thanks :-)
[04:17] <mdz> pitti: ?
[04:17] <pitti> reducing-duplication: got rid of some gtk1.2 dependencies, but some are still there; no other progress
[04:17] <pitti> general stuff done this week:
[04:17] <pitti>  * security updates
[04:17] <pitti>  * bug triage and bug fixing
[04:17] <pitti>  * cupsys: had much fun with preparing 1.2rc2 packages, requested testing them on u-devel before asking to put it into dapper; also improved cooperation with Debian a lot to reduce our delta and maintain it sanely in revision control now; my plan is to get this into dapper ASAP and then fix the remaining bugs in 1.2rc2 to get help from upstream
[04:17] <pitti>  * KDE printing: got a friend of mine to look into the issue; he found a number of issues in kdeprint which break stuff; sent a preliminary patch to Riddell to make printing with our cups work at all, more stuff to come
[04:17] <pitti>  * new language packs
[04:17] <pitti>  * espresso testing (I declare myself as Kamion's official test suite - if it will finally work for me, it must work everywhere :) )
[04:17] <pitti> plan for next week:
[04:17] <pitti>  * huge security update: ffox 1.0.8 and friends; iwj agreed to help me with that
[04:17] <pitti>  * making baby jesus cry harder about cups and its bugs
[04:17] <pitti>  * attempt to fix some long-standing ALSA related bugs
[04:17] <pitti>  * look into other bugs (dhcp3 needs some love, too)
[04:17] <pitti>  * catch up with bug triage
[04:18] <mdz> pitti: did you and iwj look at gs?
[04:18] <pitti> mdz: not yet, sorry; I was just swamped
[04:18] <mdz> no worries
[04:18] <pitti> mdz: your idea is to get rid of gs-gpl and just keep -esp or so?
[04:18] <mdz> pitti: please wait until after beta freeze for the new cups unless there are showstopper bugs for beta
[04:19] <pitti> mdz: wrt kde and printing, would you be fine if that friend of mine claims the bounty if he fixes some stuff?
[04:19] <mdz> pitti: only if we arrange in advance; there is no posted bounty
[04:19] <pitti> mdz: yes, of course; I thought I have the new cups tested for some days, and upload it right after beta release
[04:20] <mdz> pitti: ok, you did say ASAP ;-)
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: sure, we'll prepare a writeup
[04:20] <mdz> pitti: how do the numbers look on the new langpacks?
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: yes, I don't consider it a good idea to upload it for beta :)
[04:20] <mdz> are the rosetta exports more complete?
[04:20] <pitti> mdz: still merging with my buildd data; rosetta still lags, mainly wrt KDE
[04:21] <mdz> pitti: please find out from carlos if we can get better exports for beta
[04:21] <pitti> mdz: a bit, but not significantly still around 30% coverage
[04:21] <pitti> yep, will do
[04:21] <mdz> ok, thanks pitti
[04:21] <mdz> ogra: next?
[04:21] <ogra> * general:  g-s-s flickering hunted down and fixed. worked on the ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting (sadly the fifo lets ltsp-build-client die, i'm still investigating, seems the frontend is to slow). further edubuntu and ltsp doc stuff. more small bugs killed. cleaning up malone from fixed but unclosed bugs on my list
[04:21] <ogra> * next-week: bughunt. getting edubuntu and ltsp documentation into the default edubuntu install. still waiting for artwork from the design company. making the last changes to ltsp and the ltsp-client-builder.udeb (i.e. making dhcpd.conf not a conffile to not break on upgrades). final xscreensaver stuff. preparing edubuntu for beta release
[04:22] <mdz> ltsp-client-builder progress reporting?
[04:22] <mdz> was that part of a feature speC?
[04:22] <ogra> nope, thats was a leftover from breezy
[04:22] <ogra> currently the progressbar has only 3 steps
[04:23] <ogra> i can leave it like that, doesnt hurt, but i'd prefer to have it proper for dapper 
[04:23] <mdz> what's involved?
[04:23] <ogra> having a proper fifo pipe from ltsp-build-client to the UI
[04:23] <mdz> ack
[04:23] <mdz> that's pre-featurefreeze sort of stuff
[04:23] <ogra> apparently the pipe dies before the reading starts 
[04:24] <mdz> please defer to post-dapper and concentrate on bugs
[04:24] <ogra> i'll do it anyway in the devel branch, if you dont want it in, we can postpone, as i said its only ugly
[04:24] <ogra> ok
[04:25] <mdz> ogra: who is your contact for the edubuntu artwork? silbs?
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:25] <mdz> and she doesn't return until tuesday, hrm
[04:25] <ogra> i had a preview of the artwork and adjusted the other ui elements accordingly
[04:25] <mdz> she said she could accept calls, though, I'll try her
[04:25] <ogra> but then she said they would probably change the whole colouring, which i'm not really fond of
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: any beta blocker bugs for edubuntu, ensure that they have a 6.06 milestone set
[04:26] <ogra> sine then i havent heard anything
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: I'll call her
[04:26] <JaneW> but we weren;t really given a date for the final stuff...
[04:26] <JaneW> beyond the deadlines
[04:26] <ogra> no blockers 
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: including any which turn up over the next days ;-)
[04:26] <mdz> ogra: thanks
[04:26] <ogra> :)
[04:26] <mdz> mvo: next?
[04:27] <mvo> Did:
[04:27] <mvo> - update-manager updates (added --check-dist-upgrades), various bugfixes
[04:27] <mvo> - gksu/update-manager breezy-backport uploaded, fixing a few remarks from kamion (will upload again right after the meeting)
[04:27] <mvo> - CJK+thai work (input methods uploads, ff with better libthai support)
[04:27] <mvo> - fixed some startup-notifcation releated problems
[04:27] <mvo> - general bugtriage + bugfixing (notitication-daemon size-miscacluations, gksu passes http_proxy on now, etc)
[04:27] <mvo> Will do:
[04:27] <mvo> - more bugfixing/bug triage (still lacking behind)
[04:27] <mvo> - dist-upgrade tool work (make it more robust)
[04:27] <mvo> - looking into the state of apt (open patches etc)
[04:27] <mvo> Blocked:
[04:27] <mvo> - sysadmin setup for the auto-dist-upgrade
[04:27] <mdz> mvo: please prepare instructions for doing a breezy->dapper upgrade using the tool, for inclusion in the beta release announcement
[04:27] <mdz> mvo: we'll do a major call for upgrade testing there
[04:28] <mvo> mdz: ok, it's just "update-manager -d"
[04:28] <mvo> but I'll write up something more appropriate
[04:28] <mdz> mvo: speaking of startup-notification, espresso really needed that the last time I looked
[04:28] <mdz> it takes a long time to load from the live CD and there was no feedback
[04:28] <mvo> mdz: ok, I can talk to kamion about it 
[04:28] <mdz> thanks
[04:28] <mvo> cheers
[04:29] <JaneW> Mithrandir
[04:29] <JaneW> misc: vacation, polished the live cds, fixing bugs in casper, bug
[04:29] <JaneW>  triage on xkb problems, other general bug triage. Started
[04:29] <JaneW>  looking at popcon
[04:29] <JaneW> next week: more vacation, fix popcon, beta release
[04:29] <JaneW> blocked: no 
[04:29] <mdz> ok
[04:29] <mdz> is he on holiday?
[04:29] <JaneW> yes today, fri and monday
[04:29] <JaneW> he was working this morning though
[04:30] <mdz> ok, back tues
[04:30] <mdz> thanks
[04:30] <mdz> Kinnison: online?
[04:30] <Kinnison> yep
[04:31] <Kinnison> gnome-power-manager: Preparing 2.14.1 (bugfixes from upstream), not finished it yet
[04:31] <Kinnison> launchpad: Got test suite merged for soyuz upload checks. Helped cprov track down issue with duplicated origs. Manually got python-vte into main in breezy-updates. (solves the immediate issue in 36022). Got dist-upgrader signing merged.
[04:31] <Kinnison> publisher: d-i pocket support is done, I need to get it merged.
[04:31] <Kinnison> general: Lots of bug work on random bugs assigned to me. Various uploads made to correct as many of them as I can.
[04:31] <Kinnison> lp-ongoing: Merge d-i pocket support (trivial). Finish the resolution of the duplicated orig.tar.gzs, need to talk with Kamion about this once I have the info.
[04:31] <Kinnison> distro-ongoing: Still need to try and resolve gparted ui bug. Continue squashing the bugs handed to me in general. Get g-p-m 2.14.1 in and continue finding cherrypicks for upstream.
[04:31] <Kinnison> bug-status: I have a large buglist for gnome-power-manager which could do with some serious love. Hopefully I'll have a block of time to dedicate to this next week.
[04:31] <Kinnison> [end] 
[04:32] <mdz> when is the next bug day? today? tomorrow?
[04:32] <seb128> today
[04:32] <Kamion> any particular gparted UI bug, or do you mean the UI bug called gparted? :-)
[04:32] <mdz> Kinnison: ubuntu-laptop would be a good theme for a bug day, though it'll have to be after beta
[04:32] <Kinnison> Kamion: "the ui bug" is the "not refreshing properly" one
[04:32] <Kamion> ah yes
[04:32] <Kinnison> mdz: Aye it would.
[04:32] <Kinnison> dholbach: can you and I talk about that?
[04:32] <mdz> Kinnison: coordinate with dholbach on that
[04:32] <dholbach> i'll prepare an announce for next time
[04:33] <mdz> ;-)
[04:33] <mdz> dholbach: what's today's theme?
[04:33] <dholbach> KERNEL HUGS!
[04:33] <mdz> how is that working out?
[04:33] <dholbach> there has been some clean up going on, but people were a bit uncoordinated due to lack of kernel people
[04:33] <mdz> are people basically working from the kernel team's +subscribedbugs?
[04:33] <dholbach> old needsinfo bugs were cleaned out this morning
[04:34] <dholbach> +packagebugs is a bit more comprehensive
[04:34] <dholbach> i hope all the kernel guys pop in soon and give directions
[04:34] <Seveas> urgh, so far I failed to attend all hug days
[04:35] <ogra> Seveas, there are bugs between the hugdays ;)
[04:35] <dholbach> #ubuntu-bugs now! everybody! :-)
[04:35] <BenC> I didn't know you needed any one :)
[04:35] <mdz> BenC: now that we have daytime in the US, please spend time there
[04:35] <mdz> should be a great opportunity to get help asking for more info on bugs, and trying to confirm
[04:36] <mdz> Kinnison: thanks
[04:36] <mdz> Keybuk: next?
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * lots of bug fixing
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * have rookery finding packages relying on /var/run/* and /var/lock/*; as well as using obsolete directories like /etc/hotplug
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * doing main uploads to fix those myself, and going to do a mass-filing on universe
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * started ftp admin work after getting lessons from colin
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * dpkg 2 docs
[04:36] <BenC> yeah, so far the help has been really great
[04:36] <Keybuk>  * bad bug found in udev that should be fixed before release: calls ifup with the old interface name after renaming it
[04:36] <BenC> the trivial bugs is what is slowing me down
[04:36] <mdz> BenC: trivial impact or trivial to fix?
[04:37] <mdz> BenC: for the former, downgrade them and prioritize the rest
[04:37] <BenC> it's the perusing of those trivial bugs that slows me down
[04:37] <BenC> I still have to read them :)
[04:37] <mdz> Keybuk: is the /var/run search still running?
[04:37] <Kamion> Keybuk: I'd appreciate help on the openssh bug about /var/run - it seems to be real (had several reports now), and might only happen during the upgrade, so might be an upgrade ordering bug
[04:38] <Kamion> Keybuk: bug 38921 et al
[04:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38921 in openssh openssh-server "Breezy->dapper upgrade missing /var/run/sshd" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38921
[04:38] <Keybuk> mdz: no, I have a list for that one now
[04:38] <Keybuk> Kamion: ok, I'll look into that for you
[04:38] <Kamion> thanks
[04:38] <Kamion> AFAICT the init script is sane
[04:39] <mdz> Keybuk: please also search malone for any /var/run bugs which haven't been tended yet...unfortunately I think the quirks of malone searching make that tricky right now, maybe confer with #launchpad
[04:39] <Keybuk> mdz: all the easy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
[04:40] <Seveas> Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
[04:40] <mdz> cf. bug #29227
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29227 in malone "Searching for "pmu" doesn't find "/dev/pmu"" [Critical,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29227
[04:40] <mdz> the full text indexing breaks up words in unexpected ways sometimes
[04:41] <Keybuk> Seveas: if they're in main, yes
[04:41] <mdz> indeed
[04:41] <mdz> Keybuk: what's the bug# for the udev issue, and is its milestone set?
[04:42] <Keybuk> milestone is set
[04:42] <mdz> ok, I'll see it then
[04:42] <mdz> thanks Keybuk
[04:42] <mdz> Kamion: next?
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-base-system: Keyboard selection now propagated to installed system. choose-mirror/apt-setup done. Selected country propagated to locale selection. I'm calling this implemented now.
[04:42] <Keybuk> ubuntu 38787
[04:42] <Kamion> ue-gnome-ui: Now displays selected country. Hostname defaults improved per discussion at UI sprint. I believe the only thing remaining in this specification is getting a reasonable icon; I've asked the art team for help with that.
[04:42] <Keybuk> bug 38787 even :)
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Belatedly marked implemented; had been wrongly marked as awaiting deployment for a while.
[04:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38787 in udev "add action uses wrong interface name in 85-ifupdown.rules" [Major,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38787
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express-bootloader: Tested and fixed yaboot support. Espresso now finally works on powerpc (after I make today's upload)! Implemented.
[04:42] <Kamion> ubuntu-express: Fixed debconf to notice write errors when saving its databases, which totally wedged espresso if the live CD ran out of memory and was probably the underlying cause of a lot of database corruption bugs.
[04:42] <Kamion> server-candy: Added preseeded kernel override facility to base-installer, which should keep Fabio happy. :-)
[04:42] <Kamion> misc: Uploaded Thai console support patches. Fixed up oem-config a bit so that it at least vaguely works again, but I need to allocate some time post-beta to clean this up some more.
[04:42] <Kamion> next-week: If I have time before beta, I want to fix espresso's reboot step, clean up a few strings, and possibly execute the proposed rename to ubiquity. Vacation from Friday to Tuesday inclusive. Beta preparation on Wednesday and Thursday.
[04:43] <mdz> Kamion: sounds like things are coming together for beta
[04:44] <Kamion> yeah, it's not too bad, still concerned about some partitioning bugs but I think general fixes I've made may have cleared up more of those than is immediately obvious
[04:44] <Kamion> worst problem is basically poor error handling in places
[04:44] <mdz> my primary UI concern the last time I used espresso was that there are several points where there is a lag between the user action and the completion of drawing the next page
[04:45] <mdz> is it possible to get a busy cursor from the time the button is clicked until, e.g. the list of languages is filled?
[04:45] <Kamion> yeah, tricky to fix but I agree that should be addressed for release
[04:45] <Kamion> that should be possible, I just don't want to rock that boat for beta now
[04:45] <mdz> ok. startup-notification would also make a big difference there
[04:45] <Kamion> I may be able to get a busy cursor in places but not completely
[04:45] <mdz> right, agreed
[04:45] <ogra> you can also do ugly things with gtktimeout and gtk_main iteration to keep it "fake responsive"
[04:45] <Kamion> should I do the ubiquity rename before beta or after?
[04:45] <ogra> as a last resort
[04:46] <Kamion> ogra: it's not a UI thread being blocked problem
[04:46] <ogra> ah, k
[04:46] <Kamion> (i.e. is Mark going to turn up on Wednesday and say "why didn't you rename it?" :-))
[04:46] <mdz> is it really that common to run out of space on the live CD? are people using it on low-memory systems?
[04:46] <mdz> Kamion: after beta, please ;-)
[04:46] <Kamion> the tmpfs is only half of memory so it's easy enough if you're doing other stuff
[04:47] <ogra> define low memory :)
[04:47] <mdz> Kamion: if that does happen, please refer him to me
[04:47] <ogra> there are people running the liveCD on 256M
[04:47] <Kamion> happens to me a fair bit when building espresso on the live CD and then running it
[04:47] <Kamion> mdz: ok, thanks
[04:47] <Kamion> (with 512MB of memory)
[04:47] <mdz> thanks Kamion
[04:47] <mdz> JaneW: no note from iwj, right?
[04:47] <JaneW> nope
[04:48] <mdz> infinity?
[04:48] <JaneW> sy fixes have been uploaded, there's a small few which don't have init scripts but rely on /var/run subdirs
[04:48] <JaneW> Seveas Keybuk, should you be subscribed to all /ver/run bugs?
[04:48] <JaneW> oops sorry wrong paste
[04:48] <JaneW> infinity
[04:48] <JaneW> last week buildd: Continued hunting down build failures, got elmo to set up dapper-autotest, which should light up shortly. Investigated some livefs speedups, and livefs build issues on ia64.
[04:48] <JaneW> last week distro: Finished off the mysqlclient transition, including resolving several new build failures, uploaded a glibc with some bugfixes, did some X bugfixing and triaging, new NVIDIA drivers, new Samba.
[04:48] <JaneW> next week buildd: Babysit dapper-autotest and start fixing build failures and/or filing bugs, get livefs up to speed on all architectures in time for beta.
[04:48] <JaneW> next week distro: Get in some critical bugfixes before beta for initramfs-tools, and scrape some Thunderbird branding (been fighting with this off and on) in just under the UI freeze wire.
[04:49] <JaneW> and I have fabbione's too
[04:49] <JaneW> fabbione 
[04:49] <JaneW> server-candy: Missing/buggy: apache2 for "central snakeoil SSL setup" and kernel -server as default from CD install. Big cleanup of the install CD's.
[04:49] <JaneW> * ubuntu-cluster: Fixed one pending bug. No other progresses.
[04:49] <JaneW> * last week: bug squashing.
[04:49] <JaneW> * next week: bug squashing.
[04:49] <mdz> ok
[04:49] <Kamion> fabbione's server-candy blocked list is out of date; see my report
[04:50] <mdz> fabio emailed that earlier in the week I think
[04:50] <mdz> thanks JaneW
[04:50] <Seveas> (there are new ati drivers, infinity will be thrilled about all bugreports to come</sarcasm>)
[04:50] <mdz> heno: next?
[04:50] <heno>  * winfoss: started work on the kubuntu version. It needs a distinct look and some new apps. See: http://people.ubuntu.com/~henrik/winfoss/dapper/kubuntu/
[04:50] <heno>  * accessibility: Tested the newly landed setting on the Live CD today. Some configurations still need some adjustment.
[04:50] <heno>  * xorg: triaging bugs. Got help from Seveas to prepare a script that simplifies the collection of debugging info, esp. on Live CDs
[04:51] <mdz> Kamion: are we already equipped for different winfoss for kubuntu, as far as building CD images?
[04:51] <Riddell> heno: looking nice there
[04:51] <mdz> I didn't realize that was in the works
[04:51] <Riddell> mdz: yes, that happened in breezy
[04:51] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[04:51] <heno> mdz: we've done that each time so far
[04:51] <mdz> shows how often I've put a kubuntu CD into a windows machine ;-)
[04:51] <Riddell> heno: I should give you the version of the logo we're using in dapper
[04:51] <Keybuk> "what's a kubuntu CD?" :)
[04:51] <Kamion> heno: send me a mail with the URL when it's ready, please
[04:51] <heno> Riddell: cool, thanks
[04:51] <JaneW> Keybuk: I have one
[04:52] <heno> Kamion: right
[04:52] <mdz> heno: I've been subscribing the accessibility team to a11y bugs as I come across them
[04:52] <Riddell> heno: did you look at scribus and speedcrunch?
[04:52] <mdz> they are starting to become more common now that the work is more visible
[04:52] <heno> mdz: good, yes I get those 
[04:52] <heno> Riddell: only briefly
[04:52] <heno> Riddell: but the plan is to include them, yes
[04:52] <mdz> heno: is fabio going to get that script added to the packages?
[04:53] <heno> mdz: the sript is just something the users download to collect debug info
[04:53] <kwwii> heno: I could give you the new version of the logo I made for dapper, for those winfoss screens
[04:53] <heno> no need to include it anywhere
[04:53] <mdz> heno: it would be even more efficient if it were in the package and they only needed to run it...something to talk with fabio about
[04:53] <Seveas> mdz, I hope not - it's not ready for that yet
[04:54] <mdz> heno: thanks
[04:54] <mdz> doko: next?
[04:54] <doko> - openoffice.org: dapper: waiting for removal of rosetta data before next upload, breezy backport builds now, needs packaging adjustments. 5 new OOo locales integrated, bug fixes.
[04:54] <doko> - toolchain-ng: no progress
[04:54] <doko> - font: made the Nimbus family an alias for the Adobe standard families again
[04:54] <doko> - printing: cupsys fixes, new ppd layout, updates of driver packages, bug fixes, currently pending approval: foomatic-filters-ppds, foomatic-db-hpijs, hplip.
[04:54] <doko> - other: bug fixes in mcpp, xrdb, fontforge, toolchain, some syncs.
[04:54] <doko> - got a pointer from debian-printing to attend #printing-summit on irc, very short note (seems to be a meeting every six months, this time in Atlanta, interesting things: have a printing gui independent of a toolkit, ppd reorganization)
[04:54] <heno> people were reporting crashed X on the live CD and then were stuck in how to get the files uploaded
[04:54] <doko> - some support stuff with mdy and elmo
[04:54] <doko> - blocked: OOo, printing upgrades, toolchain-ng
[04:54] <mdz> doko: removal of rosetta data?
[04:54] <doko> - plan for next week: have all printing packages updated to let people test with recent printer descriptions
[04:54] <doko> - OOo uploads, OOo breezy build
[04:55] <mdz> doko: any feedback on the font change?  have you searched for relevant bugs in malone?
[04:55] <doko> mdz: same thing as last week, we need to kill all OOo imports, and the start again
[04:55] <doko> mdz: just one per #irc for now
[04:55] <mdz> doko: go ahead with foomatic-filters-ppds and foomatic-db-hpijs
[04:55] <mdz> doko: remind me about hplip after beta
[04:55] <doko> mdz: ok, what about hplip 0.9.7?
[04:56] <mdz> I don't want to change it during beta freeze unless there is a blocker for beta
[04:56] <mdz> I'll more easily find time to test it after beta
[04:57] <doko> well, it works, not just for me, but anyway
[04:57] <mdz> doko: is carlos handling the rosetta stuff?
[04:57] <doko> mdz: stub and carlos, yes
[04:57] <mdz> doko: yes, I understand, but we are in beta freeze
[04:58] <mdz> doko: is there an ETA?  are any of the blocked ooo changes targeting beta?
[04:58] <doko> mdz: it would be nice to have translations from rosetta in a -l10n build
[04:58] <mdz> ok, thanks doko
[04:58] <mdz> dholbach: next?
[04:58] <dholbach> icon-mission: regular updates to tangerine, wrote another call for help to ubuntu-art - looks good; Mark pinged Dave about Icons Tuesday - will compile a list of bugs against the icons for him
[04:58] <dholbach> bugs: HUG DAY today, introduced weekly bug goals for the Desktop Team, (with the help of volunteers and upstream people) we start catching up slowly, although it's a daily battle to stay on top and lots of old bugs need cleaning and updating
[04:58] <dholbach> universe: announced ssl (0.9.{7,8}) transition,  will mass-file bugs (for unmet dependencies as well), to have a list and good overview
[04:58] <dholbach> this week (done): gnome 2.14.1, bug triage, hug day
[04:58] <dholbach> this week (todo): bug triage, hug day
[04:59] <dholbach> next week: bug triage, cd testing, universe lists
[04:59] <mdz> a reminder, everyone should be participating in bug days at this point in the release
[05:00] <dholbach> mdz: shall we switch to weekly bug days now?
[05:00] <mdz> most of you are primarily working on bugs anyway, and doing this within the context of a bug day helps others learn to help as well
[05:00] <JaneW> dholbach: yes, I think so...
[05:00] <dholbach> normally i'd do them every two weeks
[05:00] <mdz> dholbach: possibly, if we can avoid conflicting with milestone releases
[05:00] <dholbach> ok
[05:00] <dholbach> i'll talk to Kinnison about the next one
[05:00] <mdz> we'll get better participation from the full team if there isn't a flight going on at the same time
[05:00] <dholbach> and get all the laptop testers reactivated
[05:01] <JaneW> dholbach: can we do them mid-week?
[05:01] <mdz> thanks dholbach
[05:01] <mdz> BenC: last up
[05:01] <BenC> Kernel bugs: Sifting through them still. Finally have some outside help going through the trivial bugs (closing old inactive ones, finding dupes, requesting testing with latest kernels, etc). Should be caught up and settled down to the critical bugs by next week.
[05:01] <dholbach> JaneW: why mid-week? - I always thought friday was good choice.
[05:01] <mdz> BenC: any beta-relevant bugs on your list?
[05:02] <BenC> nothing that's a showstopper for beta, no
[05:02] <JaneW> dholbach: the distro team is tired on a friday, they want to wrap up their week and would rather do this during the week
[05:02] <mdz> ok, we're over time already
[05:02] <mdz> thanks BenC
[05:02] <JaneW> dholbach: that's the feedback I have got
[05:02] <dholbach> JaneW: ok... everybody ok with laptop hugs on wednesday?
[05:03] <mdz> I'll be off the rest of today, but reachable by phone
[05:03] <mdz> and will likely check email in the evening
[05:03] <Kinnison> dholbach: fine by me
[05:03] <mdz> thanks, everyone
[05:03] <mdz> adjourned
[05:03] <pitti> thanks guys
[05:03] <BenC> bye everyone
[05:03] <dholbach> thanks
[05:03] <pitti> and girl :)
[05:03] <BenC> thanks mdz
[05:03] <ogra> thanks
[05:03] <dholbach> Kinnison: ok :)
[05:03] <JaneW> pitti: thanks
[05:03] <mdz> JaneW: !
[05:04] <JaneW> heh
[05:04] <ogra> heh
[05:04] <dholbach> JaneW: have fun!
[05:04] <Seveas> JaneW, tell him we said hi ;)
[05:04] <pitti> JaneW: have fun!
[05:04] <ogra> mdz, you dont read her blog eh ? 
[05:04] <JaneW> Seveas: will do
[05:04] <JaneW> ogra: stop right there!
[05:04] <Keybuk> ogra: her blog isn't on Planet
[05:04] <ogra> *giggle*
[05:04] <ogra> Keybuk, i know
[05:04] <Seveas> JaneW, paradise by the dashboard light?
[05:05] <ogra> Keybuk, its only for the enlightened people she gives access :)
[05:05] <pitti> Seveas: wasn't that Meat Loaf?
[05:05] <Seveas> pitti, "Stop right There"
[05:05] <Seveas> immediately thought about that song 
[05:06] <JaneW> ok bye, happy easter and passover and whatever else is happening around this time
[05:06] <pitti> lots of partying...
[05:06] <ogra> bughunting :P
[05:07] <Seveas> any python guru around who can tell me in a few lines how to upload a file with urllib2?
[05:07] <pitti> getting older :)
[05:07] <ogra> Seveas, there is code in popcon iirc ...
[05:08] <Seveas> *hug*
[05:08] <Seveas> how does hwdb-client upload? Huge form?
[05:11] <sivang> sorry for being late, it's a public holiday in .IL and I had to be offline for a bit.
[05:12] <ogra> Seveas, a stupid cgi and no urllib usage