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Tonio_Lure_: is that the version on my repo ?12:06
Lure_pkgstriptranslations: The following PO/POT files are empty. This is known to12:06
Lure_cause trouble in the translation importer and generally indicates a package12:06
Lure_bug:12:06
Lure_./po/kpowersave.pot12:06
Lure_dh_builddeb: command returned error code 25612:06
Lure_and why they build in my pbuilder???12:07
Tonio_Lure_: very strange........12:07
Lure_Tonio_: yes - this is what jpatrick uploaded earlier today12:07
Tonio_Lure_: I will try to build it here too12:08
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Lure_strangely, po/kpowersave.pot is not empty - will download source from universe....12:09
RiddellLure_: pbuilder doesn't include the rosetta version of pkgstriptranslations12:09
Lure_Riddell: ok, that at least explains why it builds here...12:10
Tonio_Lure_: is the pot file empty in sources ?12:11
Lure_no12:12
Tonio_Lure_: hum...........12:12
Lure_btw, freeflying asked for Rosetta support as he is not staisfied with chinese translations12:12
Lure_po/kpowersave.pot is not empty file, but all msgstr are ""12:13
Lure_maybe that is the problem?!12:13
superstoned_kwwii: your crystal works for me!12:14
superstoned_looks nice12:14
Tonio_Lure_: that can be yes.....12:14
kwwiisuperstoned_: cool!12:14
Lure_kwwii: where is new crystal?12:15
Tonio_Lure_: if all messages are empty, probably rbetter removing the rosetta patch no ?12:15
Lure_Tonio_: there is no rosetta patch in there - should there be one 12:15
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Tonio_Lure_: knetworkmanager uploaded12:15
alleeLure_: no. That's normal that msgstr is empty. Important is that msgid contains strings12:15
Tonio_Lure_: hum....... a kdepot patch is required for pot file to be extracted to rosetta12:16
Lure_allee: msgid is ok (english)12:16
Tonio_Lure_: will look at the sources12:16
Tonio_allee: is that normal ? okay...12:16
Lure_Tonio_: just get them with apt-get from universe12:16
alleeLure_: to translate you do  cp <app>.pot <lang>.po and start to fill msgstr with your translation12:16
Lure_allee: ok, now I get it - and what does rosetta do to .po files?12:17
Tonio_Lure_: indeed, no kdepot patch there........12:18
alleeLure_: rosetta will merge new msdids into existing translations (removing no longer existing msgid too I assume)12:18
Lure_Tonio_: now I see it in knm package - patch for rosetta export (perl stuff)12:18
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Tonio_Lure_: we may try to add the kdepotpatch and reupload to see if that changes something.....12:19
Tonio_Lure_: anyway, it is always nice to add the patch so........12:19
Lure_Tonio_: if you know what to try, please do so ;)12:19
alleeafaiu kdepotpatch just removed msgid from <app>.pot that are found in kdelibs.  So they duplicate string have only to translated once.12:21
allees/they/the/12:21
alleehighway is waiting.  til tomorrow. Bye12:22
Tonio_Lure_: uploaded, but I doubt that will change something12:24
Lure_Tonio_: at least you tried ;-)12:24
Tonio_Lure_: hehe12:24
Tonio_Lure_: all packages are uploaded now ;)12:24
Lure_ok, thanks12:25
Lure_powersave one is important, as it can make system to not boot ;-)12:25
Lure_(for some users)12:25
sebasHow so Lure_ ?12:30
Lure_sebas: I tried to explain it here - http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-April/000469.html12:31
Lure_ubuntu does not have grubonce binary and therefore not all code gets executed12:31
Lure_but the removal code gets executed anyhow12:32
sebasLure_: Ah, hm.12:35
robotgeekTonio_: great!12:41
Lure_good night everybody12:48
kwwiinight all12:48
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Tonio_Riddell: I saw with raphink to reupload kdebase with system reactivated in konqsidebar01:23
Riddellthanks01:23
raphinkit's uploaded already01:23
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hendrykdebase takes forever to build07:41
hendryi'm pissed about all the kubuntu patches there. oh well.07:41
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freeflyinghendry: ping08:32
hendryfreeflying: hallo08:47
freeflyinghendry: have your skim worked ?08:48
hendryfreeflying: atie says there has been some sort of fix with scim-hangul08:48
hendryso I am going to try a new build tonight/tomorrow08:48
freeflyinghendry: I have added08:48
hendryfreeflying: you have added it? 08:52
hendryok, i think i see the change08:53
freeflyinghendry: ya08:53
hendryfreeflying: where are you btw?08:53
hendrytaiwan?08:53
freeflyinghendry: China PRC08:55
hendryfreeflying: Beijing?08:55
freeflyinghendry: HeFei, AnHui08:55
hendryfreeflying: no idea where that is08:56
hendrywell, i'll be visiting Beijing on the 24th for a week08:56
freeflyinghendry: welcome you , maybe you know the HuangShang Mountain 08:57
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hendryno idea. I know very little about China. That's why I am keen to visit!08:59
hendryhttp://surink.com/c:a # ooh, they look great09:00
Lurefreeflying: you are better in translation packaging issues - can you check this failed build https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/18561409:00
LureI do not understand what is wrong (we tried something with Tonio, but failed)09:00
Lureit works in pbuilder, but on build farm it gets wrong due to Rosetta stuff09:00
freeflyingLure: heh , ther some errors in translation09:01
Lurefreeflying: can you check - error is confusing as it claims that .pot is empty, but it is not...09:04
freeflyingLure: okey09:09
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verwilst_hellow09:35
freeflyingverwilst_: hey09:36
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MidMarkRiddell: only one thing, why kubuntu devels has decided to not implement a theme also for a graphic login with the list of the users?11:05
RiddellMidMark: kdm doesn't support it11:09
MidMarkRiddell: ah it supports only the default kde version?11:10
Riddellit doesn't support a list of users11:10
MidMarkbut when you put theme=false in kdmrc you have a list of users, but it isn't themable, this is the problem?11:12
Riddellok, it supports it if you don't have a pretty theme, but with a theme it isn't supported11:13
Riddelltoma_: what's EBN?11:14
MidMarkRiddell: ok thanx11:14
marseillai_does someone know where is in kubuntu the "temperature" file? my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ directory is empty.11:24
seaLnelist of users is a security risk and dosen't work very well if you have > 1000 users11:26
raphinkseaLne: you doon't often hvae a graphic login when you have 1000+ users11:28
seaLnelab machines11:28
raphinkmost OSes use a list of users for login by default and I don't think anybody complains11:28
seaLneor staff desktops11:28
seaLneyeah had to turn it off in winxp11:29
raphinkhyehe11:29
marseillai_at least name completion for the user list would be great11:30
seaLneuser list is fine for home use but is bad/unusable for "corporate"11:31
raphinkseaLne: most k/x/ubuntu users are home ones so far11:31
seaLnesurely that isn't the long term plan :)11:31
seaLnei have a small lab that uses kubuntu11:32
raphinkyes I know11:32
raphinkI mean I know it's not the long term plan11:32
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freeflyingRiddell: shall we really need add so much "linux basics " in desktopguide ?11:32
seaLneare the linux basics KDE/kubuntu specific?11:33
freeflyingseaLne: no11:38
seaLnesounds like there should be a *ubuntu basics guide aswell then? (yeah more work, no I don't have the time to do it so I'll shut up :)11:39
freeflyingseaLne:  :)11:39
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Riddellfreeflying: so today the skim icon in the system tray has turned into a keyboard and I can select Japanese->Anthy when I click on it11:41
Riddellbut I still can't get it to do very much else11:41
freeflyingRiddell: you mean you can not input an japanese ?11:42
Riddellyes, I can't input japanese11:42
Riddellcontrol-space still doesn't do anything11:42
MidMarkI know that user list is bad for a lot of users, but it is nice and faster for home users11:43
seaLnehas anyone else lost crossfading in recent amarok?11:44
freeflyingif you choose anthy from the skim , then you needn't do Ctrl+spac 11:44
freeflyingRiddell: you can just input , or you needn's choose it from system tray , or just use Ctrl+space11:45
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Riddellhmm, doesn't work11:54
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freeflyingRiddell: then I don't know  :) 11:56
jpatrickhi superstoned12:02
superstonedhi!12:02
seaLnewhat is supposed to happen with skim?  when i click on the tray icon i get a small grey rectangle that dosen't seem to do anything12:06
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freeflyingseaLne: have you installed any scim module such as scim-pinyin scim-anthy 12:08
seaLneno, installing now, they wern't recommended by skim12:08
seaLnehmm still the same12:09
freeflyingseaLne: which locale r u using now ?12:10
seaLneen_GB i think12:10
freeflyingseaLne: install libapt-pkg-perl and do " im-switch -z en_GB -s scim-xxx" scim-xx is what you've installed12:11
RiddellseaLne: good luck12:12
freeflyingseaLne: restart X , you can use skim by "Ctrl+Spac"12:12
freeflyingRiddell: heh12:12
seaLnehmm restart X, maybe not atm :)12:13
freeflyingseaLne: right click on any text input box, can you see "select input method " now ?12:14
superstonedbtw riddell what's new in the new KDE packages (ubuntu7)?!?12:14
superstoned(adept should support changelogs...)12:14
superstoned(mornfall?)12:15
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seaLnesimple composing input method and XIM12:15
freeflyingseaLne: no " scim"12:17
freeflyingseaLne: have you installed scim-qtimm ?12:20
seaLneinstalled now, i guess i need to restart, i'm supposed to be finishing stripping paint from a door today, so i'll play more later thanks12:22
Riddellaaad12:24
Riddelld12:24
freeflyingRiddell:  you got it ?12:24
Riddellinteresting, it started working :)12:24
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Riddellno idea how, I think it just takes lots of reboots of X12:25
freeflyingRiddell: we have diveintopython's zh_CN version , so how can I add it 12:25
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jrsdqqfps12:25
Riddellfreeflying: what format is it in?12:26
freeflyingRiddell: docbook and xml12:26
freeflyingRiddell: but the package's is html12:27
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Riddellthe source package may be docbook12:28
freeflyingRiddell: no , it's html format12:29
freeflyingRiddell: or can I make a new package named diveintopython-zh12:30
Riddella new package may be the best way, doesn't seem very elegant though12:30
RiddellI'd try to keep the same source package12:30
freeflyingRiddell: but we are in deep freeze now , can new package be accept?12:31
Riddellgood point, need to wait until after beta12:34
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jpatrickboo01:08
jpatrickbetter now :)01:09
Hobbseejpatrick: boo yourself!01:09
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jpatrickhi kmon01:16
kmonhi jpatrick01:16
jpatrickkmon: kbfx fixed01:16
kmonI've already noticed, thanks :)01:16
kmoncould you help me verify 2 bugs I have in kubuntu?01:16
jpatrickyep01:17
kmonthe first one is this: With the recent fix for the system:/home kio I can't use the right click action in konqueror to compress a file01:18
kmonfor example01:18
kmonopen up konqueror via system:/home/any_folder01:18
kmonand try to compress a file using ark via the right click action01:18
kmonIt shows a progress window that never ends01:19
jpatrickcompressing....01:19
jpatrickconfirmed..01:19
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Hobbseehi kwwii 01:20
kwwiihowdy Hobbsee01:20
kmonjpatrick: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index01:20
UbugtuMalone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  01:20
kmoncould you confirm the bug?01:21
kmonand the other bug. To confirm this you need a divx file in a cd/dvd01:21
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danimoRiddell: ping?01:22
kmonIf I insert a dvd/cd with some big media files and click on them to launch kaffeine, konqueror makes a local copy of the file in a temp folder and then launches kaffeine. This happens when konqueror uses the system:/ kio slave. If I navigate to the folder without the system:/ kio then kaffeine is launched without making a copy of the file01:23
kmonI don't know if I made myself clear :)01:23
kmonIt's annoying since everytime I insert a dvd with divx films and I click on them to play it begins a temp copy of a 600MB file01:24
kmonwhen there's no real need for that...01:24
jpatrickdvd://01:25
kmonmmmm01:26
kmonit's not happening here anymore01:26
kmonwith system:/ koi01:26
kmonkio01:26
kmonmaybe it's with dvd://01:26
kmonor maybe it's fixed and I didn't noticed :)01:26
Riddelldanimo: hi01:27
kmonjpatrick: forget that one, I can't reproduce it anymore :)01:28
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kmonbut the system:/ kio is not working nicely01:29
kmonwhat's more01:30
kmonI can't create a link to a app in a folder in konqueror using a relative path with system:/ kio01:30
kmonit gives an error message01:31
kmonit says: I don't have privileges to write to /home/documentos/Enlace a aplicacion.desktop01:32
danimoRiddell: you removed the smime gpgme packages?01:33
danimoRiddell: doesn't even debian have packages for them nowadays?01:33
Riddelldanimo: on dapper?01:33
danimoRiddell: yes01:33
Riddelltried installing kleopatra?01:34
danimoRiddell: no, I was just reading your blog01:34
danimoRiddell: and your postings about kubuntu.de01:34
danimoRiddell: you said something about unreleased packages01:34
kmonRiddell: The new fixes to system:/ kio slave doesn't work nicely, see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index01:35
UbugtuMalone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Confirmed]  01:35
danimoRiddell: the truth is that werner considers those packages stable01:35
danimoRiddell: what leads your to the assumption that they are unreleased?01:35
danimoRiddell: the versioning scheme?01:35
Riddellyeah, it uses gpg 2 doesn't it?01:36
danimoRiddell: yes. I tried to urge werner about almost a year ago to release the packages as 2.001:37
danimobut for some reason he can't be bothered01:37
danimoRiddell: I'm not sure if that should be a reason for us not to package it, since in fact it _is_ a huge selling point for KMail01:38
danimoRiddell: not only in germany01:38
danimoRiddell: btw: did you repackage kwin? the crash is still present01:38
danimoI wonder why nobody else notices it01:38
Riddellno I havn't, can you point me towards the fix again?01:39
danimoRiddell: i'm on it01:40
danimoRiddell: generally, it seems a good idea to diff branch vs tag, since dirk committed quite some coverity fixes01:42
Riddellfor kwin?01:43
danimoRiddell: yes01:43
danimoRiddell: lubos fixed a couple of focuschain bugs 01:43
Riddellok, I'll try and do that today01:43
danimogine01:44
danimofine01:44
kmonRiddell: did you see the bug I've mentioned before about system:/ ?01:53
Riddellkmon: just read it in my e-mail, is this from an update from today or yesterday?01:54
kmonI've updated my system today01:55
Riddellso probably caused by removin tonio's patch.  but this should be the default KDE behaviour now01:55
Riddelland I can't imagine default KDE behaviour is to be so broken01:55
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LureRiddell: any idea why kpowersave does not build on build farm: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/18561402:14
LureI have asked on -motu and here, but still no idea how to fix it...02:14
jjessemorning :)02:14
LureI would like to fix this before I go to vacation weekend ;-)02:15
HobbseeLure: is the .pot file(s) there?02:17
Lureyes and it looks sane to me...02:17
Lurebut I am no translation expert....02:17
Lurebuild claims it is empty, but it is not...02:18
LureTonio has also added standard export patch for Rosetta, but it does not help either02:18
MidMarkbut kernel and other packages in dapper now have debugging data? Because seems to me so slow compared to breezy02:21
raphinkc'est dommage que kword 1.5 ne permette toujours pas de faire du .doc :(02:31
raphinkoops02:31
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Riddelldommage?02:49
superstonedstupid composite, just crashed my X.02:51
Hobbseesuperstoned: you didnt really want X anyway, did you?   :P  Mind you, it's *far* more fun when you're computer refuses to boot, as opposed to having no X...02:52
Riddellnow now, we prefer to call them "stability restricted programmes" not something politically incorrect like "stupid"02:53
superstonedlol02:53
superstonedhaha02:53
superstonedok, you guys are right. i shouldn't even try it if i want a stable system :D02:53
Hobbseehehe!02:53
superstonedlol02:53
superstonedanyway, i just read we're gonna have some kwin fixes in our kwin package?02:53
superstoned(from danimo)02:54
Hobbseetha'ts like not allowing us to call ourselves short - instead, "vertically challenged"!  if i'm short for what i'm trying to do, i'll darned well call myself short!02:54
superstoned:D02:54
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Hobbseewell, a really old one02:54
superstonedpoor hobbsee...02:55
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Hobbseefortunately, i didnt have to reinstall :P02:55
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danimosuperstoned: what change are you looking for in particular?02:57
superstonedehm, the focus-fixes?02:58
superstonedfrom lubos02:58
superstonedi've been irritated by kwin for some time - now it works, now it doesn't. click a link in kmail, open in konqi - it opens up on top, tough i'02:58
superstoned(sorry)02:58
superstonedve been using kmail between the click and the loading.02:58
superstonedand another time, it works fine (eg konqi opens up behind kmail)02:59
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raphinkI'll be back on monday evening03:00
raphink:)03:00
superstonedkwwii: already packaged and added your crystal patches? imho you can send them to the crystal creator, so he can integrate them. they look great (use em now)!03:01
superstonedtough i'd love to see a glass look on the titlebar, like suse's windec has, for crystal (or another style). with your buttons :D03:01
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Hobbseeenjoy raphink 03:01
raphinkthanks03:01
superstonedyeah, enjoy raphink03:01
superstoneddon't eat to many eggs03:01
jpatrickbye raphink03:01
superstoned:D03:01
raphinkbye all :)03:02
raphinksuperstoned: hehe03:02
Hobbseeooh yeah...there must be some of them around here too!03:02
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LureHobbsee: grub issue is resolved in new powersave03:06
HobbseeLure: oh good!03:06
LureHobbsee: you need to run sudo grub-set-default 0      03:06
HobbseeLure: that's in tonio's repo now?03:07
Lurethis will fix the missing file03:07
Lurein universe - 0.12.11-1ubuntu2     03:07
Hobbseeso what's the sudo grub-set default 0 do?03:07
freeflyingLure: how about kpowersave now ?03:08
Lurecreate missing /boot/grub/default03:09
Lurefreeflying: no progress - walking in the dark :-(03:09
freeflyingLure: :)03:09
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Hobbseehehe03:10
Hobbseefind some more :P03:10
Hobbseehmmm...even the GB mirrors dont have the new powersaved..03:10
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freeflyingHobbsee: use ubntu.com  :)03:11
Hobbseefreeflying: i may end up doing that...03:11
HobbseeLure: okay, now i'll go test...03:14
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Hobbseewell, it sorta works :D03:19
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kwwiisuperstoned: no packages yet, I want to wait until I have a finalized version ready, but then I will send them to him to ask to make another case for these buttons with a new name03:35
superstonedgreat... kwwii03:36
marseillaidoes the msn-deconection was for the entire world or only france?03:36
jpatrickmarseillai: I'm having problems here03:38
marseillaioki03:38
marseillaimsn came back03:38
marseillaibut during the deconection i was allways able to chat ....03:38
marseillaiso strange03:38
jpatrickmarseillai: same :(03:39
marseillaijpatrick: now it's fine ....03:40
Hobbseemarseillai: trouble with msn here too...03:41
marseillairepair now!03:41
marseillaisince five minutes03:41
Hobbseeyep, i'ts back03:41
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freeflying-ibookI could use msn all day 03:42
RiddellLure: that's quite a broken messages target kpowersave ahs04:26
Riddellhas04:26
LureRiddell: indeed04:31
LureRiddell: do not know what can be wrong there and Tonio was also out of ideas yesterday04:31
Riddellleave it to me, I'm fixing04:33
LureRiddell: thanks - will look into what you did as I want to learn... ;-)04:33
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RiddellZuZubuntu-fr: gonnae turn off your away script04:41
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Riddellhello beefsprocket 04:49
beefsprockethi Riddell 04:52
beefsprocketRiddell: the certificate for wiki.kubuntu.org is ok isn't it? just the ubuntu cert copied over?04:57
Riddellbeefsprocket: it's self signed05:01
beefsprocketok05:01
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kmonhi jpatrick05:06
jpatrickhi kmon05:06
RiddellLure: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_02_messages_target.diff05:08
Riddellstill complains about getting *ui and *rc files wrong mind, but it's mostly all there05:09
jpatrickwant me to upload that?05:09
RiddellI already have05:10
RiddellLure: you should send that upstream, maybe they have a good reason for the target they use but I don't see it05:11
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danimodid somebody ever try to install dapper in OEM installation mode?05:24
marseillaikubuntu has no need for gstreamer???? :| i see that i don't have gstreamer 0.10 and that i can without any problem remove gstreamer 0.8 ......05:28
kmonmarseillai: kubuntu uses xine05:28
Tm_Tmarseillai: there's xine05:28
Tm_Tand yeah, there's not enough programs using gst 0.1005:28
marseillaigstreamer is not "cool" ?05:28
Tm_Tamarok uses, well, but it's not maintained05:28
kmonmarseillai: gstreamer is too new05:29
marseillaioki05:29
Tm_Tall others use _pd_ gst 0.805:29
Tm_Told even05:29
marseillaixine works well but with breezy i used gstreamer so i didn't understand that my upgrade don't install 0.1005:29
marseillainow i understand05:30
marseillaithanks05:30
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Tm_Twengophone was when I last time used it, err, quite unorganised (sources I mean)05:31
Tm_Tit was pure mess05:31
marseillaiyes but it's free, qt, OS independant, with IM, voip, visioip ....05:34
marseillaiso want to try it in replacement of msn+skype05:34
Tm_Theh05:37
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Tm_Tdoesn't yeat have video jep, but will soon05:37
Tm_Ts/yeat/yet/05:38
Riddelldanimo: OEM mode doesn't work for kubuntu, I need to ask to get that removed05:38
Riddellalthough everyone is on holiday just now05:39
Tm_Tofcourse ;)05:39
danimoRiddell: do you know what it is supposed to be doing? just add a "oem" user instead of a normal account?05:41
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marseillaidanimo: it's supposed to let you do the installation without asking you a username and password! the first launch will ask it to the user .... so it's so good for sailers ..; they can install ubuntu and let the person finish his installation.05:43
Riddelldanimo: adds an oem user, then there's a pygtk program that the oem runs to personalise various things and delete the oem user05:45
Riddellthen oem sells to customer05:45
Riddellthen customer gets a friendly computer personalised by oem and I think there's a first run wizard to add a new user etc05:46
danimoRiddell: would be nice to have for kubuntu, too. but I think the pygtk makes little sense05:46
Tm_Thmm, njaard is in vacation...05:46
Riddelldanimo: I'd like to port it to pykde for dapper+105:46
danimoRiddell: usually oem distributors don't want to configure every single laptop on their own05:46
danimobut th OEM mode seems important enough to care about it05:47
Tm_Tit is05:47
Riddellhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller05:48
Riddell"Create system image and mass-duplicate onto N hard disks."  is the idea05:48
Tm_Tyeah05:49
Tm_Tand on first boot there's "set up user" things05:49
Tm_Tvery important05:50
Tm_TI doubt there will be any kubuntu inside -pc selling without it05:50
Tm_Tbig scale I mean ;)05:51
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jpatrickTm_T: see bug #105:52
UbugtuMalone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/105:52
Tm_Tjpatrick: I know05:52
jpatrick;)05:52
Tm_Tjpatrick: and that's what I'm trying to fix, son ;)05:52
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danimoRiddell: do you know if canonical or anyone else is planning to provide end customer support for OEM installations?06:12
jpatrickdamn cvs06:12
danimo(either that or 2nd level support for the OEM providers)06:12
Riddelldanimo: I expect they do06:12
Riddelloh, like the people OEMs sell to?  probably not06:13
Riddellthey'll support the OEMs though06:13
danimoRiddell: yes, that makes a lot more sense06:13
danimoRiddell: since OEMs usually do have call center intrastructures in place06:14
Riddelland see the marketplace webpage for people who do more local support06:14
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Riddelldanimo: who's the guy you were talking about earier who hadn't released gpg2?06:22
danimoRiddell: werner koch06:24
danimoRiddell: the maintainer06:24
danimoRiddell: afaik there is still no gpg2, right?06:24
danimoRiddell: at least for the gpgsm part06:24
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Riddelldanimo: yeah, it's version 1.9.19-206:29
danimoRiddell: but again: It's been stable for more than a year now, just ship it06:30
Riddelldanimo: got an e-mail for him?06:30
Riddellit needs main inclusion review and main inclusion reviewer will go "erk, unreleased software"06:30
danimoRiddell: what do you mean?06:32
Riddelldanimo: in ubuntu software is in main or universe, to get into main it has to go through a quality review06:36
Riddelland kdepim is in main so gpgsm would also need to be in main if it were to be used06:37
kwwiiRiddell: so which version of the Usplash do I have to make (ie scale per hand)? 06:38
Riddellkwwii: the kubuntu one?06:39
RiddellI don't follow06:39
danimoRiddell: or you could pull kleopatra out into universe06:39
Riddelldanimo: the source package still needs gpgsm to build, kdepim is in main06:40
kwwiiRiddell:  I mean, there are different pics which have different sizes (gfxboot, usplash, grub, syslinux)...do I need to make all the files or is there some conversion in the make that does it?06:40
Riddellkwwii: you need to make them all06:40
Riddellwhat's gfxboot?06:40
kwwiiRiddell: cool, I'll do that06:41
Riddellgrub and syslinux use an unscaled 639x320 image06:41
kwwiiexactly06:41
kwwiigfxboot is syslinux actually :-906:41
kwwiiand lilo06:41
Riddellusplash uses a 600x400 image which on PCs gets scaled to 600x480 ratio06:41
Riddellbut on powerpc doesn't06:42
kwwiiexactly06:42
danimokwwii: and how does werner get into the game?06:42
kwwiiI just thought I should ask before doing the work :-)06:42
kwwiidanimo: werner?06:42
danimokwwii: Koch, gpg author06:43
kwwiihehe06:43
Riddelldanimo: if he released a gpgsm with a version number that indicated it was stable then everyone would be a lot happier with it in main06:44
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danimoRiddell: we all would06:46
jpatrickhi allee06:46
alleehi jpatrick!06:46
danimoRiddell: could you write him? (Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>). You know about all the affected packages and the Ubuntu details. Just put me in CC if you like. I have to leave in 10 mins06:47
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Riddelldanimo: yes, thanks06:51
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kwwiiRiddell: so making the pics is for the different splash's is not going to be hard, testing it is12:03
kwwiiRiddell: whenever you are ready to start testing it, let me know :-)12:04
kwwiisince I only have macs it makes thing really nasty12:04
kwwiinot only do I not have grub12:04
kwwiithe usplash is native perfect12:04
kwwiibut you knew that12:05
kwwiiso what do we do?12:05

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