[12:06] <Tonio_> Lure_: is that the version on my repo ?
[12:06] <Lure_> pkgstriptranslations: The following PO/POT files are empty. This is known to
[12:06] <Lure_> cause trouble in the translation importer and generally indicates a package
[12:06] <Lure_> bug:
[12:06] <Lure_> ./po/kpowersave.pot
[12:06] <Lure_> dh_builddeb: command returned error code 256
[12:07] <Lure_> and why they build in my pbuilder???
[12:07] <Tonio_> Lure_: very strange........
[12:07] <Lure_> Tonio_: yes - this is what jpatrick uploaded earlier today
[12:08] <Tonio_> Lure_: I will try to build it here too
[12:09] <Lure_> strangely, po/kpowersave.pot is not empty - will download source from universe....
[12:09] <Riddell> Lure_: pbuilder doesn't include the rosetta version of pkgstriptranslations
[12:10] <Lure_> Riddell: ok, that at least explains why it builds here...
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure_: is the pot file empty in sources ?
[12:12] <Lure_> no
[12:12] <Tonio_> Lure_: hum...........
[12:12] <Lure_> btw, freeflying asked for Rosetta support as he is not staisfied with chinese translations
[12:13] <Lure_> po/kpowersave.pot is not empty file, but all msgstr are ""
[12:13] <Lure_> maybe that is the problem?!
[12:14] <superstoned_> kwwii: your crystal works for me!
[12:14] <superstoned_> looks nice
[12:14] <Tonio_> Lure_: that can be yes.....
[12:14] <kwwii> superstoned_: cool!
[12:15] <Lure_> kwwii: where is new crystal?
[12:15] <Tonio_> Lure_: if all messages are empty, probably rbetter removing the rosetta patch no ?
[12:15] <Lure_> Tonio_: there is no rosetta patch in there - should there be one 
[12:15] <Tonio_> Lure_: knetworkmanager uploaded
[12:15] <allee> Lure_: no. That's normal that msgstr is empty. Important is that msgid contains strings
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure_: hum....... a kdepot patch is required for pot file to be extracted to rosetta
[12:16] <Lure_> allee: msgid is ok (english)
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure_: will look at the sources
[12:16] <Tonio_> allee: is that normal ? okay...
[12:16] <Lure_> Tonio_: just get them with apt-get from universe
[12:16] <allee> Lure_: to translate you do  cp <app>.pot <lang>.po and start to fill msgstr with your translation
[12:17] <Lure_> allee: ok, now I get it - and what does rosetta do to .po files?
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure_: indeed, no kdepot patch there........
[12:18] <allee> Lure_: rosetta will merge new msdids into existing translations (removing no longer existing msgid too I assume)
[12:18] <Lure_> Tonio_: now I see it in knm package - patch for rosetta export (perl stuff)
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure_: we may try to add the kdepotpatch and reupload to see if that changes something.....
[12:19] <Tonio_> Lure_: anyway, it is always nice to add the patch so........
[12:19] <Lure_> Tonio_: if you know what to try, please do so ;)
[12:21] <allee> afaiu kdepotpatch just removed msgid from <app>.pot that are found in kdelibs.  So they duplicate string have only to translated once.
[12:21] <allee> s/they/the/
[12:22] <allee> highway is waiting.  til tomorrow. Bye
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure_: uploaded, but I doubt that will change something
[12:24] <Lure_> Tonio_: at least you tried ;-)
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure_: hehe
[12:24] <Tonio_> Lure_: all packages are uploaded now ;)
[12:25] <Lure_> ok, thanks
[12:25] <Lure_> powersave one is important, as it can make system to not boot ;-)
[12:25] <Lure_> (for some users)
[12:30] <sebas> How so Lure_ ?
[12:31] <Lure_> sebas: I tried to explain it here - http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-April/000469.html
[12:31] <Lure_> ubuntu does not have grubonce binary and therefore not all code gets executed
[12:32] <Lure_> but the removal code gets executed anyhow
[12:35] <sebas> Lure_: Ah, hm.
[12:41] <robotgeek> Tonio_: great!
[12:48] <Lure_> good night everybody
[12:48] <kwwii> night all
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw with raphink to reupload kdebase with system reactivated in konqsidebar
[01:23] <Riddell> thanks
[01:23] <raphink> it's uploaded already
[02:21] <Riddell> ZuZubuntu-fr!
[07:41] <hendry> kdebase takes forever to build
[07:41] <hendry> i'm pissed about all the kubuntu patches there. oh well.
[08:32] <freeflying> hendry: ping
[08:47] <hendry> freeflying: hallo
[08:48] <freeflying> hendry: have your skim worked ?
[08:48] <hendry> freeflying: atie says there has been some sort of fix with scim-hangul
[08:48] <hendry> so I am going to try a new build tonight/tomorrow
[08:48] <freeflying> hendry: I have added
[08:52] <hendry> freeflying: you have added it? 
[08:53] <hendry> ok, i think i see the change
[08:53] <freeflying> hendry: ya
[08:53] <hendry> freeflying: where are you btw?
[08:53] <hendry> taiwan?
[08:55] <freeflying> hendry: China PRC
[08:55] <hendry> freeflying: Beijing?
[08:55] <freeflying> hendry: HeFei, AnHui
[08:56] <hendry> freeflying: no idea where that is
[08:56] <hendry> well, i'll be visiting Beijing on the 24th for a week
[08:57] <freeflying> hendry: welcome you , maybe you know the HuangShang Mountain 
[08:59] <hendry> no idea. I know very little about China. That's why I am keen to visit!
[09:00] <hendry> http://surink.com/c:a # ooh, they look great
[09:00] <Lure> freeflying: you are better in translation packaging issues - can you check this failed build https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/185614
[09:00] <Lure> I do not understand what is wrong (we tried something with Tonio, but failed)
[09:00] <Lure> it works in pbuilder, but on build farm it gets wrong due to Rosetta stuff
[09:01] <freeflying> Lure: heh , ther some errors in translation
[09:04] <Lure> freeflying: can you check - error is confusing as it claims that .pot is empty, but it is not...
[09:09] <freeflying> Lure: okey
[09:35] <verwilst_> hellow
[09:36] <freeflying> verwilst_: hey
[11:05] <MidMark> Riddell: only one thing, why kubuntu devels has decided to not implement a theme also for a graphic login with the list of the users?
[11:09] <Riddell> MidMark: kdm doesn't support it
[11:10] <MidMark> Riddell: ah it supports only the default kde version?
[11:10] <Riddell> it doesn't support a list of users
[11:12] <MidMark> but when you put theme=false in kdmrc you have a list of users, but it isn't themable, this is the problem?
[11:13] <Riddell> ok, it supports it if you don't have a pretty theme, but with a theme it isn't supported
[11:14] <Riddell> toma_: what's EBN?
[11:14] <MidMark> Riddell: ok thanx
[11:24] <marseillai_> does someone know where is in kubuntu the "temperature" file? my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ directory is empty.
[11:26] <seaLne> list of users is a security risk and dosen't work very well if you have > 1000 users
[11:28] <raphink> seaLne: you doon't often hvae a graphic login when you have 1000+ users
[11:28] <seaLne> lab machines
[11:28] <raphink> most OSes use a list of users for login by default and I don't think anybody complains
[11:28] <seaLne> or staff desktops
[11:29] <seaLne> yeah had to turn it off in winxp
[11:29] <raphink> hyehe
[11:30] <marseillai_> at least name completion for the user list would be great
[11:31] <seaLne> user list is fine for home use but is bad/unusable for "corporate"
[11:31] <raphink> seaLne: most k/x/ubuntu users are home ones so far
[11:31] <seaLne> surely that isn't the long term plan :)
[11:32] <seaLne> i have a small lab that uses kubuntu
[11:32] <raphink> yes I know
[11:32] <raphink> I mean I know it's not the long term plan
[11:32] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we really need add so much "linux basics " in desktopguide ?
[11:33] <seaLne> are the linux basics KDE/kubuntu specific?
[11:38] <freeflying> seaLne: no
[11:39] <seaLne> sounds like there should be a *ubuntu basics guide aswell then? (yeah more work, no I don't have the time to do it so I'll shut up :)
[11:39] <freeflying> seaLne:  :)
[11:41] <Riddell> freeflying: so today the skim icon in the system tray has turned into a keyboard and I can select Japanese->Anthy when I click on it
[11:41] <Riddell> but I still can't get it to do very much else
[11:42] <freeflying> Riddell: you mean you can not input an japanese ?
[11:42] <Riddell> yes, I can't input japanese
[11:42] <Riddell> control-space still doesn't do anything
[11:43] <MidMark> I know that user list is bad for a lot of users, but it is nice and faster for home users
[11:44] <seaLne> has anyone else lost crossfading in recent amarok?
[11:44] <freeflying> if you choose anthy from the skim , then you needn't do Ctrl+spac 
[11:45] <freeflying> Riddell: you can just input , or you needn's choose it from system tray , or just use Ctrl+space
[11:54] <Riddell> hmm, doesn't work
[11:56] <freeflying> Riddell: then I don't know  :) 
[12:02] <jpatrick> hi superstoned
[12:02] <superstoned> hi!
[12:06] <seaLne> what is supposed to happen with skim?  when i click on the tray icon i get a small grey rectangle that dosen't seem to do anything
[12:08] <freeflying> seaLne: have you installed any scim module such as scim-pinyin scim-anthy 
[12:08] <seaLne> no, installing now, they wern't recommended by skim
[12:09] <seaLne> hmm still the same
[12:10] <freeflying> seaLne: which locale r u using now ?
[12:10] <seaLne> en_GB i think
[12:11] <freeflying> seaLne: install libapt-pkg-perl and do " im-switch -z en_GB -s scim-xxx" scim-xx is what you've installed
[12:12] <Riddell> seaLne: good luck
[12:12] <freeflying> seaLne: restart X , you can use skim by "Ctrl+Spac"
[12:12] <freeflying> Riddell: heh
[12:13] <seaLne> hmm restart X, maybe not atm :)
[12:14] <freeflying> seaLne: right click on any text input box, can you see "select input method " now ?
[12:14] <superstoned> btw riddell what's new in the new KDE packages (ubuntu7)?!?
[12:14] <superstoned> (adept should support changelogs...)
[12:15] <superstoned> (mornfall?)
[12:15] <seaLne> simple composing input method and XIM
[12:17] <freeflying> seaLne: no " scim"
[12:20] <freeflying> seaLne: have you installed scim-qtimm ?
[12:22] <seaLne> installed now, i guess i need to restart, i'm supposed to be finishing stripping paint from a door today, so i'll play more later thanks
[12:24] <Riddell> aaad
[12:24] <Riddell> d
[12:24] <freeflying> Riddell:  you got it ?
[12:24] <Riddell> interesting, it started working :)
[12:25] <Riddell> no idea how, I think it just takes lots of reboots of X
[12:25] <freeflying> Riddell: we have diveintopython's zh_CN version , so how can I add it 
[12:25] <jr> sdqqfps
[12:26] <Riddell> freeflying: what format is it in?
[12:26] <freeflying> Riddell: docbook and xml
[12:27] <freeflying> Riddell: but the package's is html
[12:28] <Riddell> the source package may be docbook
[12:29] <freeflying> Riddell: no , it's html format
[12:30] <freeflying> Riddell: or can I make a new package named diveintopython-zh
[12:30] <Riddell> a new package may be the best way, doesn't seem very elegant though
[12:30] <Riddell> I'd try to keep the same source package
[12:31] <freeflying> Riddell: but we are in deep freeze now , can new package be accept?
[12:34] <Riddell> good point, need to wait until after beta
[01:08] <jpatrick> boo
[01:09] <jpatrick> better now :)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: boo yourself!
[01:16] <jpatrick> hi kmon
[01:16] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[01:16] <jpatrick> kmon: kbfx fixed
[01:16] <kmon> I've already noticed, thanks :)
[01:16] <kmon> could you help me verify 2 bugs I have in kubuntu?
[01:17] <jpatrick> yep
[01:18] <kmon> the first one is this: With the recent fix for the system:/home kio I can't use the right click action in konqueror to compress a file
[01:18] <kmon> for example
[01:18] <kmon> open up konqueror via system:/home/any_folder
[01:18] <kmon> and try to compress a file using ark via the right click action
[01:19] <kmon> It shows a progress window that never ends
[01:19] <jpatrick> compressing....
[01:19] <jpatrick> confirmed..
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[01:20] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[01:20] <kmon> jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index
[01:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:21] <kmon> could you confirm the bug?
[01:21] <kmon> and the other bug. To confirm this you need a divx file in a cd/dvd
[01:22] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[01:23] <kmon> If I insert a dvd/cd with some big media files and click on them to launch kaffeine, konqueror makes a local copy of the file in a temp folder and then launches kaffeine. This happens when konqueror uses the system:/ kio slave. If I navigate to the folder without the system:/ kio then kaffeine is launched without making a copy of the file
[01:23] <kmon> I don't know if I made myself clear :)
[01:24] <kmon> It's annoying since everytime I insert a dvd with divx films and I click on them to play it begins a temp copy of a 600MB file
[01:24] <kmon> when there's no real need for that...
[01:25] <jpatrick> dvd://
[01:26] <kmon> mmmm
[01:26] <kmon> it's not happening here anymore
[01:26] <kmon> with system:/ koi
[01:26] <kmon> kio
[01:26] <kmon> maybe it's with dvd://
[01:26] <kmon> or maybe it's fixed and I didn't noticed :)
[01:27] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[01:28] <kmon> jpatrick: forget that one, I can't reproduce it anymore :)
[01:29] <kmon> but the system:/ kio is not working nicely
[01:30] <kmon> what's more
[01:30] <kmon> I can't create a link to a app in a folder in konqueror using a relative path with system:/ kio
[01:31] <kmon> it gives an error message
[01:32] <kmon> it says: I don't have privileges to write to /home/documentos/Enlace a aplicacion.desktop
[01:33] <danimo> Riddell: you removed the smime gpgme packages?
[01:33] <danimo> Riddell: doesn't even debian have packages for them nowadays?
[01:33] <Riddell> danimo: on dapper?
[01:33] <danimo> Riddell: yes
[01:34] <Riddell> tried installing kleopatra?
[01:34] <danimo> Riddell: no, I was just reading your blog
[01:34] <danimo> Riddell: and your postings about kubuntu.de
[01:34] <danimo> Riddell: you said something about unreleased packages
[01:35] <kmon> Riddell: The new fixes to system:/ kio slave doesn't work nicely, see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Confirmed]  
[01:35] <danimo> Riddell: the truth is that werner considers those packages stable
[01:35] <danimo> Riddell: what leads your to the assumption that they are unreleased?
[01:35] <danimo> Riddell: the versioning scheme?
[01:36] <Riddell> yeah, it uses gpg 2 doesn't it?
[01:37] <danimo> Riddell: yes. I tried to urge werner about almost a year ago to release the packages as 2.0
[01:37] <danimo> but for some reason he can't be bothered
[01:38] <danimo> Riddell: I'm not sure if that should be a reason for us not to package it, since in fact it _is_ a huge selling point for KMail
[01:38] <danimo> Riddell: not only in germany
[01:38] <danimo> Riddell: btw: did you repackage kwin? the crash is still present
[01:38] <danimo> I wonder why nobody else notices it
[01:39] <Riddell> no I havn't, can you point me towards the fix again?
[01:40] <danimo> Riddell: i'm on it
[01:42] <danimo> Riddell: generally, it seems a good idea to diff branch vs tag, since dirk committed quite some coverity fixes
[01:43] <Riddell> for kwin?
[01:43] <danimo> Riddell: yes
[01:43] <danimo> Riddell: lubos fixed a couple of focuschain bugs 
[01:43] <Riddell> ok, I'll try and do that today
[01:44] <danimo> gine
[01:44] <danimo> fine
[01:53] <kmon> Riddell: did you see the bug I've mentioned before about system:/ ?
[01:54] <Riddell> kmon: just read it in my e-mail, is this from an update from today or yesterday?
[01:55] <kmon> I've updated my system today
[01:55] <Riddell> so probably caused by removin tonio's patch.  but this should be the default KDE behaviour now
[01:55] <Riddell> and I can't imagine default KDE behaviour is to be so broken
[02:14] <Lure> Riddell: any idea why kpowersave does not build on build farm: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/185614
[02:14] <Lure> I have asked on -motu and here, but still no idea how to fix it...
[02:14] <jjesse> morning :)
[02:15] <Lure> I would like to fix this before I go to vacation weekend ;-)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: is the .pot file(s) there?
[02:17] <Lure> yes and it looks sane to me...
[02:17] <Lure> but I am no translation expert....
[02:18] <Lure> build claims it is empty, but it is not...
[02:18] <Lure> Tonio has also added standard export patch for Rosetta, but it does not help either
[02:21] <MidMark> but kernel and other packages in dapper now have debugging data? Because seems to me so slow compared to breezy
[02:31] <raphink> c'est dommage que kword 1.5 ne permette toujours pas de faire du .doc :(
[02:31] <raphink> oops
[02:49] <Riddell> dommage?
[02:51] <superstoned> stupid composite, just crashed my X.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> superstoned: you didnt really want X anyway, did you?   :P  Mind you, it's *far* more fun when you're computer refuses to boot, as opposed to having no X...
[02:53] <Riddell> now now, we prefer to call them "stability restricted programmes" not something politically incorrect like "stupid"
[02:53] <superstoned> lol
[02:53] <superstoned> haha
[02:53] <superstoned> ok, you guys are right. i shouldn't even try it if i want a stable system :D
[02:53] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[02:53] <superstoned> lol
[02:53] <superstoned> anyway, i just read we're gonna have some kwin fixes in our kwin package?
[02:54] <superstoned> (from danimo)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> tha'ts like not allowing us to call ourselves short - instead, "vertically challenged"!  if i'm short for what i'm trying to do, i'll darned well call myself short!
[02:54] <superstoned> :D
[02:54] <Hobbsee> well, a really old one
[02:55] <superstoned> poor hobbsee...
[02:55] <Hobbsee> fortunately, i didnt have to reinstall :P
[02:57] <danimo> superstoned: what change are you looking for in particular?
[02:58] <superstoned> ehm, the focus-fixes?
[02:58] <superstoned> from lubos
[02:58] <superstoned> i've been irritated by kwin for some time - now it works, now it doesn't. click a link in kmail, open in konqi - it opens up on top, tough i'
[02:58] <superstoned> (sorry)
[02:58] <superstoned> ve been using kmail between the click and the loading.
[02:59] <superstoned> and another time, it works fine (eg konqi opens up behind kmail)
[03:00] <raphink> I'll be back on monday evening
[03:00] <raphink> :)
[03:01] <superstoned> kwwii: already packaged and added your crystal patches? imho you can send them to the crystal creator, so he can integrate them. they look great (use em now)!
[03:01] <superstoned> tough i'd love to see a glass look on the titlebar, like suse's windec has, for crystal (or another style). with your buttons :D
[03:01] <Hobbsee> enjoy raphink 
[03:01] <raphink> thanks
[03:01] <superstoned> yeah, enjoy raphink
[03:01] <superstoned> don't eat to many eggs
[03:01] <jpatrick> bye raphink
[03:01] <superstoned> :D
[03:02] <raphink> bye all :)
[03:02] <raphink> superstoned: hehe
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ooh yeah...there must be some of them around here too!
[03:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: grub issue is resolved in new powersave
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Lure: oh good!
[03:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: you need to run sudo grub-set-default 0      
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Lure: that's in tonio's repo now?
[03:07] <Lure> this will fix the missing file
[03:07] <Lure> in universe - 0.12.11-1ubuntu2     
[03:07] <Hobbsee> so what's the sudo grub-set default 0 do?
[03:08] <freeflying> Lure: how about kpowersave now ?
[03:09] <Lure> create missing /boot/grub/default
[03:09] <Lure> freeflying: no progress - walking in the dark :-(
[03:09] <freeflying> Lure: :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:10] <Hobbsee> find some more :P
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm...even the GB mirrors dont have the new powersaved..
[03:11] <freeflying> Hobbsee: use ubntu.com  :)
[03:11] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i may end up doing that...
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Lure: okay, now i'll go test...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> well, it sorta works :D
[03:35] <kwwii> superstoned: no packages yet, I want to wait until I have a finalized version ready, but then I will send them to him to ask to make another case for these buttons with a new name
[03:36] <superstoned> great... kwwii
[03:36] <marseillai> does the msn-deconection was for the entire world or only france?
[03:38] <jpatrick> marseillai: I'm having problems here
[03:38] <marseillai> oki
[03:38] <marseillai> msn came back
[03:38] <marseillai> but during the deconection i was allways able to chat ....
[03:38] <marseillai> so strange
[03:39] <jpatrick> marseillai: same :(
[03:40] <marseillai> jpatrick: now it's fine ....
[03:41] <Hobbsee> marseillai: trouble with msn here too...
[03:41] <marseillai> repair now!
[03:41] <marseillai> since five minutes
[03:41] <Hobbsee> yep, i'ts back
[03:42] <freeflying-ibook> I could use msn all day 
[04:26] <Riddell> Lure: that's quite a broken messages target kpowersave ahs
[04:26] <Riddell> has
[04:31] <Lure> Riddell: indeed
[04:31] <Lure> Riddell: do not know what can be wrong there and Tonio was also out of ideas yesterday
[04:33] <Riddell> leave it to me, I'm fixing
[04:33] <Lure> Riddell: thanks - will look into what you did as I want to learn... ;-)
[04:41] <Riddell> ZuZubuntu-fr: gonnae turn off your away script
[04:49] <Riddell> hello beefsprocket 
[04:52] <beefsprocket> hi Riddell 
[04:57] <beefsprocket> Riddell: the certificate for wiki.kubuntu.org is ok isn't it? just the ubuntu cert copied over?
[05:01] <Riddell> beefsprocket: it's self signed
[05:01] <beefsprocket> ok
[05:06] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[05:06] <jpatrick> hi kmon
[05:08] <Riddell> Lure: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_02_messages_target.diff
[05:09] <Riddell> still complains about getting *ui and *rc files wrong mind, but it's mostly all there
[05:09] <jpatrick> want me to upload that?
[05:10] <Riddell> I already have
[05:11] <Riddell> Lure: you should send that upstream, maybe they have a good reason for the target they use but I don't see it
[05:24] <danimo> did somebody ever try to install dapper in OEM installation mode?
[05:28] <marseillai> kubuntu has no need for gstreamer???? :| i see that i don't have gstreamer 0.10 and that i can without any problem remove gstreamer 0.8 ......
[05:28] <kmon> marseillai: kubuntu uses xine
[05:28] <Tm_T> marseillai: there's xine
[05:28] <Tm_T> and yeah, there's not enough programs using gst 0.10
[05:28] <marseillai> gstreamer is not "cool" ?
[05:28] <Tm_T> amarok uses, well, but it's not maintained
[05:29] <kmon> marseillai: gstreamer is too new
[05:29] <marseillai> oki
[05:29] <Tm_T> all others use _pd_ gst 0.8
[05:29] <Tm_T> old even
[05:29] <marseillai> xine works well but with breezy i used gstreamer so i didn't understand that my upgrade don't install 0.10
[05:30] <marseillai> now i understand
[05:30] <marseillai> thanks
[05:31] <Tm_T> wengophone was when I last time used it, err, quite unorganised (sources I mean)
[05:31] <Tm_T> it was pure mess
[05:34] <marseillai> yes but it's free, qt, OS independant, with IM, voip, visioip ....
[05:34] <marseillai> so want to try it in replacement of msn+skype
[05:37] <Tm_T> heh
[05:37] <Tm_T> doesn't yeat have video jep, but will soon
[05:38] <Tm_T> s/yeat/yet/
[05:38] <Riddell> danimo: OEM mode doesn't work for kubuntu, I need to ask to get that removed
[05:39] <Riddell> although everyone is on holiday just now
[05:39] <Tm_T> ofcourse ;)
[05:41] <danimo> Riddell: do you know what it is supposed to be doing? just add a "oem" user instead of a normal account?
[05:43] <marseillai> danimo: it's supposed to let you do the installation without asking you a username and password! the first launch will ask it to the user .... so it's so good for sailers ..; they can install ubuntu and let the person finish his installation.
[05:45] <Riddell> danimo: adds an oem user, then there's a pygtk program that the oem runs to personalise various things and delete the oem user
[05:45] <Riddell> then oem sells to customer
[05:46] <Riddell> then customer gets a friendly computer personalised by oem and I think there's a first run wizard to add a new user etc
[05:46] <danimo> Riddell: would be nice to have for kubuntu, too. but I think the pygtk makes little sense
[05:46] <Tm_T> hmm, njaard is in vacation...
[05:46] <Riddell> danimo: I'd like to port it to pykde for dapper+1
[05:46] <danimo> Riddell: usually oem distributors don't want to configure every single laptop on their own
[05:47] <danimo> but th OEM mode seems important enough to care about it
[05:47] <Tm_T> it is
[05:48] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller
[05:48] <Riddell> "Create system image and mass-duplicate onto N hard disks."  is the idea
[05:49] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:49] <Tm_T> and on first boot there's "set up user" things
[05:50] <Tm_T> very important
[05:50] <Tm_T> I doubt there will be any kubuntu inside -pc selling without it
[05:51] <Tm_T> big scale I mean ;)
[05:52] <jpatrick> Tm_T: see bug #1
[05:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:52] <Tm_T> jpatrick: I know
[05:52] <jpatrick> ;)
[05:52] <Tm_T> jpatrick: and that's what I'm trying to fix, son ;)
[06:12] <danimo> Riddell: do you know if canonical or anyone else is planning to provide end customer support for OEM installations?
[06:12] <jpatrick> damn cvs
[06:12] <danimo> (either that or 2nd level support for the OEM providers)
[06:12] <Riddell> danimo: I expect they do
[06:13] <Riddell> oh, like the people OEMs sell to?  probably not
[06:13] <Riddell> they'll support the OEMs though
[06:13] <danimo> Riddell: yes, that makes a lot more sense
[06:14] <danimo> Riddell: since OEMs usually do have call center intrastructures in place
[06:14] <Riddell> and see the marketplace webpage for people who do more local support
[06:22] <Riddell> danimo: who's the guy you were talking about earier who hadn't released gpg2?
[06:24] <danimo> Riddell: werner koch
[06:24] <danimo> Riddell: the maintainer
[06:24] <danimo> Riddell: afaik there is still no gpg2, right?
[06:24] <danimo> Riddell: at least for the gpgsm part
[06:29] <Riddell> danimo: yeah, it's version 1.9.19-2
[06:30] <danimo> Riddell: but again: It's been stable for more than a year now, just ship it
[06:30] <Riddell> danimo: got an e-mail for him?
[06:30] <Riddell> it needs main inclusion review and main inclusion reviewer will go "erk, unreleased software"
[06:32] <danimo> Riddell: what do you mean?
[06:36] <Riddell> danimo: in ubuntu software is in main or universe, to get into main it has to go through a quality review
[06:37] <Riddell> and kdepim is in main so gpgsm would also need to be in main if it were to be used
[06:38] <kwwii> Riddell: so which version of the Usplash do I have to make (ie scale per hand)? 
[06:39] <Riddell> kwwii: the kubuntu one?
[06:39] <Riddell> I don't follow
[06:39] <danimo> Riddell: or you could pull kleopatra out into universe
[06:40] <Riddell> danimo: the source package still needs gpgsm to build, kdepim is in main
[06:40] <kwwii> Riddell:  I mean, there are different pics which have different sizes (gfxboot, usplash, grub, syslinux)...do I need to make all the files or is there some conversion in the make that does it?
[06:40] <Riddell> kwwii: you need to make them all
[06:40] <Riddell> what's gfxboot?
[06:41] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, I'll do that
[06:41] <Riddell> grub and syslinux use an unscaled 639x320 image
[06:41] <kwwii> exactly
[06:41] <kwwii> gfxboot is syslinux actually :-9
[06:41] <kwwii> and lilo
[06:41] <Riddell> usplash uses a 600x400 image which on PCs gets scaled to 600x480 ratio
[06:42] <Riddell> but on powerpc doesn't
[06:42] <kwwii> exactly
[06:42] <danimo> kwwii: and how does werner get into the game?
[06:42] <kwwii> I just thought I should ask before doing the work :-)
[06:42] <kwwii> danimo: werner?
[06:43] <danimo> kwwii: Koch, gpg author
[06:43] <kwwii> hehe
[06:44] <Riddell> danimo: if he released a gpgsm with a version number that indicated it was stable then everyone would be a lot happier with it in main
[06:46] <danimo> Riddell: we all would
[06:46] <jpatrick> hi allee
[06:46] <allee> hi jpatrick!
[06:47] <danimo> Riddell: could you write him? (Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>). You know about all the affected packages and the Ubuntu details. Just put me in CC if you like. I have to leave in 10 mins
[06:51] <Riddell> danimo: yes, thanks
[12:03] <kwwii> Riddell: so making the pics is for the different splash's is not going to be hard, testing it is
[12:04] <kwwii> Riddell: whenever you are ready to start testing it, let me know :-)
[12:04] <kwwii> since I only have macs it makes thing really nasty
[12:04] <kwwii> not only do I not have grub
[12:04] <kwwii> the usplash is native perfect
[12:05] <kwwii> but you knew that
[12:05] <kwwii> so what do we do?