[12:06] Lure_: is that the version on my repo ? [12:06] pkgstriptranslations: The following PO/POT files are empty. This is known to [12:06] cause trouble in the translation importer and generally indicates a package [12:06] bug: [12:06] ./po/kpowersave.pot [12:06] dh_builddeb: command returned error code 256 [12:07] and why they build in my pbuilder??? [12:07] Lure_: very strange........ [12:07] Tonio_: yes - this is what jpatrick uploaded earlier today [12:08] Lure_: I will try to build it here too === toma is now known as toma_ [12:09] strangely, po/kpowersave.pot is not empty - will download source from universe.... [12:09] Lure_: pbuilder doesn't include the rosetta version of pkgstriptranslations [12:10] Riddell: ok, that at least explains why it builds here... [12:11] Lure_: is the pot file empty in sources ? [12:12] no [12:12] Lure_: hum........... [12:12] btw, freeflying asked for Rosetta support as he is not staisfied with chinese translations [12:13] po/kpowersave.pot is not empty file, but all msgstr are "" [12:13] maybe that is the problem?! [12:14] kwwii: your crystal works for me! [12:14] looks nice [12:14] Lure_: that can be yes..... [12:14] superstoned_: cool! [12:15] kwwii: where is new crystal? [12:15] Lure_: if all messages are empty, probably rbetter removing the rosetta patch no ? [12:15] Tonio_: there is no rosetta patch in there - should there be one === Lure_ known nothing about rosetta [12:15] Lure_: knetworkmanager uploaded [12:15] Lure_: no. That's normal that msgstr is empty. Important is that msgid contains strings [12:16] Lure_: hum....... a kdepot patch is required for pot file to be extracted to rosetta [12:16] allee: msgid is ok (english) [12:16] Lure_: will look at the sources [12:16] allee: is that normal ? okay... [12:16] Tonio_: just get them with apt-get from universe [12:16] Lure_: to translate you do cp .pot .po and start to fill msgstr with your translation [12:17] allee: ok, now I get it - and what does rosetta do to .po files? [12:18] Lure_: indeed, no kdepot patch there........ [12:18] Lure_: rosetta will merge new msdids into existing translations (removing no longer existing msgid too I assume) [12:18] Tonio_: now I see it in knm package - patch for rosetta export (perl stuff) === Lure_ has not coded in perl for at least 3 years ;-) [12:19] Lure_: we may try to add the kdepotpatch and reupload to see if that changes something..... [12:19] Lure_: anyway, it is always nice to add the patch so........ [12:19] Tonio_: if you know what to try, please do so ;) [12:21] afaiu kdepotpatch just removed msgid from .pot that are found in kdelibs. So they duplicate string have only to translated once. [12:21] s/they/the/ [12:22] highway is waiting. til tomorrow. Bye [12:24] Lure_: uploaded, but I doubt that will change something [12:24] Tonio_: at least you tried ;-) [12:24] Lure_: hehe [12:24] Lure_: all packages are uploaded now ;) [12:25] ok, thanks [12:25] powersave one is important, as it can make system to not boot ;-) [12:25] (for some users) [12:30] How so Lure_ ? [12:31] sebas: I tried to explain it here - http://forge.novell.com/pipermail/powersave-devel/2006-April/000469.html [12:31] ubuntu does not have grubonce binary and therefore not all code gets executed [12:32] but the removal code gets executed anyhow [12:35] Lure_: Ah, hm. [12:41] Tonio_: great! 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[n=tobias@p54A61656.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:41] kdebase takes forever to build [07:41] i'm pissed about all the kubuntu patches there. oh well. === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-105-147.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-63-87.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:32] hendry: ping [08:47] freeflying: hallo [08:48] hendry: have your skim worked ? [08:48] freeflying: atie says there has been some sort of fix with scim-hangul [08:48] so I am going to try a new build tonight/tomorrow [08:48] hendry: I have added [08:52] freeflying: you have added it? [08:53] ok, i think i see the change [08:53] hendry: ya [08:53] freeflying: where are you btw? [08:53] taiwan? [08:55] hendry: China PRC [08:55] freeflying: Beijing? [08:55] hendry: HeFei, AnHui [08:56] freeflying: no idea where that is [08:56] well, i'll be visiting Beijing on the 24th for a week [08:57] hendry: welcome you , maybe you know the HuangShang Mountain === hendry checks wikipedia [08:59] no idea. I know very little about China. That's why I am keen to visit! [09:00] http://surink.com/c:a # ooh, they look great [09:00] freeflying: you are better in translation packaging issues - can you check this failed build https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/185614 [09:00] I do not understand what is wrong (we tried something with Tonio, but failed) [09:00] it works in pbuilder, but on build farm it gets wrong due to Rosetta stuff [09:01] Lure: heh , ther some errors in translation [09:04] freeflying: can you check - error is confusing as it claims that .pot is empty, but it is not... [09:09] Lure: okey === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luka74 [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hiasll [n=hiasll@213-229-63-86.static.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:35] hellow [09:36] verwilst_: hey === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-103-12.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] Riddell: only one thing, why kubuntu devels has decided to not implement a theme also for a graphic login with the list of the users? [11:09] MidMark: kdm doesn't support it [11:10] Riddell: ah it supports only the default kde version? [11:10] it doesn't support a list of users [11:12] but when you put theme=false in kdmrc you have a list of users, but it isn't themable, this is the problem? [11:13] ok, it supports it if you don't have a pretty theme, but with a theme it isn't supported [11:14] toma_: what's EBN? [11:14] Riddell: ok thanx [11:24] does someone know where is in kubuntu the "temperature" file? my /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ directory is empty. [11:26] list of users is a security risk and dosen't work very well if you have > 1000 users [11:28] seaLne: you doon't often hvae a graphic login when you have 1000+ users [11:28] lab machines [11:28] most OSes use a list of users for login by default and I don't think anybody complains [11:28] or staff desktops [11:29] yeah had to turn it off in winxp [11:29] hyehe [11:30] at least name completion for the user list would be great [11:31] user list is fine for home use but is bad/unusable for "corporate" [11:31] seaLne: most k/x/ubuntu users are home ones so far [11:31] surely that isn't the long term plan :) [11:32] i have a small lab that uses kubuntu [11:32] yes I know [11:32] I mean I know it's not the long term plan === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.93] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:32] Riddell: shall we really need add so much "linux basics " in desktopguide ? [11:33] are the linux basics KDE/kubuntu specific? [11:38] seaLne: no [11:39] sounds like there should be a *ubuntu basics guide aswell then? (yeah more work, no I don't have the time to do it so I'll shut up :) [11:39] seaLne: :) === marseillai [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-63-87.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] freeflying: so today the skim icon in the system tray has turned into a keyboard and I can select Japanese->Anthy when I click on it [11:41] but I still can't get it to do very much else [11:42] Riddell: you mean you can not input an japanese ? [11:42] yes, I can't input japanese [11:42] control-space still doesn't do anything [11:43] I know that user list is bad for a lot of users, but it is nice and faster for home users [11:44] has anyone else lost crossfading in recent amarok? [11:44] if you choose anthy from the skim , then you needn't do Ctrl+spac [11:45] Riddell: you can just input , or you needn's choose it from system tray , or just use Ctrl+space === luka74 [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] hmm, doesn't work === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:56] Riddell: then I don't know :) [12:02] hi superstoned [12:02] hi! [12:06] what is supposed to happen with skim? when i click on the tray icon i get a small grey rectangle that dosen't seem to do anything === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] seaLne: have you installed any scim module such as scim-pinyin scim-anthy [12:08] no, installing now, they wern't recommended by skim [12:09] hmm still the same [12:10] seaLne: which locale r u using now ? [12:10] en_GB i think [12:11] seaLne: install libapt-pkg-perl and do " im-switch -z en_GB -s scim-xxx" scim-xx is what you've installed [12:12] seaLne: good luck [12:12] seaLne: restart X , you can use skim by "Ctrl+Spac" [12:12] Riddell: heh [12:13] hmm restart X, maybe not atm :) [12:14] seaLne: right click on any text input box, can you see "select input method " now ? [12:14] btw riddell what's new in the new KDE packages (ubuntu7)?!? [12:14] (adept should support changelogs...) [12:15] (mornfall?) === superstoned is heading for bugs.kde.org [12:15] simple composing input method and XIM [12:17] seaLne: no " scim" [12:20] seaLne: have you installed scim-qtimm ? [12:22] installed now, i guess i need to restart, i'm supposed to be finishing stripping paint from a door today, so i'll play more later thanks [12:24] aaad [12:24] d [12:24] Riddell: you got it ? [12:24] interesting, it started working :) === seaLne thinks he dosen't have utf8 here :) [12:25] no idea how, I think it just takes lots of reboots of X [12:25] Riddell: we have diveintopython's zh_CN version , so how can I add it === jr [n=jr@82.138.218.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] sdqqfps [12:26] freeflying: what format is it in? [12:26] Riddell: docbook and xml [12:27] Riddell: but the package's is html === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:28] the source package may be docbook [12:29] Riddell: no , it's html format [12:30] Riddell: or can I make a new package named diveintopython-zh [12:30] a new package may be the best way, doesn't seem very elegant though [12:30] I'd try to keep the same source package [12:31] Riddell: but we are in deep freeze now , can new package be accept? [12:34] good point, need to wait until after beta === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AE03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NoDgr [n=pi8ikas@ppp127-162.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === patrick_ [n=patrick@235.Red-83-56-252.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] boo [01:09] better now :) [01:09] jpatrick: boo yourself! === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:16] hi kmon [01:16] hi jpatrick [01:16] kmon: kbfx fixed [01:16] I've already noticed, thanks :) [01:16] could you help me verify 2 bugs I have in kubuntu? [01:17] yep [01:18] the first one is this: With the recent fix for the system:/home kio I can't use the right click action in konqueror to compress a file [01:18] for example [01:18] open up konqueror via system:/home/any_folder [01:18] and try to compress a file using ark via the right click action [01:19] It shows a progress window that never ends [01:19] compressing.... [01:19] confirmed.. === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:20] hi kwwii [01:20] howdy Hobbsee [01:20] jpatrick: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index [01:20] Malone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:21] could you confirm the bug? [01:21] and the other bug. To confirm this you need a divx file in a cd/dvd === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] Riddell: ping? [01:23] If I insert a dvd/cd with some big media files and click on them to launch kaffeine, konqueror makes a local copy of the file in a temp folder and then launches kaffeine. This happens when konqueror uses the system:/ kio slave. If I navigate to the folder without the system:/ kio then kaffeine is launched without making a copy of the file [01:23] I don't know if I made myself clear :) [01:24] It's annoying since everytime I insert a dvd with divx films and I click on them to play it begins a temp copy of a 600MB file [01:24] when there's no real need for that... [01:25] dvd:// [01:26] mmmm [01:26] it's not happening here anymore [01:26] with system:/ koi [01:26] kio [01:26] maybe it's with dvd:// [01:26] or maybe it's fixed and I didn't noticed :) [01:27] danimo: hi [01:28] jpatrick: forget that one, I can't reproduce it anymore :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:29] but the system:/ kio is not working nicely [01:30] what's more [01:30] I can't create a link to a app in a folder in konqueror using a relative path with system:/ kio [01:31] it gives an error message [01:32] it says: I don't have privileges to write to /home/documentos/Enlace a aplicacion.desktop [01:33] Riddell: you removed the smime gpgme packages? [01:33] Riddell: doesn't even debian have packages for them nowadays? [01:33] danimo: on dapper? [01:33] Riddell: yes [01:34] tried installing kleopatra? [01:34] Riddell: no, I was just reading your blog [01:34] Riddell: and your postings about kubuntu.de [01:34] Riddell: you said something about unreleased packages [01:35] Riddell: The new fixes to system:/ kio slave doesn't work nicely, see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/30688/+index [01:35] Malone bug 30688 in kdebase kdebase-kio-plugins "kioslave system:/ doesn't work properly." [Normal,Confirmed] [01:35] Riddell: the truth is that werner considers those packages stable [01:35] Riddell: what leads your to the assumption that they are unreleased? [01:35] Riddell: the versioning scheme? [01:36] yeah, it uses gpg 2 doesn't it? [01:37] Riddell: yes. I tried to urge werner about almost a year ago to release the packages as 2.0 [01:37] but for some reason he can't be bothered [01:38] Riddell: I'm not sure if that should be a reason for us not to package it, since in fact it _is_ a huge selling point for KMail [01:38] Riddell: not only in germany [01:38] Riddell: btw: did you repackage kwin? the crash is still present [01:38] I wonder why nobody else notices it [01:39] no I havn't, can you point me towards the fix again? [01:40] Riddell: i'm on it [01:42] Riddell: generally, it seems a good idea to diff branch vs tag, since dirk committed quite some coverity fixes [01:43] for kwin? [01:43] Riddell: yes [01:43] Riddell: lubos fixed a couple of focuschain bugs [01:43] ok, I'll try and do that today [01:44] gine [01:44] fine [01:53] Riddell: did you see the bug I've mentioned before about system:/ ? [01:54] kmon: just read it in my e-mail, is this from an update from today or yesterday? [01:55] I've updated my system today [01:55] so probably caused by removin tonio's patch. but this should be the default KDE behaviour now [01:55] and I can't imagine default KDE behaviour is to be so broken === danimo wonders if anyone else has problems with networkmanager not ajusting the ESSID properly on connect since the last update === kmon leaves to eat... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] Riddell: any idea why kpowersave does not build on build farm: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/185614 [02:14] I have asked on -motu and here, but still no idea how to fix it... [02:14] morning :) [02:15] I would like to fix this before I go to vacation weekend ;-) [02:17] Lure: is the .pot file(s) there? [02:17] yes and it looks sane to me... [02:17] but I am no translation expert.... [02:18] build claims it is empty, but it is not... [02:18] Tonio has also added standard export patch for Rosetta, but it does not help either [02:21] but kernel and other packages in dapper now have debugging data? Because seems to me so slow compared to breezy [02:31] c'est dommage que kword 1.5 ne permette toujours pas de faire du .doc :( [02:31] oops === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-26-141.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === incinerator [n=incinera@82-41-24-164.cable.ubr04.edin.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] dommage? [02:51] stupid composite, just crashed my X. [02:52] superstoned: you didnt really want X anyway, did you? :P Mind you, it's *far* more fun when you're computer refuses to boot, as opposed to having no X... [02:53] now now, we prefer to call them "stability restricted programmes" not something politically incorrect like "stupid" [02:53] lol [02:53] haha [02:53] ok, you guys are right. i shouldn't even try it if i want a stable system :D [02:53] hehe! [02:53] lol [02:53] anyway, i just read we're gonna have some kwin fixes in our kwin package? [02:54] (from danimo) [02:54] tha'ts like not allowing us to call ourselves short - instead, "vertically challenged"! if i'm short for what i'm trying to do, i'll darned well call myself short! [02:54] :D === Hobbsee makes a mental note to make a new backup, after yesterday's fun, with no backup. [02:54] well, a really old one [02:55] poor hobbsee... === superstoned taps hobbsee on the back [02:55] fortunately, i didnt have to reinstall :P === Hobbsee got lucky with a recovery console, which got me back onto IRC, which then got people to tell me what to do to fix the non-booting system... [02:57] superstoned: what change are you looking for in particular? [02:58] ehm, the focus-fixes? [02:58] from lubos [02:58] i've been irritated by kwin for some time - now it works, now it doesn't. click a link in kmail, open in konqi - it opens up on top, tough i' [02:58] (sorry) [02:58] ve been using kmail between the click and the loading. [02:59] and another time, it works fine (eg konqi opens up behind kmail) === raphink is off for easter weekend :) [03:00] I'll be back on monday evening [03:00] :) [03:01] kwwii: already packaged and added your crystal patches? imho you can send them to the crystal creator, so he can integrate them. they look great (use em now)! [03:01] tough i'd love to see a glass look on the titlebar, like suse's windec has, for crystal (or another style). with your buttons :D === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:01] enjoy raphink [03:01] thanks [03:01] yeah, enjoy raphink [03:01] don't eat to many eggs [03:01] bye raphink [03:01] :D [03:02] bye all :) [03:02] superstoned: hehe [03:02] ooh yeah...there must be some of them around here too! === Hobbsee has been out all day :P [03:06] Hobbsee: grub issue is resolved in new powersave [03:06] Lure: oh good! [03:06] Hobbsee: you need to run sudo grub-set-default 0 [03:07] Lure: that's in tonio's repo now? [03:07] this will fix the missing file [03:07] in universe - 0.12.11-1ubuntu2 [03:07] so what's the sudo grub-set default 0 do? [03:08] Lure: how about kpowersave now ? [03:09] create missing /boot/grub/default [03:09] freeflying: no progress - walking in the dark :-( [03:09] Lure: :) === Hobbsee waits for the new version to hit the mirrors... === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure will go away soon - out of batteries [03:10] hehe [03:10] find some more :P [03:10] hmmm...even the GB mirrors dont have the new powersaved.. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] Hobbsee: use ubntu.com :) [03:11] freeflying: i may end up doing that... [03:14] Lure: okay, now i'll go test... === Hobbsee knows the fix this time... === ZuZubuntu-fr is now known as AWAY === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:19] well, it sorta works :D === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] superstoned: no packages yet, I want to wait until I have a finalized version ready, but then I will send them to him to ask to make another case for these buttons with a new name [03:36] great... kwwii [03:36] does the msn-deconection was for the entire world or only france? [03:38] marseillai: I'm having problems here [03:38] oki [03:38] msn came back [03:38] but during the deconection i was allways able to chat .... [03:38] so strange [03:39] marseillai: same :( [03:40] jpatrick: now it's fine .... [03:41] marseillai: trouble with msn here too... [03:41] repair now! [03:41] since five minutes [03:41] yep, i'ts back === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] I could use msn all day [04:26] Lure: that's quite a broken messages target kpowersave ahs [04:26] has [04:31] Riddell: indeed [04:31] Riddell: do not know what can be wrong there and Tonio was also out of ideas yesterday [04:33] leave it to me, I'm fixing [04:33] Riddell: thanks - will look into what you did as I want to learn... ;-) === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-6-87.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] ZuZubuntu-fr: gonnae turn off your away script === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === beefsprocket [n=beefspro@bas1-toronto02-1242319374.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:49] hello beefsprocket [04:52] hi Riddell [04:57] Riddell: the certificate for wiki.kubuntu.org is ok isn't it? just the ubuntu cert copied over? [05:01] beefsprocket: it's self signed [05:01] ok === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:06] hi jpatrick [05:06] hi kmon [05:08] Lure: http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu_02_messages_target.diff [05:09] still complains about getting *ui and *rc files wrong mind, but it's mostly all there [05:09] want me to upload that? [05:10] I already have [05:11] Lure: you should send that upstream, maybe they have a good reason for the target they use but I don't see it === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] did somebody ever try to install dapper in OEM installation mode? [05:28] kubuntu has no need for gstreamer???? :| i see that i don't have gstreamer 0.10 and that i can without any problem remove gstreamer 0.8 ...... [05:28] marseillai: kubuntu uses xine [05:28] marseillai: there's xine [05:28] and yeah, there's not enough programs using gst 0.10 [05:28] gstreamer is not "cool" ? [05:28] amarok uses, well, but it's not maintained [05:29] marseillai: gstreamer is too new [05:29] oki [05:29] all others use _pd_ gst 0.8 [05:29] old even [05:29] xine works well but with breezy i used gstreamer so i didn't understand that my upgrade don't install 0.10 [05:30] now i understand [05:30] thanks === marseillai going to try wengoophone [05:31] wengophone was when I last time used it, err, quite unorganised (sources I mean) [05:31] it was pure mess [05:34] yes but it's free, qt, OS independant, with IM, voip, visioip .... [05:34] so want to try it in replacement of msn+skype [05:37] heh === Tm_T loves jabber [05:37] doesn't yeat have video jep, but will soon [05:38] s/yeat/yet/ [05:38] danimo: OEM mode doesn't work for kubuntu, I need to ask to get that removed [05:39] although everyone is on holiday just now [05:39] ofcourse ;) [05:41] Riddell: do you know what it is supposed to be doing? just add a "oem" user instead of a normal account? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AE03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:43] danimo: it's supposed to let you do the installation without asking you a username and password! the first launch will ask it to the user .... so it's so good for sailers ..; they can install ubuntu and let the person finish his installation. [05:45] danimo: adds an oem user, then there's a pygtk program that the oem runs to personalise various things and delete the oem user [05:45] then oem sells to customer [05:46] then customer gets a friendly computer personalised by oem and I think there's a first run wizard to add a new user etc [05:46] Riddell: would be nice to have for kubuntu, too. but I think the pygtk makes little sense [05:46] hmm, njaard is in vacation... [05:46] danimo: I'd like to port it to pykde for dapper+1 [05:46] Riddell: usually oem distributors don't want to configure every single laptop on their own [05:47] but th OEM mode seems important enough to care about it [05:47] it is [05:48] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/OEMInstaller [05:48] "Create system image and mass-duplicate onto N hard disks." is the idea [05:49] yeah [05:49] and on first boot there's "set up user" things [05:50] very important [05:50] I doubt there will be any kubuntu inside -pc selling without it [05:51] big scale I mean ;) === Tm_T should spread kubuntu discs to local PC stores when dapper is released [05:52] Tm_T: see bug #1 [05:52] Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [05:52] jpatrick: I know [05:52] ;) [05:52] jpatrick: and that's what I'm trying to fix, son ;) === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-6-87.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Time] [06:12] Riddell: do you know if canonical or anyone else is planning to provide end customer support for OEM installations? [06:12] damn cvs [06:12] (either that or 2nd level support for the OEM providers) [06:12] danimo: I expect they do [06:13] oh, like the people OEMs sell to? probably not [06:13] they'll support the OEMs though [06:13]