=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:jbailey] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity | Flight 6 released | LP upgraded, report issues on #launchpad | Beta freeze has begun.
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[12:26] <Kamion> mdz: oh, wow, setting a busy cursor while moving from page to page makes espresso feel so much more responsive even if it takes exactly the same amount of time
[12:26] <Kamion> (it turned out to be easier and safer than I expected)
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[12:46] <sabdfl> Kamion: good find
[12:48] <sabdfl> "ubiquity"
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[12:48] <Tm_T> indeed
=== Tm_T hopes we get nice and well working KDE-equiv done soon ;)
[12:49] <Riddell> Tm_T: of what?
[12:49] <Kamion> Riddell reckons he's making good progress; I must confess I haven't had time to try it myself
[12:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: espresso, that's what you're doing right?
[12:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: yeah, you should try it, it's working well
[12:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, I will, tomorrow maybe ;)
[12:51] <Riddell> still plenty to do of course
[12:51] <Riddell> qtparted needs a bit of a session
=== Tm_T has now excuse to install Kubuntu to one of his friends pc =)
[12:51] <Tm_T> muhaha
[12:51] <Tm_T> "whoops, I didn't know livecd can do that"
[12:51] <Riddell> Tm_T: careful, it's a beta installer, it might wipe the whole hard disk
[12:52] <Tm_T> even better
[12:52] <Tm_T> that helps me fix bug 1 ;)
[12:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
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[01:10] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[01:10] <mdke> hi bddebian 
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[01:55] <nekohayo> okay I have a suggestion/question, don't know who to speak to: why not remove the "lock screen" option from the gnome "system" menu? Since that option is now in the ubuntu logout dialog? just a thought.
[01:55] <mdke> I'd rather it was the other way round
[01:55] <mdke> i use the lock screen from the menu quite a lot, but never in the logout dialogue
[01:56] <bddebian> Any chance someone can give me some pointers on install.. vs. dh_install vs <pkg>.install ?
[01:56] <bddebian> I'm having issues on a couple of packages
[02:11] <azeem> dh_install uses <pkg>.install (if available) to figure out what to put where
[02:12] <bddebian> Well I've been having good luck with dh_install by itself but 3 packages are kicking my butt because they encompass multiple binary packages
[02:12] <bddebian> But dh_install -p<pkg> isn't putting them in the right places either :-(
[02:12] <azeem> then maybe the <pkg>.install files have syntax errors
[02:13] <Kamion> put DH_VERBOSE=1 in the environment and dh_install will tell you exactly what it's doing
[02:13] <Kamion> it also sometimes happens that you get screwed over by an exported DH_OPTIONS that conflicts with the -p you give explicitly
[02:14] <bddebian> Of course all three of these packages take FOREVER to build :-)
[02:14] <Kamion> you can just run the relevant dh_install commands by hand
[02:14] <Kamion> dh_install is idempotent so you can do that freely even after the build's over/failed
[02:14] <Kamion> debian/rules binary is generally idempotent, too - you can run it independently of build, and multiple times
[02:15] <bddebian> Here's another one:
[02:15] <bddebian> cp debian/dxicon.xpm debian/tmp/usr/lib/dx/
[02:15] <bddebian> install -d -m644 debian/dxicon.xpm debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps/
[02:15] <bddebian> install: `debian/dxicon.xpm' exists but is not a directory
[02:15] <bddebian> Doesn't like the trailing / ?
[02:15] <Kamion> somebody didn't read the install(1) man page
[02:15] <Kamion>        -d, --directory
[02:15] <Kamion>               treat all arguments as directory names; create all  com
[02:15] <Kamion>               ponents of the specified directories
[02:15] <bddebian> Oh shit, I meant -D
[02:16] <bddebian> grr
[02:16] <Kamion> that install command means "please create the directories debian/dxicon.xpm and debian/tmp/usr/share/pixmaps/"
[02:16] <Kamion> -D sounds a bit more likely, yes
[02:17] <bddebian> Crap and dx takes forever ...
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[02:17] <Kamion> use debian/rules binary, don't rebuild the whole thing
[02:17] <Kamion> well, fakeroot debian/rules binary
[02:18] <bddebian> Can I do that if I used -tc?
[02:18] <azeem> what is -tc?
[02:18] <Kamion> no; don't do that
[02:18] <nekohayo> mdke: either way I would be happy... just don't have it as a duplicate for nothing however :)
[02:18] <bddebian> azeem: tail clean
[02:18] <Kamion> if you care about package build times it's a rather self-destructive option to use
[02:19] <azeem> oh, never heard of that
[02:19] <bddebian> Hmm, well that explains a lot
[02:21] <bddebian> And of course dx doesn't clean up after itself properly :'-(
[02:21] <bddebian> thanks for your time azeem and Kamion
[02:21] <Kamion> np
[02:24] <bddebian> Can I wildcard with install?  I.E.  install -D -m644 debian/*.desktop debian/tmp/usr/share/applications/ ?
[02:24] <Kamion> yes
[02:24] <bddebian> sweet
[02:24] <Kamion> the shell expands that to multiple source arguments
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[02:29] <bddebian> Does this look valid?:
[02:29] <bddebian> install -D -m644 debian/*.desktop debian/$(cdbs_curpkg)/usr/share/applications
[02:32] <Kamion> sure
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[02:56] <Riddell> Kamion: kde espresso good to merge
[02:57] <Kamion> ok, I'm sort of giving up on fixing the reboot button in GNOME anyway
[02:57] <Kamion> gnome.ui.Client does not love me
[03:00] <Riddell> Kamion: I remove gtk from kdb_chooser, I checked quickly with gtkui but you might want to confirm that it really isn't used
[03:01] <Riddell> Kamion: are we going to remove the NoDisplay on the .desktop files for the beta?
[03:01] <Kamion> yeah, that's fine, it was a leftover
[03:01] <Kamion> Riddell: suppose we could
[03:02] <Kamion> espresso should remove itself from the installed system now
[03:03] <Kamion> merged and pushed
[03:05] <Kamion> and NoDisplay=true removed too, thanks for the suggestion
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[03:18] <bddebian> Frickin' A, finally.. Thanks again Kamion and azeem!
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[03:28] <Kamion> aha, gnome-session-save --kill --silent
[03:28] <Kamion> NEED BIGGER HAMMER
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[03:45] <Kamion> right, God willing, that's the last espresso upload needed before beta
[03:47] <Kamion> now just a quick investigation of that console-data build failure and maybe I can go to bed
[03:48] <bddebian> Ack, I cannot get a desktop file in dx to dave my life.. :'-(
[03:50] <Kamion> oh, drat, will probably need a new upload for translations anyway
[03:50] <Kamion> oh well
[03:51] <sabdfl> Kamion: can you rename espresso pre-beta?
[03:51] <Kamion> sabdfl: I brought that up in the distro team meeting, and mdz said post-beta
[03:51] <sabdfl> ok
[03:51] <Amaranth> rename it to what?
[03:51] <sabdfl> ...
[03:51] <sabdfl> drumroll
[03:51] <sabdfl> ...
[03:52] <Kamion> which makes some sense since I have one working day left before the beta (Wednesday)
[03:52] <Kamion> ubiquity
[03:54] <Kamion> damn, should've removed "Espresso" from the title bar; I removed it everywhere else, I think
[03:54] <sabdfl> never mind... it's looking great
[03:54] <sabdfl> will file bugs post-beta
[03:55] <Kamion> I might as well fix that now
[03:55] <bddebian> Kamion: If you get a second.  If rules is dumping everything in debian/tmp/foo/bar, how do I make install package specific?
[03:56] <Kamion> bddebian: sorry, it's 3am, I probably can't explain it coherently
[03:56] <Kamion> but typically either you install straight to debian/<packagename> for each one, or you install to debian/tmp and then use dh_install to split out to multiple packages
[03:57] <bddebian> Well I have dh_install -ppaw++ but it isn't working.  Anyway, sorry, go to bed :-)
[03:58] <Kamion> sabdfl: ok, "Espresso" should now appear nowhere in the UI, GTK at least (I'm not going to attempt to modify the KDE one just now)
[03:59] <Kamion> title bar is "Install System Permanently" instead
[04:01] <Kamion> (matches desktop icon name)
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[04:16] <Amaranth> ubiquity?
[04:16] <Amaranth> the installer is omnipresent?
[04:17] <bddebian> heh
[04:17] <bddebian> No, I am omnipresent ;-)
[04:17] <Amaranth> well, i can't prove you wrong... ;)
[04:17] <bddebian> :-)
[04:19] <Kamion> Amaranth: the idea is more that it helps Ubuntu to be omnipresent
[04:19] <Kamion> c.f. bug #1
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Baltix "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:20] <Amaranth> Kamion: ah, neat
[04:20] <Amaranth> baltix?
[04:20] <Kamion> side-effect of multiple tasks on the one bug
[04:21] <Amaranth> yeah, i see that
[04:21] <Kamion> ubugtu doesn't quite know which to pick
[04:22] <Kamion> also, ubiquity is just a really good word, and has phonetic similarity to Ubuntu without causing branding troubles
[04:22] <Kamion> (that similarity being why we wanted to rename from "espresso")
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[08:15] <Burgundavia> mako: you around?
[08:20] <desrt> Burgundavia; you got told off on p.g.o incase you didn't notice :)
[08:20] <Burgundavia> desrt: yes, but the abiword people agree with me
[08:20] <desrt> oh
[08:20] <desrt> that's good, at least
[08:20] <Burgundavia> besides, tbh, it is a dobey, who isn't known to be the most polite
[08:20] <desrt> someone closed your favourite bug on launchpad a while ago :(
[08:21] <Burgundavia> yes, I saw that
[08:21] <Burgundavia> can't win 'em all
[08:21] <desrt> bad aditude
[08:21] <mako> Burgundavia: yes
[08:22] <mako> Burgundavia: when do you leave?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> mako: tomorrow morning. In about 8 hours
[08:23] <Burgundavia> I come back sunday night, PDT
[08:24] <mako> Burgundavia: ok
[08:25] <Burgundavia> mako: did you get my pm?
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[11:14] <Lathiat> hrm, gnome-power-managers battery icon isnt so good
[11:14] <Lathiat> i've got 48% and it looks like i have <1/3r
[11:14] <Lathiat> and is yellow which usually means about that
[11:20] <neuralis> Lathiat: the g-p-m icons don't go well with the rest of the icons, either; it's rather cartooney. ideally we could get the whole set replaced, but i'm not sure if the ubuntu-artwork guys are working on it.
[11:22] <sebpayne> are there going to be some new OOo icons for dapper?
[11:23] <_ion>   mgapdesk: Depends: xserver-xfree86 but it is not installable
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[11:36] <Lathiat> neuralis: i dont mind that so much
[11:36] <Lathiat> and now im on 30% and thats red
[11:36] <Lathiat> no sure thats the best set of marks
[11:44] <mdke> Lathiat, i have to say, that is the most irritating bug in dapper for me right now.
[11:45] <hile> Lathiat: and when the battery charge goes from 49 to 51 percent it suddently shows green icon which looks like 70% full...
[11:45] <mdke> but I think that the gpm maintainer is not going to fix it
[11:45] <mdke> so i switched back to the gnome applet for battery monitoring
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[11:45] <mdke> Lathiat, if you wanna comment, it might help: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/32921
[11:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32921 in gnome-power-manager "battery monitor is red even when I have over 30% battery left" [Minor,Unconfirmed]  
[11:47] <mdke> but anyway, the gnome applet icons are much nicer, and it has a preference to show the percentage on the panel, so I prefer it anyway
[11:47] <hile> yeah, me too think percentage is much more useful 
[11:49] <mdke> hile, get busy and comment on the bug, they won't fix it unless a few people are annoyed by it, I reckon
[11:49] <hile> btw, do you know which part is now locking my screen when I unplug ac-adapter? it's really annoying and I see no option to switch it off (looked at /etc/acpi files with no luck)
[11:50] <Lathiat> haha nice bug
[11:50] <mdke> hile, probably gnome-power-manager again :/
[11:50] <hile> for me it's ok to lock screen when lid is closed, but _not_ when AC-adapter is unplugged
[11:51] <hile> yep, it's gpm  (killed the process and tried again)
[11:51] <mdke> I have the opposite, my screen doesn't lock when it should :)
[11:52] <hile> funny, after restarting gnome-power-manager it does _not_ lock it anymore
[11:52] <hile> maybe the bug has been fixed but I've been just running old process ;
[12:00] <Lathiat> haha
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[12:51] <elkbuntu> surely there cannot be 108 upgrades that are detected with dist-upgrade/upgrade but update notifier doesnt alert one about...
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[12:52] <mdke> elkbuntu, you're right, sounds like a bug
[12:52] <elkbuntu> let me check if the notifier is even going...
[12:53] <elkbuntu> it is indeed running
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[12:55] <mdke> elkbuntu, it's a bit sluggish here too. I've just updated my sources and the icon is greyed out
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[12:56] <mdke> ah, now it's gone red
[12:56] <elkbuntu> well i did apt-get update before checking dist/upgrade and notifier hasnt shown its face yet, and i did the command like... um... 5 mins ago
[12:56] <elkbuntu> usually it shows within a minute
[12:56] <mdke> hmm, works here. maybe file a bug?
[12:56] <mdke> or look for one already open
[12:57] <elkbuntu> yeah will when i finish helping in +1
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[01:15] <elkbuntu> mdke, i believe it is this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/38922 .. are either of the developers listed there in here?
[01:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38922 in update-notifier "Does not show up on Gnome Panel" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:16] <mdke> elkbuntu, no, he goes by the nick of mvo. Maybe taking a holiday today, it's a holiday in many countries
[01:16] <elkbuntu> hmm, maybe it's not that, list permissions are correct...
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[01:30] <glatzor> ping smurf 
[01:38] <_ion> Yay.
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[01:40] <glatzor> _ion, could you provide some details? :)
[01:40] <_ion> glatzor: I'll post information later today, ok?
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[01:57] <elkbuntu> mdke, ooh just noticed that update-notifier was one of the updates... so i installed it and i now at least have a greyed version of it in the taskbar
[01:58] <elkbuntu> mdke, and yay, it's telling me i have updates
[01:58] <Riddell> Kamion: can you merge and upload kde espresso?  should be good now for beta
[01:59] <Riddell> or I can upload
[01:59] <mdke> elkbuntu, good news
[01:59] <elkbuntu> mdke, i never thought to look at -what- the updates were before. i only had like 4 hours sleep last night so that might have been the cause of that misjudgement ;)
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[02:02] <Riddell> oh, it's easter, Kamion will be on holiday
[02:02] <Riddell> I'll just upload then
[02:07] <Kamion> Riddell: can I do it?
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[02:08] <Kamion> only 'cos I'm trying to find somebody to repair my car today though
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[02:11] <Kamion> Riddell: BTW it's not quite accurate that I haven't had time to make the breezy update CDs (although obviously there's some of that element too); I'm waiting on some archive infrastructural fixes before I can get the necessary updates in
[02:11] <Kamion> Daniel's been on that, and I'll probably kludge something together on the katie side if necessary
[02:11] <Kamion> (reading https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-April/004871.html)
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[02:16] <Kamion> Riddell: actually, I've got to do other things - I'll merge, but go ahead and upload it yourself
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[02:18] <Kamion> just make sure you've done debian/rules update and that there aren't extraneous diffs in d-i/source/, obviously
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[02:26] <Riddell> Kamion: sure
[02:27] <Kamion> ta
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[02:31] <mdke> ooh cool
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[03:32] <martin1976> Hi, I do not know if this is a german room or not, so we are in english, can anybody help me at reconfiguration/finding/reinitialisation of my lancard ?
[03:33] <martin1976> I nee some system reconfiguration commands
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[03:34] <irvin> martin1976, pls join #ubuntu for user help/support
[03:34] <slomo__> martin1976: or #ubuntu.de for german support
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[03:35] <martin1976> thats where I came from, there is nobody able to help me.
[03:35] <azeem> martin1976: then maybe try the forums or mailing lists
[03:35] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:35] <azeem> this channel is not the right place, sory
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[03:37] <martin1976> then  let me say, dont you know the term usability ??? 
[03:37] <azeem> sure
[03:37] <azeem> martin1976: but user support is not the same as software usability
[03:38] <TheK> martin1976, here it's more the problem of reading, not of using ;)
[03:38] <TheK> "devel" means "development", not "support"
[03:38] <martin1976> If so help me !!! If the software isn't goog, then this way. I have tried hard to browse the web, but all I got was really unhelpful
[03:39] <TheK> for that there is #ubuntu or in german #ubuntu-de (where I'd like to help you)
[03:39] <azeem> martin1976: please ask in the appropriate channel
[03:39] <azeem> martin1976: you won't get help in here
[03:39] <martin1976> ok see you there
[03:39] <azeem> ask later or tomorrow again, maybe somebody can help you then
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[03:43] <TheK> slomo__, btw. it's ubuntu-de, not .de ;)
[03:43] <slomo__> TheK: both exist ;)
[03:44] <TheK> * #ubuntu.de #ubuntu-de :Forwarding to another channel
[03:44] <TheK> or both is the same ;)
[03:45] <lemsx1> hello all
[03:45] <lemsx1> happy easter for all
[03:46] <TheK> 2 days to early, or?
[03:46] <lemsx1> yep ;-)
[03:47] <lemsx1> today's good friday only ... but, who's going to be online for the next 2 days :-P
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[04:13] <xhaker> nm-applet doesn't launch, ** (nm-applet:7814): WARNING **: Icon nm-vpn-lock missing: Icon 'nm-vpn-lock' not present in theme
[04:14] <mdke> xhaker, bug tracker
[04:14] <xhaker> mdke: i'm trying to get more info before i file the bug
[04:14] <mdke> xhaker, looks to me like you have enough
[04:14] <Lure> xhaker: it is already submitted and the workaround is there (just to not recall bug id)
[04:15] <xhaker> Lure: that was my next step :) and sorry for the duplicate bug i filed just before about sylpheed-claws-gtk2 imap..
[04:16] <xhaker> i mean.. sorry to droege
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[06:07] <sivang> re all
[06:08] <bddebian> Heya sivang
[06:08] <sivang> hey bddebian , has anyone seen dholbach ?
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[06:15] <sivang> bddebian: will you be comfortable to get another MOTU , revew my HUB package and upload if appropriate? (hmm, slomo__ is here as well, good :) )
[06:18] <bddebian> sivang: Comfortable?  We need as many as we can get :-)
[06:18] <sivang> bddebian: ehehe
[06:20] <jbailey> sivang: Yes.  It's easter. =)
[06:21] <Chipzz> so, are there any easter eggs in ubuntu? ;)
[06:22] <sivang> jbailey: at least you are here :) 
[06:23] <sivang> jbailey: yes, I now realize that. Shame I was in holiday preperation myself during the last 2 days, and only now got some time to find someone to upload HUB for me to universe. Gotta have it in universe now that's it's presentable to users, to get bug reports etc and get it as stable as can.
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[06:23] <jbailey> sivang: Mind the beta freeze. =)
[06:24] <sivang> jbailey: right, thing is that this is for universe for a start, and if you recall (I recall you attended that status report meeting) mdz once said in one that I can go on in universe, I wonder if that stands as universe FF expection.. =)
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[06:25] <sivang> s/DBD/DVD
[06:25] <jbailey> YEah, I don't know the rules about universe, etc.
[06:26] <sivang> jbailey: do you know if mdz is on easter holiday until tuesay as well ?
[06:27] <Mithrandir> sivang: it's a new package or update of an existing one?
[06:27] <sivang> Mithrandir: new package :-/
[06:27] <Mithrandir> sivang: well, then it can go in nonetheless.
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[06:27] <jbailey> sivang: I don't, sorry.
[06:28] <sivang> jbailey: np, thanks anyways.
[06:28] <bddebian> Heya jbailey :)
[06:28] <sivang> Mithrandir: Is it a problem if something new is uploaded to universe while in beta freeze?
[06:29] <jbailey> Heya Barry
[06:29] <Mithrandir> sivang: I can't see it being a problem.  It won't disturb what's there already.
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[06:31] <sivang> bddebian: so, would you like to take a look at it? review it? maybe you and slomo__ could give it a quick review so I'll know if there are close encounters stuff to fix before it cab be uploaded ?
[06:31] <CarlFK> Kamion: ping: "The file needed for preconfiguration could not be retrieved from http://dev.personnelware.com/server.cfg."  but my append line has preseed/url=http://dev.personnelware.com/preseed-josh.cfg - so where is "server.cfg" coming from?
[06:32] <bddebian> sivang: I'm in the middle of a bug at the moment but I'll try
[06:32] <slomo__> sivang: later... i'm currently busy with something else
[06:32] <sivang> Mithrandir: are you able to approve such and upload to universE? I don't want to cause any trouble, so please let me know if you think I sould wait to after easter.
[06:33] <sivang> slomo__: sorry to bug you, I understand.
[06:33] <Mithrandir> sivang: I'm on vacation now so I would prefer to wait.
[06:33] <sivang> Mithrandir: okay , thanks anyway, I'll wait then :)
[06:34] <slomo__> simira: np :) i'll put it on my todo list... which package is it btw? ;)
[06:34] <sivang> slomo__ , bddebian : so it's no hurry, let me know when you can.
[06:35] <sivang> bddebian, slomo__ : can I email you guys with url to the source so you might take a look when you have time?
[06:36] <slomo__> sivang: sure... slomo@ubuntu.com
[06:39] <Toadstool> heya here too, what do you think of bug 36505? Do I keep on working on lintian?
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36505 in lintian "Ubuntu Lintian shouldn't do the nmu checks" [Wishlist,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36505
[06:42] <sivang> bddebian: what's yours?
[06:44] <bddebian> sivang: ?
[06:44] <bddebian> Oh, bddebian@comcast.net
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[06:51] <sivang> bddebian , slomo__ : sent
[06:52] <netstar> You might want to disable auto loading of the hostap wireless driver.  The latest x86 kernel will hang unless I pull my pcmcia card out.  Removing hostap from modules fixes it however.
[06:52] <netstar> plus it isn't the driver most people would want
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[06:53] <mjg59> netstar: In general, it's more functional than orinoco_cs
[06:53] <mjg59> If it's hanging stuff, then we have a bug to fix
[06:54] <netstar> I'll recreate the conditions tomorrow and send a report
[06:54] <mjg59> Ok, thanks
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[06:56] <v3rmap> I'm trying to install gtk2 dev libs on Dapper flight 6, but hit some errors:http://pastebin.com/659830
[06:56] <v3rmap> Any suggestions would be very helpful.
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[06:59] <Riddell> v3rmap: you need to try and work out why apt doesn't want to install the packages mentioned
[07:02] <sivang> bddebian, slomo__ : let me know if my email hit you
[07:02] <slomo__> sivang: it did ;)
[07:04] <sivang> cool
[07:04] <sivang> I hope I don't gross/scare you guys off with my horroble code :)
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[07:06] <slomo__> sivang: if you want it to be a native package use "0.0.1ubuntu1" or even "0.0.1" as version number
[07:06] <bddebian> sivang: I got it
[07:07] <sivang> slomo__: well, sladen noted to me to make it like this, so it would be like a native debian package, and when we will syn it from debian, we won't have problems.
[07:07] <sivang> slomo__: hence the ubuntu0-..
[07:07] <sivang> slomo__: sorry, I meant, x.x.x-0ubuntuN
[07:08] <slomo__> sivang: you are upstream, yes? so make it "0.0.1" :) i don't see any problems with debian here... if there are changes needed for debian you will make them and raise the version number anyway ;)
[07:08] <sivang> slomo__: and so we will have one version number for both debian and us?
[07:09] <sivang> slomo__: and yes, I'm upstream for this :) /me runs 
[07:09] <slomo__> sivang: yes... and when it's in debian as 0.0.2 for example and there have to be ubuntu specific changes we get 0.0.2ubuntu1 (or 0.0.3 when you update it in debian and sync)
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[07:11] <sivang> slomo__: hmm, so I wonder what sladen was concerned with when he suggested me to make this as if the original version came from debian, and add the 0ubuntu1..
[07:12] <slomo__> sladen: ping?
[07:19] <v3rmap> Riddell, I couldn't figure it out. I'll ask on ubuntu-motu and see if someone has an idea.
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[08:21] <v3rmap> I just installed libgtk2.0-dev package on Ubuntu. It seems that the gtk headers are not added to the list of the standard include files and so I get lots of compilation errors. I tried adding several gtk include directories using the -I /usr/include/gtk2.0... syntax. Did I miss an installation step?
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[08:23] <crimsun> v3rmap: please join #ubuntu
[08:24] <v3rmap> Ahh sorry folks. I see this channel is not for support.
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[08:24] <bddebian> Anyone know if AC_CHECK_TCLTK() is valid?
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[08:42] <milli> don't mean to be a pain, but ATI just released a new fglrx driver (8.24.8) that supposedly supports the X1600 chip in my new T60p...
[08:43] <milli> it is not immediately obvious to me how to update linux-restricted-modules with this new driver...
[08:43] <fabbione> milli: scheduled for after easter
[08:44] <fabbione> even developers deserve some time off for world wide holidays
[08:44] <milli> np, ty  ;-)
[08:44] <milli> it's just sad that I have to run with VESA drivers... it's slower than my old laptop (3yrs old)
[08:44] <Treenaks> fabbione: no! they should work even harder, to compensate for the non-working people! *takes whip out of storage*
[08:45] <Treenaks> fabbione: :P
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[08:45] <CarlFK> Kamion:  you broke my hands-off preseed file ... it keeps asking for which HD and what timezone ...  
[08:45] <fabbione> milli: just wait a few days please.
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[08:45] <milli> fabbione: np, thanks
[09:07] <phlaegel> fabbione: you're the ubuntu lvm guy, right? (I just ran in to bug #38007)
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38007 in lvm2 "pvmove coredumps" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/38007
[09:09] <fabbione> phlaegel: did you read the  pvmove documentation before running it?
[09:10] <phlaegel> yeah... the man page and lvm howto
[09:11] <CarlFK> dapper ubuntu-server - should it be installing 386 or nvidia-kernel?
[09:12] <CarlFK> I thought it did 686 (but it isn't) and I don't think a 'server' should be messing with video 
[09:13] <fabbione> phlaegel: add more info.. like size of sda5, sdb4 and how much was allocated on sda5.. stuff like that
[09:13] <fabbione> pvmove has always been considered "risky"
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[09:13] <CarlFK> well, it isnt 386 either: Apr 14 11:58:37 debconf: --> SUBST base-installer/kernel/failed-install KERNEL linux-386 
[09:13] <CarlFK> Apr 14 11:58:37 base-installer: error: exiting on error base-installer/kernel/failed-install
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[09:13] <fabbione> CarlFK: stop flooding the chan and file a bug
[09:14] <phlaegel> fabbione: was just talking to someone in #lvm, and it looks like the lvm stuff in dapper is too old for 2.6.12+
[09:14] <fabbione> phlaegel: no, lvm in dapper works just fine. i did ask for info in the bug. please attach them and tuesday i will look at them
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[09:18] <Kamion> CarlFK: sorry, but I'm not paying much attention here over Easter; file a bug if you like. However I do NOT ever guarantee that we won't break previously-working preseed setups from release to release. You will have to adapt your preseeding based on new questions being asked.
[09:18] <CarlFK> no prob
[09:19] <Kamion> it's probably partman-auto/disk or something like that in this case
[09:20] <phlaegel> fabbione: will do
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[09:20] <Kamion> CarlFK: and for the record, no, *I* didn't break that :P
[09:20] <CarlFK> I am actually trying to reproduce the ext3 and swap on hda5 thing and ran into 3 more issues 
[09:20] <Kamion> although I did encourage Fabio to do so because we needed it for espresso, and I think he was right to do so
[09:21] <bddebian> Morning Kamion ;-)
[09:21] <CarlFK> the plan was to install, then run ... the thing that gens a preseed file based on the current install and see what I needed
[09:22] <CarlFK> but the kernel/failed-install is making that difficult ;)
[09:23] <Kamion> no idea about that, sorry
[09:23] <Kamion> you've removed all the probably-useful context before it in your paste ;)
[09:23] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Apr14/b/
[09:24] <Kamion> oh no, you're not sucking me into looking at it now on holiday :)
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[09:25] <CarlFK> Im trying not to acutally, but it his hard :)
[09:26] <CarlFK> actually, don't look now
[09:26] <CarlFK> there is a good chance my hacked up preseed file is to blame 
[09:26] <CarlFK> so enjoy Easter
[09:27] <CarlFK> I will do a 'normal' install and quietly report anything on lp
[09:29] <highvoltage> ew. the lines on top of lp is ugly.
[09:29] <HiddenWolf> no offense, but you're hardly quiet about it CarlFK :)
[09:29] <HiddenWolf> highvoltage: amen. :)
[09:29] <highvoltage> HiddenWolf: :)
[09:30] <CarlFK> well, now that I know K is trying to enjoy holiday...
[09:30] <HiddenWolf> I've seen him state that a few times today. ;)
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[09:50] <TTT_Travis> I am trying to install kernel modules and this is what I get I know very little about this stuff so yeah: http://pastebin.com/660183
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[10:37] <tseng> lamont: your beagle patch is applied upstream, thanks alot
[10:43] <KaiL> hmm, we should set firefox to clean the downloadmanagers list at least on exit, maybe even after download ends
[10:43] <KaiL> that would help us to work around the #1 crasher on linux
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[11:05] <poningru> is ubuntu doing any soc projects?
[11:05] <poningru> http://code.google.com/summerofcode.html
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[11:12] <HiddenWolf> sure hope so
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[11:24] <dsas> poningru: They did a few last summer, not sure how much good they got out of it though tbh, Manu Cornet stayed and contributed after.
[11:29] <poningru> yeah and his was good
[11:30] <poningru> I read couple of blog posts where people didnt like the soc
[11:30] <poningru> so wondering if ubuntu is doing it again this year
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[11:51] <poningru> whats up
[11:52] <poningru> sorry wrong channel
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