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Yagisantseng: yep. seems like braindead makefiles. linpng is another that ignores CC12:11
Yagisans/linpng/libpng12:11
tsengyeah12:11
tsengthat will be a huge problem12:11
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Yagisantseng: well, at least I can patch that, butthis is taking a bit of the fun out of it. I should start mass filling bugs on apps that ignore CC, CFLAGS and kin12:15
tsengyou could12:16
tsengbut it would take a lifetime to actually get results12:16
tsengthis is why pappy- patched the specfiles12:16
tsengto default ssp and pie12:17
Yagisantseng: so, I'd need to file bugs on apps that ignore CFLAGS to turn off SSP then ;)12:21
tsengno12:21
tsengwe could turn it off12:21
Yagisantseng: ideally, I'd like to see the core libs protected, then as it is shown they work, progressively add other applications12:23
tsengi need to find the eclass i wrote for ssp12:24
tsenghttp://mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu/gentoorsync/eclass/flag-o-matic.eclass12:24
tsengsearch for fstack12:25
Yagisantseng: I need to head out now, I'll investigate more of the makefiles from hell when I get back12:32
Yagisantseng: feel free to nitpick anything on my research page12:32
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bddebianHeya gang01:10
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bddebianHeya crimsun_01:23
crimsun_'lo bddebian01:25
bddebiancrimsun_: Got a minute by any chance?01:39
bddebianAnyone have a minute to explain install ... vs. <pgk>.install vs dh_install?  I should say when to use what?  I am getting inconsistent results on a few packages?01:41
raphinkbddebian: did you see the problem with celestia ?01:47
raphinkyou need to install this .desktop in celestia-common instead of celestia it seems01:47
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raphinkhi \sh01:50
\shhi...who was responsible for the ubuntu cloaks on freenode?01:51
raphink\sh: it's seveas iirc01:51
\shah ok01:51
Tonio_hey \sh !01:52
bddebianraphink: ?01:52
bddebianHeya \sh01:52
raphinkbddebian: celestia won't install01:52
\shok, just for your information...as I said earlier, I just removed myself from the core and motu development team on launchpad01:52
bddebian:-(01:52
Tonio_:/01:52
bddebianraphink: It installed on my machine?01:53
\shI also removed myself from all the other teams except the ubuntu member team...so everything is fine....01:53
raphinkbddebian: on mine, it says it can't replace /usr/share/applications/celestia-glut.desktop because it belongs to the celestia-common package already01:53
bddebianGoddamn this desktop crap is starting to piss me off01:53
raphinkbddebian: :s01:54
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\shok guys..have a good night, morning or whatever :) hope you are all fine and doing some rocking stuff for ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/edubuntu01:57
bddebianLater \sh, take care01:57
\shwell..from now on I'm just a guest...coming sometimes around :)01:57
bddebianAhh, fuck it01:59
raphink:(01:59
tritiumpoor \sh.  What's the matter?02:00
raphinkbddebian: about celestia, I think all you have to do is install this .desktop in celestia-common rather than celestia02:00
raphinktritium: I'd like to understand02:00
bddebiantritium: He has no money afaiui02:00
tritiumbddebian: that's no reason to give up membership02:00
Tonio_I must say it is a bit hard to understand....02:00
bddebianraphink: All I did was add celestia-glut.desktop to the celestia-glut package as far as I know02:01
Tonio_I hope he will does what he needs to be as ine as possible, but....02:02
crimsun_bddebian: sorry, I'm at a LUG meeting hacking on ALSA02:02
raphinkah?02:02
bddebiancrimsun_: No worries, I'm starting to think I'm helpless anyway :-(02:02
tritiumWell, my thoughts are with \sh...02:04
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jah_raztahthe Gnomebaker in ubuntu repositories are built with gstreamer0.8-mad for mp3 support in gnomebaker, the gstreamer0.8-mad has some problems and issues, thus is it possible for gnomebaker to use another library for mp3, preferably the gstreamer.10-ugly packages which is also used by rhythmbox and sepertine02:08
crimsun_bddebian: bah, hardlfy02:24
crimsun_hardly^02:24
bddebian?02:24
crimsun_"helpless"?02:24
bddebianAh02:24
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ajmitchoh dear02:28
ajmitchwho went overboard on launchpad css?02:28
raphinkhuhu02:30
raphinkyou don't like the aqua style ajmitch ? ;)02:30
ajmitchraphink: no, and it breaks middle-click for new tab02:31
raphinkah!02:31
jah_raztahhello02:32
raphinkhi jah_raztah02:33
jah_raztahraphink, is there any other alternatives to getting mp3 support in gnomebaker rather then using gstreamer0.8-mad02:33
raphinkjah_raztah: I'm not a GNOME user02:33
jah_raztahok02:34
jah_raztahanyone else here that knows please feel free to answer02:34
raphinkjah_raztah: I'd say for such a question asking on #ubuntu might be a better idea02:35
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Unfrgivenajmitch: im not a fan of the new launchpad header either02:49
Unfrgivenbtw hi everyone :)02:50
ajmitchhi02:50
Unfrgivenajmitch: how r u?02:50
ajmitchgood, how are you?02:52
Unfrgivengood good. just wrapping up my madwifi-ng package :)02:54
Unfrgivenits been quite an experience packaging kernel modules!02:54
Unfrgivenajmitch: got a question for you about module loading. if you modprobe blah and blah exists in multiple /lib/modules/<KVERS> directories, which one does it choose first?02:56
Unfrgivenajmitch: does it go based on alphabetical traversal of the directory?02:56
bddebianHeya Unfrgiven02:57
Unfrgivenbddebian: hey dude, how r u?02:57
bddebianStupid as ever thanks.  You? :-)02:58
ajmitchUnfrgiven: no, it only goes for the version matching the current kernel version02:58
Unfrgivenok let me explain the scenario02:58
Unfrgivenlinux-restricted-modules provides madwifi drivers. i've packaged madwifi-ng drivers. but i cant make my madwifi-ng package conflict with l-r-m because l-r-m also provides other things such as nvidia and ati drivers02:59
ajmitchok03:00
Unfrgivenso for the moment my madwifi-ng installs modules to a different /lib directory than l-r-m03:00
Unfrgivenso in essence there are two .ko files in the same /lib/modules/kernel-version/...03:00
Unfrgivennow i want to make sure that if madwifi-ng and l-r-m is installed, by default madwifi-ng drivers will be picked up03:01
ajmitchthat'll be a bit harder, I think03:01
Unfrgivenso im trying to find out how modprobe works03:01
ajmitchand is not something I can answer03:01
Unfrgivenajmitch: ok no probs. you understand my problem though right?03:02
bddebianUnfrgiven: So add nvidia and ati to your and do a Replaces :-)03:04
Unfrgivenbddebian: well thats not a good longterm solution IMO03:04
Unfrgiveni have a feeling (and I need to confirm this) that modprobe, traverse /lib/modules/KVERS alphabetically03:05
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Unfrgivenso it should find /lib/modules/KVERS/blah/abc.ko before /lib/modules/KVERS/blah2/abc.ko03:05
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YagisanUnfrgiven: just reading scrollback here, but could dpkg-divert let you replace the l-r-m module with yours ?06:55
Yagisantseng: while trying to get my shopping done, I thought of another possible way to get ssp going. I'll patch gcc-defaults to only use 4.1.x gcc as default, then patch build-essential to add libssp0-dev. All I then need to do is change CFLAGS and rebuild07:04
Yagisantseng: should avoid a fair bit of crap makefiles07:04
FunnyLookinHatdist-upgrade seems to be forcing people to install braille interpretation drivers07:08
FunnyLookinHatStrange bug or ubuntu dev's way of using subliminal messaging?  I say the latter.07:08
crimsunit's for a11y07:10
UnfrgivenYagisan: if i used dpkg-divert, how would i revert the old module back?07:19
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LureCan somebody explain me this build failure: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/65906807:25
Lurethis is for kpowersave: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/18561407:25
Lurepackage builds fine in pbuilder, but fails due to Rosetta on buildd07:26
YagisanUnfrgiven: undo the divert in post-rm. It's been a while since I used it, but I think it would do exactly what you want07:34
YagisanUnfrgiven: IIRC pentium-builder is a working example of how to use dpkg-divert07:35
chillywillyhowdy07:36
YagisanG'day chillywilly07:36
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lucashi08:28
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UnfrgivenYagisan: thanks for that, ill look into it!08:45
UnfrgivenSeveas: just to let you know, lilo did setup my cloak. thanks for your help08:46
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ivoks'morning08:47
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cbx33ok guys, anyone around?09:45
cbx33the kill binary.....09:46
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freeflyingcbx33: hi09:48
cbx33hey freeflying09:48
cbx33i've uninstalled procps09:49
cbx33which provides the kill binary09:49
cbx33but on running the kill command i still get a usage summary09:49
cbx33y?09:49
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freeflyingcbx33: purge it , and try09:51
cbx33ok09:51
cbx33nope still there09:51
cbx33is it provided with bash09:52
cbx33yup it is09:52
cbx33ok is this a bug09:52
cbx33after i've installed the procps package I would expect the kill command to use the new kill binary09:52
cbx33but it doesn't it still uses the built in command09:53
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pygislomo: around?09:57
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slomo__pygi: yes10:31
pygislomo__: thanks for package :)10:32
pyginow UVFe? :)10:32
slomo__pygi: np :) UVFe? what do you mean? it's already in dapper with a bunch of fixes :)10:32
pygislomo__: damn, then I haven't updated :-P sorry :)10:33
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phanatichi people10:34
ivokswe should sync sylpheed-claws-gtk2 from debian10:35
ivoksthe one in dapper is broken10:35
ivoksand UVF was granted 2 months ago :/10:35
pygiivoks: uh,huh :-/10:36
slomo__pygi: ok :) tell me if something else is broken ;)10:36
slomo__ivoks: so just sync it or ask for another UVF exception for the current version ;)10:36
ivoksversion didn't change10:36
ivoksuhm... shouldn't elmo sync from debian?10:37
ivoks(/me wasn't here last couple of months :)10:37
slomo__ivoks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources#syncs10:37
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ivoksok10:38
ivoksslomo__: thanks10:38
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cyberserverHi people. flashplugin-nonfree gone from the multiverse repository?10:48
cyberserverMy apt-cache is not listing it10:48
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cyberserverForget-it.. multiverse was not enabled in my sources.list10:51
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cyberserverI think flashplugin-nonfree is not being able to fetch macromedia's flash11:04
cyberserverThis is a repackaged ubuntu installer... maybe we can have sucess using debain standart one?11:05
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slomo__Natja: ping?11:14
cyberserverok, debian package has the same problem11:16
cyberserverare these contrib packages taken care by someone of ubuntu (out of motu) that we should contact?11:16
Natjaslomo__: pong11:18
cyberserver?!? Macromedia does not have the package available at all...11:19
slomo__Natja: just wanted to tell you that motu-uvf is not responsible for syncs that import a new upstream version but were approved already and syncs that only import a new debian revision :)11:19
ivoksslomo__: lol11:20
ivoksnice comment on bug 3953611:20
UbugtuMalone bug 39536 in sylpheed-claws-gtk2 "UVF exception: Sync request from sid" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3953611:20
Natjaslomo__: ok, sorry11:20
slomo__Natja: np... nobody was killed ;) but thanks for looking at all the new bugs and assigning them somewhere when needed :)11:22
Natja;)11:24
ivoksgnje... i still have one bug open on one of my uploads :/11:24
ivoksbut i think i will reject it11:24
ivoksin a month or two11:24
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phanatichi raphink12:07
raphinkhi phanatic12:08
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tsengYagisan: you can set global CFLAGS on sbuild somehow12:29
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tsengYagisan: ah you can just do an export right in pbuilderrc12:38
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Toadstoolheya MOTUs12:52
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ivoksdo we have security team for universe? :)12:53
tsengwe did12:54
ivoks:)12:54
tsengi dont think anyone is actively working on it atm12:54
ivoksok, how can we upload security fixes to breezy?12:54
ivokswe should12:54
tsengyou make a release XubuntuY.112:55
tsengwith the changelog [SECURITY] 12:55
tsengmention all CVE's that apply12:55
tsengand send the source package to pitti12:55
ivokssource.changes :)12:55
ivoksok12:55
slomo__is someone on amd64 here and could test to build something for me? (it will take maybe some hours and a lot of ram)12:57
ivokssorry, no12:58
ivoks(meaning i have no amd :)12:58
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Toadstoolslomo__: yep01:00
slomo__Toadstool: ok cool :) latest ikvm from debian/unstable01:00
Toadstoolok, let's go :)01:01
slomo__our current version doesn't build on amd64... and the debian version builds on amd64 for some reason01:01
Toadstool0.26.0.1-1 ?01:01
slomo__yes01:01
Toadstoolok slomo__, building01:03
slomo__doko: what should be used for compiling java stuff? ecj(-bootstrap) or something else?01:03
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slomo__Toadstool: is it compiling?01:16
Toadstoolyep, still compiling01:16
slomo__at least something :)01:16
slomo__the previous version failed instantly01:16
ToadstoolI've got a few BUILD SUCCEEDED so I'm confident :)01:17
Toadstoolgij-4.1 is eating a huge amount of cpu and ram ^^01:18
slomo__yes... unfortunately... if this fails later we could try compiling with gcj instead of ecj... maybe it works better01:19
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Toadstoolslomo__: wow, it takes a *huge* amount of time to compile the classpath jars ^^01:45
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slomo__Toadstool: i know :) is it finished?02:16
Toadstoolnope02:16
slomo__uh... mine was faster :)02:16
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Toadstoolslomo__: well, it's freezing on "exec /usr/bin/ecj-bootstrap -g -1.5 -nowarn -cp mscorlib.jar:System.jar @allsources.lst"...02:17
Toadstoolbut gij is still running02:18
slomo__Toadstool: yeah that is the part that takes ages ;) does it still use your cpu for something?02:18
Toadstoolyep, gij is eating 99% of my cpu :)02:18
slomo__ok... so probably the gij JIT for x86 is much better than the amd64 one02:19
Toadstoolyeah probably02:19
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phanatichi people02:30
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Toadstoolslomo__: still building...02:45
slomo__:/02:46
Toadstooli've never seen a package that long to build on my amd64 box :)02:49
slomo__try openoffice :)02:49
Toadstoolhaha02:50
Hobbseeslomo__: ugh, yeah.  or koffice...02:50
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bddebianHeya gang03:36
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Toadstoolslomo__: still building ikvm and gij-4.1 is still eating a lot of CPU...03:59
slomo__Toadstool: :(04:00
trappistbugs filed against hoary that are fixed, but not necessarily in hoary - should I close em?04:15
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Amaranthtrappist: yes (late)04:58
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trappistAmaranth: thanks04:59
trappistforgot what bug I was looking at, but that'll be helpful in the future :)05:00
trappistAmaranth: ditto for breezy?05:00
Amaranthyep05:00
Amaranthif it's fixed in dapper close it05:00
trappistcool05:00
trappistthat's a lot of bugs05:00
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Toadstoolslomo__: I hate gij, that's so slow :)05:00
siretarthey folks!05:01
Toadstoolhi siretart05:01
bddebianhuhu siretart05:02
siretartheyho Toadstool, hi bddebian05:03
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slomo__Toadstool: still compiling? :)05:19
Toadstoolyes05:19
slomo__omg05:19
Toadstool:)05:19
slomo__maybe gij has no JIT at all for amd64 but only an interpreter ;)05:20
Toadstool:D05:20
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sivanghas anyone seen dholbach ?06:08
bddebianI think he said he was out until after Easter but don't quote me on that :-)06:08
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sivangbddebian: I see, I guess that goes for everyone or so06:10
sivangeverywhere the ubuntu universe things look too quite for a friday afternoon :)06:10
bddebianExcept you, me, Toadstool, and slomo__ aparently :-)06:10
Toadstool:)06:10
sivangyes, apparently :)06:10
slomo__Toadstool: still compiling? =)06:11
Toadstoolyes :)06:11
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bddebianHello jaldhar06:12
Toadstoolslomo__: I think i'm going to beat the world longest compile time record :)06:12
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kelmohi siretart06:18
bddebianToadstool: Nothing beats build glibc on GNU/Hurd, trust me! ;-)06:19
Toadstoolheh06:19
crimsunit's compilable?  /me ducks06:19
Toadstool:D06:19
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bddebiancrimsun: touche' :-)06:24
bddebianHeya tritium06:24
tritiumHi there bddebian :)06:24
siretarthey kelmo06:29
ivoks:((((((((06:30
Mithrandirbddebian: that takes more than a week on top-notch hardware?06:30
ivoksman... i'm so angry and sad06:30
tritiumivoks: about what?06:31
kelmosiretart: did you have your break yet?06:31
ivokstritium: about newest IT news in croatia06:31
siretartkelmo: I just returned home :)06:31
bddebianMithrandir: Nah, my longest is only about 2 days so far :-)06:31
tritiumivoks: I've not heard.  What happened?06:31
LaserJockhi bddebian and tritium06:31
bddebianHeya LaserJock06:31
tritiumHi LaserJock06:31
ivokstritium: company that has 60% of Internet in croatia buyed other company (wich has 30%)06:31
Mithrandirbddebian: try axiom on m68k some day. :-P06:31
tritiumOh...06:31
ivoksso.. now we have one ISP06:32
siretartkelmo: fortunately, there was a nice neighbor of the hotel, who offered a unsecured wireless ap, which I used for a ssh or to to read & answer some emails :)06:32
ivoksand that's the worst one06:32
tritiumivoks: :(06:32
kelmosiretart: i noticed ; )06:32
siretart:)06:32
kelmosiretart: trust the trip was a good one then06:32
siretarthi ivoks!06:32
siretartivoks: nice to see you back. and in action :)06:32
ivokssiretart: hi yeah...06:32
ivokssiretart: things can changes since prices will go up now :)06:33
siretartthe trip to vienna was nice. very nice city, charming people, we had a great time :)06:33
bddebianOK damnit, why can't scilab find Xaw3d and Xmu?06:35
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ivoksbddebian: it looks for them in /usr/X11R6?06:37
bddebianivoks: I changed configure.in and did an autoreconf so it shouldn't ??06:38
azeemcheck the config.log06:38
bddebianazeem: Bah, that's like work :-)06:45
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v3rmapI'm trying to install gtk2 dev libs on Dapper flight 6, but hit some errors:http://pastebin.com/65983007:20
v3rmapAny suggestions on what to try to fix the problems?07:20
azeemv3rmap: you're trying to install breezy's libgtk2.0-dev07:21
v3rmapazeem, I need the dapper version of the lib. I had breezy and I upgraded. Is there something else I should try?07:23
azeemmaybe apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-dev07:23
azeemsee whether that gives you some hints07:24
azeemor try apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev=2.8.16-1ubuntu1 or something07:24
azeemI'm off, bye07:24
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v3rmapbye, thanks.07:24
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Toadstoolslomo__: still building... :/07:48
slomo__Toadstool: unbelievable... would be interesting to know whether this finishes at all or just sits in a endless loop07:50
Toadstoolyep... but no output at all and I can't see a way to diagnose what's going on...07:51
slomo__me neither... but that's normal07:51
Toadstooli think i'm going to kill the gij process and see what I can do to get a more verbose output07:53
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Toadstoolslomo__: http://pastebin.com/659958 <-- end of the buildlog07:56
slomo__after you killed it?07:57
Toadstoolyep07:57
slomo__ok... everything normal ;)07:57
Toadstool24592.9 seconds <- nice ^^07:57
slomo__that's not normal :P07:57
Toadstoolheh07:58
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Toadstoolslomo__: trying to build with verbose output08:08
slomoToadstool: thanks :)08:09
Toadstoolnp, I have cpu cycles to share ;)08:09
slomoToadstool: you could also try to run it for the next week ;)08:11
Toadstoolheh08:11
siretartslomo: hey sebastian!08:17
slomosiretart: hi :)08:17
Toadstoolslomo: according to the verbose output, it's really building something but really really slowly :D08:18
slomoToadstool: so my guess was probably right... only interpreted on amd64 :/08:20
Toadstoolyep :/08:20
slomowant to write a decent JIT? ;)08:22
Toadstoolhuhu :)08:22
ToadstoolI definitely ban Java and .NET/Mono from my known languages :p08:24
slomowhy? ;)08:27
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trappistsomebody spelled definitely right.  that always makes my day.08:32
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crimsunI can definately misspell wurds.08:35
trappistI notised08:37
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LaserJocktrappist: haha, are you going to start checking all the changelogs for spelling/grammar?08:57
trappistI'll leave the changelogs alone.  but I've started my campaign to fix config file comments, man pages, error messages, etc.08:57
Toadstoolthat's a huge campaign :)08:58
trappistyeah08:58
trappista lot of developers have a first language other than english, and a lot of others just don't care, but I think the spelling and grammar problems make for a nasty smear on the polish08:59
Toadstoolagreed09:00
crimsuntrappist: just be aware of regional differences09:07
crimsunfor instance, American English tends to use "different from" rather than "different to"09:08
trappistcrimsun: sure - I don't try to "correct" colour to color, etc.09:08
trappistcrimsun: that stuff too.  all my favorite authors are british, so I can spot those.09:08
trappistI mostly go after my personal pet peeves, like its/it's, their/they're/there, your/you're, etc.09:09
trappistand of course defin[^(ite)] ly09:10
Toadstool:D09:11
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bddebianslomo: What is Sivangs package on REVU??09:54
slomobddebian: it's not on revu09:55
slomolook at the mail09:55
bddebianOh, heh09:55
bddebianHmm, doesn't build for me :-)10:00
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zulhelp11:11
zuloops...heylo11:11
zulhmmm....my uploads to universe seems to be dropping for some reason..11:14
Yagisanmorning all11:18
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Yagisantseng: I've actually scripted up pbuilders on tmpfs here, so I'm more likely to take either the pbuilderrc option, or script up a package like pentium-builder11:19
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bddebianHeya Yagisan11:25
Yagisanmorning/evening bddebian11:27
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Yagisanbddebian: enjoying your break ?11:27
bddebianNo, not feeling well and trying to fix bugs I can't fix :-(  You?11:28
Yagisanbddebian: just woke up today (OMG I woke up at 7am, not 2pm, the world is ending!), and thoroughly cursing the fact that most shops have shut over the easter break.11:30
Yagisanbddebian: what's wrong ? eat something you shouldn't have ?11:32
bddebianNah, getting a cold I think :-(11:36
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ivoksok, this day will be remebered by cups hell :)11:59
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mitsuhikosomeone pinged me today?12:01
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