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[12:42] <bddebian> Anyone alive that knows xmkmf?
[12:43] <crimsun> define "knows".
[12:43] <Kyral> *shudder*
[12:43] <Kyral> Say that near me again and die....
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[12:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: which package are you working on?
[12:45] <Kyral> I thought you were sleeping
[12:47] <LaserJock> well, it almost put me to sleep but I managed to awaken myself with a dose of Python
[12:48] <LaserJock> I'm trying to make a nice Python environment on my Windows laptop
[12:51] <bddebian> LaserJock: xfishtank at the moment :-)
[12:52] <bddebian> crimsun: Well it's generating an X11R6 path and I don't want it too :-)  The package is also looking for stddef.h but it doesn't look in usr/include/linux which is where it is
[12:53] <Kamion> stddef.h is more usually got from gcc's private include directory
[12:53] <Kamion> e.g. /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.0.3/include/stddef.h
[12:54] <Kamion> that should be automatic unless it's doing really stupid things with include paths
[12:54] <bddebian> Hang on I'll paste bin it
[12:54] <Kamion> (i.e. you have to work hard to turn that off in gcc)
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[01:02] <mdz> Kamion: is debian-cd intentionally a person rather than a team?
[01:02] <mdz> oh, sorry, I confused debian-cd with ubuntu-cdimage
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[01:04] <Kamion> right, ubuntu-cdimage is a team, debian-cd is an imported person
[01:05] <bddebian2> stupid POS phone
[01:05] <bddebian2> Anyway, here is a shot of the xmkmf error:
[01:05] <bddebian2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12262
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[01:11] <robertj> I've got a really bad crash and I've narrowed it down to something nasty on my desktop that nautilus doesn't like
[01:11] <robertj> mv'ing ~/Desktop to ~/Desktop/olddesktop made it happy but opening olddesktop in Nautilus causes bad things to happen
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[01:18] <robertj> aha
[01:19] <robertj> there is a deadly .gif image that generating a nautilus preview for causes bad things to happen
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[01:34] <robertj> can someoe download http://www.music.uga.edu/wip/deathgif.gif into ~/Desktop/somefolder and tell me if it causes Nautilus to crash?
[01:36] <ozamosi> robertj: jupp, it does
[01:36] <robertj> ozamosi: Dapper I assume?
[01:36] <ozamosi> yes
[01:36] <robertj> Anyone got a breezy system handy to test with?
[01:37] <ozamosi> But nothing happened untill I hovered it...
[01:38] <robertj> ozamosi: didn't matter for me, it just took a few seconds
[01:38] <bddebian> Damnit, why can this thing not find stddef.h.. whacky
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[03:23] <defendguin__> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/37110   is there any possibility of this making it into dapper?
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37110 in Baltix "no NetworkManager VPN Connection Plugins installed or available in ubuntu" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
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[03:36] <cartel_> hunger: you there?
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[03:40] <cartel_> sabdfl: hello!
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[04:05] <jadaz87> hello everyone i was wondering how can i shutoff services on the livecd while it is extracted on my hard drive ;-)
[04:17] <jadaz87> i can customize what runs after i install ubuntu with sysv-rc-conf but i was wondering what do i do to conf the livecd so that they are already disabled
[04:18] <jadaz87> i am following the livecdcustom wiki
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[04:38] <jadaz87> anyone? lol
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[04:40] <bddebian> jadaz87: Have you asked in #ubuntu?  I don't know the answer and there aren't too many people in here tonight.
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[04:44] <mdke> jadaz87, for support, you'll always have better luck in #ubuntu
[04:44] <bddebian> mdke!!
[04:44] <jadaz87> oh ok i did not think anyone in the #ubuntu whould know since it was not the develop channel
[04:45] <mdke> bddebian, mm?
[04:45] <bddebian> mdke: How's your automake foo? :-)
[04:45] <mdke> bddebian, have you got me confused with someone else?
[04:45] <bddebian> I don't think so?
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[04:45] <mdke> I don't know anything about automake
[04:46] <bddebian> Damn
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[03:30] <bobulator> hey there does anyone know much about amharic support for scim? im having trouble switching keyboards around...
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[04:07] <mdke> infinity, hi. Is your t43 suspending to ram/waking from suspend properly? mine is really cranky, often it fails
[04:08] <giftnudel> mdke: how does it fail?
[04:09] <mdke> giftnudel, it freezes. I don't know how to be more specific than that
[04:10] <giftnudel> ok
[04:11] <mdke> giftnudel, just filing a bug now
[04:12] <mdke> it's at bug #39660
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39660 in acpi-support "Suspend to RAM is doing some cranky things on T43" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39660
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[04:38] <bddebian> Morning
[05:03] <simira> evning
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[05:23] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys
[05:23] <HiddenWolf> does ubuntu-desktop depend on the accesibility stuff now?
[05:24] <HiddenWolf> dist-upgrade is asking which braille-engine I'd prefer.
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[06:24] <ompaul> HiddenWolf, it does, brltty at least
[06:25] <HiddenWolf> ompaul: I see why, great thing, but it shouldn't bother users who don't need it.
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[06:35] <fabbione> HiddenWolf: you will  see the questions only on upgrades from dapper to dapper. probably breezy -> dapper
[06:35] <fabbione> not on install
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[06:37] <Mithrandir> fabbione: they shouldn't be there by default.  I have a bug assigned to me for that.
[06:37] <fabbione> Mithrandir: ah ok...
[06:38] <fabbione> can we actually autodetect them?
[06:38] <Mithrandir> USB we can, serial we can't.
[06:38] <fabbione> ok
[06:38] <HiddenWolf> fabbione: ah, ok
[06:38] <fabbione> we will need to work on this serial usage on dapper+1
[06:38] <fabbione> because there are too many pkgs that tends to do autodetection on serial
[06:38] <fabbione> and mess up stuff
[06:39] <fabbione> specially when you have GPS on serial or console on serial
[06:39] <Mithrandir> fabbione: it should just default to USB and we're fine.
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[06:39] <Mithrandir> that is, default to USB and not display the question by default
[06:39] <fabbione> ok
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[08:55] <jpatrick> who do I have to ask to get kmediafactory into multiverse?
[08:56] <crimsun> you need a demotion of it?
[08:56] <jpatrick> crimsun: yes
[08:57] <crimsun> (I'm presuming for additional codec support)
[08:57] <jpatrick> yep :)
[08:57] <crimsun> is jriddell aware? If so, ask kamion when he returns from Easter.
[08:57] <jpatrick> ok
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[09:57] <robertj> what software powers the ubuntu wikis?
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> moinmoin
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> afaik
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[10:38] <sabdfl> yes, its moinmoin
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[10:41] <zul> heylo
[10:42] <sabdfl> hey zul
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