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pygiTo everyone around here: Happy easter to you, and everyone you care for :)01:43
HedgeMage:)01:44
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HedgeMageHiya pygi 01:45
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HedgeMagewhat's up?01:48
pygiHedgeMage: nm, sleeping :)01:49
pygiyou?01:49
HedgeMagefamily stuff, mostly01:52
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fxc065helllo09:40
fxc065is there a good place/chat/app that an edubuntu kid could go 2 interact w.  fellow kids online?09:42
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dgdanyone here responsible for website at edubuntu.org?01:27
dgdfound a typo01:27
dgdcan't find contact email address01:27
dgdfound it01:30
dgdwebmaster@ubuntulinux.org01:31
highvoltagedgd: i can fix it01:38
highvoltagedgd: i am responsible for it01:38
dgdk01:39
dgdfirst page01:39
dgdwikii01:39
dgdshould be wiki01:39
dgdsorryu01:39
highvoltagehmmm... can't find it :/01:39
dgdcopy paste isn't working...01:39
dgddang01:39
highvoltagewhere on the page is it?01:39
dgdhttp://www.edubuntu.org/news.html01:40
dgdthere it is01:40
dgdwikii01:40
dgdshould be wiki01:40
highvoltageaha, got it.01:40
dgd:)01:40
highvoltagefixed01:40
dgdmany eyeballs makes for  shallow bugs ... :)01:40
dgd:)01:40
highvoltagehehe, yes. perhaps someone just assumed that wikii is plural for wiki :)01:40
dgdyup01:40
fxc065hell o again01:41
fxc065is there a good place/chat/app that an edubuntu kid could go 2 interact w.  fellow kids online?01:41
dgdkid as in under 18?01:41
fxc065im setting up for my kid01:41
fxc0651001:41
fxc065yes01:41
fxc065i dont find paltalk safe01:41
dgdgotcha...01:41
fxc065thats what i found so far..01:41
dgdhmm01:42
dgdproblem he01:42
dgdnever thought of that one...01:42
dgdcan't help but it's a good question01:42
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fxc065she wants to get into blogging and writing :)01:42
dgdsafe chats01:42
fxc065dgd oh wow01:42
dgdtough to call on that one01:42
fxc065so you got ubuntu on your school already?? :)))))01:43
dgdthe stuff I see my students using makes my head hurt...01:43
dgdran an LTSP network for a couple of years.01:43
fxc065lol01:43
dgddoing vids now on how to use edubuntu...01:43
dgdyou can see some of 'em here:01:44
dgdhttp://video.google.com/videosearch?q=dennis+daniels%2Bedubuntu01:44
dgdgot to get back to it... 01:44
dgdbut I'll put some cycles on your problme01:44
dgds /problme/problem01:45
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fxc065lol @  s /problme/problem02:14
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bobulatorhappy easter people!02:56
bobulatorsimple question today probably with a negative answer... is there any way to make the language selectable on the thin clients?02:57
highvoltagehi bobulator 03:02
bobulatorhey highvoltage03:02
highvoltage"happy easter people" sounds in my head like "shiny happy people" from R.E.M.03:02
bobulatoroh god03:02
bobulatorid like to take that back03:02
highvoltagehehe :)03:02
highvoltagebobulator: i'm not sure03:03
bobulatorthey dont really seem to have much language support as it is, im guessing theres probably several things preventing it working...03:03
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bobulatoras always i m always seeking for the, "oh, just apt-get install package X" answer ;)03:04
Yagisanbobulator: as someone that also needs that support, it seems that at the moment, the answer is no :(03:05
bobulatorboo :(03:06
Yagisanbobulator: you would want to file a bug on the ldm package03:06
bobulatori;m gonna try and rope one of the eritrayans into doing some translation work at some point...03:06
bobulatoryeah good thinking03:08
bobulatorhave you had much luck with using scim to change keyboard setups on the fly, Yagisan?03:08
Yagisanbobulator: no, not since hoary. Actually, it is rather frustrating for me at the moment. It works fine if I log in with a non-english system setting, and not at all if I log in with english :( 03:10
bobulatorright!03:11
bobulatoryeah i think the main problem is when people have webmail accounts03:11
Yagisanbobulator: I have a need for scim to work, but the menus etc in english, as I'm an english native speaker03:11
bobulatorthey cant really type passwords in...03:11
bobulatorah ok03:11
Yagisanbobulator: I can even access my data via the command line!03:11
bobulatorcool!03:12
Yagisannot without having to press tab tab tab enter anyway03:12
Yagisannot to self. learn to type03:12
bobulator:D03:12
bobulatori dont really get why scim doesnt work, i mean you can enter shortcuts and stuff, they just dont work03:12
YagisanI have data that can't be easily accessed since the upgrade from breezy03:12
bobulatormaybe i should file a bug on that too...03:12
bobulatorbecause of filenames?03:13
YagisanI don't think they configured it to work03:13
Yagisanunless you have a non-english locale03:13
YagisanI've haven been able to get ahold of the scim guy to ask actually03:13
bobulatorahh ok03:14
Yagisanbobulator: filesnames ? yeah I have data in directories like 03:14
bobulatorhaha i see :)03:14
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bobulatoryeah haha03:15
bobulatori think ill file a bug on scim03:15
Yagisanbobulator: for some apps (gnome only I think) you can right click and be asked for an input meathod03:16
bobulatoroh yeah? cool03:16
Yagisanbut then you need to know that you should pick scim03:16
Yagisanthen you need to tell scim what keyboard you want03:16
bobulatoryeah exactly...03:16
Yagisanthen you type03:16
bobulatorhmm where do you do the rightclicking?03:17
YagisanI did it in the typing area on gedit03:17
bobulatorah ok...03:17
dgdanyone running XP on the same network as their edubuntu install?03:17
Yagisanit is such a pain to get scim working, how would my wife get it to work ?03:17
bobulatorah ok! that works!03:18
Yagisanshe doesn't know what scim is, let alone how to turn it on03:18
dgdjust a pitch for evangelism...03:18
bobulatorare there any browsers it works in? hmmm03:18
dgdrecord what you learn as you learn it...03:18
Yagisanbobulator: nope03:18
Yagisandgd: no xp here.03:18
dgdscreencasting is primitive under linux still ... wink 2.0 just came out...03:19
dgdI screencast all of my activiity under linux and publish it03:19
dgdtoo many don't know what the interface looks like03:19
dgdthought it useful to publish more vids03:19
=== dgd noone reads the docs anymore, right?
bobulatorYagisan: perhaps the scim shortcuts dont work because the individual rpograms dont support it?03:19
Yagisandgd: well, the problem is, she needs scim for non-english, as, well, she's not a native english speaker, and computer words change so quickly, she doesn't know how to translate them.03:19
Yagisanbobulator: well, it worked for me in hoary ...03:20
dgdunderstood03:20
bobulatorhmm fair!03:20
bobulatorand i guess it works when you just switch the whole system over... hmm03:20
Yagisanyes it does03:20
Yagisanthen I have a problem.03:20
YagisanI speak more then I can read 03:21
bobulatorYagisan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/28879 ??03:21
Yagisanso teaching her how to use the new features becomes rather hard, when I can't read what it is03:21
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bobulatorhmm i dont even get that far!03:23
Yagisanbobulator: nope. while I agree with the title, that only can happen if you use gnome desktop, and type into gnome and kde apps at the same time. (actuallly a gnome bug)03:25
bobulatorahh03:25
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bobulatorhaha03:25
bobulatorbut, you cant change the language for individual apps either, yeah?03:26
Yagisanno, I used to have a little keyboard icon near the trash that I could use to set the language03:26
bobulatoryeah cool03:28
bobulatorhmm03:28
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pygispacey: Ping pong long trong song bong :)03:40
bobulatorright i might venture out into the sunlight... shock horror03:47
dgddon't do it don't do it!03:49
dgdUV! Sunburn! Other human beings!03:49
dgdAck03:49
dgd:)03:49
bobulatori know03:51
bobulatorselling out my vampire comrades03:51
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=== Yagisan is feeling rather sick now. Night all.
highvoltagebobulator: in the mood for more spellchecking? :)04:20
bobulatorspelchecking?04:21
highvoltagebobulator: you sent me the type from edubuntu.org, right?04:21
highvoltaged'oh!04:21
highvoltagethat was dgd04:21
highvoltagebobulator: sorry, spending too much time with the pc04:22
dgdyep that was me....04:22
bobulatorhaha did i? maybe?04:23
bobulatoroooh :D my typing is appauling though04:23
bobulatori think that was a spelling mistake...04:23
=== dgd uploading last ubuntu screencast... heading out.
dgdg'night from dubai!04:29
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pawsilverI have just downloaded the latest version of Edubuntu.  It works fine until I run the update manager and after 3 hrs of downloads and installations my system crashes after entering my name and password.  Help??05:27
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flintogra, Olli, did I do a bad thing when I created gin?05:48
flintogra, in your opinion i mean?05:48
highvoltageflint: look what you've done now! you've offended ogra!06:00
highvoltage:)06:00
flinthighvoltage, Jonathan, you have never heard of FITS (Flint Induced Touretts Syndrome :^)06:01
highvoltageflint: it sounds familiar :)06:09
highvoltageflint: mr flint, somehow i think that i have that too :)06:09
flinthighvoltage, indeed you are on the twin paths to both enlightment and rage.  Take comfort in knowing that there is only one carrier... :^006:10
highvoltagehehe. hope i have a 1st class ticket06:10
flinthighvoltage, nice touch...  what is up btw.  I am employed now and have less time to piss off the edubuntu mafia...06:11
highvoltagethe edubuntu mafia morns.06:13
highvoltagewell, i'm trying to do less and less, yet i'm getting busier and busier06:13
highvoltagethings are going slightly less quiet at work, which is nice, it means that i gradually have more and more time for edubuntu06:14
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highvoltageBluekuja: ah, you are here :)08:02
Bluekujayeah08:06
Bluekujayou didnt see me before?08:06
Bluekujaim alwais connected08:06
Bluekujain all channels08:06
Bluekuja^^08:06
HedgeMageBluekuja: perhaps highvoltage meant that you don't look very idle atm ?08:10
Bluekujajon?08:10
Bluekujahehe yeah08:10
Bluekujamaybe he saw me in other channels08:11
Bluekujabut not here08:11
Bluekuja(im alwais here)08:11
Bluekuja^^08:11
highvoltageno, i thought that Bluekuja wasn't here :)08:14
highvoltagei think i just missed his name in the names list somehow08:15
Bluekujayeah^^08:16
Bluekujajon im creating team presentation08:17
Bluekuja10 minutes and the page is available08:17
highvoltageok08:17
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pygihighvoltage: poke :)08:29
highvoltageouch08:30
highvoltage:)08:30
pygihigvoltage: have you assigned urself to a chapter or two? :)08:37
highvoltagepygi: installation :)08:44
pygihighvoltage:hm, you are nowhere around here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet08:45
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highvoltagehmm.. hedgemadge's name is on installation08:47
highvoltagecan i take it out and put my name there? :)08:47
highvoltage(since i've done the installation part, mostly)08:48
pygihighvoltage: uh, huh :-P Ok, should do, but you must contact her :)08:48
pygiand tell her she can do some things from part IV and part V if she wants to08:49
highvoltagehedgemadge is a she!?08:49
pygihighvoltage: also, answer to ur question08:49
pygihighvoltage: yup, what's so strange in that?08:49
highvoltagepygi: it's not strange, just very cool.08:50
pygihighvoltage: you can for example, if you write installation put it here "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Installation" and provide link in chapters08:51
pygihighvoltage: can you please contact her and explain the situation?08:51
highvoltagepygi: yep08:52
pygihighvoltage: thanks08:52
highvoltagepygi: what's her realname / email address08:52
highvoltagepygi: i haven't added my name to too much, i don't want to commit to more than i can do at this stage08:52
highvoltagepygi: but that doesn't mean i'm not interested. i'll commit to some more in the future08:52
pygi HedgeMage08:53
pygi-AT-08:53
pygibinaryredneck08:53
pygi-DOT-08:53
pyginet 08:53
pygihighvoltage: the thingy you written is for workstation?08:54
highvoltagepygi: server08:54
pygihighvoltage: the PART III is for workstation08:55
highvoltagepygi: sorry, i see now08:55
pygihighvoltage: some parts you wrote also belong somewhere else :)08:55
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highvoltagegetting late here08:56
pygiyup, aware of that :)08:56
highvoltageperhaps i should just take chapter 5 for now08:57
highvoltagemost of the other stuff is mostly taken08:57
pygihighvoltage: please add a installation part to beginning of part2 *server installation*08:57
pygiif you want, ofcourse :)08:58
highvoltageok08:58
highvoltageiwll do08:58
pygihighvoltage: also, the things you written might be used for other parts of the book as well, so it's all good :)08:58
highvoltagegeez, it's only 9pm! feels like 11 :)09:00
highvoltageflint: still there?09:09
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lucasvohighvoltage: here?09:11
lucasvohighvoltage: you are doing the homepage, aren't you?09:11
highvoltagelucasvo: yep09:11
lucasvohighvoltage: I have looked at it and would like to say somethings about it :)09:12
highvoltagelucasvo: although, we're getting a new one soon09:12
highvoltagelucasvo: ok, fire away09:12
lucasvofirst of all, don't mix sharp edges and rounded ones 09:12
lucasvo(see login box and navigation box)09:13
highvoltageyeah. that's still up for fixation09:13
highvoltagei don't know why they didn't make the edges round by default09:13
lucasvo2. if you use rounded edges look that the edges never "touch" any borders09:13
lucasvomake a margin for the boxes09:14
highvoltagecheck. also on my list of things to fix :)09:14
highvoltageoriginally, the boxes weren't against the edges of the page.09:14
highvoltagebut later it went there to give a bit more horizontal space09:15
lucasvothe "tabs". I don't know what, but they still need some change09:15
highvoltageand because we wanted to make the top banner full width09:15
highvoltagethe tabs at the top of a page?09:15
highvoltageoh, those tabs09:15
lucasvoI wouldn't use a different  color in the navigatin box09:15
highvoltageyes, i know what you mean.09:15
lucasvohighvoltage: yup the navigation tab09:15
highvoltageit's also because they're not anti-aliased nicely09:16
lucasvoI know whats wrong09:16
highvoltagethe tab colours was one of the first things i changed, all the rest came after. it's no surprise that they don't fit :)09:16
highvoltagethey're also not shaded or antialiased.09:16
lucasvosee on ubuntu.com: they have only a little difference from the contentpart-bgcolor09:16
lucasvothe active one has zero09:16
lucasvoand also, the boxes conflicht the tabs09:17
lucasvobecause then, you think the tabs also change the boxes, not only the content of the pages09:17
highvoltagehmmm.. what do you mean by contentpart-bgcolor?09:18
lucasvoits the white part of the page09:18
lucasvowhere the real content is in09:18
lucasvoI would put the Navigationbox above the login09:19
lucasvoanyway, is that login really that important?09:20
lucasvocan't one just make a loginbox on the wikipage for e.g.09:20
lucasvothe way it is on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/09:20
highvoltagejust a moment...09:23
lucasvoI quite like the way, the edubuntu logo is included into the header09:23
highvoltagei'll get those tabs and borders fixed tomorrow09:28
lucasvodon't hurry09:29
lucasvowhat do you think about the boxes, are they needed on both sides?09:29
highvoltagewell, we are planning to replace the current edubuntu website with that one on Thursday, so we need to get that done ASAP :)09:29
highvoltageyou know, i don't think they are09:30
highvoltagei wonder how they'll all look on the right hand side09:30
lucasvoyup09:33
lucasvomaybe not using such intensive colors would make the design more calm09:33
highvoltagehmmm... drupal doesn't give me my space back09:35
highvoltagethe wild colours is something we can't change much :/09:35
lucasvowhy?09:35
highvoltagealthough, with a bit of love we could make it work.09:35
highvoltagethe red and orange is edubuntu's official colours.09:35
highvoltageand we agreed that we'd keep the 'funky' colours from the old site. the dapper version of edubuntu will also have lots of these colours in the theme09:36
highvoltageso it's part of the brand identity09:36
lucasvowell, you can still use them for smaller areas so they are not that dominant09:36
lucasvoon the old design, the colors don't change so often09:37
lucasvomaybe this would help as well09:37
lucasvohighvoltage: I would also put the navigation box on the right side09:43
lucasvowow, that css is complicated09:45
lucasvohighvoltage: try to use a grey background for the tab09:46
highvoltagethat css is way overcomplicated :)09:47
highvoltagelucasvo: been a bit of a nightmare to edit09:47
highvoltageperhaps i should just base off a simpler theme09:48
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highvoltagelucasvo: i agree with everything you said so far about the edubuntu proto site.10:03
highvoltagelucasvo: if you think of more suggestions, could you please e-mail it to me?10:03
highvoltagegoodnight, #edubuntu10:04
highvoltagelucasvo, Bluekuja: goodnight10:04
Bluekujagoodnight jon10:07
Bluekujaaww already gone :(10:08
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pygispacey: around?11:00
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