[01:43] <pygi> To everyone around here: Happy easter to you, and everyone you care for :)
[01:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:45] <HedgeMage> Hiya pygi 
[01:48] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[01:49] <pygi> HedgeMage: nm, sleeping :)
[01:49] <pygi> you?
[01:52] <HedgeMage> family stuff, mostly
[09:40] <fxc065> helllo
[09:42] <fxc065> is there a good place/chat/app that an edubuntu kid could go 2 interact w.  fellow kids online?
[01:27] <dgd> anyone here responsible for website at edubuntu.org?
[01:27] <dgd> found a typo
[01:27] <dgd> can't find contact email address
[01:30] <dgd> found it
[01:31] <dgd> webmaster@ubuntulinux.org
[01:38] <highvoltage> dgd: i can fix it
[01:38] <highvoltage> dgd: i am responsible for it
[01:39] <dgd> k
[01:39] <dgd> first page
[01:39] <dgd> wikii
[01:39] <dgd> should be wiki
[01:39] <dgd> sorryu
[01:39] <highvoltage> hmmm... can't find it :/
[01:39] <dgd> copy paste isn't working...
[01:39] <dgd> dang
[01:39] <highvoltage> where on the page is it?
[01:40] <dgd> http://www.edubuntu.org/news.html
[01:40] <dgd> there it is
[01:40] <dgd> wikii
[01:40] <dgd> should be wiki
[01:40] <highvoltage> aha, got it.
[01:40] <dgd> :)
[01:40] <highvoltage> fixed
[01:40] <dgd> many eyeballs makes for  shallow bugs ... :)
[01:40] <dgd> :)
[01:40] <highvoltage> hehe, yes. perhaps someone just assumed that wikii is plural for wiki :)
[01:40] <dgd> yup
[01:41] <fxc065> hell o again
[01:41] <fxc065> is there a good place/chat/app that an edubuntu kid could go 2 interact w.  fellow kids online?
[01:41] <dgd> kid as in under 18?
[01:41] <fxc065> im setting up for my kid
[01:41] <fxc065> 10
[01:41] <fxc065> yes
[01:41] <fxc065> i dont find paltalk safe
[01:41] <dgd> gotcha...
[01:41] <fxc065> thats what i found so far..
[01:42] <dgd> hmm
[01:42] <dgd> problem he
[01:42] <dgd> never thought of that one...
[01:42] <dgd> can't help but it's a good question
[01:42] <fxc065> she wants to get into blogging and writing :)
[01:42] <dgd> safe chats
[01:42] <fxc065> dgd oh wow
[01:42] <dgd> tough to call on that one
[01:43] <fxc065> so you got ubuntu on your school already?? :)))))
[01:43] <dgd> the stuff I see my students using makes my head hurt...
[01:43] <dgd> ran an LTSP network for a couple of years.
[01:43] <fxc065> lol
[01:43] <dgd> doing vids now on how to use edubuntu...
[01:44] <dgd> you can see some of 'em here:
[01:44] <dgd> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=dennis+daniels%2Bedubuntu
[01:44] <dgd> got to get back to it... 
[01:44] <dgd> but I'll put some cycles on your problme
[01:45] <dgd> s /problme/problem
[02:14] <fxc065> lol @  s /problme/problem
[02:56] <bobulator> happy easter people!
[02:57] <bobulator> simple question today probably with a negative answer... is there any way to make the language selectable on the thin clients?
[03:02] <highvoltage> hi bobulator 
[03:02] <bobulator> hey highvoltage
[03:02] <highvoltage> "happy easter people" sounds in my head like "shiny happy people" from R.E.M.
[03:02] <bobulator> oh god
[03:02] <bobulator> id like to take that back
[03:02] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[03:03] <highvoltage> bobulator: i'm not sure
[03:03] <bobulator> they dont really seem to have much language support as it is, im guessing theres probably several things preventing it working...
[03:04] <bobulator> as always i m always seeking for the, "oh, just apt-get install package X" answer ;)
[03:05] <Yagisan> bobulator: as someone that also needs that support, it seems that at the moment, the answer is no :(
[03:06] <bobulator> boo :(
[03:06] <Yagisan> bobulator: you would want to file a bug on the ldm package
[03:06] <bobulator> i;m gonna try and rope one of the eritrayans into doing some translation work at some point...
[03:08] <bobulator> yeah good thinking
[03:08] <bobulator> have you had much luck with using scim to change keyboard setups on the fly, Yagisan?
[03:10] <Yagisan> bobulator: no, not since hoary. Actually, it is rather frustrating for me at the moment. It works fine if I log in with a non-english system setting, and not at all if I log in with english :( 
[03:11] <bobulator> right!
[03:11] <bobulator> yeah i think the main problem is when people have webmail accounts
[03:11] <Yagisan> bobulator: I have a need for scim to work, but the menus etc in english, as I'm an english native speaker
[03:11] <bobulator> they cant really type passwords in...
[03:11] <bobulator> ah ok
[03:11] <Yagisan> bobulator: I can even access my data via the command line!
[03:12] <bobulator> cool!
[03:12] <Yagisan> not without having to press tab tab tab enter anyway
[03:12] <Yagisan> not to self. learn to type
[03:12] <bobulator> :D
[03:12] <bobulator> i dont really get why scim doesnt work, i mean you can enter shortcuts and stuff, they just dont work
[03:12] <Yagisan> I have data that can't be easily accessed since the upgrade from breezy
[03:12] <bobulator> maybe i should file a bug on that too...
[03:13] <bobulator> because of filenames?
[03:13] <Yagisan> I don't think they configured it to work
[03:13] <Yagisan> unless you have a non-english locale
[03:13] <Yagisan> I've haven been able to get ahold of the scim guy to ask actually
[03:14] <bobulator> ahh ok
[03:14] <Yagisan> bobulator: filesnames ? yeah I have data in directories like 
[03:14] <bobulator> haha i see :)
[03:15] <bobulator> yeah haha
[03:15] <bobulator> i think ill file a bug on scim
[03:16] <Yagisan> bobulator: for some apps (gnome only I think) you can right click and be asked for an input meathod
[03:16] <bobulator> oh yeah? cool
[03:16] <Yagisan> but then you need to know that you should pick scim
[03:16] <Yagisan> then you need to tell scim what keyboard you want
[03:16] <bobulator> yeah exactly...
[03:16] <Yagisan> then you type
[03:17] <bobulator> hmm where do you do the rightclicking?
[03:17] <Yagisan> I did it in the typing area on gedit
[03:17] <bobulator> ah ok...
[03:17] <dgd> anyone running XP on the same network as their edubuntu install?
[03:17] <Yagisan> it is such a pain to get scim working, how would my wife get it to work ?
[03:18] <bobulator> ah ok! that works!
[03:18] <Yagisan> she doesn't know what scim is, let alone how to turn it on
[03:18] <dgd> just a pitch for evangelism...
[03:18] <bobulator> are there any browsers it works in? hmmm
[03:18] <dgd> record what you learn as you learn it...
[03:18] <Yagisan> bobulator: nope
[03:18] <Yagisan> dgd: no xp here.
[03:19] <dgd> screencasting is primitive under linux still ... wink 2.0 just came out...
[03:19] <dgd> I screencast all of my activiity under linux and publish it
[03:19] <dgd> too many don't know what the interface looks like
[03:19] <dgd> thought it useful to publish more vids
[03:19] <bobulator> Yagisan: perhaps the scim shortcuts dont work because the individual rpograms dont support it?
[03:19] <Yagisan> dgd: well, the problem is, she needs scim for non-english, as, well, she's not a native english speaker, and computer words change so quickly, she doesn't know how to translate them.
[03:20] <Yagisan> bobulator: well, it worked for me in hoary ...
[03:20] <dgd> understood
[03:20] <bobulator> hmm fair!
[03:20] <bobulator> and i guess it works when you just switch the whole system over... hmm
[03:20] <Yagisan> yes it does
[03:20] <Yagisan> then I have a problem.
[03:21] <Yagisan> I speak more then I can read 
[03:21] <bobulator> Yagisan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/scim/+bug/28879 ??
[03:21] <Yagisan> so teaching her how to use the new features becomes rather hard, when I can't read what it is
[03:23] <bobulator> hmm i dont even get that far!
[03:25] <Yagisan> bobulator: nope. while I agree with the title, that only can happen if you use gnome desktop, and type into gnome and kde apps at the same time. (actuallly a gnome bug)
[03:25] <bobulator> ahh
[03:25] <bobulator> haha
[03:26] <bobulator> but, you cant change the language for individual apps either, yeah?
[03:26] <Yagisan> no, I used to have a little keyboard icon near the trash that I could use to set the language
[03:28] <bobulator> yeah cool
[03:28] <bobulator> hmm
[03:40] <pygi> spacey: Ping pong long trong song bong :)
[03:47] <bobulator> right i might venture out into the sunlight... shock horror
[03:49] <dgd> don't do it don't do it!
[03:49] <dgd> UV! Sunburn! Other human beings!
[03:49] <dgd> Ack
[03:49] <dgd> :)
[03:51] <bobulator> i know
[03:51] <bobulator> selling out my vampire comrades
[04:20] <highvoltage> bobulator: in the mood for more spellchecking? :)
[04:21] <bobulator> spelchecking?
[04:21] <highvoltage> bobulator: you sent me the type from edubuntu.org, right?
[04:21] <highvoltage> d'oh!
[04:21] <highvoltage> that was dgd
[04:22] <highvoltage> bobulator: sorry, spending too much time with the pc
[04:22] <dgd> yep that was me....
[04:23] <bobulator> haha did i? maybe?
[04:23] <bobulator> oooh :D my typing is appauling though
[04:23] <bobulator> i think that was a spelling mistake...
[04:29] <dgd> g'night from dubai!
[05:27] <pawsilver> I have just downloaded the latest version of Edubuntu.  It works fine until I run the update manager and after 3 hrs of downloads and installations my system crashes after entering my name and password.  Help??
[05:48] <flint> ogra, Olli, did I do a bad thing when I created gin?
[05:48] <flint> ogra, in your opinion i mean?
[06:00] <highvoltage> flint: look what you've done now! you've offended ogra!
[06:00] <highvoltage> :)
[06:01] <flint> highvoltage, Jonathan, you have never heard of FITS (Flint Induced Touretts Syndrome :^)
[06:09] <highvoltage> flint: it sounds familiar :)
[06:09] <highvoltage> flint: mr flint, somehow i think that i have that too :)
[06:10] <flint> highvoltage, indeed you are on the twin paths to both enlightment and rage.  Take comfort in knowing that there is only one carrier... :^0
[06:10] <highvoltage> hehe. hope i have a 1st class ticket
[06:11] <flint> highvoltage, nice touch...  what is up btw.  I am employed now and have less time to piss off the edubuntu mafia...
[06:13] <highvoltage> the edubuntu mafia morns.
[06:13] <highvoltage> well, i'm trying to do less and less, yet i'm getting busier and busier
[06:14] <highvoltage> things are going slightly less quiet at work, which is nice, it means that i gradually have more and more time for edubuntu
[08:02] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: ah, you are here :)
[08:06] <Bluekuja> yeah
[08:06] <Bluekuja> you didnt see me before?
[08:06] <Bluekuja> im alwais connected
[08:06] <Bluekuja> in all channels
[08:06] <Bluekuja> ^^
[08:10] <HedgeMage> Bluekuja: perhaps highvoltage meant that you don't look very idle atm ?
[08:10] <Bluekuja> jon?
[08:10] <Bluekuja> hehe yeah
[08:11] <Bluekuja> maybe he saw me in other channels
[08:11] <Bluekuja> but not here
[08:11] <Bluekuja> (im alwais here)
[08:11] <Bluekuja> ^^
[08:14] <highvoltage> no, i thought that Bluekuja wasn't here :)
[08:15] <highvoltage> i think i just missed his name in the names list somehow
[08:16] <Bluekuja> yeah^^
[08:17] <Bluekuja> jon im creating team presentation
[08:17] <Bluekuja> 10 minutes and the page is available
[08:17] <highvoltage> ok
[08:29] <pygi> highvoltage: poke :)
[08:30] <highvoltage> ouch
[08:30] <highvoltage> :)
[08:37] <pygi> higvoltage: have you assigned urself to a chapter or two? :)
[08:44] <highvoltage> pygi: installation :)
[08:45] <pygi> highvoltage:hm, you are nowhere around here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[08:47] <highvoltage> hmm.. hedgemadge's name is on installation
[08:47] <highvoltage> can i take it out and put my name there? :)
[08:48] <highvoltage> (since i've done the installation part, mostly)
[08:48] <pygi> highvoltage: uh, huh :-P Ok, should do, but you must contact her :)
[08:49] <pygi> and tell her she can do some things from part IV and part V if she wants to
[08:49] <highvoltage> hedgemadge is a she!?
[08:49] <pygi> highvoltage: also, answer to ur question
[08:49] <pygi> highvoltage: yup, what's so strange in that?
[08:50] <highvoltage> pygi: it's not strange, just very cool.
[08:51] <pygi> highvoltage: you can for example, if you write installation put it here "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Installation" and provide link in chapters
[08:51] <pygi> highvoltage: can you please contact her and explain the situation?
[08:52] <highvoltage> pygi: yep
[08:52] <pygi> highvoltage: thanks
[08:52] <highvoltage> pygi: what's her realname / email address
[08:52] <highvoltage> pygi: i haven't added my name to too much, i don't want to commit to more than i can do at this stage
[08:52] <highvoltage> pygi: but that doesn't mean i'm not interested. i'll commit to some more in the future
[08:53] <pygi>  HedgeMage
[08:53] <pygi> -AT-
[08:53] <pygi> binaryredneck
[08:53] <pygi> -DOT-
[08:53] <pygi> net 
[08:54] <pygi> highvoltage: the thingy you written is for workstation?
[08:54] <highvoltage> pygi: server
[08:55] <pygi> highvoltage: the PART III is for workstation
[08:55] <highvoltage> pygi: sorry, i see now
[08:55] <pygi> highvoltage: some parts you wrote also belong somewhere else :)
[08:56] <highvoltage> getting late here
[08:56] <pygi> yup, aware of that :)
[08:57] <highvoltage> perhaps i should just take chapter 5 for now
[08:57] <highvoltage> most of the other stuff is mostly taken
[08:57] <pygi> highvoltage: please add a installation part to beginning of part2 *server installation*
[08:58] <pygi> if you want, ofcourse :)
[08:58] <highvoltage> ok
[08:58] <highvoltage> iwll do
[08:58] <pygi> highvoltage: also, the things you written might be used for other parts of the book as well, so it's all good :)
[09:00] <highvoltage> geez, it's only 9pm! feels like 11 :)
[09:09] <highvoltage> flint: still there?
[09:11] <lucasvo> highvoltage: here?
[09:11] <lucasvo> highvoltage: you are doing the homepage, aren't you?
[09:11] <highvoltage> lucasvo: yep
[09:12] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I have looked at it and would like to say somethings about it :)
[09:12] <highvoltage> lucasvo: although, we're getting a new one soon
[09:12] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ok, fire away
[09:12] <lucasvo> first of all, don't mix sharp edges and rounded ones 
[09:13] <lucasvo> (see login box and navigation box)
[09:13] <highvoltage> yeah. that's still up for fixation
[09:13] <highvoltage> i don't know why they didn't make the edges round by default
[09:13] <lucasvo> 2. if you use rounded edges look that the edges never "touch" any borders
[09:14] <lucasvo> make a margin for the boxes
[09:14] <highvoltage> check. also on my list of things to fix :)
[09:14] <highvoltage> originally, the boxes weren't against the edges of the page.
[09:15] <highvoltage> but later it went there to give a bit more horizontal space
[09:15] <lucasvo> the "tabs". I don't know what, but they still need some change
[09:15] <highvoltage> and because we wanted to make the top banner full width
[09:15] <highvoltage> the tabs at the top of a page?
[09:15] <highvoltage> oh, those tabs
[09:15] <lucasvo> I wouldn't use a different  color in the navigatin box
[09:15] <highvoltage> yes, i know what you mean.
[09:15] <lucasvo> highvoltage: yup the navigation tab
[09:16] <highvoltage> it's also because they're not anti-aliased nicely
[09:16] <lucasvo> I know whats wrong
[09:16] <highvoltage> the tab colours was one of the first things i changed, all the rest came after. it's no surprise that they don't fit :)
[09:16] <highvoltage> they're also not shaded or antialiased.
[09:16] <lucasvo> see on ubuntu.com: they have only a little difference from the contentpart-bgcolor
[09:16] <lucasvo> the active one has zero
[09:17] <lucasvo> and also, the boxes conflicht the tabs
[09:17] <lucasvo> because then, you think the tabs also change the boxes, not only the content of the pages
[09:18] <highvoltage> hmmm.. what do you mean by contentpart-bgcolor?
[09:18] <lucasvo> its the white part of the page
[09:18] <lucasvo> where the real content is in
[09:19] <lucasvo> I would put the Navigationbox above the login
[09:20] <lucasvo> anyway, is that login really that important?
[09:20] <lucasvo> can't one just make a loginbox on the wikipage for e.g.
[09:20] <lucasvo> the way it is on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[09:23] <highvoltage> just a moment...
[09:23] <lucasvo> I quite like the way, the edubuntu logo is included into the header
[09:28] <highvoltage> i'll get those tabs and borders fixed tomorrow
[09:29] <lucasvo> don't hurry
[09:29] <lucasvo> what do you think about the boxes, are they needed on both sides?
[09:29] <highvoltage> well, we are planning to replace the current edubuntu website with that one on Thursday, so we need to get that done ASAP :)
[09:30] <highvoltage> you know, i don't think they are
[09:30] <highvoltage> i wonder how they'll all look on the right hand side
[09:33] <lucasvo> yup
[09:33] <lucasvo> maybe not using such intensive colors would make the design more calm
[09:35] <highvoltage> hmmm... drupal doesn't give me my space back
[09:35] <highvoltage> the wild colours is something we can't change much :/
[09:35] <lucasvo> why?
[09:35] <highvoltage> although, with a bit of love we could make it work.
[09:35] <highvoltage> the red and orange is edubuntu's official colours.
[09:36] <highvoltage> and we agreed that we'd keep the 'funky' colours from the old site. the dapper version of edubuntu will also have lots of these colours in the theme
[09:36] <highvoltage> so it's part of the brand identity
[09:36] <lucasvo> well, you can still use them for smaller areas so they are not that dominant
[09:37] <lucasvo> on the old design, the colors don't change so often
[09:37] <lucasvo> maybe this would help as well
[09:43] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I would also put the navigation box on the right side
[09:45] <lucasvo> wow, that css is complicated
[09:46] <lucasvo> highvoltage: try to use a grey background for the tab
[09:47] <highvoltage> that css is way overcomplicated :)
[09:47] <highvoltage> lucasvo: been a bit of a nightmare to edit
[09:48] <highvoltage> perhaps i should just base off a simpler theme
[10:03] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i agree with everything you said so far about the edubuntu proto site.
[10:03] <highvoltage> lucasvo: if you think of more suggestions, could you please e-mail it to me?
[10:04] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu
[10:04] <highvoltage> lucasvo, Bluekuja: goodnight
[10:07] <Bluekuja> goodnight jon
[10:08] <Bluekuja> aww already gone :(
[11:00] <pygi> spacey: around?