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[12:50] <sabdfl> happy easter mdke
[12:50] <mdke> sabdfl, same to you :)
[12:50] <sabdfl> the ubuntu/member/mdke thing... does that happen automatically now for members?
[12:51] <mdke> sabdfl, no, Dennis deals with it for new members I think
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[08:46] <infignus> hi all
[08:46] <infignus> i have a small question for u
[08:46] <infignus> someone?
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[05:50] <Seveas> any launchpad developer around who's not on holiday?
=== sivang hugs Seveas 
[05:53] <sivang> Seveas: what's up?
[05:54] <Seveas> sivang, just looking for lp devs
[05:55] <Seveas> I want to give a short talk about it and want to know their opinion on what are important things to talk about
[05:55] <sivang> Seveas: sounds cool, major emphasis about maximized collaboration I'd say :-)
[05:55] <Seveas> of course
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[06:17] <highvoltage> hi launchpad land
[06:17] <highvoltage> i'm working on the new edubuntu site, which is Drupal based.
[06:17] <highvoltage> we want to translate the site into other languages, and Drupal supports .po files.
[06:18] <highvoltage> can we get the Edubuntu website into Launchpad for translation?
[06:18] <highvoltage> We're also going to use Drupal for Xubuntu.
[06:22] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: you around?
[06:44] <Seveas> highvoltage, just create an edubuntu-website product on launchpad
[06:44] <Seveas> you don't need launchpad staff for that ;)
[06:50] <highvoltage> Seveas: cool! thanks :)
[07:05] <highvoltage> Seveas: "Administrator help needed. Edubuntu Website has not yet been setup for translation through Rosetta." :/
[07:05] <highvoltage> that's what i get when i access https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu-website/+translations
[07:09] <highvoltage> my word. i wish i explored products in launchpad earlier. this is cool shit!
[07:16] <Seveas> highvoltage, 'administrator' is administrator of the project
[07:16] <Seveas> and I'm off for dinner now
[07:18] <highvoltage> Seveas: ok, enjoy.
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[07:41] <highvoltage> seems like launchpad has got the better of me again
[07:42] <highvoltage> how do enable the translation of a product in launchpad?
[07:42] <highvoltage> (what do i need to click on?)
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[07:57] <Bluekuja> back
[07:57] <Bluekuja> jon are you there or gone?
[07:57] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: how is it that you're just about everywhere else except on #edubuntu :)
[07:58] <Bluekuja> hehe :) i was with family
[07:58] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:59] <Bluekuja> and they gone just 3 minutes ago
[07:59] <highvoltage> ok
[07:59] <Bluekuja> now im here ready 
[07:59] <Bluekuja> tell me
[08:00] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: just sorting out the translations thing in launchpad, you should be able to start with the italian translations soon
[08:01] <Bluekuja> yeah of course
[08:01] <Bluekuja> np for it :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> excellent.
[08:02] <Bluekuja> when translations are ready ,ill start 
[08:02] <highvoltage> ok, i'll let you know
[08:02] <Bluekuja> perfect
[08:11] <Seveas> highvoltage, "define products launchpad usage" oslt
[08:15] <highvoltage> Seveas: yes, i finally found it :)
[08:16] <highvoltage> Seveas: if it's in the import approval queue, does that mean I need to approve it, or someone else?
[08:16] <Seveas> no idea, never seen that 
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[08:22] <zyga> geez, what's with the hiragana smile!
[08:23] <zyga> next thing we know all IM clients will replace it with a smiley with asian yeyes
[08:23] <zyga> eyes
[08:26] <highvoltage> zyga: yeah. like Seveas's smiley
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[08:49] <Petr> hello
[08:52] <Petr> I am new to Ubuntu. I tried to register to https://wiki.ubuntu.com but it redirected me to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/+login. The question is what is the relation between Ubuntu and Launchpad?
[08:53] <highvoltage> launchpad is used to manage the ubuntu distribution.
[08:53] <highvoltage> ubuntu will probably be entirely created from launchpad in the future.
[08:53] <highvoltage> launchpad is a canonical product, and so is ubuntu.
[08:54] <highvoltage> that probably answers the relation part.
[08:56] <Petr> hm, yes it explains it.
[08:59] <Petr> Perhaps it would be good to mention it somewhere. For example the wiki mentions word launchpad quite frequently and assumes some knowledge about the subject. But there is no article about the matter.
[09:00] <Petr> the registration page will benefit by adding link to "about launchpad" too
[09:01] <Petr> i would write about it, but one must register first :(
[09:09] <tortho> A little question... All these packages that is for translation in Dapper.... Does the changes go effectly directly to the package or does it only appear in Dapper? For example the OpenOffice packages... I thaught it was a little strange that some og them only had 2 out of 15000 strings translated..
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[09:41] <erdalronahi> hello
[09:42] <erdalronahi> Is there a chance that the faulty OpenOffice.org import into Rosetta will be repaired in the next days?
[09:42] <erdalronahi> We use Rosetta as the primary translation tool for OOo,
[09:42] <erdalronahi> and April 20th is the deadline for upstream translations
[09:43] <fabbione> erdalronahi: i think they were working on it already but i can't help more because i don't follow the project directly
[09:43] <erdalronahi> If there is no chance of fixing it in Rosetta, we will have to export the files from breezy and process them by hand
[09:44] <erdalronahi> which is tricky anyway...
[09:44] <fabbione> you will need to ask carlos or pitti or doko when they are online
[09:44] <erdalronahi> doko is online :)
[09:45] <tortho> What?.. Does this mean that there is no use to translate the Dapper OOo?!?!?!
[09:45] <erdalronahi> no, that does not mean that
[09:45] <erdalronahi> it means that during the import of the files from breezy
[09:46] <tortho> So all the packages i can find under Dapper - Norwegian wich i translate will go back and improve their sources?
[09:46] <erdalronahi> all untranslated strings have been replaced with the english translations
[09:46] <erdalronahi> for you that makes not much difference
[09:46] <erdalronahi> tortho
[09:46] <erdalronahi> no
[09:46] <erdalronahi> you have sources, havent you?
[09:47] <erdalronahi> Our team (Kurdish) hasnt
[09:47] <erdalronahi> the translations in Breezy are the only translations
[09:48] <erdalronahi> tortho, could I explain myself?
[09:48] <tortho> OK, to make it clear. If i Translate here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/nb Will the strings only occour in Dapper, or will they also go into furter releases of f
[09:48] <tortho> lets say "bison"
[09:49] <tortho> If it is only for Dapper it is more or less waste! to translate it there.
[09:49] <erdalronahi> just Dapper, unless you give it to upstream
[09:50] <erdalronahi> this is exactly what I am trying to do at the moment,
[09:50] <erdalronahi> and I find it not a waste at all
[09:50] <erdalronahi> ha, no
[09:50] <erdalronahi> got you wrong
[09:50] <erdalronahi> of course,
[09:50] <erdalronahi> the translations are valid for all further Ubuntu releases, too
[09:50] <erdalronahi> but not for other distributions
[09:51] <tortho> OK, that's better I'll do everything for Ubuntu, as long as i dont have to copy paste all the strings as the packages are introduced again.
[09:52] <tortho> And GnuCash, wich i translate outside rosetta/launchpad.
[09:52] <erdalronahi> doko: how are you?
[09:56] <tortho> But then another question. What happends when a new release of OpenOffice for example is released. If both I in lauchpad has translated it, and it is translated in the main application. Wich string is shown?
[09:57] <erdalronahi> Launchpad is sometimes synchronized with upstream
[09:57] <erdalronahi> but I don't know the exact procedure
[09:58] <erdalronahi> it's always good to coordinate efforts with upstream
[09:58] <tortho> yes it is, but how excact do i do it?
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[10:08] <erdalronahi> find out who works there and contact them
[10:08] <erdalronahi> especially the team leader for your language
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[11:08] <sabdfl> anybody know how to rejig PQM?
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[11:18] <Petr> hello
[11:18] <Petr> how is it possible to edit wiki.ubuntu.com?
[11:21] <sabdfl> Petr: just login and edit, some pages are locked but most are open
[11:21] <sabdfl> you need a Launchpad account
[11:21] <sabdfl> use the launchpad email/passwd to login to the wiki
[11:23] <Petr> i have registered at launchepad already, I succesfully log in (at launchpad.net) but I still cant edit even my own wiki page
[11:24] <Petr> it says "You are not allowed to edit this page."
[11:25] <Petr> and trying to login there gets "Sorry, wrong password."
[11:26] <sabdfl> are you using your full email address?
[11:26] <Petr> no
[11:26] <sabdfl> nromally when you log into a wiki you use your WikiName
[11:26] <sabdfl> but on wiki.ubuntu.com you use your email address and passwd
[11:26] <Petr> oh my
[11:27] <sabdfl> working?
[11:27] <Petr> so why the help does not say it?
[11:27] <sabdfl> dunno, url?
[11:27] <Petr> url of what?
[11:27] <Petr> the login form should say it
[11:29] <Petr> no, filling the whole email adres does not help
[11:29] <Petr> the url I am using to log in is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[11:31] <Petr> tho login always says "Sorry, wrong password.".
[11:32] <Petr> It says "wrong password" even for random account names.
[11:33] <Petr> oh jezus. now it works :(
[11:34] <Petr> the problem was that my browser probably cached something
[11:36] <Petr> and that the login page wrongly illed the password with bogus character with the _same_ length as my actual password tricking me into thinking that I do not need to retype the password
[11:38] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Improve spec pages and link to new documentation. (r3473: Mark Shuttleworth)
[11:40] <sabdfl> Petr: well, glad you're in now!
[11:41] <Petr> sabdfl: yes :), but it took dispropriate amount of labor to get in. This not very wiki-like.
[11:43] <Petr> ubuntu's wiki is quite active, do not see reason why it should be so closed. (And if there is reason, who not state it to the registration form or somewhere?)
[11:43] <sabdfl> Petr: can you file a bug?
[11:44] <Petr> well, I suppose I can...
[11:44] <Petr> where should I report it?
[11:46] <sabdfl> launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+filebug
[11:47] <Petr> sabdfl: are uou sure it is launchpad related?
[11:47] <fabbione> Petr: yes if you consider it is a LP usability/interface issue
[11:50] <Petr> yes, it feels like usability issue. but it is ubuntu's wiki's issue (although I was told that launchpad is ubuntu's tool or something like that)
[11:51] <mdke> it's quite a well known issue that. I think the problem is caused by your browser storing the password and inserting it on the UserPreferences page
[11:52] <mdke> it's worth filing on launchpad, if it isn't already there, because I'm fairly sure it's caused by the implementation of launchpad authentication on the wiki
[11:52] <Petr> possible, I saved the password which I ussualy not do
[11:52] <sabdfl> mdke: do you know which page is the template for the login page? i couldn't find it now
[11:52] <mdke> workaround: tell your browser not to save the password. you'll stay logged in
[11:52] <mdke> sabdfl, what do you mean?
[11:54] <sabdfl> mdke: there's a page where it says to use your "Launchpad login" but I think it should say "email address and Launchpad password"
[11:54] <mdke> and you want to know where the code if to change that?
[11:55] <mdke> s/if/is
[11:55] <mdke> it'll be in spiv's patch on the moin code, I suppose
[11:55] <sabdfl> mdke: ok, thanks
[11:56] <Petr> "email address and Launchpad password" <- yes, that would be good
[11:56] <sabdfl> Petr: could you file a bug and let me know the number?
[11:56] <Petr> yes
[11:56] <sabdfl> i'll assign it to spiv and comment on it
[11:57] <Petr> since the "email name" seems to be worked on now I supoose that i should fill the password blanking thing
[11:58] <sabdfl> Petr: file them both and let me know the numbers?
[11:58] <Petr> ok
[11:59] <sabdfl> thanks
[11:59] <sabdfl> now, back to my code