[12:36] LaserJock_away, pong [12:41] trappist, sorry, I don't see why removing xreflabels will have an unintended effect on cross references links [12:41] for example, the serverguide doesn't use them at all, and it happily cross references links === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke kicks screen [12:46] mdke: how come? if you got a "Lost terminal" it probably means you weren't running under screen. [12:46] highvoltage, i was though :) [12:47] i had to go out and kill it [12:47] murderer! [12:47] it deserved it [12:47] probably did === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:00] LaserJock_away, just had a quick look at the PG, from what I can see, the way you use linkends, there will be no problem simply removing the xreflabels and letting the links take their text from the relevant section titles [01:03] mdke: damn, i replied to you instead of to the list [01:03] robotgeek, np. By the way, this isn't super urgent [01:03] it can easily wait until next week at least [01:04] mdke: just came back from a run, i'll try to see if i can regex it :) [01:04] cool :) [01:05] ah good [01:05] mdke: you sure? [01:05] LaserJock, why not? [01:06] mdke: ok, so the beginning of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html [01:06] take a look at the ubuntu desktop guide in yelp, common tasks -> video -> dvd's has quite a few [01:06] there is a link to the pbuilder section [01:06] oh hell [01:07] well, that has to go [01:07] further down that page, the link to "Common Mistakes" is how internal links should be done [01:07] (in my opinion) [01:08] mdke: and at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html [01:08] there is a link to the chroot section [01:08] yeah, I see the problem. Damn [01:09] mdke: so what I'm saying is that I agree with you [01:09] but it might take a few string changes for me to make the change [01:09] sorry about that [01:09] yes, I see. I think it's worth doing the changes [01:09] linking on words like that is not a good idea, I don't think, because it is not obvious its a cross-reference [01:10] however, let's think about this [01:10] LaserJock, both those examples are of words which don't get translated [01:10] so in theory, you could leave those xreflabels, and remove others [01:10] thoughts? [01:11] hmm, well I'd like to get it right, and I'd like to make sure the links are translated [01:12] well, no one is going to translate "chroot" or "pbuilder", right? so those xreflabels are not a problem, they work in all languages [01:12] how many string changes are we talking? [01:14] not many. in fact, if we leave chroot and pbuilder then it might be fine as is [01:14] I'd have to look [01:16] ideally, I'd like you to do the changes, but if there are a few big paragraphs that translations would have to redo, it might be worth leaving chroot/pbuilder or whatever else won't make a difference [01:17] see how you go, I'd say [01:19] ok, I'll go through and see what I can do, just greping for linkend looks like it might be only 1 or 2 changes. [01:19] thanks a lot dude [01:29] hi LaserJock [01:32] LaserJock: spliting basics.xml? [01:34] what is froud? [01:34] froud is the irc nickname of a guy who used to work in the docteam [01:34] mdke: oh, ok [01:35] why do you ask? [01:35] mdke: I thought it was the new devel version name [01:35] ?! [01:35] where did you hear that? [01:35] mdke: I saw a branch in the repository named froud [01:36] oh right, gotcha [01:36] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/ [01:36] we should probably delete it [01:39] ok, I'm going to bed [01:39] later all [01:39] hi theCore [01:39] cya mdke [01:40] good bye mdke [01:40] LaserJock: so, are you spliting basics.xml? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060030ab12b2fb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:42] theCore: no [01:42] theCore: just trying to make things translatable [01:43] LaserJock: by the way, do you if there's any issues with pbuilder? [01:44] theCore: I think I cleaned it up [01:44] with the program itself, not the docs [01:47] oh, not that I know of [01:49] Hmm ... [01:49] I wonder why then mine isn't working [01:50] s/then// [01:51] sometimes the mirrors are not working for a bit [01:53] I able to fetch the package, but I get a wierd error at the end [01:56] which package is it dying on? [01:56] I don't remember === lakin__ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin__ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:10] mdke: that would only happen if the xreflabel was added because the linked section's title didn't fit the narrative flow where the link is, and that's the only reason I can think of to specify an xreflabel [06:11] right, so maybe xreflabel is just something we shouldn't use [06:18] maybe so [06:18] it's used in some 3rd party docs, like the fdl [06:18] or maybe it was the gpl I saw it in === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:41] trappist, talking of the fdl, did you see that it now gets subsections in the document indexes? (http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html) [10:42] so, docwiki is a tad rough around the edges.. heck I had to fix some of their C up just so it would work [10:42] trappist, what do you think about removing the

tags so that doesn't happen? [10:44] heya rob [10:45] hi mdke [10:45] happy easter everyone [10:46] I've been investigating several web-based solutions to allow people to contribute just using a browser.. a few promising projects but so far all of them need quite a bit of work [10:46] happy easter mdke [10:46] rob, that's unsurprising :) [10:46] yeah :) [10:47] i mean, if there isn't even a good wysiwyg editor for docbook xml, there is unlikely to be a web based extension for one [10:47] doing a lot of research before I roll my own [10:47] there are several good conversion tools and I've picked up a lot of good ideas from several projects, but none have been suitable thus far for what we do [10:48] http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/ [10:48] if you're interested in contributing code, may contributing the the moin xml generation thing would be an idea [10:48] may/maybe [10:49] that one was the most promising, but a lot of dependencies, a few major security issues and very rough around the edges [10:49] I'm having a look at the moin xml thing now :) === mdke goes for breakfast [10:51] what version of moin is Ubuntu running on the wiki? [10:56] hmm.. === rob is about to start his second apache install/setup in the last week === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === olive [n=olive@o.o6.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:13] rob, SystemInfo tells you the version of stuff [12:14] mdke, cool [12:29] rob - I have a person who wants a channel dropped - could I let them grab hold of you now? [12:29] jenda, sure [12:29] You don't speak french, by any chance? [12:30] no.. but I can probably manage [12:30] OK - I think he can manage english. It's teh #et channel. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === m0shul [n=marus@82.79.22.21] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-55.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === VincentRC [n=VincentR@143.193.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Cturtle [n=Cturtle@a213-84-50-38.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-55.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-153.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:45] Hi everybody, Happy Easter! === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc