[12:36] <mdke> LaserJock_away, pong
[12:41] <mdke> trappist, sorry, I don't see why removing xreflabels will have an unintended effect on cross references links
[12:41] <mdke> for example, the serverguide doesn't use them at all, and it happily cross references links
[12:46] <highvoltage> mdke: how come? if you got a "Lost terminal" it probably means you weren't running under screen.
[12:46] <mdke> highvoltage, i was though :)
[12:47] <mdke> i had to go out and kill it
[12:47] <highvoltage> murderer!
[12:47] <mdke> it deserved it
[12:47] <highvoltage> probably did
[01:00] <mdke> LaserJock_away, just had a quick look at the PG, from what I can see, the way you use linkends, there will be no problem simply removing the xreflabels and letting the links take their text from the relevant section titles
[01:03] <robotgeek> mdke: damn, i replied to you instead of to the list
[01:03] <mdke> robotgeek, np. By the way, this isn't super urgent
[01:03] <mdke> it can easily wait until next week at least
[01:04] <robotgeek> mdke: just came back from a run, i'll try to see if i can regex it :)
[01:04] <mdke> cool :)
[01:05] <mdke> ah good
[01:05] <LaserJock> mdke: you sure?
[01:05] <mdke> LaserJock, why not?
[01:06] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, so the beginning of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[01:06] <mdke> take a look at the ubuntu desktop guide in yelp, common tasks -> video -> dvd's has quite a few
[01:06] <LaserJock> there is a link to the pbuilder section
[01:06] <mdke> oh hell
[01:07] <mdke> well, that has to go
[01:07] <mdke> further down that page, the link to "Common Mistakes" is how internal links should be done
[01:07] <mdke> (in my opinion)
[01:08] <LaserJock> mdke: and at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-chap.html
[01:08] <LaserJock> there is a link to the chroot section
[01:08] <mdke> yeah, I see the problem. Damn
[01:09] <LaserJock> mdke: so what I'm saying is that I agree with you
[01:09] <LaserJock> but it might take a few string changes for me to make the change
[01:09] <LaserJock> sorry about that
[01:09] <mdke> yes, I see. I think it's worth doing the changes
[01:09] <mdke> linking on words like that is not a good idea, I don't think, because it is not obvious its a cross-reference
[01:10] <mdke> however, let's think about this
[01:10] <mdke> LaserJock, both those examples are of words which don't get translated
[01:10] <mdke> so in theory, you could leave those xreflabels, and remove others
[01:10] <mdke> thoughts?
[01:11] <LaserJock> hmm, well I'd like to get it right, and I'd like to make sure the links are translated
[01:12] <mdke> well, no one is going to translate "chroot" or "pbuilder", right? so those xreflabels are not a problem, they work in all languages
[01:12] <mdke> how many string changes are we talking?
[01:14] <LaserJock> not many. in fact, if we leave chroot and pbuilder then it might be fine as is
[01:14] <LaserJock> I'd have to look
[01:16] <mdke> ideally, I'd like you to do the changes, but if there are a few big paragraphs that translations would have to redo, it might be worth leaving chroot/pbuilder or whatever else won't make a difference
[01:17] <mdke> see how you go, I'd say
[01:19] <LaserJock> ok, I'll go through and see what I can do, just greping for linkend looks like it might be only 1 or 2 changes.
[01:19] <mdke> thanks a lot dude
[01:29] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[01:32] <theCore> LaserJock: spliting basics.xml?
[01:34] <theCore> what is froud?
[01:34] <mdke> froud is the irc nickname of a guy who used to work in the docteam
[01:34] <theCore> mdke: oh, ok
[01:35] <mdke> why do you ask?
[01:35] <theCore> mdke: I thought it was the new devel version name
[01:35] <mdke> ?!
[01:35] <mdke> where did you hear that?
[01:35] <theCore> mdke: I saw a branch in the repository named froud
[01:36] <mdke> oh right, gotcha
[01:36] <theCore> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/froud/
[01:36] <mdke> we should probably delete it
[01:39] <mdke> ok, I'm going to bed
[01:39] <mdke> later all
[01:39] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[01:39] <LaserJock> cya mdke 
[01:40] <theCore> good bye mdke
[01:40] <theCore> LaserJock: so, are you spliting basics.xml?
[01:42] <LaserJock> theCore: no
[01:42] <LaserJock> theCore: just trying to make things translatable
[01:43] <theCore> LaserJock: by the way, do you if there's any issues with pbuilder?
[01:44] <LaserJock> theCore: I think I cleaned it up
[01:44] <theCore> with the program itself, not the docs
[01:47] <LaserJock> oh, not that I know of
[01:49] <theCore> Hmm ...
[01:49] <theCore> I wonder why then mine isn't working
[01:50] <theCore> s/then//
[01:51] <LaserJock> sometimes the mirrors are not working for a bit
[01:53] <theCore> I able to fetch the package, but I get a wierd error at the end
[01:56] <LaserJock> which package is it dying on?
[01:56] <theCore> I don't remember
[06:10] <trappist> mdke: that would only happen if the xreflabel was added because the linked section's title didn't fit the narrative flow where the link is, and that's the only reason I can think of to specify an xreflabel
[06:11] <LaserJock> right, so maybe xreflabel is just something we shouldn't use
[06:18] <trappist> maybe so
[06:18] <trappist> it's used in some 3rd party docs, like the fdl
[06:18] <trappist> or maybe it was the gpl I saw it in
[10:41] <mdke> trappist, talking of the fdl, did you see that it now gets subsections in the document indexes? (http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html)
[10:42] <rob> so, docwiki is a tad rough around the edges.. heck I had to fix some of their C up just so it would work
[10:42] <mdke> trappist, what do you think about removing the <section> tags so that doesn't happen?
[10:44] <mdke> heya rob
[10:45] <rob> hi mdke 
[10:45] <mdke> happy easter everyone
[10:46] <rob> I've been investigating several web-based solutions to allow people to contribute just using a browser.. a few promising projects but so far all of them need quite a bit of work
[10:46] <rob> happy easter mdke 
[10:46] <mdke> rob, that's unsurprising :) 
[10:46] <rob> yeah :)
[10:47] <mdke> i mean, if there isn't even a good wysiwyg editor for docbook xml, there is unlikely to be a web based extension for one
[10:47] <rob> doing a lot of research before I roll my own
[10:47] <rob> there are several good conversion tools and I've picked up a lot of good ideas from several projects, but none have been suitable thus far for what we do
[10:48] <rob> http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/
[10:48] <mdke> if you're interested in contributing code, may contributing the the moin xml generation thing would be an idea
[10:48] <mdke> may/maybe
[10:49] <rob> that one was the most promising, but a lot of dependencies, a few major security issues and very rough around the edges
[10:49] <rob> I'm having a look at the moin xml thing now :)
[10:51] <rob> what version of moin is Ubuntu running on the wiki?
[10:56] <rob> hmm.. 
[12:13] <mdke> rob, SystemInfo tells you the version of stuff
[12:14] <rob> mdke, cool
[12:29] <jenda> rob - I have a person who wants a channel dropped - could I let them grab hold of you now?
[12:29] <rob> jenda, sure
[12:29] <jenda> You don't speak french, by any chance?
[12:30] <rob> no.. but I can probably manage
[12:30] <jenda> OK - I think he can manage english. It's teh #et channel.
[09:45] <LaserJock> Hi everybody, Happy Easter!