=== bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] hi LaserJock [01:09] hi bmonty! [01:09] how's the family? === cassidy [n=cassidy@130.114-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KriS|work [n=KriS@isperoni.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === Cimmerian [n=crom@80.239.71.231] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060030ab12b2fb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === [Chameleon] [n=Paul@000f660c9c52.click-network.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] Well, decided to do something different with my USB Pendrive [01:47] <\sh> boot stick for ubuntu? :) [01:47] No [01:47] <\sh> or DSL boot :) [01:47] close :P [01:47] DSL :P [01:48] <\sh> hehe... [01:48] <\sh> I knew it :) [01:48] One thing though [01:48] where the hell do I put MyDSL extensions so that they will load on boot? [01:48] <\sh> never played with DSL :) === Kyral falls down [01:48] bastard... [01:48] <\sh> trying to play with debian-cd with the patches from kamion [01:49] hehe [01:49] <\sh> after that, when I did my first ubuntu install cd image by myself, I'm doing live cds :) [01:49] Well, I figure a bootable Linux distro thats NOT a LiveCD would be most useful [01:49] <\sh> hmm..that's easy to accomplish with gentoo :) [01:49] <\sh> and catalyst [01:50] <\sh> but handwork like shit [01:50] Yah, but DSL's is literally a click on a menu :P [01:50] <\sh> too easy :) [01:50] oy.... [01:50] Yanno thats why I run Arch on this machine right now :P [01:51] <\sh> when I was at redhat I played with the sysadmin cd...in businesscard format :) [01:51] when I upgrade this summer (2x Dual Core Opterons BABY :D) [01:51] I'll jump this one to Gentoo just to see how insanely fast it will compile :D [01:51] <\sh> lol [01:51] <\sh> forget it :) [01:52] <\sh> I compiled it on a ibm blade server with 16 boards :) dual cpu board :) that was fun [01:52] <\sh> but just a burn in test with a running seti on high prio...damn..those boards were burning :) [01:52] bah you7 [01:52] but this is for my Desktop :D [01:53] heh, I don't think I'll be going back to Gentoo anytime soon [01:53] <\sh> why? [01:53] I did once [01:53] and I keep thinking about it [01:54] but right now, ArchLinux suits my Desktop perfectly [01:54] Xubuntu is sitting on my lappy of course :D [01:54] I just found that it wasn't worth it. Ubuntu/Debian work fine for me [01:54] Though I might wind up making my own Fluxbox based -Desktop package for personal use :D [01:54] with gentoo I just spent all my time compiling and not enough time using [01:54] <\sh> oh well...writing ebuilds and stuff was fun [01:55] <\sh> it was a shame that daniel robbins declined marks offer [01:55] Openbox >> Fluxbox :p [01:55] \sh: mark made an offer? that would have been sweet [01:55] meh [01:55] <\sh> wow...just reanimated my hoard pbuilder on my internet machine [01:55] lol [01:55] I got DNS working :D [01:55] <\sh> he tried to get drobbins before MS :) [01:57] I was sure sad when drobbins went to MS, that was about the time I jumped from Gentoo [01:57] <\sh> anyways..how it's going with the motu work in general? [01:57] <\sh> ah well....wife and 2 kids..you have to think about your purse ... [01:57] seems pretty good [01:57] \sh: for sure, I can understand that [01:57] <\sh> anyways...he left ms as fast as he jumped onto this ship :) [01:58] LaserJock: we had no rep at the time [01:58] huh? [01:58] \sh, "jumped onto this ship"? [01:58] lifeless: ah [01:59] <\sh> he left ms as fast as he joined ms....better? :) [02:00] \sh: do you know what he is doing now? [02:00] <\sh> ceo or cto of a software company for some weired shit :) [02:02] <\sh> http://www.abccodes.com/ali/bio/drobbins_bio.asp [02:03] hmm, interesting === Mongoose [n=mongoose@ip68-106-216-206.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin__ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] I may install Damn Small on my laptop now === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] stupid prorietary software :/ [02:29] :-) [02:29] I'm struggling with trying to decide to write my own pogram or just buy the stupid $1000 proprietary software [02:30] <\sh> for what? [02:30] software monopolies stink too :( [02:30] data collection [02:30] all I want to do is finish my PhD [02:31] <\sh> data collection is a big field :) [02:31] <\sh> what exactly? [02:31] <\sh> so...i386 ubuntu mirror is on my server finally [02:31] <\sh> now for the samba mount :) [02:31] I'm just getting data of an oscillascope via GPIB [02:32] <\sh> hmmmm..no serial connection? :) [02:32] heh, no [02:33] so I'm looking at either making a python GUI that uses linux-gpib driver (which may or may not work) or buying LabView [02:33] <\sh> strance osci :) [02:33] <\sh> use python :) [02:33] I'd like too, but I have to justify the time it would take me to do it to my boss [02:34] It'd take me > $1000 worth of time to write the program [02:35] but I sooo want to do it in Python and avoid National Instruments [02:35] <[Chameleon] > if it's something usable that could be sold, your company may be far more interested [02:36] <\sh> if your boss will spend the 1k USD buy the programm [02:37] LaserJock: why Python? [02:37] because Python rules the world! [02:37] <[Chameleon] > :) [02:37] and the only other language I know is FORTRAN [02:37] LaserJock: from a restricted point of view, yes [02:38] LaserJock: eh [02:38] LaserJock: I see now why Python rule from your point of view ;) [02:39] we have a program right now (written in C) that sort of works, but it is really buggy [02:39] if I could recycle some of that it might go faster [02:40] ncurses+pgplot just isn't working for me right now, especially when it freezes half way through a 2 hr data run === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:42] but I would think there would already be linux apps out there already for this sort of thing [02:42] I might just be looking for the wrong thing === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin__ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] heylo [02:48] Hello again zul [02:48] you are always here bddebian [02:48] Yep, I live here :-) [02:48] hehe... [02:49] did you make your bed this morning then === Hobbsee waves to everyone, in a half asleep state [02:54] <\sh> hey hobbsee [02:54] oh hi \sh - long time no see [02:54] Hello Hobbsee [02:54] <\sh> yeah [03:01] hey \sh [03:03] hi \sh [03:03] <\sh> hey zul, tseng :) [03:03] <\sh> happy easter [03:03] and you [03:04] you too [03:04] <\sh> thought I'm one of the the eastereggs you need to find :) [03:04] heh === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] finally they scored.. [03:17] our cat decided to bring an Easter bunny home today :( === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-233-41.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:31] I get a weird error when I try to build my pbuilder cache, what's the problem?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12366 [03:35] theCore: re-install debboostrap? === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-233-41.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] <\sh__> grmpf [03:36] <\sh__> shitty disconnect :) [03:36] bddebian: I did, I even taken the package from package.ubuntu.com [03:38] theCore: have you tried with a different archive? === \sh__ is now known as \sh [03:40] bmonty: no [03:41] theCore: are you using archive.ubuntu.com or a mirror? [03:41] bmonty: I'm using archive.ubuntu.com [03:42] hm does anyone know about FC5 and -fstack-protector [03:42] bmonty: now I'm trying with ca.archive.ubuntu.com [03:42] <\sh> thecore: what's wrong? [03:42] <\sh> tseng: which gcc are they using? [03:43] \sh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12366 [03:43] theCore: I've never had problems with a.u.c, but I have with mirrors === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] bmonty: maybe the problem is with my command [03:44] theCore: have you followed the pbuilder instructions in the wiki? [03:44] sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse" [03:44] no [03:45] bmonty: I followed the one in the Packaging Guide [03:45] theCore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [03:46] ahh, the packaging guide is also a good place to look [03:46] LaserJock: take notes [03:46] <\sh> thecore: i'm using the rc files for pbuilder stuff...and I'm not providing any big commandline stuff to it... [03:48] theCore: follow the instructions on the wiki page [03:48] bmonty: ok [03:49] theCore: if that doesn't work, put the entire output of the pbuilder run in the pastebin [03:50] bmonty: eh [03:50] bmonty: won't help much [03:51] bmonty: ok, I still get an error with ca.a.u.c === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] theCore: same error? [03:57] and did you follow all the steps on the wiki page? [03:57] bmonty: it haven't finished yet [04:02] arggh, reading backlog. I was putting some new flooring in [04:02] LaserJock: laminate floor? [04:02] vinyl tile [04:02] a little easier :) [04:03] have to get it done before the inlaws come down [04:03] nothing like being properly motivated to finish a project [04:03] heh [04:03] my wife made me sign a piece of paper that I would get it done ;-) [04:03] :) [04:04] my last flooring project had the entire living room and dining room stored in my garage....I was *very* motivated to get it put back together [04:05] mhm, I recarpeted the entire house when we first moved in. that was a big project [04:05] theCore: any luck. [04:05] LaserJock: I don't do carpet [04:05] I don't want to have to redo the Packaging Guide, again [04:06] bmonty: my only comment is, they pay people for a reason ;-) [04:06] didn't work again [04:06] LaserJock: I think the pbuilder instructions in the packaging guide is a little minimal on pbuilder setup [04:06] bmonty: think so? [04:06] you could probably just reference the pbuilderhowto page [04:06] womble was showing me how you don't have to ever mess with pbuilderrc [04:07] and it is much simpiler [04:07] than the pbuilderhowto wiki page [04:07] does it work with unauthenticated packages? [04:08] fine, I think [04:08] bddebian: so, do you a longer output from pbuilder? [04:08] theCore: ? [04:08] do you want* [04:08] theCore: Sorry I've been afk. Still no luck? [04:09] theCore: what version of pbuilder are you using? === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] <\sh> LaserJock: actually the best way to work with pbuilder is checking the examples...in /usr/share/pbuilder/examples there is this script pbuider- script..and this I'm using in a different (tweaked) way...totally easy...you have to setup only one time those rc files and be happy :) [04:10] brb [04:11] bmonty: 0.145ubuntu4 [04:12] theCore: ok === dewd_ [n=dewd@201.29.127.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] should I use cdebootstrap? [04:17] theCore: it shouldn't matter [04:25] \sh: exactly, that is what I did, although in a simpler (no script) way [04:26] basically you never have to mess with /etc/pbuilderrc files [04:26] <\sh> LaserJock: i don't mess with /etc files anyways :) [04:26] <\sh> i have all my pbuilder stuff in my home :) [04:26] <\sh> everything but the cache [04:26] This xmkfmf stuff is making me sick [04:28] hi \sh, Hobbsee et al :) [04:28] hi ajmitch [04:28] Heya ajmitch === Hobbsee happily munches on easter egg :D [04:29] I'll probably redo the pbuilderhowto when I get all the details worked out [04:29] hi ajmitch [04:30] \sh: good to see you still around [04:30] the /etc/pbuilder/apt.config part seems to mess people up [04:31] <\sh> laserjock: trying to write something about it on my blog....give me some minutes :) [04:31] <\sh> hey ajmitch [04:31] \sh: cool, thanks [04:32] darn it, our cat just brought back the same bunny. :( [04:32] not smart [04:33] haha [04:34] twice in one day. must be she just wants to bring us an easter bunny :/ [04:34] LaserJock: thankfully, my wife's cat doesn't kill bunnies since the bunnies around here would probably kill the cat [04:35] bmonty: yeah, this one is tiny, but our cat just seem to want to bring it to us, not kill it [04:36] bmonty: so my wife just lets it out in the front yard [04:37] LaserJock: I don't know if I'd let him go...I'd probably find him eating stuff out of my garden later :) [04:38] heh, it's Nevada, not a lot of gardens around here. We are lucky if we get grass [04:38] I heard there are towns that are encouraging people to not grow grass to save on water [04:39] I guess you save on property taxes or something [04:41] I swear our /etc/X11/config/cf stuff is fucked up === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] bddebian: um, we were waiting for Darren to incorporate the changes for #39507 before uploading... [04:43] crimsun: ? [04:43] "Uploaded with attached fix. Thank you for the report and the Fix." [04:44] RE: HIG compliant menu entry [04:44] (gxine) [04:44] crimsun: Oh, sorry, mdke asked me to do that [04:44] There wasn't a note on the bug about it was there? === crimsun finds a bat for both === bddebian crawls back to Hurd [04:47] bmonty: I wouldn't doubt it. There are a lot of xeroscapes (no grass, just rock) here. [04:54] <\sh> oh man...writing a documentation is no fun...I have scripts for all that :) [05:00] good night everyone [05:00] \sh: heh, documentation is a lot harder than I would have thought [05:00] cya bmonty [05:02] the Ubuntu Packaging Guide took what seemed like forever, and quite a bit of the material was from the wiki [05:06] <\sh> well, as I said, all this stuff is automated on my buildhost...I can even generate a dchroot in a couple of seconds, no matter what distro or arch on my amd64 [05:06] \sh: yeah, I think for Dapper+1 I'll try to move more in that direction [05:13] \sh! Long time no see! [05:13] afternoon StevenK === StevenK waves === Hobbsee waves to StevenK === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee [05:14] argh! now i *knew* that was going to happen! [05:14] Hobbsee: you shouldn't encourage him [05:14] I don't need encouraging! [05:14] hmmm...true [05:15] <\sh> hey stevenk :) === Hobbsee attaches big spikes to herself, so that StevenK will not enjoy trying to jump on her again :P [05:16] ... or maybe I will. [05:17] not with echidna like spikes... [05:17] you'd get fairly cut up [05:17] Hobbsee: how's it going? (other than getting jumped by StevenK) [05:18] Hobbsee: how's school? [05:18] LaserJock: going ok, on holidays from uni at the moment. i've been at work (urgh) [05:18] yeesh, we're not supposed to condone violence in here ;p [05:18] hehe === Hobbsee is not violent...well, not very violent, anyway === StevenK is having fun with his uni, too. [05:19] Async I/O on Windows blows. [05:21] lunch. right after breakfast [05:22] Isn't that the best time for it? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-246-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] <\sh> ok think i have it finished now :) [05:29] <\sh> just saving and publishing it :) [05:30] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/188-How-to-manage-pbuilder-the-sh-way.html [05:30] <\sh> LaserJock: here you are [05:30] \sh: thanks [05:31] <\sh> well..for me I created some perl scripts which are generating all the other shell scripts and all the files and doing some s/// stuff with it :) === ajmitch has a similar set of scripts [05:32] except I have shorter names since I'm lazier ;) [05:33] like adbuild for pbuilder build, for dapper amd64 ;) [05:33] <\sh> well...I have shortcuts for dapper (amd64) dapper-i386 (i386) breezy (amd64) breezy-i386 (i386) etc. :) [05:34] <\sh> anyways this approachs helps the people to understand when they have to deal with more then one release :) === ajmitch only recently got this amd64, so no breezy amd64 setup for it [05:35] <\sh> I'm just working on building ubuntu cds the kamion way :) [05:36] heh [05:36] document it, I'll need to do that very soon :) [05:36] <\sh> grabbed his tla archives for his cdimage scripts and the debian-cd variant of him... [05:36] urls? [05:36] \sh: is step 4 necessary? [05:36] p.u.c/~cjwatson, I guess.. === ajmitch tries [05:37] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/CdBuildProcess [05:37] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/ [05:37] thanks [05:37] <\sh> and then cdimage and debian-cd categories of his tla archive [05:37] <\sh> it's all weired...many many things totally hardcoded for the daily cdbuilds :) [05:39] <\sh> and then, when was it, during the last 2 days ... I found an uvf exception report for updating kio_apt because it has to be adjusted to work with packages.ubuntu.com [05:40] <\sh> lol...I just checked the source, and I threw up. the who konqui html page is generated statically inside the C++ code..just like Perls CGI stuff [05:40] how evil [05:40] <\sh> ugly ugly [05:40] that's just broken [05:40] <\sh> mu thoughts...I was just starting to code a template modell for different debian based distros with similar pages :) [05:40] <\sh> s/mu/my/ === ajmitch shudders [05:41] <\sh> so you only have to check which distro it is, which release and read the html template.... [05:45] ok, it looks like you could take pbuilder-distribution.sh and change DISTRIBUTION [05:47] <\sh> well...if you have more then one distribution (dapper, breezy, etc.) then the auto determination is quite nice :) [05:47] <\sh> there are different ways...my scripts are at least a bit different... [05:47] <\sh> but we want the user to use there muscle between their shoulders, right? [05:48] well, I'm just trying to see if steps 4,5 and 6 are neccessary [05:49] <\sh> if you automate things, yes they are :) [05:49] shouldn't pbuilder-distribution.sh take care of everything? [05:49] I'm just trying to figure this out once for all [05:50] womble seemed to indicate that pbuilder-distribution.sh would be sufficent [05:51] <\sh> well...no [05:51] <\sh> you have to substitute distribution in pbuilder-distribution.sh with dapper/breezy etc. and remove the .sh [05:51] <\sh> after all, I'm doing more...you can directly login into the pbuilder chroot [05:52] <\sh> compare my script and the example script :) [05:52] <\sh> I worked on one script which determines as well the arch of the distro for what I want to build a package... [05:53] yes, but it doesn't seem like steps 4 & 5 are neccesary [05:53] what are they doing? [05:53] <\sh> they are putting the files inside the ~/pbuilder/ dir [05:53] <\sh> and not in the /var/cache/pbuilder dir [05:54] <\sh> as well you have to adjust some things for the apt.conf.d stuff autoupdate should not be enabled etc. [05:54] <\sh> you have to take care. [05:54] <\sh> accordingly to the pbuilderhowto wiki page :) [05:54] <\sh> and for my pbuilder-dapper script I added "pbuilder-dapper login [05:54] <\sh> " [05:55] yes, but from what I've seen none of that is neccesary [05:55] the pbuilder login thing is cool [05:56] <\sh> of course [05:56] <\sh> you don't want to have dapper-base.tar.gz in /var/cache/pbuilder [05:56] <\sh> you want to have it in your home [05:56] that is done in the script === ajmitch has the usual ~/pbuilder/base_tarballs, ~/pbuilder/configs :) [05:57] <\sh> right..and pbuilderrc you have more options to check in.... [05:57] <\sh> I have 4 of those files, dapper, breezy, hoary, warty :) [05:57] <\sh> I can use them for amd64/i386 pbuilder [05:58] <\sh> etc. and if I need more mirrors or other archives, I just add them to those files [05:58] <\sh> and some of the mentioned debootstrap options , passed to pbuilder, are not working correctly :) [05:58] but why not just use --OTHERMIRROR in the script [05:59] <\sh> when pbuilder is started with e.g. --debootstrapopts "arch=i386" [05:59] <\sh> because you don't want to adjust in a script file data which is changeable :) [06:00] <\sh> in the rc file you can add lots and lots of those entries without messing the script... [06:00] <\sh> readability :) [06:01] hmm, I've just seen people have problems with those steps and I don't need them to make and use pbuilders [06:01] <\sh> honestly, if the people have problems with those step, they shouldn't use pbuilder at all [06:02] <\sh> in other words: the rc file is well documented, better then the script...so if they are checking the script, they don't even know what "othermirror" is [06:03] <\sh> in the rc file it's mentioned [06:03] yeah, not so much the rc part but the apt config [06:03] <\sh> well not in mine [06:04] <\sh> the apt.config part is much different...for this you have to know what apt is doing during normal operation mode, and when it's used in pbuilder or debootstrap [06:04] <\sh> which means, deeper knowledge [06:05] I'll have to test this more === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-68-200-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] hi Yagisan [06:06] G'day ajmitch [06:07] welcome back Hobbsee [06:07] thanks :) [06:07] Heya Yagisan === Hobbsee is freezing! [06:07] ajmitch: need to redo my strategy for testing packages with SSP. [06:08] G'day Hobbsee, bddebian [06:08] hi Yagisan [06:08] ajmitch: so many cruddy makefiles redefining CC and CFLAGS :( [06:09] sounds fairly usual [06:11] ajmitch: yep. I've decided to patch gcc-defaults, build-essential, and make a new esel-builder (like pentium-builder) package, then try to rebuild a couple of core libraries and see how things go [06:12] but first, I'll relax a bit but updating the packaging for deng [06:12] s/but/by [06:13] heh [06:14] I see I'm just about up with you for f@h :) [06:14] ajmitch: that's not hard. I have just 2 boxes (200MHz, 850Mhz) running it [06:14] <\sh> hmmm..does anybody have a collection of music from the band "iced earth"...looks like this band is really missing in my collection [06:14] s/200Mhz/2000Mhz [06:15] yeah, whereas I have 2x2.2GHz amd64 cores, and a 2GHz p-m [06:15] ajmitch: feel free to donate one to me ;) [06:16] heh :) [06:16] a little hard to carve up the amd64 [06:16] sorry \sh, I've never heard of them. [06:17] ajmitch you still have access to a powerpc box ? [06:17] <\sh> metal rulez da world :) [06:17] \sh: ah, as I'm not into that, it isn't a surprise then. [06:18] <\sh> just found something :) [06:18] <\sh> 5 cd box...hmmm....btlaunchmanycurses ^^ [06:18] <\sh> oh fck..it's 6:18 [06:18] <\sh> utc+2 [06:20] <\sh> I have to do something....I felt so displaced in the last couple of weeks [06:21] \sh: what's up ? [06:21] <\sh> oh don't ask...I'm just totally fcked up with my life... [06:22] <\sh> totally personal desaster === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] <\sh> but one thing all this shit is good for...I lost 15kg :) [06:22] \sh: don't worry, you'll get through it. [06:24] <\sh> well....to be honest...I was close to shut everything down...including myself...but there are so many good people in this world, I got so many emails and everybody wanted to help me...really I was surprised... [06:24] is "Architecture: any (!i386) valid in a control file ? [06:25] <\sh> and one gut especially...I'll have an interview on tuesday [06:25] Isn't it [!i386] ? [06:25] \sh: Great [06:25] \sh: I'm not really sure what is wrong with you, I just saw the emails you sent, and wanted to know if you are ok ? [06:25] bddebian: ah, thanks. so it was a typo [06:26] Yagisan: I'm used to typing [!hurd-i386] ;-P [06:27] <\sh> short version: I quite my job, cause I was burned out...then I took another freelance job for one week, earned some money, paid my bills for january and february, after then no new jobs...so I didn't have any money, couldn't buy anything to eat or drink, and felt down in my life...I didn't pay my rent for 2 months now, need to pay the car and phones etc. but without no money it's not possible..I went to all offices here in germany to get hel [06:27] <\sh> old company, so i'm stucked. [06:28] <\sh> and the last 1 1/2 weeks I wasn't eating at all, I felt like dieing. [06:28] <\sh> so I took precautions... [06:29] <\sh> the result, i gave up main/universe upload rights, tried to find other people who can take care about some services running on my server, etc. but suddenly there was one guy who helped me out a bit...and pulled me out of my situation, for now...and hopefully forever [06:30] <\sh> I'm looking forward to tuesday...if this works out, great, if not....THEN I have really problems :) [06:30] \sh: I understand, I've been in a similar situation, it all looks like shit at the moment, but it will get better, even if you end up doing stuff you'd rather not for a short while === bddebian does stuff he'd rather not all his life :-( [06:31] <\sh> well..it's shit when you would get money from the state, which I paid for quite some time (15 years now) and they can't give you anything because of one piece of paper [06:32] <\sh> this is really pissing you off...and you can't call those people, because the phone is dead. [06:32] <\sh> my ex is coming with a lawyer wants to have money which I don't have...etc. it's really depressing... [06:33] <\sh> I worked for a while at a gas station as nightshift :( 15 eur per 12h [06:33] <\sh> without a tax card...that's why.... [06:36] ouch [06:36] \sh: 15 euro for 12 hours work ?? [06:36] <\sh> yes [06:36] <\sh> slave work [06:37] <\sh> actually I could buy food at this time [06:37] \sh: thats fucking unbelievable [06:39] <\sh> believe me, when you need something to eat, you do anything... [06:39] <\sh> oh is kenny duffus on irc? [06:40] never heard of him === bddebian either [06:40] <\sh> the guy behind "Behind Ubuntu [06:40] <\sh> he spend 10 euros this morning :) [06:40] IRC: seaLne on network irc.freenode.net [06:40] looks to be in #u-bugs [06:42] <\sh> when I send the mail yesterday morning to u-m not quite 1 hour later paypal triggert "you have something incoming" :) [06:42] \sh: oh, I know that. There was a time when I didn't have a home to live in, so I do feel your pain. [06:42] \sh: but it's all in german :) [06:43] <\sh> ajmitch: what? did I wrote in german? [06:43] <\sh> lol [06:43] no, the paypal page [06:43] <\sh> hmm.... [06:43] <\sh> I knew there is something wrong [06:44] <\sh> there is written "spenden" and not "donate" :( [06:44] <\sh> fck [06:44] yeah [06:44] and the source has de_DE === ajmitch only speaks en_NZ :) [06:45] <\sh> wait....let me see if this can be changed === ajmitch only has a CC, no paypal account :) === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] <\sh> create one..it's an advantage :) [06:49] <\sh> you can pay with CC to an paypal account anyways :) [06:49] I know [06:49] but it's harder when the page isn't in english :) [06:52] <\sh> now :) [06:52] <\sh> it's in english :) [06:53] ok :) [06:53] much easier for us dim-witted english speakers :) [06:53] <\sh> since yesterday night I wasn't even paypal customer :) [06:54] <\sh> I don't know who brought this idea to me [06:54] <\sh> one of the motus I think :) [06:54] we talked about it here [06:54] we were trying to find out the best way to get you help [06:56] \sh: I don't think a personal account can receive CC payments [06:56] <\sh> i don't have a personal [06:56] <\sh> kenny just used a CC card...and I had to update [06:56] Well send us the # :-) [06:57] <\sh> I pay around 63 cent for a 10 eur donation :) [06:57] <\sh> when it's coming via CC card...anyways [06:59] <\sh> crimsun: you are crazy...thx [07:01] <\sh> actually I would like to publish the names on my website...to say thank you...but I don't know if this is ok [07:02] any issues registering with paypal ? I don't actually have a CC. [07:02] ask the senders if they wish to remain anonymous, and if you don't receive a reply, assume they wish to remain anonymous. [07:03] <\sh> no...in germany it's easy you can pay also via direct debit [07:05] <\sh> crimsun: any objections? === jinty [n=jinty@94.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] \sh: hopefully you'll have enough to eat for awhile now :) [07:07] Goddamnit, I can't remember my paypal password.. grrr [07:08] <\sh> oh I will send everything back if I don't need it :) or should I donate it to the ubuntu foundation? [07:08] \sh: I would have preferred anonymity, but it's pretty moot now. [07:09] crimsun: I didn't hear anything ;-) [07:09] hi all [07:10] <\sh> crimsun: I'm not doing anything :) I just said you are crazy :) for whatever reason :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan is still reading all the terms and conditions on paypal [07:19] <\sh> well...for private accounts and upgraded accounts everything is free, you have to pay some fees for the upgraded accounts when you receive money [07:19] ACK.. WTF [07:34] Shit it's 1AM, gnight folks === Yagisan needs to duck out for a bit. I finally found a chemist that is open, but a bit of a trip away. [07:56] <\sh> good luck :) [07:58] thanks \sh. My daughter picked a bad time to get sick. Easter long weekend sucks if you actually want to buy something (like food, or medicine) [07:58] <\sh> yeah same here.... [07:59] <\sh> well...actually I can't go even to a chemist or doctor...no health care in the moment :)) [08:01] \sh: all least the doctor is covered (he charges the government). the chemist however, will be full price. [08:01] s/all/at === Yagisan walking out the door now. bbl [08:01] <\sh> cu later :) [08:01] heh, I got excited at the mention of "chemist" then I realized it wasn't my kind of chemist [08:02] LaserJock: sorry, we use slightly different language in this part of the world :) [08:03] apparently, I didn't know that [08:03] hmmm...i'd be surprised if there were any chemists open today... [08:03] even the supermarkets arent open today! [08:07] there will be some open [08:07] since people will need essential stuff [08:08] true...a few... [08:08] maccas was open on friday, and shops down in manly - that was it [08:08] nothing interseting up this end of the world [08:09] the main supermarket in town (usually open 24/7) was closed today [08:09] I suspect the urgent pharmacy would have had someone on duty though [08:10] <\sh> it's easter :) [08:10] <\sh> you don't need a supermarket...just a rabbit :) [08:15] that is true [08:15] \sh: hehe. and a knife, to remove all the fur :P [08:16] <\sh> yeah...mjam...tasty...rabbit roast :) [08:16] hehe! === Hobbsee pictures work selling rabbits [08:16] ROFL!!!! === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee pictures a rabbit being thrown at the night supervisor, instead of the food === pwebrick [n=pwebrick@67-50-85-221.br1.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] hey hows it going everyone [08:19] i got a question now one else has been able to answer [08:20] whenever i perform sudo i get a setuid must be root error [08:20] any suggestions [08:21] sounds like you've changed your sudo binary permissions somehow.. [08:22] is there anyway to change the permissions back [08:22] like a file of some sort [08:22] yes, but you need to have root privileges to do it :) [08:22] <\sh> boot into rescue mode [08:23] ok i can do that [08:23] i can just get into root [08:24] what configuration files should i be looking at [08:26] <\sh> /usr/bin/sudo first :) [08:26] ok is it changing hte file permissions on the file or am i using vi to change something in the file [08:26] hmm, anybody know of a place where I could get something like free wiki hosting? [08:28] LaserJock: for an OS projet? [08:28] pwebrick: changing permissions on the file [08:28] laserjock try wikihost.org [08:28] ok [08:28] changing the permissions [08:29] ok [08:29] Lathiat: actually, I was just trying to find a place I can put info where I can access it anywhere === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:29] LaserJock: ah ok [08:33] ok thanks guys i have been trying to solve this problem for days now... [08:33] or maybe you guys know of a place where I can put stuff, files, info, etc. [08:35] digitaldropbox might be what you are looking for === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [08:39] ack!!! [08:39] well done Hobbsee :) [08:39] nice [08:39] hehe [08:40] i got more channels, when i wasnt looking! === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [08:40] <\sh> I don't think ubuntu-motu channel is secured anyways :) [08:41] true === Hobbsee mutters about silly trolls === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pwebrick [n=pwebrick@67-50-85-221.br1.tbr.ga.frontiernet.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja_ [n=Natja@21-215.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-087-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] heya motus ! === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] hi ! Happy Easter! [10:26] <\sh> happy easter to you to zakame [10:26] happy easter zakame and \sh [10:26] Happy Easter :) [10:26] :) [10:26] \sh!!! highvoltage!!! tritium!!! =) [10:27] Hi \sh, highvoltage, zakame [10:27] <\sh> hey zakame hows the debian life going? :) [10:27] hi [10:27] hi ajmitch [10:28] \sh: I'm taking a breather before diving into packaging a new CVS package [10:29] <\sh> wow...what about njam? is it finally in debians archives? :) [10:29] yup, apparently [10:30] \sh: why are you still awake? :) [10:31] <\sh> because of this doomed kamion build cd script :) [10:32] heh === ajmitch is still trying to do the rsync [10:32] going very slowly [10:34] <\sh> yeah... [10:34] <\sh> and be careful === zakame has to catch up [10:35] <\sh> you need the debian-cd archive in the cdimage.no-name-yet.com directory :) [10:35] aha [10:35] fun [10:36] <\sh> I'm doing this now... [10:36] <\sh> debmirror [10:36] <\sh> only i386 [10:36] <\sh> then getting the other files out of dists and indicies via ncftp [10:37] <\sh> let's see if this helps === ajmitch is considering using debmirror, just for sparc off ports.u.c [10:38] anything would be faster than the crawling it's doing now [10:40] ajmitch: what are you doing? [10:40] tritium: grabbing packages via rsync [10:41] wow LP uses some ajax(?) magic now... [10:41] <\sh> the header? [10:41] ajmitch: yes, but why? [10:41] <\sh> the navigation bar? i think it's just plain css [10:41] oh [10:42] tritium: for work stuff [10:42] ah, ok [10:42] zakame: why do you think it's ajaxified? [10:43] ajmitch: heh, I was too numbed with gmails' :/ [10:43] hmm, is there something worgn with the source-pkg for digikam? 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[02:04] (I only got one bit from you, about changing the version number to native one) [02:04] sivang: nope not yet... i'll take a look in 10 minutes, don't worry :) but first i need to get a coffee ;) [02:05] slomo_: ofcourse :) === cassidy [n=cassidy@130.114-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] hey \sh, good to see you around again! :) [02:17] slomo_: pong [02:18] <\sh> hey siretart :) how's life? :) [02:18] hi siretart [02:19] \sh: thanks, I just returned from vienna, had a great week, will do some ubuntu/debian stuff today and tomorrow, and then start with my thesis :) [02:19] huhu ajmitch [02:19] <\sh> siretart: sounds great, I wish you all the luck you need for your thesis :) [02:20] \sh: thank you! :) [02:22] siretart: we have a problem now ;) marillat uses /usr/lib/codecs instead of /usr/lib/win32 now [02:23] slomo_: hm. what do you suggest? I assume we can move easily as well, no? [02:24] siretart: and users would have to move their stuff... what does xine in debian currently use? still /usr/lib/win32? [02:24] I think so. === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] why did marillat move? [02:25] ok then let's ignore marillat's weird decisions for now [02:25] no idea... probably because it doesn't contain only win32 codecs but mac codecs on ppc for example [02:25] perhaps we could ask him why he did that [02:25] hm [02:26] I see [02:26] but as /usr/lib/win32 is used since ages everywhere it is a great change... [02:26] I think moving wouldn't be such a great issue, I assume. or is it that painful to adjust xine? [02:27] it's not painful to adjust anything... it's just a path :) [02:27] but users have their codecs in /usr/lib/win32 [02:27] and one million packages expect it there atm === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] hm. then let's ignore marillat for dapper, and reconsider for edgy [02:28] ok [02:29] i had a bug in debian on one of my packages because of that yesterday... that's why i know it ;) === sivang wonders again when edgy was named :) [02:30] edgy? [02:30] Hobbsee: dapper+1 i suppose :) [02:31] it isn't official at all, I think [02:31] phanatic: i realise that, i didnt know it was announced though... [02:31] it was at the day the new release date for dapper was discussed [02:31] oh ok [02:31]