[01:05] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[01:09] <LaserJock> hi bmonty!
[01:09] <LaserJock> how's the family?
[01:45] <Kyral> Well, decided to do something different with my USB Pendrive
[01:47] <\sh> boot stick for ubuntu? :)
[01:47] <Kyral> No
[01:47] <\sh> or DSL boot :)
[01:47] <Kyral> close :P
[01:47] <Kyral> DSL :P
[01:48] <\sh> hehe...
[01:48] <\sh> I knew it :)
[01:48] <Kyral> One thing though
[01:48] <Kyral> where the hell do I put MyDSL extensions so that they will load on boot?
[01:48] <\sh> never played with DSL :)
[01:48] <Kyral> bastard...
[01:48] <\sh> trying to play with debian-cd with the patches from kamion
[01:49] <Kyral> hehe
[01:49] <\sh> after that, when I did my first ubuntu install cd image by myself, I'm doing live cds :)
[01:49] <Kyral> Well, I figure a bootable Linux distro thats NOT a LiveCD would be most useful
[01:49] <\sh> hmm..that's easy to accomplish with gentoo :)
[01:49] <\sh> and catalyst
[01:50] <\sh> but handwork like shit
[01:50] <Kyral> Yah, but DSL's is literally a click on a menu :P
[01:50] <\sh> too easy :)
[01:50] <Kyral> oy....
[01:50] <Kyral> Yanno thats why I run Arch on this machine right now :P
[01:51] <\sh> when I was at redhat I played with the sysadmin cd...in businesscard format :)
[01:51] <Kyral> when I upgrade this summer (2x Dual Core Opterons BABY :D)
[01:51] <Kyral> I'll jump this one to Gentoo just to see how insanely fast it will compile :D
[01:51] <\sh> lol
[01:51] <\sh> forget it :)
[01:52] <\sh> I compiled it on a ibm blade server with 16 boards :) dual cpu board :) that was fun
[01:52] <\sh> but just a burn in test with a running seti on high prio...damn..those boards were burning :)
[01:52] <Kyral> bah you7
[01:52] <Kyral> but this is for my Desktop :D
[01:53] <LaserJock> heh, I don't think I'll be going back to Gentoo anytime soon
[01:53] <\sh> why?
[01:53] <Kyral> I did once
[01:53] <Kyral> and I keep thinking about it
[01:54] <Kyral> but right now, ArchLinux suits my Desktop perfectly
[01:54] <Kyral> Xubuntu is sitting on my lappy of course :D
[01:54] <LaserJock> I just found that it wasn't worth it. Ubuntu/Debian work fine for me
[01:54] <Kyral> Though I might wind up making my own Fluxbox based -Desktop package for personal use :D
[01:54] <LaserJock> with gentoo I just spent all my time compiling and not enough time using
[01:54] <\sh> oh well...writing ebuilds and stuff was fun
[01:55] <\sh> it was a shame that daniel robbins declined marks offer
[01:55] <LaserJock> Openbox >> Fluxbox :p
[01:55] <LaserJock> \sh: mark made an offer? that would have been sweet
[01:55] <Kyral> meh
[01:55] <\sh> wow...just reanimated my hoard pbuilder on my internet machine
[01:55] <Kyral> lol
[01:55] <Kyral> I got DNS working :D
[01:55] <\sh> he tried to get drobbins before MS :)
[01:57] <LaserJock> I was sure sad when drobbins went to MS, that was about the time I jumped from Gentoo
[01:57] <\sh> anyways..how it's going with the motu work in general?
[01:57] <\sh> ah well....wife and 2 kids..you have to think about your purse ...
[01:57] <LaserJock> seems pretty good
[01:57] <LaserJock> \sh: for sure, I can understand that
[01:57] <\sh> anyways...he left ms as fast as he jumped onto this ship :)
[01:58] <lifeless> LaserJock: we had no rep at the time
[01:58] <Kyral> huh?
[01:58] <Kyral> \sh, "jumped onto this ship"?
[01:58] <LaserJock> lifeless: ah
[01:59] <\sh> he left ms as fast as he joined ms....better? :)
[02:00] <LaserJock> \sh: do you know what he is doing now?
[02:00] <\sh> ceo or cto of a software company for some weired shit :)
[02:02] <\sh> http://www.abccodes.com/ali/bio/drobbins_bio.asp
[02:03] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[02:20] <Kyral> I may install Damn Small on my laptop now
[02:28] <LaserJock> stupid prorietary software :/
[02:29] <bddebian> :-)
[02:29] <LaserJock> I'm struggling with trying to decide to write my own pogram or just buy the stupid $1000 proprietary software
[02:30] <\sh> for what?
[02:30] <LaserJock> software monopolies stink too :(
[02:30] <LaserJock> data collection
[02:30] <LaserJock> all I want to do is finish my PhD
[02:31] <\sh> data collection is a big field :)
[02:31] <\sh> what exactly?
[02:31] <\sh> so...i386 ubuntu mirror is on my server finally
[02:31] <\sh> now for the samba mount :)
[02:31] <LaserJock> I'm just getting data of an oscillascope via GPIB
[02:32] <\sh> hmmmm..no serial connection? :)
[02:32] <LaserJock> heh, no
[02:33] <LaserJock> so I'm looking at either making a python GUI that uses linux-gpib driver (which may or may not work) or buying LabView
[02:33] <\sh> strance osci :)
[02:33] <\sh> use python :)
[02:33] <LaserJock> I'd like too, but I have to justify the time it would take me to do it to my boss
[02:34] <LaserJock> It'd take me > $1000 worth of time to write the program
[02:35] <LaserJock> but I sooo want to do it in Python and avoid National Instruments
[02:35] <[Chameleon] > if it's something usable that could be sold, your company may be far more interested
[02:36] <\sh> if your boss will spend the 1k USD buy the programm
[02:37] <theCore> LaserJock: why Python?
[02:37] <LaserJock> because Python rules the world!
[02:37] <[Chameleon] > :)
[02:37] <LaserJock> and the only other language I know is FORTRAN
[02:37] <theCore> LaserJock: from a restricted point of view, yes
[02:38] <theCore> LaserJock: eh
[02:38] <theCore> LaserJock: I see now why Python rule from your point of view ;)
[02:39] <LaserJock> we have a program right now (written in C) that sort of works, but it is really buggy
[02:39] <LaserJock> if I could recycle some of that it might go faster
[02:40] <LaserJock> ncurses+pgplot just isn't working for me right now, especially when it freezes half way through a 2 hr data run
[02:42] <LaserJock> but I would think there would already be linux apps out there already for this sort of thing
[02:42] <LaserJock> I might just be looking for the wrong thing
[02:47] <zul> heylo
[02:48] <bddebian> Hello again zul
[02:48] <zul> you are always here bddebian
[02:48] <bddebian> Yep, I live here :-)
[02:48] <zul> hehe...
[02:49] <zul> did you make your bed this morning then
[02:54] <\sh> hey hobbsee
[02:54] <Hobbsee> oh hi \sh - long time no see
[02:54] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[02:54] <\sh> yeah
[03:01] <zul> hey \sh
[03:03] <tseng> hi \sh
[03:03] <\sh> hey zul, tseng :)
[03:03] <\sh> happy easter
[03:03] <tseng> and you
[03:04] <zul> you too
[03:04] <\sh> thought I'm one of the the eastereggs you need to find :)
[03:04] <bddebian> heh
[03:11] <zul> finally they scored..
[03:17] <LaserJock> our cat decided to bring an Easter bunny home today :(
[03:31] <theCore> I get a weird error when I try to build my pbuilder cache, what's the problem?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12366
[03:35] <bddebian> theCore: re-install debboostrap?
[03:36] <\sh__> grmpf
[03:36] <\sh__> shitty disconnect :)
[03:36] <theCore> bddebian: I did, I even taken the package from package.ubuntu.com
[03:38] <bmonty> theCore: have you tried with a different archive?
[03:40] <theCore> bmonty: no
[03:41] <bmonty> theCore: are you using archive.ubuntu.com or a mirror?
[03:41] <theCore> bmonty: I'm using archive.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <tseng> hm does anyone know about FC5 and -fstack-protector
[03:42] <theCore> bmonty: now I'm trying with ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <\sh> thecore: what's wrong?
[03:42] <\sh> tseng: which gcc are they using?
[03:43] <theCore> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12366
[03:43] <bmonty> theCore: I've never had problems with a.u.c, but I have with mirrors
[03:44] <theCore> bmonty: maybe the problem is with my command
[03:44] <bmonty> theCore: have you followed the pbuilder instructions in the wiki?
[03:44] <theCore> sudo pbuilder create --distribution dapper --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse"
[03:44] <theCore> no
[03:45] <theCore> bmonty: I followed the one in the Packaging Guide
[03:45] <bmonty> theCore: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[03:46] <bmonty> ahh, the packaging guide is also a good place to look
[03:46] <theCore> LaserJock: take notes
[03:46] <\sh> thecore: i'm using the rc files for pbuilder stuff...and I'm not providing any big commandline stuff to it...
[03:48] <bmonty> theCore: follow the instructions on the wiki page
[03:48] <theCore> bmonty: ok
[03:49] <bmonty> theCore: if that doesn't work, put the entire output of the pbuilder run in the pastebin
[03:50] <theCore> bmonty: eh
[03:50] <theCore> bmonty: won't help much
[03:51] <theCore> bmonty: ok, I still get an error with ca.a.u.c
[03:57] <bmonty> theCore: same error?
[03:57] <bmonty> and did you follow all the steps on the wiki page?
[03:57] <theCore> bmonty: it haven't finished yet
[04:02] <LaserJock> arggh, reading backlog. I was putting some new flooring in
[04:02] <bmonty> LaserJock: laminate floor?
[04:02] <LaserJock> vinyl tile
[04:02] <bmonty> a little easier :)
[04:03] <LaserJock> have to get it done before the inlaws come down
[04:03] <bmonty> nothing like being properly motivated to finish a project
[04:03] <LaserJock> heh
[04:03] <LaserJock> my wife made me sign a piece of paper that I would get it done ;-)
[04:03] <bmonty> :)
[04:04] <bmonty> my last flooring project had the entire living room and dining room stored in my garage....I was *very* motivated to get it put back together
[04:05] <LaserJock> mhm, I recarpeted the entire house when we first moved in. that was a big project
[04:05] <LaserJock> theCore: any luck.
[04:05] <bmonty> LaserJock: I don't do carpet
[04:05] <LaserJock> I don't want to have to redo the Packaging Guide, again
[04:06] <LaserJock> bmonty: my only comment is, they pay people for a reason ;-)
[04:06] <theCore> didn't work again
[04:06] <bmonty> LaserJock: I think the pbuilder instructions in the packaging guide is a little minimal on pbuilder setup
[04:06] <LaserJock> bmonty: think so?
[04:06] <bmonty> you could probably just reference the pbuilderhowto page
[04:06] <LaserJock> womble was showing me how you don't have to ever mess with pbuilderrc
[04:07] <LaserJock> and it is much simpiler
[04:07] <LaserJock> than the pbuilderhowto wiki page
[04:07] <bmonty> does it work with unauthenticated packages?
[04:08] <LaserJock> fine, I think
[04:08] <theCore> bddebian: so, do you a longer output from pbuilder?
[04:08] <bddebian> theCore: ?
[04:08] <theCore> do you want*
[04:08] <bddebian> theCore: Sorry I've been afk.  Still no luck?
[04:09] <bmonty> theCore: what version of pbuilder are you using?
[04:09] <\sh> LaserJock: actually the best way to work with pbuilder is checking the examples...in /usr/share/pbuilder/examples there is this script pbuider-<distro> script..and this I'm using in a different (tweaked) way...totally easy...you have to setup only one time those rc files and be happy :)
[04:10] <bmonty> brb
[04:11] <theCore> bmonty: 0.145ubuntu4
[04:12] <bmonty> theCore: ok
[04:14] <theCore> should I use cdebootstrap?
[04:17] <bmonty> theCore: it shouldn't matter
[04:25] <LaserJock> \sh: exactly, that is what I did, although in a simpler (no script) way
[04:26] <LaserJock> basically you never have to mess with /etc/pbuilderrc files
[04:26] <\sh> LaserJock: i don't mess with /etc files anyways :)
[04:26] <\sh> i have all my pbuilder stuff in my home :)
[04:26] <\sh> everything but the cache
[04:26] <bddebian> This xmkfmf stuff is making me sick
[04:28] <ajmitch> hi \sh, Hobbsee et al :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[04:28] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:29] <LaserJock> I'll probably redo the pbuilderhowto when I get all the details worked out
[04:29] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[04:30] <ajmitch> \sh: good to see you still around
[04:30] <LaserJock> the /etc/pbuilder/apt.config part seems to mess people up
[04:31] <\sh> laserjock: trying to write something about it on my blog....give me some minutes :)
[04:31] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[04:31] <LaserJock> \sh: cool, thanks
[04:32] <LaserJock> darn it, our cat just brought back the same bunny. :(
[04:32] <LaserJock> not smart
[04:33] <ajmitch> haha
[04:34] <LaserJock> twice in one day. must be she just wants to bring us an easter bunny :/
[04:34] <bmonty> LaserJock: thankfully, my wife's cat doesn't kill bunnies since the bunnies around here would probably kill the cat
[04:35] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, this one is tiny, but our cat just seem to want to bring it to us, not kill it
[04:36] <LaserJock> bmonty: so my wife just lets it out in the front yard
[04:37] <bmonty> LaserJock: I don't know if I'd let him go...I'd probably find him eating stuff out of my garden later :)
[04:38] <LaserJock> heh, it's Nevada, not a lot of gardens around here. We are lucky if we get grass
[04:38] <bmonty> I heard there are towns that are encouraging people to not grow grass to save on water
[04:39] <bmonty> I guess you save on property taxes or something
[04:41] <bddebian> I swear our /etc/X11/config/cf stuff is fucked up
[04:43] <crimsun> bddebian: um, we were waiting for Darren to incorporate the changes for #39507 before uploading...
[04:43] <bddebian> crimsun: ?
[04:43] <crimsun> "Uploaded with attached fix.  Thank you for the report and the Fix."
[04:44] <crimsun> RE: HIG compliant menu entry
[04:44] <crimsun> (gxine)
[04:44] <bddebian> crimsun: Oh, sorry, mdke asked me to do that
[04:44] <bddebian> There wasn't a note on the bug about it was there?
[04:47] <LaserJock> bmonty: I wouldn't doubt it. There are a lot of xeroscapes (no grass, just rock) here.
[04:54] <\sh> oh man...writing a documentation is no fun...I have scripts for all that :)
[05:00] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:00] <LaserJock> \sh: heh, documentation is a lot harder than I would have thought
[05:00] <LaserJock> cya bmonty
[05:02] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu Packaging Guide took what seemed like forever, and quite a bit of the material was from the wiki
[05:06] <\sh> well, as I said, all this stuff is automated on my buildhost...I can even generate a dchroot in a couple of seconds, no matter what distro or arch on my amd64
[05:06] <LaserJock> \sh: yeah, I think for Dapper+1 I'll try to move more in that direction
[05:13] <StevenK> \sh! Long time no see!
[05:13] <ajmitch> afternoon StevenK
[05:14] <Hobbsee> argh!  now i *knew* that was going to happen!
[05:14] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you shouldn't encourage him
[05:14] <StevenK> I don't need encouraging!
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...true
[05:15] <\sh> hey stevenk :)
[05:16] <StevenK> ... or maybe I will.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> not with echidna like spikes...
[05:17] <Hobbsee> you'd get fairly cut up
[05:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: how's it going? (other than getting jumped by StevenK)
[05:18] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: how's school?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: going ok, on holidays from uni at the moment. i've been at work (urgh)
[05:18] <crimsun> yeesh, we're not supposed to condone violence in here ;p
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:19] <StevenK> Async I/O on Windows blows.
[05:21] <Hobbsee_away> lunch.  right after breakfast
[05:22] <StevenK> Isn't that the best time for it?
[05:29] <\sh> ok think i have it finished now :)
[05:29] <\sh> just saving and publishing it :)
[05:30] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/188-How-to-manage-pbuilder-the-sh-way.html
[05:30] <\sh> LaserJock: here you are
[05:30] <LaserJock> \sh: thanks
[05:31] <\sh> well..for me I created some perl scripts which are generating all the other shell scripts and all the files and doing some s/// stuff with it :)
[05:32] <ajmitch> except I have shorter names since I'm lazier ;)
[05:33] <ajmitch> like adbuild for pbuilder build, for dapper amd64 ;)
[05:33] <\sh> well...I have shortcuts for dapper (amd64) dapper-i386 (i386) breezy (amd64) breezy-i386 (i386) etc. :)
[05:34] <\sh> anyways this approachs helps the people to understand when they have to deal with more then one release :)
[05:35] <\sh> I'm just working on building ubuntu cds the kamion way :)
[05:36] <ajmitch> heh
[05:36] <ajmitch> document it, I'll need to do that very soon :)
[05:36] <\sh> grabbed his tla archives for his cdimage scripts and the debian-cd variant of him...
[05:36] <ajmitch> urls?
[05:36] <LaserJock> \sh: is step 4 necessary?
[05:36] <ajmitch> p.u.c/~cjwatson, I guess..
[05:37] <\sh> wiki.ubuntu.com/CdBuildProcess
[05:37] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/archives/colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/
[05:37] <ajmitch> thanks
[05:37] <\sh> and then cdimage and debian-cd categories of his tla archive
[05:37] <\sh> it's all weired...many many things totally hardcoded for the daily cdbuilds :)
[05:39] <\sh> and then, when was it, during the last 2 days ... I found an uvf exception report for updating kio_apt because it has to be adjusted to work with packages.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <\sh> lol...I just checked the source, and I threw up. the who konqui html page is generated statically inside the C++ code..just like Perls CGI stuff
[05:40] <ajmitch> how evil
[05:40] <\sh> ugly ugly
[05:40] <ajmitch> that's just broken
[05:40] <\sh> mu thoughts...I was just starting to code a template modell for different debian based distros with similar pages :)
[05:40] <\sh> s/mu/my/
[05:41] <\sh> so you only have to check which distro it is, which release and read the html template....
[05:45] <LaserJock> ok, it looks like you could take pbuilder-distribution.sh and change DISTRIBUTION
[05:47] <\sh> well...if you have more then one distribution (dapper, breezy, etc.) then the auto determination is quite nice :)
[05:47] <\sh> there are different ways...my scripts are at least a bit different...
[05:47] <\sh> but we want the user to use there muscle between their shoulders, right?
[05:48] <LaserJock> well, I'm just trying to see if steps 4,5 and 6 are neccessary
[05:49] <\sh> if you automate things, yes they are :)
[05:49] <LaserJock> shouldn't pbuilder-distribution.sh take care of everything?
[05:49] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to figure this out once for all
[05:50] <LaserJock> womble seemed to indicate that pbuilder-distribution.sh would be sufficent
[05:51] <\sh> well...no
[05:51] <\sh> you have to substitute distribution in pbuilder-distribution.sh with dapper/breezy etc. and remove the .sh
[05:51] <\sh> after all, I'm doing more...you can directly login into the pbuilder chroot
[05:52] <\sh> compare my script and the example script :)
[05:52] <\sh> I worked on one script which determines as well the arch of the distro for what I want to build a package...
[05:53] <LaserJock> yes, but it doesn't seem like steps 4 & 5 are neccesary
[05:53] <LaserJock> what are they doing?
[05:53] <\sh> they are putting the files inside the ~/pbuilder/ dir
[05:53] <\sh> and not in the /var/cache/pbuilder dir
[05:54] <\sh> as well you have to adjust some things for the apt.conf.d stuff autoupdate should not be enabled etc.
[05:54] <\sh> you have to take care.
[05:54] <\sh> accordingly to the pbuilderhowto wiki page :)
[05:54] <\sh> and for my pbuilder-dapper script I added "pbuilder-dapper login
[05:54] <\sh> "
[05:55] <LaserJock> yes, but from what I've seen none of that is neccesary
[05:55] <LaserJock> the pbuilder login thing is cool
[05:56] <\sh> of course
[05:56] <\sh> you don't want to have dapper-base.tar.gz in /var/cache/pbuilder
[05:56] <\sh> you want to have it in your home
[05:56] <LaserJock> that is done in the script
[05:57] <\sh> right..and pbuilderrc you have more options to check in....
[05:57] <\sh> I have 4 of those files, dapper, breezy, hoary, warty :)
[05:57] <\sh> I can use them for amd64/i386 pbuilder
[05:58] <\sh> etc. and if I need more mirrors or other archives, I just add them to those files
[05:58] <\sh> and some of the mentioned debootstrap options , passed to pbuilder, are not working correctly :)
[05:58] <LaserJock> but why not just use --OTHERMIRROR in the script
[05:59] <\sh> when pbuilder is started with e.g. --debootstrapopts "arch=i386"
[05:59] <\sh> because you don't want to adjust in a script file data which is changeable :)
[06:00] <\sh> in the rc file you can add lots and lots of those entries without messing the script...
[06:00] <\sh> readability :)
[06:01] <LaserJock> hmm, I've just seen people have problems with those steps and I don't need them to make and use pbuilders
[06:01] <\sh> honestly, if the people have problems with those step, they shouldn't use pbuilder at all
[06:02] <\sh> in other words: the rc file is well documented, better then the script...so if they are checking the script, they don't even know what "othermirror" is
[06:03] <\sh> in the rc file it's mentioned
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah, not so much the rc part but the apt config
[06:03] <\sh> well not in mine
[06:04] <\sh> the apt.config part is much different...for this you have to know what apt is doing during normal operation mode, and when it's used in pbuilder or debootstrap
[06:04] <\sh> which means, deeper knowledge
[06:05] <LaserJock> I'll have to test this more
[06:06] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[06:06] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch
[06:07] <ajmitch> welcome back Hobbsee
[06:07] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[06:07] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[06:07] <Yagisan> ajmitch: need to redo my strategy for testing packages with SSP.
[06:08] <Yagisan> G'day Hobbsee, bddebian
[06:08] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[06:08] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so many cruddy makefiles redefining CC and CFLAGS :(
[06:09] <ajmitch> sounds fairly usual
[06:11] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep. I've decided to patch gcc-defaults, build-essential, and make a new esel-builder (like pentium-builder) package, then try to rebuild a couple of core libraries and see how things go
[06:12] <Yagisan> but first, I'll relax a bit but updating the packaging for deng
[06:12] <Yagisan> s/but/by
[06:13] <ajmitch> heh
[06:14] <ajmitch> I see I'm just about up with you for f@h :)
[06:14] <Yagisan> ajmitch: that's not hard. I have just 2 boxes (200MHz, 850Mhz) running it
[06:14] <\sh> hmmm..does anybody have a collection of music from the band "iced earth"...looks like this band is really missing in my collection
[06:14] <Yagisan> s/200Mhz/2000Mhz
[06:15] <ajmitch> yeah, whereas I have 2x2.2GHz amd64 cores, and a 2GHz p-m
[06:15] <Yagisan> ajmitch: feel free to donate one to me ;)
[06:16] <ajmitch> heh :)
[06:16] <ajmitch> a little hard to carve up the amd64
[06:16] <Yagisan> sorry \sh, I've never heard of them.
[06:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch you still have access to a powerpc box ?
[06:17] <\sh> metal rulez da world :)
[06:17] <Yagisan> \sh: ah, as I'm not into that, it isn't a surprise then.
[06:18] <\sh> just found something :)
[06:18] <\sh> 5 cd box...hmmm....btlaunchmanycurses ^^
[06:18] <\sh> oh fck..it's 6:18
[06:18] <\sh> utc+2
[06:20] <\sh> I have to do something....I felt so displaced in the last couple of weeks
[06:21] <Yagisan> \sh: what's up ?
[06:21] <\sh> oh don't ask...I'm just totally fcked up with my life...
[06:22] <\sh> totally personal desaster
[06:22] <\sh> but one thing all this shit is good for...I lost 15kg :)
[06:22] <Yagisan> \sh: don't worry, you'll get through it.
[06:24] <\sh> well....to be honest...I was close to shut everything down...including myself...but there are so many good people in this world, I got so many emails and everybody wanted to help me...really I was surprised...
[06:24] <Yagisan> is "Architecture: any (!i386) valid in a control file ?
[06:25] <\sh> and one gut especially...I'll have an interview on tuesday
[06:25] <bddebian> Isn't it [!i386]  ?
[06:25] <bddebian> \sh: Great
[06:25] <Yagisan> \sh: I'm not really sure what is wrong with you, I just saw the emails you sent, and wanted to know if you are ok ?
[06:25] <Yagisan> bddebian: ah, thanks. so it was a typo
[06:26] <bddebian> Yagisan: I'm used to typing [!hurd-i386]  ;-P
[06:27] <\sh> short version: I quite my job, cause I was burned out...then I took another freelance job for one week, earned some money, paid my bills for january and february, after then no new jobs...so I didn't have any money, couldn't buy anything to eat or drink, and felt down in my life...I didn't pay my rent for 2 months now, need to pay the car and phones etc. but without no money it's not possible..I went to all offices here in germany to get hel
[06:27] <\sh> old company, so i'm stucked.
[06:28] <\sh> and the last 1 1/2 weeks I wasn't eating at all, I felt like dieing.
[06:28] <\sh> so I took precautions...
[06:29] <\sh> the result, i gave up main/universe upload rights, tried to find other people who can take care about some services running on my server, etc. but suddenly there was one guy who helped me out a bit...and pulled me out of my situation, for now...and hopefully forever
[06:30] <\sh> I'm looking forward to tuesday...if this works out, great, if not....THEN I have really problems :)
[06:30] <Yagisan> \sh: I understand, I've been in a similar situation, it all looks like shit at the moment, but it will get better, even if you end up doing stuff you'd rather not for a short while
[06:31] <\sh> well..it's shit when you would get money from the state, which I paid for quite some time (15 years now) and they can't give you anything because of one piece of paper
[06:32] <\sh> this is really pissing you off...and you can't call those people, because the phone is dead.
[06:32] <\sh> my ex is coming with a lawyer wants to have money which I don't have...etc. it's really depressing...
[06:33] <\sh> I worked for a while at a gas station as nightshift :( 15 eur per 12h
[06:33] <\sh> without a tax card...that's why....
[06:36] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:36] <Yagisan> \sh: 15 euro for 12 hours work ??
[06:36] <\sh> yes
[06:36] <\sh> slave work
[06:37] <\sh> actually I could buy food at this time
[06:37] <Yagisan> \sh:  thats fucking unbelievable
[06:39] <\sh> believe me, when you need something to eat, you do anything...
[06:39] <\sh> oh is kenny duffus on irc?
[06:40] <ajmitch> never heard of him
[06:40] <\sh> the guy behind "Behind Ubuntu
[06:40] <\sh> he spend 10 euros this morning :)
[06:40] <ajmitch> IRC: seaLne  on network irc.freenode.net
[06:40] <ajmitch> looks to be in #u-bugs
[06:42] <\sh> when I send the mail yesterday morning to u-m not quite 1 hour later paypal triggert "you have something incoming" :)
[06:42] <Yagisan> \sh: oh, I know that. There was a time when I didn't have a home to live in, so I do feel your pain.
[06:42] <ajmitch> \sh: but it's all in german :)
[06:43] <\sh> ajmitch: what? did I wrote in german?
[06:43] <\sh> lol
[06:43] <ajmitch> no, the paypal page
[06:43] <\sh> hmm....
[06:43] <\sh> I knew there is something wrong
[06:44] <\sh> there is written "spenden" and not "donate" :(
[06:44] <\sh> fck
[06:44] <ajmitch> yeah
[06:44] <ajmitch> and the source has de_DE
[06:45] <\sh> wait....let me see if this can be changed
[06:48] <\sh> create one..it's an advantage :)
[06:49] <\sh> you can pay with CC to an paypal account anyways :)
[06:49] <ajmitch> I know
[06:49] <ajmitch> but it's harder when the page isn't in english :)
[06:52] <\sh> now :)
[06:52] <\sh> it's in english :)
[06:53] <ajmitch> ok :)
[06:53] <ajmitch> much easier for us dim-witted english speakers :)
[06:53] <\sh> since yesterday night I wasn't even paypal customer :)
[06:54] <\sh> I don't know who brought this idea to me
[06:54] <\sh> one of the motus I think :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> we talked about it here
[06:54] <LaserJock> we were trying to find out the best way to get you help
[06:56] <Yagisan> \sh: I don't think a personal account can receive CC payments
[06:56] <\sh> i don't have a personal
[06:56] <\sh> kenny just used a CC card...and I had to update
[06:56] <bddebian> Well send us the # :-)
[06:57] <\sh> I pay around 63 cent for a 10 eur donation :)
[06:57] <\sh> when it's coming via CC card...anyways
[06:59] <\sh> crimsun: you are crazy...thx
[07:01] <\sh> actually I would like to publish the names on my website...to say thank you...but I don't know if this is ok
[07:02] <Yagisan> any issues registering with paypal ? I don't actually have a CC.
[07:02] <crimsun> ask the senders if they wish to remain anonymous, and if you don't receive a reply, assume they wish to remain anonymous.
[07:03] <\sh> no...in germany it's easy you can pay also via direct debit
[07:05] <\sh> crimsun: any objections?
[07:07] <ajmitch> \sh: hopefully you'll have enough to eat for awhile now :)
[07:07] <bddebian> Goddamnit, I can't remember my paypal password.. grrr
[07:08] <\sh> oh I will send everything back if I don't need it :) or should I donate it to the ubuntu foundation?
[07:08] <crimsun> \sh: I would have preferred anonymity, but it's pretty moot now.
[07:09] <LaserJock> crimsun: I didn't hear anything ;-)
[07:09] <Se7h> hi all
[07:10] <\sh> crimsun: I'm not doing anything :) I just said you are crazy :) for whatever reason :)
[07:19] <\sh> well...for private accounts and upgraded accounts everything is free, you have to pay some fees for the upgraded accounts when you receive money
[07:19] <bddebian> ACK.. WTF
[07:34] <bddebian> Shit it's 1AM, gnight folks
[07:56] <\sh> good luck :)
[07:58] <Yagisan> thanks \sh. My daughter picked a bad time to get sick. Easter long weekend sucks if you actually want to buy something (like food, or medicine)
[07:58] <\sh> yeah same here....
[07:59] <\sh> well...actually I can't go even to a chemist or doctor...no health care in the moment :))
[08:01] <Yagisan> \sh: all least the doctor is covered (he charges the government). the chemist however, will be full price.
[08:01] <Yagisan> s/all/at
[08:01] <\sh> cu later :)
[08:01] <LaserJock> heh, I got excited at the mention of "chemist" then I realized it wasn't my kind of chemist
[08:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sorry, we use slightly different language in this part of the world :)
[08:03] <LaserJock> apparently, I didn't know that
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hmmm...i'd be surprised if there were any chemists open today...
[08:03] <Hobbsee> even the supermarkets arent open today!
[08:07] <ajmitch> there will be some open
[08:07] <ajmitch> since people will need essential stuff
[08:08] <Hobbsee> true...a few...
[08:08] <Hobbsee> maccas was open on friday, and shops down in manly - that was it
[08:08] <Hobbsee> nothing interseting up this end of the world
[08:09] <ajmitch> the main supermarket in town (usually open 24/7) was closed today
[08:09] <ajmitch> I suspect the urgent pharmacy would have had someone on duty though
[08:10] <\sh> it's easter :)
[08:10] <\sh> you don't need a supermarket...just a rabbit :)
[08:15] <Hobbsee> that is true
[08:15] <Hobbsee> \sh: hehe.  and a knife, to remove all the fur :P
[08:16] <\sh> yeah...mjam...tasty...rabbit roast :)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:16] <Hobbsee> ROFL!!!!
[08:18] <pwebrick> hey hows it going everyone
[08:19] <pwebrick> i got a question now one else has been able to answer
[08:20] <pwebrick> whenever i perform sudo i get a setuid must be root error
[08:20] <pwebrick> any suggestions
[08:21] <ajmitch> sounds like you've changed your sudo binary permissions somehow..
[08:22] <pwebrick> is there anyway to change the permissions back
[08:22] <pwebrick> like a file of some sort
[08:22] <ajmitch> yes, but you need to have root privileges to do it :)
[08:22] <\sh> boot into rescue mode
[08:23] <pwebrick> ok i can do that
[08:23] <pwebrick> i can just get into root
[08:24] <pwebrick> what configuration files should i be looking at
[08:26] <\sh>  /usr/bin/sudo first :)
[08:26] <pwebrick> ok is it changing hte file permissions on the file or am i using vi to change something in the file
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know of a place where I could get something like free wiki hosting?
[08:28] <Lathiat> LaserJock: for an OS projet?
[08:28] <ajmitch> pwebrick: changing permissions on the file
[08:28] <pwebrick> laserjock try wikihost.org
[08:28] <pwebrick> ok
[08:28] <pwebrick> changing the permissions
[08:29] <pwebrick> ok
[08:29] <LaserJock> Lathiat: actually, I was just trying to find a place I can put info where I can access it anywhere
[08:29] <Lathiat> LaserJock: ah ok
[08:33] <pwebrick> ok thanks guys i have been trying to solve this problem for days now...
[08:33] <LaserJock> or maybe you guys know of a place where I can put stuff, files, info, etc.
[08:35] <pwebrick> digitaldropbox might be what you are looking for
[08:39] <Hobbsee> ack!!!
[08:39] <ajmitch> well done Hobbsee :)
[08:39] <LaserJock> nice
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:40] <Hobbsee> i got more channels, when i wasnt looking!
[08:40] <\sh> I don't think ubuntu-motu channel is secured anyways :)
[08:41] <Hobbsee> true
[10:08] <Toadstool> heya motus !
[10:25] <zakame> hi ! Happy Easter!
[10:26] <\sh> happy easter to you to zakame
[10:26] <highvoltage> happy easter zakame and \sh
[10:26] <tritium> Happy Easter :)
[10:26] <highvoltage> :)
[10:26] <zakame> \sh!!! highvoltage!!! tritium!!! =)
[10:27] <tritium> Hi \sh, highvoltage, zakame
[10:27] <\sh> hey zakame hows the debian life going? :)
[10:27] <ajmitch> hi
[10:27] <tritium> hi ajmitch
[10:28] <zakame> \sh: I'm taking a breather before diving into  packaging a new CVS package
[10:29] <\sh> wow...what about njam? is it finally in debians archives? :)
[10:29] <zakame> yup, apparently
[10:30] <ajmitch> \sh: why are you still awake? :)
[10:31] <\sh> because of this doomed kamion build cd script :)
[10:32] <ajmitch> heh
[10:32] <ajmitch> going very slowly
[10:34] <\sh> yeah...
[10:34] <\sh> and be careful
[10:35] <\sh> you need the debian-cd archive in the cdimage.no-name-yet.com directory :)
[10:35] <ajmitch> aha
[10:35] <ajmitch> fun
[10:36] <\sh> I'm doing this now...
[10:36] <\sh> debmirror
[10:36] <\sh> only i386
[10:36] <\sh> then getting the other files out of dists and indicies via ncftp
[10:37] <\sh> let's see if this helps
[10:38] <ajmitch> anything would be faster than the crawling it's doing now
[10:40] <tritium> ajmitch: what are you doing?
[10:40] <ajmitch> tritium: grabbing packages via rsync
[10:41] <zakame> wow LP uses some ajax(?) magic now...
[10:41] <\sh> the header?
[10:41] <tritium> ajmitch: yes, but why?
[10:41] <\sh> the navigation bar? i think it's just plain css
[10:41] <zakame> oh
[10:42] <ajmitch> tritium: for work stuff
[10:42] <tritium> ah, ok
[10:42] <ajmitch> zakame: why do you think it's ajaxified?
[10:43] <zakame> ajmitch: heh, I was too numbed with gmails' :/
[10:43] <zakame> hmm, is there something worgn with the source-pkg for digikam?  I couldn't get to dpkg-souce -x it
[12:54] <phanatic> hi people
[01:17] <sivang> slomo_: pingie
[01:51] <alx> hi all
[01:52] <alx> I came here after a while around searching a safe way to use gcc 3.4 on ubuntu
[02:02] <\sh> why 3.4 and not 4.x?
[02:02] <slomo_> sivang: pong
[02:02] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[02:02] <slomo_> siretart: ping
[02:03] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:04] <sivang> slomo_: what's up? did you had time to consider my package more?
[02:04] <sivang> (I only got one bit from you, about changing the version number to native one)
[02:04] <slomo_> sivang: nope not yet... i'll take a look in 10 minutes, don't worry :) but first i need to get a coffee ;)
[02:05] <sivang> slomo_: ofcourse :)
[02:17] <siretart> hey \sh, good to see you around again! :)
[02:17] <siretart> slomo_: pong
[02:18] <\sh> hey siretart :) how's life? :)
[02:18] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[02:19] <siretart> \sh: thanks, I just returned from vienna, had a great week, will do some ubuntu/debian stuff today and tomorrow, and then start with my thesis :)
[02:19] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[02:19] <\sh> siretart: sounds great, I wish you all the luck you need for your thesis :)
[02:20] <siretart> \sh: thank you! :)
[02:22] <slomo_> siretart: we have a problem now ;) marillat uses /usr/lib/codecs instead of /usr/lib/win32 now
[02:23] <siretart> slomo_: hm. what do you suggest? I assume we can move easily as well, no?
[02:24] <slomo_> siretart: and users would have to move their stuff... what does xine in debian currently use? still /usr/lib/win32?
[02:24] <siretart> I think so.
[02:25] <siretart> why did marillat move?
[02:25] <slomo_> ok then let's ignore marillat's weird decisions for now
[02:25] <slomo_> no idea... probably because it doesn't contain only win32 codecs but mac codecs on ppc for example
[02:25] <siretart> perhaps we could ask him why he did that
[02:25] <siretart> hm
[02:26] <siretart> I see
[02:26] <slomo_> but as /usr/lib/win32 is used since ages everywhere it is a great change...
[02:26] <siretart> I think moving wouldn't be such a great issue, I assume. or is it that painful to adjust xine?
[02:27] <slomo_> it's not painful to adjust anything... it's just a path :)
[02:27] <slomo_> but users have their codecs in /usr/lib/win32
[02:27] <slomo_> and one million packages expect it there atm
[02:28] <siretart> hm. then let's ignore marillat for dapper, and reconsider for edgy
[02:28] <slomo_> ok
[02:29] <slomo_> i had a bug in debian on one of my packages because of that yesterday... that's why i know it ;)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> edgy?
[02:30] <phanatic> Hobbsee: dapper+1 i suppose :)
[02:31] <siretart> it isn't official at all, I think
[02:31] <Hobbsee> phanatic: i realise that, i didnt know it was announced though...
[02:31] <siretart> it was at the day the new release date for dapper was discussed
[02:31] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[02:31] <Hobbsee> wonder why i didnt see it then
[02:31] <tseng> it would be nice if launchpad would ignore quoted text when i reply to bugmail
[02:31] <siretart> some people refered to dapper+1 as 'edgy elephant'. no idea if dapper+1 will really be called like that
[02:32] <tseng> siretart: it will
[02:32] <siretart> tseng: ah, nice to hear. but I think a mail to u-d-a is still pending, isn't it?
[02:33] <tseng> beats me
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh ok
[02:33] <tseng> it doesnt seem like a big deal
[02:34] <tseng> its our 5th naming :)
[02:37] <slomo_> sivang: ok now to your package :) we already discussed the version number... please change it ;)
[02:39] <siretart> gnarf. qt 4.1.2 is annoying me: after about 2h building, it ftbfs with an gcc ICE :(
[02:40] <slomo_> that's the joy of c++ :)
[02:40] <siretart> perhaps it needs more diskspace to build
[02:41] <siretart> I tried that on lvm snapshots with size of 1g. perhaps it needs more
[02:41] <slomo_> sivang: wrong distribution... use dapper instead of unstable in debian/changelog
[02:43] <slomo_> sivang: no need to add you to uploaders and maintainer... uploaders is for co-maintainers, just delete the uploaders line in debian/control
[02:48] <sivang> slomo_: noted, noted and noted. :)
[02:49] <slomo_> sivang: debhelper must be in build-depends, not build-depends-indep
[02:49] <slomo_> sivang: build-depends must include everything needed for the clean and binary-arch rule
[02:51] <slomo_> sivang: debian/copyright is too vague... you have to include the 3-paragraph boilerplate for the gpl... look at $random-gpl-package for example :)
[02:52] <Yagisan> re
[02:52] <sivang> slomo_: what is the real meaning of build-depends-indep ?
[02:53] <slomo_> sivang: needed stuff to call the binary-indep rule
[02:53] <slomo_> sivang: and you should convert you debian/rules to use the binary-indep rule, not binary-arch as your stuff is arch indep
[02:54] <sivang> slomo_: well, I actually hoped for less problems :) This is almost an exact copy of gdebi debian packaging by mvo :)
[02:54] <sivang> slomo_: minus the things I changed to suite HUB
[02:55] <slomo_> sivang: and better make your debian/rules cleaner :) the commented out dh_* calls are not needed etc ;)
[02:55] <sivang> slomo_: if you have any more, please say now, I Want to do that in one sweep.
[02:55] <slomo_> mvo's gdebi package has the same problems btw ;)
[02:56] <slomo_> hm, fix those points and then i take another look :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> siretart: ping ? May I ask you for a ufve review ?
[02:57] <sivang> slomo_: many thanks! I'm greatful, will attend to those now.
[02:58] <sivang> slomo_: btw, how do you say "this may wreck havoc on your system, and blow up your mind" notice to people won't try to hunt you down if it destroys there system?
[02:58] <sivang> slomo_: or, where do you put the notice?
[02:58] <sivang> (I know this is part of the gpl implicitly, but..)
[02:58] <siretart> Tonio_: just file the bug, you'll need us all 3 to respond to your request. what's the bugno?
[02:58] <Tonio_> siretart: bug already sent ;)
[02:58] <\sh> re
[02:59] <siretart> wb \sh
[02:59] <Tonio_> siretart: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/39516
[02:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39516 in yakuake "UVF exception request : 2.7.3 -> 2.7.5" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[02:59] <Tonio_> Ubugtu: hehe
[03:00] <slomo_> sivang: put it in the package's long description :)
[03:01] <sivang> slomo_: wouldn't that make it a bit of a turn of for people wanting to test it ? :)
[03:01] <sivang> slomo_: I just need a cover up, but I do want to wide testing :)
[03:02] <slomo_> sivang: then don't add the notice at all :P
[03:02] <slomo_> sivang: or put it into your program for the first start
[03:02] <slomo_> sivang: only saying that this is beta software and was not tested extensively and could kill your kittens ;)
[03:03] <sivang> slomo_: hehe
[03:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:06] <siretart> heyho bddebian
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[03:07] <slomo_> sivang: tell me when you have a new version... and really make it 0.0.1 :)
[03:09] <sivang> slomo_: sure, working on all your comments now.
[03:09] <bddebian> Oh yeah it FTBFS's for me :)
[03:10] <slomo_> sivang: and you could forward them to mvo too ;) i guess he didn't had enough time to make a clean package and only wanted something working for now
[03:10] <sivang> slomo_: I guess so :) But I'm thankful for him even making such a nice and easy to derive upon skelaton of a python package :)
[03:10] <jpatrick> can someone look at Malone #39688 ?
[03:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39688 in kbfx "UVF: kbfx 0.4.9" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39688
[03:11] <sivang> slomo_: I would have been lost if I tried to derive on another package, although I had to add some bits of my on, like MANIFEST.in file etc
[03:13] <Toadstool> hi all, happy Easter :)
[03:13] <jpatrick> hi Toadstool, and happy Easter to you too
[03:15] <Toadstool> is there any IPv6 guru here? I've a packaging question :)
[03:16] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Ok guess this is the right place!
[03:16] <tuxmaniac> I am packaging XCircuit 3.4 and would like to know certain details
[03:18] <Toadstool> tuxmaniac: go ahead, I'm sure someone will help you ;)
[03:18] <tuxmaniac> while packaging can I use the control file of the previous versions?
[03:18] <tuxmaniac> this is not a XCircuit specific question. But packaging in general
[03:18] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: this is upgrading the xcircuit package?
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> Ubuntu has XCircuit 3.1 on its repos and even debian has the same.. but XCircuit 3.4 is the latest..
[03:19] <tuxmaniac> Yes
[03:19] <Toadstool> yeah well, when I package a new upstream version I use the same debian dir and update some files such as debian/changelog
[03:20] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee: yes
[03:20] <bddebian> Ahh, tuxmaniac == Aanijhan? :-)
[03:20] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Yipeeee
[03:21] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12378
[03:22] <Hobbsee> that's how to upgrade packages...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> of course, kmymoney2 is not xcircuit, but the same thing applies
[03:23] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee: Thanks.. Am reading thru it. Think I will put it up as some article and give credits to you?
[03:24] <jpatrick> Hobbsee, tuxmaniac: or use uupdate
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i'd say that there's a more eloquent version of what to do around there somewhere.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: yes, that evil thing.  it borked when i tried it...
[03:24] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee: Then the Ubuntu packaging Guide does not have these details?
[03:24] <jpatrick> should do
[03:24] <jpatrick> I wrote that bit
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure if it does or not - but it should
[03:24] <Hobbsee> oh goody!
[03:25] <jpatrick> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-updating.html
[03:25] <jpatrick> I'll write more for Dapper+1
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: that's kinda confusing, but yeah.  for if you dont need to patch
[03:27] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I didn't write that bit
[03:27] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: It does _not_ have
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:27] <Hobbsee> i thought you said you did
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: I have a few suggesitions
[03:28] <jpatrick> LaserJock did bits too
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: First the guide is great!
[03:28] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:28] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Updating part is very complex for ppl like me to Understand
[03:28] <jpatrick> echo "Update and make easier to understand the bit on updating packages" >> TODO.dapper+1
[03:29] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Oh ok. Danke
[03:30] <jpatrick> no problem :)
[03:57] <tuxmaniac> Hello ppl. When I do a objdump -p /usr/bin/foo1.1 and a objdump -p /usr/bin/foo1.2 piped by a grep NEEDED there are a couple of lib files missing from the list in the new version
[03:57] <tuxmaniac> Does that mean that there is no dependency on that package?
[04:43] <joelbryan> how do I create a .deb package?, should I join the MOTU team first?
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> joelbryan: Hi
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> joelbryan: FHow good are you at packaging?
[04:45] <joelbryan> tuxmaniac: err, I know how to use Makefile.am
[04:46] <tuxmaniac> Read the Debian New Maintainer Guide, Ubuntu Packaging Guide first
[04:46] <tuxmaniac> joelbryan: Which I am also doing! :)
[04:46] <tuxmaniac> joelbryan: doc.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <joelbryan> yes, I will continue to read it. I like to package the software I made
[04:47] <joelbryan> UbuntuLiveChatSupport, UbuntuHomeBackup, SensibleIRCHandler
[04:48] <sivang> slomo_: so version number should change to 0.0.1ubuntu1 ?
[04:48] <sivang> slomo_: ah no, just 0.0.1 for native acutally?
[04:49] <slomo_> 0.0.1
[04:49] <sivang> slomo_: k
[04:49] <slomo_> sivang: you could use the python class of cdbs btw ;)
[04:50] <tuxmaniac> joelbryan: Great!
[04:51] <sivang> slomo_: will it make all my setup.py and rules files a one liner and make me dump all what's there? :)
[04:51] <slomo_> yes
[04:51] <sivang> slomo_: or can I just add it to the existing stuff, as you saw ?
[04:51] <slomo_> sivang: your debian/rules would get down to a few lines... setup.py would be called automatically, etc
[04:52] <slomo_> sivang: only need to b-d (not b-d-i) on cdbs then
[04:59] <ivoks> happy E.
[05:00] <sivang> slomo_: well, for now I'll just fix what is there :-)
[05:00] <sivang> slomo_: cdbs makes me scream ;-)
[05:01] <slomo_> sivang: why?
[05:01] <slomo_> sivang: because it does everything for you? ;)
[05:02] <ivoks> slomo_: thing with libetpan is simple; if new version is uploaded, i'll request UVF for etpan-ng too
[05:02] <ivoks> and i promise, I'll ask no UVFs any more :)
[05:02] <sivang> slomo_: something like that, yes :)
[05:03] <slomo_> ivoks: file one now already so we get everything up at once with no breakage ;)
[05:03] <slomo_> ivoks: and file as many UVF exceptions as you need :P
[05:03] <ivoks> :)
[05:04] <ivoks> ok, but not today :)
[05:04] <ivoks> tomorrow :)
[05:04] <slomo_> ok
[05:04] <slomo_> and then add this as a comment to the libetan bug so siretart and dholbach know it too ;)
[05:04] <slomo_> anyway... bbl :)
[05:04] <ivoks> ok
[05:04] <ivoks> bye
[05:07] <sivang> oh dear, slomo_ left..
[05:17] <sivang> slomo_: ping me when you are back
[05:32] <BlakeRG> Hello world
[05:38] <jpatrick> BlakeRG: hi
[05:38] <bmonty> morning MOTUs
[05:39] <jpatrick> hi to you too bmonty :)
[05:41] <BlakeRG> anyone know why I get a segmentation fault with apt-build, but the same app will recompile with apt-get -b source packagename
[05:43] <BlakeRG> wait I think I see something :)
[05:46] <BlakeRG> nope =(
[06:28] <caleb-> Hello, I put a package named gcin into REVU, but the .dsc file uploaded failed.
[06:28] <caleb-> The .dsc file of gcin showed zero file size.
[06:35] <bmonty> caleb-: the .dsc file looks fine to me
[06:37] <caleb-> bmonty: I want to dput a new .dsc bu failed. :-(
[06:37] <bmonty> caleb-: what is the error message?
[06:38] <caleb-> bmonty: Error '553 Could not create file.' during ftp transfer of gcin_1.1.8-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:38] <caleb-> bmonty: I use dput -f *_source.changes
[06:39] <bmonty> caleb-: hmm, looks like you need help from a REVU admin
[06:39] <caleb-> bmonty: OK, I will mail them. Thank you. :-)
[06:44] <bmonty> caleb-:  check back here in a couple hours and someone will probably be able to help you, sistpoty runs REVU
[06:46] <caleb-> bmonty: OK.
[07:02] <Se7h> whata...need hint
[07:02] <Se7h> usr/bin/fakeroot: debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied
[07:02] <Se7h> debuild: fatal error at line 768:
[07:02] <Se7h> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[08:23] <tuxmaniac> I did a debuild of XCircuit after doing the necessary changes in control, changelog files!! This is the error
[08:24] <tuxmaniac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12387
[08:24] <tuxmaniac> can someone help me out!
[09:20] <slomo_> sivang: pong?
[09:30] <Pupeno> Helo.
[09:30] <Pupeno> If I upgrade a package now, which is on Universe, will it get into Dapper's Universe ?
[09:39] <slomo_> Toadstool: ping?
[09:39] <Toadstool> slomo_: pong
[09:39] <slomo_> Toadstool: we could update zeroconf now :) do you have any changes to the debian package or could we sync?
[09:40] <Toadstool> slomo_: no changes except the policy thing...
[09:40] <Toadstool> +for
[09:40] <slomo_> Toadstool: yeah but i'm not entirely sure about it anymore... it's arguable whether this is a config file or not ;)
[09:41] <Toadstool> indeed :)
[09:41] <Toadstool> well, I think you can sync it then
[09:43] <slomo_> cool... so subscribe ubuntu-archive and add a comment about which version we want to sync from where :)
[09:44] <Toadstool> slomo_: ok, let's go
[09:46] <Pupeno> nobody can answer my question ?
[09:47] <slomo_> Pupeno: maybe... but i don't understand your question :/ what do you mean with upgrading it?
[09:47] <Pupeno> slomo_: take the upstream version, take the deb sources, upgrading the deb sources to the new upstream version, uploading the new version to revu.
[09:48] <slomo_> Pupeno: maybe... but you would have to file a UVF exception to get new upstream versions into dapper at this point (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html)
[09:49] <Pupeno> slomo_: that's why I asked for, this isn't worth any exception, so, there's no hurry; I can take as much time as I want to re-package it.
[09:49] <slomo_> Pupeno: does debian already have the new version?
[09:50] <Pupeno> slomo_: doubt it.
[09:50] <slomo_> which package is it? and which version? :)
[09:52] <Pupeno> lyx, current version 1.3.6, upstream: the new and much improved 1.4.1
[09:52] <Pupeno> slomo_: I am trying to find out if it is in Debian, but with my dial up, packages.debian.org is still loading.
[09:52] <slomo_> http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lyx.html
[09:52] <slomo_> they don't have it yet
[09:53] <slomo_> but they don't seem to be very active at all judging from the numbers of open bugs
[09:59] <Pupeno> not many people use LyX unfortunately.
[10:00] <slomo_> Pupeno: yes... i prefer to use a plain editor and real latex instead of lyx for example ;)
[10:01] <Pupeno> If I use a plain text editor, I tend to use restructured text, it has the advantage of being readable.
[10:01] <Xk2c_> howto to change a .png into a .xpm .png or .svg?
[10:02] <Xk2c_> howto to change a .png into a .xpm or .svg?
[10:02] <Xk2c_> needed for an package icon
[10:03] <slomo_> maybe imagemagick... or gimp if you prefer something with a gui
[10:03] <Xk2c_> ahh thx will look at this
[10:04] <Pupeno> Xk2c_: man convert
[10:04] <Pupeno> to .svg is tricky.
[10:04] <Pupeno> convert can do that, but there is some other very nice software that can do it.
[10:05] <slomo_> converting a bitmap to svg is insane anyway
[10:07] <\sh> good night people
[10:10] <Pupeno> slomo_: not always.
[10:19] <Xk2c_> ic slomo_ so i will add my converted file to the burgreport and asked th op if he can provide it direct
[10:19] <Xk2c_> better quality i think
[10:25] <Xk2c_> oki do folks have a nice day
[10:26] <crimsun> slomo_: plans to merge Tim's patch for the musepack bug to Gst post-Beta?
[10:26] <slomo_> crimsun: we will get it real soon... gst (and -base, -python) are in hard freeze upstream now and seb will update to the new versions as soon as the tarballs are released
[10:27] <slomo_> no need to backport anything
[10:27] <crimsun> slomo_: np, great to read
[10:27] <slomo_> but i'll backport some fixes for plugins-bad ~2 weeks before dapper release when there is no new tarball
[10:28] <crimsun> great :)
[10:28] <slomo_> i have a feeling that we can dump xine, mplayer, vlc and everything non-gst for dapper+1 ;)
[10:29] <crimsun> heh, if only ;)
[10:31] <slomo_> what critical bugs do you have left btw? :)
[10:31] <crimsun> #34831 for starters
[10:31] <crimsun> bug #34831
[10:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34831 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Hardlock of entire system (Dapper Flight 5)" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34831
[10:32] <slomo_> uh :(
[10:33] <slomo_> at least there are possible fixes
[10:34] <slomo_> crimsun: you are our alsa master now? :)
[10:34] <crimsun> I dunno about master...
[10:44] <slomo_> Tonio_: ping?
[10:44] <Tonio_> slomo_: pong
[10:45] <slomo_> Tonio_: is your nm-openvpn package ready for review? :)
[10:45] <Tonio_> slomo_: yup :)
[10:45] <Tonio_> slomo_: you can test them from my test repo also :)
[10:46] <Tonio_> works nicelly here, although it doesn work with p12...
[10:46] <slomo_> p12?
[10:47] <Tonio_> slomo_: container that avoids using 3 files :)
[10:47] <Tonio_> a .p12 file is a container for the key and 2 cert files needed
[10:47] <slomo_> btw, you should coordinate with mbiel as he packages the openvpn stuff for debian ;)
[10:48] <Tonio_> slomo_: I will once the packages are approved :)
[10:48] <slomo_> better do it before... i guess you could've saved much work because he has the packages already finished afaik :P
[10:48] <Tonio_> the vpnc module is uploaded too, but I an't test it, since there is no sisco vpn server I can connect too
[10:49] <slomo_> i could test the vpnc one on tuesday
[10:49] <Tonio_> slomo_: great ;)
[10:49] <Tonio_> slomo_: note that I just polished the packages already submitted to revu
[10:49] <Tonio_> so it didn't take me long :)
[10:50] <slomo_> but it took time for j ;) please really really coordinate with mbiel... i would hate to have bugs in debian that are fixed for us and bugs in ubuntu that are fixed in debian :P
[10:51] <Tonio_> slomo_: true ;) do you know his email address ?
[10:51] <slomo_> Tonio_: please add the versions that are required in configure to debian/control
[10:51] <Tonio_> it is late and my eyes are about to close :)
[10:51] <slomo_> Michael Biebl <biebl@teco.edu>
[10:52] <slomo_> mbiebl, not mbiel ;)
[10:52] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[10:52] <Tonio_> that's why I was unable to find on google hehe
[10:52] <slomo_> he also made the network-manager packages for debian
[10:52] <Tonio_> okay
[10:52] <Tonio_> about the version in debian/control, I'm adding it right now
[10:53] <slomo_> and you guys should really coordinate better... i hate it when the same work is done twice even if i'm not involved ;)
[10:54] <slomo_> Tonio_: do you want all other comments here or in revu?
[10:54] <Tonio_> slomo_: probably revu, as they would help other people too
[10:54] <Tonio_> slomo_: I agree with you concerning coordination yes
[10:54] <Tonio_> that's something I have to work on
[10:56] <slomo_> hm, what about a watch file? :)
[10:57] <slomo_> and there's some copyright missing
[10:57] <slomo_> auth-dialog/gnome-two-password-dialog.c:   Copyright (C) 1999, 2000 Eazel, Inc
[10:57] <slomo_> for example
[10:57] <slomo_> and po/fi.po:# Copyright (C) 2006 Ilkka Tuohela
[10:57] <slomo_> you should add the copyright on a per file basis in debian/copyright
[10:58] <slomo_> and for the "main" copyright holder something like "for everything not explicitely noted below\nCopyright (c) 1234-2345 bla bla"
[10:58] <slomo_> po/vi.po:# Copyright  2006 Gnome i18n Project for Vietnamese.
[10:58] <Tonio_> slomo_: as the stuff was taken from the svn repo, and not officially released at the moment, I don't think a watch file is required
[10:59] <slomo_> ok but then you should use a "normal" svn version as version number
[10:59] <Tonio_> okay concerning the copyrights
[10:59] <slomo_> 0.0.0+svn20060416-0ubuntu1 or something
[10:59] <Tonio_> yep
[11:00] <Tonio_> hum conerning the version, there is no version checking in configure
[11:00] <Tonio_> should I had the ubuntu actual version then ?
[11:00] <slomo_> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(DBUS, dbus-glib-1 >= 0.30)
[11:00] <slomo_> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(NETWORK_MANAGER, NetworkManager >= 0.4.1)
[11:00] <slomo_> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTK, gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6)
[11:00] <Tonio_> damn, I missed it....... okay sorry
[11:01] <slomo_> np :)
[11:01] <slomo_> ok, so now let's build it :)
[11:03] <slomo_> Tonio_: could you fix network-manager-vpnc too and ping me afterwards? i guess the same things apply there too
[11:03] <Tonio_> slomo_: sure :)
[11:04] <slomo_> is nm-kde at the same state as nm-gnome btw?
[11:04] <slomo_> oh
[11:04] <slomo_> womble: network-manager-openvpn: old-fsf-address-in-copyright-file
[11:05] <slomo_> fix it please :)
[11:05] <womble> slomo_: Uhm...
[11:05] <slomo_> womble: oh sorry... xchat's ugly nick completion :(
[11:05] <slomo_> should've been W:
[11:06] <slomo_> Tonio_: ^---
[11:06] <slomo_> Tonio_: and you should consider building with --as-needed... the generated dependencies seem to be a bit verbose :) but i guess the same applies to network-manager too
[11:07] <Tonio_> did I miss the good fsf address ???
[11:07] <Tonio_> damnit, I'm really tired
[11:07] <slomo_> seems like it... i have to ask lintian for the current one too every time :)
[11:08] <slomo_> for the libraries in /usr/lib... in a perfect world they would've been in network-manager's plugin directory instead of /usr/lib :(
[11:09] <slomo_> and are you sure that you want to ship .la and .a files for the library?
[11:11] <slomo_> Tonio_: but i guess that's it :) ping me when you fixed all of them
[11:15] <Tonio_> slomo_: hum... that's quite major change no ?
[11:15] <Tonio_> we can ping redhat to change that, but I'm not sure it'll be accepted ;)
[11:15] <slomo_> yes don't change it but kick redhat for beeing stupid ;)
[11:16] <slomo_> /usr/lib should contain only libs that may be of any use for other programs imho
[11:16] <slomo_> pkglibdir, i.e. /usr/lib/package/ is for "plugins" or private libraries
[11:17] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[11:18] <slomo_> iirc this is also definend in the FHS
[11:40] <Tonio_> slomo_: fyi, yes, the kde frontend is the same state than the gnome one
[11:41] <slomo_> ok :)
[11:42] <slomo_> is it the same source package btw? because in pkg-utopia svn there is networkmanager and knetworkmanager
[11:42] <pkern> Where are reasons for main removals logged?
[11:42] <slomo_> nowhere afaik
[11:42] <pkern> |:
[11:42] <crimsun> removals or demotions?
[11:42] <pkern> demotions
[11:43] <slomo_> things get demoted when nothing depends on it anymore, it's not suitable for main (too unstable etc) or deprecated
[11:43] <crimsun> reasons you'll have to ask kamion (or mdz); you can check anastacia for the simple listing [http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/anastacia.txt] 
[11:44] <siretart> pkern: the general goal is to have only packages covered by seeds in main. the rest is not supposed to be in main
[11:44] <pkern> I know that the dependency was removed. It's just that there are no reasons in the changelog.
[11:44] <Tonio_> slomo_: no, packages are different, since the knetworkmanager is developped externally by suse
[11:44] <siretart> pkern: what package are you currently talking about?
[11:44] <pkern> siretart: gobby
[11:44] <siretart> it is in main at all? interesting..
[11:44] <pkern> siretart: It was.
[11:44] <slomo_> it's in universe now
[11:44] <slomo_> but was in main
[11:45] <siretart> ah
[11:45] <slomo_> and pkern is the maintainer
[11:45] <pkern> siretart: I just don't find a demotion reason.
[11:45] <pkern> slomo_: Just the Debian maintainer.
[11:45] <slomo_> yes
[11:45] <crimsun> I'd ask infinity or kamion later today/tomorrow
[11:45] <slomo_> well, ask mdz or kamion
[11:45] <pkern> I guess I should ask ogra.
[11:46] <crimsun> if he requested the demotion, sure
[11:46] <siretart> pkern: is gobby covered by any seed?
[11:46] <crimsun> it can't be now
[11:46] <pkern> siretart: It was covered by edubuntu-desktop, but was removed from it, so it got demoted.
[11:46] <pkern> It's just that not even googling reveals anything. ;)
[11:47] <crimsun> pkern: try grepping fabio's logs for #ubuntu-devel and #edubuntu
[11:47] <pkern> Not that I care too much, it will enable the howl bindings.
[11:47] <siretart> pkern: ah, I see.
[11:47] <pkern> crimsun: When I find them. :p
[11:47] <Tonio_> slomo_: just uploaded corrected packages to revu
[11:47] <crimsun> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[11:48] <pkern> Thanks
[11:48] <siretart> pkern: if you want it back in edubuntu, then yes, ogra is the right person. if you want it back for ubuntu in general, it should be included to some main seed. but this is a decision of mdz/Kamion
[11:48] <slomo_> Tonio_: ok :) i'll take a look again
[11:49] <pkern> 07:28ogragobbys upstream decided to switch to howl ...
[11:49] <pkern> Bah.
[11:49] <pkern> Kids.
[11:49] <Tonio_> slomo_: hope it is nice now
[11:49] <slomo_> Tonio_: still wrong version :) don't forget you use a svn snapsh0ot
[11:49] <pkern> He didn't even tell me. ):
[11:49] <siretart> pkern: so no chance to use it with avahi?
[11:49] <Tonio_> slomo_: wait for revu to sync ;)
[11:49] <pkern> siretart: I'm currently *developing* native bindings.
[11:49] <Tonio_> slomo_: not up to date at the moment
[11:50] <pkern> siretart: With currently being in these minutes.
[11:50] <pkern> siretart: But it won't go into 0.3.x
[11:50] <slomo_> pkern: ask DanielHaischt on #avahi to port it :) he ported million of apps to avahi already
[11:50] <pkern> siretart: And I wouldn't care if 0.3.x contains Zeroconf, he could just deactivate it.
[11:50] <pkern> slomo_: Well I got into trouble with the port, so thanks for the pointer.
[11:50] <pkern> slomo_: Is this his IRC nick?
[11:51] <slomo_> pkern: or you could ask me as well, i made a port of mt-daapd some time ago
[11:51] <slomo_> pkern: yes
[11:51] <slomo_> pkern: but he's not there atm... probably will be tomorrow again
[11:51] <pkern> slomo_: Well publishing works fine.
[11:51] <pkern> slomo_: I registered the browser, got a valid pointer back, but then I don't receive *any* callback.
[11:52] <Tonio_> slomo_: should be okay now ;)
[11:52] <slomo_> pkern: oh no idea... i only made publishing :) you could also ask sebest in #avahi
[11:53] <pkern> Now there would be the possibility that local services could be supressed, but they couldn't.
[11:53] <slomo_> is gobby written in C?
[11:53] <pkern> slomo_: I asked there half an hour ago, no reply yet.
[11:53] <pkern> slomo_: C++
[11:53] <pkern> slomo_: I've implemented a wrapper around Howl and around Avahi in obby.
[11:54] <slomo_> pkern: hm, you could take a look at rhythmbox' code then
[11:56] <Tonio_> slomo_: did the gnome ubuntu crew looked at listengnome ?
[11:57] <Tonio_> it appears to be really nice according to what my friends using gnome told me
[11:57] <Tonio_> lots of people compare it to amarok :)
[11:58] <slomo_> Tonio_: can you give me a url?
[11:58] <Tonio_> slomo_: http://listengnome.free.fr/
[11:59] <Tonio_> slomo_: screenshots are really nice ;)
[11:59] <slomo_> ah that thing
[11:59] <slomo_> i don't like it at all
[11:59] <Tonio_> ah ?
[11:59] <slomo_> too confusing UI imho :)
[11:59] <Tonio_> hum, looking at the screenshots, it look like amarok, really ;)
[11:59] <slomo_> i mixture of itunes and muine with no thoughts about integrating those two
[12:00] <Tonio_> maybe to close to a kde UI for gnome users ^^
[12:00] <slomo_> maybe ;) i don't like amarok for the same reasons :P
[12:00] <pkern> Back ):
[12:01] <Tonio_> I love amarok, to be honnest, it is the software that made me switch to kde after one year using xfce ;)
[12:02] <Tonio_> slomo_: revu is up to date now, fyi :)