[12:07] <Tonio_> Lure: packages are on the testing repo
[12:09] <Lure> should we advertise them to people in bugs?
[12:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I think you can ;)
[12:11] <Tonio_> packages may receive only very minor changes now
[12:12] <Lure> do you plan to add pptp too?
[12:15] <Tonio_> hum....
[12:15] <Tonio_> don't know
[12:15] <Tonio_> isn't that going to double the stuff with kppp ?
[12:17] <Tonio_> Lure: and is knetworkmanager able to handle that ? since it is designed to use the yast ppp features
[12:17] <Lure> good question... but not much of code anyway in knm, so I suspect it depends on n-m
[12:18] <Tonio_> Lure: I think both ubuntu and kubuntu have good softwares to work with ppp/pptp actually
[12:19] <Tonio_> so that can be differed to dapper+1 maybe..
[12:20] <Lure> probably yes, I just wanted to point out as VPN support in n-m is seens as all three of them...
[12:41] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:41] <Lure> good nite
[09:58] <\sh> hmmm..does anyone has a compilable knetworkmanager package? :)
[09:59] <Hobbsee> \sh: what, the one in universe or main?
[09:59] <freeflying> \sh: it's in universe nw 
[09:59] <\sh> knetworkmanager cant be installed
[10:00] <Hobbsee> network-manager-kde
[10:00] <\sh> grmpf
[10:00] <\sh> what a name
[10:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:01] <Hobbsee> to fit in with network-manager-gnome
[10:01] <Hobbsee> confusing though
[10:02] <\sh> well...the naming scheme is useless, when the programm is named knetworkmanager
[10:02] <Hobbsee> true
[10:02] <\sh> well, there should be a meta package with network-manager-kde and the real package knetworkmanager
[10:03] <\sh> which makes more sense in my POV
[10:04] <freeflying> \sh: that's sound well
[10:05] <\sh> I'll file a bug report...
[10:10] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/39842
[10:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39842 in knetworkmanager "Totally useless naming convention" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[10:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping
[10:16] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: see previous stuff - your domain, is it not?
[10:17] <jpatrick> Lure: tried to split the beagle package yesterday; result vritual impossible
[10:17] <Lure> \sh - we just follow Debian on this
[10:18] <\sh> is debian the answer? I don't think so :)
[10:18] <Lure> There are many n-m packages and they all have common n-m prefix
[10:19] <Lure> \sh - Riddell told us to follow debian as much as possible, so we did
[10:19] <\sh> yes, but if you are searching the web, you won't find any network-manager-kde stuff...so the most logical way is apt-get install knetworkmanager :)
[10:19] <Lure> \sh - I will talk with Riddell what to do about
[10:19] <Lure> I have to run now... ;-)
[10:20] <\sh> I know the rationals :) yes...but from a user perspective it's quite better to have a meta package with the original name
[10:27] <kwwii> moin
[10:28] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[10:28] <jpatrick> nice hostname
[10:28] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[10:30] <kwwii> Riddell: did you get my mail with the boot images?
[11:38] <Tonio_> hey all ;)
[11:39] <freeflying> Tonio_: hi
[11:40] <Tonio_> \sh: just read your email concerning knetworkmanager.... I must say your opinion on this is nice ;)
[11:41] <Tonio_> I'm just working on the package on that point
[11:41] <jpatrick> hi
[11:42] <Tonio_> hey jpatrick:)
[11:43] <Riddell> kwwii: yep
[11:44] <\sh> Tonio_: well...I just read about it while I was searching for a kde frontend for network manager, found knetworkmanager, checked revu, tried apt-get install knetworkmanager, no package available...
[11:44] <Tonio_> \sh: that's true :)
[11:45] <\sh> Tonio_: so, from the users perspective, there should be a meta package with the original name of the application, and not with a "oh we have to follow debian and gnome stuff" 
[11:45] <Tonio_> \sh: should work now, fancy looking at the package structure ?
[11:45] <Tonio_> I'm not very used to build transitionnal packages :)
[11:45] <\sh> just an entry in the control file :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> \sh: yes, but anyway, I like people to look at my work before uploading :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> let me pastebin
[11:45] <\sh> btw..the revu package is not buildable in the moment, right?
[11:46] <Tonio_> http://pastebin.com/664641
[11:46] <Tonio_> can you just look at this :)
[11:46] <Tonio_> \sh: the revu package is completly outdated ;)
[11:47] <\sh> jepp...that's it...but the long description should mention the naming convention 
[11:47] <\sh> and it's not a transitional package :)
[11:48] <\sh> more a meta package :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> yup, that's was just to build, I now have to clean descs ;)
[11:50] <Tonio_> Metapackage installing knetworkmanager, designed to fit with the
[11:50] <Tonio_>  network-manager components naming convention
[11:50] <Tonio_> is that better ?
[11:51] <\sh> yepp
[11:51] <\sh> and amarok is somewhat ill and broken arg
[11:52] <\sh> it should reread the asound.conf file every time it's started
[11:52] <\sh> or well, it's the xine engine
[11:52] <Tonio_> \sh: which version ?
[11:53] <\sh> any version:)
[11:53] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:54] <\sh> troubles with the headset...after reboot it's there..when I unplug it, it's not there anymore, so I have to change asoundrc to match new defaults
[11:54] <\sh> or change the xine engine settings in amarok, which I can't because no default card :) which was my headset
[11:55] <Tonio_> weird....
[12:12] <pygi> Tonio_: knetorkmanager deb file? :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> pygi: yes
[12:15] <Tonio_> and network-manager-kde is now a metapackage depending it
[12:15] <Tonio_> much better
[12:15] <pygi> it's not knetorkmanager for sure ) :)
[12:15] <Tonio_> hu ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> where did I do that name error ?
[12:16] <pygi> the list :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> ho !!!
[12:16] <pygi> btw. Happy Easter :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> sorry for this ;) you may have understood by yourself ;)
[12:16] <pygi> yes, I know, just wanted to joke you around :)
[12:16] <Tonio_> pygi: I'm not catholic, but happy easter too ;)
[12:17] <pygi> ah, sorry then Tonio_ :)
[12:19] <Tonio_> pygi: no pb ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> that doesn't prevent me from eating chocolate ;)
[12:19] <Tonio_> but to me easter isn't more than eating chocolate eggs ;)
[12:21] <\sh> thx Tonio_ :) 
[12:21] <Tonio_> \sh: for what ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> knm ?
[12:25] <\sh> Tonio_: for the fastest bugclosing ever :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> \sh: lol :)
[12:26] <pygi> :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> I noticed bogofilter isn't installed by default anymore.......
[12:28] <Tonio_> should we ship it automatically to make it easier for users to configure kmail propperly ?
[12:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: it was under Breezy, huh?
[12:29] <OdyX> Tonio_: I think we should.
[12:29] <Tonio_> OdyX: that's my feeling too :)
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> well I'm going to add a note for the next kubuntu meeting on that point ;)
[12:30] <OdyX> Tonio_: which is planned in 10 days, huh ?
[12:30] <Tonio_> yup
[12:32] <pygi> Tonio_: where do I sign up for the meeting?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> pygi: sign up?  you turn up,,,
[12:32] <Tonio_> pygi: simply come ;)
[12:32] <pygi> will do =P
[12:33] <Tonio_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[12:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: UTC = GMT ?
[12:33] <Tonio_> yup
[12:34] <Tonio_> apt-get moo
[12:34] <pygi> joy, middle of night :P
[12:34] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[12:34] <Tonio_> just discovered this ;)
[12:34] <jpatrick> go greenwich!!!
[12:36] <Tonio_> aptitude moo works too ;)
[12:36] <Tonio_> as aptitude -v moo, aptitu -vv, moo aptitude -vvv moo
[12:36] <Tonio_> they have time for this.......... hehe
[12:37] <OdyX> Tonio_: un lphant qui se fait manger par un serpent ?
[12:37] <OdyX> :D
[12:38] <Tonio_> OdyX: ;)
[12:45] <Tonio_> \sh: I was thinking about file association
[12:45] <Tonio_> \sh: actually, the latest package installed is prior to others, and the result is kaffeine opens audio files by default
[12:46] <Tonio_> \sh: do you think I should change this to open them with amarok ? In my opinion that's better
[12:46] <\sh> well, for audio files amarok should be the default
[12:48] <Tonio_> \sh: I'm implementing this in k-d-s
[12:48] <Tonio_> will be done in 15 minutes
[12:49] <Tonio_> \sh: the problem is that package is the one on which I spend most of my time, and I can't upload it myself............
[12:49] <\sh> I can't upload it either :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> \sh: sent the debdiff to Riddell, we have to wait for upload now ;)
[01:11] <Tonio_> \sh: any idea who may I ping for main inclusion reports ?
[01:11] <Tonio_> we have lots of them waiting.......
[01:12] <\sh> kamion or mdz :)
[01:12] <freeflying> Tonio_:  seems you'd apply for core-dev 
[01:13] <Tonio_> freeflying: I'm wau too light for this :)
[01:13] <Tonio_> way
[01:13] <Tonio_> freeflying: depends who is managing the meeting ;)
[01:13] <freeflying> hehe
[01:14] <Tonio_> freeflying: for example raphink didn't have mdz to face him when he subscribed ;)
[01:14] <Tonio_> freeflying: but as far as I know, when mdz is there.............. it is not really easy ;)
[01:14] <freeflying> Tonio_: :)
[01:14] <Tonio_> I would be ridiculous ;)
[01:14] <Tonio_> \sh: isn't it ? ;)
[01:15] <Tonio_> \sh: as you did it, you may know better than I do :)
[01:15] <\sh> na it's ok :) mdz is doing the right thing to interview the candidates correctly :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> \sh: I didn't say it wasn't nice ;) I was just saying that I would be ridiculous if I tried ;)
[01:16] <Tonio_> \sh: core-dev required knowledge I don't have, honnestly
[01:16] <freeflying> Tonio_: why don't you have a try , maybe it will be easier 
[01:17] <Tonio_> \sh: unless I have some chance ;) raphink for example didn't have ANY question when he applyed as core-dev ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> freeflying: maybe in a few month, but honnestly, my place is in MOTU actually ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> I am one of the most actives kubuntu-devs
[01:17] <Tonio_> and that's fine ;)
[01:17] <Tonio_> I don't need more
[01:18] <freeflying> Tonio_: kubuntu team need more 
[01:18] <Tonio_> unless there is a real need for new core-devs
[01:18] <Hobbsee> freeflying: that is true.  but not pressure him
[01:18] <Hobbsee> s/not/dont
[01:18] <Tonio_> freeflying: I may ask Riddell(s opinion on this
[01:18] <\sh> Tonio_: then he was lucky that day :)
[01:18] <freeflying> Hobbsee: Tonio_ is the right candidate for kubuntu now 
[01:18] <Tonio_> I think I need to spend a few weeks reading the debian policy and reading docs on debhelper first
[01:19] <Hobbsee> true
[01:19] <Tonio_> my packaging skills are too limited
[01:19] <Tonio_> and I'm not a developper
[01:19] <Tonio_> so if I can't code, I need to at least be a better packager that I am
[01:19] <freeflying> Tonio_:  ++
[01:19] <Tonio_> I contribute a lot, but on easy stuff...
[01:20] <Tonio_> \sh: your opinion ?
[01:20] <freeflying> also kubuntu need more MOTUs
[01:20] <Tonio_> raphink already told me about trying to apply for core-dev
[01:20] <Tonio_> according to him, if he is core-dev, there is no reason I'm not
[01:20] <Tonio_> but honnestly, I may not have the chance he had when he applyede ;)
[01:21] <Tonio_> no Kamion, no mdz, no elmo :)
[01:21] <Tonio_> that will not hapen everyday :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Lure: ping?
[01:21] <Tonio_> freeflying: I agree it needs more motus :)
[01:21] <freeflying> Tonio_: just have a try
[01:22] <Tonio_> freeflying: maybe in 3 month......
[01:22] <Tonio_> I will then have no job, and time to prepare for this
[01:22] <Tonio_> but I don't want to bet on chance and saying "I hope kamion and mdz will not be there"
[01:22] <Tonio_> if I do it, I wanna be ready for this ;)
[01:23] <Tonio_> I took my time to become member, and same for motu :)
[01:23] <freeflying> heh, I apply twice , then got approved 
[01:24] <Tonio_> I was approved first time, but that was special :)
[01:24] <Tonio_> for example for motu, I had a hudge package list, that helped
[01:25] <Tonio_> I would prefer kubuntu to get more motus than another coredev ;)
[01:25] <Tonio_> that's prior in my opinion
[01:25] <freeflying> also core-dev
[01:26] <Tonio_> there are 2 actually. should be enough till dapper is out
[01:26] <Tonio_> then we'll see ;)
[01:26] <Tonio_> _Sime: ping ?
[01:26] <freeflying> when will beta out ?
[01:27] <Tonio_> freeflying: wendesday or thursday
[01:27] <freeflying> I'd have a test on ppc
[01:29] <Tonio_> freeflying: are you motu ?
[01:29] <freeflying> Tonio_: ya
[01:30] <Tonio_> cool ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> though you were still a member only
[01:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: "member only" ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> OdyX: ubuntu member
[01:32] <Tonio_> first grade when motu is another one ;)
[01:32] <OdyX> Tonio_: possible to be Ubuntu member without being MOTU ?
[01:32] <Tonio_> you need to be a member to become a motu
[01:32] <OdyX> OK...
[01:32] <Tonio_> and you need to be a motu to become a core-dev
[01:32] <Tonio_> which is the higher grade
[01:32] <OdyX> had not understood it like that...
[01:33] <OdyX> OK.
[01:33] <Tonio_> and which those guys force myself to try to apply ^^ ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: why ?
[01:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: you are member, aren't ya ?
[01:33] <Tm_T> Hobbsee <3
[01:33] <Tm_T> whops
[01:33] <Tonio_> OdyX: I'm a mamber, a motu and a kubuntu-dev
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i still have problems with the packages - undersatnding shlib depends and all that...and working more with debhelper, etc
[01:33] <Tonio_> but not a core-dev
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: god...
[01:34] <Tonio_> OdyX: you can check launchpad people's page to see the groups they are members of
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: :D
[01:34] <OdyX> Tonio_: OK
[01:34] <Tm_T> hm
[01:34] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/people/tonio
[01:34] <Tonio_> here is my page for example ;)
[01:34] <Tm_T> I'm member of nothing?
[01:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: You should have some more Karma ...
[01:35] <Tm_T> hehe
[01:35] <Tm_T> https://launchpad.net/people/jussi-kekkonen
[01:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: well, karma doesn't mean anything
[01:36] <Tm_T> look, I'm very active ;)
[01:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know.. perfectly well..
[01:36] <OdyX> :D
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: now that really doesnt seem right - the karma, that is
[01:36] <Tonio_> a bug comment brings lots of karma, when a package doesn't.......
[01:36] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/people/tonio/+packages
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: check out mine versus yours - that's nuts...
[01:36] <Tonio_> this, for example, didn't bring me any karma point ;)
[01:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know... raphink ever showed me that
[01:36] <Hobbsee> you ought to have way more than i do...
[01:37] <Tonio_> the best way to get more karma is making translation still, which is of course important, but can't be compared to packaging, since is can be done way faster and easier
[01:37] <Hobbsee> that's true
[01:37] <OdyX> Tonio_: bug tracking gives a lot too...
[01:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: look at raphink's page........ he has a nice collection too :)
[01:37] <Tonio_> OdyX: yes, true ;)
[01:37] <Tonio_> just that they really should give points for packaging stuff ;)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> and so he should
[01:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: but raphink creates "artifical groups" :D
[01:38] <Hobbsee> !!!
[01:38] <Tonio_> OdyX: hehe
[01:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: like translation team in papamiento...
[01:38] <OdyX> :D
[01:38] <freeflying> I wonder anyone here wanna apply for motu
[01:38] <OdyX> I don't mean it is unuseful... but pretty fin
[01:38] <OdyX> s/fin/fun
[01:39] <OdyX> freeflying: I would, but in two years, after lot of learning
[01:39] <Tonio_> freeflying: Hobbsee should in my opinion
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no way, not yet...
[01:39] <freeflying> OdyX: two years is quite long 
[01:39] <Hobbsee> that's why i wasnt going for  membership for a while - didnt know how much i'd be able to contribute
[01:40] <Tonio_> OdyX: member doesn't require much stuff
[01:40] <Tonio_> OdyX: nice contribution is enough
[01:40] <OdyX> freeflying: I just don't know were to begin.. I want to learn, but don't know how
[01:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee: actrually, you've contributed  lots
[01:40] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, i was away just before UVF hit, so i lost a couple of weeks then...and there's not much point packaging now
[01:40] <Hobbsee> freeflying: yes, but not packaging wise
[01:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I actually upload at least 2 PACKAGE PER DAY ;)
[01:40] <freeflying> OdyX: everyone here would like help you  also #ubuntu-motu 
[01:40] <Tonio_> oups sorry
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:41] <Tonio_> bug correction, uvf exceptions etc...... there is so much to do
[01:41] <OdyX> Tonio_: I know there's a lot... but don't feel having capabilities...
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hard to know what to do though - and a lot of bugs i've set to need info, and no one comes back with hnfo...
[01:41] <OdyX> s/capa.../habilities..
[01:41] <Hobbsee> *info
[01:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but to upload a new ubuntu version of a package, it is required to be a motu....... here is the issue ;)
[01:42] <OdyX> Hobbsee: I even reported much but not getting feedback... 
[01:42] <Hobbsee> mind you, there's a lovely list of bugs in kdebase, which needs looking iat
[01:42] <Hobbsee> *at
[01:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: ask Riddell the abilities I had when I started contributing one year ago......... it was ridiculous
[01:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: You're just Window's king...
[01:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: how do you know that ? :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> yes, my mastering isn't on linux still, but on windows :)
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: I'm HoPHP... Dolphins... you know...
[01:43] <OdyX> XD
[01:43] <Tonio_> OdyX: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that is true.  and i'm kinda happy having other people check what i do
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: changed nick.
[01:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: that one is better, though :D
[01:43] <Tonio_> so yes, I know windows way better than linux........; drives me nuts sometimes.........
[01:44] <OdyX> Tonio_: like spending whole life on proprietary stuff ?
[01:44] <OdyX> :D
[01:45] <Tonio_> not hole life, but well.... I learned informatics in a microsoft learning center for 2 years.......... that helps ;)
[01:45] <Tonio_> then I worked as a junior sysadmin, and then senior
[01:45] <Tonio_> so it'll take time before my linux knowledge reach the same level
[01:46] <OdyX> Tonio_: but your's even better than mine
[01:46] <Tonio_> OdyX: not sure :)
[01:46] <OdyX> Tonio_: you package, I don't...
[01:47] <Tonio_> OdyX: doesn't mean you don't know the system better than I do for example ;)
[01:47] <OdyX> Tonio_: sure :D
[01:48] <Tonio_> heher
[01:48] <Tonio_> time to eat ;) seya
[01:48] <OdyX> Seeya
[02:18] <caleb-> freeflying: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2286 # gcin uploaded with comments
[02:21] <Tonio_> caleb-: I'll revu this afternoon
[02:21] <caleb-> Tonio_: Thank you. :-)
[02:22] <Tonio_> caleb-: no pb ;)
[02:22] <freeflying> caleb-: how about using a .desktopfile instead if menu ?
[02:23] <caleb-> freeflying: upstream has desktop file in /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets
[02:23] <Tonio_> caleb-: shouldn't it be /usr/share/applications/kde
[02:23] <Tonio_> ?
[02:24] <freeflying> caleb-: then we needn't provide menu 
[02:24] <caleb-> Tonio_: oops...It is different between Debian and Ubuntu?
[02:25] <Tonio_> caleb-: well.... to me kde apps have to sit in /kde/ folder......
[02:25] <Tonio_> sounds logic
[02:25] <freeflying> caleb-: and why add locels to Suggests
[02:25] <Tonio_> isn't that a kde application ? (I didn't look at the sources...)
[02:25] <caleb-> Tonio_: gcin is not kde apps...
[02:25] <Tonio_> caleb-: sorry then ;)
[02:26] <caleb-> freeflying: upstream has menus...should I remove them?
[02:26] <OdyX> Hey people... Does somebody know WHY ON HELL we do have to translate Koffice again in Launchpad ?
[02:26] <freeflying> caleb-: you use part of long description in short section 
[02:26] <caleb-> freeflying: Uh...xcin suggests locales...so...
[02:26] <Tm_T> OdyX: wtf
[02:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: take a look here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/koffice/+pots/koffice/fr/+translate?show=untranslated
[02:27] <OdyX> 813 missing..
[02:27] <Tm_T> OdyX: no, not wtf for that, wtf that red, flashy text
[02:27] <Tm_T> OdyX: what did you think of doing that
[02:27] <Tonio_> OdyX: looks like the actual translations aren't imported correctly.......
[02:27] <Tm_T> oh why you burn my eyes?!
[02:27] <OdyX> Tm_T: angry.. :D (did not appear on my Konvi)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tm_T: sorry for that. Won't make it again.
[02:28] <freeflying> caleb-: besides these , nice to me 
[02:28] <Tm_T> OdyX: please never do that again
[02:28] <Tm_T> ok
[02:28] <OdyX> Tm_T: registered Chef.
[02:28] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: so what? should I upload *.po's from kde's svn ?
[02:28] <Tm_T> =)
[02:28] <OdyX> Tonio_: or wait for...
[02:28] <Tm_T> OdyX: wait for revolution in france
[02:30] <OdyX> Tm_T: this doesn't touch me any... I'm no french. :D
[02:30] <Tonio_> OdyX: probably wait for kde implmentation in launchpad gets better ;)
[02:30] <Tonio_> it is on the way
[02:30] <Tm_T> OdyX: again colours... please
[02:30] <OdyX> Tm_T: cannot play with you ?
[02:30] <OdyX> :D
[02:30] <Tm_T> OdyX: people get killed for less
[02:30] <OdyX> Tonio_: I asked in #launchpad, but no answer...
[02:31] <OdyX> Tm_T: s/killed/kicked ?
[02:31] <sebas> OdyX: There might be people reading this who do not see very well.
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: killed
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: I prefer large axe
[02:31] <sebas> So you're basically taking away their possibility to reading the text.
[02:31] <Tm_T> OdyX: and no, I don't use sharp end, that would be too easy end... ] ;=
[02:32] <OdyX> sebas: hum... argument is OK... but unapplicable here...
[02:32] <sebas> Why?
[02:32] <sebas> Did you make sure not badly-sighted people are on IRC? :P
[02:32] <OdyX> because it is (or should be) desactivable...
[02:32] <sebas> Maybe not for clients that have the accessibility features?
[02:33] <sebas> Anyway, it's *very* bad practice.
[02:33] <sebas> And probably the easiest way to annoy people on IRC.
[02:33] <OdyX> sebas: I'm very conscient of that, and made it twice: first generally (did not appear on MY screen) and then just for Tm_T who, afaik has no problems...
[02:34] <OdyX> sebas: anyway... this does not solve my problem of having to translate Koffice
[02:34] <Tm_T> OdyX: has no problems for what?
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: for reading text in red...
[02:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: I do have problems with your use of colours
[02:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and yes, because it was flashing, it was really hard to read
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: do you use Konversation ?
[02:35] <Tm_T> no
[02:35] <OdyX> Tm_T: OK...
[02:35] <freeflying> Tonio_: any comments on gcin?
[02:36] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/colours-01.png
[02:36] <Tm_T> OdyX: look
[02:36] <Tm_T> doesn't look nice
[02:36] <Tm_T> ;(
[02:37] <sebas> Hm, now seeing the screenshot, I didn't even notice the message after "no"
[02:38] <Tm_T> :p
[02:38] <Tm_T> sebas: yeah, you can't see it if you have black background
[02:38] <sebas> I've very dark background, and all text set to pretty light colors.
[02:38] <Tm_T> ugh
[02:38] <Tm_T> I used to have that way
[02:39] <OdyX> as it appeared here: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1563/capture13vo.png
[02:39] <sebas> Ow well, I should just switch my color setup and wait for the next one to do colors. :/
[02:39] <Tm_T> haha
[02:39] <OdyX> Tm_T: I now understand... but as you see... every line with my name is in red, so one word in red did not seem too much...
[02:40] <OdyX> und underlining did not appear...
[02:40] <sebas> Uhm, OdyX The colors *do* get rendered on your screen that way.
[02:40] <Tm_T> OdyX: see? playing with colours is not good idea
[02:40] <sebas> Albeit not the backgrounded ones
[02:40] <Tm_T> hehe
[02:41] <Tm_T> no you can't
[02:41] <Tm_T> :o
[02:41] <Tm_T> oh well
[02:41] <Tm_T> coffee ->
[02:49] <OdyX> Hi again.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> hi OdyX 
[02:50] <Hobbsee> no manual entry for configure...odd...
[02:58] <Tonio_> freeflying: about gcin, I'll revu later
[02:58] <freeflying> Tonio_: rhx
[02:59] <Tonio_> freeflying: my girlfriend just called me, and she'll be there tomorrow
[02:59] <freeflying> Tonio_: it's nice to you heh
[02:59] <Tonio_> if she sees my flat as it is actually, I think I'm gonna get killed.......
[02:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:59] <Tonio_> I need to clean it.........
[02:59] <Hobbsee> she likes clean stuff, hey?
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: she like "normal" stuff
[03:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:00] <Tonio_> but my flat is actually.............. hum.......... any idea of what hell can look like ?
[03:01] <Tonio_> merci copain !!!!!!!
[03:01] <OdyX> :D
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:02] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:02] <OdyX> Hobbsee: geek !!! :D
[03:02] <Hobbsee> OdyX: probably that too - but the reason in particular:  i'm female
[03:02] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:02] <freeflying> Hobbsee: don't you like clean stuff?heh
[03:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying: my mother is a clean freak - each and everytime i cant find something in here, it's cos she's "cleaned" everything...
[03:03] <Hobbsee> it's rather annoying :P
[03:03] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  :)
[03:03] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well... let's use [boy|girl] friend then :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i just thought it was rather...i dunno, weird mood tonight
[03:04] <Hobbsee> trying to figure out enumeration with c++, and it's not really working much
[03:13] <OdyX> Wondering what's the politic for severity in bugs...
[03:14] <OdyX> if I cannot add an event (crash) in korganizer, is it major or normal ?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i thought there was a listing of that...somewhere..
[03:14] <OdyX> Yep... That's my problem.. were...
[03:14] <OdyX> s/were/where
[03:14] <Hobbsee> trying to remember...
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hi robotgeek 
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oh i know where i saw it!
[03:17] <OdyX> so ? :D
[03:17] <Hobbsee> OdyX: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ch05s02.html
[03:17] <Hobbsee> packaging guide :D
[03:17] <Hobbsee> was grabbing the link as i typed here...
[03:17] <OdyX> Thanks !!
[03:18] <OdyX> Well... inability to add an event (even Kubuntu meeting) is normal then ?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> huh?
[03:20] <Hobbsee> what are you trying to add?  and to where?
[03:20] <OdyX> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/39419/
[03:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[03:21] <OdyX> I'm on the way to confirm it...
[03:21] <OdyX> and wondering if I should change some stuff (severity, binary pack', source pack'), for being precise and helpful...
[03:21] <OdyX> what do you think ?
[03:22] <OdyX> Well...
[03:22] <OdyX> made
[03:22] <Hobbsee> i'd leave it as normal...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i'd just change the status.
[03:23] <OdyX> bug 39419
[03:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim korganizer "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39419
[03:23] <Hobbsee> i'm tol dthat you dotn have to assign it to kubuntu-bugs
[03:23] <OdyX> OK...
[03:23] <Hobbsee> yep, nice
[03:23] <Hobbsee> it auto-assigns there - but i dont know...they seem easier to find when assigned there
[03:23] <OdyX> I now do it... because after every bug I submitted... someone came after me and assigned it...
[03:23] <OdyX> so...
[03:23] <OdyX> don't know
[03:24] <Hobbsee> lol...that was probably me :P
[03:24] <Hobbsee> kdepim...i dont think i'm subscribed to that...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> dont think i've ever gone through those bugs either...
[03:25] <OdyX> it was quasi-always Kenny Dufus (from Bug Squad)
[03:25] <OdyX> (double f)
[03:26] <OdyX> So... what is the fastest way to get one bug solved ?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:26] <OdyX> solve it myself... :'(
[03:26] <Hobbsee> OdyX: submit a patch yourself :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:29] <freeflying> anyone can use zeroconf in kubntu
[03:29] <OdyX> freeflying: don't know how... indeed
[03:31] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ewww...looks like lots of lovely bugs...
[03:35] <OdyX> Hobbsee: mine's ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> no, the ones for kdepim
[03:38] <OdyX> Yep... seems pretty buggy
[03:38] <OdyX> (stilll works indeed)
[03:40] <OdyX> which ?
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bug 27369
[03:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27369 in kdenetwork akregator "Akregator crashed" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27369
[03:42] <Hobbsee> well, moved, anywya
[03:43] <Hobbsee> and now i get email notification of it :P
[03:44] <OdyX> fine.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> (it was in the wrong place :P )
[03:45] <Hobbsee> figured sticking all the akregator bugs together was wise...
[03:46] <Lure> Hobbsee: pong
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm...what did i want you for...
[03:47] <Lure> ;-)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i replied to your forum post - about the kpowersave...
[03:47] <Hobbsee> anyone here use kppp?
[03:47] <Tonio_> Lure: I read the mail about the vpnc issue
[03:47] <Tonio_> I must say we would need a bit more details........
[03:48] <Lure> Tonio_: agree - just need to think what to ask...
[03:48] <Tonio_> kitchen is cleaned, toilets too :) now the bathroom........
[03:48] <Tonio_> Lure: details maybe :)
[03:48] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with adept-notifier showing there are updates still available (the red triangle) and then when I click on it adept-notifier tells me there are no updates available?
[03:48] <OdyX> Tonio_: don't forget take coffee mugs from computer.
[03:48] <OdyX> jjesse: I did...
[03:48] <Tonio_> jjesse: I saw that once yes
[03:49] <jjesse> anyone fix it?
[03:49] <Tonio_> generally on reboot
[03:49] <Lure> jjesse: run apt-get update manually and see what it reports - it may be that some package is kept back
[03:50] <jjesse> ah kpowersave have been kept back
[03:50] <OdyX> does anyone else find annoying the new Javascript of Launchpad with Konqui ?
[03:51] <Lure> jjesse: really? which version do you have installed currently?
[03:51] <jjesse> kpowersave: 0.5.2
[03:52] <Lure> jjesse: OK, this one is pretty old - does dist-upgrade works?
[03:53] <jjesse> Lure: that's what i did
[03:55] <OdyX> powersave is NOT working here, according to constant frequency...
[03:55] <OdyX> should be reported ? where ?
[03:56] <Lure> OdyX: what do you mean with "constant frequency"?
[03:56] <Lure> OdyX: bugs should go in Launchpad as with any other package
[03:57] <OdyX> Lure: ksysguard shows me 1695 (1,7 Ghz) instead of ~600 when "powersave" is selected.
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Lure: is knetworkmanager going into main for dapper?
[03:58] <Lure> OdyX: try setting CPUFREQ_CONTROL to "userspace" in /etc/powersave/cpufreq
[03:58] <Lure> Hobbsee: Tonio wrote main inclusion report, but is in the queue for some time
[03:58] <Hobbsee> right, cool
[03:59] <Lure> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKNetworkManager
[04:00] <Lure> Hobbsee: this kdm login issue is really strange - when did you noticed this the first time?
[04:00] <Tm_T> oh boy
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Lure: ah...2 versions ago...
[04:00] <Lure> 2 versions of powersave?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> of kpowersave
[04:01] <Lure> interesting... this mean probably RC version before 0.6.0
[04:01] <Hobbsee> might have only been one, i'm not sure...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> havent really been watching the updates that carefully
[04:01] <Lure> I will look into changelog a bit to understand if there is somethign in area of screensaver/logout
[04:03] <OdyX> jjesse: my adept-notifier is shown even if I have nothing to update
[04:03] <OdyX> Lure: restarted powersaved, but no change...
[04:04] <Lure> OdyX: and cpu freq scaling worked before (w/o powersave)? What kind of CPU do you have?
[04:04] <OdyX> Lure: it did with older version of kpowersave/powersaved && CPU is Pentium M (Centrino)
[04:07] <Lure> OdyX: is "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq" also reporing wrong?
[04:10] <OdyX> No...
[04:10] <OdyX> this one is fine
[04:10] <Hobbsee> yay!  one of the longer standing bugs in kdenetwork got fixed!
[04:11] <OdyX> Hobbsee: # ?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> 19661
[04:11] <Hobbsee> bug 19661
[04:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19661 in kdenetwork kopete "missing build dependency libxss and libxss-dev" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19661
[04:11] <Hobbsee> well, there's a number about auto-away plugin, in various places
[04:11] <Tm_T> hum
[04:11] <Tm_T> auto-away of what? kopete?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yes
[04:13] <Hobbsee> OdyX: means it switches to away when it detects idle, or screensaver
[04:13] <Tm_T> OdyX: it measures your idle time, and if you're idle let's say, 15 min it sets you away
[04:13] <Hobbsee> useful thing
[04:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: hum, what about it?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it's been fixed
[04:13] <OdyX> Hobbsee: isn't that default on Kopetet ?
[04:13] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: true :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: it wasnt before...
[04:14] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: been fixed long time ago =)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> OdyX: yeah...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> well, yeah, on 0.12, but not on 0.11...
[04:14] <Tm_T> true
[04:14] <Tm_T> and I have no idea about 0.11
[04:14] <OdyX> and when is the update planned ?
[04:14] <Tm_T> I've been in 0.12 over half year now
[04:14] <Hobbsee> to 0.12?  dapper+1, i expect
[04:15] <Tm_T> yes, or, in separate kubuntu.org repository maybe
[04:15] <Lure> OdyX: interesting, what about "sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> or that
[04:15] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: 0.12 will be really good release ;)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:16] <OdyX> Lure: works.
[04:16] <Tm_T> that reminds me, have to do something this week so it will be good release =)
[04:16] <Lure> OdyX: and what does kpowersave tell you (if you click on icon)
[04:16] <OdyX> Lure: seems the problem is in ksysguard.
[04:16] <Tm_T> kwwii: moin
[04:16] <Lure> it may be just bug in KSysGuard
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[04:16] <kwwii> moin Tm_T
[04:16] <Tm_T> :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> anyone here use KPPP at all?
[04:17] <OdyX> Lure: correct too
[04:17] <Lure> kwwii: new splash looks ok with me, I just did not have time to package (probably need to wait for Riddell)
[04:17] <OdyX> /me is real bad tester.
[04:17] <kwwii> Lure: cool, thanks for testing it
[04:18] <Lure> OdyX: you will learn... ;-) 
[04:18] <OdyX> Lure: it comes.. :D - So bug is in ksysguard.
[04:18] <Lure> OdyX: probably - not sure how it gets CPU info - maybe just print max (never used that app ;-))
[04:18] <OdyX> Lure: it did take it correctly...
[04:19] <OdyX> Lure: bug 6724
[04:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6724 in kdebase "ksysguard fails to report cpu_freq in dapper" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6724
[04:20] <OdyX> Lure: look at second commentary... The problem is in /proc/cpuinfo - which is buggy.
[04:20] <Lure> OdyX: it is not buggy, just the semantic has changed ;-)
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: OK. Can be considered in that way
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: so ksysguard should be hardly changed.
[04:21] <OdyX> Lure: maybe too late for Dapper ?
[04:22] <Lure> OdyX: probably - we should also submit to upstream I think...
[04:30] <Tonio_> OdyX: be brave..........
[04:30] <Tonio_> bugs.kde.org is the worst bts ever.........
[04:30] <Hobbsee> excellent - another bug fix!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, be very brave for bugs.kde.org!
[04:30] <Hobbsee> it's so slow too!
[04:30] <Lure> ;-)
[04:31] <OdyX> Tonio_: yeah.. I have funny pages:http://bugs.kde.org/simple_search.cgi?id=ksysguard%20cpu&offset=100
[04:31] <OdyX> very useful.
[04:32] <OdyX> damn slow
[04:32] <Tonio_> kde2...........
[04:32] <Tonio_> their search engine is a shame, really.........
[04:33] <Tonio_> can you imagin support.microsoft.com giving you results of windows 3.1 ???
[04:33] <Tonio_> how stupid
[04:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: I can't imagine support.ms.com having a bug tracker.
[04:33] <OdyX> XD
[04:33] <Tonio_> OdyX: hehe
[04:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: do they really ?
[04:33] <OdyX> Tonio_: do you use yakuake ?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> when was kde 3.5.1 released? before december?
[04:35] <OdyX> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php
[04:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: yes I do
[04:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: I have submitted msn file transfer bug in kopete the other day
[04:35] <Hobbsee> good thinking
[04:35] <Tonio_> yakuake is genius :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Lure: yeah, i saw...
[04:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: in fr ? I had it in FR before today's update. Now in english.
[04:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: ah ?
[04:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: I like it very much..
[04:35] <Lure> Hobbsee: didn;t you work on this in past?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> i did, i just cant remember it this second
[04:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: to what I remember it has never been in french????
[04:35] <Tonio_> ...
[04:36] <Tonio_> OdyX: or did you use homebuild ?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> d.k.o says it was november, yeah...
[04:36] <Hobbsee> it certainly wasnt march!
[04:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: hum... OK.... At least "Terminal" changed to "Shell"
[04:36] <Tonio_> OdyX: that doesn't mean language was changed :)
[04:36] <OdyX> so it gives me the impression it is in english... but only term changed.
[04:36] <Tonio_> terminal is english too :)
[04:36] <OdyX> Tonio_: Som
[04:37] <Tonio_> yes it was updated today, I uploaded latest version yesterday
[04:37] <Tonio_> it resolves the "first line" bug
[04:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: yep. Seen
[04:38] <Lure> Tonio_: great - this one was minor but annoying ;-)
[04:38] <OdyX> Tonio_: but shortcuts even changed...
[04:38] <OdyX> Names and shortcuts changed.. Bastante mucho.
[04:40] <Lure> Tonio_: kde print strikes again in bug 33173
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33173 in kdebase "kdeprint can not contact cups" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33173
[04:40] <Lure> :-(
[04:40] <Hobbsee> Lure: again, or is that old?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Lure: that's known
[04:41] <Tonio_> if no solution is found till the release, we are supposed to eventually get back to cups 1.1
[04:41] <Lure> there were some fixes done by Riddell in last days but it seems it is no good...
[04:41] <Lure> pitti found on guy who is changing kde print to new cups interfaces
[04:41] <Lure> s/on/one/
[04:42] <Tonio_> the problem is that new cups version returns an error message when listing an empty printer list
[04:42] <OdyX> well.. it works here...
[04:42] <Tonio_> gnome cups manager avoids the error, and kdeprint shows it
[04:42] <Tonio_> but in any case, the error is there
[04:42] <Tonio_> OdyX: it works cause you have a printer installed :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> remove it and restart kdeprint to see the error message
[04:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: that's it...
[04:42] <OdyX> Tonio_: I had it..
[04:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: in fact, I CANNOT go into root'mode..
[04:43] <Tonio_> OdyX: that's another bug ;)
[04:43] <OdyX> Tonio_: ;)
[04:47] <OdyX> How is it to launch it directly (kcmshell ** ) ?
[04:49] <OdyX> kcmshell printmgr
[04:51] <OdyX> no
[06:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: I just finished yakuake's po translation.
[06:01] <OdyX> Tonio_: where/who should i give/put it ?
[06:08] <OdyX> Tonio_: mailed the dev.
[06:11] <jdong> any chance of a ktorrent svn snapshot?
[06:11] <jdong> I'm playing around with one right now, and it seems more stable than what we got in Dapper
[06:11] <OdyX> jdong: solves the annoying 1024 limit ?
[06:11] <jdong> what annoying 1024 limit is that?
[06:13] <OdyX> jdong: if you have a lot of torrents containing a lot of files (like 6 GiB of Jamendo's free music) shared, Ktorrent 0.12 opens a thread for every file
[06:13] <OdyX> and then complains because it is not able to open more 1024.
[06:13] <jdong> oh, ouch
[06:13] <jdong> let me test
[06:13] <jdong> I believe I saw that happening before with 1.2
[06:13] <OdyX> jamendo.com
[06:13] <OdyX> :D
[06:13] <OdyX> I had no problem with my 0.11
[06:13] <jpatrick> or redhotchilipeppers.com
[06:14] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:14] <OdyX> 0.11 => 1.1
[06:14] <OdyX> jpatrick: they have torrents with Ogg ?
[06:14] <jpatrick> No
[06:14] <OdyX> Jamendo does :D
[06:15] <OdyX> BT or eMule for Ogg q8 or q4 & Mp3 120 kiB
[06:15] <jdong> nope; sadly still too many open files
[06:16] <OdyX> jdong: and a BAD thing with the new version is the fact that "not entirely downloaded" have to be at their final place.
[06:16] <OdyX> I do rather like 1.1 !!!
[06:16] <jdong> yeah; but having DHT and ip filter support is important
[06:17] <OdyX> 1.1 did allow to have a temporary place and then moves/'ln -s' the files to final place...
[06:17] <jdong> otherwise you'll just get the influx going to azureus again
[06:17] <OdyX> which allowed me to download being away with my multimedia-reader.
[06:26] <Tonio_> YEAH !!!
[06:26] <Tonio_> clean appartment
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> I don't believe
[06:27] <Tonio_> Tm_kde4: ???
[06:27] <Tonio_> testing kde4 ? :)
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> you having clean appartment, hah!
[06:27] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[06:27] <Tm_kde4> yeah I am ;)
[06:28] <Tonio_> preview released already ?
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> running irssi in Konsole 3.9.02
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> nope
[06:28] <Tm_kde4> Tonio_: first usable previews will be released around dapper+1
[06:29] <Tonio_> I know, this is why I was a bit astonished reading your nick :)
[06:29] <_Sime> Tonio_: hi,
[06:29] <Tm_kde4> yeah, this konsole is hilarious
[06:29] <Tm_kde4> I can't even select text :p
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: hey ;) did you get my mail ?
[06:30] <_Sime> Tonio_: when???
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: sent you an email last night
[06:30] <Tonio_> _Sime: containing diff to add french to guidance desktop files
[06:32] <Tm_kde4> Tonio_: something fun: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/kopete-05050-01.png
[06:32] <_Sime> Tonio_: found it. in my inbox-suspect.
[06:33] <Tm_T> spam!1
[06:33] <Tonio_> _Sime: grmpf.........
[06:33] <Tonio_> ;)
[06:33] <Tonio_> Tm_T: what is "fun" ?? :)
[06:34] <OdyX> Tm_T: everything transparent, natively ?
[06:34] <Tm_T> Tonio_: well, it looks nice, but unusable
[06:34] <Tonio_> Tm_T: ah ;)
[06:34] <Tm_T> OdyX: no, that "transparent" thing is Kopete 0.12
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and, well, fake transparency
[06:35] <Tonio_> Tm_T: concerning 3D effects, what is kde plans ?
[06:35] <OdyX> Tm_T and the terminal ?
[06:35] <_Sime> Tonio_: cool, I'll put that in. Is Kubuntu also frozen for the beta release?
[06:35] <Tonio_> wait for aiglx ? performing everything software or?
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: terminal is Eterm
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and there's xterm and Konsole too
[06:35] <Tonio_> _Sime: I don't think it is frozen for applications developped for kubuntu, like guidance or adept
[06:35] <Tm_T> OdyX: and no, no "real" transparency at all here
[06:36] <Tm_T> OdyX: don't need it ;)
[06:36] <OdyX> OK. Tm_T
[06:37] <Tm_kde4> bah, problems with Kopete, as usual
[06:38] <OdyX> Tm_kde4: "as usual" ?
[06:41] <Tm_kde4> yeah
[06:41] <Tm_kde4> http://kopete.pastebin.com/665271
[06:42] <Tm_kde4> oh well
[06:42] <Tm_kde4> https is broken anyway
[06:45] <_Sime> Tonio_: i just commited your desktop file changes, thanks.
[06:48] <Tonio_> _Sime: your servant ;)
[06:55] <jpatrick> slave, more likely
[06:58] <OdyX> Canonical claims using free software, no? So what's that? https://launchpad.net/%40%40/dynarch/hmenu.js (totally unreadable, though)
[06:59] <jpatrick> blimey
[07:00] <OdyX> There's a bug into that that provoques Konqueror to switch to every launchpad tab... I'm trying to swim into that, but it's real ***
[07:00] <jpatrick> file a bug on it
[07:00] <OdyX> I did file...
[07:01] <jpatrick> "Completely unreadable code"
[07:01] <OdyX> but Launchpad argue it's Konqueror's bug...
[07:02] <OdyX> bug 39312... If one of you kings have an idea on that...
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39312 in konqueror "BAD tab comportements in Launchpad (and others)" [Normal,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39312
[07:02] <jpatrick> kings?
[07:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: kings = Ubuntu members != me.
[07:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: guru is better ?
[07:03] <jpatrick> i just sit here and help out when I can
[07:05] <OdyX> jpatrick: I do even :D
[07:05] <jpatrick> right now, helping out kubuntu-es.org
[07:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: I'm in Madrid :D
[07:06] <jpatrick> OdyX: can't speak Spanish here... :(
[07:07] <OdyX> jpatrick: well.. I'm no native... Swiss guy in ERASMUS.. 
[07:07] <OdyX> but I can reasonnably well.
[07:08] <jpatrick> Me neither :)
[07:08] <jpatrick> supper time ->
[07:09] <OdyX> Clear
[07:09] <OdyX> !
[07:09] <OdyX> Where are ya '
[07:09] <OdyX> ?
[07:37] <jpatrick> OdyX: Girona, Catalonia
[07:37] <OdyX> Well... Not so near for a beer :D
[07:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: can we write documentation for Dapper+1?
[07:38] <jpatrick> OdyX: too young for beer
[07:38] <OdyX> means ?
[07:38] <jpatrick> que?
[07:38] <OdyX> edad...
[07:38] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yes, the Dapper docs have been branched
[07:38] <jpatrick> LaserJock: woohoo
[07:38] <jpatrick> OdyX: 14
[07:39] <LaserJock> jpatrick: so you can work in trunk now for Dapper+1
[07:39] <jpatrick> LaserJock: course, I will as soon as I've done all this school work
[07:40] <jjesse> jpatrick: what doc will you be working on for dapper +1
[07:40] <LaserJock> heh, yeah. I need to finish my PhD at some point too
[07:40] <jpatrick> jjesse: PackGuide
[07:40] <jpatrick> have to improve the upgrade packages section
[07:41] <jjesse> oh cool
[07:42] <jpatrick> and maybe some kubuntu docs
[07:44] <jpatrick> LaserJock: how do I get it?
[07:44] <jpatrick> bzr branch https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper/ ?
[07:45] <LaserJock> no
[07:45] <LaserJock> svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[08:02] <jpatrick> ok, got it
[08:26] <sredna> Hi
[08:26] <sredna> I get errors from kdeprinter when printing, using the latest dapper packages. Some undefined reference
[08:30] <kwwii> wow, much better
[08:30] <kwwii> oops
[08:30] <kwwii> wrong window
[09:06] <sredna> There was an error loading kdeprint_cups. The diagnostic is:
[09:06] <sredna> /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: Undefined symbol: _ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi
[11:46] <kmon> anyone knows if the new fglrx driver will be included in dapper?
[12:02] <kmon> I've read here: http://compiz.ed3n.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2338#p2338 that the new driver solves problems between kdm and fglrx
[12:02] <kmon> but maybe it's something with compiz enabled in kde...