[12:05] anyway, it could be nice to have a package for ubuntu, since amarok is so popular.... there is no reason listengnome could not fit lots of people awaitings... [12:06] Gobby's just messed. [12:06] lol [12:06] Oh well... [12:07] Tonio_: so package it :) i'm not really interested in packaging it [12:07] Tonio_: but i'll take a look at revu now :) [12:08] slomo_: I have a principle in my life, dedicating my work to kde and kubuntu :) [12:08] that doesn't use QT ;) [12:08] networkmanager-openvpn doesn't use qt :P [12:08] but seriously, I'm not used to pakcage gnome apps at all ;) would be easier for an experimented gnome apps packager to do it :) [12:09] slomo_: true, but that's a component to a qt appliation :) [12:09] that's what I call "a required exception" :p [12:09] Ah bah. The Gobby Ubuntu patch is so messed that nobody could read anything out of it. [12:10] Is there any Ubuntuian way to get the source of the Debian base revision? [12:10] Apart from crawling archive.debian.{org,net} [12:10] pkern: ask ogra what he have done to your package :) === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] slomo_: I think he changed one single line. [12:11] Tonio_: ok, so when we get a package that uses qt and gtk we work together on it ;P well, with avahi i already have one but anyway... [12:12] slomo_: hehe ;) I never met a package using both in the same sources [12:12] slomo_: are there packages like that ? [12:12] I mean, with the same tarball [12:12] Tonio_: Avahi builds both Glib and Qt-related stuff [12:12] Tonio_: avahi and dbus for example [12:12] slomo_: okay ;) [12:14] but really, my knowledge is really too limited at the moment to even think about working on something like dbus :) [12:14] slomo_: you should know I'm using linux since less than 2 years, so..... :) === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] heya [12:18] hi cbx33 [12:18] hi Tonio_ [12:18] Tonio_: well... when i have qt-related avahi questions i'll ask you :) [12:18] howz it all going today === tortho [n=tortho@104.84-49-107.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:19] slomo_: I doubt I could help, but I'll enjoy to try :) [12:20] Tonio_, i know the feeling [12:20] i sometimes feel really useless here [12:20] i can't fix many bugs...at the moment [12:21] I'm a good coder, but not in languages that are used in ubuntu much like python and c [12:21] cbx33: anyway, working on "too hard for us" things is the best way to increase our knowledge [12:21] true [12:21] I'm getting more and more into this. I love helping out the ubuntu project [12:21] wish there were more bugs I could fix :p [12:22] and limited knowledge never prevent me from contributing :) [12:22] it would be great to have a short training in bug fixing [12:22] Tonio_, i agree [12:22] I still do everything I can to help out [12:22] but of course I wasn't doing the same things one year ago than the ones I can work on now :) [12:22] just wish i could do more [12:22] well I've only just started [12:22] like a week ago [12:23] can sound strange, but I did my first website the day I got internet at home === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnoz@h126n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] and I started contributing to ubuntu the day I decided to switch to linux on the desktop, one year ago [12:23] ;) [12:23] wow excellent [12:24] one and a half exactly ;) [12:24] heheh nice [12:24] "png is not a good format to add in an source package (its a binary format)." --> I'm not the only one to find that stupid? [12:24] cassidy, where's the quote from :p [12:24] cbx33: and beleive, it is really hard to help when you just understand what the difference bewteen gtkl and qt is lol [12:24] cbx33: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/rasmol/+bug/39427 [12:24] Malone bug 39427 in rasmol "Package doesn't have an icon" [Normal,Confirmed] [12:25] cassidy: I agree with this === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] I personnaly use an svg file and use an algo to generate pngs during the build [12:25] that's the best way to do [12:25] why? it doesn't change anything [12:25] cassidy: it changes ONE thing [12:26] a source is supposed to "modifyable" [12:26] Tonio_, I agree [12:26] and sorry, but a png isn't modifyable the same way an svg is... [12:26] I don't like debian folders with non docbook files for man [12:26] if the file IS a png file. It's stupid to convert it into xpm to make it png during the build [12:26] like direct .1 files........ they are unmodifyable [12:27] cassidy: in that case yes [12:27] Tonio_: Eh. If they are the source file? roff files are modifyable. [12:27] if the provided file is a png in the tarball, I don't mind [12:27] but I've seen people adding pngs to the debian folder [12:27] I don't like that [12:27] and there are tons of package with png in their source [12:27] Tonio_: Things in the debian/ folder are supposed to be diffable against the tarball. [12:27] cassidy: yes, but reguarding the packaging, I prefer to add svg stuff than png one [12:28] if upstream adds png in the tarball, there is no reason to change that [12:28] of course :) [12:28] indeed [12:28] although I would prefer to have svg files inside :) [12:28] Tonio_: there exist people that write roff by hand instead of writing docbook ;) [12:28] Tonio_: ok, thanks for explanation :) [12:28] slomo_: Count me on your list. ;) [12:28] and if there is only a png use the png uuencoded in the diff [12:28] slomo_: there are people that can generate a binary using 1 and 0 ;) [12:29] there are genius (almost crazy) ;) [12:29] and send it upstream [12:29] Tonio_: there are weird people out there, yes ;) [12:29] cassidy: look at the source package for wlassistant for example [12:29] Tonio_: What do you say about People writing LaTeX? [12:29] Tonio_: Not that roff is that different, in principle. [12:30] pkern: like me? ;) [12:30] cassidy: instead of adding pngs to the debian folder, I'm using an svg file and generate svgs during the build [12:30] Tonio_: Which needs such a builder as a build-dep. [12:30] pkern: I don't know latex enough to talk about that :) [12:30] Tonio_: and what happens when you don't have a svg but only a svg? :P [12:30] slomo_: I'm doing the svg ;) [12:30] I don't consider writing SGML as so superior. [12:30] as I did with adept for example :) [12:31] svg is nicer since you don't have size limitations with it [12:31] Tonio_: well, i am not talented enough to create nice icons :P but i would do them as svg too [12:31] so in order to build clean icons, I think svg as a base is the nicer choice [12:31] Tonio_: but when i add an icon i get it from someone else (upstream most of the time) and when it's png i can't do anything about it [12:32] Tonio_: In order to use a desktop to use only free software is the nicer choice. [12:32] slomo_: no need to be talented :) consider adept is my first svg job;) [12:32] Tonio_: Sometimes you get binary files and you can't help it. [12:32] it took me about 12 hours to do it since my skills were about zero :) [12:32] Tonio_: ok ok. We can do that from xpm file too ? [12:32] Tonio_: Just as like sometimes one needs to use proprietary software. [12:32] pkern: that can happen of course [12:32] pkern: yes? when for example? :) [12:32] I do use proprietary software when there are no alternatives [12:32] slomo_: I have yet to see nice math software. [12:33] like java.... I can avoid using it for my work, and have no pb with this [12:33] slomo_: Maple and Mathematica come to mind. [12:33] pkern: ok, accepted... i thought you meant for the icon stuff... i use mathematica myself [12:33] I just think a source work has to be full source based [12:33] slomo_: In general. [12:33] and png isn't ;) [12:33] slomo_: It was just an analogy. === ctd [n=ctd@colo-us.misconfigured.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] cassidy: xpm files don't give a good result with big icons, so I generally hate it.... [12:34] svg is way nicer, although it is a bit bigger, I admit [12:35] but what is 2 kB disk usage nowadays ? [12:35] Tonio_: Consider the 100 USD laptop [12:35] Tonio_: Not that they need colourful icons [12:36] pkern: I don't consider them since this project will never work.... [12:36] Tonio_: but about java... i have yet to see a reason why i should install one of the commercial jre/jdk... for everything i need classpath/gij is good enough [12:36] Tonio_: It won't? [12:36] pkern: I don't consider giving "pseudo" computers to poor people is a solution... [12:36] pkern: I hope it will, but I don't think it will [12:36] Tonio_: What's so pseudo about them? [12:37] Tonio_: You share this attitude with Gates. ;) [12:37] pkern: the ability to perform simple tasks the same way that we can do it from 10 years [12:37] Tonio_: Which are? [12:37] pkern: and ? bill gates is certainly wrong on many points, but I think considering his experience is helping africa for example [12:37] Tonio_: Heck, I even use a P2-350 myself for video streaming. And they have a 500 MHz. [12:37] he should have good reasons to beleive that can't work [12:38] and yes, I share this opinion on that point :) [12:38] I don't have any problems with this [12:38] pkern: they have 500 mhz, but no hdd, and no battery [12:38] what can you do with it ? [12:38] Tonio_: Bill Gates opinion on this matter is purely FUD [12:38] no multimedia, no cpu usage or it might shutdown in 5 minutes........ [12:39] Tonio_: because he has been turned down [12:39] honnestly, those 100 USD pcs are a shame === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:39] Tonio_: half a gig of hdd is not enough? [12:39] hub: it may, I didn't say "I agree with his arguments", I just share the same opinion, but with MY understanding and MY arguments [12:39] pkern: exactly [12:40] Tonio_: the OLPC is about education [12:40] Ew. [12:40] education for everybody [12:40] education is a right that some countries do not offer, unles you have money. (/me points at a few G8 countries) [12:40] Tonio_: 1:10 physical work to battery energy isn't too bad, either. [12:41] pkern: I think is can be possible to provide really better stuff for 100 USD [12:41] hub: Well does G8 include Russia? [12:41] can you imagin the number of computers companies trash every year ? [12:41] Tonio_: Oh. I guess the UN really wants to hear how. Seriously. [12:41] Tonio_: go ahead, submit your design? [12:41] PIII 1.2 gigs with 256 megs of ram [12:41] Tonio_: They aren't better...? [12:42] Tonio_: There are projects collecting those, yes. [12:42] Tonio_: you also forget that that thse computer needs a 220V AC plug [12:42] Tonio_: How do they get the power for them in Africa? And where are the trashed monitors? [12:42] pkern: in my opinion, it would be better to recycle those computers that can perfectly do the job [12:42] Tonio_: the one you threw away [12:42] Tonio_: Mind you... You don't have power everywhere in Africa. [12:42] Tonio_: Heck, you don't even have water everywhere. [12:42] Tonio_: and how do they use it? how do they bring it home? [12:42] And solar power is expensive. [12:43] hub: At school there's another set ;) [12:43] pkern: people that don't have power need lots of things before informatics......... [12:43] like power ;) [12:43] Tonio_: Perhaps... education? [12:43] like water network [12:43] Tonio_: They shouldn't learn informatics. [12:43] Tonio_: *education* [12:43] pkern: and ? education doesn't obviously require a computer [12:43] Tonio_: But get a general education. [12:43] don't forget the world didn't start in 1990 [12:43] Tonio_: you are spoiled, you live in a country were you all have electricity and free post secondary education [12:43] quasi-free [12:43] yes, they need education [12:43] Tonio_: Education without the internet is hard nowadays. How are they expected to participate in the world. [12:44] pkern: I don't agree [12:44] pkern: not even [12:44] Tonio_: about the nm plugin... why do you reload the dbus configuration in postinst? [12:44] education without internet is perfectly possible....... [12:44] Tonio_: you can ask your questions on #olpc [12:44] hub: If one thinks that they should solve their problems on their own, given sufficient education, is it. [12:44] I didn't saw a computer at schol before I was 20, and that didn't prevent myself to learn mathematics, history etc...... [12:45] Tonio_: but you had books, didn't you? [12:45] Tonio_: How can i generate a xpm from a svg ? It seems rsvg-convert doesn't do that [12:45] cassidy: from any PNG [12:45] slomo_: I only did that since the package I used as a based did it, and I assumed there was a good reason to do it ;) [12:45] cassidy: ImageMagick can do that [12:45] slomo_: I didn't investigate more than this :) [12:45] cassidy: I never use xpm [12:45] Tonio_: it's for Debian menu [12:46] cassidy: but there are ways to generate png files from an svg ;) [12:46] look at wlassistant for the complete mecanisme [12:46] Tonio_: hmm... ok, it doesn't hurt so let's leave it ;) [12:46] cassidy: hum....... I assume you can do svg -> png -> xpm [12:46] so i do png -> svg. I put the svg in the package and during the build : svg -> png -> xpm 0_o [12:46] but I don't know if direct conversion is possible [12:47] cassidy: png -> svg will give a very bad renderring [12:47] so if you don't have a "real" svg, better uuencoding the png file maybe :) [12:47] cassidy: Only if you trace the png somehow. Plain embedding isn't fun. [12:47] Tonio_: if I had to stick to what I learned with my teachers, I wouldn't even be here [12:47] Tonio_: that problem is that you are focused on technology [12:48] png -> svg would indeed be a suboptimal choice [12:48] that you, you want svg everywhere ;) [12:48] hub: I am not [12:48] hub: I consider that to learn, except informatic things, books are the best way [12:49] and honnestly, I would prefer to ear, there are plans to get power to all africa, than giving them computers that can fit with the power missing issue...... [12:49] Tonio_: and good educators! [12:49] I don't say that's right, and we will know if I'm wrong in a few years [12:49] tritium: yes, that abvious :) [12:50] certainly, though, I agree with you, Tonio_ [12:51] I hope I'm wrong, but I'm sik of earing they have "pseudo medecine" for their health, "pseudo water full of virus", now pseudo computers looking like toys....... [12:52] it is not the good way to help them in MY opinion [12:52] pkern: thanks for the sda bug :) [12:52] but as I'm not there to help, I think I may shut up on that point [12:52] slomo_: :p [12:52] slomo_: I don't know if it makes sense, though. === hyakuhei [n=operativ@gentoo/user/RobC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:53] slomo_: Considering the Gobby Howl issue. [12:53] pkern: it does :) what is the license of the icons etc? [12:53] slomo_: GPL [12:53] copyright? [12:54] slomo_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gobby-logo.png [12:54] ok [12:54] could you add this url to the bugreport? [12:54] slomo_: Thomas Glatt is its creator. [12:55] Well, I could, yes. [12:56] slomo_: I just added the content, done. [12:56] slomo_: I took the SVG version from the repo anyway and scaled it. ;) [12:58] pkern: ok :) if you could port gobby to avahi everything would be perfect then :) === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] slomo_: Well, I would also need to backport it to 0.3.x for it to be "perfect". |: [12:59] slomo_: I doubt it would be stable enough to enter Dapper as a change. [12:59] slomo_: So I'll target Avahi support for Dapper+1 with 0.4.x ;) [12:59] Tonio_: you see computer like computer, not like a tool [01:00] hub: that's the oposite [01:00] I see computer like a replacement [01:00] without computer, I do in another way [01:00] that's due to the fact I didn't grew with computers [01:01] I started informatics from scratch at the age of 21 === jinty [n=jinty@94.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] I don't have the feeling a computer is necessary in people's life [01:01] and moreover when they don't have light, water, schools and education [01:02] hub: I don't mean computer is a gadget, but certainly not a priority in people's life [01:03] Tonio_: you have my vote for nm-openvpn now... :) is the vpnc one at the same state? [01:03] hub: and not having a computer at home didn't prevent myself from getting my mathematics diploma... [01:03] slomo_: yep, exactly yhe same, except I couldn't test it :) [01:04] hub: and at university I was the only one not using their computers, since I simply didn't feel the ned of it... so plz don't tell me "you don't see computers like tools" [01:04] that's exactly the oposite of my real feeling :) [01:05] Is vpnc Cisco-VPN-compatible? [01:05] Tonio_: btw, #olpc is probably more appropriate [01:05] If so, I can test it. [01:05] pkern: sure is [01:05] it works quite well [01:05] hub: sure ;) but it is too late here in france to debate this :) [01:05] hub: ping me another day, I would take pleasure debating this :) [01:05] tritium: Last time I tried it didn't, but that experience is about a year old. [01:06] Tonio_: I won't ping you for that [01:06] So time to try it again. [01:06] Tonio_: I don't care [01:06] pkern: same for me. It worked well for me about a year ago. [01:06] pkern: it worked for me one year ago without problems ;) [01:06] pkern: you are gobby developer as I understand> [01:06] slomo_: Perhaps it depends on the other side. [01:06] Tonio_: but before uploading the plugins you really should coordinate with debian about package names etc :P [01:07] slomo_: I promiss to do it ;) [01:07] hub: Yes, one of two. [01:07] slomo_: we did that for the knetworkmanager stuff, there is no reason we don't do it for the vpn modules :) [01:08] Tonio_: ok :) thanks === marcin` [n=marcin@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] pkern: 'cause AbiWord people (not me) are working on a collaborative writing as well [01:11] hub: I know. [01:12] hub: Too many people work on such a solution./ [01:12] hub: I can't help that everybody reinvents the wheel. [01:12] pkern: and they do not seem to be willing to try to share [01:12] hub: We'll build Gobby-over-Jabber support in the next weeks. [01:12] but rather "hack something that work" [01:12] hub: Yep. [01:13] hub: We created a library for use in other programs when no Free Software solution was available. [01:13] hub: Probably MateEdit, the KDE client, will move to obby, but that's it. [01:13] Or rather KDE collaborative editor [01:14] hub: I'm a little bit disappointed |: [01:14] pkern: me too [01:15] pkern: btw, regarding avahi... you could write to the mailinglist... it's more likely to get an answer there [01:16] slomo_: I'm not so glad about the attitude of some Avahi devs anyway. I'll start another try later this day. [01:17] pkern: what attitude? [01:17] slomo_: Regarding the howl compatibility layers they built. First they build it, then they threaten everyone who uses it and implement really silly warnings which confuse more than do help. [01:19] pkern: heh... that's the only aspect i don't like as well but i don't care enough... people should just port to avahi, it's not too hard anyway === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:20] pkern: and the message was meant to be annoying :P [01:20] slomo_: It's just that the two APIs are quite similar, Avahi provides more hooks, yes. But that's it. [01:20] slomo_: It did confuse me. I expected my software to be buggy. [01:20] slomo_: But then it spits warnings about *intended* behaviour. [01:20] slomo_: I'm ok with the startup message, I mean others. [01:21] slomo_: IMHO that's not ok. [01:21] pkern: and the avahi api is much more structured, powerful and easier to use imho... and avahi is free in contrast to howl/mdnsresponder [01:22] slomo_: Howl's free. mDNSresponder is not. [01:22] slomo_: Howl runs on Windows, Avahi does not. [01:23] pkern: not dfsg-free... and avahi should be easy to port to windows... it only has to be done by someone who knows windows :P [01:23] slomo_: The Howl dev wants to port Avahi's mDNSresponder to Howl 2. However I doubt that he'll push that project forward when Avahi builds on Win. [01:23] slomo_: Howl's DFSG-free. mDNSresponder is not, and it's included. [01:24] slomo_: I don't think it's that easy to port. Otherwise it would be done already. [01:24] slomo_: Due to DBUS et al. [01:25] pkern: afaik they are working on a fifo based IPC for 0.7 which should work on windows too... and the other parts are easy to port or need no changes at all [01:25] but better discuss that with mezcalero :P === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] I don't understand one thing. They built that howl compatibility layer. But why didn't they just port the applications. Perhaps I could find someone who complets the port using my work. ;) [01:28] the compat layers were meant to be a iterim solution until apps are ported [01:28] and they were done because it would be cool to have itunes etc running with avahi on os x and they could be done ;) [01:30] Eh? [01:30] Why would one want Avahi on OS X. [01:30] Seriously. [01:31] for screenshots? ;) [01:31] And then... Those are not the Howl ones. [01:31] yes, those are the libdns-sd ones [01:31] Oh yeah... let's get rid of that OS X integration, we want to replace it! [01:32] What about building a free GUI instead. [01:32] Less waste of resources. [01:32] from what i saw the compat layers were only done because they could be done and to produce some screenshots ;) [01:32] Considering that those bindings are under APSL (which is not DFSG-free, I know... but then it's OSX, isn't it) [01:32] Oh well. [01:33] For nice screenshots I want to see Gobby ported to OSX. But that will never happen. [01:33] why? [01:34] What? Why I want it ported or why it will never happen? [01:34] why it will never happen [01:34] It's Gtk after all. [01:34] there is a os x port of gtk [01:34] I know. [01:35] Not advanced enough to run seriously. |: [01:35] Perhaps it's worth another try to integrate it into DarwinPorts. [01:35] hm [01:35] would be a nice SoC project :) [01:35] But then Avahi is more of a high priority. [01:35] to finish it i mean [01:35] Too big I suppose. [01:35] Especially because Gtk's menu handling just isn't compatible with OS X's. [01:36] some of the freebsd SoC projects were far bigger [01:36] slomo_: Were they taken and completed? [01:36] taken but not completed afaik [01:36] slomo_: And do you know how advanced the OS X port already is? [01:36] one was implementing journaling for the fs iirc [01:36] slomo_: I don't think they made much of a progress the last months, but I can be wrong. [01:37] no idea... it was done by a imendio guy iirc? [01:37] I guess tomorrow is the next round of mentor organisation approvals/denials. [01:37] slomo_: Yep. [01:38] Hm, if strikethrough means completed then the roadmap looks nice. [01:38] :) === Mongoose [n=mongoose@ip68-106-216-206.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] n8 === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral_ [n=root@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral_ is now known as Kyral [02:22] Anyone wanna kill time by talking to me and a friend over HAM while we wait for Dapper to download? === Xk2c [n=Xk2c@dslb-088-072-208-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:29] BddebianIsAGod? Word. [02:29] Heya gang [02:29] crimsun: I thought you said I was an idiot? :_) [02:30] bddebian: me? I may be an idiot, but I don't recall saying you're one. :) [02:33] crimsun: You are FAR from an idiot [02:33] You scolded me for uploading gxine :-) [02:34] you didn't do anything wrong; I was just hoping to get input from Darren prior to an upload. There's no harm done. [02:34] :-) [02:56] g'night everybody === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486F8D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pupeno_ [n=Pupeno@80-102-192-33.bcn1.dialup.uni2.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caleb- [n=caleb@220.229.33.205] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Astinus [i=alex@freenode/staff/gentoo.astinus] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@pD9E2BB5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === irvin [n=vx@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dewd [n=dewd@201.29.127.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Xk2c [n=Xk2c@dslb-088-072-208-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["sudo] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] What the hell is xclip supposed to do? [04:28] from the man page: "annoy the crap out of bddebian" [04:28] :) [04:28] Yuck, yuck :-) [04:32] bddebian: sorry, isn't it supposed to be some kind of ancient clipboard viewer? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] G'day all. [04:33] Yeah and I hacked it to not use the /X11R6/ path but when I execut it, it doesn't do anything. I don't get any errors but it doesn't do anything either. Though that might be normal behaviour [04:33] Heya Yagisan [04:34] bddebian: what's up ? [04:34] Nada man, you? [04:34] bddebian: I played with some of X apps awhile ago and came to two conclusions: === Yagisan has been making a nuisance of himself with avidemux [04:34] 1. the X build system is fuckin wierd === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] 2. These apps are not very useful anymore [04:35] bmonty: xmkmf is broken currently yes :-) [04:35] Well not broken but still using the X11R6 path [04:36] slomo__: around ? [04:36] bddebian: yeah, I think any app that is still broken in that way is probably not very useful [04:36] bddebian: maybe a morgue candiate? === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Well someone must use it, there is a bug filed on it ;-P [04:36] Heya tritium [04:37] hi bddebian [05:10] bbl === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \etc\bin [n=erivera@203.213.203.57] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat__ [n=mat@d02v-89-83-233-150.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buggs [n=noidentd@shadow.splashground.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:22] slomo__: I changed what you asked with respect to the package, now what's left is the s/binary-arch/binary-indep/ [09:22] slomo__: but I want to understand fully what I'm doing before going on with the change, should I just change it such that binay-indep will be the main target that calls everything underneath it? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-082-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === enyc puzzled why ubuntu 6.06 still has Mailman 2.1.5 -- same as the last 3 releases at-current in-fact [!!] [09:47] enyc: what's the latest version of it? [09:49] Hobbsee: 2.1.8 upstream, 2.1.7+2.1.8rc1 in unstable/testing [09:49] ah ok [09:50] enyc: it's too late for dapper...but dapper+1 it should get updated [09:50] esp if you remind someone about it [09:50] kk [09:50] its not much changes.. mostly just mailman security updates internally... [09:51] Hobbsee: I noticed similar abuot 'freedoom' and a bugfix was done, and this was then UVF-exception updated (but its not a arch-specific (compiled) or dependancy-headache package) [09:52] oh ok. if it were only bugfixes, then it could probably go in - but if there were new features as well, and if the current package functions...particularly this late in feature freeze... === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] Hobbsee: I think we could request an UVF exception for mailman, its development is slow and stable enough for that. It'd make pitti's job easier, if nothing else. [09:55] Mithrandir: ah ok === Hobbsee hadnt heard of mailman before, so was treating it as any other out-of-date package [09:56] it's in main, though, so it'd have to be post-beta. [09:56] and when's the beta? [09:56] Thursday. [09:56]