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[08:42] JaneW: i don't think we are expecting you to work every day in the week :) [08:42] that would not be healthy [08:43] spacey: hi :) [08:43] pygi seems to [08:43] ah [08:43] although in his defense I think he is just pinging cos he sees I'm connected [08:43] he pings a lot anyway [08:43] and thanks to my ADSL line reset the /away flag gets turned off [08:43] Kansen voor jonge, talentvolle, bevlogen en intelligente noordelijke ondernemers === spacey breaks his head on translating that :P [08:45] Opportunities for young, talented and intelligent northern entrepreneurs [08:45] Chances for young, talented, (bevlogen?) and intelligent northern [08:46] yes opportunities is better [08:46] ondernemers sounds like undertakers [08:46] but if you onderneem you take part [08:46] so it could be entrepreneur [08:47] what's bevlogen? [09:08] babelfish translates it to animated [09:08] but i don't think its accurate so i just left it out [09:08] oh ok [09:08] animated is loosely translated as characterful [09:09] ondernemers are people with their own small business [09:09] :) [09:09] you would describe someone who talks with lots of facial expressions and hand gestures (particularly if they are humourous) as animated [09:10] bevlogen means bezield, geinspireerd [09:11] another translating challenge [09:11] :P [09:11] anyway I already blogged [09:11] so [09:11] free drinks on friday [09:11] :) === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-247-234.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [09:12] ogra: around perhaps? [09:21] spacey: poke? [09:22] why is nobody alive :-P === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu [09:38] i'm just about to leave [09:38] sorry pygi:) [09:39] spacey: will do :) [09:39] just saw u wrote something, and wanted to review :) [09:39] yeah [09:40] but i wasn't able to link outside the worksheet [09:40] crappy wiki stuff [09:40] well, how do I review when u haven't posted it :-P [09:40] where do you expect the content [09:40] well, sec [09:40] well its in the old cookbook [09:40] already wrote it a month ago [09:40] for this part: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/ServHard [09:41] ServHard? [09:42] well, server hardware :) [09:42] thats not a chapter [09:42] and i suggest we write out the titles [09:42] HardwareRequirements [09:43] covers client and server [09:43] hm, for client/workstation there is a different thing [09:43] no [09:43] in Part III [09:43] for workstation there is a different thing [09:43] well, look at the layout :-P [09:44] what i wrote covers thin client and server requirements [09:44] ah, true, yes [09:44] sorry :-P [09:44] can't we just sub the pages in the chapters [09:45] well, we can [09:45] HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements [09:45] that is most convienant with linking [09:45] i will add it when i get back [09:45] have a meeting at 10:00 [09:45] k, enjoy :) [09:46] thats in 15 minutes and its a few km away [09:46] so i should go now [09:46] bbl === froud [n=froud@dsl-145-14-247.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [10:04] morn === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [10:10] morin' froud === froud nods [10:11] mornin'* === _froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-0-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-55-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === froud_ [n=froud@dsl-145-55-61.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] JaneW, highvoltage, the list *is* set up to discard non-member mail automatically i know no way to switch off the "send copy to listadmin" [11:40] ogra: dang [11:40] ogra: and there I was getting all hopeful [11:40] afaict none of the spam goes to the list [11:40] yep [11:40] so it only bothers me (and any other admin) [11:40] as no non-member mails do [11:41] which is annoying, but I can deal with it [11:41] i just have a special folder for them and ctrl-a/"mark all read" them once a week === Reznor [i=Reznor@about/cooking/nakedchef/quorn/smile] has joined #edubuntu === Reznor is now known as _Reznor === _Reznor [i=Reznor@about/cooking/nakedchef/quorn/smile] has left #edubuntu ["brb"] [12:14] ogra: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/admin/edubuntu-devel/privacy/sender [12:14] ogra: check the second last action, it says "hold" [12:14] ogra: if that is set to discard, than it would automatically discard non-member posts, at the moment it holds them for review [12:15] try it :) [12:15] i wont argue if i dont get 100s of useless mails === highvoltage tries it :) === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-202-111.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [12:27] JaneW, ogra: seems to work fine now. i sent an e-mail from a non-suscribed address and it was automatically discarded [12:34] highvoltage: er good, I do process all waiting mails many times a day, but took a break over the long week-end, maybe that's when you noticed the 'rpblem'? [12:34] problem even [12:40] JaneW: i didn't think it's a big problem, it's just inconvenient moderating so much messages when less than 1% of it is actually meant for the list [12:40] JaneW: i've been thinking of proposing it for a while now :) [12:41] highvoltage: oic, well I frequently have 100+ messages in my inbox, about 10 of which are actually for me... [12:41] other lists i'm on is usually discard for non-members by default [12:41] JaneW: you'll still get the discard messages though [12:41] JaneW: your best bet there is to do like ogra and filter it somewhere [12:41] I used to be very diligent and let the odd (1 in 200) valid post though [12:41] mine goes into //INBOX/lists/edubuntu-devel/admin/ [12:42] but it;s far too time consuming to moderate each message, so now I just discard whole batches [12:42] yeah, me too [12:43] the only moderation requests we should get now are for posts which seem dodgy somehow (as we've defined in mailman). it should be less than two a week now, i think. [12:43] I was also making a point of banning all spammers... [12:43] i was thinking of blocking all messages that end with chase.com or microsoftsupport.com, etc [12:44] but generally it seems best to block non-member posts. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:22] Bluekuja: why do you keep PMing me? [01:36] Bluekuja: you're allowed to talk to us on the #edubuntu channel too, you know :) [01:37] Seveas the mennice === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.9.19] has joined #edubuntu [02:28] ogra: email please :) [02:29] again ? [02:29] isnt one a day enough for you ? [02:29] ;) [02:29] heh === jsgotangco mutters something about very shiny edubuntu docs [02:30] do we have them ? [02:30] we compiled what we have [02:30] oh, where ? [02:31] i have a few chapters with me [02:31] but hardly complete :/ as is [02:31] hmm, so we have to package you and ship you to the users ? [02:31] we could make a serial novel type of release lol [02:31] joke [02:31] heh [02:32] ogra: i dunno if this is even possible i do have about edubuntu done already though [02:32] hmm, i should pulll it into -artwork then [02:33] but artwork and docs are rather past beta stuff [02:33] should i still include your features list? [02:33] at least for us [02:33] sure [02:33] as you like, you asked for it :) [02:36] ok brb === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.121.89] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-174-205.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-174-205.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === hieuvo [n=jimi@d58-105-43-17.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:31] how to uninstall EDUBUNTU safely from my system please [03:31] back jon i know it hehehe,it was a personal message^^ [03:31] just install something else that formats the disk ? [03:32] but grub was on that partition [03:32] i have to go ,oliver ,jon see you later [03:32] cya ;) [03:32] hieuvo, and ? if you format it newly that will get overwritten by the new OS you install [03:33] ogra, if i only wipe it without install new OS...hmm will my fc and xp still works? [03:34] as long as you run the respective grub update tool of your new distro (fc4), it will [03:34] s/fc4/fc/ === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-174-205.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] ogra: did you reply to silb's edubuntu install instructions request? [03:49] not yet [03:49] will do so today [03:53] ogra: please, else we'll face the wrath [04:52] Bluekuja: for the record, my irc client doesn't hilight 'jon' :) [04:53] highvoltage, so fix that then :P [04:54] ogra: i don't want it to hilight that [04:54] :P [05:05] cheers, #edubuntu! === trondm_gone is now known as trondm === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-243-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [05:32] ogra: are you here this time? :) [05:32] yes [05:32] very busy preparing the betas release [05:32] *beta [05:33] ogra: will talk after beta then === HedgeMage peeks in === HedgeMage is doing some writing today [05:40] great Hedgemage [05:40] :) [05:46] Hmm... I don't think TT understood what I meant when I said I was working on the Edubuntu Cookbook... he brought me spatulas! [05:47] :-D === trondm is now known as trondm_gone === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === lns [n=thedarke@adsl-69-109-211-9.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] what's up everyone! === HedgeMage bounces === HedgeMage isn't sure if she wants to say because she might jinx it [08:12] hehe === HedgeMage bounces some more === HedgeMage might burst if she doesn't tell someone [08:12] Has anyone had any issues with the users/groups GUI in flight 6, where it is either extremely slow or not loading at all? [08:13] HedgeMage - ? [08:13] Sent in a resume on a whim for a really awesome job I didn't think I had a chance at... they called back this morning to ask for my references/other paperwork. [08:13] So, they must find me worth considering, at least. [08:14] nice! [08:14] what is the position? [08:14] I wasn't really ready to look yet, but the timing's not awful... I might have to send my son to stay with my parents for a little while if I take this job though [08:14] only a few weeks [08:14] "Open Source Implementation Specialist" helping a local university migrate to open source, supoorting it for the uni, and contributing back to the projects they use. [08:15] Very very awesome job. [08:15] ooooOOOOOO [08:15] very cool!! [08:15] Thanks! [08:15] Cross your fingers for me [08:15] I'm going to be a huge bundle of nerves until I know for sure if I have it or not [08:16] Haha.. =) you have nothing to worry about [08:16] I'll miss TT, but he loves my parents' farm, and my mom is a teacher so she'd be on summer break when he goes, and she, my dad, and my brother really miss him. [08:16] And it's only for a few weeks. [08:17] My family is very cool... I know not everyone can send off their kid for a few weeks and not have to worry. [08:17] yeah exactly === caravena [n=caravena@164.77.54.207] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage bounces [08:21] so, if I'm a lunatic for the next few days, please forgive me. === lns forgives you [08:24] Is there anything specific about the job you're going to be doing, that you know of? [08:24] i.e. distro use, etc? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [08:25] yep one sec I'll elaborate once I get TT some lunch [08:26] I think he's about to eat my couch 8P [08:26] HedgeMage: i'll hold thumbs for you for that job [08:26] HedgeMage: i mean, cross my fingers, sorry I think the holding thumbs thing is a south african expression :) [08:28] So does anyone have any insight on the users/groups gui issue i'm having? [08:31] back [08:31] lns: not I, sorry [08:32] highvoltage: Thanks, it is not one I was familiar with, but I am now :) [08:32] Ok here's another Q [08:32] Do you guys know how to change the default desktop background for all new users? === lns is not a Gnome guy (yet) [08:33] HedgeMage: nice to be able to talk to you for a change, btw. I see your name everywhere but i'm hardly ever on IRC at the same time as you :) [08:34] :) [08:35] lns: umm, you can make a gnome conf and put it in /etc/skel (something like that) to make it the default for new users. === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu [08:36] HedgeMage, is it safe to create a new, 'template' user and modify everything i want? or is there any per-user associations with the gnome conf files? [08:37] lns: I *think* that works... but I'm not a huge gnome person so I may be wrong [08:37] hi HedgeMage :) [08:37] hi Bluekuja [08:37] how are you man? === HedgeMage is a woman, but is doing *very* well [08:38] :) [08:39] oh [08:39] sorry then :) [08:39] i was gonna say, with all that bouncing around, you make a unique male ;) [08:40] HedgeMage, take a look at Sabayon if you want to edit user profiles [08:40] lns, ^ [08:41] Here's what I know about the job so far: they have (or want to have, not sure which), a LAMP server running Sakai (an opensource replacement for Blackboard)... and are looking for more places to move from proprietary stuff to open source. [08:41] Burgwork, thanks! [08:41] lns: Heh... I only bounce when very excited... I'm a bit of a tomboy [08:42] haha HedgeMage [08:42] Bluekuja: no need to be sorry, I'm on IRC, and not because my boyfriend dragged me, so 90% chance I'm male :P [08:42] I just happen to belong to the other 10% [08:43] Burgwork, is Sabayon installed by default in Edubuntu, or does it have plans for so? [08:43] lns, no and no [08:43] hehe yeah [08:43] :) [08:44] Burgwork, why no plans? is it too early in dev still? [08:44] because it is an admin tool [08:44] but for edubuntu, it might be a sane thing to install [08:44] ogra, ^ [08:45] that's definitely what i'm thinking as well [08:45] if it would work right, we'd already include it [08:45] heh [08:45] ;) [08:45] what are the issues you have had? [08:45] ok so i won't install it on my production network! [08:45] it breaks ssh logins [08:45] ah, cool [08:46] ugh..good thing i found that out! [08:46] thanks ogra [08:46] and if you could use it via ssh, you would have no fun because xnest doesnt work through ssh tunnels [08:46] has that been communicated upstream? [08:46] not yet [08:46] menu system and user management are in my focus for dapper+1 [08:46] upstream is pretty quiet for sabayon, so it might be something we might have to fix ourselves, in dapper+! [08:46] sabayon is written in python [08:47] aside from ltsp local devices and kiosk mode [08:49] sorry for the bombardment of questions [08:50] how about running apps (like TuxType, which is very slow over the network due to 3d graphics) locally on the thin clients? is there a howto for this? [08:52] nope, but you can use the ltsp.org docs for local apps [08:53] ok awesome [08:53] it will be possible to easily enable it in any future release [08:53] ooo, ltsp-4.2 update 1 out yesterday [08:54] that's awesome news ogra [08:54] but its very low priority on my list currently (patches against ltsp gracefully accepted indeed :) ) [08:55] Hehe === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook is now known as ogra [09:21] Do we have a list of applications that are included with Edubuntu that are not suitable for an LTSP environment and should be run locally? If not, I can compile a list. [09:21] that'd be nice [09:21] cool, i'll get on that [09:21] i only can tell sabayon from the top of my head [09:21] (but thats based on xnest being broken) [09:21] yeah [09:22] I've seen a few games as being the only ones so far, and/or most video streaming/editing apps [09:22] video players are generally sluggish over ltsp [09:22] yep [09:22] and one of the tuxgames ... [09:22] maybe some sort of install option for configuring these apps to run on the thin client (provided enough ram)? [09:23] yeah TuxType is a big one [09:23] and i forgot the name of it, but the one where you're shooting math problems with tux [09:23] yeh, i wasnt sure if it was math or type [09:23] yeah both [09:23] i think one was still half way usable (math ? ) the other wasnt usable at all [09:24] they cost us a lot of diskspace ... i wonder if its whrth keeping them at all [09:24] I think so [09:24] TuxType is a cool program, and I know my customer really wanted it [09:24] it's the only good typing tutor for linux that i can find [09:25] and a typing tutor is definitely necessary for edubuntu IMHO [09:33] lns: tuxmaths? === drbreen [n=drbreen@p54B7E132.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:34] i have a problem. my ltsp diskless clients do take input from the keyboard but take way to long to process it. when only the ltsp login manager (kubuntu) is loaded, everything works fine but when kde is loaded it takes forever even for the x server to process crtl+alt+del [09:34] if tuxtype just drops the animation in the beginning, it would already be much, much more thin client friendly. [09:34] drbreen: what do you mean with ltsp login manager (kubuntu)? [09:35] do you mean you're using KDM? [09:35] or is it kubuntu with an apt-get installed ltsp? [09:35] i use ltsp on kubuntu [09:35] thats what i mean [09:35] i installed it so that its now like edubuntu, i suppose [09:36] highvoltage, tuxmath is one of them i believe - the one where Tux is shooting a cannon/gun at math problems in space [09:38] pyweek just finished and there are good puzzle games in there [09:39] can anyone help me here ? [09:39] it is "kubuntu with an apt-got ltsp" [09:39] I just exited from TuxType, the whole game is very slow over the net, not just the intro [09:40] lns: yep [09:40] awesome music thou ;) [09:41] drbreen, the first thing that comes to mind is network / server load, but that's just me [09:41] what are the server specs? [09:41] up today everything worked just fine [09:41] err [09:41] until today [09:42] drbreen, so what has changed? [09:42] after holidays someone rebooted the server [09:42] nothing [09:42] i just did an spt-get upgrade but i did not reboot [09:42] thats my problem [09:42] i disconnected the wlan access point, too [09:43] but dont know [09:43] ah [09:43] and i am typing at the server and it is fast like ever [09:43] did you do your 'rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386' and 'build-ltsp-client' after the apt-get upgrade? [09:43] why should i ? [09:44] because your ltsp system is not updated with apt-get [09:44] ah thanks [09:44] you have to rebuild it [09:44] i have to learn much [09:44] =) I just learned this last week [09:44] but first reboot the server [09:44] that was my mistake - and i built the ltsp environment with old stuff, and when i rebooted things didn't match and it was a total nightmare [09:45] also (correct me if i'm wrong ogra/others) you need to do an 'ltsp-update-kernels' if the kernel was updated? [09:45] is there an easy way to see if my network is overloaded ? [09:45] lns, yup [09:46] it ltsp-build-cient not the other way round [09:46] is it ? [09:46] but only if you updated it in the chroot [09:46] drbreen, ping is a simple way of seeing if your network "might" be overloaded [09:46] ogra, do you have to do that manually? [09:47] not if you build it plain ... [09:47] i.e. with ltsp-build-client [09:47] ok wait [09:47] oh ok [09:47] but that shoult be necessary only once [09:47] i get ping times of ca. 0.2 to 0.3 ms [09:48] afetr that you can sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get dist-upgrade [09:48] is that fast enough ? [09:48] oooo crap i wish i knew that! hehe [09:49] drbreen, yeah that's nominal, as long as you're not pinging yourself [09:49] hrhr no [09:49] i am pinging the router [09:50] ogra, is that the recommended way to upgrade the ltsp env? with chroot/apt-get instead of ltsp-build-client? [09:51] i have to go now [09:52] bye [09:52] lns, its only required from breezy to dapper to rebuild it (not really required, but recommended since most speedups are done by build-client) === drbreen [n=drbreen@p54B7E132.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #edubuntu ["Kopete] [09:52] ogra, ok cool [09:52] good stuff [09:58] ogra: do you know a guy called george kiptalam? [09:58] nope [09:59] ok [09:59] is approved on the team [09:59] i have never heard him [09:59] ok i deactivate [09:59] him [10:00] ok done [10:03] HedgeMage: News from freenode staff? [10:04] ogra: what do you think about proto.edubuntu.org? [10:04] don't you think it could look a little bit more mature? [10:04] i like it === HedgeMage peeks in [10:05] Bluekuja: news on what? [10:05] hosting side [10:05] Bluekuja: ooh, yeah, brain cramp... drop me a /msg [10:06] lucasvo, i find it quite good as it is already [10:06] what do you think is immature there ? [10:09] too many gradients and bright colors [10:09] compared to ubuntu [10:11] its the same colorset [10:11] what do you mean, colorset? [10:11] its identical to dappers colors [10:12] yeah, but in dapper the colors aren't as "present" as on the site [10:12] they are only in the titlebar, not all over the screen [10:14] i dont mind them being more present in the website, but we should discuss it on the next meeting probably [10:15] it's the day after tomorrow? [10:18] wow, shit, I just accidetally installed edubuntu-desktop on my server === highvoltage blushes [10:20] ogra: you're totally right :) [10:22] highvoltage: when is the meeting? [10:22] lucasvo: the edubuntu one? tomorrow at 12UTC [10:23] crap [10:23] hm, I won't be able to come in before 13UTC [10:24] so it is actually 14:00 in berlin, isn't it? [10:24] lucasvo: yep [10:24] 14:00 in berlin [10:30] highvoltage: im at school at that hour ,how can i connect to irc? [10:31] i tried before [10:31] but cant connect outside [10:32] awww... you folks always have meetings when I'm sleeping! [10:32] hehe [10:32] what time in your country? [10:32] 12 UTC is 4am here [10:32] o [10:33] where do you live? [10:33] The west coast of the USA [10:33] (WA state) [10:33] ah yes [10:33] nice place isnt it? [10:33] yep, I like it :) [10:33] may stay here. [10:33] ;) [10:33] hehe [10:34] i have to read something before the cc meeting [10:34] 30 min to it [10:34] so brb [10:34] :) [10:38] Bluekuja: there's a java applet called WLirc, which i use to connect to irc from phone [10:38] oh [10:38] where i can find it? === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.230.148] has joined #edubuntu [10:40] Bluekuja: i'm not sure where i got it, you might have to google a bit [10:40] ok [10:40] i just need something like that [10:40] to make it working === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #edubuntu [11:03] Bluekuja: I am here now, may not stay for the full hour though [11:04]