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| OdyX | kmon: Well... Version: 6.9.0-8.23.7+2.6.15.8-1 | 12:10 |
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| OdyX | I don't know... but this is the version I could have if needed. | 12:10 |
| kmon | ati released 8.24.8 | 12:10 |
| kmon | it supports many x10xxx cards | 12:11 |
| kmon | and I've read resolves issues with kdm (but I don't know if this is correct) | 12:11 |
| kmon | I'm having issues with kdm and fglrx: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/36897/+index | 12:12 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 36897 in kdm "blank screen on quit (no usplash)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 12:12 |
| kmon | so that's my main interest | 12:12 |
| kmon | but I imagine many people with new laptops will like the addition | 12:12 |
| OdyX | kmon: I'm on the other side of the force: nvidia | 12:13 |
| OdyX | sorry, I cannot do much more than apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx | 12:14 |
| kmon | OdyX: I'm running dapper :) | 12:14 |
| OdyX | kmon: I do even... | 12:16 |
| OdyX | kmon: but no special interest on Compiz (impossible to run Boinc...) | 12:16 |
| kmon | OdyX: I'm not interested in compiz either | 12:17 |
| OdyX | kmon: so what ? | 12:17 |
| OdyX | kmon: download kororaa.... burn a CD and hold it with your laptop... :D | 12:17 |
| OdyX | Then, when demo is necessary, take the CD, put it in reader, reboot and SHOW ! | 12:18 |
| kmon | kororra hangs my laptop | 12:19 |
| kmon | it's a known issue with ati drivers | 12:19 |
| OdyX | woops then :D | 12:20 |
| OdyX | but wait for 0.3, they will probably include last drivers which you seem to say they comply... | 12:20 |
| kmon | sure | 12:30 |
| kmon | ok, time to sleep.... | 12:30 |
| kmon | good night everyone here | 12:30 |
| OdyX | 'night kmon. | 12:31 |
| kmon | bye | 12:31 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0496.JPG | 01:01 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0497.JPG | 01:01 |
| Riddell | not sure how useful those are with my shaky hand | 01:01 |
| Riddell | but the beta image looks really bad, especially round the bottom of the letters | 01:02 |
| OdyX | Riddell: this is intended to be the usplash for beta ? | 01:02 |
| kwwii | Riddell: thanks for posting those | 01:02 |
| Riddell | OdyX: yes | 01:03 |
| Riddell | kwwii: however the scaling is just right | 01:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: I expected that the bottoms would do exactly that...good | 01:03 |
| OdyX | Riddell: would not like to make something funny starting "beta" from the b of Kubuntu ? | 01:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: killer - that is the part that I was scared of | 01:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: taking a 14 color pic, scaling it, and then adding extra text to it is simply too much | 01:04 |
| kwwii | but the kubuntu stuff should be about final, or? | 01:04 |
| kwwii | I wonder how the syslinux pic looks like | 01:04 |
| kwwii | there is a test program somewhere in the gfxboot stuff, I think | 01:05 |
| Riddell | kwwii: I don't understand why it makes it look bad, the "beta" text doesn't contain any new colours | 01:05 |
| kwwii | Riddell: well, it changes the weight of which color is used most | 01:05 |
| kwwii | Riddell: and therefor effects the alpha (anti-aliasing) to indexed color conversion | 01:06 |
| kwwii | Riddell: of course, I could make it *really* nasty block text after doing the colormapping | 01:07 |
| kwwii | s/effects/affects | 01:08 |
| kwwii | the question that we haven't answered yet (and I guess I am the only person thinking about it) is whether or not the colormaps for all pics fit the programs | 01:09 |
| Riddell | ok, I need to work out how to do that again | 01:09 |
| kwwii | if we have made a mistake and some important text is really dark blue on a black bg it will be considered a major bug | 01:09 |
| kwwii | believe me, I have been there and done | 01:10 |
| kwwii | that | 01:10 |
| kwwii | the colormap for the Usplash is good, we tested that | 01:11 |
| kwwii | but I do not know what other stuff is used | 01:12 |
| kwwii | I have only installed twice | 01:12 |
| kwwii | :-) | 01:12 |
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| kwwii | time to buy my wife a new computer :-) | 01:12 |
| OdyX | kwwii: XD | 01:12 |
| kwwii | a simple cheap intel machine is what I need | 01:14 |
| kwwii | anyway.... | 01:14 |
| kwwii | Riddell: is grub using a pic now or is it text? | 01:14 |
| kwwii | Riddell: and do you know if there is any text shown when you first boot from the CD? (syslinux) | 01:16 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yes, syslinux has a menu now | 01:17 |
| Riddell | kwwii: grub doesn't use a picture | 01:17 |
| kwwii | I put black as the first entry in the colormap but I think that grub and syslinux want white to be the last entry as well | 01:17 |
| kwwii | and we have it at 8 for the Usplash | 01:18 |
| kwwii | so I would need to change that for those pics, if that is the case | 01:18 |
| kwwii | but I do not know the packages for *buntu | 01:18 |
| kwwii | I am sure that someone will scream if it the first beta is borked because of that :-) | 01:20 |
| Riddell | kwwii: on kubuntu non-beta the "ok" white text is not white | 01:22 |
| Riddell | it's a dark blue | 01:22 |
| Riddell | on kubuntu beta it is white | 01:22 |
| kwwii | Riddell: we are talking about the Usplash, right? | 01:22 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:23 |
| kwwii | ok, I should be able to fix that, one second | 01:24 |
| kwwii | hehe, I forgot to add the white to the pic | 01:24 |
| kwwii | oops | 01:24 |
| kwwii | see, that is why I wanted to test this stuff | 01:24 |
| Riddell | same for the ubuntu pics, no white | 01:25 |
| kwwii | ouch...I guess I thought that the beta pics were final at first | 01:25 |
| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0498.JPG | 01:25 |
| kwwii | thanks for mentioning it | 01:25 |
| Riddell | to 502 | 01:25 |
| kwwii | man that logo looks bad | 01:26 |
| kwwii | dude, the ubuntu splash stuff looks just as bad with the beta as without :-( | 01:31 |
| kwwii | Riddell: mail sent with new pic(s), thanks again | 01:43 |
| kwwii | for taking the time to test both | 01:44 |
| kwwii | time for bed now | 01:49 |
| kwwii | night all | 01:49 |
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| fromoze | Hi, I was trying to install dapper using expresso with monday's daily-live but when I try tu chose spanish Expresso disappears. | 02:00 |
| Riddell | fromoze: got a backtrace? | 02:00 |
| fromoze | Could it be a problem with the daily-liver or expresso works actually only for an english installation? | 02:00 |
| Riddell | it should work fine, but wouldn't surprise me if there was a problem | 02:01 |
| fromoze | no, I just finished the back-up of the hd and I was looking about downloading a new version of the live in the night to play tomorrow with :D | 02:02 |
| Riddell | there's not been any changes | 02:02 |
| Riddell | but I'll look into it tomorrow | 02:02 |
| fromoze | then, I must insist tomorrow with a spanish installation and try to get a backtrace? | 02:03 |
| fromoze | I mean, isn't a feature the problem, may be a bug. | 02:03 |
| Riddell | yes, it'll be a bug, a backtrace would be useful | 02:04 |
| fromoze | Then tomorro y will try to get it | 02:04 |
| Riddell | thanks | 02:04 |
| fromoze | I wanted to reinstall to try lvm | 02:04 |
| fromoze | see you tomorrow ;) | 02:04 |
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| jjesse | is there a kubuntu-devel-annoucne mailing list like there is for ubuntu-devel-announce?' | 04:38 |
| robotgeek | jjesse: probably not | 04:54 |
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| robotgeek | howdy freeflying | 06:08 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: hi | 06:08 |
| robotgeek | translations seem to be going well | 06:12 |
| freeflying | hehe, there have lots to be done for chinese | 06:13 |
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| Hobbsee | robotgeek: lol. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=930501&postcount=12 | 06:34 |
| === robotgeek thinks everyone on that thread is not using dapper | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:36 |
| Hobbsee | yes, i get that impression too. but i liked the new acronym | 06:37 |
| robotgeek | yeah, funny | 06:37 |
| robotgeek | btw, i completed the qt frontend to EU, now making it work on dapper | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | EU? | 06:38 |
| robotgeek | EasyUbuntu | 06:38 |
| Hobbsee | ah nice :) | 06:38 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: will installing gstreamer stuff on dapper Kubuntu screw something up? | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: i doubt it, but you never know | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | dont think i've had a rpoblem before.. | 06:39 |
| hendry | is there someplace i can see the kdebase changelog online? | 06:50 |
| hendry | aha https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+changelog | 06:55 |
| freeflying | hendry: subscribe to dapper-changes mailing list | 06:57 |
| hendry | freeflying: ok | 06:57 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: there are lots linux basics in kubuntu desktopguide , such as the explaining of dircections , basic cammand | 07:09 |
| hendry | freeflying: do you use skim? | 07:11 |
| hendry | it still seem broken in my daily | 07:11 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: yes, same as in the ubuntu desktopguide | 07:12 |
| freeflying | hendry: ya | 07:13 |
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| freeflying | robotgeek: it's about 1/7 of the whole , quite lots | 07:13 |
| freeflying | hendry: skim works smoothly on my daily upgrade system | 07:13 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: well, just basics :P | 07:14 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: version 0.6.5 of guidance is now up ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) | 08:35 |
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| superstoned | just tried ubuntu. looks great (amazingly cool theme, tough the icons still suck), and it's fast. pitty they are held back by firefox - slow and not good looking. | 10:47 |
| superstoned | kubuntu interferes with ubuntu, btw - icons, style... | 10:47 |
| superstoned | and its even another user... | 10:47 |
| superstoned | ubuntu throws all apps in the menu without submenu's so it gets crowded there. | 10:48 |
| superstoned | gonnay try the menu editor in a few minutes ;-) | 10:48 |
| superstoned | rythmbox has a nice interface, but after a few minutes i already get annoyed. doesn't resume playing, search doesn't work very well, clicking the close while it is in systray doesn't minimize to systray but quit - that's ok, but its not configurable so my music stops now and then... | 10:50 |
| superstoned | doesn't show koffice in office menu | 10:52 |
| superstoned | and its much slower on resizing a window, flickers like hell... | 10:52 |
| superstoned | hmmmm, am i *subconsiously* looking for problems? ;-) | 10:52 |
| superstoned | LOVE the look, btw | 10:55 |
| superstoned | and the automatically resizing tab's in the terminal are cool. btw windows/style look really good. | 10:55 |
| superstoned | but i NEED an always on top button on the windeco - no way i can find to change it. THATs something i love in KDE: you always know where to change stuff: want to change something? right mouse click on it, preferences - there it is. works almost always. almost never in gnome :( | 10:56 |
| Tm_T | superstoned: yeah | 11:00 |
| Tm_T | superstoned: and then again, too often new users doesn't seem to know there's more than one button in mouse | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | :p | 11:01 |
| superstoned | hmmm | 11:01 |
| superstoned | well, i can't live with it | 11:01 |
| superstoned | this goes as every time i used gnome - love it at first sight, after 5 min i discover nothing works the way I WANT IT | 11:01 |
| Tm_T | superstoned: Gnome is... agh, it's somewhat nice but yet restrictive | 11:02 |
| Tm_T | superstoned: golden cage | 11:02 |
| Riddell | _Sime: cool, although it'll have to wait until after beta release | 11:04 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: morning :) | 11:05 |
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| Tm_kde4 | whooosh | 12:16 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I was afraid of that... | 12:19 |
| Tm_T | hmm, no cmake in repositories? :O | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | ah there is | 12:20 |
| Tm_T | old one :p | 12:20 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: freeflying did an UVFe, not sure what came of it | 12:21 |
| Tm_T | oh ok | 12:21 |
| Tm_T | anyway, current cmake used in KDE4 development(?), 2.3.4-* something, has one little but painful issue: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2006-April/002449.html | 12:22 |
| Tm_T | I ended up moving some files in and out | 12:23 |
| Lure | Riddell: why is koffice kept back for me (I have used 1.5 repo) | 12:25 |
| Riddell | Lure: no idea | 12:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: apt-get install koffice tels me: | 12:27 |
| Lure | koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 12:27 |
| Lure | (and same for other dependant packages) | 12:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: nothing urgent, I just get annoyed by this Attention sign in the tray (adept_notifier) ;-) | 12:28 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: Riddell I've pinged dholbach for cmake's UVFe , hope it can be approved this time | 12:45 |
| Tm_T | yay! | 12:45 |
| Tm_T | sounds good | 12:45 |
| Tm_T | freeflying: I hope it's not that problematic version | 12:45 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: upstream author have said he will release 2.4 soon , hope it can be soon | 12:46 |
| Tm_T | aah, good good | 12:47 |
| Riddell | freeflying: do you think we can move /usr/lib/libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8 to scim-gtk2-immodule ? | 12:51 |
| Riddell | that would stop skim bringing in gtk/pango/etc | 12:51 |
| freeflying | Riddell: just a moment | 01:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: shall we talked with minghua . | 01:21 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sure | 01:23 |
| Riddell | when he's around | 01:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell: but haven't seen him here for a long time | 01:23 |
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| superstoned | Tm_T | 02:34 |
| superstoned | exactly, golden cage | 02:34 |
| superstoned | :D | 02:34 |
| Riddell | hello patwack | 02:34 |
| Tm_T | superstoned: yeah | 02:34 |
| superstoned | has some nice things, may VERY well done config dialogues, many better than KDE (kde dev's could just have a peek at how the gnomes did layout some dialogues, and KDE would be more usable in a short time. tough the KDE devs are already improving here) | 02:35 |
| superstoned | problem: /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: undefined symbol:_ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi (when trying to print). i need to log out and in again? | 02:36 |
| Riddell | superstoned: hmm | 02:38 |
| superstoned | there ARE new KDE packages, i'm installing them now. | 02:38 |
| Riddell | what new packages? | 02:38 |
| superstoned | but as i do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a few times a day, they can't be old :D | 02:38 |
| superstoned | kdelibs (0ubuntu6), some xorg, ubuntu-desktop | 02:39 |
| superstoned | i'll try to log out and in again, we'll see how it goes then. | 02:39 |
| superstoned | (after installation - almost finished) | 02:40 |
| superstoned | Setting up kdelibs-bin (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ... | 02:40 |
| superstoned | Setting up kdelibs4c2a (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) | 02:40 |
| superstoned | Setting up kdelibs4-dev (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ... | 02:40 |
| superstoned | Setting up kdelibs (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) . | 02:40 |
| superstoned | ready | 02:40 |
| superstoned | didnt even have to log out | 02:42 |
| superstoned | its fixed now | 02:42 |
| superstoned | maybe just ksycoca needed to run or something like that | 02:42 |
| superstoned | it works now anyway, sorry Riddell :D | 02:42 |
| OdyX | Riddell: I have some broken packages (koffice)... | 02:44 |
| OdyX | Could it be due to Tonio's repo ? | 02:44 |
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| Lure | OdyX: is not Tonio's repo, but do you also use koffice15 repo? | 03:11 |
| OdyX | Lure: I do. | 03:12 |
| Lure | me to and have same problem... | 03:12 |
| Lure | maybe something went into main repo and is now in conflict with koffice15 repo... | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: what problem is this? | 03:13 |
| OdyX | koffice is in version 1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1 and requests k[all-components] with that version, but they don't exist. | 03:13 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: koffice is kept back | 03:13 |
| Lure | if you try to install, you get this | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 03:13 |
| Lure | koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 03:13 |
| Lure | (many messages like this) | 03:13 |
| Riddell | Lure: dapper or breezy? | 03:14 |
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| OdyX | Riddell: Dapper, with koffice-latest and Tonio's repos | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | hi Riddell | 03:15 |
| Riddell | hi Hobbsee | 03:17 |
| Riddell | well for some reason the other 1.1 packages didn't upload, how strange | 03:18 |
| OdyX | Riddell: We do have only koffice ... | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | there were other people who reported problems with the koffice too, installing ones. i dont remember what they were, right this minute, though | 03:18 |
| Riddell | OdyX: yeah, probably my fault although I'm not sure how, anyway I'm uploading the rest now | 03:20 |
| OdyX | Riddell: Good :D | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | have they gotten any further with the exception for main yet? or is that still waiting? | 03:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no response yet | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | mmm ok | 03:22 |
| === Hobbsee makes two mental notes, one: to call the smash repairer, and two: to try out koffice when the packages are fixed | ||
| === Hobbsee wonders if there's anything shes' forgotten :P | ||
| Tm_T | me? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | you? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | what about you? | 03:24 |
| Tm_T | ...I don't know | 03:24 |
| Tm_T | just thought you should remember me? | 03:24 |
| === Tm_T hides | ||
| Hobbsee | oh...well...yeah...like i remember everyone else here... | 03:25 |
| Tm_T | :p | 03:25 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: some day you'll understand part of my humour, tiny part :p | 03:25 |
| Hobbsee | Tm_T: oh i do now, really. i've just been to work tonight, and that always involves some form of harrassment... | 03:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: dapper | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | oh!!! | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping | 03:26 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | woo! brain has come back! | 03:26 |
| Hobbsee | is kwifimanager going to be depreciated, now that knetworkmanager has come out? what should we do with those bug reports? | 03:27 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee: oh, that doesn't sound fun | 03:27 |
| jjesse | i like knetworkmanager :) | 03:27 |
| Riddell | plan is for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: so do i! it works | 03:27 |
| Riddell | knetworkmanager won't be on the CD as I understand it (following network-manager-gnome) | 03:27 |
| Lure | jjesse: good - have just seen your update to KubuntuDapperBeta - nice that your are taking care of this | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right...and so the kwifimanager bugs should be closed, saying "use wlassistant instead"? | 03:28 |
| jjesse | Lure: thanks, i'm trying to stay on top of it | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | or should they be properly fixed? | 03:28 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not yet, it's not in main yet | 03:28 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: it helps when i travel to different branch offices and need to switch subnets | 03:28 |
| Lure | jjesse: do you plan to include screenshots? should we send you some? | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which isnt in main, wlassistant? | 03:28 |
| === Hobbsee will ignore them for the time being, then. | ||
| Riddell | yes, wlassistant is waiting on a main inclusion review | 03:28 |
| Hobbsee | speaking of which, anyone use kppp here? | 03:28 |
| === Hobbsee nods | ||
| === Riddell doesn't use kppp | ||
| === Hobbsee doesnt either, which means that those bug reports are getting ignored | ||
| jjesse | i haven't tried to get my modem to work so i don't use kppp as well | 03:30 |
| Riddell | just like they get ignored in KDE too, it's a shame | 03:30 |
| Hobbsee | mmm ok...so set to need info, asking if they're reproducable now? | 03:31 |
| Riddell | since nothing has changed with kppp any problems people have will likely still be there | 03:32 |
| Hobbsee | lol...poor | 03:32 |
| Riddell | it's the sort of thing that's pretty difficult for us to debug | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | that's true | 03:33 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: so the next thing I will make is the adept icon for the panel | 03:52 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: cool | 03:55 |
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| Riddell | superstoned: how is printing working for you now? | 04:04 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: ping? | 04:21 |
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| jjesse | Hobbsee: pong | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: about where to find kubuntu bugs - the bugs are done by source packages. so either search for bugs assigned to kubuntu-bugs (you miss some that way, but it's a good start), or search for each of the kde metapacakges - eg. kdepim, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdebase, etc | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | at least, that's all i've found so far | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | there's ones for amarok, and kaffeine as well | 04:42 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: thanks | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: not a problem :) | 04:42 |
| freeflying | Riddell: we'd better mail to debian's mailing list for a discuss (libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8.1.0 issue) | 04:43 |
| Riddell | freeflying: hmm, ok | 04:44 |
| freeflying | Riddell: this will be better pkg-ime-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org | 04:45 |
| Riddell | freeflying: can yu do that? | 04:46 |
| Riddell | s/yu/you/ | 04:46 |
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| Hobbsee | night all.. | 04:46 |
| freeflying | Riddell: you know I'm not good at English , I don't know if I can sxpress clearly :) | 04:47 |
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| Riddell | what was the system settings admin problem people were having? | 05:05 |
| Tm_T | there's one thing annoying me, when I rightclick desktop -> Configure Desktop -> ...there's no more monitor settings | 05:07 |
| Tm_T | oh well, not big problem, but got used to it :) | 05:07 |
| cmvo | Riddell: Hi! Admin problems, again? :-) | 05:07 |
| Riddell | cmvo: not sure, people were talking about something the other day but I can't find it now | 05:08 |
| Riddell | guidance seems to not let you click Apply when something has changed | 05:08 |
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| cmvo | Riddell: I saw something scrolling by yesterday, but didn't have the time to ask. | 05:09 |
| cmvo | Riddell: Hm, must admit, I never tried guidance, I'll have to take a closer look. | 05:10 |
| MidMark | Riddell: sometimes "apply" button isn't visible because the window is too small by default, but I think it's another problem | 05:12 |
| Riddell | _Sime: any comments on this? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/27457 | 05:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 27457 in kdebase kdm "on logout X should restart if xorg.conf was changed since last X login" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 05:16 |
| Riddell | I think it already was the case | 05:16 |
| Riddell | MidMark: yes, that's different | 05:16 |
| superstoned | riddell: about printing: after clicking on 'print' i get: "An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes" but it goes on and works fine. | 05:17 |
| cmvo | Riddell: userconfig seems to work creating an deleting user accounts. But it complains about "Double QObject deletion" on exit. | 05:22 |
| freeflying | Riddell: can zeroconf works now ? | 05:23 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yes, if you install avahi-daemon | 05:31 |
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| MidMark | ops, sorry | 05:35 |
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| cmvo | Riddell: BTW, the new colors and background are looking good, at lot less gloomy. | 05:47 |
| jeroenvrp | hi folks | 05:47 |
| jeroenvrp | quick question | 05:47 |
| jeroenvrp | I try to mount a ntfs-usb-drive | 05:48 |
| jeroenvrp | it only mounts readonly | 05:48 |
| jeroenvrp | i've installed the ntfstools | 05:48 |
| jeroenvrp | still readonly | 05:48 |
| Riddell | cmvo: yeah, hug kwwii | 05:48 |
| jeroenvrp | how to mount it read-write? | 05:48 |
| robotgeek | jeroenvrp: umask stuff, i would guess | 05:48 |
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| Riddell | robotgeek: no | 05:48 |
| Riddell | jeroenvrp: -o rw or the like | 05:49 |
| robotgeek | hmm, okay | 05:49 |
| Riddell | but it might need linux modules, I'm not sure | 05:49 |
| Riddell | it's also not a kubuntu-devel question :) | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/sdb1/ | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | yeah yeah :-) | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system | 05:49 |
| jeroenvrp | not anymore, but it doesnt work | 05:52 |
| jeroenvrp | :-( | 05:52 |
| jeroenvrp | /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) | 05:53 |
| cmvo | jeroenvrp: If it hasn't changed recently ntfs in linux is read-only. | 05:54 |
| jjesse | Riddell: will espresso be the installer for beta and if so how do i get screen shots of it to post on KubuntuDapperBeta ? | 05:54 |
| jeroenvrp | cmvo: I thoughr the ntfstools can make it read write | 05:55 |
| Riddell | jjesse: on the live CD it will be yes | 05:56 |
| Riddell | jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso/screenshots/ but I'll try and take some more up to date ones in a bit | 05:56 |
| jdong | cmvo: using libntfs in fuse offers decent read-write | 05:58 |
| kwwii | Riddell: what resolution did you make those screenshots at? | 05:58 |
| jdong | it'll seemingly randomly refuse to do some actions, but I've yet to have it corrupt.... | 05:58 |
| kwwii | Riddell: and did you resize the window or does it always pop up with those proportions? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | kwwii: 1024x786 and that's what it opens as | 06:01 |
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| cmvo | jeroenvrp: ntfsprogs/tools contains ntfsmount, maybe take a look at that. but this is getting too OT :-) | 06:03 |
| jeroenvrp | cmvo: yes I've been there, I'm reading the manual right now of linux-ntfs | 06:04 |
| jeroenvrp | wont bother you anymore | 06:04 |
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| cmvo | kwwii: Hi! The new colors and background look very good. | 06:05 |
| Riddell | mornfall: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667407 some adept queries on kubuntu-devel mailing list recently | 06:08 |
| verwilst | i like the new colors too :) | 06:10 |
| verwilst | they're blue... but a happy blue | 06:10 |
| verwilst | :) | 06:10 |
| verwilst | add polyester and i'm sold ;) | 06:10 |
| Riddell | koffice archive should be fixed | 06:10 |
| superstoned | verwilst, kwii love to see polyester, too ;-) | 06:16 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: new todo for you :) Espresso icon, crystalise http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.svg | 06:23 |
| kwwii | cmvo: thanks, good to hear that people like it! | 06:24 |
| kwwii | Riddell: cool :-) | 06:24 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: I assume we want a kubuntu logo instead of the orange ubuntu one? | 06:26 |
| kwwii | for the espresso icon, I mean | 06:27 |
| kwwii | hehe, at least jimmac took the big red Novell "N" off the box ;-) | 06:28 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: yes please | 06:31 |
| jeroenvrp | seems like my kernel (k7) has only support for read-only ntfs: NTFS driver 2.1.25 [Flags: R/O MODULE] . | 06:32 |
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| fromoze | Riddell: ping | 06:43 |
| Riddell | hi fromoze | 06:44 |
| fromoze | hi, espresso has crash again, | 06:44 |
| fromoze | did I send you by mail the log? | 06:44 |
| fromoze | or just pastebin it? - i'm on live-cd now - | 06:44 |
| Riddell | fromoze: can you apt-get update && apt-get install espresso espresso-frontend-kde | 06:44 |
| Riddell | make sure it's installing at least version .52 | 06:45 |
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| fromoze | 0.99.50 <-- i'm trying to upgrade | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | hey | 06:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: beta1 released in a couple of days now.... shouldn't we ping people to get at least knetworkmanager and kmplayer in main ? | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | I though knetworkmanager was supposed to fit on the live cd... | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | sounds a bit frustratig since network-manager-gnome went in main without any inclusion report and in a couple of days only........ | 06:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's too late for beta, we're in heavy freeze now until beta release is done | 06:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: pitti did say he'd do them last week, but I guess not | 06:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I think we will not have anything in main if we don't push it a bit :) | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | everyone is on bugfixing actually.... | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | gnome isn't supposed to receive new main packages, so maybe they just "forgot" kde | 06:50 |
| Tonio_ | and thanks for k-d-s uploading too :) | 06:51 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I'll poke pitti again at the distro meeting, but there's only so much poking we can do | 06:53 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: true......... | 06:53 |
| jeroenvrp | sorry to bother you again, but | 06:53 |
| jeroenvrp | I've found the solution | 06:54 |
| jeroenvrp | you also have to install fuse-utils | 06:54 |
| jeroenvrp | so fuse-utils should be a dependency of ntfsprogs | 06:55 |
| jeroenvrp | its not | 06:55 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: solution to what ? | 06:55 |
| fromoze | Riddell: well, updating I can get the step 3 and it reconices my selected locale, I continue | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: that I could not mount a usb ntfs-drive readwrite | 06:56 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: what is your kernel version actually ? | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | Linux k-uptown 2.6.15-20-k7 | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | oops my hostname | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | ah you my ip | 06:56 |
| jeroenvrp | thats the same | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | anyhow, its not a kernel-problem | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | should be supported yes | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | but a missed dependency of ntfs-progs | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: contact the package maintainer :) | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | it should also install fuse-utils | 06:57 |
| fromoze | Riddell: but, not photo at all | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | yeah I will | 06:57 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks | 06:57 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: David Martnez Moreno <ender@debian.org> | 06:58 |
| Tonio_ | and for ubuntu...... let me check | 06:58 |
| Riddell | fromoze: photo? | 06:58 |
| fromoze | map | 06:58 |
| fromoze | I mean, to chose the town | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: same guy concerning the ubuntu package | 06:59 |
| Riddell | fromoze: no, the map isn't implemented yet | 07:00 |
| Riddell | fromoze: but can you choose it from the drop down box? | 07:00 |
| cmvo | Riddell: It does not seem to be an admin mode problem with the guidance modules. Just the feedback from the | 07:00 |
| fromoze | Riddell: yes, but, I can't change the date... | 07:01 |
| cmvo | Riddell: modules doesn't reach system settings and apply is not activated. | 07:01 |
| fromoze | It crash, I'm gonna check the log | 07:01 |
| Riddell | cmvo: from any modules? | 07:02 |
| cmvo | Riddell: I seems only the four guidance modules.' | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since you removed the system:/ patch, openoffice causes issues when opening files again....... | 07:06 |
| Riddell | I wonder if the new guidance will fix that | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no pb on my profile, but on a new one, it crashes | 07:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, I have a patch for openoffice but it's not in yet | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you patch desktop files ? I was just making a working patch for this :) | 07:07 |
| cmvo | Riddell: s/I/It/ :-) | 07:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I did | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nice :) | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and concerning adept, any news from mornfall ? cause I have a solution, but that might sound weird ;) | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | remove any arguments in the command in desktop files, and that works nicelly | 07:08 |
| mornfall | concerning mornfall, he's back from vacation | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: ho you're there ;) | 07:08 |
| Riddell | yay :) | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: fine ? | 07:08 |
| mornfall | concerning .desktop, that's a workaround that i know about :-)) | 07:08 |
| mornfall | i'll enable it for final release if noone finds out why it really happens | 07:08 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: I'd like to understand what are those arguments usefull to ? | 07:09 |
| cmvo | Riddell: I got guidance 0.6.4, are newer packages available somewhere? | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | just for my personnal knowledge :) | 07:09 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: it's a matter of principle, there's a latent bug in either adept or kdesu or somewhere | 07:09 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: i would like to have it *fixed*, not worked around | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: okay | 07:09 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: it may jump out at me in a much worse form later | 07:09 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: so workaround is known and can be used if the cause is not found | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: I was just wondering what about ;) thanks for the explanation :) | 07:10 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: as for parameters, they are there to make it possible to customize icon in .desktop file | 07:10 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: without them, the icon would be hardcoded in binary | 07:10 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: ah ok ! | 07:10 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: so you would get different icon in taskbar than in menu | 07:10 |
| mornfall | which is not too nice | 07:10 |
| Riddell | cmvo: newer source is available from simonzone.com, I haven't packaged it yet | 07:11 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: yup | 07:11 |
| Riddell | http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ | 07:11 |
| mornfall | but it's not too widespread to have it changed from default, so not critical | 07:11 |
| fromoze | Riddell: Neither in spanish or english I can change date, feature? | 07:11 |
| Riddell | fromoze: change what data? | 07:12 |
| Riddell | oh, date | 07:12 |
| mornfall | so i'll have to run now | 07:12 |
| Riddell | fromoze: using the button? | 07:12 |
| mornfall | be back in, hmm, 30? maybe 20 | 07:12 |
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| fromoze | Riddell: yes | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is systemsettings in dapper the latest ? | 07:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I did an SVN snapshot last week | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | cause there is one or two desktop files that miss french translation, I may change that | 07:12 |
| Riddell | the desktop files come from kcontrol | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | for example appearence is still in english, but the content of the section is now correctly localized | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so there is a bug ;) | 07:13 |
| Riddell | fromoze: probably my fault, I'll test that once these live CDs have finished downloading | 07:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: does system settings have a french translation? | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, let me show you | 07:14 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png | 07:17 |
| cmvo | verwilst: polyester looks nice. do you know if packages for polyester 0.9 are available? | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning guidance modules, I translated them this WE | 07:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but there are still a few desktop files that are not localised | 07:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: guidance modules will need to wait for 0.6.15 which will be after beta | 07:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as long as it is ok for june ;) | 07:19 |
| Riddell | the other ones I'm not sure about, they may be systemsetting's doing | 07:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm investigating | 07:20 |
| Riddell | yes, it's /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-appearance.directory | 07:23 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot | 07:25 |
| Riddell | fromoze: hmm, "Set Time..." works for me, it loads the kcontrol time modules | 07:26 |
| fromoze | Riddell: not for me :( | 07:27 |
| fromoze | in spanish at least | 07:27 |
| Riddell | fromoze: any error message in /var/log/installer/espresso ? | 07:27 |
| fromoze | I copy it in pastebit | 07:28 |
| fromoze | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667571 | 07:29 |
| verwilst | cmvo: 0.6.5 is the last one | 07:30 |
| verwilst | ask a UVF exception thingy? | 07:30 |
| Riddell | fromoze: what city did you select? | 07:30 |
| fromoze | Madrid | 07:30 |
| fromoze | Riddell: Madrid, in English, it works | 07:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: translating :) | 07:31 |
| fromoze | Riddell: and, once it has work in english... in spanish to! :/ | 07:31 |
| fromoze | s/to/too | 07:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it that part of the translation linked to the pot file ? cause I remember I already gave you the french translation for this.... | 07:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .pot files | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 07:33 |
| Riddell | er no | 07:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .desktop files | 07:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay ;) | 07:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: there's no desktop_playground-base.po for fr in SVN | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | will be done in a couple of minutes | 07:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I didn't the first pot only maybe | 07:34 |
| === Tonio_ thinks it is time for kde apps to be in rosetta, that would help a lot :) | ||
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:35 |
| Riddell | most of them are | 07:35 |
| Riddell | but not the .desktop file .pos | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know, just kidding :) | 07:35 |
| fromoze | Riddell: Even, I cancel the installation and restart it in spanish and "Establecer Fecha" works again. Can I continue the installation or did you need more info? | 07:35 |
| jeroenvrp | Tonio_: fyi: I've mailed the ntfsprogs maintainer | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: most universe patched applications are not | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is there a plan for universe apps before dapper+1 ? | 07:35 |
| Riddell | fromoze: "Establecer Fecha" is "Set Time"? | 07:35 |
| Tonio_ | jeroenvrp: great ;) | 07:36 |
| fromoze | Riddell: yes | 07:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: not for dapper, I don't know about after you'd need to ask carlos | 07:36 |
| Riddell | fromoze: ok thanks, I'll test that some more | 07:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will thanks :) let you work now | 07:36 |
| fromoze | Riddell: if you want me to do something, may be reboot and try again? | 07:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will ping pitti for koffice-i18n packages to be added to language packs | 07:37 |
| === Tonio_ thinks about a batch file to ping people.... that could help :) | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, don't | 07:38 |
| Riddell | fromoze: yes, sure, let me know what happens | 07:38 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: koffice UFVe exception decision will be taken after beta release | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ? you asked me too a few days ago, did something change ? | 07:39 |
| fromoze | Riddell: i Reboot | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that could concern koffice 1.4 since we have krita in actually too no ? | 07:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: then carlos will upload the correct koffice ones to rosetta | 07:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah oki :) | 07:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it was discussed in #ubuntu-devel the other day | 07:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: understood :) | 07:40 |
| Riddell | Lure: koffice archive should be fixed | 07:41 |
| Lure | Riddell: thanks, will check now | 07:41 |
| Lure | btw, kword 1.5 is much better in terms of stability - it does not crash on most of MS .doc documents I need to open during the day | 07:43 |
| === Lure likes it as it starts in 20% of time of OOo Writer | ||
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| jeroenvrp | Lure: but OOo still has better support voor doc-files, like writing to it. | 07:45 |
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| Lure | jeroenvrp: I do not use it for writing - I still need to use VMPlayer with real office fo that :-( | 07:48 |
| Lure | but for my simple documents Koffice is just great | 07:49 |
| jeroenvrp | Lure: OOo can write with almost no problems, never had any real problems with it, especially not with 2.0.* | 07:49 |
| jeroenvrp | Lure: but this is more a question dor #kubuntu | 07:49 |
| Lure | jeroenvrp: I had and I can not afford to send .doc to customer that do not open in his old/new Office... | 07:50 |
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| fromoze | Riddell: Last try I haven't do a dist-upgrade, just install espresso and espresso-frontend-kde and the I let upgrading in a shell because maximize-buttom on kwin looks broken and I see an artwork upgrade. This time I do dist-upgrade before trying espresso and I "time set" has work using spanish. Sorry, it was my fault. | 07:58 |
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| allee | FWIW: after today update everytime I start print dialog I get a dialog: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes. So something changed between Thursday and today | 08:11 |
| allee | click on [ok] on the error dialog and printing works still fine | 08:12 |
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| _Sime | Riddell: did you upload the .pot file for guidance to rosetta? | 08:18 |
| Riddell | _Sime: it should be in the guidance sounce package as I remember | 08:20 |
| Riddell | in which case it'll get imported into rosetta this week | 08:21 |
| _Sime | I just noticed that it was on rosetta; I didn't upload it there yet. So I was just wondering. | 08:21 |
| _Sime | I also updated the pot file in the guidance tarball. | 08:21 |
| Lure | allee: same here | 08:21 |
| Lure | I think kdeprint patches are still work in progress, but Riddell should know more... | 08:22 |
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| fromoze | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667677<-- it looks I finally can't install dapper from the live :/ It crashes; I'm using a sata hd, but I can't uderstand what's the error on the log | 08:26 |
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| allee | Lure: thx. good to know it's not a local problem ;) I hope KDEPrint is fixed in time and something better than cups beta1 (rc2 is out already) will be ready for dapper ;) | 08:39 |
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| Lure | allee: I have seen that pitti is already testing rc2 and he got deveeloper working on fixing kde print - looking good | 08:40 |
| allee | Lure: whow! Great news! Looks like I'll change our printer server from sarge to dapper ASAP :) | 08:42 |
| kmon | jjesse: hi, I have a small suggestion for this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta | 08:44 |
| kmon | jjesse: you should include a brief section on system settings. It's far more usable in dapper than in breezy, and it brings the brand new guidance display module | 08:45 |
| kmon | jjesse: also, I think espresso-kde could fit in :) | 08:46 |
| kmon | I understand it's a work in progress.... just giving suggestions | 08:46 |
| kmon | :) | 08:46 |
| jjesse | kmon: thanks, it is still a work in prgoress so i will keep looking into it | 08:49 |
| kmon | jjesse: nice | 08:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm a bit embarrased with "Panel" | 09:02 |
| Tonio_ | it is untranslatable in french, and concerning the content of that module, I don't see the difference with "desktop" | 09:03 |
| Tonio_ | in kcontrol everything is in two modules, while we use 3 for systemsettings... and I don't understand the reason they have been splitted | 09:05 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: I doubt that we can put the adept box icon in the triangle and make it work at 22x22 and 16x16 (the normal panel sizes)) | 09:14 |
| kwwii | talking about the adept updater icon of course | 09:14 |
| kwwii | I will try to make a adept box icon with the triangle more like an emblem on top of it | 09:15 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 09:46 |
| Flosoft | is there any news bout the Release of Kubuntu Dapper? | 09:46 |
| kwwii | Flosoft: what kind of news? | 09:46 |
| Flosoft | well release date? | 09:47 |
| Flosoft | as I am mirroring it ... so it would be great to get some news bout the release | 09:47 |
| kwwii | google gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule | 09:48 |
| kmon | Flosoft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta | 09:48 |
| kmon | maybe that's what you where looking after? | 09:48 |
| Flosoft | ok | 09:48 |
| kmon | It's a work in progress btw | 09:48 |
| Flosoft | yup | 09:48 |
| Flosoft | June 2006 | 09:48 |
| Lure | mornfall: ping | 09:49 |
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| kwwii | omg, I have been installing this on my production machine! | 09:50 |
| Lure | kwwii: hope that it is production quality ;-) | 09:51 |
| _Sime | Dapper has been solid for me. Perhaps (much) better than Breezy already. | 09:52 |
| kwwii | Lure: to some extent I came into this whole thing pretty late in the game (which I amused to from other linux companies)...I hope that the artwork turns out well | 09:53 |
| kmon | Dapper is coming out great :) | 09:53 |
| kwwii | s/amused/am used | 09:53 |
| Lure | kwwii: it is turning better and better with each update... | 09:54 |
| kwwii | sometimes I think my proper title would be art-terrorist" | 09:54 |
| Lure | lol | 09:54 |
| jjesse | the release notes are current for whoever was looking for information | 09:54 |
| kwwii | "change this pic after hard freeze or I will ruin your dist.!" | 09:55 |
| kwwii | random acts of spontaneous and unprovoked artwork | 09:56 |
| kmon | kwwii: lol | 09:59 |
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| kmon | is there any way to configure the positioning of kde's notifications? like kopete's? | 10:08 |
| Tonio_ | chut le voila :) | 10:08 |
| kmon | it would be nice to have those notifications above kicker | 10:11 |
| kwwii | kmon, good point | 10:13 |
| kwwii | with my laptop, using gimpl and such, I changed the position of the amarok notifications because it covered my windows every 5 minutes | 10:13 |
| kwwii | I mean, one click and it is gone, but when I am concentrating on something it sucks | 10:14 |
| kmon | They aren't very visible on current position | 10:15 |
| kmon | I would love to have amarok's notification instead of current ones, all over kde | 10:16 |
| kmon | :) | 10:16 |
| kmon | they look better | 10:16 |
| toma | kmon: the standard kPassivePopup appears near the tray icon, there is no influence possible, unless writing you your own class based on that class | 10:17 |
| kmon | :/ | 10:18 |
| kmon | when I have kmail minimized in tray and mail arrives the notification shows in the upper right corner of my desktop... | 10:18 |
| kwwii | yeah, amarok is a killer app in that it takes a step ahead | 10:19 |
| toma | kmon: i remember the maintainer of that class asking for features for kde4. So contact him about it. | 10:19 |
| kwwii | I love amarok | 10:19 |
| kmon | mmm | 10:19 |
| toma | kmon: dont understand that. I thought the new mail counts was in the icon in the tray | 10:20 |
| toma | -s | 10:20 |
| kmon | yes | 10:20 |
| mornfall | Lure: pong | 10:20 |
| kmon | but I've configured kmail to show a notification when new mail arrives | 10:20 |
| mornfall | Lure: 5 minutes or so | 10:20 |
| kmon | and it appears in the upper right corner when kmail in minimized in the tray | 10:21 |
| Lure | mornfall: how add/remove programs decides what goes in KDE, what in GNOME and what in Other? | 10:21 |
| toma | ah, ok, and that pops up at the top, while your tray is at the bottom? | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Lure: debtags | 10:21 |
| Lure | kpowersave is in other, for example | 10:21 |
| kmon | toma: yes | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Lure: it's not tagged/wrongly tagged then | 10:21 |
| mornfall | Lure: debtags.alioth.debian.org | 10:21 |
| Lure | mornfall: thanks, will look into this and try to fix it for some packages. | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Lure: or debtags help | 10:22 |
| mornfall | Lure: debtags tag add kpowersave suite::kde | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Lure: debtags submit | 10:23 |
| Lure | mornfall: thanks - will do this! | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Lure: you can add/rm a lot and submit at once | 10:23 |
| mornfall | Lure: changes are stored in ~/.debtags/patch | 10:24 |
| kmon | kwwii: amarok rocks, can't wait to see what they're planning for kde4 | 10:24 |
| kmon | well... I can't wait for kd4 itself | 10:25 |
| toma | kmon: is that detailed new mail notification? | 10:25 |
| kmon | toma: ? | 10:25 |
| toma | kmon: can you show me where that setting is? | 10:26 |
| kwwii | among other things, I am working on the oxygen icons for kde4, so I am know what you mean about "I can't wait" :-)) | 10:27 |
| kwwii | lol | 10:27 |
| kmon | toma: In system settings-> Sound & multimedia -> system notifications. Select kmail from the drop down list | 10:27 |
| kmon | kwwii: are you going to show off some of that work or leave it as a trade secret until kde4 preview? | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:28 |
| jjesse | Riddell: did you get my email about kubuntu docs spec? | 10:29 |
| toma | kmon: ah, thats not kmail specific... | 10:30 |
| kwwii | kmon: we are about a month or two away from the first pre-release | 10:32 |
| kwwii | pre-release release | 10:32 |
| kwwii | :-)= | 10:32 |
| kmon | :) | 10:32 |
| kwwii | well, we will put it into svn and make it downloadable as theme | 10:32 |
| kwwii | etc | 10:32 |
| kwwii | basically we want to make sure that we have all major, important icons done before we release anything | 10:33 |
| kmon | I understand | 10:35 |
| kmon | my problem is that I want kde4 now :) | 10:35 |
| kwwii | hehe | 10:35 |
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| toma | kwwii: two months? thats optimistic | 10:36 |
| kwwii | kmon: you've seen the stuff on the oxygen-icons.org or? that is a small preview | 10:36 |
| kwwii | toma: well, we have been doing a lot recently | 10:37 |
| kwwii | and we are going to meet for a week to do nothing but draw | 10:37 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:37 |
| kmon | I saw a blog from (you?) about the development of oxygen | 10:37 |
| kwwii | so I think that we can make it | 10:37 |
| kwwii | probably | 10:37 |
| kmon | its looking good | 10:37 |
| kwwii | me, or david or nuno | 10:37 |
| toma | kwwii: cool! keep up the good work! | 10:37 |
| kwwii | well, maybe three months | 10:38 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:38 |
| kwwii | we will meet in the first week of june or the last week of may | 10:38 |
| kwwii | depending on how much work is still due for dapper | 10:38 |
| kmon | how is espresso-kde comming along? | 10:39 |
| kwwii | kmon: are you asking me that? | 10:40 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:40 |
| kmon | I'm asking anyone who knows :) | 10:40 |
| kwwii | actually, after I saw the screenshots I made some mockups for how it could be improved graphically | 10:40 |
| kmon | I'm sorry for not being too clear | 10:40 |
| kwwii | but nobody has seen them yet :-) | 10:41 |
| kmon | ohh | 10:41 |
| kwwii | there are nifty screenshots | 10:41 |
| kmon | hehe | 10:41 |
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| kmon | kwwii: show them to Riddell :) | 10:46 |
| kwwii | kmon: oh, I will, don't worry | 10:48 |
| kwwii | but I think it would be better to let him get this beta out the door first | 10:48 |
| kmon | sure | 10:48 |
| kmon | it's my "can't wait" syndrome | 10:49 |
| kwwii | hehe | 10:49 |
| kwwii | I can understand that | 10:49 |
| kmon | for kde4, do you kde artists plan to redo the main website? | 10:51 |
| kmon | artwork wise | 10:51 |
| kwwii | hehe | 10:51 |
| kwwii | you know all the good questions | 10:51 |
| kmon | hehe | 10:51 |
| kwwii | that is a very political issue | 10:51 |
| kwwii | which I cannot answer | 10:52 |
| kmon | I know al the "trade secret" questions? | 10:52 |
| kwwii | even though I could tell you what I would like to do :-) | 10:52 |
| kwwii | but that might not reflect the opinions of others | 10:52 |
| kmon | I understand... | 10:52 |
| kmon | but I think it needs a revamp | 10:52 |
| kwwii | yeah, I think so too | 10:53 |
| kwwii | and now the domain is owned by someone else | 10:53 |
| kmon | some pictures will be nice... gnome's website looks prettier than kde's . | 10:53 |
| kwwii | and we got into a "discussion" about the art for 3.5 and since then things just suck | 10:53 |
| kwwii | oh, we are working on new templates for all kde.org sites | 10:54 |
| kwwii | :-) | 10:54 |
| kmon | nice :) | 10:54 |
| kwwii | it is really cool, and very different | 10:54 |
| verwilst | screenshots? | 10:54 |
| kmon | can't wait ;) | 10:54 |
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| kwwii | nothing open yet, still discussing it with the kde-www-devel team , etc. | 10:55 |
| kwwii | deciding on a CMS etc | 10:55 |
| kwwii | which seems to take the most time | 10:55 |
| kwwii | we will make a test implementation for the akademy website soon | 10:56 |
| kwwii | so that will be the implementation of the first steps toward a new design | 10:57 |
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