[12:10] <OdyX> kmon: Well... Version: 6.9.0-8.23.7+2.6.15.8-1
[12:10] <OdyX> I don't know... but this is the version I could have if needed.
[12:10] <kmon> ati released 8.24.8
[12:11] <kmon> it supports many x10xxx cards
[12:11] <kmon> and I've read resolves issues with kdm (but I don't know if this is correct)
[12:12] <kmon> I'm having issues with kdm and fglrx: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/36897/+index
[12:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36897 in kdm "blank screen on quit (no usplash)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[12:12] <kmon> so that's my main interest
[12:12] <kmon> but I imagine many people with new laptops will like the addition
[12:13] <OdyX> kmon: I'm on the other side of the force: nvidia
[12:14] <OdyX> sorry, I cannot do much more than apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx
[12:14] <kmon> OdyX: I'm running dapper :)
[12:16] <OdyX> kmon: I do even...
[12:16] <OdyX> kmon: but no special interest on Compiz (impossible to run Boinc...)
[12:17] <kmon> OdyX: I'm not interested in compiz either
[12:17] <OdyX> kmon: so what ?
[12:17] <OdyX> kmon: download kororaa.... burn a CD and hold it with your laptop... :D
[12:18] <OdyX> Then, when demo is necessary, take the CD, put it in reader, reboot and SHOW !
[12:19] <kmon> kororra hangs my laptop
[12:19] <kmon> it's a known issue with ati drivers
[12:20] <OdyX> woops then :D
[12:20] <OdyX> but wait for 0.3, they will probably include last drivers which you seem to say they comply...
[12:30] <kmon> sure
[12:30] <kmon> ok, time to sleep....
[12:30] <kmon> good night everyone here
[12:31] <OdyX> 'night kmon.
[12:31] <kmon> bye
[01:01] <Riddell> kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0496.JPG
[01:01] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0497.JPG
[01:01] <Riddell> not sure how useful those are with my shaky hand
[01:02] <Riddell> but the beta image looks really bad, especially round the bottom of the letters
[01:02] <OdyX> Riddell: this is intended to be the usplash for beta ?
[01:02] <kwwii> Riddell: thanks for posting those
[01:03] <Riddell> OdyX: yes
[01:03] <Riddell> kwwii: however the scaling is just right
[01:03] <kwwii> Riddell: I expected that the bottoms would do exactly that...good
[01:03] <OdyX> Riddell: would not like to make something funny starting "beta" from the b of Kubuntu ?
[01:03] <kwwii> Riddell: killer - that is the part that I was scared of
[01:04] <kwwii> Riddell: taking a 14 color pic, scaling it, and then adding extra text to it is simply too much
[01:04] <kwwii> but the kubuntu stuff should be about final, or?
[01:04] <kwwii> I wonder how the syslinux pic looks like
[01:05] <kwwii> there is a test program somewhere in the gfxboot stuff, I think
[01:05] <Riddell> kwwii: I don't understand why it makes it look bad, the "beta" text doesn't contain any new colours
[01:05] <kwwii> Riddell: well, it changes the weight of which color is used most
[01:06] <kwwii> Riddell: and therefor effects the alpha (anti-aliasing) to indexed color conversion
[01:07] <kwwii> Riddell: of course, I could make it *really* nasty block text after doing the colormapping
[01:08] <kwwii> s/effects/affects
[01:09] <kwwii> the question that we haven't answered yet (and I guess I am the only person thinking about it) is whether or not the colormaps for all pics fit the programs
[01:09] <Riddell> ok, I need to work out how to do that again
[01:09] <kwwii> if we have made a mistake and some important text is really dark blue on a black bg it will be considered a major bug
[01:10] <kwwii> believe me, I have been there and done 
[01:10] <kwwii> that
[01:11] <kwwii> the colormap for the Usplash is good, we tested that
[01:12] <kwwii> but I do not know what other stuff is used
[01:12] <kwwii> I have only installed twice
[01:12] <kwwii> :-)
[01:12] <kwwii> time to buy my wife a new computer :-)
[01:12] <OdyX> kwwii: XD
[01:14] <kwwii> a simple cheap intel machine is what I need
[01:14] <kwwii> anyway....
[01:14] <kwwii> Riddell: is grub using a pic now or is it text?
[01:16] <kwwii> Riddell: and do you know if there is any text shown when you first boot from the CD? (syslinux)
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, syslinux has a menu now
[01:17] <Riddell> kwwii: grub doesn't use a picture
[01:17] <kwwii> I put black as the first entry in the colormap but I think that grub and syslinux want white to be the last entry as well
[01:18] <kwwii> and we have it at 8 for the Usplash
[01:18] <kwwii> so I would need to change that for those pics, if that is the case
[01:18] <kwwii> but I do not know the packages for *buntu
[01:20] <kwwii> I am sure that someone will scream if it the first beta is borked because of that :-)
[01:22] <Riddell> kwwii: on kubuntu non-beta the "ok" white text is not white
[01:22] <Riddell> it's a dark blue
[01:22] <Riddell> on kubuntu beta it is white
[01:22] <kwwii> Riddell: we are talking about the Usplash, right?
[01:23] <Riddell> yes
[01:24] <kwwii> ok, I should be able to fix that, one second
[01:24] <kwwii> hehe, I forgot to add the white to the pic
[01:24] <kwwii> oops
[01:24] <kwwii> see, that is why I wanted to test this stuff
[01:25] <Riddell> same for the ubuntu pics, no white
[01:25] <kwwii> ouch...I guess I thought that the beta pics were final at first
[01:25] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0498.JPG
[01:25] <kwwii> thanks for mentioning it
[01:25] <Riddell> to 502
[01:26] <kwwii> man that logo looks bad
[01:31] <kwwii> dude, the ubuntu splash stuff looks just as bad with the beta as without :-(
[01:43] <kwwii> Riddell: mail sent with new pic(s), thanks again
[01:44] <kwwii> for taking the time to test both
[01:49] <kwwii> time for bed now
[01:49] <kwwii> night all
[02:00] <fromoze> Hi, I was trying to install dapper using expresso with monday's daily-live but when I try tu chose spanish Expresso disappears.
[02:00] <Riddell> fromoze: got a backtrace?
[02:00] <fromoze> Could it be a problem with the daily-liver or expresso works actually only for an english installation?
[02:01] <Riddell> it should work fine, but wouldn't surprise me if there was a problem
[02:02] <fromoze> no, I just finished the back-up of the hd and I was looking about downloading a new version of the live in the night to play tomorrow with :D
[02:02] <Riddell> there's not been any changes
[02:02] <Riddell> but I'll look into it tomorrow
[02:03] <fromoze> then, I must insist tomorrow with a spanish installation and try to get a backtrace?
[02:03] <fromoze> I mean, isn't a feature the problem, may be a bug.
[02:04] <Riddell> yes, it'll be a bug, a backtrace would be useful
[02:04] <fromoze> Then tomorro y will try to get it
[02:04] <Riddell> thanks
[02:04] <fromoze> I wanted to reinstall to try lvm
[02:04] <fromoze> see you tomorrow ;)
[04:38] <jjesse> is there a kubuntu-devel-annoucne mailing list like there is for ubuntu-devel-announce?'
[04:54] <robotgeek> jjesse: probably not
[06:08] <robotgeek> howdy freeflying 
[06:08] <freeflying> robotgeek: hi
[06:12] <robotgeek> translations seem to be going well
[06:13] <freeflying> hehe, there have lots to be done for chinese 
[06:34] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: lol.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=930501&postcount=12
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:37] <Hobbsee> yes, i get that impression too.  but i liked the new acronym
[06:37] <robotgeek> yeah, funny
[06:38] <robotgeek> btw, i completed the qt frontend to EU, now making it work on dapper
[06:38] <Hobbsee> EU?
[06:38] <robotgeek> EasyUbuntu
[06:38] <Hobbsee> ah nice :)
[06:39] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: will installing gstreamer stuff on dapper Kubuntu screw something up?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: i doubt it, but you never know
[06:39] <Hobbsee> dont think i've had a rpoblem before..
[06:50] <hendry> is there someplace i can see the kdebase changelog online?
[06:55] <hendry> aha https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+changelog
[06:57] <freeflying> hendry: subscribe to dapper-changes mailing list
[06:57] <hendry> freeflying: ok
[07:09] <freeflying> robotgeek: there are lots linux basics in kubuntu desktopguide , such as the explaining of dircections , basic cammand 
[07:11] <hendry> freeflying: do you use skim?
[07:11] <hendry> it still seem broken in my daily
[07:12] <robotgeek> freeflying: yes, same as in the ubuntu desktopguide
[07:13] <freeflying> hendry: ya
[07:13] <freeflying> robotgeek: it's about 1/7 of the whole , quite lots
[07:13] <freeflying> hendry: skim works smoothly on my daily upgrade system
[07:14] <robotgeek> freeflying: well, just basics :P
[08:35] <_Sime> Riddell: version 0.6.5 of guidance is now up ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ )
[10:47] <superstoned> just tried ubuntu. looks great (amazingly cool theme, tough the icons still suck), and it's fast. pitty they are held back by firefox - slow and not good looking.
[10:47] <superstoned> kubuntu interferes with ubuntu, btw - icons, style...
[10:47] <superstoned> and its even another user...
[10:48] <superstoned> ubuntu throws all apps in the menu without submenu's so it gets crowded there.
[10:48] <superstoned> gonnay try the menu editor in a few minutes ;-)
[10:50] <superstoned> rythmbox has a nice interface, but after a few minutes i already get annoyed. doesn't resume playing, search doesn't work very well, clicking the close while it is in systray doesn't minimize to systray but quit - that's ok, but its not configurable so my music stops now and then...
[10:52] <superstoned> doesn't show koffice in office menu
[10:52] <superstoned> and its much slower on resizing a window, flickers like hell...
[10:52] <superstoned> hmmmm, am i *subconsiously* looking for problems? ;-)
[10:55] <superstoned> LOVE the look, btw
[10:55] <superstoned> and the automatically resizing tab's in the terminal are cool. btw windows/style look really good.
[10:56] <superstoned> but i NEED an always on top button on the windeco - no way i can find to change it. THATs something i love in KDE: you always know where to change stuff: want to change something? right mouse click on it, preferences - there it is. works almost always. almost never in gnome :(
[11:00] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah
[11:01] <Tm_T> superstoned: and then again, too often new users doesn't seem to know there's more than one button in mouse
[11:01] <Tm_T> :p
[11:01] <superstoned> hmmm
[11:01] <superstoned> well, i can't live with it
[11:01] <superstoned> this goes as every time i used gnome - love it at first sight, after 5 min i discover nothing works the way I WANT IT
[11:02] <Tm_T> superstoned: Gnome is... agh, it's somewhat nice but yet restrictive
[11:02] <Tm_T> superstoned: golden cage
[11:04] <Riddell> _Sime: cool, although it'll have to wait until after beta release
[11:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: morning :)
[12:16] <Tm_kde4> whooosh
[12:19] <_Sime> Riddell: I was afraid of that...
[12:20] <Tm_T> hmm, no cmake in repositories? :O
[12:20] <Tm_T> ah there is
[12:20] <Tm_T> old one :p
[12:21] <Riddell> Tm_T: freeflying did an UVFe, not sure what came of it
[12:21] <Tm_T> oh ok
[12:22] <Tm_T> anyway, current cmake used in KDE4 development(?), 2.3.4-* something, has one little but painful issue: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2006-April/002449.html
[12:23] <Tm_T> I ended up moving some files in and out
[12:25] <Lure> Riddell: why is koffice kept back for me (I have used 1.5 repo)
[12:26] <Riddell> Lure: no idea
[12:27] <Lure> Riddell: apt-get install koffice tels me:
[12:27] <Lure> koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[12:27] <Lure> (and same for other dependant packages)
[12:28] <Lure> Riddell: nothing urgent, I just get annoyed by this Attention sign in the tray (adept_notifier) ;-)
[12:45] <freeflying> Tm_T: Riddell I've pinged dholbach for cmake's UVFe , hope it can be approved this time 
[12:45] <Tm_T> yay!
[12:45] <Tm_T> sounds good
[12:45] <Tm_T> freeflying: I hope it's not that problematic version
[12:46] <freeflying> Tm_T: upstream author have said he will release 2.4 soon , hope it can be soon
[12:47] <Tm_T> aah, good good
[12:51] <Riddell> freeflying: do you think we can move /usr/lib/libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8 to scim-gtk2-immodule ?
[12:51] <Riddell> that would stop skim bringing in gtk/pango/etc
[01:00] <freeflying> Riddell: just a moment
[01:21] <freeflying> Riddell: shall we talked with minghua .
[01:23] <Riddell> freeflying: sure
[01:23] <Riddell> when he's around
[01:23] <freeflying> Riddell: but haven't seen him here for a long time 
[02:34] <superstoned> Tm_T
[02:34] <superstoned> exactly, golden cage
[02:34] <superstoned> :D
[02:34] <Riddell> hello patwack 
[02:34] <Tm_T> superstoned: yeah
[02:35] <superstoned> has some nice things, may VERY well done config dialogues, many better than KDE (kde dev's could just have a peek at how the gnomes did layout some dialogues, and KDE would be more usable in a short time. tough the KDE devs are already improving here)
[02:36] <superstoned> problem:  /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: undefined symbol:_ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi (when trying to print). i need to log out and in again?
[02:38] <Riddell> superstoned: hmm
[02:38] <superstoned> there ARE new KDE packages, i'm installing them now.
[02:38] <Riddell> what new packages?
[02:38] <superstoned> but as i do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a few times a day, they can't be old :D
[02:39] <superstoned> kdelibs (0ubuntu6), some xorg, ubuntu-desktop
[02:39] <superstoned> i'll try to log out and in again, we'll see how it goes then.
[02:40] <superstoned> (after installation - almost finished)
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs-bin (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ...
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs4c2a (3.5.2-0ubuntu6)
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs4-dev (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ...
[02:40] <superstoned> Setting up kdelibs (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) .
[02:40] <superstoned> ready
[02:42] <superstoned> didnt even have to log out
[02:42] <superstoned> its fixed now
[02:42] <superstoned> maybe just ksycoca needed to run or something like that
[02:42] <superstoned> it works now anyway, sorry Riddell :D
[02:44] <OdyX> Riddell: I have some broken packages (koffice)...
[02:44] <OdyX> Could it be due to Tonio's repo ?
[03:11] <Lure> OdyX: is not Tonio's repo, but do you also use koffice15 repo?
[03:12] <OdyX> Lure: I do.
[03:12] <Lure> me to and have same problem...
[03:13] <Lure> maybe something went into main repo and is now in conflict with koffice15 repo...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: what problem is this?
[03:13] <OdyX> koffice is in version 1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1 and requests k[all-components]  with that version, but they don't exist.
[03:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: koffice is kept back
[03:13] <Lure> if you try to install, you get this
[03:13] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:13] <Lure> koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:13] <Lure> (many messages like this)
[03:14] <Riddell> Lure: dapper or breezy?
[03:15] <OdyX> Riddell: Dapper, with koffice-latest and Tonio's repos
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[03:17] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[03:18] <Riddell> well for some reason the other 1.1 packages didn't upload, how strange
[03:18] <OdyX> Riddell: We do have only koffice ...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> there were other people who reported problems with the koffice too, installing ones.  i dont remember what they were, right this minute, though
[03:20] <Riddell> OdyX: yeah, probably my fault although I'm not sure how, anyway I'm uploading the rest now
[03:20] <OdyX> Riddell: Good :D
[03:21] <Hobbsee> have they gotten any further with the exception for main yet?  or is that still waiting?
[03:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no response yet
[03:22] <Hobbsee> mmm ok
[03:23] <Tm_T> me?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> you?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> what about you?
[03:24] <Tm_T> ...I don't know
[03:24] <Tm_T> just thought you should remember me?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh...well...yeah...like i remember everyone else here...
[03:25] <Tm_T> :p
[03:25] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: some day you'll understand part of my humour, tiny part :p
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: oh i do now, really.  i've just been to work tonight, and that always involves some form of harrassment...
[03:26] <Lure> Riddell: dapper
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh!!!
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[03:26] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> woo!  brain has come back!
[03:27] <Hobbsee> is kwifimanager going to be depreciated, now that knetworkmanager has come out?  what should we do with those bug reports?
[03:27] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: oh, that doesn't sound fun
[03:27] <jjesse> i like knetworkmanager :)
[03:27] <Riddell> plan is for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jjesse: so do i!  it works
[03:27] <Riddell> knetworkmanager won't be on the CD as I understand it (following network-manager-gnome)
[03:27] <Lure> jjesse: good - have just seen your update to KubuntuDapperBeta - nice that your are taking care of this
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right...and so the kwifimanager bugs should be closed, saying "use wlassistant instead"?
[03:28] <jjesse> Lure: thanks, i'm trying to stay on top of it
[03:28] <Hobbsee> or should they be properly fixed?
[03:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not yet, it's not in main yet
[03:28] <jjesse> Hobbsee: it helps when i travel to different branch offices and need to switch subnets
[03:28] <Lure> jjesse: do you plan to include screenshots? should we send you some?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which isnt in main, wlassistant?
[03:28] <Riddell> yes, wlassistant is waiting on a main inclusion review
[03:28] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, anyone use kppp here?
[03:30] <jjesse> i haven't tried to get my modem to work so i don't use kppp as well
[03:30] <Riddell> just like they get ignored in KDE too, it's a shame
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mmm ok...so set to need info, asking if they're reproducable now?
[03:32] <Riddell> since nothing has changed with kppp any problems people have will likely still be there
[03:32] <Hobbsee> lol...poor
[03:33] <Riddell> it's the sort of thing that's pretty difficult for us to debug
[03:33] <Hobbsee> that's true
[03:52] <kwwii> Riddell: so the next thing I will make is the adept icon for the panel
[03:55] <Riddell> kwwii: cool
[04:04] <Riddell> superstoned: how is printing working for you now?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ping?
[04:41] <jjesse> Hobbsee: pong
[04:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: about where to find kubuntu bugs - the bugs are done by source packages.  so either search for bugs assigned to kubuntu-bugs (you miss some that way, but it's a good start), or search for each of the kde metapacakges - eg. kdepim, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdebase, etc
[04:42] <Hobbsee> at least, that's all i've found so far
[04:42] <Hobbsee> there's ones for amarok, and kaffeine as well
[04:42] <jjesse> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:42] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not a problem :)  
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddell: we'd better mail to debian's mailing list for a discuss (libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8.1.0 issue)
[04:44] <Riddell> freeflying: hmm, ok
[04:45] <freeflying> Riddell: this will be better pkg-ime-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
[04:46] <Riddell> freeflying: can yu do that?
[04:46] <Riddell> s/yu/you/
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night all..
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: you know I'm not good at English , I don't know if I can sxpress clearly  :)
[05:05] <Riddell> what was the system settings admin problem people were having?
[05:07] <Tm_T> there's one thing annoying me, when I rightclick desktop -> Configure Desktop -> ...there's no more monitor settings
[05:07] <Tm_T> oh well, not big problem, but got used to it :)
[05:07] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Admin problems, again? :-)
[05:08] <Riddell> cmvo: not sure, people were talking about something the other day but I can't find it now
[05:08] <Riddell> guidance seems to not let you click Apply when something has changed
[05:09] <cmvo> Riddell: I saw something scrolling by yesterday, but didn't have the time to ask.
[05:10] <cmvo> Riddell: Hm, must admit, I never tried guidance, I'll have to take a closer look.
[05:12] <MidMark> Riddell: sometimes "apply" button isn't visible because the window is too small by default, but I think it's another problem
[05:16] <Riddell> _Sime: any comments on this?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/27457
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27457 in kdebase kdm "on logout X should restart if xorg.conf was changed since last X login" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  
[05:16] <Riddell> I think it already was the case
[05:16] <Riddell> MidMark: yes, that's different
[05:17] <superstoned> riddell: about printing: after clicking on 'print' i get: "An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes" but it goes on and works fine.
[05:22] <cmvo> Riddell: userconfig seems to work creating an deleting user accounts. But it complains about "Double QObject deletion" on exit.
[05:23] <freeflying> Riddell: can zeroconf works now ?
[05:31] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if you install avahi-daemon
[05:35] <MidMark> ops, sorry
[05:47] <cmvo> Riddell: BTW, the new colors and background are looking good, at lot less gloomy.
[05:47] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[05:47] <jeroenvrp> quick question
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> I try to mount a ntfs-usb-drive
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> it only mounts readonly
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> i've installed the ntfstools
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> still readonly
[05:48] <Riddell> cmvo: yeah, hug kwwii 
[05:48] <jeroenvrp> how to mount it read-write?
[05:48] <robotgeek> jeroenvrp: umask stuff, i would guess
[05:48] <Riddell> robotgeek: no
[05:49] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: -o rw or the like
[05:49] <robotgeek> hmm, okay
[05:49] <Riddell> but it might need linux modules, I'm not sure
[05:49] <Riddell> it's also not a kubuntu-devel question :)
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/sdb1/
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> yeah yeah :-)
[05:49] <jeroenvrp> mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> not anymore, but it doesnt work
[05:52] <jeroenvrp> :-(
[05:53] <jeroenvrp>  /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[05:54] <cmvo> jeroenvrp: If it hasn't changed recently ntfs in linux is read-only.
[05:54] <jjesse> Riddell: will espresso be the installer for beta and if so how do i get screen shots of it to post on KubuntuDapperBeta ?
[05:55] <jeroenvrp> cmvo: I thoughr the ntfstools can make it read write
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: on the live CD it will be yes
[05:56] <Riddell> jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso/screenshots/  but I'll try and take some more up to date ones in a bit
[05:58] <jdong> cmvo: using libntfs in fuse offers decent read-write
[05:58] <kwwii> Riddell: what resolution did you make those screenshots at?
[05:58] <jdong> it'll seemingly randomly refuse to do some actions, but I've yet to have it corrupt....
[05:59] <kwwii> Riddell: and did you resize the window or does it always pop up with those proportions?
[06:01] <Riddell> kwwii: 1024x786 and that's what it opens as
[06:03] <cmvo> jeroenvrp: ntfsprogs/tools contains ntfsmount, maybe take a look at that. but this is getting too OT :-)
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> cmvo: yes I've been there, I'm reading the manual right now of linux-ntfs
[06:04] <jeroenvrp> wont bother you anymore
[06:05] <cmvo> kwwii: Hi! The new colors and background look very good.
[06:08] <Riddell> mornfall: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667407  some adept queries on kubuntu-devel mailing list recently
[06:10] <verwilst> i like the new colors too :)
[06:10] <verwilst> they're blue... but a happy blue
[06:10] <verwilst> :)
[06:10] <verwilst> add polyester and i'm sold ;)
[06:10] <Riddell> koffice archive should be fixed
[06:16] <superstoned> verwilst, kwii love to see polyester, too ;-)
[06:23] <Riddell> kwwii: new todo for you :)  Espresso icon, crystalise http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.svg
[06:24] <kwwii> cmvo: thanks, good to hear that people like it!
[06:24] <kwwii> Riddell: cool :-)
[06:26] <kwwii> Riddell: I assume we want a kubuntu logo instead of the orange ubuntu one?
[06:27] <kwwii> for the espresso icon, I mean
[06:28] <kwwii> hehe, at least jimmac took the big red Novell "N" off the box ;-)
[06:31] <Riddell> kwwii: yes please
[06:32] <jeroenvrp> seems like my kernel (k7) has only support for read-only ntfs:  NTFS driver 2.1.25 [Flags: R/O MODULE] .
[06:43] <fromoze> Riddell: ping
[06:44] <Riddell> hi fromoze 
[06:44] <fromoze> hi, espresso has crash again, 
[06:44] <fromoze> did I send you by mail the log?
[06:44] <fromoze> or just pastebin it? - i'm on live-cd now -
[06:44] <Riddell> fromoze: can you apt-get update && apt-get install espresso espresso-frontend-kde
[06:45] <Riddell> make sure it's installing at least version .52
[06:46] <fromoze>  0.99.50 <-- i'm trying to upgrade
[06:46] <Tonio_> hey
[06:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: beta1 released in a couple of days now.... shouldn't we ping people to get at least knetworkmanager and kmplayer in main ?
[06:48] <Tonio_> I though knetworkmanager was supposed to fit on the live cd...
[06:49] <Tonio_> sounds a bit frustratig since network-manager-gnome went in main without any inclusion report and in a couple of days only........
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's too late for beta, we're in heavy freeze now until beta release is done
[06:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: pitti did say he'd do them last week, but I guess not
[06:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I think we will not have anything in main if we don't push it a bit :)
[06:50] <Tonio_> everyone is on bugfixing actually....
[06:50] <Tonio_> gnome isn't supposed to receive new main packages, so maybe they just "forgot" kde
[06:51] <Tonio_> and thanks for k-d-s uploading too :)
[06:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll poke pitti again at the distro meeting, but there's only so much poking we can do
[06:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: true.........
[06:53] <jeroenvrp> sorry to bother you again, but
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> I've found the solution
[06:54] <jeroenvrp> you also have to install fuse-utils
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> so fuse-utils should be a dependency of ntfsprogs
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> its not 
[06:55] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: solution to what ?
[06:56] <fromoze> Riddell: well, updating I can get the step 3 and it reconices my selected locale, I continue
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: that I could not mount a usb ntfs-drive readwrite
[06:56] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: what is your kernel version actually ?
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> Linux k-uptown 2.6.15-20-k7
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> oops my hostname
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> ah you my ip
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> thats the same
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> anyhow, its not a kernel-problem
[06:57] <Tonio_> should be supported yes
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> but a missed dependency of ntfs-progs
[06:57] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: contact the package maintainer :)
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> it should also install fuse-utils
[06:57] <fromoze> Riddell: but, not photo at all
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> yeah I will
[06:57] <jeroenvrp> thanks
[06:58] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: David Martnez Moreno <ender@debian.org>
[06:58] <Tonio_> and for ubuntu...... let me check
[06:58] <Riddell> fromoze: photo?
[06:58] <fromoze> map
[06:59] <fromoze> I mean, to chose the town
[06:59] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: same guy concerning the ubuntu package
[07:00] <Riddell> fromoze: no, the map isn't implemented yet
[07:00] <Riddell> fromoze: but can you choose it from the drop down box?
[07:00] <cmvo> Riddell: It does not seem to be an admin mode problem with the guidance modules. Just the feedback from the
[07:01] <fromoze> Riddell: yes, but, I can't change the date... 
[07:01] <cmvo> Riddell: modules doesn't reach system settings and apply is not activated.
[07:01] <fromoze> It crash, I'm gonna check the log
[07:02] <Riddell> cmvo: from any modules?
[07:04] <cmvo> Riddell: I seems only the four guidance modules.'
[07:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: since you removed the system:/ patch, openoffice causes issues when opening files again.......
[07:06] <Riddell> I wonder if the new guidance will fix that
[07:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb on my profile, but on a new one, it crashes
[07:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, I have a patch for openoffice but it's not in yet
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you patch desktop files ? I was just making a working patch for this :)
[07:07] <cmvo> Riddell: s/I/It/ :-)
[07:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: nice :)
[07:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: and concerning adept, any news from mornfall ? cause I have a solution, but that might sound weird ;)
[07:08] <Tonio_> remove any arguments in the command in desktop files, and that works nicelly
[07:08] <mornfall> concerning mornfall, he's back from vacation
[07:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: ho you're there ;)
[07:08] <Riddell> yay :)
[07:08] <Tonio_> mornfall: fine ?
[07:08] <mornfall> concerning .desktop, that's a workaround that i know about :-))
[07:08] <mornfall> i'll enable it for final release if noone finds out why it really happens
[07:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'd like to understand what are those arguments usefull to ?
[07:09] <cmvo> Riddell: I got guidance 0.6.4, are newer packages available somewhere?
[07:09] <Tonio_> just for my personnal knowledge :)
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: it's a matter of principle, there's a latent bug in either adept or kdesu or somewhere
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: i would like to have it *fixed*, not worked around
[07:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: okay
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: it may jump out at me in a much worse form later
[07:09] <mornfall> Tonio_: so workaround is known and can be used if the cause is not found
[07:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: I was just wondering what about ;) thanks for the explanation :)
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: as for parameters, they are there to make it possible to customize icon in .desktop file
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: without them, the icon would be hardcoded in binary
[07:10] <Tonio_> mornfall: ah ok !
[07:10] <mornfall> Tonio_: so you would get different icon in taskbar than in menu
[07:10] <mornfall> which is not too nice
[07:11] <Riddell> cmvo: newer source is available from simonzone.com, I haven't packaged it yet
[07:11] <Tonio_> mornfall: yup
[07:11] <Riddell> http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/
[07:11] <mornfall> but it's not too widespread to have it changed from default, so not critical
[07:11] <fromoze> Riddell: Neither in spanish or english I can change date, feature?
[07:12] <Riddell> fromoze: change what data?
[07:12] <Riddell> oh, date
[07:12] <mornfall> so i'll have to run now
[07:12] <Riddell> fromoze: using the button?
[07:12] <mornfall> be back in, hmm, 30? maybe 20
[07:12] <fromoze> Riddell: yes
[07:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: is systemsettings in dapper the latest ?
[07:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did an SVN snapshot last week
[07:12] <Tonio_> cause there is one or two desktop files that miss french translation, I may change that
[07:13] <Riddell> the desktop files come from kcontrol
[07:13] <Tonio_> for example appearence is still in english, but the content of the section is now correctly localized
[07:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: so there is a bug ;)
[07:13] <Riddell> fromoze: probably my fault, I'll test that once these live CDs have finished downloading
[07:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: does system settings have a french translation?
[07:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, let me show you
[07:17] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png
[07:17] <cmvo> verwilst: polyester looks nice. do you know if packages for polyester 0.9 are available?
[07:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning guidance modules, I translated them this WE
[07:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: but there are still a few desktop files that are not localised
[07:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: guidance modules will need to wait for 0.6.15 which will be after beta
[07:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: as long as it is ok for june ;)
[07:20] <Riddell> the other ones I'm not sure about, they may be systemsetting's doing
[07:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm investigating
[07:23] <Riddell> yes, it's /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-appearance.directory
[07:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot
[07:26] <Riddell> fromoze: hmm, "Set Time..." works for me, it loads the kcontrol time modules
[07:27] <fromoze> Riddell: not for me :(
[07:27] <fromoze> in spanish at least
[07:27] <Riddell> fromoze: any error message in /var/log/installer/espresso ?
[07:28] <fromoze> I copy it in pastebit
[07:29] <fromoze> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667571
[07:30] <verwilst> cmvo: 0.6.5 is the last one
[07:30] <verwilst> ask a UVF exception thingy?
[07:30] <Riddell> fromoze: what city did you select?
[07:30] <fromoze> Madrid
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: Madrid, in English, it works
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: translating :)
[07:31] <fromoze> Riddell: and, once it has work in english... in spanish to! :/
[07:32] <fromoze> s/to/too
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: it that part of the translation linked to the pot file ? cause I remember I already gave you the french translation for this....
[07:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .pot files
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[07:33] <Riddell> er no
[07:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .desktop files
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay ;)
[07:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: there's no desktop_playground-base.po for fr in SVN
[07:34] <Tonio_> will be done in a couple of minutes
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't the first pot only maybe
[07:35] <Tonio_> hehe
[07:35] <Riddell> most of them are
[07:35] <Riddell> but not the .desktop file .pos
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know, just kidding :)
[07:35] <fromoze> Riddell: Even, I cancel the installation and restart it in spanish and "Establecer Fecha" works again. Can I continue the installation or did you need more info?
[07:35] <jeroenvrp> Tonio_: fyi: I've mailed the ntfsprogs maintainer
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: most universe patched applications are not
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a plan for universe apps before dapper+1 ?
[07:35] <Riddell> fromoze: "Establecer Fecha" is "Set Time"?
[07:36] <Tonio_> jeroenvrp: great ;)
[07:36] <fromoze> Riddell: yes
[07:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: not for dapper, I don't know about after you'd need to ask carlos
[07:36] <Riddell> fromoze: ok thanks, I'll test that some more
[07:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will thanks :) let you work now
[07:37] <fromoze> Riddell: if you want me to do something, may be reboot and try again? 
[07:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will ping pitti for koffice-i18n packages to be added to language packs
[07:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, don't
[07:38] <Riddell> fromoze: yes, sure, let me know what happens
[07:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: koffice UFVe exception decision will be taken after beta release
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell:  ? you asked me too a few days ago, did something change ?
[07:39] <fromoze> Riddell: i Reboot
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could concern koffice 1.4 since we have krita in actually too no ?
[07:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: then carlos will upload the correct koffice ones to rosetta
[07:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah oki :)
[07:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: it was discussed in #ubuntu-devel the other day
[07:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: understood :)
[07:41] <Riddell> Lure: koffice archive should be fixed
[07:41] <Lure> Riddell: thanks, will check now
[07:43] <Lure> btw, kword 1.5 is much better in terms of stability - it does not crash on most of MS .doc documents I need to open during the day
[07:45] <jeroenvrp> Lure: but OOo still has better support voor doc-files, like writing to it.
[07:48] <Lure> jeroenvrp: I do not use it for writing - I still need to use VMPlayer with real office fo that :-(
[07:49] <Lure> but for my simple documents Koffice is just great
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> Lure: OOo can write with almost no problems, never had any real problems with it, especially not with 2.0.*
[07:49] <jeroenvrp> Lure: but this is more a question dor #kubuntu
[07:50] <Lure> jeroenvrp: I had and I can not afford to send .doc to customer that do not open in his old/new Office...
[07:58] <fromoze> Riddell: Last try I haven't do a dist-upgrade, just install espresso and espresso-frontend-kde and the I let upgrading in a shell because maximize-buttom on kwin looks broken and I see an artwork upgrade. This time I do dist-upgrade before trying espresso and I "time set" has work using spanish. Sorry, it was my fault.
[08:11] <allee> FWIW: after today update everytime I start print dialog I get a dialog: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes. So something changed between Thursday and today
[08:12] <allee> click on [ok]  on the error dialog and printing works still fine
[08:18] <_Sime> Riddell: did you upload the .pot file for guidance to rosetta?
[08:20] <Riddell> _Sime: it should be in the guidance sounce package as I remember
[08:21] <Riddell> in which case it'll get imported into rosetta this week
[08:21] <_Sime> I just noticed that it was on rosetta; I didn't upload it there yet. So I was just wondering.
[08:21] <_Sime> I also updated the pot file in the guidance tarball.
[08:21] <Lure> allee: same here
[08:22] <Lure> I think kdeprint patches are still work in progress, but Riddell should know more...
[08:26] <fromoze> Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667677<-- it looks I finally can't install dapper from the live :/ It crashes; I'm using a sata hd, but I can't uderstand what's the error on the log
[08:39] <allee> Lure: thx. good to know it's not a local problem ;)  I hope KDEPrint is fixed in time and something better than cups beta1 (rc2 is out already) will be ready for dapper ;)
[08:40] <Lure> allee: I have seen that pitti is already testing rc2 and he got deveeloper working on fixing kde print - looking good
[08:42] <allee> Lure: whow!  Great news!  Looks like I'll change our printer server from sarge to dapper ASAP :)
[08:44] <kmon> jjesse: hi, I have a small suggestion for this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta
[08:45] <kmon> jjesse: you should include a brief section on system settings. It's far more usable in dapper than in breezy, and it brings the brand new guidance display module
[08:46] <kmon> jjesse: also, I think espresso-kde could fit in :)
[08:46] <kmon> I understand it's a work in progress.... just giving suggestions
[08:46] <kmon> :)
[08:49] <jjesse> kmon: thanks, it is still a work in prgoress so i will keep looking into it
[08:50] <kmon> jjesse: nice
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm a bit embarrased with "Panel"
[09:03] <Tonio_> it is untranslatable in french, and concerning the content of that module, I don't see the difference with "desktop"
[09:05] <Tonio_> in kcontrol everything is in two modules, while we use 3 for systemsettings... and I don't understand the reason they have been splitted
[09:14] <kwwii> Riddell: I doubt that we can put the adept box icon in the triangle and make it work at 22x22 and 16x16 (the normal panel sizes))
[09:14] <kwwii> talking about the adept updater icon of course
[09:15] <kwwii> I will try to make a adept box icon with the triangle more like an emblem on top of it
[09:46] <Flosoft> hey
[09:46] <Flosoft> is there any news bout the Release of Kubuntu Dapper?
[09:46] <kwwii> Flosoft: what kind of news?
[09:47] <Flosoft> well release date?
[09:47] <Flosoft> as I am mirroring it ... so it would be great to get some news bout the release
[09:48] <kwwii> google gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[09:48] <kmon> Flosoft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta
[09:48] <kmon> maybe that's what you where looking after?
[09:48] <Flosoft> ok
[09:48] <kmon> It's a work in progress btw
[09:48] <Flosoft> yup
[09:48] <Flosoft> June 2006
[09:49] <Lure> mornfall: ping
[09:50] <kwwii> omg, I have been installing this on my production machine!
[09:51] <Lure> kwwii: hope that it is production quality ;-)
[09:52] <_Sime> Dapper has been solid for me. Perhaps (much) better than Breezy already.
[09:53] <kwwii> Lure: to some extent I came into this whole thing pretty late in the game (which I amused to from other linux companies)...I hope that the artwork turns out well
[09:53] <kmon> Dapper is coming out great :)
[09:53] <kwwii> s/amused/am used
[09:54] <Lure> kwwii: it is turning better and better with each update...
[09:54] <kwwii> sometimes I think my proper title would be art-terrorist"
[09:54] <Lure> lol
[09:54] <jjesse> the release notes are current for whoever was looking for information
[09:55] <kwwii> "change this pic after hard freeze or I will ruin your dist.!"
[09:56] <kwwii> random acts of spontaneous and unprovoked artwork
[09:59] <kmon> kwwii: lol
[10:08] <kmon> is there any way to configure the positioning of kde's notifications? like kopete's?
[10:08] <Tonio_> chut le voila :)
[10:11] <kmon> it would be nice to have those notifications above kicker
[10:13] <kwwii> kmon, good point
[10:13] <kwwii> with my laptop, using gimpl and such, I changed the position of the amarok notifications because it covered my windows every 5 minutes
[10:14] <kwwii> I mean, one click and it is gone, but when I am concentrating on something it sucks
[10:15] <kmon> They aren't very visible on current position
[10:16] <kmon> I would love to have amarok's notification instead of current ones, all over kde
[10:16] <kmon> :)
[10:16] <kmon> they look better
[10:17] <toma> kmon: the standard kPassivePopup appears near the tray icon, there is no influence possible, unless writing you your own class based on that class
[10:18] <kmon> :/
[10:18] <kmon> when I have kmail minimized in tray and mail arrives the notification shows in the upper right corner of my desktop...
[10:19] <kwwii> yeah, amarok is a killer app in that it takes a step ahead
[10:19] <toma> kmon: i remember the maintainer of that class asking for features for kde4. So contact him about it.
[10:19] <kwwii> I love amarok
[10:19] <kmon> mmm
[10:20] <toma> kmon: dont understand that. I thought the new mail counts was in the icon in the tray
[10:20] <toma> -s
[10:20] <kmon> yes
[10:20] <mornfall> Lure: pong
[10:20] <kmon> but I've configured kmail to show a notification when new mail arrives
[10:20] <mornfall> Lure: 5 minutes or so
[10:21] <kmon> and it appears in the upper right corner when kmail in minimized in the tray
[10:21] <Lure> mornfall: how add/remove programs decides what goes in KDE, what in GNOME and what in Other?
[10:21] <toma> ah, ok, and that pops up at the top, while your tray is at the bottom?
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: debtags
[10:21] <Lure> kpowersave is in other, for example
[10:21] <kmon> toma: yes
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: it's not tagged/wrongly tagged then
[10:21] <mornfall> Lure: debtags.alioth.debian.org
[10:22] <Lure> mornfall: thanks, will look into this and try to fix it for some packages.
[10:22] <mornfall> Lure: or debtags help
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: debtags tag add kpowersave suite::kde
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: debtags submit
[10:23] <Lure> mornfall: thanks - will do this!
[10:23] <mornfall> Lure: you can add/rm a lot and submit at once
[10:24] <mornfall> Lure: changes are stored in ~/.debtags/patch
[10:24] <kmon> kwwii: amarok rocks, can't wait to see what they're planning for kde4
[10:25] <kmon> well... I can't wait for kd4 itself
[10:25] <toma> kmon: is that detailed new mail notification?
[10:25] <kmon> toma: ?
[10:26] <toma> kmon: can you show me where that setting is?
[10:27] <kwwii> among other things, I am working on the oxygen icons for kde4, so I am know what you mean about "I can't wait" :-))
[10:27] <kwwii> lol
[10:27] <kmon> toma: In system settings-> Sound & multimedia -> system notifications. Select kmail from the drop down list
[10:28] <kmon> kwwii:  are you going to show off some of that work or leave it as a trade secret until kde4 preview?
[10:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:29] <jjesse> Riddell: did you get my email about kubuntu docs spec?
[10:30] <toma> kmon: ah, thats not kmail specific... 
[10:32] <kwwii> kmon: we are about a month or two away from the first pre-release
[10:32] <kwwii> pre-release release
[10:32] <kwwii> :-)=
[10:32] <kmon> :)
[10:32] <kwwii> well, we will put it into svn and make it downloadable as theme
[10:32] <kwwii> etc
[10:33] <kwwii> basically we want to make sure that we have all major, important icons done before we release anything
[10:35] <kmon> I understand
[10:35] <kmon> my problem is that I want kde4 now :)
[10:35] <kwwii> hehe
[10:36] <toma> kwwii: two months? thats optimistic
[10:36] <kwwii> kmon: you've seen the stuff on the oxygen-icons.org or? that is a small preview
[10:37] <kwwii> toma: well, we have been doing a lot recently
[10:37] <kwwii> and we are going to meet for a week to do nothing but draw
[10:37] <kwwii> :-)
[10:37] <kmon> I saw a blog from (you?) about the development of oxygen
[10:37] <kwwii> so I think that we can make it
[10:37] <kwwii> probably
[10:37] <kmon> its looking good
[10:37] <kwwii> me, or david or nuno
[10:37] <toma> kwwii: cool! keep up the good work!
[10:38] <kwwii> well, maybe three months
[10:38] <kwwii> :-)
[10:38] <kwwii> we will meet in the first week of june or the last week of may
[10:38] <kwwii> depending on how much work is still due for dapper
[10:39] <kmon> how is espresso-kde comming along?
[10:40] <kwwii> kmon: are you asking me that?
[10:40] <kwwii> :-)
[10:40] <kmon> I'm asking anyone who knows :)
[10:40] <kwwii> actually, after I saw the screenshots I made some mockups for how it could be improved graphically
[10:40] <kmon> I'm sorry for not being too clear
[10:41] <kwwii> but nobody has seen them yet :-)
[10:41] <kmon> ohh
[10:41] <kwwii> there are nifty screenshots
[10:41] <kmon> hehe
[10:46] <kmon> kwwii: show them to Riddell :)
[10:48] <kwwii> kmon: oh, I will, don't worry
[10:48] <kwwii> but I think it would be better to let him get this beta out the door first
[10:48] <kmon> sure
[10:49] <kmon> it's my "can't wait" syndrome
[10:49] <kwwii> hehe
[10:49] <kwwii> I can understand that
[10:51] <kmon> for kde4, do you kde artists plan to redo the main website?
[10:51] <kmon> artwork wise
[10:51] <kwwii> hehe
[10:51] <kwwii> you know all the good questions
[10:51] <kmon> hehe
[10:51] <kwwii> that is a very political issue
[10:52] <kwwii> which I cannot answer
[10:52] <kmon> I know al the "trade secret" questions?
[10:52] <kwwii> even though I could tell you what I would like to do :-)
[10:52] <kwwii> but that might not reflect the opinions of others
[10:52] <kmon> I understand...
[10:52] <kmon> but I think it needs a revamp
[10:53] <kwwii> yeah, I think so too
[10:53] <kwwii> and now the domain is owned by someone else
[10:53] <kmon> some pictures will be nice... gnome's website looks prettier than kde's .
[10:53] <kwwii> and we got into a "discussion" about the art for 3.5 and since then things just suck
[10:54] <kwwii> oh, we are working on new templates for all kde.org sites
[10:54] <kwwii> :-)
[10:54] <kmon> nice :)
[10:54] <kwwii> it is really cool, and very different
[10:54] <verwilst> screenshots?
[10:54] <kmon> can't wait ;)
[10:55] <kwwii> nothing open yet, still discussing it with the kde-www-devel team , etc.
[10:55] <kwwii> deciding on a CMS etc
[10:55] <kwwii> which seems to take the most time
[10:56] <kwwii> we will make a test implementation for the akademy website soon
[10:57] <kwwii> so that will be the implementation of the first steps toward a new design