=== marseillai__ [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-98-18.w86-219.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] kmon: Well... Version: 6.9.0-8.23.7+2.6.15.8-1 [12:10] I don't know... but this is the version I could have if needed. [12:10] ati released 8.24.8 [12:11] it supports many x10xxx cards [12:11] and I've read resolves issues with kdm (but I don't know if this is correct) [12:12] I'm having issues with kdm and fglrx: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdm/+bug/36897/+index [12:12] Malone bug 36897 in kdm "blank screen on quit (no usplash)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [12:12] so that's my main interest [12:12] but I imagine many people with new laptops will like the addition [12:13] kmon: I'm on the other side of the force: nvidia [12:14] sorry, I cannot do much more than apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx [12:14] OdyX: I'm running dapper :) [12:16] kmon: I do even... [12:16] kmon: but no special interest on Compiz (impossible to run Boinc...) [12:17] OdyX: I'm not interested in compiz either [12:17] kmon: so what ? [12:17] kmon: download kororaa.... burn a CD and hold it with your laptop... :D [12:18] Then, when demo is necessary, take the CD, put it in reader, reboot and SHOW ! [12:19] kororra hangs my laptop [12:19] it's a known issue with ati drivers [12:20] woops then :D [12:20] but wait for 0.3, they will probably include last drivers which you seem to say they comply... [12:30] sure [12:30] ok, time to sleep.... [12:30] good night everyone here [12:31] 'night kmon. [12:31] bye === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:01] kwwii: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0496.JPG [01:01] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0497.JPG [01:01] not sure how useful those are with my shaky hand [01:02] but the beta image looks really bad, especially round the bottom of the letters [01:02] Riddell: this is intended to be the usplash for beta ? [01:02] Riddell: thanks for posting those [01:03] OdyX: yes [01:03] kwwii: however the scaling is just right [01:03] Riddell: I expected that the bottoms would do exactly that...good [01:03] Riddell: would not like to make something funny starting "beta" from the b of Kubuntu ? [01:03] Riddell: killer - that is the part that I was scared of [01:04] Riddell: taking a 14 color pic, scaling it, and then adding extra text to it is simply too much [01:04] but the kubuntu stuff should be about final, or? [01:04] I wonder how the syslinux pic looks like [01:05] there is a test program somewhere in the gfxboot stuff, I think [01:05] kwwii: I don't understand why it makes it look bad, the "beta" text doesn't contain any new colours [01:05] Riddell: well, it changes the weight of which color is used most [01:06] Riddell: and therefor effects the alpha (anti-aliasing) to indexed color conversion [01:07] Riddell: of course, I could make it *really* nasty block text after doing the colormapping [01:08] s/effects/affects [01:09] the question that we haven't answered yet (and I guess I am the only person thinking about it) is whether or not the colormaps for all pics fit the programs [01:09] ok, I need to work out how to do that again [01:09] if we have made a mistake and some important text is really dark blue on a black bg it will be considered a major bug [01:10] believe me, I have been there and done [01:10] that [01:11] the colormap for the Usplash is good, we tested that [01:12] but I do not know what other stuff is used [01:12] I have only installed twice [01:12] :-) === kwwii needs a test machine [01:12] time to buy my wife a new computer :-) [01:12] kwwii: XD [01:14] a simple cheap intel machine is what I need [01:14] anyway.... [01:14] Riddell: is grub using a pic now or is it text? [01:16] Riddell: and do you know if there is any text shown when you first boot from the CD? (syslinux) [01:17] kwwii: yes, syslinux has a menu now [01:17] kwwii: grub doesn't use a picture [01:17] I put black as the first entry in the colormap but I think that grub and syslinux want white to be the last entry as well [01:18] and we have it at 8 for the Usplash [01:18] so I would need to change that for those pics, if that is the case [01:18] but I do not know the packages for *buntu [01:20] I am sure that someone will scream if it the first beta is borked because of that :-) [01:22] kwwii: on kubuntu non-beta the "ok" white text is not white [01:22] it's a dark blue [01:22] on kubuntu beta it is white [01:22] Riddell: we are talking about the Usplash, right? [01:23] yes [01:24] ok, I should be able to fix that, one second [01:24] hehe, I forgot to add the white to the pic [01:24] oops [01:24] see, that is why I wanted to test this stuff [01:25] same for the ubuntu pics, no white [01:25] ouch...I guess I thought that the beta pics were final at first [01:25] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/100_0498.JPG [01:25] thanks for mentioning it [01:25] to 502 [01:26] man that logo looks bad [01:31] dude, the ubuntu splash stuff looks just as bad with the beta as without :-( [01:43] Riddell: mail sent with new pic(s), thanks again [01:44] for taking the time to test both [01:49] time for bed now [01:49] night all === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fromoze [n=fromoze@81.172.91.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:00] Hi, I was trying to install dapper using expresso with monday's daily-live but when I try tu chose spanish Expresso disappears. [02:00] fromoze: got a backtrace? [02:00] Could it be a problem with the daily-liver or expresso works actually only for an english installation? [02:01] it should work fine, but wouldn't surprise me if there was a problem [02:02] no, I just finished the back-up of the hd and I was looking about downloading a new version of the live in the night to play tomorrow with :D [02:02] there's not been any changes [02:02] but I'll look into it tomorrow [02:03] then, I must insist tomorrow with a spanish installation and try to get a backtrace? [02:03] I mean, isn't a feature the problem, may be a bug. [02:04] yes, it'll be a bug, a backtrace would be useful [02:04] Then tomorro y will try to get it [02:04] thanks [02:04] I wanted to reinstall to try lvm [02:04] see you tomorrow ;) === fromoze [n=fromoze@81.172.91.22] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-35.async.iserv.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:38] is there a kubuntu-devel-annoucne mailing list like there is for ubuntu-devel-announce?' [04:54] jjesse: probably not === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-200-144.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-105-154.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:08] howdy freeflying [06:08] robotgeek: hi [06:12] translations seem to be going well [06:13] hehe, there have lots to be done for chinese === robotgeek relaxes [06:34] robotgeek: lol. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=930501&postcount=12 === robotgeek thinks everyone on that thread is not using dapper [06:36] hehe [06:37] yes, i get that impression too. but i liked the new acronym [06:37] yeah, funny [06:38] btw, i completed the qt frontend to EU, now making it work on dapper [06:38] EU? [06:38] EasyUbuntu [06:38] ah nice :) [06:39] Hobbsee: will installing gstreamer stuff on dapper Kubuntu screw something up? [06:39] robotgeek: i doubt it, but you never know [06:39] dont think i've had a rpoblem before.. [06:50] is there someplace i can see the kdebase changelog online? [06:55] aha https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kdebase/+changelog [06:57] hendry: subscribe to dapper-changes mailing list [06:57] freeflying: ok [07:09] robotgeek: there are lots linux basics in kubuntu desktopguide , such as the explaining of dircections , basic cammand [07:11] freeflying: do you use skim? [07:11] it still seem broken in my daily [07:12] freeflying: yes, same as in the ubuntu desktopguide [07:13] hendry: ya === hunger [n=tobias@p54A604DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:13] robotgeek: it's about 1/7 of the whole , quite lots [07:13] hendry: skim works smoothly on my daily upgrade system [07:14] freeflying: well, just basics :P === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:35] <_Sime> Riddell: version 0.6.5 of guidance is now up ( http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ ) === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-157-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] just tried ubuntu. looks great (amazingly cool theme, tough the icons still suck), and it's fast. pitty they are held back by firefox - slow and not good looking. [10:47] kubuntu interferes with ubuntu, btw - icons, style... [10:47] and its even another user... [10:48] ubuntu throws all apps in the menu without submenu's so it gets crowded there. [10:48] gonnay try the menu editor in a few minutes ;-) [10:50] rythmbox has a nice interface, but after a few minutes i already get annoyed. doesn't resume playing, search doesn't work very well, clicking the close while it is in systray doesn't minimize to systray but quit - that's ok, but its not configurable so my music stops now and then... [10:52] doesn't show koffice in office menu [10:52] and its much slower on resizing a window, flickers like hell... [10:52] hmmmm, am i *subconsiously* looking for problems? ;-) [10:55] LOVE the look, btw [10:55] and the automatically resizing tab's in the terminal are cool. btw windows/style look really good. [10:56] but i NEED an always on top button on the windeco - no way i can find to change it. THATs something i love in KDE: you always know where to change stuff: want to change something? right mouse click on it, preferences - there it is. works almost always. almost never in gnome :( [11:00] superstoned: yeah [11:01] superstoned: and then again, too often new users doesn't seem to know there's more than one button in mouse [11:01] :p [11:01] hmmm [11:01] well, i can't live with it [11:01] this goes as every time i used gnome - love it at first sight, after 5 min i discover nothing works the way I WANT IT [11:02] superstoned: Gnome is... agh, it's somewhat nice but yet restrictive [11:02] superstoned: golden cage [11:04] _Sime: cool, although it'll have to wait until after beta release [11:05] Riddell: morning :) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] whooosh [12:19] <_Sime> Riddell: I was afraid of that... [12:20] hmm, no cmake in repositories? :O [12:20] ah there is [12:20] old one :p [12:21] Tm_T: freeflying did an UVFe, not sure what came of it [12:21] oh ok [12:22] anyway, current cmake used in KDE4 development(?), 2.3.4-* something, has one little but painful issue: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-buildsystem/2006-April/002449.html [12:23] I ended up moving some files in and out [12:25] Riddell: why is koffice kept back for me (I have used 1.5 repo) [12:26] Lure: no idea [12:27] Riddell: apt-get install koffice tels me: [12:27] koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [12:27] (and same for other dependant packages) [12:28] Riddell: nothing urgent, I just get annoyed by this Attention sign in the tray (adept_notifier) ;-) [12:45] Tm_T: Riddell I've pinged dholbach for cmake's UVFe , hope it can be approved this time [12:45] yay! [12:45] sounds good [12:45] freeflying: I hope it's not that problematic version [12:46] Tm_T: upstream author have said he will release 2.4 soon , hope it can be soon [12:47] aah, good good [12:51] freeflying: do you think we can move /usr/lib/libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8 to scim-gtk2-immodule ? [12:51] that would stop skim bringing in gtk/pango/etc [01:00] Riddell: just a moment [01:21] Riddell: shall we talked with minghua . [01:23] freeflying: sure [01:23] when he's around [01:23] Riddell: but haven't seen him here for a long time === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.50.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust120.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:34] Tm_T [02:34] exactly, golden cage [02:34] :D [02:34] hello patwack [02:34] superstoned: yeah [02:35] has some nice things, may VERY well done config dialogues, many better than KDE (kde dev's could just have a peek at how the gnomes did layout some dialogues, and KDE would be more usable in a short time. tough the KDE devs are already improving here) [02:36] problem: /usr/lib/kde3/kdeprint_cups.so: undefined symbol:_ZN13KMCupsManager20slotConnectionFailedEi (when trying to print). i need to log out and in again? [02:38] superstoned: hmm [02:38] there ARE new KDE packages, i'm installing them now. [02:38] what new packages? [02:38] but as i do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade a few times a day, they can't be old :D [02:39] kdelibs (0ubuntu6), some xorg, ubuntu-desktop [02:39] i'll try to log out and in again, we'll see how it goes then. [02:40] (after installation - almost finished) [02:40] Setting up kdelibs-bin (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ... [02:40] Setting up kdelibs4c2a (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) [02:40] Setting up kdelibs4-dev (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) ... [02:40] Setting up kdelibs (3.5.2-0ubuntu6) . [02:40] ready [02:42] didnt even have to log out [02:42] its fixed now [02:42] maybe just ksycoca needed to run or something like that [02:42] it works now anyway, sorry Riddell :D [02:44] Riddell: I have some broken packages (koffice)... [02:44] Could it be due to Tonio's repo ? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-36-210.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:11] OdyX: is not Tonio's repo, but do you also use koffice15 repo? [03:12] Lure: I do. [03:12] me to and have same problem... [03:13] maybe something went into main repo and is now in conflict with koffice15 repo... [03:13] Lure: what problem is this? [03:13] koffice is in version 1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1 and requests k[all-components] with that version, but they don't exist. [03:13] Hobbsee: koffice is kept back [03:13] if you try to install, you get this [03:13] ah ok [03:13] koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1.1) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed [03:13] (many messages like this) [03:14] Lure: dapper or breezy? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:15] Riddell: Dapper, with koffice-latest and Tonio's repos [03:15] hi Riddell [03:17] hi Hobbsee [03:18] well for some reason the other 1.1 packages didn't upload, how strange [03:18] Riddell: We do have only koffice ... [03:18] there were other people who reported problems with the koffice too, installing ones. i dont remember what they were, right this minute, though [03:20] OdyX: yeah, probably my fault although I'm not sure how, anyway I'm uploading the rest now [03:20] Riddell: Good :D [03:21] have they gotten any further with the exception for main yet? or is that still waiting? [03:22] Hobbsee: no response yet [03:22] mmm ok === Hobbsee makes two mental notes, one: to call the smash repairer, and two: to try out koffice when the packages are fixed === Hobbsee wonders if there's anything shes' forgotten :P [03:23] me? [03:23] you? [03:24] what about you? [03:24] ...I don't know [03:24] just thought you should remember me? === Tm_T hides [03:25] oh...well...yeah...like i remember everyone else here... [03:25] :p [03:25] Hobbsee: some day you'll understand part of my humour, tiny part :p [03:26] Tm_T: oh i do now, really. i've just been to work tonight, and that always involves some form of harrassment... [03:26] Riddell: dapper [03:26] oh!!! [03:26] Riddell: ping [03:26] hmm? [03:26] woo! brain has come back! [03:27] is kwifimanager going to be depreciated, now that knetworkmanager has come out? what should we do with those bug reports? [03:27] Hobbsee: oh, that doesn't sound fun [03:27] i like knetworkmanager :) [03:27] plan is for wlassistant to replace kwifimanager [03:27] jjesse: so do i! it works [03:27] knetworkmanager won't be on the CD as I understand it (following network-manager-gnome) [03:27] jjesse: good - have just seen your update to KubuntuDapperBeta - nice that your are taking care of this [03:28] Riddell: right...and so the kwifimanager bugs should be closed, saying "use wlassistant instead"? [03:28] Lure: thanks, i'm trying to stay on top of it [03:28] or should they be properly fixed? [03:28] Hobbsee: not yet, it's not in main yet [03:28] Hobbsee: it helps when i travel to different branch offices and need to switch subnets [03:28] jjesse: do you plan to include screenshots? should we send you some? [03:28] Riddell: which isnt in main, wlassistant? === Hobbsee will ignore them for the time being, then. [03:28] yes, wlassistant is waiting on a main inclusion review [03:28] speaking of which, anyone use kppp here? === Hobbsee nods === Riddell doesn't use kppp === Hobbsee doesnt either, which means that those bug reports are getting ignored [03:30] i haven't tried to get my modem to work so i don't use kppp as well [03:30] just like they get ignored in KDE too, it's a shame [03:31] mmm ok...so set to need info, asking if they're reproducable now? [03:32] since nothing has changed with kppp any problems people have will likely still be there [03:32] lol...poor [03:33] it's the sort of thing that's pretty difficult for us to debug [03:33] that's true === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee growls at people who cant READ THE FLAMING ASSIGNMENT SHEET! [03:52] Riddell: so the next thing I will make is the adept icon for the panel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] kwwii: cool === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:04] superstoned: how is printing working for you now? === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] jjesse: ping? === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-34-130.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:41] Hobbsee: pong [04:42] jjesse: about where to find kubuntu bugs - the bugs are done by source packages. so either search for bugs assigned to kubuntu-bugs (you miss some that way, but it's a good start), or search for each of the kde metapacakges - eg. kdepim, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdebase, etc [04:42] at least, that's all i've found so far [04:42] there's ones for amarok, and kaffeine as well [04:42] Hobbsee: thanks [04:42] jjesse: not a problem :) [04:43] Riddell: we'd better mail to debian's mailing list for a discuss (libscim-gtkutils-1.0.so.8.1.0 issue) [04:44] freeflying: hmm, ok [04:45] Riddell: this will be better pkg-ime-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org [04:46] freeflying: can yu do that? [04:46] s/yu/you/ === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-103-12.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee beds, due to some more rotten dizziness... [04:46] night all.. [04:47] Riddell: you know I'm not good at English , I don't know if I can sxpress clearly :) === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-87-175.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387EF4F.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:05] what was the system settings admin problem people were having? [05:07] there's one thing annoying me, when I rightclick desktop -> Configure Desktop -> ...there's no more monitor settings [05:07] oh well, not big problem, but got used to it :) [05:07] Riddell: Hi! Admin problems, again? :-) [05:08] cmvo: not sure, people were talking about something the other day but I can't find it now [05:08] guidance seems to not let you click Apply when something has changed === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] Riddell: I saw something scrolling by yesterday, but didn't have the time to ask. [05:10] Riddell: Hm, must admit, I never tried guidance, I'll have to take a closer look. [05:12] Riddell: sometimes "apply" button isn't visible because the window is too small by default, but I think it's another problem [05:16] _Sime: any comments on this? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/27457 [05:16] Malone bug 27457 in kdebase kdm "on logout X should restart if xorg.conf was changed since last X login" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] [05:16] I think it already was the case [05:16] MidMark: yes, that's different [05:17] riddell: about printing: after clicking on 'print' i get: "An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes" but it goes on and works fine. [05:22] Riddell: userconfig seems to work creating an deleting user accounts. But it complains about "Double QObject deletion" on exit. [05:23] Riddell: can zeroconf works now ? [05:31] freeflying: yes, if you install avahi-daemon === MidMark slaps Riddell around a bit with a large trout [05:35] ops, sorry === doelman [n=doelman@dsl-46015.solcon.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:47] Riddell: BTW, the new colors and background are looking good, at lot less gloomy. [05:47] hi folks [05:47] quick question [05:48] I try to mount a ntfs-usb-drive [05:48] it only mounts readonly [05:48] i've installed the ntfstools [05:48] still readonly [05:48] cmvo: yeah, hug kwwii [05:48] how to mount it read-write? [05:48] jeroenvrp: umask stuff, i would guess === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-87-175.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] robotgeek: no [05:49] jeroenvrp: -o rw or the like [05:49] hmm, okay [05:49] but it might need linux modules, I'm not sure [05:49] it's also not a kubuntu-devel question :) [05:49] mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda1 /media/sdb1/ [05:49] yeah yeah :-) [05:49] mkdir: cannot create directory `test': Read-only file system [05:52] not anymore, but it doesnt work [05:52] :-( [05:53] /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8) [05:54] jeroenvrp: If it hasn't changed recently ntfs in linux is read-only. [05:54] Riddell: will espresso be the installer for beta and if so how do i get screen shots of it to post on KubuntuDapperBeta ? [05:55] cmvo: I thoughr the ntfstools can make it read write [05:56] jjesse: on the live CD it will be yes [05:56] jjesse: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso/screenshots/ but I'll try and take some more up to date ones in a bit [05:58] cmvo: using libntfs in fuse offers decent read-write [05:58] Riddell: what resolution did you make those screenshots at? [05:58] it'll seemingly randomly refuse to do some actions, but I've yet to have it corrupt.... [05:59] Riddell: and did you resize the window or does it always pop up with those proportions? [06:01] kwwii: 1024x786 and that's what it opens as === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-105-137.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:03] jeroenvrp: ntfsprogs/tools contains ntfsmount, maybe take a look at that. but this is getting too OT :-) [06:04] cmvo: yes I've been there, I'm reading the manual right now of linux-ntfs [06:04] wont bother you anymore === verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] kwwii: Hi! The new colors and background look very good. [06:08] mornfall: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667407 some adept queries on kubuntu-devel mailing list recently [06:10] i like the new colors too :) [06:10] they're blue... but a happy blue [06:10] :) [06:10] add polyester and i'm sold ;) [06:10] koffice archive should be fixed [06:16] verwilst, kwii love to see polyester, too ;-) === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:23] kwwii: new todo for you :) Espresso icon, crystalise http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/desktop/espresso.svg [06:24] cmvo: thanks, good to hear that people like it! [06:24] Riddell: cool :-) === verwilst sprinkles some polyester goodness over this channel [06:26] Riddell: I assume we want a kubuntu logo instead of the orange ubuntu one? [06:27] for the espresso icon, I mean [06:28] hehe, at least jimmac took the big red Novell "N" off the box ;-) === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@k-uptown.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387EF4F.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Moin] [06:31] kwwii: yes please [06:32] seems like my kernel (k7) has only support for read-only ntfs: NTFS driver 2.1.25 [Flags: R/O MODULE] . === toma_ is now known as toma === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _abbenormal [n=_abbenor@209.176.195.110] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fromoze [n=ubuntu@81.172.91.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] Riddell: ping [06:44] hi fromoze [06:44] hi, espresso has crash again, [06:44] did I send you by mail the log? [06:44] or just pastebin it? - i'm on live-cd now - [06:44] fromoze: can you apt-get update && apt-get install espresso espresso-frontend-kde [06:45] make sure it's installing at least version .52 === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] 0.99.50 <-- i'm trying to upgrade [06:46] hey [06:48] Riddell: beta1 released in a couple of days now.... shouldn't we ping people to get at least knetworkmanager and kmplayer in main ? [06:48] I though knetworkmanager was supposed to fit on the live cd... [06:49] sounds a bit frustratig since network-manager-gnome went in main without any inclusion report and in a couple of days only........ [06:49] Tonio_: it's too late for beta, we're in heavy freeze now until beta release is done [06:49] Tonio_: pitti did say he'd do them last week, but I guess not [06:50] Riddell: but I think we will not have anything in main if we don't push it a bit :) [06:50] everyone is on bugfixing actually.... [06:50] gnome isn't supposed to receive new main packages, so maybe they just "forgot" kde [06:51] and thanks for k-d-s uploading too :) [06:53] Tonio_: I'll poke pitti again at the distro meeting, but there's only so much poking we can do === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] Riddell: true......... [06:53] sorry to bother you again, but [06:54] I've found the solution [06:54] you also have to install fuse-utils [06:55] so fuse-utils should be a dependency of ntfsprogs [06:55] its not [06:55] jeroenvrp: solution to what ? [06:56] Riddell: well, updating I can get the step 3 and it reconices my selected locale, I continue [06:56] Tonio_: that I could not mount a usb ntfs-drive readwrite [06:56] jeroenvrp: what is your kernel version actually ? [06:56] Linux k-uptown 2.6.15-20-k7 [06:56] oops my hostname [06:56] ah you my ip [06:57] thats the same [06:57] anyhow, its not a kernel-problem [06:57] should be supported yes [06:57] but a missed dependency of ntfs-progs [06:57] jeroenvrp: contact the package maintainer :) [06:57] it should also install fuse-utils [06:57] Riddell: but, not photo at all [06:57] yeah I will [06:57] thanks [06:58] jeroenvrp: David Martnez Moreno [06:58] and for ubuntu...... let me check [06:58] fromoze: photo? [06:58] map [06:59] I mean, to chose the town [06:59] jeroenvrp: same guy concerning the ubuntu package [07:00] fromoze: no, the map isn't implemented yet [07:00] fromoze: but can you choose it from the drop down box? [07:00] Riddell: It does not seem to be an admin mode problem with the guidance modules. Just the feedback from the [07:01] Riddell: yes, but, I can't change the date... [07:01] Riddell: modules doesn't reach system settings and apply is not activated. [07:01] It crash, I'm gonna check the log [07:02] cmvo: from any modules? [07:04] Riddell: I seems only the four guidance modules.' [07:06] Riddell: since you removed the system:/ patch, openoffice causes issues when opening files again....... [07:06] I wonder if the new guidance will fix that [07:06] Riddell: no pb on my profile, but on a new one, it crashes [07:06] Tonio_: yeah, I have a patch for openoffice but it's not in yet [07:07] Riddell: did you patch desktop files ? I was just making a working patch for this :) [07:07] Riddell: s/I/It/ :-) [07:07] Tonio_: I did [07:07] Riddell: nice :) [07:07] Riddell: and concerning adept, any news from mornfall ? cause I have a solution, but that might sound weird ;) [07:08] remove any arguments in the command in desktop files, and that works nicelly [07:08] concerning mornfall, he's back from vacation [07:08] mornfall: ho you're there ;) [07:08] yay :) [07:08] mornfall: fine ? [07:08] concerning .desktop, that's a workaround that i know about :-)) [07:08] i'll enable it for final release if noone finds out why it really happens [07:09] mornfall: I'd like to understand what are those arguments usefull to ? [07:09] Riddell: I got guidance 0.6.4, are newer packages available somewhere? [07:09] just for my personnal knowledge :) [07:09] Tonio_: it's a matter of principle, there's a latent bug in either adept or kdesu or somewhere [07:09] Tonio_: i would like to have it *fixed*, not worked around [07:09] mornfall: okay [07:09] Tonio_: it may jump out at me in a much worse form later [07:09] Tonio_: so workaround is known and can be used if the cause is not found [07:10] mornfall: I was just wondering what about ;) thanks for the explanation :) [07:10] Tonio_: as for parameters, they are there to make it possible to customize icon in .desktop file [07:10] Tonio_: without them, the icon would be hardcoded in binary [07:10] mornfall: ah ok ! [07:10] Tonio_: so you would get different icon in taskbar than in menu [07:10] which is not too nice [07:11] cmvo: newer source is available from simonzone.com, I haven't packaged it yet [07:11] mornfall: yup [07:11] http://www.simonzone.com/software/guidance/ [07:11] but it's not too widespread to have it changed from default, so not critical [07:11] Riddell: Neither in spanish or english I can change date, feature? [07:12] fromoze: change what data? [07:12] oh, date [07:12] so i'll have to run now [07:12] fromoze: using the button? [07:12] be back in, hmm, 30? maybe 20 === mornfall waves [07:12] Riddell: yes [07:12] Riddell: is systemsettings in dapper the latest ? [07:12] Tonio_: I did an SVN snapshot last week [07:12] cause there is one or two desktop files that miss french translation, I may change that [07:13] the desktop files come from kcontrol [07:13] for example appearence is still in english, but the content of the section is now correctly localized [07:13] Riddell: so there is a bug ;) [07:13] fromoze: probably my fault, I'll test that once these live CDs have finished downloading [07:14] Tonio_: does system settings have a french translation? [07:14] Riddell: yes, let me show you [07:17] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture6.png [07:17] verwilst: polyester looks nice. do you know if packages for polyester 0.9 are available? [07:17] Riddell: concerning guidance modules, I translated them this WE [07:18] Riddell: but there are still a few desktop files that are not localised [07:19] Tonio_: guidance modules will need to wait for 0.6.15 which will be after beta [07:19] Riddell: as long as it is ok for june ;) [07:20] the other ones I'm not sure about, they may be systemsetting's doing [07:20] Riddell: I'm investigating [07:23] yes, it's /usr/share/desktop-directories/kde-settings-appearance.directory === fromoze [n=ubuntu@81.172.91.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:25] Tonio_: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/desktop_playground-base.pot [07:26] fromoze: hmm, "Set Time..." works for me, it loads the kcontrol time modules [07:27] Riddell: not for me :( [07:27] in spanish at least [07:27] fromoze: any error message in /var/log/installer/espresso ? [07:28] I copy it in pastebit [07:29] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667571 [07:30] cmvo: 0.6.5 is the last one [07:30] ask a UVF exception thingy? [07:30] fromoze: what city did you select? [07:30] Madrid [07:31] Riddell: Madrid, in English, it works [07:31] Riddell: translating :) [07:31] Riddell: and, once it has work in english... in spanish to! :/ [07:32] s/to/too [07:32] Riddell: it that part of the translation linked to the pot file ? cause I remember I already gave you the french translation for this.... [07:33] Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .pot files [07:33] Riddell: okay [07:33] er no [07:33] Tonio_: that's the translations for all the .desktop files [07:33] Riddell: ah okay ;) [07:34] Tonio_: there's no desktop_playground-base.po for fr in SVN [07:34] will be done in a couple of minutes [07:34] Riddell: I didn't the first pot only maybe === Tonio_ thinks it is time for kde apps to be in rosetta, that would help a lot :) [07:35] hehe [07:35] most of them are [07:35] but not the .desktop file .pos [07:35] Riddell: I know, just kidding :) [07:35] Riddell: Even, I cancel the installation and restart it in spanish and "Establecer Fecha" works again. Can I continue the installation or did you need more info? [07:35] Tonio_: fyi: I've mailed the ntfsprogs maintainer [07:35] Riddell: most universe patched applications are not [07:35] Riddell: is there a plan for universe apps before dapper+1 ? [07:35] fromoze: "Establecer Fecha" is "Set Time"? [07:36] jeroenvrp: great ;) [07:36] Riddell: yes [07:36] Tonio_: not for dapper, I don't know about after you'd need to ask carlos [07:36] fromoze: ok thanks, I'll test that some more [07:36] Riddell: I will thanks :) let you work now [07:37] Riddell: if you want me to do something, may be reboot and try again? [07:37] Riddell: I will ping pitti for koffice-i18n packages to be added to language packs === Tonio_ thinks about a batch file to ping people.... that could help :) [07:38] Tonio_: no, don't [07:38] fromoze: yes, sure, let me know what happens === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:39] Tonio_: koffice UFVe exception decision will be taken after beta release [07:39] Riddell: ? you asked me too a few days ago, did something change ? [07:39] Riddell: i Reboot [07:39] Riddell: that could concern koffice 1.4 since we have krita in actually too no ? [07:39] Tonio_: then carlos will upload the correct koffice ones to rosetta [07:39] Riddell: ah oki :) [07:40] Tonio_: it was discussed in #ubuntu-devel the other day [07:40] Riddell: understood :) [07:41] Lure: koffice archive should be fixed [07:41] Riddell: thanks, will check now [07:43] btw, kword 1.5 is much better in terms of stability - it does not crash on most of MS .doc documents I need to open during the day === Lure likes it as it starts in 20% of time of OOo Writer === fromoze [n=ubuntu@81.172.91.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] Lure: but OOo still has better support voor doc-files, like writing to it. === _abbenormal [n=_abbenor@209.176.195.110] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [07:48] jeroenvrp: I do not use it for writing - I still need to use VMPlayer with real office fo that :-( [07:49] but for my simple documents Koffice is just great [07:49] Lure: OOo can write with almost no problems, never had any real problems with it, especially not with 2.0.* [07:49] Lure: but this is more a question dor #kubuntu [07:50] jeroenvrp: I had and I can not afford to send .doc to customer that do not open in his old/new Office... === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:58] Riddell: Last try I haven't do a dist-upgrade, just install espresso and espresso-frontend-kde and the I let upgrading in a shell because maximize-buttom on kwin looks broken and I see an artwork upgrade. This time I do dist-upgrade before trying espresso and I "time set" has work using spanish. Sorry, it was my fault. === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-105-137.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fromoze [n=ubuntu@81.172.91.22] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:11] FWIW: after today update everytime I start print dialog I get a dialog: successful-ok-ignored-or-substituted-attributes. So something changed between Thursday and today [08:12] click on [ok] on the error dialog and printing works still fine === didier [n=didier@84.4.3.138] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:18] <_Sime> Riddell: did you upload the .pot file for guidance to rosetta? [08:20] _Sime: it should be in the guidance sounce package as I remember [08:21] in which case it'll get imported into rosetta this week [08:21] <_Sime> I just noticed that it was on rosetta; I didn't upload it there yet. So I was just wondering. [08:21] <_Sime> I also updated the pot file in the guidance tarball. [08:21] allee: same here [08:22] I think kdeprint patches are still work in progress, but Riddell should know more... === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:26] Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667677<-- it looks I finally can't install dapper from the live :/ It crashes; I'm using a sata hd, but I can't uderstand what's the error on the log === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === didiercommediers [n=didier@84.4.3.138] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [08:39] Lure: thx. good to know it's not a local problem ;) I hope KDEPrint is fixed in time and something better than cups beta1 (rc2 is out already) will be ready for dapper ;) === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:40] allee: I have seen that pitti is already testing rc2 and he got deveeloper working on fixing kde print - looking good [08:42] Lure: whow! Great news! Looks like I'll change our printer server from sarge to dapper ASAP :) [08:44] jjesse: hi, I have a small suggestion for this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta [08:45] jjesse: you should include a brief section on system settings. It's far more usable in dapper than in breezy, and it brings the brand new guidance display module [08:46] jjesse: also, I think espresso-kde could fit in :) [08:46] I understand it's a work in progress.... just giving suggestions [08:46] :) [08:49] kmon: thanks, it is still a work in prgoress so i will keep looking into it [08:50] jjesse: nice [09:02] Riddell: I'm a bit embarrased with "Panel" [09:03] it is untranslatable in french, and concerning the content of that module, I don't see the difference with "desktop" [09:05] in kcontrol everything is in two modules, while we use 3 for systemsettings... and I don't understand the reason they have been splitted === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:14] Riddell: I doubt that we can put the adept box icon in the triangle and make it work at 22x22 and 16x16 (the normal panel sizes)) [09:14] talking about the adept updater icon of course [09:15] I will try to make a adept box icon with the triangle more like an emblem on top of it === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Flosoft [n=admin@d51522349.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:46] hey [09:46] is there any news bout the Release of Kubuntu Dapper? [09:46] Flosoft: what kind of news? [09:47] well release date? [09:47] as I am mirroring it ... so it would be great to get some news bout the release [09:48] google gives me this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule [09:48] Flosoft: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta [09:48] maybe that's what you where looking after? [09:48] ok [09:48] It's a work in progress btw [09:48] yup [09:48] June 2006 [09:49] mornfall: ping === Flosoft [n=admin@d51522349.access.telenet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [09:50] omg, I have been installing this on my production machine! [09:51] kwwii: hope that it is production quality ;-) [09:52] <_Sime> Dapper has been solid for me. Perhaps (much) better than Breezy already. [09:53] Lure: to some extent I came into this whole thing pretty late in the game (which I amused to from other linux companies)...I hope that the artwork turns out well [09:53] Dapper is coming out great :) [09:53] s/amused/am used [09:54] kwwii: it is turning better and better with each update... [09:54] sometimes I think my proper title would be art-terrorist" [09:54] lol [09:54] the release notes are current for whoever was looking for information [09:55] "change this pic after hard freeze or I will ruin your dist.!" [09:56] random acts of spontaneous and unprovoked artwork [09:59] kwwii: lol === marseillai_ [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-74-17.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:08] is there any way to configure the positioning of kde's notifications? like kopete's? [10:08] chut le voila :) [10:11] it would be nice to have those notifications above kicker [10:13] kmon, good point [10:13] with my laptop, using gimpl and such, I changed the position of the amarok notifications because it covered my windows every 5 minutes [10:14] I mean, one click and it is gone, but when I am concentrating on something it sucks [10:15] They aren't very visible on current position [10:16] I would love to have amarok's notification instead of current ones, all over kde [10:16] :) [10:16] they look better [10:17] kmon: the standard kPassivePopup appears near the tray icon, there is no influence possible, unless writing you your own class based on that class [10:18] :/ [10:18] when I have kmail minimized in tray and mail arrives the notification shows in the upper right corner of my desktop... [10:19] yeah, amarok is a killer app in that it takes a step ahead [10:19] kmon: i remember the maintainer of that class asking for features for kde4. So contact him about it. [10:19] I love amarok [10:19] mmm [10:20] kmon: dont understand that. I thought the new mail counts was in the icon in the tray [10:20] -s [10:20] yes [10:20] Lure: pong [10:20] but I've configured kmail to show a notification when new mail arrives [10:20] Lure: 5 minutes or so [10:21] and it appears in the upper right corner when kmail in minimized in the tray [10:21] mornfall: how add/remove programs decides what goes in KDE, what in GNOME and what in Other? [10:21] ah, ok, and that pops up at the top, while your tray is at the bottom? [10:21] Lure: debtags [10:21] kpowersave is in other, for example [10:21] toma: yes [10:21] Lure: it's not tagged/wrongly tagged then [10:21] Lure: debtags.alioth.debian.org [10:22] mornfall: thanks, will look into this and try to fix it for some packages. [10:22] Lure: or debtags help [10:23] Lure: debtags tag add kpowersave suite::kde [10:23] Lure: debtags submit [10:23] mornfall: thanks - will do this! [10:23] Lure: you can add/rm a lot and submit at once [10:24] Lure: changes are stored in ~/.debtags/patch [10:24] kwwii: amarok rocks, can't wait to see what they're planning for kde4 [10:25] well... I can't wait for kd4 itself [10:25] kmon: is that detailed new mail notification? [10:25] toma: ? [10:26] kmon: can you show me where that setting is? [10:27] among other things, I am working on the oxygen icons for kde4, so I am know what you mean about "I can't wait" :-)) [10:27] lol [10:27] toma: In system settings-> Sound & multimedia -> system notifications. Select kmail from the drop down list [10:28] kwwii: are you going to show off some of that work or leave it as a trade secret until kde4 preview? [10:28] Riddell: ping ? [10:29] Riddell: did you get my email about kubuntu docs spec? [10:30] kmon: ah, thats not kmail specific... [10:32] kmon: we are about a month or two away from the first pre-release [10:32] pre-release release [10:32] :-)= [10:32] :) [10:32] well, we will put it into svn and make it downloadable as theme [10:32] etc [10:33] basically we want to make sure that we have all major, important icons done before we release anything [10:35] I understand [10:35] my problem is that I want kde4 now :) [10:35] hehe === kwwii too [10:36] kwwii: two months? thats optimistic [10:36] kmon: you've seen the stuff on the oxygen-icons.org or? that is a small preview [10:37] toma: well, we have been doing a lot recently [10:37] and we are going to meet for a week to do nothing but draw [10:37] :-) [10:37] I saw a blog from (you?) about the development of oxygen [10:37] so I think that we can make it [10:37] probably [10:37] its looking good [10:37] me, or david or nuno [10:37] kwwii: cool! keep up the good work! [10:38] well, maybe three months [10:38] :-) [10:38] we will meet in the first week of june or the last week of may [10:38] depending on how much work is still due for dapper [10:39] how is espresso-kde comming along? [10:40] kmon: are you asking me that? [10:40] :-) [10:40] I'm asking anyone who knows :) [10:40] actually, after I saw the screenshots I made some mockups for how it could be improved graphically [10:40] I'm sorry for not being too clear [10:41] but nobody has seen them yet :-) [10:41] ohh [10:41] there are nifty screenshots [10:41] hehe === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:46] kwwii: show them to Riddell :) [10:48] kmon: oh, I will, don't worry [10:48] but I think it would be better to let him get this beta out the door first [10:48] sure [10:49] it's my "can't wait" syndrome [10:49] hehe [10:49] I can understand that [10:51] for kde4, do you kde artists plan to redo the main website? [10:51] artwork wise [10:51] hehe [10:51] you know all the good questions [10:51] hehe [10:51] that is a very political issue [10:52] which I cannot answer [10:52] I know al the "trade secret" questions? [10:52] even though I could tell you what I would like to do :-) [10:52] but that might not reflect the opinions of others [10:52] I understand... [10:52] but I think it needs a revamp [10:53] yeah, I think so too [10:53] and now the domain is owned by someone else [10:53] some pictures will be nice... gnome's website looks prettier than kde's . [10:53] and we got into a "discussion" about the art for 3.5 and since then things just suck [10:54] oh, we are working on new templates for all kde.org sites [10:54] :-) [10:54] nice :) [10:54] it is really cool, and very different [10:54] screenshots? [10:54] can't wait ;) === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-105-147.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:55] nothing open yet, still discussing it with the kde-www-devel team , etc. [10:55] deciding on a CMS etc [10:55] which seems to take the most time [10:56] we will make a test implementation for the akademy website soon [10:57] so that will be the implementation of the first steps toward a new design === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fx [n=fx@bny92-2-87-91-30-70.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fx is now known as fxdarkplayer === fxdarkplayer [n=fx@bny92-2-87-91-30-70.dsl.club-internet.fr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === sebas [n=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo_ [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel