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crimsunLaserJock: is the dapper doc branch in sync w/ trunk currently?12:22
LaserJockno12:22
crimsunso I should be working from dapper's branch, I presume?12:23
LaserJockcrimsun: for what?12:23
crimsunfor anything in doc12:23
mdkecrimsun, for anything dapper+1, we will work in the trunk12:23
mdkeit may be that some maintainers haven't merged all their changes to trunk yet12:24
LaserJockcrimsun: well, if you want it to go into Dapper, yes. But we are at the doc string freeze12:24
mdkeif so, and you want to work on something, bug them about it12:24
LaserJockcrimsun: I'm pretty sure the Packaging Guide is synced12:24
crimsunLaserJock: I generally do two passes per edit with a week or so separating each pass12:24
LaserJockcrimsun: the packaging guide in the dapper branch and trunk are the same currently12:27
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Madpilothi Burgundavia 08:02
Burgundaviasalut Madpilot08:02
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Burgundaviaindeed08:05
BurgundaviaMadpilot: pyweek just finished, and the entries were all about steam. Some are very cool little games: pyweek.org08:06
BurgundaviaMadpilot: this one looks like fun -->  http://www.pyweek.org/e/Pekuja/08:08
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buttfukcompaul likes it up the butt11:50
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jsgotangcohmmm does an appendix come before or after a glossary?02:47
jjesse_wouldn't it come before?03:00
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jsgotangcoi dont remember lol03:14
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jjesse_grin i don't either03:14
jjesse_just asked my wife who is an editor: the appendix comes first befuase there might be the need for something in the appendix to be glossaried03:15
jjesse_if that makes sense03:16
jsgotangcolol the first book i grabbed had the title "what to expect on the first year of childhood"03:16
jsgotangcohmmm03:16
jsgotangcomakes sense03:16
jjesse_that book is the follow up for what to expect when you are expecting :)03:16
jsgotangcono we didnt get that book since everything was unexpected lol03:18
jsgotangcojjesse, can you ask if the appendix and the annex are the same?03:19
jjessejsgotangco: sure can03:19
jjessegrin that's funny03:20
jjessea new book, what to expect when you are not expecting :)03:20
jjesseFor all practical purposes, yes I think so. We have customers request that they be called "Annexes" rather than "Appendices" sometimes. But it should be consistent throughout the book, whatever word is chosen.03:21
jsgotangcoahhh03:23
jsgotangcodocbook only has appendix03:23
jsgotangcothanks03:23
jsgotangcook time for the horrifying part: docbook tables03:23
jsgotangcourgghh03:23
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Burgworkmgalvin, for the bootchart, it might be nice if you could have a comparison chart06:47
Burgworka two bar chart with boot time for breezy and dapper06:47
mgalvinyea, i just don't have a breezy box atm :(06:47
mgalvini will try and do that if i have time06:48
Burgworkmgalvin, grab a number off the BootCharting page06:57
Burgworkdoesn't have to be too accurate, just give a basic idea06:58
Burgworkin fact, better if it was less exact06:58
mgalvinyup ;) i will use those...06:58
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mgalvini you want/have time to help out, you can add it if you like... i am trying to do the xubuntu and edubuntu tours too so any help is very welcome :)06:59
BurgworkI might have some time tonight07:00
mgalvink cool07:00
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KaiLso here is the right place for comments about the DapperBeta-Page08:30
KaiL?08:30
robotgeekKaiL: hmm, go ahead08:31
mdke_yes, although emailing is a much better way08:31
robotgeekmgalvin maintains it, i belive08:31
KaiLthe biggest first: this morning nerw icons landet in dapper - so more or less all screenshots need to be refreshed ;)08:31
jjesseyes mgalvin is working on it08:31
mgalvinKaiL: i am working on it now :)08:31
mgalvini have to retake all the screenshot08:32
mdke_poor guy08:32
mgalvini do that last08:32
KaiLespecially the menu shots, as they look like in breezy times08:32
mdke_the second the page goes up, it is supposed to be up to date08:32
mgalvinit will be all done by the time the beta is released on thursday08:32
KaiLxchat-gnome got removed from the default install08:33
KaiLsame for network-manager08:33
KaiLand positive ideas: bluetooth? ekiga?08:34
mdke_KaiL, dude. he is working on it. The page will be up to date when it is transferred to the website. Perhaps check back tomorrow?08:34
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mdke_grrr08:35
jjessehowever it is more up to date then KubuntuDapperBeta which i'm working on :)08:35
mgalvinekiga is just part of gnome and not really used by many people so that is why i am not mentioning it on the beta tour for now08:35
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mdkeekiga is pretty cool tho... loads of people use skype, and this is a free alternative, right?08:36
mgalvinyea, i had talked about it on flight 4 tour08:37
mgalvini can just copy it over, no biggie to me08:38
mdkeI think that would be nice08:38
mgalvink, i'll add it08:38
mgalvinadded ekiga08:43
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jjesserelease notes stilll in trunk or in branch?09:57
jjesseor both09:57
mdkejjesse, make changes in the branch, and merge back, if you want09:57
mdkeLaserJock, any luck with the xreflabel issues?09:58
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mdkerobotgeek, do you always use xrefs like this? "see <xref linkend="blah"/>"10:01
robotgeekmdke: since i was/am new to docbook, i used the convention that the udg followed10:01
mdkerobotgeek, so yes :)10:01
robotgeekheh10:02
mdkegood, should be simple to remove em then10:02
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mdkewe'll need it in the styleguide, I think10:03
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mdkerobotgeek, can you check the tip in the KDG about changing the default program to open files with? A translator has suggested that it doesn't work10:14
robotgeekhmm, moment10:16
robotgeekthere is no open with tab <sigh>10:20
jjessedid they file a bug on it?10:20
robotgeekjjesse: also, seems like a kubuntu bug. i change the default "open with" application, from amarok to mp3, doublie click still opens up amarok10:21
jjessehrmmm :(10:21
jjessefile a bug on it then i gues s:(10:21
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jjessei have open with 10:23
robotgeekhmm, i wonder why i don't have open with10:23
jjesseit works for me10:23
robotgeekat this point, i am beginning to suspect taht my kde i foobared10:24
robotgeekis fubared10:24
jjessei tried to change the default for an mp3 to kaffiene and then changed it to amarok which worked both ways10:24
mdkeodd10:24
robotgeekyay10:24
robotgeeki overwrote a few configs earlier this week, i think i can't trust my system anymore10:25
mdkelemme read the mail from the translator10:26
mdkeok, it's more detailed10:28
jjessepastebin it??10:28
mdkei have to translate it :)10:28
mdkerobotgeek, he says that you right click, then open with, then a drop down menu, then "Other"10:29
mdkesorry, right click, then properties, then open with10:29
robotgeekyeah, that the way it appears on my menu10:30
mdkeoh shit, I've got totally muddles10:30
mdkethat's what the _guide_ says10:30
robotgeek<right click> -> Open with -> other10:30
robotgeekthat's what i have on my system10:31
jjessei did right click open with and selected other then set as default action10:31
mdkeright10:31
robotgeekneeds to be fixed in the guide then10:31
mdkeand the guide says "right click -> properties10:31
robotgeeki swear, we had a tab there before :)10:31
mdkei think it is a recent change, from what he seems to be saying10:31
robotgeeki couldn't have written wrong instructions in such detail10:32
mdkeheh10:32
robotgeekokay, will fix. 10:33
robotgeekmdke: cause i am uploading a change, can i also make another change?10:42
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mdkeheh10:42
mdkewhat's the change?10:42
mdkebear in mind that translating a long paragraph can take quite some time, so if it's a long one, try and avoid it10:43
robotgeeki like the fonts section in udg vs kdg, same content10:43
robotgeekhttp://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktop-tips.html#fonts http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch05s01.html#fonts10:44
mdkehmm10:45
mdkego on then10:45
robotgeekkk10:46
robotgeekmdke: what's command to update translations again?10:47
mdkerobotgeek, xml2po -e -o desktopguide.pot C/*.xml10:56
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mdkerobotgeek, svn diff desktopguide.pot just to check10:58
robotgeekcrap, i think i messed something up10:59
robotgeeki committed before checking the translations11:00
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robotgeekmdke: okay, i think the desktopguide.pot is not present previously, updating11:05
mdkerobotgeek, sorry?11:06
robotgeekmdke: i commited it, can you check if it works (in other words,  if i  did not screw up)11:07
mdkerobotgeek, you did it in trunk11:07
mdkerobotgeek, that's why desktopguide.pot wasn't there ;)11:08
robotgeeki was supposed to do it in branches, <it all comes back to me now>11:08
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robotgeekmdke: commited, i don't see the dapper branch in ubuntu-doc, might be worth using svn:externals to pull it in11:20
mdke???11:21
mdkerobotgeek, sorry, what's the matter? svn:externals are certainly not necessary11:21
robotgeekmdke: i think i am going blind, is there a dapper branch in the ubuntu-doc tree itself?11:22
mdkerobotgeek, branches/dapper11:22
robotgeeki don't see it, weird11:22
mdkehttps://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper11:23
robotgeekno, i meant when we checkout stuff. i have this now, though11:24
mdkeperhaps you are just checking out trunk?11:24
robotgeekyeah, i guess i will checkout everything. might have been too clever earlier11:24
mdkethat's quite a lot of changes in the pot file, I need to have a closer look11:25
robotgeeki htink it's mostly due to changes in line numbers11:26
mdkeyes, maybe11:26
mdkeok, line number changes are fine11:30
mdkerobotgeek, thanks11:31
mdkei'll ping riddell for an upload11:32
robotgeekmdke: sorry for confusion11:32
LaserJockmdke: sorry, been really busy at work and home. I'm checking now11:49
mdkeLaserJock, np, plenty of time. Was just curious11:49
LaserJockheh, I didn't know that grad school was just a long series of meetings when I started ;-)11:51
trappistgrad school sounds like cake12:01
trappistprolly have to get a degree first though, huh12:01
mdkestaying in university for as long as possible is definitely the way forward12:02
LaserJockargghh, mdke don't say that12:02
LaserJockI'm finishing my 8th straight year12:02
LaserJockand I'm tired12:02
mdkeheh, i was tired after my masters12:03
trappistI was tired after two weeks12:03
mdkenow I miss it, grass is always greener12:03
trappisttired and too injured to drive to school12:03
LaserJocksure, I know I'll miss it12:03
mdkeit's cushy, all I did was play with linux12:04
LaserJockbut I'd like to get a "real" job12:04
mdkehardly learnt any law12:04
LaserJockheh, that's my current problem12:04
LaserJockI'm never going to get out at this rate, and my wife is going to kill me if I don't (she's done already)12:04
mdkeheh12:05

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