=== damned [n=vpol@damned.vpol.org.ru] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:22] LaserJock: is the dapper doc branch in sync w/ trunk currently? [12:22] no [12:23] so I should be working from dapper's branch, I presume? [12:23] crimsun: for what? [12:23] for anything in doc [12:23] crimsun, for anything dapper+1, we will work in the trunk [12:24] it may be that some maintainers haven't merged all their changes to trunk yet [12:24] crimsun: well, if you want it to go into Dapper, yes. But we are at the doc string freeze [12:24] if so, and you want to work on something, bug them about it [12:24] crimsun: I'm pretty sure the Packaging Guide is synced [12:24] LaserJock: I generally do two passes per edit with a week or so separating each pass [12:27] crimsun: the packaging guide in the dapper branch and trunk are the same currently === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205830.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208058.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [i=user@69-87-140-35.async.iserv.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205611.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-148-220.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === frank23 [n=frank@modemcable135.248-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205611.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@219-89-145-100.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@222-154-183-99.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt__ [n=mpt@219-89-157-93.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-200-144.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-9-55.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-157-86.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@219-89-141-143.jetstart.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:02] hi Burgundavia [08:02] salut Madpilot === Madpilot is wondering whying why the heck he volunteered as an #ubuntu op... ;P [08:05] indeed [08:06] Madpilot: pyweek just finished, and the entries were all about steam. 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[03:00] wouldn't it come before? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:14] i dont remember lol === jsgotangco looks for a dead tree copy [03:14] grin i don't either [03:15] just asked my wife who is an editor: the appendix comes first befuase there might be the need for something in the appendix to be glossaried [03:16] if that makes sense [03:16] lol the first book i grabbed had the title "what to expect on the first year of childhood" [03:16] hmmm [03:16] makes sense [03:16] that book is the follow up for what to expect when you are expecting :) [03:18] no we didnt get that book since everything was unexpected lol [03:19] jjesse, can you ask if the appendix and the annex are the same? [03:19] jsgotangco: sure can [03:20] grin that's funny [03:20] a new book, what to expect when you are not expecting :) [03:21] For all practical purposes, yes I think so. We have customers request that they be called "Annexes" rather than "Appendices" sometimes. But it should be consistent throughout the book, whatever word is chosen. [03:23] ahhh [03:23] docbook only has appendix [03:23] thanks [03:23] ok time for the horrifying part: docbook tables [03:23] urgghh === jsgotangco thinks he shouldn't be stubborn anymore and just do this work in oxygen === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul emails jsgotangco lots of oxygen === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:47] mgalvin, for the bootchart, it might be nice if you could have a comparison chart [06:47] a two bar chart with boot time for breezy and dapper [06:47] yea, i just don't have a breezy box atm :( [06:48] i will try and do that if i have time [06:57] mgalvin, grab a number off the BootCharting page [06:58] doesn't have to be too accurate, just give a basic idea [06:58] in fact, better if it was less exact [06:58] yup ;) i will use those... === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:59] i you want/have time to help out, you can add it if you like... i am trying to do the xubuntu and edubuntu tours too so any help is very welcome :) [07:00] I might have some time tonight [07:00] k cool === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:30] so here is the right place for comments about the DapperBeta-Page [08:30] ? [08:31] KaiL: hmm, go ahead [08:31] yes, although emailing is a much better way [08:31] mgalvin maintains it, i belive [08:31] the biggest first: this morning nerw icons landet in dapper - so more or less all screenshots need to be refreshed ;) [08:31] yes mgalvin is working on it [08:31] KaiL: i am working on it now :) [08:32] i have to retake all the screenshot [08:32] poor guy [08:32] i do that last [08:32] especially the menu shots, as they look like in breezy times [08:32] the second the page goes up, it is supposed to be up to date [08:32] it will be all done by the time the beta is released on thursday [08:33] xchat-gnome got removed from the default install [08:33] same for network-manager [08:34] and positive ideas: bluetooth? ekiga? [08:34] KaiL, dude. he is working on it. The page will be up to date when it is transferred to the website. Perhaps check back tomorrow? === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F7D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Ex-Chat"] [08:35] grrr [08:35] however it is more up to date then KubuntuDapperBeta which i'm working on :) [08:35] ekiga is just part of gnome and not really used by many people so that is why i am not mentioning it on the beta tour for now === mdke hugs jjesse [08:36] ekiga is pretty cool tho... loads of people use skype, and this is a free alternative, right? [08:37] yea, i had talked about it on flight 4 tour [08:38] i can just copy it over, no biggie to me [08:38] I think that would be nice [08:38] k, i'll add it [08:43] added ekiga === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jauroju [n=jauroju@korppi.elma.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:57] release notes stilll in trunk or in branch? [09:57] or both [09:57] jjesse, make changes in the branch, and merge back, if you want [09:58] LaserJock, any luck with the xreflabel issues? === robotgeek needs to fix too [10:01] robotgeek, do you always use xrefs like this? "see " [10:01] mdke: since i was/am new to docbook, i used the convention that the udg followed [10:01] robotgeek, so yes :) [10:02] heh [10:02] good, should be simple to remove em then === robotgeek thinks it should go into DocbookTags page [10:03] we'll need it in the styleguide, I think === patwack [n=paddy@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust120.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] robotgeek, can you check the tip in the KDG about changing the default program to open files with? A translator has suggested that it doesn't work [10:16] hmm, moment [10:20] there is no open with tab [10:20] did they file a bug on it? [10:21] jjesse: also, seems like a kubuntu bug. i change the default "open with" application, from amarok to mp3, doublie click still opens up amarok [10:21] hrmmm :( [10:21] file a bug on it then i gues s:( === robotgeek double checks [10:23] i have open with [10:23] hmm, i wonder why i don't have open with [10:23] it works for me [10:24] at this point, i am beginning to suspect taht my kde i foobared [10:24] is fubared [10:24] i tried to change the default for an mp3 to kaffiene and then changed it to amarok which worked both ways [10:24] odd [10:24] yay [10:25] i overwrote a few configs earlier this week, i think i can't trust my system anymore [10:26] lemme read the mail from the translator [10:28] ok, it's more detailed [10:28] pastebin it?? [10:28] i have to translate it :) [10:29] robotgeek, he says that you right click, then open with, then a drop down menu, then "Other" [10:29] sorry, right click, then properties, then open with [10:30] yeah, that the way it appears on my menu [10:30] oh shit, I've got totally muddles [10:30] that's what the _guide_ says [10:30] -> Open with -> other [10:31] that's what i have on my system [10:31] i did right click open with and selected other then set as default action [10:31] right [10:31] needs to be fixed in the guide then [10:31] and the guide says "right click -> properties [10:31] i swear, we had a tab there before :) [10:31] i think it is a recent change, from what he seems to be saying [10:32] i couldn't have written wrong instructions in such detail [10:32] heh [10:33] okay, will fix. [10:42] mdke: cause i am uploading a change, can i also make another change? === robotgeek waits for uvf from mdke [10:42] heh [10:42] what's the change? [10:43] bear in mind that translating a long paragraph can take quite some time, so if it's a long one, try and avoid it [10:43] i like the fonts section in udg vs kdg, same content [10:44] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktop-tips.html#fonts http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch05s01.html#fonts [10:45] hmm [10:45] go on then [10:46] kk [10:47] mdke: what's command to update translations again? [10:56] robotgeek, xml2po -e -o desktopguide.pot C/*.xml === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:58] robotgeek, svn diff desktopguide.pot just to check [10:59] crap, i think i messed something up [11:00] i committed before checking the translations === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:05] mdke: okay, i think the desktopguide.pot is not present previously, updating [11:06] robotgeek, sorry? [11:07] mdke: i commited it, can you check if it works (in other words, if i did not screw up) [11:07] robotgeek, you did it in trunk [11:08] robotgeek, that's why desktopguide.pot wasn't there ;) [11:08] i was supposed to do it in branches, === robotgeek goes and reads mailining list [11:20] mdke: commited, i don't see the dapper branch in ubuntu-doc, might be worth using svn:externals to pull it in [11:21] ??? [11:21] robotgeek, sorry, what's the matter? svn:externals are certainly not necessary [11:22] mdke: i think i am going blind, is there a dapper branch in the ubuntu-doc tree itself? [11:22] robotgeek, branches/dapper [11:22] i don't see it, weird [11:23] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper [11:24] no, i meant when we checkout stuff. i have this now, though [11:24] perhaps you are just checking out trunk? [11:24] yeah, i guess i will checkout everything. might have been too clever earlier [11:25] that's quite a lot of changes in the pot file, I need to have a closer look [11:26] i htink it's mostly due to changes in line numbers [11:26] yes, maybe [11:30] ok, line number changes are fine [11:31] robotgeek, thanks [11:32] i'll ping riddell for an upload [11:32] mdke: sorry for confusion [11:49] mdke: sorry, been really busy at work and home. I'm checking now [11:49] LaserJock, np, plenty of time. Was just curious [11:51] heh, I didn't know that grad school was just a long series of meetings when I started ;-) [12:01] grad school sounds like cake [12:01] prolly have to get a degree first though, huh [12:02] staying in university for as long as possible is definitely the way forward [12:02] argghh, mdke don't say that [12:02] I'm finishing my 8th straight year [12:02] and I'm tired [12:03] heh, i was tired after my masters [12:03] I was tired after two weeks [12:03] now I miss it, grass is always greener [12:03] tired and too injured to drive to school [12:03] sure, I know I'll miss it [12:04] it's cushy, all I did was play with linux [12:04] but I'd like to get a "real" job [12:04] hardly learnt any law [12:04] heh, that's my current problem [12:04] I'm never going to get out at this rate, and my wife is going to kill me if I don't (she's done already) [12:05] heh