[12:22] <crimsun> LaserJock: is the dapper doc branch in sync w/ trunk currently?
[12:22] <LaserJock> no
[12:23] <crimsun> so I should be working from dapper's branch, I presume?
[12:23] <LaserJock> crimsun: for what?
[12:23] <crimsun> for anything in doc
[12:23] <mdke> crimsun, for anything dapper+1, we will work in the trunk
[12:24] <mdke> it may be that some maintainers haven't merged all their changes to trunk yet
[12:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: well, if you want it to go into Dapper, yes. But we are at the doc string freeze
[12:24] <mdke> if so, and you want to work on something, bug them about it
[12:24] <LaserJock> crimsun: I'm pretty sure the Packaging Guide is synced
[12:24] <crimsun> LaserJock: I generally do two passes per edit with a week or so separating each pass
[12:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: the packaging guide in the dapper branch and trunk are the same currently
[08:02] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia 
[08:02] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot
[08:05] <Burgundavia> indeed
[08:06] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: pyweek just finished, and the entries were all about steam. Some are very cool little games: pyweek.org
[08:08] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: this one looks like fun -->  http://www.pyweek.org/e/Pekuja/
[11:50] <buttfukc> ompaul likes it up the butt
[02:47] <jsgotangco> hmmm does an appendix come before or after a glossary?
[03:00] <jjesse_> wouldn't it come before?
[03:14] <jsgotangco> i dont remember lol
[03:14] <jjesse_> grin i don't either
[03:15] <jjesse_> just asked my wife who is an editor: the appendix comes first befuase there might be the need for something in the appendix to be glossaried
[03:16] <jjesse_> if that makes sense
[03:16] <jsgotangco> lol the first book i grabbed had the title "what to expect on the first year of childhood"
[03:16] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:16] <jsgotangco> makes sense
[03:16] <jjesse_> that book is the follow up for what to expect when you are expecting :)
[03:18] <jsgotangco> no we didnt get that book since everything was unexpected lol
[03:19] <jsgotangco> jjesse, can you ask if the appendix and the annex are the same?
[03:19] <jjesse> jsgotangco: sure can
[03:20] <jjesse> grin that's funny
[03:20] <jjesse> a new book, what to expect when you are not expecting :)
[03:21] <jjesse> For all practical purposes, yes I think so. We have customers request that they be called "Annexes" rather than "Appendices" sometimes. But it should be consistent throughout the book, whatever word is chosen.
[03:23] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:23] <jsgotangco> docbook only has appendix
[03:23] <jsgotangco> thanks
[03:23] <jsgotangco> ok time for the horrifying part: docbook tables
[03:23] <jsgotangco> urgghh
[06:47] <Burgwork> mgalvin, for the bootchart, it might be nice if you could have a comparison chart
[06:47] <Burgwork> a two bar chart with boot time for breezy and dapper
[06:47] <mgalvin> yea, i just don't have a breezy box atm :(
[06:48] <mgalvin> i will try and do that if i have time
[06:57] <Burgwork> mgalvin, grab a number off the BootCharting page
[06:58] <Burgwork> doesn't have to be too accurate, just give a basic idea
[06:58] <Burgwork> in fact, better if it was less exact
[06:58] <mgalvin> yup ;) i will use those...
[06:59] <mgalvin> i you want/have time to help out, you can add it if you like... i am trying to do the xubuntu and edubuntu tours too so any help is very welcome :)
[07:00] <Burgwork> I might have some time tonight
[07:00] <mgalvin> k cool
[08:30] <KaiL> so here is the right place for comments about the DapperBeta-Page
[08:30] <KaiL> ?
[08:31] <robotgeek> KaiL: hmm, go ahead
[08:31] <mdke_> yes, although emailing is a much better way
[08:31] <robotgeek> mgalvin maintains it, i belive
[08:31] <KaiL> the biggest first: this morning nerw icons landet in dapper - so more or less all screenshots need to be refreshed ;)
[08:31] <jjesse> yes mgalvin is working on it
[08:31] <mgalvin> KaiL: i am working on it now :)
[08:32] <mgalvin> i have to retake all the screenshot
[08:32] <mdke_> poor guy
[08:32] <mgalvin> i do that last
[08:32] <KaiL> especially the menu shots, as they look like in breezy times
[08:32] <mdke_> the second the page goes up, it is supposed to be up to date
[08:32] <mgalvin> it will be all done by the time the beta is released on thursday
[08:33] <KaiL> xchat-gnome got removed from the default install
[08:33] <KaiL> same for network-manager
[08:34] <KaiL> and positive ideas: bluetooth? ekiga?
[08:34] <mdke_> KaiL, dude. he is working on it. The page will be up to date when it is transferred to the website. Perhaps check back tomorrow?
[08:35] <mdke_> grrr
[08:35] <jjesse> however it is more up to date then KubuntuDapperBeta which i'm working on :)
[08:35] <mgalvin> ekiga is just part of gnome and not really used by many people so that is why i am not mentioning it on the beta tour for now
[08:36] <mdke> ekiga is pretty cool tho... loads of people use skype, and this is a free alternative, right?
[08:37] <mgalvin> yea, i had talked about it on flight 4 tour
[08:38] <mgalvin> i can just copy it over, no biggie to me
[08:38] <mdke> I think that would be nice
[08:38] <mgalvin> k, i'll add it
[08:43] <mgalvin> added ekiga
[09:57] <jjesse> release notes stilll in trunk or in branch?
[09:57] <jjesse> or both
[09:57] <mdke> jjesse, make changes in the branch, and merge back, if you want
[09:58] <mdke> LaserJock, any luck with the xreflabel issues?
[10:01] <mdke> robotgeek, do you always use xrefs like this? "see <xref linkend="blah"/>"
[10:01] <robotgeek> mdke: since i was/am new to docbook, i used the convention that the udg followed
[10:01] <mdke> robotgeek, so yes :)
[10:02] <robotgeek> heh
[10:02] <mdke> good, should be simple to remove em then
[10:03] <mdke> we'll need it in the styleguide, I think
[10:14] <mdke> robotgeek, can you check the tip in the KDG about changing the default program to open files with? A translator has suggested that it doesn't work
[10:16] <robotgeek> hmm, moment
[10:20] <robotgeek> there is no open with tab <sigh>
[10:20] <jjesse> did they file a bug on it?
[10:21] <robotgeek> jjesse: also, seems like a kubuntu bug. i change the default "open with" application, from amarok to mp3, doublie click still opens up amarok
[10:21] <jjesse> hrmmm :(
[10:21] <jjesse> file a bug on it then i gues s:(
[10:23] <jjesse> i have open with 
[10:23] <robotgeek> hmm, i wonder why i don't have open with
[10:23] <jjesse> it works for me
[10:24] <robotgeek> at this point, i am beginning to suspect taht my kde i foobared
[10:24] <robotgeek> is fubared
[10:24] <jjesse> i tried to change the default for an mp3 to kaffiene and then changed it to amarok which worked both ways
[10:24] <mdke> odd
[10:24] <robotgeek> yay
[10:25] <robotgeek> i overwrote a few configs earlier this week, i think i can't trust my system anymore
[10:26] <mdke> lemme read the mail from the translator
[10:28] <mdke> ok, it's more detailed
[10:28] <jjesse> pastebin it??
[10:28] <mdke> i have to translate it :)
[10:29] <mdke> robotgeek, he says that you right click, then open with, then a drop down menu, then "Other"
[10:29] <mdke> sorry, right click, then properties, then open with
[10:30] <robotgeek> yeah, that the way it appears on my menu
[10:30] <mdke> oh shit, I've got totally muddles
[10:30] <mdke> that's what the _guide_ says
[10:30] <robotgeek> <right click> -> Open with -> other
[10:31] <robotgeek> that's what i have on my system
[10:31] <jjesse> i did right click open with and selected other then set as default action
[10:31] <mdke> right
[10:31] <robotgeek> needs to be fixed in the guide then
[10:31] <mdke> and the guide says "right click -> properties
[10:31] <robotgeek> i swear, we had a tab there before :)
[10:31] <mdke> i think it is a recent change, from what he seems to be saying
[10:32] <robotgeek> i couldn't have written wrong instructions in such detail
[10:32] <mdke> heh
[10:33] <robotgeek> okay, will fix. 
[10:42] <robotgeek> mdke: cause i am uploading a change, can i also make another change?
[10:42] <mdke> heh
[10:42] <mdke> what's the change?
[10:43] <mdke> bear in mind that translating a long paragraph can take quite some time, so if it's a long one, try and avoid it
[10:43] <robotgeek> i like the fonts section in udg vs kdg, same content
[10:44] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktop-tips.html#fonts http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch05s01.html#fonts
[10:45] <mdke> hmm
[10:45] <mdke> go on then
[10:46] <robotgeek> kk
[10:47] <robotgeek> mdke: what's command to update translations again?
[10:56] <mdke> robotgeek, xml2po -e -o desktopguide.pot C/*.xml
[10:58] <mdke> robotgeek, svn diff desktopguide.pot just to check
[10:59] <robotgeek> crap, i think i messed something up
[11:00] <robotgeek> i committed before checking the translations
[11:05] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, i think the desktopguide.pot is not present previously, updating
[11:06] <mdke> robotgeek, sorry?
[11:07] <robotgeek> mdke: i commited it, can you check if it works (in other words,  if i  did not screw up)
[11:07] <mdke> robotgeek, you did it in trunk
[11:08] <mdke> robotgeek, that's why desktopguide.pot wasn't there ;)
[11:08] <robotgeek> i was supposed to do it in branches, <it all comes back to me now>
[11:20] <robotgeek> mdke: commited, i don't see the dapper branch in ubuntu-doc, might be worth using svn:externals to pull it in
[11:21] <mdke> ???
[11:21] <mdke> robotgeek, sorry, what's the matter? svn:externals are certainly not necessary
[11:22] <robotgeek> mdke: i think i am going blind, is there a dapper branch in the ubuntu-doc tree itself?
[11:22] <mdke> robotgeek, branches/dapper
[11:22] <robotgeek> i don't see it, weird
[11:23] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper
[11:24] <robotgeek> no, i meant when we checkout stuff. i have this now, though
[11:24] <mdke> perhaps you are just checking out trunk?
[11:24] <robotgeek> yeah, i guess i will checkout everything. might have been too clever earlier
[11:25] <mdke> that's quite a lot of changes in the pot file, I need to have a closer look
[11:26] <robotgeek> i htink it's mostly due to changes in line numbers
[11:26] <mdke> yes, maybe
[11:30] <mdke> ok, line number changes are fine
[11:31] <mdke> robotgeek, thanks
[11:32] <mdke> i'll ping riddell for an upload
[11:32] <robotgeek> mdke: sorry for confusion
[11:49] <LaserJock> mdke: sorry, been really busy at work and home. I'm checking now
[11:49] <mdke> LaserJock, np, plenty of time. Was just curious
[11:51] <LaserJock> heh, I didn't know that grad school was just a long series of meetings when I started ;-)
[12:01] <trappist> grad school sounds like cake
[12:01] <trappist> prolly have to get a degree first though, huh
[12:02] <mdke> staying in university for as long as possible is definitely the way forward
[12:02] <LaserJock> argghh, mdke don't say that
[12:02] <LaserJock> I'm finishing my 8th straight year
[12:02] <LaserJock> and I'm tired
[12:03] <mdke> heh, i was tired after my masters
[12:03] <trappist> I was tired after two weeks
[12:03] <mdke> now I miss it, grass is always greener
[12:03] <trappist> tired and too injured to drive to school
[12:03] <LaserJock> sure, I know I'll miss it
[12:04] <mdke> it's cushy, all I did was play with linux
[12:04] <LaserJock> but I'd like to get a "real" job
[12:04] <mdke> hardly learnt any law
[12:04] <LaserJock> heh, that's my current problem
[12:04] <LaserJock> I'm never going to get out at this rate, and my wife is going to kill me if I don't (she's done already)
[12:05] <mdke> heh