[08:06] <robitaille> @topic
[08:06] <robitaille> @schedule US/Pacific
[08:06] <Ubugtu> Schedule for US/Pacific: 18 Apr 14:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 06:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 13:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 13:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 05:00: Edubuntu
[08:11] <Toadstool> @schedule Europe/Paris
[08:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[09:03] <Fracture> @schedule Australia/Brisbane
[09:03] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Australia/Brisbane: 19 Apr 07:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 23:30: Xubuntu | 21 Apr 06:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 06:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu
[09:27] <neuralis> @schedule new_york
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 18 Apr 17:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 09:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 16:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[10:05] <Lure> @schedule Europe/Ljubljana
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[10:07] <freeflying> @schedule Asia/Shanghai
[10:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 19 Apr 05:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 21 Apr 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 04:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu
[04:16] <JaneW>  @schedule South Africa
[04:16] <JaneW> @schedule South Africa
[04:17] <ogra> probably @schedule capetown 
[04:17] <JaneW> @schedule Africa/Johannesburg
[04:17] <ogra> hmm
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[04:17] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[04:17] <ogra> :)
[04:17] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 19 Apr 00:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 16:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 23:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 23:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 15:00: Edubuntu
[04:17] <JaneW> gah 23:00!
[04:17] <JaneW> :/
[04:17] <ogra> nah 21:00
[04:17] <ogra> (UTC)
[04:17] <ogra> ;)
[04:18] <sivang> JaneW: yep :)
[04:18] <JaneW> Schedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council
[04:18] <sivang> JaneW: we are on the same time zone IIRC
[04:18] <ogra> which is 21:00 UTC 
[04:18] <sivang> ogra: this is alredy translted from UTC to ours :)
[04:18] <ogra> sivang, with different DST ?
[04:18] <JaneW> Isreal seesm to be UTC +3
[04:18] <JaneW> we are UTC +2
[04:18] <sivang> IIRC we are also UTC+2
[04:18] <sivang> weird
[04:19] <ogra> @schedule germany/cologne
[04:19] <sivang> JaneW: what time is it now for you ?
[04:19] <ogra> pffffffft !!!
[04:19] <JaneW> sivang: do you have daylight savings?
[04:19] <JaneW> 16:18 here now
[04:19] <sivang> JaneW: yes, alrady enabled
[04:19] <sivang> ah
[04:19] <JaneW> sivang: we don;t
[04:19] <sivang> JaneW: :) so it's ont hour ealier for you
[04:19] <JaneW> we just stay at UTC +2
[04:19] <JaneW> makes things a lot easier
[04:19] <sivang> sure, wish was here as well
[04:19] <ogra> @schedule europe/amsterdam 
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Amsterdam: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[04:20] <JaneW> ok well I can't guarrantee to be at CC at 23:00unless I am wanted/needed/bribed
[04:21] <sivang> heh
[04:21] <ogra> JaneW, you have a topic on the agenda (two actually)
[04:26] <JaneW> I do?
[04:26] <ogra> #
[04:26] <ogra> Should we consider applying as a mentoring organization once again for Google's SoC 2006?
[04:26] <ogra>     *
[04:26] <ogra>       [WWW]  http://code.google.com/soc/
[04:27] <ogra> What's the policy for adding people to kubuntu-members and edubuntu-memebers launchpad teams ? jriddell, ogra
[04:29] <sivang> JaneW: I just saw your spec status chang for HUB, I guess I can start relazing now with i abit ;-)
[04:30] <sivang> relaxing, even
[04:43] <JaneW> sivang: yep, it
[04:43] <JaneW> 's really too late now
[04:44] <ogra> not for universe :) but it was too late for main weeks ago already 
[04:47] <JaneW> ogra: yes of course, universe is always an option
[04:47] <JaneW> but I meant for dapper main inclusion
[04:47] <ogra> yep
[04:47] <JaneW> which afaik sivang was aiming for
[04:47] <ogra> i just wanted to notify sivang that its still possible ...
[04:47] <ogra> just not for main
[04:48] <JaneW> who put that SoC topic up?
[04:48] <ogra> i didnt
[04:48] <ogra> i thought it was
[04:48] <ogra> you+
[04:48] <ogra> (i'll surely vouch against it as many will)
[04:49] <JaneW> really?
[04:50] <ogra> yep
[04:50] <JaneW> I thought it was pretty much a given that we would participate again
[04:50] <JaneW> and mdz seemed to be in favour too
[04:50] <ogra> we only have 4 months for the upcoming release ...
[04:50] <JaneW> yes and this can help to get more stuff done
[04:50] <ogra> last SoC stole a lot of my time with not much outcome
[04:50] <JaneW> granted time is required for mentoring
[04:51] <JaneW> but the whole point is to help ppl to grow to be able to be useful...
[04:51] <ogra> i'd rather teach some people eager to help with edubuntu how to package than having to fix applications of SoC students that wrote a nice theme for SoC but have no clue
[04:51] <JaneW> additionally I think it would do us a disservice ITO PR to NOT be seen to participate since all the big OSS projects are
[04:52] <ogra> yes, thats why i prefer to support people in *our* community rather tha some random SoC student
[04:52] <JaneW> ogra: we could be more selective this time
[04:52] <JaneW> that was my intention
[04:52] <ogra> the outcome for us willl be far more valuable if we inverst the same time into *our* community
[04:52] <JaneW> we had no interaction with our students before the selection last time, and we asked to change that
[04:53] <JaneW> yes well spacey for one would qualify
[04:53] <ogra> PR is the only advantage i can think about
[04:53] <JaneW> if he cares to apply
[04:53] <JaneW> so like I said we can use it to our advantage
[04:54] <ogra> sure, if we can select people from our community, thats fine ... but i'm sure that will only work if we get enough applicants
[04:54] <JaneW> you have to be a registered student, and older than 18 
[04:54] <ogra> s/applicants/applicants from whithin the community/
[04:55] <JaneW> (and some silly rules like you can be in Irna, Iraq, Cuba, North Korea) *rolls eyes*
[04:55] <ogra> anyway, lets keep the discussion for the meeting, i'm sure there will come up more ...
[04:56] <ogra> i'm also not sure thats CC thing at all i'd rather put it under TB
[05:20] <Yagisan> @schedule GMT+10
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+10: 18 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 02:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 03:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 10:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 10:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 02:00: Edubuntu
[05:28] <Klaidas> @schedule GMT+2
[05:28] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+2: 18 Apr 19:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 18:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 18:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu
[05:28] <Klaidas> cool feature. I didn't know about it :)
[05:29] <Yann2> @schedule GMT+1
[05:29] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+1: 18 Apr 20:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 11:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 12:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 19:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 19:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 11:00: Edubuntu
[07:21] <Ju> Hi all !
[08:24] <Yann2> @schedule GMT+1
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+1: 18 Apr 20:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 11:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 12:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 19:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 19:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 11:00: Edubuntu
[08:24] <Yann2> Ju > ?
[08:24] <Yann2> it's wrong, isn't it? ^^
[08:32] <mpathy> Hi Seveas..
[08:32] <Seveas> hi
[08:43] <lucas> @schedule Paris
[08:43] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[08:43] <lucas> it's wrong.
[08:44] <Seveas> it's not
[08:44] <lucas> CC meeting is in 2 hours ?
[08:44] <Seveas> and 16 minutes
[08:44] <lucas> ah I misread the topic earlier
[08:54] <mpathy> @schedule Berlin
[08:54] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[08:54] <Yann2> lucas , pv :)
[09:07] <zul> @schedule Ottawa
[09:07] <Yann2> @schedule GMT+2
[09:07] <cbx33> @schedule uk
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+2: 18 Apr 19:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 18:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 18:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu
[09:07] <zul> @schedule Montreal
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 18 Apr 17:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 09:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 16:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[09:07] <cbx33> @schedule GMT
[09:07] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT: 18 Apr 21:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 13:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 20:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 20:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu
[09:08] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[09:08] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[09:08] <cbx33> grrr
[09:08] <cbx33> heheeh
[09:09] <Yann2> @schedule UTC+2
[09:09] <Yann2> @schedule Paris
[09:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[09:09] <Yann2> @schedule GMT+2
[09:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT+2: 18 Apr 19:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 18:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 18:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu
[09:09] <Yann2> ahem, Paris is UTC+2 isn't it? :s
[09:09] <juliux> Yann2, yes it is utc+2
[09:09] <Yann2> ok :)
[09:10] <juliux> Yann2, berlin is utc+2 and it is now 21:10
[09:57] <cbx33> @schedule
[09:57] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[09:57] <cbx33> @schedule GMT
[09:58] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Etc/GMT: 18 Apr 21:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 13:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 20:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 20:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 12:00: Edubuntu
[10:11] <zul> @schedule Montreal
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/Montreal: 18 Apr 17:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 09:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 16:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 16:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 08:00: Edubuntu
[10:11] <dholbach> @schedule berlin
[10:11] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 18 Apr 23:00: Community Council | 19 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 15:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 22:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 22:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu
[10:11] <zul> bah...berlin..
[10:11] <juliux> @schedule dresden 
[10:11] <juliux> :-(
[10:11] <dholbach> juliux: as if we weren't in the same timezone :)
[10:11] <dholbach> zul: pffffft :)
[10:11] <juliux> dholbach, hehe
[10:12] <ogra> @schedule blankenheim/rohr
[10:12] <juliux> dholbach, here it is east germany ;)
[10:12] <ogra> bah
[10:14] <cbx33> I was here 13 minutes ago ready to start
[10:15] <zul> only?
[10:35] <atie_> hi all
[10:35] <juliux> hi atie_ 
[10:35] <BlueT_> atie_: yo
[10:36] <atie_> juliux, BlueT_  hi
[10:36] <mitsuhiko> hiho all
[10:36] <atie_> BlueT_, are you gonna apply membership today?
[10:41] <BlueT_> atie_: yes. and sorry for i didn't show up at the last meeting
[10:42] <atie_> BlueT_, good luck. :)
[10:42] <BlueT_> atie_: i almost dead for some personal reason last time.
[10:43] <cbx33> how long does it take before you can apply normally?
[10:43] <BlueT_> atie_: my apologize.
[10:43] <atie_> BlueT_, no... not to me. ^^
[10:44] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[10:45] <Gloubiboulga> evening Toadstool ;)
[10:45] <cbx33> evenin all
[10:45] <BlueT_> Toadstool: moin :)
[10:45] <cbx33> awww don;t be nervous BlueT_ 
[10:46] <mitsuhiko> 15 minutes countdown :)
[10:47] <juliux> hi rockin_stan 
[10:47] <rockin_stan> juliux: hi there ;)
[10:54] <BlueT_> cbx33, mitsuhiko: thanx :)
[10:55] <cbx33> You'll be fine
[10:55] <Bluekuja> hi all
[10:55] <Bluekuja> hi BlueT_
[10:55] <Bluekuja> ;)
[10:55] <cbx33> Hi Bluekuja 
[10:55] <BlueT_> what should i prepare for this meeting?
[10:55] <Bluekuja> hey cbx33 :)
[10:55] <BlueT_> Bluekuja: long time no see :D
[10:55] <cbx33> You mean the one that's starting in 5 minutes :p
[10:55] <Bluekuja> yeah hehe
[10:56] <Bluekuja> you are alwais busy
[10:56] <Bluekuja> working
[10:56] <Bluekuja> hehe ;)
[10:56] <BlueT_> Bluekuja: i went to mainland china last week :)
[10:56] <cbx33> crikey :p
[10:56] <Bluekuja> oh really nice
[10:56] <juliux> hi Surfels 
[10:56] <Bluekuja> i have to make a trip in china
[10:56] <atie_> BlueT_, 3 lines about your contributions and efforts to Ubuntu.
[10:56] <Surfels> hi
[10:57] <BlueT_> atie_: 3 lines only?!
[10:57] <juliux> hi SHAKAL 
[10:57] <Bluekuja> lol
[10:57] <cbx33> BlueT_, see told ya :p
[10:57] <SHAKAL> Hello and good evening from germany community
[10:57] <Bluekuja> hello
[10:57] <SHAKAL> hi juliux
[10:57] <atie_> BlueT_, I know you have more than that... less than 10 lines?
[10:57] <Bluekuja> 3 minutes and we go
[10:58] <BlueT_> atie_: i prepared over 30 lines... lol
[10:58] <Bluekuja> hehe
[10:58] <atie_> BlueT_, lol
[10:58] <Potter> LOL, Jalba.
[10:58] <Jalba> :r
[10:58] <Bluekuja> oh no 
[10:58] <cbx33> last minute preparation
[10:58] <Bluekuja> blue_t gone
[10:58] <cbx33> aka briking it :p
[10:59] <Seveas> keep it down please people - no need to clutter the logs 
[10:59] <Bluekuja> ok dennis
[10:59] <cbx33> my apologies
[10:59] <Seveas> Kamion, elmo, mako ping
[10:59] <BlueT_> irssi core dumped....  ToT
[11:00] <BlueT_>   4 19 05:00:22 CST 2006
[11:00] <BlueT_> here we go?
[11:00] <Bluekuja> we have to wait the council
[11:00] <Bluekuja> ^^
[11:01] <Bluekuja> ciao matt ;)
[11:01] <mdke> Bluekuja, hi
[11:01] <BlueT_> irssi and gaim crashes oftenly :(
[11:02] <BlueT_> freeflying: yo :D
[11:02] <freeflying> BlueT_: hi
[11:04] <Seveas> --- [elmo]  idle 03:09:21, signon: Sat Mar 25 03:42:13
[11:04] <Seveas> --- [mako]  idle 01:04:46, signon: Wed Apr 12 12:14:24
[11:04] <Seveas> doesn't look too good for quorum...
[11:04] <kjcole> CC meeting, yes?
[11:04] <highvoltage> yep
[11:04] <SHAKAL> Hi Yann2
[11:05] <kjcole> In that case ... ;-)
[11:05] <juliux> hi lucas 
[11:05] <mdke> Kamion, are the others coming?
[11:05] <lucasvo> hi juliux 
[11:06] <ompaul> hehe
[11:06] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: lol
[11:06] <SHAKAL> hi mitsuhiko
[11:06] <SHAKAL> :)
[11:06] <Razor-X> I'm just here to observ :P.
[11:06] <Razor-X> *observe
[11:06] <cbx33> AndreaVeri, good idea :p
[11:06] <AndreaVeri> ^^
[11:07] <mako> hey all
[11:07] <mako> was at a meeting
[11:07] <AndreaVeri> hi mako
[11:07] <Seveas> hey mako
[11:07] <Toadstool> hi mako 
[11:07] <mako> give me a couple minutess
[11:07] <juliux> hi mako 
[11:07] <Seveas> you're the first one to arrive 
[11:07] <kjcole> Hiya mako
[11:07] <mitsuhiko> hiho mako
[11:07] <lucasvo> juliux: your name sounds like Blocher
[11:07] <lucasvo> :)
[11:07] <juliux> lucas, lol
[11:07] <mako> hmm..
[11:07] <lucasvo> a well known politician in ch ;)
[11:07] <ompaul> mako, good afternoon/evening
[11:07] <mako> alright.. i can sms
[11:08] <highvoltage> hi mako 
[11:08] <mako> see if anyone else arrives
[11:08] <elmo> I'm here
[11:08] <AndreaVeri> hi elmo
[11:08] <juliux> hi elmo 
[11:08] <ogra> yay, CC appears !
[11:08] <highvoltage> and practically on time!
[11:08] <lucasvo> hi everybody
[11:08] <Seveas> Kamion should be around too, idle time of a few minutes
[11:08] <mitsuhiko> ogra: finally ^^
[11:08] <Seveas> mitsuhiko, they're quite early this time
[11:08] <SHAKAL> Hi ogra
[11:09] <cbx33> evenin ogra 
[11:09] <ogra> hey hey
[11:09] <Seveas> 
[11:09] <imexius> Salutation from the Thundering Bay
[11:09] <zul> thunder bay?
[11:09] <imexius> yup
[11:09] <zul> cool...my wife went to school there
[11:09] <JaneW> where's that?
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> Nice place.  I'm fond of the whole NW shore.
[11:10] <imexius> Meh its alright, our population has dropped considerably though
[11:10] <JaneW> hi ogra
[11:10] <JaneW> even I made it :)
[11:10] <ogra> hey JaneW 
[11:10] <ogra> yeah
[11:10] <Burgwork> imexius, join  #ubuntu-ca
[11:10] <zul> hi JaneW 
[11:10] <carthik> JaneW, probably Ontario, Canada
[11:10] <ogra> we're still missing at least one CC member for quorum
[11:11] <JaneW> oh dear
[11:11] <juliux> ogra, i made edubuntu dvd boxes for wiesbaden
[11:11] <JaneW> carthik: oic, thanks
[11:11] <Razor-X> Silicon Valley's youth says ``Hi'' :).
[11:11] <JaneW> juliux: COOL
[11:11] <ogra> juliux, oh, i'm eager to see them :)
[11:11] <JaneW> juliux: what's on them? Extra apps?
[11:11] <Seveas> everyone: yell Kamion, maybe his highlight will explode 
[11:11] <Riddell> I could text Kamion 
[11:11] <juliux> JaneW, the normal edubuntu dvd image 
[11:11] <JaneW> juliux: oh ok
[11:12] <juliux> JaneW, with a nice cover
[11:12] <JaneW> juliux: a newly designed one?
[11:12] <mitsuhiko> .oO(where is smurf)
[11:12] <JaneW> juliux: can we put it on the wiki?
[11:12] <ogra> JaneW, current edubuntu DVD contains live and install iso as well as all of main
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> All right.  We're all wondering where you are Kamion.  Please do grace us with your presence.  :)
[11:12] <Lure> Seveas: Kamion mentioned need for bed in #ubuntu-devel 15 minutes ago...
[11:12] <juliux> JaneW, sure
[11:12] <Seveas> Lure, hmmm
[11:12] <mdke> guys, bear in mind the busy CC people have to read the scrollback, can we try and keep it clean/ontopic for them?
[11:12] <juliux> JaneW, but i have to translate the cover into english
[11:12] <JaneW> juliux: also is it a 6.06 flight or 5.10?
[11:13] <Lure> [22:55]  <Kamion> but I'm exhausted and really need to go to bed soon or I can't be productive tomorrow, so I may need to fall over in the middle
[11:13] <JaneW> juliux: np, german and/or English will be good
[11:13] <juliux> JaneW, 5.10 but we are planing to do a cover vor 6.06
[11:13] <kjcole> hi janew, ogra
[11:13] <Seveas> maybe sabdfl can be found? mako?
[11:13] <elmo> Riddell: please text him
[11:13] <elmo> I've texted sabdfl already
[11:13] <JaneW> mdke: ok sorry
[11:13] <Riddell> elmo: doing
[11:14] <Kamion> I'm on holiday today; I notified last week that I wasn't going to be here
[11:14] <elmo> sabdfl's unavailable - if we can't get hold of colin, we'll have to either postpone, or proceed without voting
[11:14] <Kamion> so please quit pinging me and SMSing me and stuff
[11:14] <Kamion> because I really really really need to crash
[11:14] <Kamion> sorry
[11:15] <mdke> sleep well dude
[11:15] <elmo> Kamion: ok, sorry
[11:15] <ogra> sleep tight 
[11:15] <highvoltage> goodnight, Kamion 
[11:15] <Kamion> I was just stepping in on #ubuntu-devel to sort out urgent business for the beta
[11:15] <mitsuhiko> Ubugtu: *ping*?
[11:15] <Kamion> sorry, SMSing me is normally fine, just not tonight :)
[11:16] <elmo> mako: what do you want to do - carry on or postpone?
[11:17] <mako> i say we postpone
[11:17] <mako> wel
[11:17] <mako> if kamion can't make it
[11:17] <mako> we can do it later this week if that works better
[11:17] <elmo> mako: kamion can't make it
[11:17] <elmo> it'd have to be friday, tomorrow and thursday are going to be beta-tastic
[11:17] <kjcole> mako: Same Bat-Time, Same Bat-Channel?
[11:18] <elmo> (for at least me and kamion, anyway)
[11:18] <Seveas> friday would be horrific for me :/
[11:18] <mdke> friday is a great day for a party
[11:18] <mdke> but if Seveas can't make it...
[11:18] <Seveas> mdke, i'm not important, I'll just have to postpone my agenda items 
[11:19] <ompaul> Seveas, I can carry it 
[11:19] <Seveas> ompaul, I really want to be there too 
[11:19] <ompaul> hehe
[11:19] <elmo> mako: how about this, we'll postpone for now and try and reschedule ASAP, the earliest being Friday - I'll mail us 4 and try and coordinate a date/time?
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> Are weekends considered off-limits for working?
[11:20] <eyequeue> my apologies for being late, problems at the doctor's office
[11:20] <mako> that sounds fine
[11:20] <Yann2> maybe it would be a good idea if CC-people could indicate on the CCAgenda if they can make it or not?
[11:20] <mako> i'm not entirely sure what my schedule will look like but it will work
[11:21] <elmo> ok - sorry everyone who turned up, but without quorum, there's not much point in proceeding
[11:21] <cbx33> Yann2, sound like a good idea - I had to pull strings to get here today
[11:21] <JaneW> who placed the Google SoC agenda item?
[11:21] <cbx33> elmo, indeed...no worries
[11:21] <elmo> Yann2: probably yes, we also need a 5th CC member to make quorum less of an issue - we're working on it
[11:21] <atie_> postponing happened before?
[11:22] <highvoltage> once, iirc
[11:22] <lucasvo> JaneW: https://launchpad.net/people/dennis
[11:22] <elmo> we'll put the new/time of the meeting on the CommunityCouncilAgenda wiki page
[11:22] <lucasvo> aka Seveas
[11:22] <elmo> if you want/need to be at the meeting, keep an eye on that
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> elmo: Any idea by when?
[11:22] <BlueT_> so, there's no meeting today?
[11:22] <Seveas> lucasvo, nope
[11:22] <mdke> BlueT_, that's right
[11:22] <Seveas> it wasn't me
[11:22] <Yann2> elmo > I mean, if cc staff "subscribed" to a meeting, we could know earlier if 5 people can make it or not? 
[11:22] <elmo> tonyyarusso: as soon as I can get agreement from at least 3 people
[11:22] <mdke> JaneW, we can look at the page history, hang on
[11:22] <mitsuhiko> ...
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> elmo: Ah, right.
[11:22] <lucasvo> Seveas: oh, sorry, yes, you are the one with ircrules
[11:22] <mitsuhiko> Yann2: same question here
[11:22] <mdke> JaneW, PierreSlamich
[11:22] <lucasvo> Seveas: I've misread that one :)
[11:23] <BlueT_> mdke: it's 05:22am here. i haven't sleep waiting for this meeting XD
[11:23] <JaneW> mdke: oh thanks
[11:23] <elmo> mm, Mark may be coming.  one second
[11:23] <JaneW> cos as it stands we have already registered as a mentor organisation again (still being processed)
[11:23] <JaneW> we just need to figure out how much of a commitment we can make to it
[11:23] <AndreaVeri> it would be very nice if mark will be here
[11:24] <Seveas> AndreaVeri, cross your fingers 
[11:24] <AndreaVeri> haha yeah
[11:24] <BlueT_> cbx33: that's ok!
[11:24] <mitsuhiko> sabdfl go
[11:24] <mitsuhiko> sabdfl go
[11:24] <mitsuhiko> ^^
[11:24] <BlueT_> cbx33: but i'm affraid maybe i couldn't appear this weekend
[11:24] <AndreaVeri> seveas is really excited using that emoticon after something
[11:24] <AndreaVeri> eheh
[11:25] <cbx33> BlueT_, nooooooo
[11:25] <BlueT_> cbx33: coz i'll be at Kenting (another city) this weekend
[11:25] <cbx33> awww that sux
[11:26] <ompaul> AndreaVeri, we have defined it as over happy dutch person on irc, however as with all these things it has become broader with time  ;-)
[11:26] <SHAKAL> hi or wb smurf
[11:26] <SHAKAL> ;)
[11:26] <AndreaVeri> haha :)
[11:26] <juliux> hi smurf 
[11:27] <smurf> *sigh* sorry for being late
[11:27] <elmo> riddell/ogra: here?
[11:27] <ogra> yep
[11:27] <elmo> while we're waiting for our slac^Wfearless leader, I can probably answer your question about {k,ed}ubuntu teams
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> smurf: we havn't started
[11:28] <Riddell> elmo: hi
[11:28] <ogra> i just want to know how much power^Wresponsibility we'll get in that process
[11:28] <mitsuhiko> one cc member still missing
[11:28] <elmo> the policy is basically that the CC is delegating membership management of those teams to you (the team leaders)
[11:28] <elmo> however, you should use the same guidelines for membership that we do, i.e. sustained useful contributions
[11:29] <ogra> so we act as a full CC replacement, with all responsibilitys and users are required to have the same reputation as in the CC meeting to get approval
[11:29] <ogra> yeah
[11:29] <elmo> not the same responsibilities, exactly, no
[11:29] <ogra> (sorry lagging here)
[11:29] <elmo> problems etc., dispute resolution and other CC like stuff still gets punted up to the CC
[11:29] <ogra> sure
[11:29] <cbx33> sounds fair and means standards will be maintained throughout
[11:29] <elmo> but in terms of adding (and I guess removing) members, day to day, that's entirely on you
[11:29] <ogra> i was only talking wrt membership
[11:30] <elmo> yeah
[11:30] <ogra> opk
[11:30] <ogra> err
[11:30] <ogra> ok
[11:30] <elmo> Riddell: that ok/clear enough for you too?
[11:30] <ogra> i just wanted an official statement, i was suspecting it that way (as Riddell was i think)
[11:30] <Riddell> yeah, although I worry for when there's a decision where not all kubuntu contributors agree with my decision
[11:31] <sabdfl> evening all
[11:31] <juliux> hi sabdfl 
[11:31] <mako> evening
[11:31] <lucasvo> ah here he comes!
[11:31] <Seveas> Riddell, then they can bring it to the CC 
[11:31] <ogra> Riddell, you'll need to build a kubuntu council then
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> yay :)
[11:31] <Riddell> but we have kubuntu meetings as a first line for that and I guess CC as a second
[11:31] <mitsuhiko> hiho sabdfl :)
[11:31] <Toadstool> hi sabdfl :)
[11:31] <sabdfl> apologies for being late
[11:31] <kjcole> hi sabdfl
[11:31] <sabdfl> i only have a short time this evening
[11:31] <elmo> Riddell: right, you can punt it up to the CC if you're not comfortable/confident in your decision
[11:31] <AndreaVeri> hello sabdfl!!!
[11:31] <sabdfl> mako!
[11:31] <ogra> hey sabdfl 
[11:31] <sabdfl> sec while i pull up the agenda
[11:32] <SHAKAL> Hi sabdfl
[11:32] <BlueT_> hi sabdfl 
[11:32] <mako> not a problem
[11:32] <mako> i got a bit distracted in the last few minutes.. let me put stuff aside
[11:33] <sabdfl> mako: where are you in the agenda now?
[11:33] <mako> we haven't started
[11:33] <mako> although elmo was talking with folks
[11:33] <mako> Kamion isn't here so we weren't quorate
[11:33] <elmo> mako/sabdfl: I was just discussing {k,ed}ubuntu-members with ogra/riddell - we haven't touched the rest of the agenda yet
[11:33] <sabdfl> ok, quorate we now be
[11:34] <sabdfl> ok
[11:34] <sabdfl> thanks elmo
[11:34] <sabdfl> i'm afraid i'm going to duck out in about half an hour
[11:34] <sabdfl> so can i ask that we focus on the policy issues first?
[11:34] <mako> alright.. 
[11:34] <mako> the ones that need voting in particular
[11:34] <mako> then see how far we can get through the member candidates
[11:35] <JaneW> the Google SoC issue may not be relevant, we have signed up already...
[11:35] <mako> alright
[11:35] <ogra> and it would rather be a TB thing
[11:35] <mako> lets waste no time
[11:35] <mako> IRC rules
[11:35] <mako> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcRules
[11:36] <Seveas> I drafted the IRC rules for the reasons mentioned in the intro of that page
[11:36] <Seveas> they reflect the current policy
[11:36] <Seveas> and it would be nice to get an official 'OK'
[11:37] <Seveas> or comments about why that can't happen 
[11:37] <mdke> one minor point on that page, I feel that the phrase "Do not recommend outdated and bad information" might be put a little bit too high. It smacks a little bit of elitism to me.
[11:37] <elmo> yeah, the whole page could do with some TLC, phrasing wise
[11:37] <Seveas> mdke, I don't see it that way - it won't help people to give them bad advise
[11:37] <Seveas> elmo: TLC?
[11:38] <tonyyarusso> Maybe more along the lines of "Try to avoid..., and use newer information when available"?
[11:38] <mdke> tender loving care
[11:38] <sabdfl> good job in general, though, and thanks seveas
[11:38] <mako> right, that paragraph is a bit strange
[11:38] <sabdfl> i'd prefer guidelines to rules
[11:38] <sabdfl> most of them are advisory, in any event
[11:38] <tonyyarusso> They definitely seem solid so far.
[11:38] <Seveas> sabdfl, I use guidelines everywhere in the page, except the name 
[11:38] <mdke> Seveas, as I mentioned however in my email, "bad advice" is subjective. One of the examples you give there is in our desktop guide shipped with Dapper, for example
[11:38] <mako> also because it lists a number of very specific documents
[11:38] <mako> which will be incomplete
[11:38] <sabdfl> it's great to have a concrete place to point people when questions come up
[11:38] <mako> and could, with future revisions of said documents, become inaccurate
[11:38] <Seveas> mdke, I call that a bug in the docs, but let's not argue about that here
[11:39] <Seveas> (I mean that specific example)
[11:39] <sabdfl>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductGuidelines
[11:39] <sabdfl> do you expect these to be linked from there?
[11:39] <mdke> Seveas, as I say, it's subjective.
[11:39] <Seveas> sabdfl, that page is quite empty now
[11:40] <mako> Seveas: that much is clear
[11:40] <sabdfl>  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[11:40] <sabdfl> it should be linked from the bottom of that page
[11:40] <elmo> fwiw, they're ok by me (as guidelines, as sabdfl says), but I'd like to go over the wording of the document with seveas later and out of band
[11:41] <sabdfl> do you guys think we should adopt these through some broader process (members vote?) or just CC +1?
[11:41] <topyli> maybe cursing and touchy subjects should not be directed from #ubuntu to #ubuntu-offtopic (even with the advice to be considerate there too in parenthesis)
[11:41] <mako> i share mdke's critique and think that the prohibition on "bad" advice is worrisome
[11:41] <mdke> #ubuntu often gets a reputation (probably unjustly) as elitist and it's important that it is _seen_ not to be, as well as in reality. So a page like that needs to be just right
[11:41] <cbx33> May I ask is there a policy on top-posting, several of the other mailing lists I am a member of insist on not topposting
[11:41] <Razor-X> What if outdated advice is unintentional?
[11:41] <smurf> sabdfl: CC
[11:41] <sabdfl> cbx33: a set of mailing list guidelines would be equally useful, but right now we are focused on Seveas' Irc ones
[11:41] <Seveas> mdke, the only times I heared of #ubuntu being elitist is from you
[11:41] <mako> cbx33: no, that general nettiquitte but this is offtopic now
[11:41] <mdke> Seveas, you don't read the forums much, I guess
[11:42] <mako> Seveas: read the forums
[11:42] <kjcole> What I see there seems general common sense and courtesy, although it would be nice to know that newbies are either cut some slack or required to read guidelines before arriving.
[11:42] <cbx33> mako, over and out
[11:42] <mdke> the best way to deal with dubious advice, is to politely give alternatives, rather than prohibit things a priori
[11:42] <ompaul> topyli, the first is not the second is to move offside from a support context where it does not belong 
[11:42] <tonyyarusso> We do frequently end up with cursing in offtopic b/c people think anything goes there.
[11:42] <mako> lets stay focused on these guidelines please
[11:43] <sabdfl> i agree with mako, elmo, mdke that the "don't give bad advice" item should come out
[11:43] <mdke> calling them "guidelines" would solve a lot, I think
[11:43] <mako> Seveas: i don't think any document of this sort should single out particular technologies or documents
[11:43] <kjcole> (I say that because what is common sense to regulars is not always common sense to newcomers: e.g. away messages.)
[11:44] <Seveas> mako, in the "don't give bad advise" they're not singled out, they're just examples
[11:44] <mako> actually, i don't think the whole item should go out
[11:44] <smurf> is that bad as in just-possibly-wrong, or bad as in intentionally-misleading?
[11:44] <mako> just "    *
[11:44] <mako>       Do not recommend outdated and bad information such as ubuntuguide.org or bad solutions such as using install-css.sh from libdvdread, running java-installer.bin files directly or using automatix. For all these things there are much safer alternatives available.
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> Softening the wording or title would sit better with me too, I think.  Not lots, just carefully in spots like that.
[11:44] <lucasvo> kjcole: you'll learn it after you get kicked once :)
[11:44] <mako> i'd advocate removing that bit only
[11:44] <mako> Seveas: right, i understand that
[11:44] <mdke> smurf, the former, as I understand the page
[11:44] <sabdfl> i don't think this document should get into specifics like automatix
[11:44] <mako> Seveas: but they under-represent and, with time, may also over-represent
[11:44] <kjcole> lucasvo: School of Hard Knocks?  Point taken. ;-)
[11:44] <sabdfl> i prefer this as an "addendum and clarification to the code of conduct as applied to IRC conversations"
[11:44] <mako> if nothing else, it makes things fragile
[11:44] <mdke> sabdfl, absolutely not. There is no need for high level documents to rub people up the wrong way ;)
[11:45] <Razor-X> I know I have referred outdated solutions in #ubuntu on accident, then corrected by someone else, so I think there is some danger there.
[11:45] <lucasvo> kjcole: and newbies should read the guidelines
[11:45] <mako> Seveas: in any case, better not to enshire particular documents as bad examples in this way
[11:45] <sabdfl> i like the idea of having a set of these documents, for IRC, mailing lists, the forums, the wiki... best practices for communicating
[11:45] <Seveas> to sum it up: soften the wording and be careful with examples
[11:45] <mako> Seveas: well, the rest of it seems great
[11:45] <sabdfl> yes, but in general +1 and thanks!
[11:45] <mindspin> yup
[11:45] <Seveas> I'll do that and get back later
[11:46] <Seveas> let's waste no more time with it
[11:46] <mako> a'ight
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Sounds reasonable to me.
[11:46] <mdke> mako/others, by the way, I wrote up a mailing list equivalent, if you can check it out when you're free, that would be lovely (wiki:Listiquette)
[11:46] <sabdfl> Seveas: if you make placeholders for: IrcGuidelines, ForumGuidelines, MailingListGuidelines...
[11:46] <tonyyarusso> Good job though on that draft.
[11:46] <smurf> I'd change (or amend) that to specifically prohibit intentionally-misleading "advice"
[11:46] <carthik> A general note to register with #freenode, and about PMs received from the bot would be nice (esp. ubotu's PMs)
[11:46] <kjcole> lucasvo: In the chaos that is "wiki" one doesn't always arrive at things in logical order.  (I imagine it's easy to find how to get to an IRC channel before one is aware of a guidelines page.)
[11:47] <kjcole> In any case +1
[11:47] <Seveas> mdke, you know my mail address 
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> smurf: Second that, rm -rf / should probably be dealt with more strongly.
[11:47] <mdke> Seveas, yes. Why?
 mako/others, by the way, I wrote up a mailing list equivalent, if you can check it out when you're free, that would be lovely (wiki:Listiquette)
[11:47] <Seveas> (missed the url, so ignore me)
[11:48] <lucasvo> kjcole: it is still a draft. if it is final it should be a static html page 
[11:48] <Seveas> can we move on?
[11:48] <sabdfl> yes please
[11:48] <sabdfl> whats the cloaking issue?
[11:49] <mako> sabdfl: do you remember the old cloaking discussions?
[11:49] <Seveas> sabdfl, you specifically said: "only ubunyu/member cloaks" - freenode however requests (not demands) for bots to be recognizable as bots, so ubuntu/bot/* would be nice
[11:49] <mako> this sounds totally reasonable
[11:49] <mdke> sounds like a plan
[11:49] <mako> thumbs up from me
[11:49] <sabdfl> +1
[11:49] <ompaul> +1
[11:50] <smurf> good idea; locobot should get that too
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> Makes sense here.
[11:50] <mitsuhiko> smurf: +1 ^^
[11:50] <sabdfl> yowser that was easy :-)
[11:50] <mako> elmo: ?
[11:50] <mdke> and fabio's bot too
[11:50] <Seveas> smurf, what's his registered nick?
[11:50] <sabdfl> SOC2k6?
[11:50] <mako> we can skip that
[11:50] <mako> since we are alreasy signed up apparently
[11:50] <mako> according to JaneW 
[11:50] <elmo> yeah, that's obviously fine
[11:51] <smurf> Seveas: not yet, actually; I'll register them and ping you
[11:51] <Seveas> smurf, link all nicknames together please 
[11:51] <mako> ok the next discussion in regards to kubuntu.de proposes discussing it later
[11:51] <smurf> Seveas: sure
[11:51] <JaneW> yep
[11:51] <mako> like at the end of the meeting
[11:51] <AndreaVeri> ok mako
[11:51] <sabdfl> erk... i'd like to comment briefly, and won't be here much longer
[11:51] <smurf> mako: why?
[11:51] <mako> smurf: i don't know why
[11:52] <highvoltage> mdke: i nearly read that as "23:50 < mdke> and fabio's bot too
[11:52] <smurf> sabdfl: +1
[11:52] <mako> smurf: that what it says on the agenda :)
[11:52] <highvoltage> mdke: i mean "and fabio's hot too" :)
[11:52] <juliux> mako, but it is very important
[11:52] <mako> listen, i'm not arguing in favor of this
[11:52] <mako> i'm just reading the agenda
[11:52] <AndreaVeri> mako can we move to things that need vote?
[11:52] <sabdfl> i think the person just didn't want to interrupt the membership discussions, but this is an important thing and we should discuss it now
[11:52] <mako> alright
[11:53] <sabdfl> ok, let me call for comments, one per person, say done when done, pretype them please!
[11:53] <sabdfl> who has something to say on the kubuntu.de process and outcome?
[11:53] <mako> i just want to make sure we spend quorate time on stuff that may lead to a vote
[11:54] <lucasvo> am I right that they "sold" their site to a company that sells support?
[11:54] <Seveas> sabdfl, /me
[11:54] <sabdfl> folks, msg me if you want to comment, i'll then call per person, so we get to everyone
[11:54] <Riddell> I'm working with german kubuntu users to get a new website happening, probably closely affiliated to ubuntuusers.de
[11:54] <sabdfl> smurf
[11:55] <smurf> my main problem with the whole kubuntu.de mess is that questions to amu as to why he hasn't brought the issue before the CC have been met with ... silence
[11:55] <sabdfl> ok
[11:55] <smurf> plus, kubuntu.de no redirects to ubunux.de which is silent on the problem too
[11:55] <sabdfl> tonyyarusso: 
[11:55] <tonyyarusso> I think looking into getting domain names would be a good idea.
[11:55] <sabdfl> pregetting them?
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> Yes.  To avoid future issues.
[11:56] <sabdfl> mdke: go
[11:56] <mdke> the kubuntu.de thing was a mess, but there is nothing that the CC can do about community members who fail to approach the matter through the correct channels. I've been happy that so far I haven't seen that their "ransom" has not received any attention from official channels, it doesn't deserve it.
[11:56] <mdke> more should be done to integrate kubuntu and ubuntu locoteams though
[11:56] <sabdfl> Seveas: go
[11:56] <Seveas> sabdfl, +1 on mdke's comment about not bringing to the CC
[11:56] <Seveas> nothing else
[11:56] <sabdfl> mitsuhiko: go
[11:57] <ompaul> sabdfl, 
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> the main problem was that ubuntu and kubuntu teams don't work together on the german side
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> now the whole kubuntu.de is down and users stand and ask what to do now
[11:57] <sabdfl> highvoltage: go
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> it would be good if ubuntuusers.de would integrate kubuntu more
[11:57] <mitsuhiko> !done
[11:57] <smurf> some people seem to think that KDE people will run away screaming when they are 'forced' to support users in a forum where Gnome is also mentioned occasionally :-/
[11:57] <highvoltage> well, on that issue, I wrote this blog entry: http://jonathancarter.co.za/blog/?postid=27
[11:57] <rockin_stan> mitsuhiko: +1
[11:57] <mdke> i agree with mitsuhiko 
[11:58] <highvoltage> i felt that the issue was bordering on extortion, although i won't mention names or specific incidents.
[11:58] <sabdfl> ok, mako, elmo?
[11:58] <highvoltage> done;
[11:58] <smurf> AFAIR tat was cited as one of the main reasons why there is/was/??? a kubuntu.de domain in the first place
[11:58] <mdke> sabdfl, another quick comment here
[11:59] <sabdfl> go ahead mdke
[11:59] <mdke> recently the italian locoteam (today) has discussed the possibility of integrating edubuntu initiatives into the ubuntu-it community structure, we feel it can be done easily, as with kubuntu. the same locoteam can deal with more than one derivative, with shared resources and/or separate websites.
[12:00] <mako> so i agree with mitsuhiko and mdke for the most part..
[12:00] <sabdfl> i think that's everyone who /msg'd me
[12:00] <mako> i think there are some interesting unaddressed questions about where loco teams stands in the kubuntu/ubuntu divide
[12:00] <mako> and in terms of actually doing things
[12:00] <mako> some questions i don't know the answers to in regards to the trademark
[12:00] <Yann2> agree with what has been said until now, too... have been really pleased canonical didn't gave it much attention.
[12:00] <mako> and canonical's role
[12:01] <sabdfl> yes, there's an ambiguity in "ubuntu the overall umbrella project" and "ubuntu the gnome desktop distro that is a peer of kubuntu the kde desktop distro"
[12:01] <mako> and the degree to which canonical will jump if the CC says to jump :)
[12:01] <ogra> edubuntu is happy about every loco portal that includes sopptort for it (as a sidenote, since edubuntu was mentioned a lot in the kubuntu.de argument)
[12:01] <ogra> *support
[12:01] <mdke> sabdfl, only one way to solve that one ;)
[12:01] <smurf> mako: the German team's position is that we support both equally, even if our site's look+feel is geared more towards the Gnome side.
[12:01] <sabdfl> gubuntu?
[12:01] <mdke> heh
[12:01] <mako> sabdfl: time to throw away the gnome distribution
[12:01] <sabdfl> :-p
[12:01] <mako> ok everyone
[12:01] <mdke> lol
[12:01] <mako> compromise, ion3
[12:01] <mitsuhiko> rofl
[12:02] <ompaul> -1
[12:02] <ogra> mako, lol
[12:02] <sabdfl> ok, folks, order
[12:02] <sabdfl> it's interesting how this varies from country to country
[12:02] <mako> it's not clear to me WHAT we can do it about
[12:02] <sabdfl> i think germany is special w.r.t. kde
[12:02] <ompaul> sabdfl, may I on the kubuntu issue?
[12:02] <mako> or what the CC is being asked to do
[12:02] <sabdfl> does anyone know what the current status is of Amu and \sh's feelings, or position?
[12:02] <mako> other than try to prevent it in the future
[12:02] <mako> which is most of what i've gotten out of this
[12:03] <xorAxAx> .oO(twm)
[12:03] <juliux> sabdfl, amu has canceld the kubuntu booth at the linuxtag in wiesbaden
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> sabdfl: they arn't rachable currently via jabber or irc
[12:03] <sabdfl> ok
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> \sh is in a bad situation currently
[12:03] <smurf> sabdfl: they're not talking to people who bring the issue before the CC, as far as I know
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> and amu isn't responsable
[12:03] <Lure> \sh was online yesterday in #kubuntu-devel
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> we just know that the booth was canceled
[12:03] <smurf> mitsuhiko: not responding, you mean
[12:03] <sabdfl> well, first mdke is spot on in asking how this blew up into a canonical issue before it became a CC issue
[12:03] <mitsuhiko> smurf: jep :)
[12:04] <mindspin> will kubuntu be presented by the german ubuntu team?
[12:04] <highvoltage> i've seen \sh on -motu and -devel yesterday, he seemed to be involved, although I couldn't say for sure
[12:04] <Riddell> mindspin: I don't know of any developer who's going
[12:04] <mitsuhiko> mindspin: juliux is looking for some guys to present kubuntu there
[12:04] <juliux> mindspin, if we find kubuntuusers they can present kubuntu at the ubuntu community booth at the linuxtag in wiesbaden
[12:04] <mindspin> I#ll mail you
[12:04] <sabdfl> let's deal separately with the linuxtag booth
[12:05] <mdke> maybe in another channel
[12:05] <sabdfl> where is the "heart and mind" of the kubuntu german community?
[12:05] <Razor-X> I think we should maybe try for better cooperation between Ubuntu and Kubuntu in general. I think it may benefit the community more if we do more to make it all seem unified with slight differences, if I may be so audacious to say.
[12:05] <mitsuhiko> sabdfl: currently #kubuntu-de
[12:05] <mitsuhiko> they lost their webpage