[12:07] <Toadstool> good night everybody
[12:32] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[12:32] <bmonty> hi LaserJock
[01:00] <jdong> can everyone change topic??
[01:01] <LaserJock> probably in here
[01:01] <LaserJock> there aren't really any rules in -motu ;-)
[01:02] <jdong> lol
[01:07] <Se7h> :>
[01:56] <calamari> hi
[01:57] <calamari> is there an easy way to take a binary package and modify it so that it claims to be a different version?
[01:58] <crimsun> i.e., download the source and generate a new deb.
[01:59] <calamari> well, I hesityate to do that.. basically I want to try an older version of a library
[02:00] <calamari> I can't just install it tho, because it wants to uninstall half my system to do that
[02:00] <ajmitch> no, the library has changed name for a reason - the newer library isn't compatible
[02:00] <calamari> the name is the same
[02:00] <calamari> just another version
[02:01] <ajmitch> what is the package?
[02:01] <calamari> libpango1.0-0 and libpango1.0-common
[02:02] <ajmitch> packages will depend on the newer version of the library for any added features - if you remove it they'll most likely break
[02:02] <calamari> that's okay, if it breaks I can undo it
[02:03] <calamari> I'm not intending this to be permanent.. just long enough to see if something changes, and if so, file an appropriate bug report
[02:03] <ajmitch> then if you really want to do it, lookup the manpage for dpkg-source :)
[02:03] <ajmitch> you'd unpack the library, change stuff in DEBIAN, and repack it
[02:04] <calamari> cool, thanks
[02:05] <Unfrgiven> morning one and all
[02:12] <ajmitch> hi
[02:12] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: do you know what information is available to a preinst script? in particular, can it find out what the name of the package being installed is? in my case, for the madwifi-ng drivers, i'm going to use dpkg-divert to overrite/restore existing drivers but i need to know the target kernel version (which I could determine from the name of the package being installed)
[02:29] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: it's all in policy, I can't remember which
[02:45] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: hmmm im not able to find any references to this particular point in the policy guide. ill keep looking.
[03:38] <Xk2c__> i have a question about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vtk/+bug/29821
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29821 in vtk "merge new debian version" [Normal,Fix released] 
[03:38] <Xk2c__>  it says fix released but current available version still 4.4.2-8ubuntu1
[03:40] <crimsun> notabug, see apt-cache madison
[03:52] <wasabi> Any pygtk wizzes? Trying to subclass gtk.Dialog
[03:52] <wasabi> but run fails with a GTK_IS_DIALOG assertion.
[03:52] <wasabi> So, sounds like subclassing doesn't work.
[03:53] <wasabi> oh maybe I actually figured it out.
[03:53] <wasabi> yeah woo
[04:16] <BlakeRG> Harrow
[04:18] <BlakeRG> would this be the best place to double check bugs in draper drake packages before I submit a bug?
[04:36] <bddebian> Howdy gang
[04:40] <bddebian> Heya _jaldhar
[04:41] <Se7h> hi bddebian
[04:41] <Kyral> hey bddebian
[04:42] <bddebian> Heya Se7h, Kyral
[04:42] <Kyral> Goddamn, Dead Week is next week already
[04:42] <bddebian> Dead week?
[04:42] <Kyral> The week before Finals
[04:43] <bddebian> Ahh
[04:56] <jaldhar> bddebian: hello
[05:15] <Xk2c__> good night
[05:26] <bddebian> Hello Hobbsee
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[05:27] <crimsun> no jumping.
[05:30] <bddebian> Aww, come on :-)
[05:30] <crimsun> \-)
[05:31] <bddebian> Holy crap, the bug count just keeps rising.. :'-(
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:33] <Hobbsee> and i got rid of a couple yesterday!
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun
[05:33] <bddebian> Doh, I'm 8 away from my 100 upload mark for Dapper
[05:34] <crimsun> 'afternoon, Hobbsee. And of course homage to BdDebianIsAGod.
[05:41] <Kyral> There there bddebian, the big bad crimsun was mean to you :P
[05:41] <crimsun> well I guess I could always reassign these bugs to bddebian...
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:42] <bddebian> Kyral: He's not mean to me, he just likes to rub that stupid wiki page in my face :-(
[05:42] <Kyral> what wikipage?
[05:42] <bddebian> BdDebianIsAGod
[06:18] <Kyral> Night
[06:19] <bddebian> Gnight Kyral
[06:34] <Unfrgiven> Hobbsee: did you sort out your boot issues?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: i did, it was an issue with powersaved
[06:35] <Unfrgiven> Hobbsee: ?!? how so?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> it was messing up grub somehow, changing something.   i'm not really sure, but i wasnt the only one with the problem
[06:39] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[06:39] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[07:13] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[08:11] <Toadstool> hi
[08:58] <cbx33> mornin all
[12:40] <jmg> arrgh
[12:40] <jmg> i cant even find the bug i filed today
[12:41] <freeflying> dholbach: ping
[12:41] <dholbach> freeflying: pong
[12:41] <freeflying> dholbach: would you look at this https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/36168
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36168 in cmake "need new release for build kde4 package " [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[12:42] <freeflying> dholbach: we need cmake UVFe for kde4 stuff
[12:42] <dholbach> if it's assigned to motu-uvf i'll look into it
[12:43] <freeflying> dholbach: assigned , the upstream tarball's Changelog is the same with old one
[12:43] <ajmitch> jmg: what's your launchpad username?
[12:44] <dholbach> freeflying: then i'll look into it... just not now, I'm quite busy - sorry.
[12:44] <jmg> ajmitch: found it thanks (checked email)
[12:44] <jmg> 39948
[12:44] <jmg> hasnt been triaged
[12:44] <freeflying> dholbach: okey , thanks
[12:44] <dholbach> thanks
[12:44] <ajmitch> jmg: right, there's a reported bugs page off your personal page
[12:45] <jmg> ajmitch: oh thanks
[12:45] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/tom-nsp/+reportedbugs
[12:51] <jmg> ajmitch: i registered xenubuntu.com and .org
[12:52] <jmg> ajmitch: want to make a livedvd that boots images of ubuntu kubuntu and xenubuntu casper
[12:52] <jmg> er
[12:52] <jmg> xubuntu
[01:19] <cbx33> anyone else had trouble signing the CoC
[01:19] <cbx33> I put spaces in the text as suggested, but it keeps rejecting it
[01:19] <cbx33> saying the text doesn't match the CoC
[01:19] <cbx33> 1.0.1 is the version we use now right ?
[02:09] <zul> heylo
[02:21] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:21] <cbx33> I'm still stumped with signing the CoC
[02:22] <cbx33> hi bddebian
[02:27] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[02:28] <bddebian> Morning gang
[02:28] <jmg> # diff -Naur kernel-package-9.001ubuntu15/ kernel-package-10.044/ | wc -l
[02:28] <jmg> 80010
[02:28] <jmg> ouch.
[02:28] <jmg> STBM.
[02:28] <cbx33> yikes
[02:29] <cbx33> bddebian: think you could spare a few minutes
[02:29] <cbx33> to tell if I'm doing something stupid or not :p
[02:29] <bddebian> I can try :-)
[02:29] <cbx33> thanks :p
[02:29] <cbx33> I'm trying to sign the CoC
[02:29] <cbx33> I've filled a bug
[02:29] <cbx33> but if I put spaces in the main text, it won;t let me submit it
[02:29] <cbx33> saying the text doesn't match the original
[02:30] <cbx33> what's the danger of clear signing it with no spaces in it>
[02:30] <bddebian> None that I know of but I'm certainly no expert
[02:30] <cbx33> ok
[02:32] <cbx33> ok it's a bug in the new COC
[02:33] <jmg> # grep -r xen * |wc -l
[02:33] <jmg> 147
[02:33] <jmg> :)
[02:33] <cbx33> Bluekuja: you back yet ?
[02:34] <cbx33> I got it signed :p
[02:37] <bddebian> New CoC? Hmm
[02:41] <zul> ill boot you
[02:47] <bddebian> :'-(
[02:49] <cbx33> the new one doesn't sign properly
[02:49] <cbx33> 1.0.1
[02:53] <bddebian> zul: So, did you upload Toadstool's fix? :-)
[02:54] <zul> nope launchpad is still broken for me
[02:55] <zul> go an steel my karma :)
[03:05] <pkern> ogra: ping
[03:06] <ogra> pkern, pong
[03:17] <cbx33> hi ogra
[03:17] <bddebian> zul: What's broken?
[03:18] <pkern> ogra: Why didn't you notify me about Gobby's demotion?
[03:18] <zul> my launchpad id i have 2 of them one of the email addresses doesnt work anymore
[03:19] <pkern> ogra: I mean, I did use Howl from the start, I only enabled the compatibility layer in the *Debian* package. Now we have obby with Zeroconf support but Gobby doesn't have it because it wasn't pulled/recompiled.
[03:19] <ogra> pkern, hmm, sorry i was in travelling a lot at this time and you said it howl was needed when i asked
[03:19] <ogra> s/it/that/
[03:19] <pkern> ogra: I never said it's needed. It was at all times a configuration option.
[03:20] <ogra> there wasnt a dependency ont the temporary howl package before
[03:20] <ogra> (which we dont build since upstream will remove it in one of the next releases)
[03:21] <ogra> i'll try to talk to mdz about it after beta release
[03:22] <bddebian> zul: Well get it fixed man :-)
[03:22] <zul> im in the proccess of doing it
[03:22] <pkern> ogra: There wasn't a temporary howl package before, it's that easy.
[03:22] <ogra> yep
[03:22] <pkern> ogra: I mean actually I did document this in the Debian changelog. It was not a new upstream version
[03:23] <pkern> ogra: It was just a new Debian revision, and the Gobby one wasn't even pulled. (Not that much changed, but well...)
[03:23] <ogra> i just didnt know that obby would suddenly depend on it and i neither didnt plan to sync the version we have now
[03:23] <ogra> s/didnt/did/
[03:24] <ogra> it slipped through in an autosync since obby was unmodified
[03:24] <pkern> ogra: So either Gobby stays in universe, but then I want a pull/bin-nmu; or Zeroconf support gets removed from obby through an Ubuntu revision.
[03:25] <ogra> yep
[03:25] <ogra> the first one can happen right away, the latter requires a bit of begging at mdz's desk
[03:25] <bddebian> At, or under? :-)
[03:26] <ogra> (right away == after beta freeze, which we are having currently)
[03:29] <pkern> Well do what you want, but do either of them.
[03:30] <pkern> I hope that the Ubuntu patchsets against Debian packages which were once pulled but aren't now will be fixed at any point of the future. It can't be that hard to fetch the base Debian revision anywhere. Getting it from snapshot.debian.net isn't not the way it's meant to be. In the meantime that's the diff between Debian base and the Ubuntu revision: http://people.debian.org/~pkern/gobby_0.3.0-1_0.3.0-1ubuntu2.diff
[03:34] <ogra> i know the diff ;) i created most of it ;)
[03:35] <pkern> ogra: You know all your diffs by heart?
[03:35] <cbx33> of course he does
[03:35] <cbx33> ogra is all powerful :p
[03:35] <ogra> pkern, the small ones, yes
[03:36] <ogra> thats only a dependency change and a small addition for translatability, i'd resign if i couldnt remember such changes :)
[03:36] <cbx33> how do we go about suggesting a package to be placed into the universe?
[03:36] <ogra> there was the UniverseCandidates wikipage (i think it was replaced but has a proper redirect)
[03:38] <cbx33> kewl ok
[03:41] <Yagisan> G'day All
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[03:43] <Yagisan> What's up Hobbsee
[03:44] <Hobbsee> just laughing at someone who cant read the assignment sheet, and wants me to do their assignment for them...
[03:44] <Hobbsee> after i specifically warned them in my post that i'd only help people out with specific questions, and not do the assignment for them
[03:46] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm wondering how gentoo could do a GLSA on a project I'm involved in, and declare upstream dead, without actually contacting upstream. They are like 4 releases behind.
[03:47] <Hobbsee> lol!  okay then!  that seems a bit weird!
[03:48] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it's like yay, it's on bugtraq about a week before we know, and we find out via a 3rd party. I found out by reading gentoo weekly news.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:49] <cbx33> hi Yagisan
[03:49] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[03:52] <Yagisan> w00t, I'm popular today :)
[03:53] <bddebian> Yagisan: You are ALWAYS popular :-)
[03:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: that usually means I stuffed up when I'm always popular
[03:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: so what did I break this time ?
[03:53] <bddebian> Nothing that I know of
[03:54] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:56] <Yagisan> bddebian: that obviously means you never look at any bug report that I've ever touched ;)
[03:59] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: bddebian: cbx33: any of you use powerpc ?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: i dont.  nalioth in #ubuntu does though...
[04:02] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: just trying to get a list of people with one, so I can get test builds (and buildlogs) of an app that seems to have portability issues.
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:02] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I can do amd64 and i386 here (oh man are the 64bit issues :( )
[04:03] <bddebian> Yagisan: Bah :-)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:29] <bddebian> Kyral: ping?
[04:33] <cbx33> ok guys I'm not a MOTU yet, or a Merger, but what if I want to sync a debian package
[04:33] <cbx33> where can i upload it so i can link to in on malone
[04:33] <cbx33> do I use my own webspace or isthere somewhere else you guys prefer to use?
[04:34] <ogra> cbx33, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[04:37] <cbx33> ogra: the package isn't actually in the ubuntu repo at all
[04:37] <cbx33> but it is a dependency for another package
[04:37] <cbx33> that is in the repo
[04:37] <cbx33> what happens in this case
[04:37] <ogra> so first find out why its not in the repo :)
[04:38] <cbx33> how do i do that ?
[04:38] <cbx33> ogra: why isn't the libkwiki-perl pacakge in the repo :p
[04:38] <ogra> no idea
[04:39] <cbx33> Package not available
[04:39] <ogra> find it out ... if there are no legal or other reasons preventing us from distribution, we can just add it
[04:39] <cbx33> is what it says in the package archive
[04:39] <ogra> in debian ?
[04:39] <cbx33> no in the ubuntu one
[04:39] <cbx33> it's in the debian archive
[04:39] <ogra> when was it added ?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> cbx33: but how did the other package manage to build, if one of the dependancies wasnt in ubuntu?
[04:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: he means, does debian have that package ?
[04:40] <bddebian> cbx33: Is the source package there?
[04:41] <cbx33> not that i can see
[04:41] <cbx33> no not from an apt-cache search
[04:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/perl/libkwiki-perl
[04:42] <Yagisan> ?
[04:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: that the package ?
[04:44] <cbx33> yes
[04:54] <cbx33> Yagisan: so what you think
[04:54] <cbx33> shall i package it up
[04:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: considering it is in Debian, it should be synced over. I'm not sure of the procedure for a not in Ubuntu, but in Debian package, so perhaps you may need to bug a more experienced person like ogra for what to do.
[04:58] <cbx33> ogra:  ogra  ogra  :p
[04:58] <cbx33> Mr enthusiastic is here requesting some of your awesome knowledge :p
[04:58] <ogra> Yagisan, cbx33, following the instructions should suffice
[04:58] <cbx33> will do boss
[04:58] <ogra> ;)
[05:01] <Yagisan> ogra: follow instructions ? I've spent 24 years not doing that, do I really need to start now ;)
[05:02] <ogra> Yagisan, only if you want someone to sync something for you ...
[05:02] <ogra> else you dont need to care ;)
[05:02] <cbx33> heheh
[05:03] <cbx33> Yagisan: you're 24 too :p
[05:03] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[05:03] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[05:03] <cbx33> we're hopefully going to do that interview with you guys later on this week or early next
[05:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: nice
[05:03] <Yagisan> cbx33: yep. but I'm willing to bet I'm the only 24 year old married, and with 2 kids here.
[05:03] <cbx33> and I should be joining the edubuntu testing team later
[05:04] <cbx33> got some suggestions :p
[05:04] <cbx33> Yagisan: the 2 kids yes
[05:04] <cbx33> married no :p
[05:04] <cbx33> i have 4 guinea pigs
[05:04] <Yagisan> cbx33: key word, "and"
[05:04] <cbx33> htey are like children :p
[05:04] <cbx33> ogra: kids , pigs or wifes ?
[05:04] <cbx33> :p
[05:05] <ogra> pigs
[05:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: great, come talk to us in #edubuntu later tonight, we're talking to ogra about that a bit later tonight
[05:05] <cbx33> one passed away recently we did have 5
[05:05] <highvoltage> cheers, motu!
[05:05] <cbx33> I'll do my best
[05:05] <cbx33> depends if the missus lets me out to play :p
[05:05] <ogra> highvoltage, in case Bluekuja wants to have the edubuntu-testing membership for his CC application, we should do it before 21:00 UTC ;)
[05:05] <cbx33> if not I'll summarise everything i can and send it out to you guys
[05:06] <Yagisan> eh, 5 years now. oh god has it really been that long
[05:06] <cbx33> but probably hasn't got thr exp yet :p
[05:07] <Yagisan> cbx33: I've been here for about a year now, but I've yet to apply to the CC
[05:07] <cbx33> i'd like to take a more active role
[05:07] <cbx33> i love this community...you guys are so helpful :p
[05:08] <ogra> Yagisan, we have a edubuntu-members team now, you can also apply for that one and get ubuntu membership alongside ;)
[05:09] <cbx33> I've learnt so much from working in here
[05:09] <cbx33> ooooh....
[05:09] <cbx33> I'm in the middle of deploying edubuntu at the school i work at at the moment
[05:09] <Yagisan> actually, that is one of the reasons I like it here so much. They don't have an elitist attitude.
[05:09] <Yagisan> ogra: we do ?
[05:09] <cbx33> Yagisan: indeed
[05:10] <ogra> Yagisan, yes, we're awaiting instructions from the CC tonight at the meeting... after that we should be good to go
[05:10] <cbx33> excellent well done guys
[05:10] <cbx33> edubuntu roxks
[05:11] <cbx33> You should definitely make more of the LTSP aspect....
[05:11] <Yagisan> cool. I'd probably qualify more for edubuntu at the moment
[05:11] <cbx33> I never even knew it was in edubuntu
[05:11] <cbx33> that's something everyone here is very keen to try out
[05:12] <Yagisan> cbx33: can you believe, some of *my* dodgy code was accepted for edubuntu ?
[05:12] <cbx33> Yagisan: I wish i could say the same
[05:12] <ogra> not true ... it just ended up in edubuntu ...
[05:12] <cbx33> without the dodgy part of course
[05:12] <ogra> it was accepted for ubuntu ;)
[05:13] <cbx33> ooooh
[05:13] <cbx33> even better
[05:13] <ogra> ltsp is no exclusive edubuntu package :)
[05:13] <cbx33> no
[05:13] <cbx33> but it's a real buzz over here at the moment
[05:14] <Yagisan> true, but it has the most users there,
[05:14] <cbx33> and knowing there is support for it, and indeed that it is provided in edubuntu is a huge selling point
[05:14] <cbx33> as far as I'm concerned
[05:14] <cbx33> I can't believe that all my searching about LTSP didn't yield edubuntu as a provider
[05:15] <Yagisan> cbx33: what systems do you use for edubuntu amd64, i386 ?
[05:15] <cbx33> i386 at the moment
[05:15] <cbx33> and a vmware
[05:16] <cbx33> i got ubu running on this amd64 at the moment
[05:16] <cbx33> but most of the machiens here are i386
[05:16] <Yagisan> cbx33: I use amd64 server (64bit :) ), and i386 clients
[05:16] <cbx33> yeh this uesd to be a server till it half blew up
[05:16] <cbx33> so i took it for a desktop
[05:17] <cbx33> right I'd better get ready to go home
[05:17] <cbx33> ogra: what time's the meeting for edubuntu tonight
[05:17] <cbx33> GMT?
[05:17] <cbx33> I'll do my best to pop in
[05:17] <ogra> cbx33, /join #ubuntu-meeting
[05:17] <Yagisan> cbx33: I use the server as my desktop. It's my right as owner and admin to have access to accelerated opengl ;)
[05:17] <ogra> cbx33, type "@schedule your/timezone" there
[05:18] <cbx33> I'm on cgi-irc right now
[05:18] <cbx33> I can't goto the channel but I'll check it when i get home
[05:18] <cbx33> Yagisan: nice
[05:18] <Yagisan> ogra: that work for GMT+XX ?
[05:18] <cbx33> ogra: how many hours away?
[05:18] <cbx33> i'll do the math :p
[05:20] <cbx33> debuild applies all the pathches and changes to the source doesn't it?
[05:21] <cbx33> right I'm off see y'all later
[05:21] <Yagisan> bye cbx33
[05:24] <azeem> cbx33: debuild just runs debian/rules' build and binary rules, those rules will have to do the actually patching
[05:27] <bddebian> Hmm, looks like I've missed quite a bit :)
[05:32] <Yagisan> bddebian: such as ?
[05:33] <bddebian> All this conversation, I was in the shower :-)
[05:34] <Yagisan> bddebian: I'm still waiting for the hot water to come back here. (I have a pissy little hot water tank here)
[05:34] <bddebian> Ah, lovely :)
[05:35] <Yagisan> bddebian: have a pet package that you like to maintain ?
[05:36] <bddebian> Nah, I just fix desktop files :-)
[05:38] <Yagisan> bddebian: I have a pet package (that should soon be ok for ubuntu), and tend to bother the ltsp/edubuntu and motumedia areas of the system
[05:38] <bddebian> :-)
[05:39] <ogra> just shoot if you are done
[05:39] <bddebian> *bang*
[05:40] <Yagisan> ogra: my package ? it's most likely a dapper + 1 job. Although I occasionally send a copy to revu for comments on packaging
[05:45] <Yagisan> for i386, is it ok to grep the contents of /proc/cpuinfo and pick a binary based on the results ?
[05:47] <ogra> during package build ?
[05:48] <ogra> (i'd do dpkg --print-architecture in that case=
[05:48] <ogra> )
[05:49] <Yagisan> ogra: I was looking at runtime. I already use a shell script to launch, and the package does benefit from mmx, sse functions, I just need to adjust the package to build it more then once.
[06:25] <cbx33> ogra, you still around?
[07:01] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[07:06] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:08] <LaserJock> bddebian: how is Mr. Karma doing today?
[07:14] <bddebian> Mr. Karma?  :-)  I haven't even checked lately
[07:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: you have more than doubled your karma now that you are back at work
[07:30] <cbx33> hi all
[07:30] <cbx33> hi LaserJock , bddebian
[07:32] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[07:45] <Kyral> Hmm
[07:45] <Kyral> A scored a changelog entry...when did I add a patch?
[08:24] <Kyral> More and more do I see the need to create a Ubuntu/Debian Chroot
[08:24] <LaserJock> you don't have one?
[08:24] <Kyral> to handle bug patches on EasyChem
[08:24] <Kyral> nope
[08:25] <Kyral> I don't even know how to submit a patch to Debian lol
[08:25] <LaserJock> I live in my Dapper chroot, I don't even have a running Ubuntu box ATM
[08:25] <tseng> attach it to a debian bug
[08:25] <Kyral> Gah hard freeze
[08:25] <LaserJock> tseng: do you just attach it to an email?
[08:26] <Kyral> well, Rythm box died
[08:26] <Kyral> I have half a mind to go back to good old XMMS
[08:27] <crimsun> LaserJock: sure. You can even attach it to an e-mail to control@b.d.o
[08:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: k, thanks
[08:28] <crimsun> tags <bug #> patch
[08:32] <truz24> LaserJock, what is your current OS then?
[08:32] <LaserJock> truz24: well, right now I ssh into a sarge box from OSX and Windows
[08:32] <truz24> You mean you're not die hard ubuntu :-)
[08:33] <crimsun> Kyral: sure, that would work, but I will ignore all sound issues for that unmaintained p.o.c.
[08:33] <truz24> I've been running dapper on my desktop box... i know its the development version, but it has been stable for me.
[08:34] <truz24> To be honest, sound has been my only real issue with ubuntu
[08:34] <crimsun> truz24: bug #?
[08:34] <truz24> well, its well documented
[08:34] <truz24> Its the fact that two apps cannot access the sound device at once
[08:35] <truz24> So if i am listening to an mp3, and I want to watch a flash video, i have to stop the mp3, and restart firefox.
[08:35] <crimsun> do you have a usb sound device being used as the default?
[08:35] <truz24> No.  Its an onboard soundcard an I am using alsa in xmms
[08:35] <truz24> not sure what firefox uses
[08:35] <crimsun> that, btw, is not a sound issue. That's a Flash issue.
[08:35] <LaserJock> truz24: I'm die hard Ubuntu, I'm just not exclusive ;-)
[08:37] <LaserJock> this intel mac is really reminding me how much I love open source (and free) software
[08:37] <crimsun> until Macromedia/Adobe get a clue and stop hardcoding references to libraries, there's next to naught we can do.
[08:37] <truz24> crimsun, yes, I can play a video with mplayer and sound with xmms at the same time...
[08:37] <crimsun> one possible workaround is to install alsa-oss from universe and use aoss firefox
[08:38] <truz24> Flash seems to hold a handle to the sound device too I guess.  When I get done watching a flash video, i have to close that window.
[08:38] <truz24> I think skype has some similar issues.
[08:38] <crimsun> no, skype is a completely different beast
[08:38] <truz24> Well, I meant that you can't listen to music and be on a skype call at the same time.
[08:38] <crimsun> skype relies on a very specific mmap pattern, and it simply doesn't play at all with aoss
[08:38] <truz24> I don't know what would happen if you were listening to music and a call came in.
[09:30] <cbx33> there any chance of getting libspoon up to .22
[09:30] <crimsun> file a UVF exception
[09:30] <Kyral> I'm gonna have to remember how to add a close a bug for Debian...do I just send the diff or the entire new package...and I have no clue how to upload lol
[09:31] <crimsun> how to close? just send an e-mail to control@
[09:31] <crimsun> or of course in the changelog (Closes: #)
[09:32] <Kyral> I don't have to upload it too (its a bug in Debian on EasyChem and I need to know how to affect it)
[09:32] <crimsun> it's fixed in Ubuntu?
[09:32] <Kyral> no..
[09:32] <Kyral> someone caught a spelling mistake
[09:33] <Kyral> though there was an unrelated bugfix in Ubuntu that I should merge as well into it
[09:33] <cbx33> crimsun, kk
[09:33] <crimsun> well mark it 'fixed' + 'pending' then
[09:34] <Kyral> I'll submit the combined patch to Debian
[09:34] <Kyral> then when it goes through I'll request a sync from Sid
[09:35] <Kyral> of course this all takes place AFTER Finals in two weeks
[09:36] <crimsun> finals were always the most relaxing time for me
[09:36] <Kyral> no way
[09:36] <crimsun> semesters sucked arse
[09:37] <crimsun> way. I was far too busy during the semester to be anything but relieved during finals
[09:37] <crimsun> (compsci, English lit, biochem)
[09:38] <Kyral> Well, I'm sure they will understand if I delay it until I'm clear of school
[09:38] <crimsun> of course
[09:38] <crimsun> I don't even bother doing bugfixes right now until I'm certain I can set aside a couple hours
[10:27] <cbx33> crimsun, I know the feeling