| cbx33 | right nn lucasvo ogra | 12:08 |
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| cbx33 | hope to catch you all tomorrow in the meeting | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | cbx33: g8 | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | oh, sorry that's swiss german | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | gnite | 12:09 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 12:09 |
| JaneW | night all | 12:18 |
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| highvoltage | night JaneW | 12:20 |
| lucasvo | goodnight JaneW | 12:20 |
| lucasvo | ogra: that's a hot one for me: What's the policy for adding people to kubuntu-members and edubuntu-members launchpad teams ? jriddell, ogra | 12:22 |
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| Bluekuja | i go | 12:24 |
| Bluekuja | cya to all channel | 12:24 |
| lucasvo | Bluekuja: cya | 12:30 |
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| highvoltage | geez, it's getting late. | 12:46 |
| lns | Late?? It's only 4:00pm here ;) | 12:53 |
| highvoltage | 0:56 here :) | 12:56 |
| lns | hehe | 01:07 |
| highvoltage | goodnight, #edubuntu! | 01:09 |
| highvoltage | ubotu: goodnight | 01:09 |
| ubotu | highvoltage: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/ | 01:09 |
| highvoltage | dumb bot. | 01:09 |
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| AMDXP | hi there | 05:57 |
| Burgundavia | salut AMDXP | 06:04 |
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| cbx33 | can the ltsp client be run from the livecd of edubuntu? | 09:14 |
| cbx33 | my mistake | 09:18 |
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| cbx33 | Is there a howto for getting graphical login for ltsp in edubuntu breezy? or is that not possible. | 11:11 |
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| highvoltage | cbx33: you should get a graphical login by default | 11:32 |
| highvoltage | guys, i'm going to miss (at least most) of the meeting this afternoon, i will be available on irc tonight though | 11:32 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: not on breezy | 11:34 |
| cbx33 | I had to do a lot to get it to work, and not it's broken | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | :p | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | I'm going to submit a report to you guys in a while | 11:35 |
| cbx33 | if that's ok....one of them might be a bug report, if so I'll bug report it on an ok from you guys | 11:41 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: were you talking about breezy or dapper edubuntu? | 11:45 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: both | 11:47 |
| highvoltage | cbx33: although dapper has a nicer, themed login | 11:47 |
| cbx33 | I'll write up my report and send it along to the ML tonight | 11:48 |
| cbx33 | is there an agenda for the meeting today? | 11:52 |
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| mwright1night | Hi anyone about | 12:34 |
| ogra | sure | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | yup | 12:35 |
| mwright1night | are you interested in usability in gnome? | 12:35 |
| ogra | sure :) | 12:35 |
| mwright1night | ogra: cool | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | yup | 12:35 |
| mwright1night | ok I am keen to get a change made to gnome, it can be done a couple of ways | 12:35 |
| mwright1night | Default action is to move like a mac, when you drag and drop a file | 12:35 |
| mwright1night | on a PC the default option is to copy | 12:36 |
| cbx33 | depends whree you're copying it from and to | 12:36 |
| mwright1night | problem is, a move is the same as a unix mv and if a directory is set g+s then move does not inherit the permissions | 12:36 |
| mwright1night | say home directory to a shared directory set g+s | 12:36 |
| ogra | thats rather something for ubuntu, we wont change ubuntu defaults in our packages if possible | 12:36 |
| mwright1night | ogra: maybe you could pass on, cause it's particularly a problem in a LTSP environment | 12:37 |
| ogra | since we dont want to differ in behavior | 12:37 |
| mwright1night | cause what is different about a windows office or windows situation is that they always keep the files on a file server | 12:37 |
| mwright1night | I am not having much luck talking to any ubuntu people except for when I ran into Jeff at Linuxworld AU | 12:37 |
| mwright1night | and he agreed to get the change into the dot release of gnome | 12:38 |
| ogra | try to ask in the ubuntu-desktop mailing list or in #ubuntu-desktop, these are the guys caring for the gnome packages | 12:38 |
| mwright1night | but I didn't have any luck with the responsible developer -- which was probably partly my fault | 12:38 |
| ogra | i'm pretty sure they want a proper whishlist bug for it ;) | 12:38 |
| mwright1night | ok | 12:38 |
| mwright1night | it's pretty high on wishlist | 12:38 |
| mwright1night | it's the only feature that nautilus is lacking in my user environment | 12:39 |
| ogra | it wont happen for dapper, we're working on the beta release which will be out on 20th | 12:39 |
| mwright1night | I have this really ugly kludge script that runs every minute from cron fixing permissions | 12:39 |
| mwright1night | The excuse I got from gnome people when I tried to get it in gnome, was that windows works the same way | 12:39 |
| ogra | did you ask jdub for help ? | 12:39 |
| ogra | (with ubuntu, not gnome upstream i mean) | 12:40 |
| mwright1night | but I argue that it does not, cause no one shares the same folder on the same box in win32 land .. they always throw a dozen servers acting as file servers | 12:40 |
| mwright1night | yer it was jeff I ran into at linuxworld.. I didn't know his nick on irc though | 12:40 |
| ogra | if he agreed with you, he'll be the best person to help | 12:41 |
| mwright1night | Ok but this particularly effects your project | 12:43 |
| mwright1night | cause it's terminal server environments that have lots of ordinary end users | 12:43 |
| mwright1night | and to save $$$ and have better IO, the shared folder is often on the same server | 12:43 |
| mwright1night | It certainly is in the 5 LTSPs I look after | 12:44 |
| mwright1night | if it is via a samba share, you can set samba to behave differently | 12:44 |
| ogra | might be, but its still a nautilus default that needs fixage in the nautilus package | 12:44 |
| mwright1night | but cause it's the same server, nautilus is in control | 12:44 |
| mwright1night | yep | 12:44 |
| mwright1night | ok I'll work with them, I thought I could interest you and you'd have move sway with them | 12:44 |
| mwright1night | I've been trying to get some action on this for a while | 12:45 |
| ogra | i'll support you if i have some time to look into the issue, currently i'm very busy with the beta preparation and testing CDs | 12:46 |
| mwright1night | ok fair enough | 12:48 |
| mwright1night | I am interested in your teacher tool for ubuntu | 12:48 |
| mwright1night | is it out yet? | 12:48 |
| ogra | we have the beginnings in dapper universe | 12:48 |
| ogra | its called student-control-panel | 12:48 |
| ogra | but still needs a lot of love | 12:49 |
| mwright1night | I can't come to edubuntu ltsp yet until the october release, cause I need local devices | 12:50 |
| mwright1night | I'm trying to set them up now, but I am very excited about ubuntu (as a long time Redhat user) | 12:50 |
| ogra | we'll have all you need in universe in dapper | 12:50 |
| ogra | you just have to set it up yourself | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | mwright1night: i recently moved from fedora to ubuntu myself :p | 12:51 |
| JaneW | At the meeting today we will be discussing: The Dev Status, Bug Status, Testing Status, Artwork, Web Site progress, Documentation, Cookbook, Edubuntu Memeber status and anything else required to be discussed. | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | excellent | 12:52 |
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| ogra | JaneW, please dont count on me too much... | 12:52 |
| ogra | beta is keeping me very busy | 12:52 |
| mwright1night | I haven't moved yet, but we are doing a new LTSP for Friends of the Earth Melbourne www.mel.foe.org.au and radio 3cr www.3cr.org.au | 12:52 |
| mwright1night | we will do both of them with dapper drake and see how it goes | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | cool | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | 1 hour till meeting yeh? | 12:53 |
| mwright1night | then if that goes well, my other 5 LTSPs I will convert to Ubuntu over christmas, Redhat just doesn't care about desktop that much | 12:53 |
| cbx33 | redhat have generally gone downhill | 12:54 |
| JaneW | ogra: can you give us 5-10 mins? | 12:57 |
| ogra | sure | 12:58 |
| JaneW | mwright1night: that's ironic | 12:58 |
| JaneW | friends of the earth = foe ;) | 12:59 |
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| mwright1night | yer foe | 01:17 |
| mwright1night | it's a bit of a bummer | 01:17 |
| mwright1night | maybe fote would be better | 01:17 |
| cbx33 | :p | 01:25 |
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| bluekuja | lol i have missed two times | 01:30 |
| bluekuja | the shedule | 01:30 |
| bluekuja | in ubuntu-meeting | 01:30 |
| bluekuja | -.- | 01:30 |
| bluekuja | wats the correct command? | 01:30 |
| cbx33 | @schedule GMT | 01:31 |
| cbx33 | ok, my LTSP won;t boot at all | 01:32 |
| cbx33 | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-152005.html | 01:33 |
| cbx33 | same issue as here? | 01:33 |
| ogra | thats a nfs timeout | 01:34 |
| cbx33 | hmmm | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | why would it be doing that | 01:39 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 01:43 |
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| JaneW | **Reminder** 7 minutes to the Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting | 01:53 |
| AndreaVeri | okie | 01:54 |
| cbx33 | note taken | 01:55 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: so the approval path is the same as at the CC meetings for ubuntu? | 03:20 |
| ogra | yep | 03:20 |
| ogra | i'll have to clearify how the status of ubuntumembers is | 03:20 |
| cbx33 | I'd better get my tail i ngear then | 03:20 |
| cbx33 | thank you for all the help today ogra | 03:20 |
| ogra | i.e. are they automatically in edubuntu-members as well | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | I'll get on with doccing those scripts | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | so all ubuntu memebrs are edubuntu members? | 03:21 |
| ogra | i dont know | 03:21 |
| ogra | thats what i need to know | 03:21 |
| cbx33 | i thought it was a one way thing | 03:21 |
| bimberi | vica-versa according to the launchpad setup | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | that's what i understood, but clarification is a good thing | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | brb | 03:22 |
| ogra | i dont think its really vice versa ... | 03:22 |
| ogra | i think edubuntu members are automatically ubuntu members, but not the other way around | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | yes | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | that's what i understood | 03:23 |
| bimberi | that's what i meant | 03:23 |
| ogra | but i'll clearify that before writing the mail | 03:23 |
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| cbx33 | good work ogra | 03:26 |
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| kjcole | TIme for me to do office work... | 03:31 |
| kjcole | I wish I could spend more time in IRC than I do. | 03:31 |
| kjcole | Later all. | 03:31 |
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| bobulator | hey everyone, how ya doin? | 03:46 |
| bobulator | i got a quick question - im trying to do a network install of regular xubuntu, how can i temporarily disable the thin client stuff? | 03:48 |
| ogra | you'll need to use netboot images | 03:52 |
| ogra | but i doubt xubuntu has any | 03:52 |
| ogra | the ubuntu ones are here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 03:52 |
| bobulator | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet | 03:54 |
| bobulator | i was trying that? | 03:54 |
| bobulator | no dice? | 03:54 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I'm gonna doc in sgml then convert that work for you? | 03:55 |
| ogra | cbx33, sure | 03:55 |
| cbx33 | I got all I need now I think, once they are ready and approved, shall I submit the bug for debian to get the mincluded upstream? | 03:56 |
| ogra | we are upstream | 03:56 |
| cbx33 | sorry downstream | 03:56 |
| ogra | debian occasionally merges from us and we from them | 03:57 |
| cbx33 | my brain isn't functioning today | 03:57 |
| ogra | dont care about debian, i'll do that | 03:57 |
| cbx33 | is it a good idea to doc when my brain isn't functioning...I'll let you decide :p | 03:57 |
| cbx33 | np ogra | 03:57 |
| ogra | would be nice if you could do it in bzr | 03:57 |
| ogra | its easier to merge that way | 03:57 |
| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/ is the current upstream branch | 03:58 |
| cbx33 | ow would i do that? | 03:59 |
| ogra | mkdir ltsp | 03:59 |
| ogra | cd ltsp | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | I've never had exposure to bzr | 03:59 |
| ogra | bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/ | 03:59 |
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| ogra | make your changes | 03:59 |
| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 03:59 |
| ogra | bzr commit -m'i made some changes' | 03:59 |
| ogra | then upload the tree to a webserver and notify me | 04:00 |
| highvoltage | hi cbx33 | 04:00 |
| ogra | i can just run bzr merge <url> then | 04:00 |
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| cbx33 | ok | 04:00 |
| bobulator | ogra, you think the localnet boot is no go and i need to use the netboot image? | 04:00 |
| ogra | bobulator, you need an image that installs xubuntu | 04:00 |
| ogra | we dont have such an image i fear | 04:00 |
| bobulator | on that page though, you just use the normal disk iso | 04:01 |
| ogra | ah, then follow these instructions | 04:01 |
| bobulator | i mean im not really that fussed between them, it just looked like the simplest way | 04:01 |
| bobulator | but its trying to thin client boot, how i i stop it? :) | 04:01 |
| ogra | i only have done normal net installs of ubuntu so far | 04:01 |
| bobulator | ah cool | 04:01 |
| ogra | no idea and i'm currently working to get the beta CD images ready... its not really the time for me to give support | 04:02 |
| bobulator | haha ok thats cool :) | 04:02 |
| bobulator | do i need to alter the netboot instructions much? | 04:02 |
| bobulator | for booting off an edubuntu server | 04:02 |
| ogra | no idea | 04:02 |
| bobulator | ah you only ever done it off standalones? | 04:02 |
| cbx33 | ogra: that bzr command fails | 04:03 |
| bimberi | cbx33: what do you get? | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | an integer is required | 04:04 |
| ogra | dpkg -l bzr ? | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | up it's installed ok | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | do i have to run this from a dapper root, or can it be fro ma breezy root? | 04:04 |
| ogra | which version | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | 0.1.1-0ubuntu1 bazaar-ng, the next-generation distributed v | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | is that one too old? | 04:05 |
| ogra | 0.8~2006040710 is recent | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | I'll try it from within my dapper chroot | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | ok works now | 04:06 |
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| cbx33 | bzr: ERROR: An error has been detected in the repository http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/.Please run bzr reconcile on this repository. | 04:08 |
| munzir | Hi, most apps I launch from a terminal shows: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169 Major opcode: 147 Minor opcode: 3 Failed to open device | 04:09 |
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| ogra | gah, crap, that a11y stuff ate all the free space on the isos | 04:38 |
| ogra | cbx33, did you wipe the tree before using the newer version ? might be old cruft from the try with 0.1.1 | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | ogra, yeah i would have expected that | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | did we just explode? | 04:43 |
| ogra | i didnt | 04:43 |
| ogra | since nobody notified me that there were seed changes at all | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | i was surprised when my desktop started downloading dasher | 04:43 |
| ogra | dholbach neither merges with edubuntu (as all the others do) nor does he notify me if he changes the ubuntu seed | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | i guess he doesn't like little children? heh | 04:44 |
| ogra | so it was a bit surprising, since i had planned to use the 20MB free space i had managed over the last weeks for languages | 04:44 |
| ogra | nah, he's just not used to seed management | 04:45 |
| ogra | its an oversight | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | i guess we're shipping a11y by default then | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | can you remove those? | 04:46 |
| ogra | i *could* | 04:47 |
| ogra | i'm just not sure if i *should* :) | 04:47 |
| ogra | gnome-a11y-themes are ~2MB alone | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | ahh the high contrast stuff | 04:49 |
| jsgotangco | however the installer has a11y stuff too | 04:49 |
| ogra | that as well | 04:49 |
| ogra | and i dont know on which parts it relies | 04:49 |
| ogra | its not documented yet | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | it seems to have all components | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | even festival | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm | 04:50 |
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| Bluekuja | Mr highvoltage | 06:30 |
| Bluekuja | welcome | 06:30 |
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| highvoltage | hi mr Bluekuja | 06:36 |
| lucasvo | hi highvoltage | 06:36 |
| lucasvo | hi Bluekuja | 06:36 |
| lucasvo | sorry, I couldn't make it to the meeting | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: when's the next cc meeting? | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | hi lucasvo | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: how are things? | 06:36 |
| Bluekuja | hi lucasvo :) | 06:36 |
| lucasvo | well, I sold a website to a customer, so I think they aren't that bad. :) | 06:36 |
| Bluekuja | i dont know when it will be, im trying to talk with elmo | 06:36 |
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| highvoltage | lucasvo: great | 06:38 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: what about the edubuntu website? | 06:38 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: i'm going to make the font a bit bigger, and get the edubuntu pages so that it will work fine, and then we go live. | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | then i'll send the edubuntu theme to both you and pips1 | 06:39 |
| Bluekuja | jon translations? | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | or i'll find a place where we can play a bit | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | then we can build forward on what we have. | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: let me just check launchpad... | 06:40 |
| spacey | argh | 06:40 |
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| Bluekuja | ok | 06:41 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: I think the news are more important than the related projects | 06:41 |
| ogra | spacey, so did someone start a dhcp server in your net | 06:41 |
| lucasvo | maybe one could move them up? | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: yeah | 06:41 |
| spacey | ogra: probably not but actually i would not be enterily suprised | 06:42 |
| spacey | we did an upgrade this weekend, but that shouldn't have caused the problem | 06:42 |
| ogra | you should see where the IP comes from if usplash drops you to console mode | 06:42 |
| spacey | we placed a second server and upgraded the "backbone" switch to gbit | 06:42 |
| spacey | hmmm | 06:43 |
| spacey | bring me on an idea | 06:43 |
| spacey | s/bring/brings | 06:44 |
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| lucasvo | highvoltage: I like the new searchbox | 06:57 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: thanks | 06:57 |
| lucasvo | fits the design better | 06:57 |
| highvoltage | Bluekuja: jordi is helping me now | 06:57 |
| highvoltage | lucasvo: Burgwork freaked out a bit at the blue, so i changed it :) | 06:57 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: well, he did a good job | 06:58 |
| lucasvo | ;) | 06:58 |
| highvoltage | :) | 06:58 |
| lucasvo | !seen LaserJock | 06:59 |
| ubotu | laserjock <n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 11d 10h 39m 51s ago, saying: 'I know Seveas has a little repo for it, but I haven't seen any work on it for Dapper'. | 06:59 |
| ogra | blue ? | 06:59 |
| lucasvo | ogra: yeah, the search button was blue | 06:59 |
| ogra | oh, yes, i remember | 07:00 |
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| drbreen | how do i build the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory again (on ubuntu) ? my clients seem to need it for network boot... | 07:05 |
| ogra | sudo ltsp-build-client you mean ? | 07:06 |
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| drbreen | ltsp-build-client takes ages just to verify the packages ? | 07:09 |
| ogra | yes, it checks the md5 sums etc ... | 07:09 |
| Burgwork | highvoltage, I did not freak out. I expressed concern about colour consistency | 07:09 |
| drbreen | ok | 07:09 |
| drbreen | thx | 07:09 |
| highvoltage | Burgwork: yes, so you did. | 07:11 |
| drbreen | so i should not download tgz packages ? | 07:11 |
| === HedgeMage peeks in | ||
| highvoltage | Burgwork: didn't mean to offend :) | 07:11 |
| drbreen | cause it downloads packages | 07:12 |
| drbreen | with ltspadmin | 07:12 |
| ogra | never ever use ltspadmin with ubuntu ltsp installed | 07:12 |
| ogra | that breaks completely | 07:12 |
| ogra | sudo apt-get remove --purge ltsp-utils ... there is a reason it is in universe ;) | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ltspadmin installs in /usr/sbin/ltspadmin | 07:13 |
| highvoltage | ogra: do you think we should put a script higher in the path, that prints a message that ltspadmin shouldn't be used with ubuntu ltsp? | 07:13 |
| ogra | highvoltage, its neither shipped, nor supported nor in main | 07:14 |
| Burgwork | highvoltage, nope :) | 07:14 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ok, but many people seem to use it, we often hear about this more than once a week. | 07:14 |
| ogra | so i dont really care ... if users install the stuff from universe thats their own fault | 07:14 |
| ogra | yes, it was on the CD in breezy | 07:15 |
| ogra | thats a problem with breezy, but it was fixed in breezy updates as well as in dapper | 07:15 |
| highvoltage | ok, then i suppose it will be less of a problem in the future. | 07:15 |
| ogra | yep | 07:15 |
| drbreen | ARGL | 07:16 |
| drbreen | i used ltsp-admin | 07:16 |
| drbreen | now do i have to rebuild everything and stuff ? | 07:16 |
| ogra | would make sense, yes, is that breezy or dapper ? | 07:16 |
| drbreen | breezy | 07:16 |
| drbreen | and it just worked - shit | 07:17 |
| ogra | you have to decide for either ltsp implementation | 07:17 |
| drbreen | ok yeah i know | 07:17 |
| drbreen | and the ubuntu one was the one liked | 07:17 |
| ogra | ok | 07:17 |
| drbreen | so what can i do now | 07:18 |
| ogra | so use the command i gave above | 07:18 |
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| drbreen | i have | 07:18 |
| drbreen | and how can i rebuild | 07:18 |
| drbreen | when everything is installed | 07:18 |
| ogra | ok, now do the same with ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone | 07:18 |
| drbreen | ok | 07:18 |
| ogra | then rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp | 07:18 |
| ogra | then rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 | 07:19 |
| ogra | then install ltsp-server-standalone again and run ltsp-build-client | 07:19 |
| ogra | after that adjust /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, start the dhcp server and boot a client :) | 07:19 |
| drbreen | thanks | 07:21 |
| === spacey will go to location shortly and test some stuff | ||
| === spacey fears the worst | ||
| ogra | spacey, either your nfs server is really broken, or the client tries to mount from the wrong machine ... | 07:23 |
| ogra | no rocket science ... | 07:23 |
| spacey | well | 07:25 |
| spacey | at least the nfs server works for other mounts | 07:26 |
| ogra | do you have portmap restricted on the server in any way | 07:26 |
| ogra | (hosts.allow/deny come to mind) | 07:26 |
| spacey | nop | 07:27 |
| spacey | the wierd thing is that it worked (yesterday as well). | 07:28 |
| spacey | and today it doesn't | 07:28 |
| spacey | and i can't see any relation with the upgrade we had this weekend | 07:28 |
| spacey | although the ltsp wiki said something about that ip fragmentation problems etc. | 07:28 |
| spacey | but that doesn't make sense | 07:29 |
| spacey | for this error | 07:29 |
| spacey | anyway | 07:29 |
| === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Please test our beta candidate http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060419.1/ (and the daily-li | ||
| spacey | i'm go there in 15 min and poke around a bit :) | 07:30 |
| === ..[topic/#edubuntu:ogra] : Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu, download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Mailing List http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org | Website http://www.edubuntu.org | MEETING: every wednesday at 12:00 UTC | Read before installing: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Please test our beta candidate http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060419.1/ (liveCD as well) | ||
| spacey | edgy eft | 07:36 |
| spacey | heh | 07:36 |
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| highvoltage | pggt. | 09:00 |
| highvoltage | drupal's translation just covers the drupal words (menu's, etc), not the content. that is quite depressing. | 09:01 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: IIRC there is a way to extend that... I'll look when TT naps | 09:07 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: nice, that would be very much appreciated | 09:08 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: #drupal is convinced that you can't :( | 09:09 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: well, a friend of mine was in the process of hacking together a drupal module to add that functionality, the question is whether it's done or not | 09:10 |
| HedgeMage | (or if it's close enough we could finish it off for the edubuntu site) | 09:10 |
| highvoltage | ok | 09:11 |
| HedgeMage | if not, I bet we could come up with one | 09:14 |
| HedgeMage | I've been playing with drupal for a while and am pretty familiar with it | 09:14 |
| highvoltage | cook | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | i mean... cool. | 09:20 |
| HedgeMage | :) | 09:22 |
| AMDXP | anyone using the dapper version of Edubuntu? | 09:22 |
| highvoltage | AMDXP: yes, lots of people :) | 09:28 |
| highvoltage | AMDXP: i'm running dapper on my system, i have all of the edubuntu packages installed. something i can assist with? | 09:29 |
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| spacey | dammit | 09:38 |
| HedgeMage | spacey: nice to see you, too :P | 09:38 |
| spacey | hi | 09:39 |
| spacey | this nfs server not responding error is not good for my mood | 09:39 |
| spacey | the client seems to get the right ip address if i look at the dhcpd logs | 09:39 |
| spacey | i can mount /opt/ltsp on my laptop | 09:40 |
| ogra | what kind of ltsp ? | 09:40 |
| spacey | the classic one, so nothing to worry for you ogra;) | 09:42 |
| ogra | i expected that, but still, 4.1 or 4.2 ? | 09:42 |
| spacey | 4.1 | 09:42 |
| ogra | hmm, thats an 2.4 kernel, right ? | 09:43 |
| spacey | nope | 09:43 |
| spacey | 2.6.9 | 09:43 |
| ogra | oh | 09:43 |
| spacey | it has both | 09:43 |
| ogra | sad, i know there is some discrepancy in nfs handling and framesize between 2.4 and .26 | 09:43 |
| ogra | *2.6 too | 09:43 |
| ogra | but if you use 2.6 all over that cant be it | 09:44 |
| spacey | wierd thing is just that everything worked fine till today | 09:44 |
| spacey | that cracks my nuts | 09:44 |
| === spacey recalls the phrase "everything worked just fine till today" from his past part time helpdesk job | ||
| ogra | a cleaning woman that unplugged the network cable ? | 09:45 |
| spacey | ogra: well in that case it wouldn't tftp either :) | 09:46 |
| ogra | if the plug isnt plugged in completely ? | 09:46 |
| spacey | hmm | 09:46 |
| spacey | well at least the rest of the network traffic is no problem | 09:47 |
| ogra | or the NIC doesnt work in full duplex, did you check with miitool ? | 09:47 |
| spacey | thats wierd | 09:51 |
| spacey | the edubuntu server says it has 100mbit full duplex | 09:51 |
| spacey | but the switch says it the edubuntu server has 1000mbit | 09:51 |
| ogra | hmm, so its a switch configuration bug i'd guess | 09:52 |
| ogra | or a bug in the NIC driver | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: still about? | 09:52 |
| ogra | is the server supposed to have gigE ? | 09:53 |
| spacey | yup | 09:53 |
| spacey | we made it gbitE this weekend | 09:53 |
| spacey | so it could be related | 09:53 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: yep | 09:53 |
| ogra | yup, you said so | 09:53 |
| spacey | dmesg says it 1000mbit | 09:53 |
| spacey | but mii-tool says 100mbit-FD | 09:53 |
| ogra | probably miitool is just silly | 09:54 |
| HedgeMage | highvoltage: talked to the person I mentioned... he abondoned the project shortly after starting it, so no go there... I still think we should be able to hack something together though | 09:54 |
| ogra | what happens if you patch the client to another port ? | 09:54 |
| spacey | i think i should drag a client from the classroom to the switch then | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | HedgeMage: ok, thanks for checking up on that | 09:55 |
| spacey | since the wires here are mad | 09:55 |
| highvoltage | goodnight HedgeMage, ogra and spacey | 09:55 |
| spacey | gn highvoltage | 09:55 |
| HedgeMage | np | 09:55 |
| HedgeMage | night night highvoltage | 09:55 |
| HedgeMage | BTW, who schedules the edubuntu meetings? | 09:56 |
| ogra | we didnt really schedule more than once and decided it fits everyone participating ... | 09:57 |
| === HedgeMage wants to whine about the bad timing, and not rotating times like main ubuntu at least | ||
| ogra | if that changed we need to rotate the schedule | 09:57 |
| ogra | or reschedule | 09:57 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: well, I can say that I'd show up if it weren't in the 4 or 6 hour window where I really really have to sleep | 09:58 |
| ogra | we had only east coast people here so far | 09:58 |
| ogra | for them its 8:00 am or something | 09:58 |
| ogra | we'll move the date then | 09:58 |
| HedgeMage | it's 4am for me :( | 10:00 |
| HedgeMage | yay! | 10:00 |
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| spacey | well that didn't have any effect | 10:02 |
| spacey | i wonder if setting nfs to tcp would help | 10:03 |
| ogra | try it ? | 10:03 |
| spacey | yeah | 10:03 |
| spacey | should be able to set it in /linuxrc | 10:03 |
| Burgwork | ogra, I would love it we could rotate the schedule | 10:03 |
| Burgwork | I am the same tz as HedgeMage (in fact, so is robitaille) | 10:03 |
| ogra | JaneW, will hate me for that :) | 10:04 |
| ogra | but since we can approve members now, we'll have to offer more TZ compatibility | 10:04 |
| HedgeMage | approve members? | 10:04 |
| ogra | yep | 10:05 |
| === HedgeMage wonders what ogra means | ||
| ogra | if you want an ubuntu.com mailadress or want to be a developer, the first step is to become a ubuntu member | 10:05 |
| ogra | we can now also make edubuntu members | 10:06 |
| AMDXP | well i hope to download and try out edubuntu i think this will be great for my niece | 10:07 |
| ogra | HedgeMage, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember | 10:08 |
| spacey | is edubuntu and ubuntu membership seperated? | 10:08 |
| HedgeMage | ahh | 10:08 |
| ogra | spacey, nope | 10:08 |
| spacey | so whats the difference?:) | 10:09 |
| ogra | if you are a edubuntu member, you automatically become a ubuntu member | 10:09 |
| ogra | that the CC doesnt approve edubuntu applicants anymore | 10:09 |
| spacey | not through community council? | 10:09 |
| ogra | same for kubuntu | 10:09 |
| spacey | aha | 10:09 |
| ogra | nope, through the edubuntu "council" | 10:10 |
| spacey | hehe | 10:10 |
| ogra | (which we dont have yet) | 10:10 |
| HedgeMage | ogra: ahh spiffy | 10:10 |
| spacey | what do you have in mind for edubuntu council | 10:11 |
| ogra | the advantage is that you get both mail adresses as edubuntu member | 10:11 |
| ogra | ;) | 10:11 |
| ogra | ubuntu.com and edubuntu.org :) | 10:11 |
| spacey | yay :P | 10:11 |
| ogra | spacey, at least 3 people | 10:11 |
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| ogra | i think we'll start with jane and me and an elected community member | 10:11 |
| ogra | i'd like to step back from that responsibility at some point though | 10:12 |
| ogra | i'll send a mail to the list so we can discuss it after the beta dust has settled around me :) | 10:13 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| Bluekuja | ogra: news about the next cc meeting? | 10:18 |
| Bluekuja | agenda is still not updated | 10:18 |
| ogra | Bluekuja, why do you ask me ? | 10:18 |
| ogra | i have no clue | 10:18 |
| Bluekuja | ogra: coz you know everything | 10:18 |
| ogra | i'm not a CC member | 10:18 |
| Bluekuja | ahha im joking :) | 10:18 |
| ogra | :) | 10:18 |
| Bluekuja | i think that oliver can answer to an infinity of questions | 10:19 |
| Bluekuja | giving a great answer | 10:19 |
| Bluekuja | ;) | 10:19 |
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| spacey | too bad i missed the meeting today | 10:25 |
| spacey | anyway i'm off home | 10:25 |
| spacey | time to call it a day regarding ltsp | 10:25 |
| spacey | bbl | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | ogra: so I could have 2 email addresses, how cool ;-) | 10:32 |
| ogra | yep | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | if it weren't for the time I'd be making the edubuntu meetings | 10:33 |
| ogra | ok, thats already two vioces | 10:33 |
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| mzuverink | Is there a location that has a bunch of kvtml files for the various kde apps that make up edubuntu? | 10:38 |
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| Bluekuja | goodnight #edubuntu :) | 11:27 |
| HedgeMage | night night Bluekuja | 11:27 |
| lucasvo | LaserJock: hi | 11:32 |
| lucasvo | LaserJock: ogra said you were working on making edubuntu suit a highschool/university use? | 11:34 |
| lucasvo | damn! | 11:35 |
| lucasvo | gimp crashed again | 11:35 |
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| lns | lucasvo, I would think Edubuntu in a university would be straying a bit from Edubuntu's goals..just MHO though | 12:03 |
| lns | I would think straight Ubuntu/LTSP would be much better suited | 12:03 |
| Burgwork | the needs of a university are different but similar to those of a school | 12:03 |
| ogra | lns, how would you define edubuntus goals ? | 12:03 |
| lns | uh oh, i pissed off the leader ;) j/k | 12:03 |
| lns | well | 12:03 |
| ogra | nope | 12:03 |
| lns | it says right on the site, "Linux for YOUNG human beings" | 12:04 |
| ogra | you didnt its an important question | 12:04 |
| lns | and the graphical content, themes and a bunch of applications already in Edubuntu are geared toward ages 3-9 | 12:04 |
| ogra | that changes in dapper | 12:04 |
| lns | what changes? | 12:05 |
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