[12:08] <cbx33> right nn lucasvo ogra 
[12:08] <cbx33> hope to catch you all tomorrow in the meeting
[12:09] <lucasvo> cbx33: g8
[12:09] <lucasvo> oh, sorry that's swiss german
[12:09] <lucasvo> gnite
[12:09] <cbx33> hehe
[12:18] <JaneW> night all
[12:20] <highvoltage> night JaneW 
[12:20] <lucasvo> goodnight JaneW 
[12:22] <lucasvo> ogra: that's a hot one for me: What's the policy for adding people to kubuntu-members and edubuntu-members launchpad teams ? jriddell, ogra
[12:24] <Bluekuja> i go
[12:24] <Bluekuja> cya to all channel
[12:30] <lucasvo> Bluekuja: cya
[12:46] <highvoltage> geez, it's getting late.
[12:53] <lns> Late?? It's only 4:00pm here ;)
[12:56] <highvoltage> 0:56 here :)
[01:07] <lns> hehe
[01:09] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu!
[01:09] <highvoltage> ubotu: goodnight
[01:09] <ubotu> highvoltage: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:09] <highvoltage> dumb bot.
[05:57] <AMDXP> hi there
[06:04] <Burgundavia> salut AMDXP
[09:14] <cbx33> can the ltsp client be run from the livecd of edubuntu?
[09:18] <cbx33> my mistake
[11:11] <cbx33> Is there a howto for getting graphical login for ltsp in edubuntu breezy? or is that not possible.
[11:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: you should get a graphical login by default
[11:32] <highvoltage> guys, i'm going to miss (at least most) of the meeting this afternoon, i will be available on irc tonight though
[11:34] <cbx33> highvoltage: not on breezy
[11:35] <cbx33> I had to do a lot to get it to work, and not it's broken
[11:35] <cbx33> :p
[11:35] <cbx33> I'm going to submit a report to you guys in a while
[11:41] <cbx33> if that's ok....one of them might be a bug report, if so I'll bug report it on an ok from you guys
[11:45] <cbx33> highvoltage: were you talking about breezy or dapper edubuntu?
[11:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: both
[11:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: although dapper has a nicer, themed login
[11:48] <cbx33> I'll write up my report and send it along to the ML tonight
[11:52] <cbx33> is there an agenda for the meeting today?
[12:34] <mwright1night> Hi anyone about
[12:35] <ogra> sure
[12:35] <cbx33> yup
[12:35] <mwright1night> are you interested in usability in gnome?
[12:35] <ogra> sure :)
[12:35] <mwright1night> ogra: cool 
[12:35] <cbx33> yup
[12:35] <mwright1night> ok I am keen to get a change made to gnome, it can be done a couple of ways
[12:35] <mwright1night> Default action is to move like a mac, when you drag and drop a file
[12:36] <mwright1night> on a PC the default option is to copy
[12:36] <cbx33> depends whree you're copying it from and to
[12:36] <mwright1night> problem is, a move is the same as a unix mv and if a directory is set g+s then move does not inherit the permissions
[12:36] <mwright1night> say home directory to a shared directory set g+s
[12:36] <ogra> thats rather something for ubuntu, we wont change ubuntu defaults in our packages if possible
[12:37] <mwright1night> ogra: maybe you could pass on, cause it's particularly a problem in a LTSP environment
[12:37] <ogra> since we dont want to differ in behavior
[12:37] <mwright1night> cause what is different about a windows office or windows situation is that they always keep the files on a file server
[12:37] <mwright1night> I am not having much luck talking to any ubuntu people except for when I ran into Jeff at Linuxworld AU
[12:38] <mwright1night> and he agreed to get the change into the dot release of gnome
[12:38] <ogra> try to ask in the ubuntu-desktop mailing list or in #ubuntu-desktop, these are the guys caring for the gnome packages
[12:38] <mwright1night> but I didn't have any luck with the responsible developer -- which was probably partly my fault
[12:38] <ogra> i'm pretty sure they want a proper whishlist bug for it ;)
[12:38] <mwright1night> ok
[12:38] <mwright1night> it's pretty high on wishlist
[12:39] <mwright1night> it's the only feature that nautilus is lacking in my user environment
[12:39] <ogra> it wont happen for dapper, we're working on the beta release which will be out on 20th
[12:39] <mwright1night> I have this really ugly kludge script that runs every minute from cron fixing permissions
[12:39] <mwright1night> The excuse I got from gnome people when I tried to get it in gnome, was that windows works the same way
[12:39] <ogra> did you ask jdub for help ? 
[12:40] <ogra> (with ubuntu, not gnome upstream i mean)
[12:40] <mwright1night> but I argue that it does not, cause no one shares the same folder on the same box in win32 land .. they always throw a dozen servers acting as file servers
[12:40] <mwright1night> yer it was jeff I ran into at linuxworld.. I didn't know his nick on irc though
[12:41] <ogra> if he agreed with you, he'll be the best person to help 
[12:43] <mwright1night> Ok but this particularly effects your project
[12:43] <mwright1night> cause it's terminal server environments that have lots of ordinary end users
[12:43] <mwright1night> and to save $$$ and have better IO, the shared folder is often on the same server
[12:44] <mwright1night> It certainly is in the 5 LTSPs I look after
[12:44] <mwright1night> if it is via a samba share, you can set samba to behave differently
[12:44] <ogra> might be, but its still a nautilus default that needs fixage in the nautilus package 
[12:44] <mwright1night> but cause it's the same server, nautilus is in control
[12:44] <mwright1night> yep
[12:44] <mwright1night> ok I'll work with them, I thought I could interest you and you'd have move sway with them
[12:45] <mwright1night> I've been trying to get some action on this for a while
[12:46] <ogra> i'll support you if i have some time to look into the issue, currently i'm very busy with the beta preparation and testing CDs
[12:48] <mwright1night> ok fair enough
[12:48] <mwright1night> I am interested in your teacher tool for ubuntu
[12:48] <mwright1night> is it out yet?
[12:48] <ogra> we have the beginnings in dapper universe
[12:48] <ogra> its called student-control-panel
[12:49] <ogra> but still needs a lot of love
[12:50] <mwright1night> I can't come to edubuntu ltsp yet until the october release, cause I need local devices
[12:50] <mwright1night> I'm trying to set them up now, but I am very excited about ubuntu (as a long time Redhat user)
[12:50] <ogra> we'll have all you need in universe in dapper
[12:50] <ogra> you just have to set it up yourself
[12:51] <cbx33> mwright1night: i recently moved from fedora to ubuntu myself :p
[12:52] <JaneW> At the meeting today we will be discussing: The Dev Status, Bug Status, Testing Status, Artwork, Web Site progress, Documentation, Cookbook, Edubuntu Memeber status and anything else required to be discussed.
[12:52] <cbx33> excellent
[12:52] <ogra> JaneW, please dont count on me too much... 
[12:52] <ogra> beta is keeping me very busy
[12:52] <mwright1night> I haven't moved yet, but we are doing a new LTSP for Friends of the Earth Melbourne www.mel.foe.org.au and radio 3cr www.3cr.org.au
[12:52] <mwright1night> we will do both of them with dapper drake and see how it goes
[12:52] <cbx33> cool
[12:53] <cbx33> 1 hour till meeting yeh?
[12:53] <mwright1night> then if that goes well, my other 5 LTSPs I will convert to Ubuntu over christmas, Redhat just doesn't care about desktop that much
[12:54] <cbx33> redhat have generally gone downhill
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra: can you give us 5-10 mins?
[12:58] <ogra> sure
[12:58] <JaneW> mwright1night: that's ironic
[12:59] <JaneW> friends of the earth = foe ;)
[01:17] <mwright1night> yer foe
[01:17] <mwright1night> it's a bit of a bummer 
[01:17] <mwright1night> maybe fote would be better
[01:25] <cbx33> :p
[01:30] <bluekuja> lol i have missed two times
[01:30] <bluekuja> the shedule
[01:30] <bluekuja> in ubuntu-meeting
[01:30] <bluekuja> -.-
[01:30] <bluekuja> wats the correct command?
[01:31] <cbx33> @schedule GMT
[01:32] <cbx33> ok, my LTSP won;t boot at all
[01:33] <cbx33> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-152005.html
[01:33] <cbx33> same issue as here?
[01:34] <ogra> thats a nfs timeout
[01:39] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:39] <cbx33> why would it be doing that
[01:43] <cbx33> oooh
[01:53] <JaneW> **Reminder** 7 minutes to the Edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:54] <AndreaVeri> okie 
[01:55] <cbx33> note taken
[03:20] <cbx33> ogra: so the approval path is the same as at the CC meetings for ubuntu?
[03:20] <ogra> yep
[03:20] <ogra> i'll have to clearify how the status of ubuntumembers is 
[03:20] <cbx33> I'd better get my tail i ngear then
[03:20] <cbx33> thank you for all the help today ogra 
[03:21] <ogra> i.e. are they automatically in edubuntu-members as well
[03:21] <cbx33> I'll get on with doccing those scripts
[03:21] <cbx33> so all ubuntu memebrs are edubuntu members?
[03:21] <ogra> i dont know
[03:21] <ogra> thats what i need to know
[03:21] <cbx33> i thought it was a one way thing
[03:22] <bimberi> vica-versa according to the launchpad setup
[03:22] <cbx33> that's what i understood, but clarification is a good thing
[03:22] <cbx33> brb
[03:22] <ogra> i dont think its really vice versa ...
[03:22] <ogra> i think edubuntu members are automatically ubuntu members, but not the other way around
[03:22] <cbx33> yes
[03:23] <cbx33> that's what i understood
[03:23] <bimberi> that's what i meant
[03:23] <ogra> but i'll clearify that before writing the mail
[03:26] <cbx33> good work ogra 
[03:31] <kjcole> TIme for me to do office work...
[03:31] <kjcole> I wish I could spend more time in IRC than I do.
[03:31] <kjcole> Later all.
[03:46] <bobulator> hey everyone, how ya doin?
[03:48] <bobulator> i got a quick question - im trying to do a network install of regular xubuntu, how can i temporarily disable the thin client stuff?
[03:52] <ogra> you'll need to use netboot images
[03:52] <ogra> but i doubt xubuntu has any 
[03:52] <ogra> the ubuntu ones are here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[03:54] <bobulator> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[03:54] <bobulator> i was trying that?
[03:54] <bobulator> no dice?
[03:55] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna doc in sgml then convert that work for you?
[03:55] <ogra> cbx33, sure
[03:56] <cbx33> I got all I need now I think, once they are ready and approved, shall I submit the bug for debian to get the mincluded upstream?
[03:56] <ogra> we are upstream
[03:56] <cbx33> sorry downstream
[03:57] <ogra> debian occasionally merges from us and we from them
[03:57] <cbx33> my brain isn't functioning today
[03:57] <ogra> dont care about debian, i'll do that
[03:57] <cbx33> is it a good idea to doc when my brain isn't functioning...I'll let you decide :p
[03:57] <cbx33> np ogra 
[03:57] <ogra> would be nice if you could do it in bzr
[03:57] <ogra> its easier to merge that way
[03:58] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/ is the current upstream branch 
[03:59] <cbx33> ow would i do that?
[03:59] <ogra> mkdir ltsp
[03:59] <ogra> cd ltsp
[03:59] <cbx33> I've never had exposure to bzr 
[03:59] <ogra> bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/
[03:59] <ogra> make your changes 
[03:59] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[03:59] <ogra> bzr commit -m'i made some changes'
[04:00] <ogra> then upload the tree to a webserver and notify me
[04:00] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[04:00] <ogra> i can just run bzr merge <url> then
[04:00] <cbx33> ok
[04:00] <bobulator> ogra, you think the localnet boot is no go and i need to use the netboot image?
[04:00] <ogra> bobulator, you need an image that installs xubuntu 
[04:00] <ogra> we dont have such an image i fear
[04:01] <bobulator> on that page though, you just use the normal disk iso
[04:01] <ogra> ah, then follow these instructions
[04:01] <bobulator> i mean im not really that fussed between them, it just looked like the simplest way
[04:01] <bobulator> but its trying to thin client boot, how i i stop it? :)
[04:01] <ogra> i only have done normal net installs of ubuntu so far
[04:01] <bobulator> ah cool
[04:02] <ogra> no idea and i'm currently working to get the beta CD images ready... its not really the time for me to give support
[04:02] <bobulator> haha ok thats cool :)
[04:02] <bobulator> do i need to alter the netboot instructions much?
[04:02] <bobulator> for booting off an edubuntu server
[04:02] <ogra> no idea
[04:02] <bobulator> ah you only ever done it off standalones?
[04:03] <cbx33> ogra: that bzr command fails
[04:03] <bimberi> cbx33: what do you get?
[04:04] <cbx33> an integer is required
[04:04] <ogra> dpkg -l bzr ? 
[04:04] <cbx33> up it's installed ok
[04:04] <cbx33> do i have to run this from a dapper root, or can it be fro ma breezy root?
[04:04] <ogra> which version
[04:04] <cbx33>  0.1.1-0ubuntu1 bazaar-ng, the next-generation distributed v
[04:05] <cbx33> is that one too old?
[04:05] <ogra> 0.8~2006040710 is recent
[04:05] <cbx33> I'll try it from within my dapper chroot
[04:06] <cbx33> ok works now
[04:08] <cbx33> bzr: ERROR: An error has been detected in the repository http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/dapper/.Please run bzr reconcile on this repository.
[04:09] <munzir> Hi, most apps I launch from a terminal shows: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169   Major opcode:  147  Minor opcode:  3 Failed to open device
[04:38] <ogra> gah, crap, that a11y stuff ate all the free space on the isos 
[04:39] <ogra> cbx33, did you wipe the tree before using the newer version ? might be old cruft from the try with 0.1.1 
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ogra, yeah i would have expected that
[04:43] <jsgotangco> did we just explode?
[04:43] <ogra> i didnt
[04:43] <ogra> since nobody notified me that there were seed changes at all
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i was surprised when my desktop started downloading dasher
[04:44] <ogra> dholbach neither merges with edubuntu (as all the others do) nor does he notify me if he changes the ubuntu seed
[04:44] <jsgotangco> i guess he doesn't like little children? heh
[04:44] <ogra> so it was a bit surprising, since i had planned to use the 20MB free space i had managed over the last weeks for languages
[04:45] <ogra> nah, he's just not used to seed management
[04:45] <ogra> its an oversight
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i guess we're shipping a11y by default then
[04:46] <jsgotangco> can you remove those?
[04:47] <ogra> i *could* 
[04:47] <ogra> i'm just not sure if i *should* :)
[04:47] <ogra> gnome-a11y-themes are ~2MB alone 
[04:49] <jsgotangco> ahh the high contrast stuff
[04:49] <jsgotangco> however the installer has a11y stuff too
[04:49] <ogra> that as well
[04:49] <ogra> and i dont know on which parts it relies
[04:50] <ogra> its not documented yet
[04:50] <jsgotangco> it seems to have all components
[04:50] <jsgotangco> even festival
[04:50] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[06:30] <Bluekuja> Mr highvoltage 
[06:30] <Bluekuja> welcome
[06:36] <highvoltage> hi mr Bluekuja 
[06:36] <lucasvo> hi highvoltage 
[06:36] <lucasvo> hi Bluekuja 
[06:36] <lucasvo> sorry, I couldn't make it to the meeting
[06:36] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: when's the next cc meeting?
[06:36] <highvoltage> hi lucasvo 
[06:36] <highvoltage> lucasvo: how are things?
[06:36] <Bluekuja> hi lucasvo :)
[06:36] <lucasvo> well, I sold a website to a customer, so I think they aren't that bad. :)
[06:36] <Bluekuja> i dont know when it will be, im trying to talk with elmo
[06:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: great
[06:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what about the edubuntu website?
[06:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i'm going to make the font a bit bigger, and get the edubuntu pages so that it will work fine, and then we go live.
[06:39] <highvoltage> then i'll send the edubuntu theme to both you and pips1
[06:39] <Bluekuja> jon translations?
[06:39] <highvoltage> or i'll find a place where we can play a bit
[06:40] <highvoltage> then we can build forward on what we have.
[06:40] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: let me just check launchpad...
[06:40] <spacey> argh
[06:41] <Bluekuja> ok
[06:41] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I think the news are more important than the related projects
[06:41] <ogra> spacey, so did someone start a dhcp server in your net
[06:41] <lucasvo> maybe one could move them up?
[06:41] <highvoltage> lucasvo: yeah
[06:42] <spacey> ogra: probably not but actually i would not be enterily suprised
[06:42] <spacey> we did an upgrade this weekend, but that shouldn't have caused the problem
[06:42] <ogra> you should see where the IP comes from if usplash drops you to console mode
[06:42] <spacey> we placed a second server and upgraded the "backbone" switch to gbit
[06:43] <spacey> hmmm
[06:43] <spacey> bring me on an idea
[06:44] <spacey> s/bring/brings
[06:57] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I like the new searchbox
[06:57] <highvoltage> lucasvo: thanks
[06:57] <lucasvo> fits the design better
[06:57] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: jordi is helping me now
[06:57] <highvoltage> lucasvo: Burgwork freaked out a bit at the blue, so i changed it :)
[06:58] <lucasvo> highvoltage: well, he did a good job
[06:58] <lucasvo> ;)
[06:58] <highvoltage> :)
[06:59] <lucasvo> !seen LaserJock
[06:59] <ubotu> laserjock <n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock> was last seen on IRC in channel #kubuntu, 11d 10h 39m 51s ago, saying: 'I know Seveas has a little repo for it, but I haven't seen any work on it for Dapper'.
[06:59] <ogra> blue ?
[06:59] <lucasvo> ogra: yeah, the search button was blue
[07:00] <ogra> oh, yes, i remember
[07:05] <drbreen> how do i build the /opt/ltsp/i386 directory again (on ubuntu) ? my clients seem to need it for network boot...
[07:06] <ogra> sudo ltsp-build-client you mean ?
[07:09] <drbreen> ltsp-build-client takes ages just to verify the packages ?
[07:09] <ogra> yes, it checks the md5 sums etc ...
[07:09] <Burgwork> highvoltage, I did not freak out. I expressed concern about colour consistency
[07:09] <drbreen> ok
[07:09] <drbreen> thx
[07:11] <highvoltage> Burgwork: yes, so you did.
[07:11] <drbreen> so i should not download tgz packages ?
[07:11] <highvoltage> Burgwork: didn't mean to offend :)
[07:12] <drbreen> cause it downloads packages
[07:12] <drbreen> with ltspadmin
[07:12] <ogra> never ever use ltspadmin with ubuntu ltsp installed
[07:12] <ogra> that breaks completely
[07:13] <ogra> sudo apt-get remove --purge ltsp-utils ... there is a reason it is in universe ;)
[07:13] <highvoltage> ogra: ltspadmin installs in /usr/sbin/ltspadmin
[07:13] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think we should put a script higher in the path, that prints a message that ltspadmin shouldn't be used with ubuntu ltsp?
[07:14] <ogra> highvoltage, its neither shipped, nor supported nor in main
[07:14] <Burgwork> highvoltage, nope :)
[07:14] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, but many people seem to use it, we often hear about this more than once a week.
[07:14] <ogra> so i dont really care ... if users install the stuff from universe thats their own fault
[07:15] <ogra> yes, it was on the CD in breezy
[07:15] <ogra> thats a problem with breezy, but it was fixed in breezy updates as well as in dapper
[07:15] <highvoltage> ok, then i suppose it will be less of a problem in the future.
[07:15] <ogra> yep
[07:16] <drbreen> ARGL
[07:16] <drbreen> i used ltsp-admin
[07:16] <drbreen> now do i have to rebuild everything and stuff ?
[07:16] <ogra> would make sense, yes, is that breezy or dapper ? 
[07:16] <drbreen> breezy
[07:17] <drbreen> and it just worked - shit
[07:17] <ogra> you have to decide for either ltsp implementation
[07:17] <drbreen> ok yeah i know
[07:17] <drbreen> and the ubuntu one was the one liked
[07:17] <ogra> ok
[07:18] <drbreen> so what can i do now
[07:18] <ogra> so use the command i gave above
[07:18] <drbreen> i have
[07:18] <drbreen> and how can i rebuild
[07:18] <drbreen> when everything is installed
[07:18] <ogra> ok, now do the same with ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone
[07:18] <drbreen> ok
[07:18] <ogra> then rm -rf /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[07:19] <ogra> then rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
[07:19] <ogra> then install ltsp-server-standalone again and run ltsp-build-client
[07:19] <ogra> after that adjust /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, start the dhcp server and boot a client :)
[07:21] <drbreen> thanks
[07:23] <ogra> spacey, either your nfs server is really broken, or the client tries to mount from the wrong machine ... 
[07:23] <ogra> no rocket science ...
[07:25] <spacey> well
[07:26] <spacey> at least the nfs server works for other mounts
[07:26] <ogra> do you have portmap restricted on the server in any way 
[07:26] <ogra> (hosts.allow/deny come to mind)
[07:27] <spacey> nop
[07:28] <spacey> the wierd thing is that it worked (yesterday as well).
[07:28] <spacey> and today it doesn't
[07:28] <spacey> and i can't see any relation with the upgrade we had this weekend
[07:28] <spacey> although the ltsp wiki said something about that ip fragmentation problems etc.
[07:29] <spacey> but that doesn't make sense
[07:29] <spacey> for this error
[07:29] <spacey> anyway
[07:30] <spacey> i'm go there in 15 min and poke around a bit :)
[07:36] <spacey> edgy eft
[07:36] <spacey> heh
[09:00] <highvoltage> pggt.
[09:01] <highvoltage> drupal's translation just covers the drupal words (menu's, etc), not the content. that is quite depressing.
[09:07] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: IIRC there is a way to extend that... I'll look when TT naps
[09:08] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: nice, that would be very much appreciated
[09:09] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: #drupal is convinced that you can't :(
[09:10] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: well, a friend of mine was in the process of hacking together a drupal module to add that functionality, the question is whether it's done or not
[09:10] <HedgeMage> (or if it's close enough we could finish it off for the edubuntu site)
[09:11] <highvoltage> ok
[09:14] <HedgeMage> if not, I bet we could come up with one
[09:14] <HedgeMage> I've been playing with drupal for a while and am pretty familiar with it
[09:20] <highvoltage> cook
[09:20] <highvoltage> i mean... cool.
[09:22] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:22] <AMDXP> anyone using the dapper version of Edubuntu?
[09:28] <highvoltage> AMDXP: yes, lots of people :)
[09:29] <highvoltage> AMDXP: i'm running dapper on my system, i have all of the edubuntu packages installed. something i can assist with?
[09:38] <spacey> dammit
[09:38] <HedgeMage> spacey: nice to see you, too :P
[09:39] <spacey> hi
[09:39] <spacey> this nfs server not responding error is not good for my mood
[09:39] <spacey> the client seems to get the right ip address if i look at the dhcpd logs
[09:40] <spacey> i can mount /opt/ltsp on my laptop
[09:40] <ogra> what kind of ltsp ? 
[09:42] <spacey> the classic one, so nothing to worry for you ogra;)
[09:42] <ogra> i expected that, but still, 4.1 or 4.2 ?
[09:42] <spacey> 4.1
[09:43] <ogra> hmm, thats an 2.4 kernel, right ? 
[09:43] <spacey> nope
[09:43] <spacey> 2.6.9
[09:43] <ogra> oh
[09:43] <spacey> it has both
[09:43] <ogra> sad, i know there is some discrepancy in nfs handling and framesize between 2.4 and .26
[09:43] <ogra> *2.6 too
[09:44] <ogra> but if you use 2.6 all over that cant be it
[09:44] <spacey> wierd thing is just that everything worked fine till today
[09:44] <spacey> that cracks my nuts
[09:45] <ogra> a cleaning woman that unplugged the network cable ? 
[09:46] <spacey> ogra: well in that case it wouldn't tftp either :)
[09:46] <ogra> if the plug isnt plugged in completely ? 
[09:46] <spacey> hmm
[09:47] <spacey> well at least the rest of the network traffic is no problem
[09:47] <ogra> or the NIC doesnt work in full duplex, did you check with miitool ?
[09:51] <spacey> thats wierd
[09:51] <spacey> the edubuntu server says it has 100mbit full duplex
[09:51] <spacey> but the switch says it the edubuntu server has 1000mbit
[09:52] <ogra> hmm, so its a switch configuration bug i'd guess
[09:52] <ogra> or a bug in the NIC driver
[09:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: still about?
[09:53] <ogra> is the server supposed to have gigE ?
[09:53] <spacey> yup
[09:53] <spacey> we made it gbitE this weekend
[09:53] <spacey> so it could be related
[09:53] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: yep
[09:53] <ogra> yup, you said so
[09:53] <spacey> dmesg says it 1000mbit
[09:53] <spacey> but mii-tool says 100mbit-FD
[09:54] <ogra> probably miitool is just silly
[09:54] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: talked to the person I mentioned... he abondoned the project shortly after starting it, so no go there... I still think we should be able to hack something together though
[09:54] <ogra> what happens if you patch the client to another port  ?
[09:55] <spacey> i think i should drag a client from the classroom to the switch then
[09:55] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok, thanks for checking up on that
[09:55] <spacey> since the wires here are mad
[09:55] <highvoltage> goodnight HedgeMage, ogra and spacey 
[09:55] <spacey> gn highvoltage
[09:55] <HedgeMage> np
[09:55] <HedgeMage> night night highvoltage 
[09:56] <HedgeMage> BTW, who schedules the edubuntu meetings?
[09:57] <ogra> we didnt really schedule more than once and decided it fits everyone participating ...
[09:57] <ogra> if that changed we need to rotate the schedule
[09:57] <ogra> or reschedule
[09:58] <HedgeMage> ogra: well, I can say that I'd show up if it weren't in the 4 or 6 hour window where I really really have to sleep
[09:58] <ogra> we had only east coast people here so far
[09:58] <ogra> for them its 8:00 am or something
[09:58] <ogra> we'll move the date then
[10:00] <HedgeMage> it's 4am for me :(
[10:00] <HedgeMage> yay!
[10:02] <spacey> well that didn't have any effect
[10:03] <spacey> i wonder if setting nfs to tcp would help
[10:03] <ogra> try it ? 
[10:03] <spacey> yeah
[10:03] <spacey> should be able to set it in /linuxrc
[10:03] <Burgwork> ogra, I would love it we could rotate the schedule
[10:03] <Burgwork> I am the same tz as HedgeMage (in fact, so is robitaille)
[10:04] <ogra> JaneW, will hate me for that :)
[10:04] <ogra> but since we can approve members now, we'll have to offer more TZ compatibility
[10:04] <HedgeMage> approve members?
[10:05] <ogra> yep
[10:05] <ogra> if you want an ubuntu.com mailadress or want to be a developer, the first step is to become a ubuntu member
[10:06] <ogra> we can now also make edubuntu members
[10:07] <AMDXP> well i hope to download and try out edubuntu i think this will be great for my niece
[10:08] <ogra> HedgeMage, http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[10:08] <spacey> is edubuntu and ubuntu membership seperated?
[10:08] <HedgeMage> ahh
[10:08] <ogra> spacey, nope
[10:09] <spacey> so whats the difference?:)
[10:09] <ogra> if you are a edubuntu member, you automatically become a ubuntu member
[10:09] <ogra> that the CC doesnt approve edubuntu applicants anymore
[10:09] <spacey> not through community council?
[10:09] <ogra> same for kubuntu
[10:09] <spacey> aha
[10:10] <ogra> nope, through the edubuntu "council"
[10:10] <spacey> hehe
[10:10] <ogra> (which we dont have yet)
[10:10] <HedgeMage> ogra: ahh spiffy
[10:11] <spacey> what do you have in mind for edubuntu council
[10:11] <ogra> the advantage is that you get both mail adresses as edubuntu member
[10:11] <ogra> ;)
[10:11] <ogra> ubuntu.com and edubuntu.org :)
[10:11] <spacey> yay :P
[10:11] <ogra> spacey, at least 3 people 
[10:11] <ogra> i think we'll start with jane and me and an elected community member 
[10:12] <ogra> i'd like to step back from that responsibility at some point though
[10:13] <ogra> i'll send a mail to the list so we can discuss it after the beta dust has settled around me :)
[10:18] <Bluekuja> ogra: news about the next cc meeting?
[10:18] <Bluekuja> agenda is still not updated
[10:18] <ogra> Bluekuja, why do you ask me ? 
[10:18] <ogra> i have no clue
[10:18] <Bluekuja> ogra: coz you know everything 
[10:18] <ogra> i'm not a CC member
[10:18] <Bluekuja> ahha im joking :)
[10:18] <ogra> :)
[10:19] <Bluekuja> i think that oliver can answer to an infinity of questions
[10:19] <Bluekuja> giving a great answer
[10:19] <Bluekuja> ;)
[10:25] <spacey> too bad i missed the meeting today
[10:25] <spacey> anyway i'm off home
[10:25] <spacey> time to call it a day regarding ltsp
[10:25] <spacey> bbl
[10:32] <LaserJock> ogra: so I could have 2 email addresses, how cool ;-)
[10:32] <ogra> yep
[10:33] <LaserJock> if it weren't for the time I'd be making the edubuntu meetings
[10:33] <ogra> ok, thats already two vioces 
[10:38] <mzuverink> Is there a location that has a bunch of kvtml files for the various kde apps that make up edubuntu?
[11:27] <Bluekuja> goodnight #edubuntu :)
[11:27] <HedgeMage> night night Bluekuja 
[11:32] <lucasvo> LaserJock: hi
[11:34] <lucasvo> LaserJock: ogra said you were working on making edubuntu suit a highschool/university use?
[11:35] <lucasvo> damn!
[11:35] <lucasvo> gimp crashed again
[12:03] <lns> lucasvo, I would think Edubuntu in a university would be straying a bit from Edubuntu's goals..just MHO though
[12:03] <lns> I would think straight Ubuntu/LTSP would be much better suited
[12:03] <Burgwork> the needs of a university are different but similar to those of a school
[12:03] <ogra> lns, how would you define edubuntus goals ? 
[12:03] <lns> uh oh, i pissed off the leader ;) j/k
[12:03] <lns> well
[12:03] <ogra> nope
[12:04] <lns> it says right on the site, "Linux for YOUNG human beings"
[12:04] <ogra> you didnt its an important question
[12:04] <lns> and the graphical content, themes and a bunch of applications already in Edubuntu are geared toward ages 3-9
[12:04] <ogra> that changes in dapper
[12:05] <lns> what changes?