[12:24] <kmon> Good night everyone
[12:24] <kmon> kwwii: nice to talk to you
[12:24] <kmon> bye
[12:24] <Lure> nite kmon
[12:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: pong?
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: translation is over, but I have a problem with the "panel" module
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's almost unstranslatable...
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and i was wondering why have those 3 modules been splitted from the "desktop" one ?
[12:34] <Tonio_> not that "panel" cannot be translated, but honnestly, "panel" is VERY generic... so not very user friendly...
[12:35] <Tonio_> raphink doesn't know how to handle this too
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: panel is kicker, the thing at the bottom of the screen
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: know that, but there is also animation on the cursor there in it
[12:37] <Tonio_> I have to search the good word to describe it, but french vocabulary is a bit limited there :)
[12:37] <Riddell> caused by clicking on a menu item in the k-menu on the panel
[12:37] <Riddell> not the best of links but seems the best place for it still
[12:38] <Tonio_> hum... raphink any idea on the word we can use ?
[12:38] <raphink> not really :s
[12:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that the "panel" french translation is more generic word in french than in english :)
[12:38] <Tonio_> "panneau" is unusable there to me
[12:38] <raphink> yes it's too generic 
[12:38] <Tonio_> raphink: I think you follow me on that point :)=
[12:38] <raphink> impossible to understand
[12:39] <Tonio_> that can make sense in english, but in french...........
[12:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: well how is Panel translated in KDE?
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the modules are in desktop and appearance in kcontrol at least
[12:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me search where we can find it
[12:40] <Tonio_> it is "tableau de bord" I think
[12:40] <Riddell> right click on Konqueror icon on the panel
[12:40] <Riddell> bottom menu item is "Panel Menu"
[12:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's it "tableau de bord"
[12:41] <Riddell> there you go then :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> can make sense, at least better than "panneau"
[12:41] <Tonio_> that's not perfect, but it can do the job...
[12:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: just emailing you the french po file
[12:45] <Tonio_> 2 hours spent on that little word.......
[12:47] <Tonio_> freeflying: I wouldn't say beautifull, but one of the most precise and detailled language, yes
[12:47] <Tonio_> for one english word, you can use 5 to 10 in french, depending the context, the strengh etc.......
[12:47] <Tonio_> so sometime, translating a word is really hard, cause you have many possibilities, and none of them perfectly fits....
[12:48] <Tonio_> concerning the "beauty", I prefer italian :)
[12:48] <freeflying> Tonio_:  it's also diffculty fo me 
[12:49] <Tonio_> freeflying: can you imagin we have about 50 translations to "fuck" for example :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> we have so many insults and bad words in french hehe :)
[12:50] <freeflying> Tonio_: we can speak "fuck" in chinese with about 100 words
[12:50] <Tonio_> freeflying: wow !!!!!!!!!
[12:50] <Tonio_> haha
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: translation committed
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:51] <freeflying> Tonio_: we have 30 province , each's speaking is quite differnt from others 
[12:51] <Tonio_> freeflying: isn't "mandarin" the most spoken ?
[12:52] <Tonio_> don't know if the english is chinese translation the same word
[12:52] <Lure> freeflying: that is nothing - we (Slovenia) are 2 mio people and 45 different langauge dialects ;-)
[12:52] <Riddell> Lure: that's impressive
[12:53] <Tonio_> Lure: hurg !
[12:53] <freeflying>  Lure seems we have more tha you
[12:53] <Lure> freeflying: ppl for sure ;-)
[12:53] <Tonio_> there are several dialects in french too, but not that much
[12:53] <Riddell> Lure: how many alphabets?
[12:53] <Tonio_> I would say 5 or 6, not more
[12:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't forget the Breton speakers
[12:54] <Riddell> freeflying: do all the dialects have different characters for them?
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: Breton, Basque, Corse, Provencal
[12:54] <Tonio_> I think that's all :)
[12:54] <Tonio_> raphink: another one I miss ?
[12:54] <freeflying> Riddell: some have their own , some haven't now 
[12:54] <Lure> Riddell: good thing is that official language is kind of enforced...
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: but those are not dialects, they are complete languages
[12:55] <Tonio_> not a word comming from french
[12:55] <Riddell> I bet they must have a few words from french (or even english)
[12:56] <Riddell> that's the funny thing about Gaelic, you get english words in the middle of a sentence
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: new words like informatics, yes :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> cause they are "dead" languages
[12:56] <Riddell> because they just use english words for stuff like "computer"
[12:56] <freeflying> as for dialects , there may be hundreds in china
[12:56] <Lure> Riddell: probably - same here - lots of Italian, German, Hungian and Croatioan influence
[12:56] <Tonio_> but concerning the base, those languages are not french derivatives
[12:57] <Tonio_> raphink: come on, that discussion is for you ;)
[12:57] <Tonio_> raphink speaks about 10 languages for info :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> he is quite impressive
[12:57] <Lure> raphink: nice!
[12:58] <Riddell> ok everyone, jesse wants the top 10 bugs fixed during this release
[12:58] <crimsun> where are the top 10 listed?
[12:58] <Lure> Riddell: finish kdeprint and we have one for all 10 places ;-)
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: i'm okay to help as much as my poor coding skills allows me ;)
[12:58] <Riddell> crimsun: it isn't we need to make it
[12:59] <Lure> Tonio_: he is looking for already fixed one
[12:59] <Tonio_> Lure: who ? I don't understand :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhh
[12:59] <Tonio_> okay
[01:00] <Lure> Tonio_: he would like to announce top 10 bugs fixed in Beta
[01:00] <Tonio_> jjesse want the list of big bugs that have been resolved :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> okay, that wasn't clear to me
[01:00] <Tonio_> in the time between flight6 and beta ?
[01:01] <Tonio_> Lure: I would say kaffeine dealing with kio protocols correctly
[01:01] <Tonio_> that's a big trick, since lots of people were complaining on that point
[01:01] <Lure> Tonio_: for sure in top-10
[01:02] <Tonio_> Lure: shouldn't be that hard in fact, as long it is not gtk apps ;)
[01:02] <Lure> I think adept crashes were also on top of complaints in previous flights
[01:03] <Lure> and Display applet not starting
[01:03] <Riddell> freeflying: this control space shortcut in skim really gets in the way for us emacs users :)
[01:03] <Tonio_> Lure: k3bsetup now working
[01:03] <Lure> Riddell: switch to vim ;-)
[01:03] <freeflying> Riddell: you can alternate it to Shit space 
[01:04] <Lure> Riddell: there is also Ctrl-Shift-Space for Kerry
[01:04] <raphink> what's happening?
[01:05] <Tonio_> in fact there hasn't been that much bugfixing in beta, but more polishing....
[01:05] <Tonio_> raphink: jjesse wants the top10 bugs fixed in beta
[01:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: I do feel bad about that, blame espresso mostly
[01:05] <raphink> ok
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not a problem :) we will bugfix after beta :)
[01:06] <raphink> we surely have to focus on bugs now
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: the target isn't beta, but final release in june
[01:06] <raphink> we still have 2 months to bugfix
[01:06] <Riddell> I still have lots of espresso stuff to be done
[01:07] <raphink> Riddell: dev of debug?
[01:07] <Riddell> but hopefully not all my time
[01:07] <Tonio_> I wish I could bugfix more, but I'm limited on that point
[01:07] <Lure> raphink: less than 1.5 month
[01:07] <freeflying> 626 assigned to kubuntu team
[01:07] <raphink> Lure: hmm right
[01:07] <Riddell> raphink: fixing qt parted, and the map widget being the big ones
[01:07] <raphink> Lure: goes fast
[01:07] <Tonio_> I feel more comfortable in defining kde settings :)
[01:07] <raphink> Tonio_: and you do great at that :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> raphink: at least I'm trying :)
[01:08] <raphink> sure
[01:08] <Lure> Tonio_: lots of bugs to triage...
[01:08] <raphink> you got to be a specialist in KDE settings ;)
[01:08] <Lure> not just fix
[01:08] <Tonio_> Lure: that's true
[01:08] <raphink> Lure: triaging is already a good way in
[01:08] <raphink> many bugs just have to be triaged
[01:09] <raphink> since they are duplicate/already fixed/to be rejected
[01:09] <Tonio_> Lure: for the top10 : gtk_qt_engines now replaces gnomes icons by kde ones
[01:09] <Tonio_> was done about flight5 I think
[01:09] <Lure> Tonio_: true - this is why GNOME people complain now ;-)
[01:09] <Tonio_> flight4 maybe....
[01:10] <Tonio_> Lure: why do they ? that's a nice feature, really :)
[01:10] <Riddell> I think gnome people complain because startkde creates a .gtk-2 that changes their theme to gtk-qt engine
[01:10] <raphink> huhu
[01:10] <Lure> some use gnome and kde login and it makes their gnome session ugly
[01:10] <raphink> they don't have to install kde then :p
[01:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: we need to look at a way to stop that happening if someone has already run gnome
[01:11] <raphink> ok
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: that doesn't happen
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: the .gtk-2 is created "when it doesn't exist" only
[01:11] <Tonio_> that means if you already have gnome and then install kde, no pb
[01:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: I suspect gnome doesn't create that file by default
[01:11] <Tonio_> if you install gnome after kde is already installed, tou will have the issue
[01:11] <Lure> Riddell: exactly
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: at least I've had more than one person saying that running KDE once means gtk-qt takes over their system
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum... makes sense yes
[01:12] <Riddell> but there must be some other file gnome makes that we can test for
[01:12] <raphink> there surely is a ~/.* created by gnome by default somewhere
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will have a loo at that this week
[01:12] <Lure> bug 36256
[01:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36256 in gtk-qt-engine gtk2-engines-gtk-qt "gtk2-engines-gtk-qt causes GNOME-panel to crash upon startup and causes Gnome to look ugly" [Critical,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36256
[01:13] <Riddell> I've never been able to recreate that crash
[01:13] <raphink> how about .gnome and .gnome2 ?
[01:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't think this file is the problem
[01:14] <Tonio_> I better think the qt bindings are the issue no ?
[01:14] <Lure> Tonio_: see last post - removing this file helps
[01:14] <Tonio_> I mean, this file only defines a theme, nothing more
[01:14] <Tonio_> Lure: hum.......
[01:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: qt bindings?
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: bad translation, forget this :)
[01:16] <Tonio_> the problem is how can we make sure gtk_qt_engines applies only when the desktop in use is kde ?
[01:16] <Tonio_> except modifying the code deeply, I don't figure out how can that be configured......
[01:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't think we can, but there must be a way to stop our .gtk2 file being created if the person has already run gnome
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's possible via startkde
[01:17] <Lure> Riddell: but then people will not switch to KDE if they still see gtk aps ugly (Firefox)....
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can check if a package like ubuntu-desktop is installed for example
[01:17] <Tonio_> if the package is installed, then launching kde will not recreate that file
[01:18] <Tonio_> if it is not, then the user doesn't have gnome, and the file is created
[01:18] <Tonio_> that makes sense
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: will code that tomorrow and send you a patch for startkde
[01:18] <Lure> when is this file read - just on login? Can we create it on login and remove immediately after? (dirty hack, I know)
[01:19] <Riddell> Lure: yuck
[01:19] <Lure> if we leave it until logout it may be too late
[01:19] <Tonio_> Lure: the problem is that this file is also created by gnome when you configure your appearance settings
[01:19] <Tonio_> then launching kde would kill your gnome parameters when logging out
[01:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: then there's also xubuntu and edubuntu
[01:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: but we could just check for if gnome-session exists maybe
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: which package to look at ? ubuntu-desktop or gnome ?
[01:20] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure really - people complain that GNOME tools do not change it
[01:20] <Tonio_> probably gnome is better no ?
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[01:20] <Lure> Tonio_: why do you not check ~/.gnome2 existance
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: gnome-session ? isn't that file potentially existing even if gnome has been removed ?
[01:21] <Lure> maybe you have users that did not login yet in gnome
[01:21] <Tonio_> I think package installation looking is the cleanest way, just my personnal opinion
[01:21] <kwwii> night all
[01:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't use dpkg, too slow
[01:22] <Riddell> check if gnome-sessions-thing exists
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: whereis gnome-desktop
[01:22] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:22] <Riddell> hmm, but then we take over xubuntu too
[01:22] <Lure> or gdm?
[01:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: whereis xfce, could do the job
[01:22] <Tonio_> fast and easy to use
[01:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning xubuntu, I can "whereis startxfce4"
[01:24] <Tonio_> would work
[01:24] <Riddell> night Lure 
[01:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: or just check the existance of /usr/bin/startxfce4 and /usr/bin/gnome-session-thing
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: better yes ;)
[01:25] <Tonio_> if one of those exist, do not copy the gtk_qt file
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: you will have the patch tomorrow
[01:26] <Riddell> groovy
[01:26] <Riddell> ok, bed
[01:26] <Tonio_> nite Riddell
[01:26] <Riddell> bon nuit
[01:27] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:27] <_superstoned> WHY does ubuntu-desktop depend on a braille reader for the commandline?!?!? 
[11:27] <_superstoned> that sucks...
[11:31] <OdyX> In the same theme: why does adept depends on libgtk2.0 (indirectly) ?
[11:31] <OdyX> s/adept/kubuntu-desktop
[11:31] <Riddell> _superstoned: for accessibility, is it a problem?
[11:32] <Riddell> OdyX: scim brings it in, I plan to change it after beta
[11:32] <OdyX> Riddell: OK...
[11:32] <Lathiat> oh noes kde depends on gtk, the world is on fire :)
[11:32] <mornfall> oooh, libgtk2.0 on my system, SACRILEGE
[11:33] <OdyX> mornfall: :D
[11:33] <OdyX> mornfall: try to remove it....
[11:33] <_superstoned> riddell: its not a problem, but i don't understand why ubuntu-desktop depends on it. and further, it gets started. i also wonder if kubuntu-desktop should depend on it, too (ubuntu does, and after all it has nothing to do with a graphical desktop anyway)
[11:34] <mornfall> OdyX: nah, i need my freeciv-client
[11:34] <OdyX> mornfall: OK :D
[11:34] <mornfall> OdyX: (that's about why i need gtk, no other apps)
[11:35] <OdyX> mornfall: and I need my thoggen :D
[11:35] <mornfall> ah, well, mplayer
[11:35] <OdyX> mplayer .... well.. kaffeine roxxes sufficiently, huh ?
[11:35] <mornfall> kaffeine? oh my no
[11:36] <OdyX> mornfall: what's the matter ?
[11:36] <_superstoned> btw tried gnome for some time. looks lovely (said that, yes) but is much slower in redraw, faster in startup (slightly), slower in app startup, looks better (did i say that?), has a much cleaner interface for some config things, has some config things KDE misses, and misses some things KDE has. hard do say if it's better or worse, until i discovered their best music player (quod libet) can't come close to amarok, and they do
[11:36] <_superstoned>  i tried to change colors - and after that, to kill myself. in other words, don't try to change ANYTHING on a gnome system, or you'll get frustrated. they know what is good for you, don't pretend to have some ideas about what YOU like, yourself.
[11:36] <_superstoned> sorry :D
[11:36] <OdyX> or kmplayer ?
[11:36] <mornfall> OdyX: what about mplayer cli :)
[11:36] <mornfall> gui movie players suck
[11:36] <OdyX> cli ?
[11:37] <mornfall> cli = command line interface
[11:37] <_superstoned> try codeine, is cool
[11:37] <OdyX> mornfall: you tried caca ?
[11:37] <_superstoned> tough kaffeine got better
[11:37] <mornfall> caca?
[11:37] <_superstoned> or vlc
[11:37] <OdyX> mplayer -vo caca
[11:37] <OdyX> mornfall: with a video, in tty...
[11:37] <mornfall> vlc the thing that crashes all the time?
[11:38] <mornfall> OdyX: oh, color aa!
[11:38] <mornfall> OdyX: i only know aalib :)
[11:38] <OdyX> mornfall: pretty cool/geek, huh ?
[11:39] <mornfall> that's so cool :))
[11:39] <_superstoned> mornfall: does it? haven't seen it crash, but i just started to use it recently, when i found out it was the only decent video player for windows that is acutally installable ;-)
[11:39] <_superstoned> actualy
[11:39] <_superstoned> wow
[11:39] <_superstoned>  that's hard
[11:39] <mornfall> i don't use windows
[11:39] <_superstoned> actually
[11:39] <_superstoned> me neither
[11:40] <_superstoned> needed it for my little brother
[11:40] <mornfall> hmm, gotta escape this lecture methinks
[11:40] <mornfall> laters :)
[11:40] <_superstoned> he wanted to watch some movie
[11:40] <_superstoned> laterz
[11:45] <hendry> i just ran `espresso` from kubuntu live and it cam up with a 'gtkui' mobule object not found. is there a Kde version i can try?
[11:46] <OdyX> espresso kde-gui
[11:46] <OdyX> I believe
[11:50] <Riddell> hendry: yes
[11:50] <Riddell> hendry: `kdesu espresso kde-ui`
[12:09] <Tm_T> hm
[12:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: what's the fuzz about "problem child" lilo mentioned? seen it in any KDE/*Ubuntu channel?
[12:09] <hendry> Riddell: it asked a bunch of questions and quit on the last stage. that normal?
[12:10] <hendry> RE kde-ui espresso
[12:10] <Riddell> Tm_T: never heard of it
[12:10] <Riddell> hendry: what questions?
[12:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: me neither, just wondered
[12:11] <hendry> Riddell: the installation questions from espresso
[12:12] <Riddell> hendry: so it gets to "Ready to Install" then crashes?
[12:13] <hendry> Riddell: yes. "Failed to open device"
[12:17] <Riddell> hendry: do you have a copy of /var/log/installer/espresso?
[12:17] <hendry> Riddell: multitasking
[12:18] <hendry> Riddell: i can mail it to you?
[12:18] <Riddell> hendry: please, jriddell@ubuntu.com
[12:19] <mornfall> *yawn*
[12:19] <hendry> Riddell: get it?
[12:20] <Riddell> "AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'set_text'"  doh
[12:21] <Riddell> yeah, thanks hendry 
[12:21] <Riddell> mornfall: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/667407  got quick answers to these?
[12:24] <Tm_T> hum, anyone noticed Kmail multiplying mails in imap account?
[12:24] <Riddell> nope
[12:25] <Tm_T> ...annoying
[12:25] <\sh> just patched knetworkmanager to not spam my desktop with "new network found" "network disappeared"..anyone interested?
[12:25] <Riddell> \sh: sure
[12:25] <Tm_T> I'll drop Kontact/Kmail from use a while and see if it happens with some other client
[12:26] <\sh> Riddell: preparing the patch ... my network connection is just a bit flacky...
[12:26] <\sh> it's configurable...so you can switch it on/off as you wish :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> haha, removed duplicates using pine: " Kept 201 messages and removed 1777. "
[12:28] <Tm_T> oh well
[12:34] <OdyX> Somebody using Ktorrent 1.2 here ?
[12:40] <Tm_T> OdyX: I think yes
[12:42] <OdyX> Tm_T: could you confirm (= take a look) on bug 40141 ?
[12:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40141 in ktorrent "Opens one thread per file even if not used" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40141
[12:42] <Tm_T> hm?
[12:42] <Tm_T> thread?
[12:43] <Tm_T> OdyX: whoops,sorry, KTorrent: 1.3dev
[12:43] <Tm_T> I forgot I take that too from svn
[12:43] <OdyX> Tm_T: that's it... I don't know how to name it... I'm not "in it"... but the fact is ktorrent 1.2 reaches it maximum at 1024 files as ktorrent 1.1 could a lot more.
[12:58] <mornfall> Riddell: looking
[12:58] <mornfall> Riddell: what smaller screens?
[12:58] <mornfall> Riddell: it fits 800px wide screen nicely
[12:58] <mornfall> with reasonable font
[12:58] <mornfall> remaining time, well, umm
[12:59] <mornfall> it is surely useful, but sort of clutters the interface, so dunnow
[01:06] <mornfall> Riddell: do you really think 640x480 should be supported?
[01:06] <Riddell> no, KDE assumes 800x600
[01:06] <Riddell> so it's not a problem, I just needed something to reply with
[01:21] <Tm_T> kde bug 125875
[01:21] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125875 in History Plugin "Incorrect name of contact in titlebar" [Normal,New]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125875
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: the bot attacks, from earlier?
[01:23] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: yes
[01:23] <OdyX> Tm_T got it.
[01:23] <Tm_T> I haven't noticed anything
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: dunno who that is, but they keep getting klined...
[01:24] <Hobbsee> it's then that i'm reminded that konversation needs better scripting!
[01:24] <OdyX> Hobbsee: yep ..
[01:24] <Hobbsee> well, that we need a better lot of scripts for konversation, anyway
[01:24] <mornfall> scripting? what's that :)
[01:24] <Tm_T> mornfall: :p
[01:24] <mornfall> you mean like irssi, a programming language with builtin irc client? :] 
[01:25] <Hobbsee> OdyX: what language is the guy in #kubuntu talking in, and do you plan to tell him to go to another channel of that language?
[01:25] <mornfall> or emacs
[01:25] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:25] <Tm_T> mornfall: =)
[01:25] <mornfall> emacs is the best example
[01:25] <mornfall> programming language with builtin editor
[01:26] <OdyX> Hobbsee: this is spanish and I said he'd feel better in *-es's channels
[01:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> OdyX: beyond it being about xgl and kubuntu, i wouldnt have a clue what's being said :P
[01:27] <mornfall> xgl
[01:27] <mornfall> oh my dear
[01:27] <OdyX> Hobbsee: no worry... I have the situation under control.. :D
[01:27] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe yeah it seems like that!
[01:27] <OdyX> but no control on XGL..
[01:28] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[01:28] <mornfall> curiosity is a curse
[01:28] <Hobbsee> heh...true
[02:01] <raphink> anyone can confirm this ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/40152
[02:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40152 in kdenetwork "korganizer crashes with sig 11 on creating a new event" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:02] <OdyXydO> raphink: I saw that one before... 
[02:02] <raphink> ok
[02:02] <raphink> just found the kde report
[02:03] <OdyXydO> I think it's duplicated
[02:03] <raphink> on malone?
[02:03] <raphink> I haven't seen it
[02:03] <OdyXydO> Yep
[02:03] <Hobbsee> raphink: why isnt that in kdepim?
[02:03] <raphink> oh right Hobbsee
[02:03] <raphink> hehe
[02:03] <Hobbsee> thta should not be in kdenetwork...
[02:03] <OdyXydO> bug 39419
[02:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39419 in kdepim korganizer "korganizer krashes when creating event" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39419
[02:04] <raphink> there
[02:04] <raphink> thanks OdyXydO
[02:04] <OdyXydO> marked as duplicate
[02:04] <raphink> thanks
[02:06] <raphink> it's not ubuntu specific it seems
[02:06] <raphink> guys get it on bsd
[02:06] <Hobbsee> upstream then?
[02:06] <OdyXydO> raphink: well :-$
[02:07] <OdyXydO> raphink: I just tested now, I don't have it anymore.
[02:07] <raphink> really??
[02:07] <OdyXydO> nope... just had it again
[02:07] <raphink> haha ok ;)
[02:08] <raphink> did you notice that selecting  a new task before creating a new event fixes it?
[02:08] <OdyXydO> No
[02:08] <OdyXydO> Now yes.
[02:08] <raphink> :)
[02:09] <raphink> this is a pretty bad one :s
[02:10] <OdyXydO> I see :D
[02:10] <raphink> this bug has been around for about a month :(
[02:10] <raphink> time to get on #kde :)
[02:10] <raphink> toma_: are you there?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> is there a simple fix to this?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/16269  Ie, will just uncommenting the file work, or do we need to do more?  i've got a guy reproducing this now, on kde 3.5.1
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 16269 in kdenetwork kppp "KPPP fails to connect." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:14] <raphink> Hobbsee: seems to me the best would be to ask for this using debconf
[02:14] <raphink> unless there's no secondary effects in activating it by default
[02:14] <Hobbsee> that's what i dont know about, which is why i asked.
[02:15] <verwilst> hi kwwii
[02:15] <verwilst> any luck on polyester 0.9? :)
[02:16] <kwwii> verwilst: hi...that reminds me to reboot :-)
[02:16] <kwwii> brb
[02:16] <raphink> hi kwwii
[02:17] <verwilst> uh ? :p
[02:17] <verwilst> reboot for polyester?
[02:17] <verwilst> this ain't windows man, you don't need to reboot for every setting you change ;)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: i'll try to remember to ask Riddell about it...
[02:19] <raphink> Hobbsee: ok
[02:20] <kwwii> verwilst: do you know where I can find a ppc package for polyester?
[02:21] <verwilst> ppc?
[02:21] <verwilst> i don't even know where to find an x86 one :)
[02:21] <verwilst> http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/27968-1.jpg
[02:21] <verwilst> hm hm hm
[02:21] <kwwii> hehe, I have an x86 deb
[02:21] <raphink> kwwii: do you want me to build it?
[02:22] <kwwii> raphink: guess I can build it too :-)
[02:22] <\sh> oh guys, I just read the CC meeting logs from yesterday
[02:22] <verwilst> 0.9 eh?
[02:22] <raphink> kwwii: I guess so
[02:22] <Riddell> kde-style-polyester is in universe
[02:22] <verwilst> yes
[02:22] <verwilst> but an ooooooold
[02:22] <verwilst> version
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you have some time on you?  i've got some feedback on one of the kppp bugs...
[02:24] <Riddell> no time sorry
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping me when you have some time?
[02:24] <Riddell> ok
[02:24] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[02:26] <\sh> what I have to do with kubuntu.de, i just posted the letter of the kubuntu.de team
[02:26] <raphink> I \sh
[02:26] <raphink> hi
[02:27] <kwwii> verwilst: while I like the 3d effets on the widgets it does not really fit well with the buttons I made for the window deco
[02:28] <\sh> hey raphink
[02:30] <kwwii> verwilst: whereas lipstick is really simple
[02:32] <verwilst> but ugly :$
[02:32] <verwilst> lipstick is an ugly version of plastik:$
[02:32] <kwwii> butt-ugly or but, ugly ? :-))
[02:33] <verwilst> a little of column A, and a little of column B
[02:33] <verwilst> ;)
[02:34] <verwilst> the polyester windeco is pretty nice too though
[02:34] <Hobbsee> kwwii: got a screenie of the stuff you made?
[02:37] <kwwii> one second, telephone
[02:52] <kwwii> Hobbsee: bootsplash.org/screen_1.jpg and screen_2.jpg
[02:53] <kwwii> oops, you can see that I am using the oxygen icons - don't spread that around :-)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii: so they're the new oxygen icons hey?  interesitng.
[02:56] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yepp, that is what they look like, although several of the icons shown there are crystal icons (the hard disk, for example)
[02:56] <kwwii> I just finished the oxygen hard disk icon last night
[02:57] <Hobbsee> are the konq ones (the black ones, forgotten their name) part of the new oxygen icons?
[02:57] <kwwii> they are an attempt to make a black and white oxygen set as well
[02:57] <kwwii> but I am not really happy with that yet
[02:58] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[02:59] <kwwii> oh, we have "normal" action icons too :-) 
[02:59] <Hobbsee> oh goody :D
[03:00] <marseillai_> hi Hobbsee & kwwii 
[03:00] <OdyX> hi marseillai_
[03:00] <Hobbsee> hi marseillai_ 
[03:00] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: [22:52]  <kwwii> Hobbsee: bootsplash.org/screen_1.jpg and screen_2.jpg if you didnt already see them
[03:00] <marseillai_> re OdyX 
[03:00] <OdyX> kwwii: the borders are lot too bold I feel.
[03:02] <OdyX> OK. Gon' eat.
[03:02] <kwwii> the borders? not sure I understand
[03:03] <kwwii> enjoy your meal :-)
[03:06] <OdyXydO> kwwii: left, right and down blue borders
[03:06] <OdyXydO> kwwii: OK. I'm running to go and hide.
[03:06] <kwwii> OdyXydO: you mean the window deco frame?
[03:06] <OdyXydO> kwwii: yep
[03:06] <OdyXydO> therefor, I'm hiding deep.
[03:06] <kwwii> ahhh, yes, it is kinda big
[03:06] <kwwii> guess we couuld make it a bit thinner
[03:07] <OdyXydO> kwwii: or configurable..
[03:07] <kwwii> OdyXydO: it is configurable
[03:07] <OdyXydO> kwwii: OK. Fine then :D
[03:07] <jjesse> anyone else running evolution connected to an exchange server?
[03:08] <kwwii> it is set to 5 now, but 4 looks better (3 is too thin, I think)
[03:15] <\sh> Riddell: send you the knetwork manager patch
[03:15] <freeflying> Riddell: ping
[03:15] <kwwii> brb (hopefully)
[03:32] <kwwii> well, that didn't work
[03:33] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:33] <kwwii> time for a snack :-)
[03:46] <OdyX> Is anyone able to decypher mails with Kmail WITHOUT gpg-agent (natively) ?
[03:46] <OdyX> I hardly can't.
[04:08] <OdyX> Is that still relevant in Kubuntu? It is for me:
[04:08] <OdyX> kde bug 92619
[04:08] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 92619 in encryption "KMail cannot view encrypted emails if gpg-agent is not running" [Normal,Reopened]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92619
[04:15] <\sh> gpg agent is not running here, and I can read gpg encrypted mails
[04:16] <OdyX> \sh: so why can't I ...
[04:16] <OdyX> ?
[04:19] <\sh> check your gpg.conf in ~/.gnupg if there is a gpg-agent enabled
[04:19] <\sh> if so, disable
[04:19] <OdyX> it is not
[04:20] <\sh> check via set the environment vars...if there is one set
[04:22] <OdyX> means ?
[04:23] <_superstoned> now, is polyester goin' to be the style for KubuntuDapperBeta? i'd love to show it in the screenshots on the wiki. also, i rounded the top corners of the windowdecoration.
[04:23] <_superstoned> anyone an idea if polyester should be there or not?
[04:23] <_superstoned> jjesse?
[04:23] <_superstoned> and the rounded top corners?
[04:24] <OdyX> _superstoned: can we "pre-test" it ? package ?
[04:24] <kwwii> _superstoned: as both style and windowo deco?
[04:25] <kwwii> erm, the window deco definitely not
[04:25] <kwwii> it has major bugs on ppc
[04:28] <kwwii> and I am against using a style which has colored widgets (like the scrollbar)
[04:28] <_superstoned> you can turn it off.
[04:28] <_superstoned> check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta in 1 minute
[04:28] <_superstoned> to see a screenshot
[04:28] <_superstoned> how it currently is
[04:29] <_superstoned> (with just 3 tweaks)
[04:29] <jjesse> _superstoned: awesome thanks :)
[04:31] <kwwii> night
[04:31] <OdyX> 'night Hobbsee
[04:32] <kwwii> http://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screen33ks.jpg
[04:32] <kwwii> that is how it looks on my mac
[04:32] <_superstoned> sorry i can't change that wiki page, so: http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emptydesktop9dd.png
[04:32] <Hobbsee> eep!
[04:32] <Hobbsee> someone needs to go thru and grammar check that page - i can probably do that tomorrow
[04:33] <OdyX> _superstoned: The grey line in menu could be of a lighter grey...
[04:33] <Tm_T> hmm hmm
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hi sredna 
[04:34] <Tm_T> I'm not sure should I switch to full-wide windeco or not
[04:34] <Riddell> freeflying: pong
[04:34] <_superstoned> i use crystal as windowdecoration (don't like polyester as windec, love the new buttons in crystal) and polyester as style, with the settings 'draw statusbar frame' off, animate progress bars, triangular tree expander, highlight focussed text input fields on and colored scrollbars off.
[04:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what page?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: um, the one just mentioned, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta
[04:34] <Hobbsee> spell checker too
[04:34] <freeflying> Riddell: some issue about casper , can it be fix before beta , or I file a bug 
[04:34] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i'll do it as i work on it :)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: oh ok, cool.  kubuntu is spelt wrong in one instance, among other things :P
[04:35] <_superstoned> OdyX yeah, don't like it either
[04:35] <kwwii> _superstoned: well, at least it looks nice in the screenshot :-)
[04:35] <Riddell> freeflying: unlikely.  what's the problem?
[04:35] <_superstoned> but i didn't change the colors.
[04:35] <_superstoned> kwwii: yeah, it does.
[04:35] <OdyX> _superstoned: the line is cool (or could be considered as) but should be lighter.
[04:35] <freeflying> Riddell: when boot up livecd with debian-installer=locale=zh_CN , it will generate zh_CN.GB18030 ,but utf shall be the default 
[04:36] <_superstoned> OdyX: i turned it off for myself...
[04:36] <_superstoned> (screenshot comes from a new user)
[04:36] <freeflying> s/debian-installer=locale=zh_CN/debian-installer/locale=zh_CN
[04:36] <OdyX> _superstoned: so.. turn it off defaultly..
[04:36] <Riddell> freeflying: that won't be a showstopped for beta.  report a bug and it should get looked at
[04:36] <freeflying> Riddell: okey
[04:37] <_superstoned> OdyX i can't change anything in Kubuntu, guess Riddell has to like it :D
[04:38] <OdyX> _superstoned: OK :D
[04:38] <jjesse> is there a reason that i don't see a screenshot?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> _superstoned: then again, large baseball bats tend to make people do whatever you like :P
[04:38] <_superstoned> http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emptydesktop9dd.png
[04:38] <_superstoned> should work
[04:38] <_superstoned> Hobbsee: yeah, but mine isn't big enough to reach Riddell
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <Hobbsee> crud.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> _superstoned: good luck, hehe
[04:39] <_superstoned> LOL
[04:39] <_superstoned> yeah
[04:39] <Hobbsee> it's not even 1am, what's she whinging for?
[04:39] <_superstoned> jjesse does it work there?
[04:39] <_superstoned> i didn't know where to put it to show it on the wiki
[04:39] <_superstoned> :)
[04:46] <jjesse> _superstoned: checkout how DapperBeta does it
[04:46] <_superstoned> i did
[04:46] <_superstoned> they put the picutures in the folder where the iso's are
[04:46] <_superstoned> i can't get there, have no access
[04:46] <_superstoned> some other suggestions for polyester: turn off 'draw toolbar seperator' and 'draw toolbar item seperator', turn on button animation
[04:46] <_superstoned> these seperators make stuff look crowded
[04:47] <_superstoned> we don't want that, do we :D
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: espresso will crash in today's livecd , no crash message given
[04:47] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, fixing
[04:47] <Riddell> freeflying: what's at the end of /var/log/espresso/installer ?
[04:47] <freeflying> Riddell: sorry, forgot this , :)
[04:48] <_superstoned> Riddell: sorry to bother, but who must i talk to, to get changes in the default look&feel of Kubuntu? i think http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emptydesktop9dd.png is a start for a better look...
[04:48] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it'll be the crash I already fixed
[04:48] <freeflying> Riddell: I've tested for recently livecd , all crash
[04:49] <Riddell> _superstoned: me, and I don't want to change the artwork for dapper signicantly, after dapper we can look at it again
[04:49] <Riddell> freeflying: I've not uploaded yet, beta candidates should be available in a few hours with any luck
[04:51] <freeflying> Riddell: when select timezone , the chinese fonts can not be displayed correctly
[04:52] <Riddell> freeflying: what's wrong with them?
[04:52] <freeflying> Riddell: haven't got it yet , let me show you the screenshots
[04:54] <jjesse> _superstoned: to upload the screenshot just go to more actions attachements
[04:55] <freeflying> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12547
[04:57] <jjesse> _superstoned: more help can be found at wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnActions
[05:05] <Riddell> freeflying: strange, I'll try and look into it (after beta)
[05:06] <freeflying> Riddell: seems our beta livecd with bugs , heh
[05:08] <sredna> Hello 
[05:13] <Riddell> jjesse: did you see my replies on kubuntu-devel?
[05:15] <freeflying> Riddell: why zeroconf has not depend on avahi-daemon
[05:15] <Riddell> freeflying: the package "zeroconf" is unrelated to avahi
[05:16] <Riddell> "zeroconf" package does auto-i, avahi does dnssd
[05:16] <Riddell> auto-ip
[05:16] <freeflying> Riddell: but zeroconf need avahi-daemon for runing 
[05:17] <Riddell> zeroconf the general term for "making local networking easy" does, but the "zeroconf" package is only auto-ip which is just one part of the big zeroconf picture
[05:18] <Riddell> and doesn't in itself need avahi/dnssd
[05:19] <freeflying> Riddell: then we'd have guide for guys wanna use zeroconf to install avahi-daemon
[05:19] <jjesse> Riddell: yes i did
[05:19] <jjesse> freeflying: would that be something that needs to be included in the release notes then? or the deksopt guide?
[05:20] <freeflying> jjesse: maybe the desktop guide
[05:42] <kwwii> http://img425.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptnotify10ex.png
[05:42] <kwwii> the first try
[05:46] <kwwii> http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptnotify29mj.png
[05:46] <kwwii> the second
[05:48] <OdyX> kwwii: whatfor is that intended ?
[05:48] <OdyX> kwwii: for adept-notifier ?
[05:48] <kwwii> yes
[05:48] <OdyX> I vote second try.
[05:48] <kwwii> cool :-)
[05:49] <Riddell> kwwii: nice, but how do they look at 22?
[05:51] <kwwii> Riddell: the svg is small, so the only real hard part is making the adept package itself look ok at that size
[05:53] <OdyX> Any idea why archive.ubuntu.com doesn't answer ?
[05:53] <kwwii> Riddell: http://img424.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptnotify39xu.png
[05:53] <kwwii> I did not touch that up yet per hand, it is raw from the svg
[05:53] <Riddell> OdyX: data centre is down for 10 minuts
[05:54] <OdyX> Riddell: Good to know. Thanks
[05:54] <Riddell> kwwii: groovy, although I perferred the second with triangle at the bottom
[05:55] <mornfall> i officially hate imageshac
[05:55] <mornfall> k
[05:55] <OdyX> mornfall: tsss... Adblock, CSS and JavaScript blockers make it seem acceptable.
[05:56] <mornfall> OdyX: adblock how? they use same domain for both content and ads
[05:56] <OdyX> mornfall: try that list: http://adblock.free.fr/adblock.txt
[05:57] <mornfall> umm
[05:57] <mornfall> i guess i'll just ignore it instead
[05:57] <mornfall> lot less of work
[05:57] <OdyX> tsss. Takes 10 seconds. :D
[05:57] <mornfall> it's not going to work
[05:59] <OdyX> mornfall: maybe it's my personal CSS: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/669485
[06:00] <mornfall> give me a good reason to not ignore it instead and i will look
[06:00] <OdyX> mornfall: ignore the ads? My only reason is less visual agression. Make it as you want.
[06:00] <mornfall> OdyX: ignore the site
[06:01] <OdyX> mornfall: Well... There's no reason, the only thing is you cannot look the fantastic icons of kwwii...
[06:02] <OdyX> kwwii: right-click on image and paste the link of the image, instead of the page :D
[06:02] <kwwii> I like using it because it is easier than putting it all on this stuff on my webserver and then erasing it later :-)
[06:02] <kwwii> OdyX: good idea
[06:02] <mornfall> OdyX: it's not like me looking would help anything
[06:02] <OdyX> mornfall: OK... forget it.
[06:08] <kwwii> http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=adeptnotify46xm.png
[06:09] <kwwii> that is the last one, for now
[06:09] <kwwii> erm sorry: http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6519/adeptnotify46xm.png
[06:09] <kwwii> for those who hate adds
[06:11] <OdyX> ;-)
[06:11] <Riddell> perfect
[06:12] <OdyX> Almost...
[06:12] <OdyX> :D
[06:12] <OdyX> I would better see a "constant" red...
[06:12] <OdyX> on the sides of the triangle
[06:13] <OdyX> instead of having this (funny though) white shadow on the top
[06:13] <Riddell> OdyX: that's the crystal shine
[06:14] <Riddell> that's vital for KDE bling qualification
[06:14] <OdyX> Riddell: bling ?
[06:15] <mornfall> wth is bling
[06:16] <Riddell> bling is shiny and bright
[06:16] <Riddell> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bling
[06:17] <OdyX> and this HAS to be ?
[06:18] <Riddell> by orders of sabdfl
[06:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: i accidently uploaded kubuntu-artwork-kbfx to ubuntu, sorry :(
[06:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: you're fired!
[06:18] <jpatrick> :(
[06:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: not really, come back!
[06:18] <jpatrick> was meant to go to REVU
[06:18] <Riddell> jpatrick: what was changed?
[06:19] <jpatrick> in 1.1 upload?
[06:26] <MidMark> Hi to all
[06:27] <jpatrick> Hi MidMark
[06:27] <MidMark> why Krusader won't be included in kubuntu 6.06? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKrusader
[06:27] <MidMark> none haven't talked after end of 2005
[06:31] <Riddell> MidMark: we already have a file manager in kubuntu
[06:31] <MidMark> which? Konqueror?
[06:31] <Riddell> hello ^^MAg^^ 
[06:31] <Riddell> MidMark: yes
[06:31] <Riddell> Krusader also needed user setup on first run
[06:32] <MidMark> Riddell: Konqueror is far years than krusader that it is a twin panel and not a single panel fm
[06:32] <jpatrick> unless we can have some nice settings in k-d-s
[06:32] <^^MAg^^> hi
[06:34] <cmvo> _superstoned: I'm trying to recreate the look in your emptydesktop9dd example. What did you use? Polyester for style and Crystal for win deco?
[06:37] <jpatrick> hi Lure
[06:37] <Lure> hi jpatrick
[06:37] <jpatrick> did you get membership yesterday?
[06:38] <Lure> jpatrick: no - not enough CoC members for vote 
[06:38] <jpatrick> :( I had that too
[06:39] <Lure> no urgency - I applied anyway because Tonio_ has pushed me
[06:39] <Lure> ;-
[06:48] <MidMark> riddell: why is so important to not need user settings at first start?
[06:50] <Riddell> I have about a dozen programmes running just now, if I had to set them all up before I started using them that would be a serious pain
[06:51] <MidMark> riddell: for me it is also ok not include it in main, but it is very unmainteined the package for kubuntu
[06:53] <MidMark> also I read: "Solution for no user setup at all: copy a default krusaderc file in /usr/share/config , discussed on [WWW]  Krusader-devel a default krusaderrc is [WWW]  available- fschoolmeesters"
[06:55] <OdyX> Someone else is having Amarok going out of control ? Sometimes, it begins a new song and shortly after, switches again. I pause it, to see what I get in .xsession-errors and it restarts alone. ???
[07:06] <jpatrick> OdyX: does that sometimes here
[07:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: have you reported ? I'm about to.
[07:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: but amarok.kde.org seems down,
[07:07] <jpatrick> bugs.kde.org :)
[07:07] <jpatrick> OdyX: I feel so bad, parts of my body seem to be passing out here
[07:08] <OdyX> jpatrick: what's happening to you ? Working in a nuclear power plant ?
[07:08] <jpatrick> emotical blow, would be a way to describe it
[07:08] <OdyX> oh god... she went ?
[07:08] <jpatrick> No
[07:09] <OdyX> Well.. Is there something I can do ?
[07:10] <jpatrick> nope :(
[07:12] <OdyX> Ok. I'm helping you mentally as much as I can.
[07:30] <Tonio_> hey
[07:30] <OdyX> Hey Tonio_
[07:31] <jpatrick> hey
[07:54] <MidMark> so no Krusader also with a default krusaderc file?
[07:59] <jjesse> Riddell: is there a new kubuntu splash like the ubuntu splash showing up in wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta?
[07:59] <Tonio_> MidMark: can be done
[08:00] <Tonio_> MidMark: krusader will not be installed by default, but since it is widely used as far as I know, it can be interesting in a default config file
[08:01] <MidMark> Tonio: great, but discussion ok wiki is dead... there is enough time for dapper or should wait dapper+1?
[08:01] <MidMark> krusader is still in 1.60.1 in kubuntu that is very old
[08:14] <Tonio_> MidMark: for a default config file ? can be done toonight :)
[08:15] <Tonio_> I have time to work on that now, so I can update kubuntu-default-settings in a little time
[08:15] <MidMark> tonio: you are the krusader maintainer?
[08:15] <Tonio_> but of course if the version is really outdated, it makes sense to focus on dapper+1
[08:15] <MidMark> is outdated but 1.70.0 is out
[08:15] <Tonio_> MidMark: nope I'm not, but I could have updated the package, but since we are in feature freeze....
[08:16] <Tonio_> there needs a good reason to update
[08:16] <jpatrick> beta freeze
[08:16] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes, beta freeze sorry :)
[08:16] <Tonio_> anyway, we can do an uvfe, but for which reason ?
[08:16] <Tonio_> outdated package isn't a good reason enough
[08:17] <MidMark> tonio: ok but krusader isn't in main and cannot be updated? I don't need krusaderc "at all costs"
[08:18] <Tonio_> MidMark: universe or main branches are frozen the same way
[08:18] <Tonio_> due to the freaze, package updating requires a good reason
[08:18] <MidMark> tonio: ok, hope to see in dapper+1
[08:19] <Riddell> jjesse: nope
[08:19] <Tonio_> MidMark: I can see a few bugs are opened on that package
[08:20] <Tonio_> MidMark: if new version closes those, I can ask for uvf exception
[08:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi :)
[08:20] <Tonio_> MidMark: that makes sens
[08:20] <Tonio_> sense
[08:21] <MidMark> tonio: understood, don't want to push 1.70 at all costs... anyway I filled bug #40198 :-D
[08:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40198 in krusader "RFE: update to version 1.70.0 and can help a default krusaderc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40198
[08:21] <Tonio_> MidMark: let me test the new version :)
[08:22] <MidMark> tonio: do that, it's great! :)
[08:22] <Tonio_> MidMark: nothing compares to konqueror :)
[08:22] <MidMark> tonio: you want to say that krusader is better than konq of course? :)
[08:23] <Tonio_> MidMark: nope ;) konqueror is by far better for my usage
[08:24] <Tonio_> MidMark: honnestly, I don't see what I would need that konqueror can't do :)
[08:26] <MidMark> tonio: I read an article that a lot of people that use twin panel for 1 months they don't want to come back to single panel
[08:26] <MidMark> it's just faster
[08:26] <MidMark> tonio: but I know that file manager is a lot personal... you have to love it :)
[08:27] <Tonio_> the copyright file of the actual krusader package is a shame, really
[08:27] <MidMark> tonio: why?
[08:27] <Tonio_> MidMark: konqueror works in twin panel mode :)
[08:27] <Tonio_> 3 panels mode too
[08:27] <Tonio_> 10 panels mode if you want
[08:27] <Tonio_> plus tabs, plus everything you want
[08:28] <MidMark> tonio: probably I have used it only in single panel mode... tabs I know they exists, but they exists also in krusader
[08:29] <Tonio_> MidMark: let me show you a screenshot :)
[08:29] <MidMark> for twin panel I mean two panels in a single windows, not 2, 3... 10 different windows
[08:29] <MidMark> tonio: yes please
[08:29] <jpatrick> MidMark: In Konqueror
[08:30] <Tonio_> MidMark: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture7.png
[08:30] <Tonio_> MidMark: that's an extreme example
[08:30] <Tonio_> 6 splittings + 5 tabs
[08:30] <Tonio_> what more whould I need ?
[08:31] <jpatrick> Tonio_: hehe
[08:31] <Tonio_> MidMark: and if you only want twin, simply split a window and save the profile
[08:31] <jpatrick> how do you get those little icons near the wastebin one?
[08:32] <MidMark> tonio: I have to use both intensive to understand which is superior
[08:32] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I changed to detailed mode, simply :)
[08:32] <Tonio_> MidMark: I can give you the response right now :)
[08:32] <MidMark> tonio: I need a fm that is terribly fast to do all
[08:32] <Tonio_> konqueror is by far the best window manager ever
[08:32] <Tonio_> MidMark: since it is also an ftp client, sftp client
[08:33] <Tonio_> cd ripper and everything you want :)
[08:33] <jpatrick> swiss army knife
[08:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: kind of :)
[08:33] <Tonio_> jpatrick: and of course a web browser :)
[08:34] <Tonio_> MidMark: it is also a good image browser
[08:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: on your screenshot, the folder named DivX should be renamed in Ogg.
[08:35] <jpatrick> if only it made cups of tea... but we have kteatime for that
[08:35] <Tonio_> OdyX: hehe :) reminding of my windows previous life :)
[08:35] <OdyX> Tonio_: tssss :D
[08:36] <MidMark> tonio: I will try... I'm only waiting 1st of june to replace my shitting windows os... for now I have converted my brother and a friend of mine
[08:36] <cmvo> Tonio_: Hi! Dumb question: Where did you switch to detailed mode?
[08:37] <Tonio_> cmvo, let me make you a screenshot, I don't want to give you bas translation
[08:38] <cmvo> Tonio_:  Tnx, I just can't find it...
[08:39] <_superstoned> cmvo: yes, polyester and crystal
[08:39] <Tonio_> cmvo: http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture8.png
[08:40] <cmvo> _superstoned: Tnx, I had to get polyester 0.9 and and had to restart X to get all effects. Looks nice!
[08:41] <_superstoned> indeed, cmvo, it looks nice. tough i don't think you should have had to restart X...
[08:41] <_superstoned> a tip: you can make the windowdecoration round on all sides. looks bad on botom sides - you can make the windec blend in, by changing its color to the color of the background of the window. looks nice!
[08:44] <cmvo> Tonio_: Hm, are we talking about the same thing. I meant the little icons in the panel and if I'm not mistaken jpatrick did too.
[08:44] <Tonio_> cmvo: I didn't configure that
[08:44] <Tonio_> that's the default
[08:45] <Tonio_> cmvo: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh tthe application launcher ???????
[08:45] <Tonio_> on the bottom nearby the trash on my screenshot ?
[08:46] <Tonio_> cmvo: is it that ?
[08:46] <cmvo> _superstoned: I had the dapper version of polyester installed and didn't get the menu stripes before restarting X.
[08:47] <cmvo> Tonio_: Yup, thats it. Oh, no I didn' think of an applet. Sri
[08:47] <Tonio_> cmvo: it is the "application launcher" applet
[08:48] <Tonio_> cmvo: very usefull :)
[08:50] <cmvo> Tonio_: Ah, its the Quick Launcher. Thats what I get for not looking at the right place ;-)
[08:51] <Tonio_> cmvo: :)
[08:56] <jpatrick> Tonio_: that's what I was talking about
[08:56] <Tonio_> jpatrick: okay I missunderstood :)
[09:01] <verwilst_> has the w32codec stuffs been improved lately?
[09:02] <cmvo> Got to go, cu around.
[09:47] <OdyX> Riddell: that's ogg/vorbis/theora !!
[09:47] <OdyX> Fine !
[09:48] <OdyX> Riddell: they use theora-mmx, not disponible under (K)Ubuntu...
[09:48] <jpatrick> works here
[09:49] <OdyX> jpatrick: the video works here... but for streaming the video (sending), you need theora-mmx which is not under Ubuntu...
[09:50] <jpatrick> right
[11:36] <kmon> ok... anyone knows that's an eft?
[11:36] <kmon> ::)
[11:40] <kmon> kubuntu devs should add some ideas here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006. Currently there's only gnome related... ;)
[11:44] <Riddell> it's a newt
[11:45] <kmon> newt?
[11:45] <kmon> :?
[11:45] <kmon> still no clue... hehe
[11:45] <kmon> ohh
[11:45] <kmon> google images shows one
[11:46] <kmon> thanxs Riddell