[12:05] sabdfl: most of #kubuntu-de doesn't agree with the kubuntu.de situation [12:06] (Done.) [12:06] Riddell: by "the situation" you mean that the web page currently redirects to some other place? [12:06] Razor-X: thank you, good point [12:06] sabdfl: I mean the statement that was on there before [12:06] sabdfl: to a completly unknown webpage full of gnome users ^^ [12:06] (but the webpage is blue ^^) [12:06] I also spoke to someone who's name was on there but didn't know what the grivances were about [12:07] lol mitsuhiko [12:07] is it specifically amu and \sh that are upset and have taken this action? or is it a wider issue? [12:07] sabdfl: right now there's no place for that discussion to happen, other than an IRC channel and a few non-kubuntu specific forum sites === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:08] sabdfl: I think it's amu who's upset, and he's convinced other people [12:08] what i saw previously was amu being very upset because we had not been fast enough in responding to sysadmin requests [12:08] sabdfl: i do not think it is a wider issue [12:08] sabdfl: afair only amu. \sh joined him a few hours later [12:08] the rest of the subscribers was the kubuntu.de forum team [12:08] he had a reasonable grievance, but i think the response was out of proportion [12:08] sabdfl: sysadmin and I think he also e-mailed silbs about some business stuff [12:08] with no response [12:08] i'm not aware of that [12:08] sabdfl: +1 [12:09] sabdfl: +1 [12:09] i'll email both amu and \sh and offer an olive branch [12:09] both have done huge amounts for (k)ubuntu [12:09] so lets not lose sight of this [12:09] a lot of it sounds like it's about money, getting reimbursed for the website and being paid for developing kubuntu. highvoltage's blog post was the wisest comment I've read on it [12:09] yes, well said highvoltage [12:09] sabdfl: one of amu's assertions is that some KDE developers will not go near Gnomeish sites (for user support, among other things) [12:09] mdke: no, I don't think that's the case at all === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:10] I think what we need to find out is whether that problem is "real" [12:10] mdke, sabdfl: thank you. [12:10] smurf: +100 [12:10] Riddell, well, the sysadmin request problem disappeared and the other grievances remained, which seemed to me to be about money. But you will know more === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:11] sabdfl: i think an email from you would be the best way forward [12:11] alright, the main thing i wanted to establish is if we have a broader dissatisfaction in the kubuntu german community, or if it is focused around amu and \sh. it sounds like a specific issue, and i will reach out to try and resolve it [12:11] the domain issue is interesting [12:11] we do generally ask folks to transfer ubuntu domains to us to avoid something like this [12:11] amu did complain about a domain squatter, which I've not heard anything else about [12:11] they have effectively ripped the carpet out from under their own community [12:11] sabdfl: those are many [12:11] I noticed that amu registed kubuntu.eu [12:11] which is not wise [12:12] sabdfl: amu did demand that we remove "kubuntu" from ubuntuuser.de's "official support forum for ..." list [12:12] smurf, I found those demands ridiculous, I don't get why they want kubuntu to be completely separate [12:12] oh yes, he did :/ [12:12] smurf: that's a fair request, kubuntu.de was the official kubuntu support site until he closed it [12:12] Seveas: they don't [12:12] we should guard against an "ubuntu vs kubuntu" issue, smurf, so lets just be firm in maintaining the position that ubuntu is about the whole project, including kubuntu [12:12] Riddell: official as designated by whom? [12:12] I thought kubuntu is property of Canonical? So he shouldn't be the one registering kubuntu.eu and demanding to remove it from ubuntuusers.de [12:13] sabdfl: exactly [12:13] Riddell, their mails seemed to say so [12:13] Seveas, hm because amu want to have a link to his onlineshop on the site? === cbx3333 [n=542deec3@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:13] ok, i'm traveling a lot in the next 10 days but will try and get to the bottom of this [12:13] smurf: kubuntu.org/support.php [12:13] what would you guys see as a satisfactory resolution - the domain pointing back where it was? where is the content that was there? [12:13] link to kubuntu.de now removed [12:14] sabdfl: it's on amu's server [12:14] Riddell, why have they never applied to be an official locoteam? [12:14] sabdfl: it would be nice to have the site back up and with it pointing to ubuntuusers.de and vice versa [12:14] +1 [12:14] I'll be surprised if that can happen, a good amount of trust has been lost === glar00k [n=sven@Pink1-Red.fh-coburg.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:14] was kubuntu.de a community site with wiki and forums etc? [12:14] or just content? === highvoltage would be happy if the official kubuntu support site was hosted on a canonical server, with an ubuntu org owned domain name [12:15] sabdfl: forums and mailing list [12:15] sabdfl: a forum since amu couldn't work together with ubuntuusers.de [12:15] sabdfl, there are also mailinglists on kubuntu.de [12:15] ok [12:16] most will move to kubuntuusers.de [12:16] highvoltage: +1 on that. I would help with the image of support from Greater Ubuntu / Canonical. [12:16] sabdfl, and they have the control about #kubuntu-de [12:16] Seveas: they did, they went through me, that's the process for kubuntu [12:16] just to write how it's going in France: we'll have a kubuntu team, which will have rw on the site ubuntu-fr.org; they'll be in charge for kubuntu promotion on ubuntufr's website. [12:16] juliux: ultimately I'm the freenode contact for #kubuntu* namespace [12:16] Riddell, that's not so good. locoteams should be encouraged to deal with kubuntu and ubuntu (and others) together, I feel, if at all possible. [12:17] Riddell, ah ok [12:17] Yann2: that would be our preferred solution too [12:17] well, i'm sorry that this has happened, but it seems to be more growing pain than major crisis. let's see if an olive branch helps. their status as anything official "kubuntu"-ish does depend on the CC, so we should be able to work something out [12:17] mdke: I insist upon it [12:17] mdke: but amu is a special case since he started kubuntu, I let him do his own thing [12:17] ah, right. [12:17] ok folks, i'm out of time. elmo, mako, sorry to duck off but thank you for steering! [12:17] Riddell, so, having a separate channel for "officialdom" is a bad idea in general, but an exception was made for -de? [12:17] sabdfl: i have no doubt that we could work something out on our end [12:18] alright [12:18] sabdfl, enjoy the rest of your evening [12:18] mdke: are you talking about IRC? [12:18] cya sabdfl [12:18] lets see what else we can cover [12:18] Riddell, no, LoCo teams in general === olive give an olive branch to the blue sky [12:18] we should probably still plan to get together later this week to do member processing :) [12:18] more meetings [12:18] yay [12:19] mako: as long it's not on friday :) [12:19] mdke: meeting is moving on, poke me on #ubuntu-devel if you want to discuss === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:19] Riddell, sure [12:19] someone wants to know the official trademark usage guidelines [12:19] from canonical [12:19] those are actually online [12:19] that's me [12:20] http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy [12:20] now [12:20] You want to use the logo in a desktop background. Go right ahead! You can even share your work by listing it on our artwork page [12:20] :/ [12:21] yay. thats a problem [12:21] since some people make derived work based on the ubuntu logo [12:22] mako ,membership apprival postponed to? [12:22] *approval [12:22] ... and some of these derived works (try to) convey political messages we do NOT want to be associated with [12:22] there seems to be a specific question about using the ubuntu logo to promote particular political positions [12:22] Maybe there needs to be something like the US obscenity law for that, "we know it when we see it", for what's not okay in desktop backgrounds, with some pointers but open-ended. [12:22] AndreaVeri: a later (undecided) date [12:22] ok perfect [12:22] this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37620 [12:22] smurf, ah, come on it was just a very bery bad april fools joke ... the guy s a big ubuntu fan [12:22] smurf: exactly [12:23] mako, so am i here inappropriately? [12:23] mako: Some political positions should be fine, but others are considered to be enough of a problem to be illegal in many counries, and that's a bit different. [12:23] eyequeue: not inappropriately [12:23] Enforcing legit usage of the logos and trademarks (Ubuntu/Kubuntu etc) could avoid issues of "squatting" and uglification. But I guess it's not easy to enforce trademarks, like many patents. [12:23] eyequeue: we just ran out of time with the full voting board [12:23] Some problems also are a matter of taste/humor: When does one take it as a true political statement (or whatever) or as a bit of fun -- however questionable? [12:23] ogra: which doesn't prevent other people from taking it seriously and asking pointed questions about it [12:23] smurf, true ... [12:24] so here's the deal [12:24] ogra > are both april jokes? [12:24] Yann2, you might want to write up some of the potential problems you envisage in a bit more detail, and present it to the CC when the ideas are nice and concrete. [12:24] but with a bit of research they would have found that he has just a bad sense of umor [12:24] the trademark is designed primarily to keep people from getting confused [12:24] what we really really don't want [12:24] is for people to take their distribution [12:24] that is not ubuntu [12:24] Yann2, nope, i havent seen the fridge one [12:24] and to call it ubuntu [12:24] and to confuse people into thinking that it's the one that we put together, with support, a coc, etc [12:24] ogra: i found out that too. but that doesn't solve to problem as such [12:25] I meant this : http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37620 [12:25] ogra: people who are easily offended by that sort of thing are notoriously bad at researching :-/ [12:25] mako, but we want to encourage people like http://www.nubuntu.org/ [12:25] the point is not to make a situation where canonical is the only person who can talk about ubuntu or use the image [12:25] im all for creativity but i think some of the images that were pointed to on the agenda wiki should have been kept off public display it makes ubuntu look bad to people that didnt know it was a "joke" [12:25] smurf, true as well [12:25] what we don't want is for someone to put up a website === topyli [n=juha@dsl-hkigw3-fe23de00-139.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["I] [12:25] maybe selling a service or support [12:25] gnomefreak: Agreed. And for many people, those things can never be a joke. [12:25] and confusing people into thinking that it is official ubuntu support [12:25] control over the name and logo is one way to do that [12:26] but we want to encourage the types of uses that spread the word, the logo, and the name [12:26] isnt this whole thing about a guy who realised that he cannot continue to move his idea further on without co-operating with the big entity? [12:26] ok, so we should accept these derivations? [12:26] when it's used in reference to the actual product [12:26] so, http://www.nubuntu.org/ needs to get permission from canonical [12:26] imho [12:26] I think gnome-look.org should look that they only offer politically correct themes. [12:26] gnomefreak: how would you keep them off public display? [12:26] mako: +1 [12:27] because it's violated basically every thing on the list of guildeines that i posted earlier [12:27] and that has been on the website for years now [12:27] Logo derivations should also be expected to adhere to the CoC like everything else. [12:27] lucasvo: you can vote down items on gnome-look to stop them being displayed [12:27] that may still be fine [12:27] but they need permission [12:27] lucasvo: define "politically correct". :-/ [12:27] mako, sure, but its one example hwre the logo isnt abused like in all the others pointed out [12:27] i understand [12:27] mako the issue that is now faced is the kubuntu name may be missued, this has implications on a larger scale, and frankly one that could be a serious issue, maybe trademark protection should be used to recover problematic domain useage and point it back to base, after a process that is designed and approved by cc or tech board or sabdfl or some some combination of all to protect the name of ubuntu - done [12:27] ogra: "abuse" is subjective [12:27] smurf: yeah, that's exactly why I used this term :) [12:27] we've got a set of trademark guidelines, and it's the only that most clearly violates those [12:28] from a trademark law perspective, it is the one that is most threatening to the existance of the mark [12:28] imho [12:28] ompaul: trademark law already does cover domain ussage [12:28] mako, free user driven ubuntu derivative == non-abuse, selling support as ubantu.com with the same logo and font == abuse ;) [12:28] ompaul: as part of the universal domain name dispute resolution process [12:28] mako: I guess what I'd like to see is a CC resolution that states that the Ubuntu community does not condone using (part of) their look+feel to convey any messages that are ad odds with the Ubuntu philosophy as stated on our home page [12:28] Riddell: you cant really but i think it should be known ubuntu doesnt support those things [12:28] ogra: umm.. [12:29] which we can point people to [12:29] mako, but i fuly agree they should ask for permission indeed [12:29] smurf: +1 [12:29] smurf, +1 [12:29] when someone has a doubt about the use of the mark, all they have to do is ask, right? We did this once with ubuntu-it, and it was resolved quickly [12:29] ogra: i would put it this way: if you're using hte logo in either of those ways, you need a license [12:29] ogra: we would be very very happy to give on to nubuntu probably [12:29] thats waht i mean [12:29] ogra: and unwilling to give one to ubantu [12:29] yep [12:29] but they both need them [12:29] yes [12:29] there is an email address [12:29] i don't know who answers it now [12:29] but i used to [12:29] which is why i know a little bit about this [12:30] we mailed jane, dunno who gets the trademark mail though [12:30] trademark@ubuntu.com [12:30] and @canonical.com === xorAxAx [n=xorAxax@moinmoin/coreteam/alexander] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Nobody] === highvoltage would guess that it's claire [12:30] marilize is behind trademarks [12:30] so, in terms of backgrounds and situations where it's not being used to promote another product or could not likely to confuse anyone into thinking that there is endorsement [12:31] and they've given permission to nubuntu AFAIK [12:31] of a political message etc, i'd say it's fine [12:31] i'm fine with the trademark issue, we already sent a lot of emails to trademark@ :) But what should we do if someone posts a wallpaper like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=37620 ? Delete it? [12:31] elmo: cool [12:32] ok. i've to go. today is school and it's late [12:32] good night all [12:32] Yann2: my personal opinion is that it's probably not a trademark violtion and should probably just be left [12:32] Yann2, that's not being used to promote another product and won't confuse people into thinking there is endorsement [12:32] bye mitsuhiko [12:32] but if people at canonical disagree with me, they matter more on this issue [12:32] night mitsuhiko [12:32] Yann2: afaik, it doesn't conflicts the trademark usage policy. maybe it conflicts with the law, in that case it should be removed [12:33] mitsuhiko: see ya :) [12:33] you can't stop people using your trademark for artistic purposes without any commercial gain, it's just silly [12:33] -1 for me, I clearly dislike the fact of seeing ubuntu associated with politics, which could be misunderstood by people visiting the website publishing them. [12:33] I tend to agree with mako, FWIW, tho I don't count as Canonical in terms of trademarks [12:34] Yann2: i think it's in a forum where it is clearly user-contributed artwork [12:34] Yann2, its just users ... as long as we dont publish it on our website they are as free as the internet lets them [12:34] absolutely [12:34] it's like those ubuntu-butts pictures [12:34] ok, then... agreed. [12:34] mmm [12:34] let's move on :) [12:34] smile, or don't, and move on [12:34] (thats why i found the ubuntu ev reaction a bit ... umm funny) [12:35] ok, we're nearly done. elmo answered the ed/kubuntu members question [12:35] mention rear-ends and the conversation ends [12:35] mako, I was going to mention the bikini bottom logo... ;-) [12:35] kjcole, there is a logo ? [12:35] alright [12:35] about sub-locoteams: brazil and us already have them for instance [12:35] kjcole: link? :D [12:35] "Sub" LoCoTeams: this is fairly clearly answered on the locoteam pages, i.e. collaboration is very encouraged, and more locoteams are encouraged too [12:35] jerome is correct in answering the last question [12:36] sub-locos are fine [12:36] they're great [12:36] ogra, there was a photo on the fridge a while back as I recall... [12:36] collaborate where possible [12:36] try not to over-fragment so nobody gets anything done [12:36] fine :) [12:36] kjcole, gah, missed that [12:36] ogra, lucasvo I just looked but couldn't find it. [12:36] .cn want to talk to someone aabout them they are population wise huge and cover more space than most [12:36] but go ahead, and encourage people to participate in more than one :) [12:36] ompaul: that's fine [12:37] ompaul, we'll have to yount them first before we belive them ... :) [12:37] *count [12:37] I tend to think sub locoteams are generally done well if under the overall umbrella of the country they are found in. But that might not work, e.g. in the US :) [12:37] as a subloco team leader, +8 ;-) [12:37] I go to bed, the work call tomorrow good night. cya@ll [12:37] gn8 SHAKAL === SHAKAL [n=marko@p54957624.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:37] ogra, you gona run outa fingers and toes fast :-) [12:37] i think that's it [12:37] unless there is any other business [12:37] alright [12:38] we'll meet back here soon [12:38] i gotta run [12:38] night all, thanks [12:38] ciao [12:38] later all [12:38] cheers [12:38] elmo: lets actually coordinate this over email :) === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === nalioth [n=nalioth@ubuntu/member/pdpc.bronze.nalioth] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:38] ompaul, yes, but i'm always told .cn has the biggest population in the world ... did *you* actually meet someone who counted that ? [12:38] mako: yeah === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@unaffiliated/gnomefreak] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:39] um, i'm rather unclear what i should be doing next, input anyone? [12:39] ogra, almost the offical figures are 1.2 or something like that [12:39] ogra, me I go for 1.6 or so [12:39] hey, i'm not serious :) === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [12:42] sorry for whom here for membership today. :( [12:42] bye all === atie_ [n=atie@ubuntu/member/atie] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["bye"] [12:42] ogra, watch the ball bounce :-) [12:43] :) [12:43] bye all [12:43] ogra: hope to see you at tomorrow [12:43] night lucasvo [12:43] been a long time since I last was attending edubuntu meeting :) [12:44] :) === hybrid [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:45] gn8 all [12:45] ogra, lucasvo http://www.flickr.com/photos/86444323@N00/81971182/ [12:46] it's really diffical to show up at every meeting [12:46] goodnight, everyone. [12:46] when you're living in a UTC+8 timezone === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [12:47] ta-ta all. === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FFA61.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["SNAFU"] === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp20-245.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === _jason [n=jasonr@dhcp0534.hrn.resnet.group.upenn.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === kingspawn [n=anakron@204.80-203-21.nextgentel.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:55] anyone? === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@HSE-Montreal-ppp127970.qc.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Guess] [12:56] eyequeue: here's one [12:57] thanks, BlueT_ [12:58] eyequeue: no need. i just got sleepless for frequently ubuntu-meetings [12:58] BlueT_, did you have a suggestion as to my next action (re: membership)? === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] [01:00] eyequeue: i've no idea. i'm here waiting for them kicking me off too. lol [01:01] eyequeue: this is my first time too, body :) [01:01] eyequeue, just wait for mako to mail relevant mailinglists about the next meeting [01:01] BlueT_, you have an extensive wiki page :) [01:02] eyequeue: the only thing i know and trying to do is making ubuntu better and better :) [01:02] Seveas, i'm not subbed to any lists, but certainly can if i need to ... which would that be? btw, i tried to sub to yours last night but the confirmation bounced, i can email the bounce message to you if it helps?? [01:03] eyequeue, no, the lists on my server are wonky [01:03] I'll have to fix them [01:03] Seveas, nuts.okkernoot.net [01:04] Seveas, as far as i can tell, i'm only missing the messages about falcon, correct? [01:04] and about repo issues [01:05] ah, i only found falcon in the list archives === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:08] on second though - please mail me the bounce [01:08] that part of the lists should still work [01:09] Seveas@ubuntu? [01:09] dennis@ubuntu [01:10] sent :) [01:11] hmm [01:12] try adding YES to the subject [01:12] shouldn't be neccessary though [01:15] :) Your subscription request has been succesfully confirmed! 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has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 26 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu === AndreaVeri [n=AndreaVe@host165-208.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === KOnsumer [i=konsumer@87.193.5.116] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:59] @schedule manila [01:59] Schedule for Asia/Manila: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu | 21 Apr 04:00: Dapper Development Status | 26 Apr 04:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 20:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 21:30: Xubuntu === zul 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[02:03] Thank goodness for Daylight Savings Time.... It's not quite as miserable starting an hour later. ;-) [02:03] hi all [02:03] Hi [02:03] hi JaneW [02:03] :) [02:03] Hi AndreaVeri [02:03] hello pete :) [02:03] hi [02:03] oi BugMaN [02:04] andreaveri: :-) [02:04] jane its all ok?we can start? [02:04] ok as usual, standard format [02:04] oliver? [02:04] yep [02:04] I have made notes to discuss the following The Dev Status, Bug Status, Testing Status, Artwork, Web Site progress, Documentation, Cookbook, Edubuntu Memeber status and anything else required to be discussed. [02:04] hello :) [02:04] ok [02:04] Excellent [02:04] ogra is busy so let's not take much of his time today [02:05] i'm a tad busy with beta CDs [02:05] ok perfect [02:05] ogra can you give us a 5 min update? [02:05] okie oliver np [02:05] testing of the next build (in 2-3h) would be very appreciated btw [02:05] I can test the tomorrow [02:05] so tech update .... [02:06] ogra, I can try but time is now a problem for me.. [02:06] ogra: time stamp? [02:06] we're building beta ... still missing artwork and edubuntu-docs ... [02:06] ok ill start testing [02:06] ogra: is that all that remains now? [02:06] for me its ok today [02:06] should be 20060419.1 for both [02:06] where can i get them from? [02:07] some small bugs i didnt manage to fix before beta as well === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:07] i.e. the dhcp.config will currently produce a question on upgrades that shouldnt happen === G0SUB_ [i=ghoseb@2001:5c0:8f54:1:0:0:2:1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:07] ok [02:07] ogra: things have gone really well this cycle, well done [02:07] it's a minor change mdz is notified about === Klaidas [n=klaidas@unaffiliated/klaidas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:08] ogra: we only had the hicoughs with arguing about what was in and what was out initially [02:08] the gobby upstream author contacted me [02:08] ogra: oh? [02:08] hehe [02:08] ogra, interesting what has gobby got to say... [02:08] JaneW, you remember we had to demote it to universe in london because it depended on howl [02:08] yes [02:08] he offered me a fix [02:08] *yesterday* [02:09] oic, too late thogh right? [02:09] @schedule GMT+2 [02:09] Schedule for Etc/GMT+2: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 19 Apr 11:30: Xubuntu | 20 Apr 18:00: Dapper Development Status | 25 Apr 18:00: Technical Board | 26 Apr 10:00: Edubuntu | 26 Apr 11:30: Xubuntu [02:09] so with a lot of begging at mdz's desk i can probably get it back to main and on the CD [02:09] ogra: er what's the chance of that? [02:09] it is approved for main [02:09] ogra: it;s WAY past too late [02:09] ogra: yes I guess [02:09] so it *could* be a no brainer, depending on mdz [02:09] ogra: well try, there's no harm in trying [02:09] ogra, good luck. [02:10] unless he beat you up! ;) [02:10] its not to late for something we had already in imho... but its up to him [02:10] ogra: sure, I agree put the case to him and let him make a call [02:10] i have fixed the issue with dhcpd.conf autogeneration btw [02:11] sadly no dapper material anymore [02:11] ogra, is gobby on the cd now? [02:11] ogra: how are the bugs looking, need triage help? [02:11] flint, not since the london sprint [02:11] flint: no [02:11] damn [02:11] JaneW, not specifically for edubuntu bugs, no [02:11] there are not many [02:11] good good [02:11] ogra: do you most need the community to test more than anything else? [02:11] most edubuntu bugs are ubuntu bugs [02:11] and document! [02:11] yep [02:11] ogra: yes [02:12] I can document and test [02:12] while documenting is also on my desk, since nobody knows the ltsp code as good as me, but cbx33 already offered some help [02:12]