=== cbx3333 [n=542deec3@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208311.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-221.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-motu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.230.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] how stable is dapper? [01:42] pretty good i just upgraded from breezy (i had to configure x server manually though) === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ZuZubuntu-fr [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-51-162.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] grrr :( [02:06] whats wrong LJ? [02:12] well, I wanted to play a game or something to relax. Of course I can't find anything much that will play on this stupid intel iMac [02:16] hello? nethack? [02:17] oh wait, how about the "close LP bugs" game? :) [02:17] hi all [02:18] crimsun: good point === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] seriously, though, I'd be surprised if at least the ascii ones weren't playable [02:19] ahh, sweet tuxracer works [02:20] I was really hoping America's Army or Enemy Territory would work [02:20] LaserJock: freeciv [02:21] LaserJock: Doom ;) [02:21] LaserJock: runs on everything from ipods to mainframes === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] lifeless: yeah, that might be nice. never played it before though [02:25] Yagisan: maybe [02:25] LaserJock: why wont America's Army or ET work on an intel imac? [02:26] hey LaserJock, looking for a game? :) [02:26] Unfrgiven: because it needs a x86 version for OSX [02:26] Toadstool: yeah, for an intel mac [02:26] angband :D === mat__ [n=mat@d01v-212-194-200-119.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:41] g'night everybody === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] Sorry gang, what did I miss? Can you all start over? :-) [02:58] bddebian: well, I was looking for games for my intel iMac ;-) [02:59] so we are staying very on topic :p [02:59] LaserJock: how about you intel iMac? :) [03:00] of course. You are intending to put Ubuntu on that mac right LaserJock ? [03:00] afternoon [03:00] yes, as soon as I can (hopefully early Dapper+1) [03:00] Heya ajmitch [03:00] hi ajmitch [03:00] no, he's going to give it to me with the great BdDebianIsAGod jedi mind trick that I'm using === bddebian still wonders why crimsun hates him === LaserJock can't resist, must .. give .. to .. crimsun [03:01] right now my main bugs are with python related stuff (matplotlib and wxpython) [03:01] LaserJock: no, must give to me. [03:02] bddebian: why do you think crimsun hates you? [03:02] because he thinks everybody hates him [03:02] right [03:02] bddebian: ya know, my wife has a Masters in Counseling [03:02] LaserJock: might be a good idea - get her to stop him saying he's stupid === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] hello Hobbsee [03:03] hi ajmitch === Hobbsee tries to make her internet work properly [03:04] how are you? [03:04] you have your own internet? :) [03:04] no...lol [03:04] i'm good, i booked in my car to be fixed... === Yagisan really should resist telling the trolls in u-d to fuck off. But I can't help it while sick. [03:04] how damaged was it? === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] Hobbsee: you broke your car? [03:06] Yagisan: no, some woman decided to reverse into me while i was stationary, down a one way street. [03:07] ajmitch: about $500 damage on mine, more on hers... [03:07] Damn women drivers === bddebian hides :-) [03:07] haha @ bddebian === Hobbsee thwacks bddebian [03:08] bddebian: run now while you still have the chance [03:09] Hobbsee: typical. No one looks where they go anymore [03:09] too late...i've got my lovely large baseball bat here... [03:09] Yagisan: so it seems. and since when was reversing up a one way street legal anyway??? [03:10] yes, the nose of the car is pointing in the correct direction, but you're STILL GOING THE WRONG WAY!!! [03:10] Hobbsee: it's not, but they give any dickhead a license now. [03:10] heh === Yagisan should actually one day get around to getting a license [03:10] i'm the p-plater - surely i should be at fault? :P [03:10] the woman who hit me would have been in her 40's or 50's [03:10] Yagisan: it's gotten harder, with the driving test [03:12] Hobbsee: really ? admittedly the last time I drove a car was up the m4 with the coppers behind me the whole way, some 7 years ago, but it shouldn't be too hard. [03:12] ouch... [03:12] Yagisan: yeah...they can get pretty picky - i was lucky, getting thru first time :D [03:12] Yagisan: what were you being chased for? :) === Hobbsee glares in the direction of cops....hate them driving around me! [03:13] ajmitch: no license. [03:13] niec [03:14] and you got out of jail ok? :) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul [03:15] wow both Hobbsee and Yagisan are aussies... Hobbsee you're from Sydney too? [03:15] Unfrgiven: yes [03:15] I pulled into the University of Western Sydney, left the card in the parking lot, mingled in with the students, and left via the student shuttle bus 8-) [03:15] s/card/car [03:15] hehe! [03:15] Yagisan: hahaha! thats gold [03:15] Unfrgiven: yes, they're taking over [03:16] Yagisan: well done ;) [03:16] ajmitch: you mean we're taking over... all from sydney, thats cool! === Hobbsee pokes StevenK with a big long stick === ajmitch tries to remember who else from here is from sydney - lifeless & stevenk are the only others I know of [03:16] Unfrgiven: you're a sydney-sider too? [03:16] Hobbsee: Yagisan: where do you work? [03:16] Hobbsee: sure am! [03:16] Unfrgiven: bilo. [03:16] Hobbsee: Unfrgiven even turned up at UDU [03:16] woo! [03:17] ah...i wasnt at that... [03:17] as did Yagisan [03:17] i lived across the road from UDU!!! [03:17] literally across the road [03:17] Unfrgiven: self-employed http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi [03:17] Unfrgiven: I lived across the ditch [03:17] ajmitch: :) [03:17] :P === Hobbsee reminds herself to go to work today [03:17] Unfrgiven: I probably met you, and don't remember your name or face. [03:18] Yagisan: we can pull up a photo, I'm sure his face is online somewhere [03:18] hehe! [03:18] yeah, there are probably pictures of all of you around... [03:18] on launchpad maybe? [03:18] certainly [03:18] probably not on launchpad === Hobbsee has a few pictures, but they are well hidden! [03:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder [03:18] lots of photo links [03:18] I couldn't find a picture of me, but the is a bloke that looks rather like me [03:18] s/the/their [03:19] bugger it. can't spell today === Hobbsee looks thru the pictures [03:20] http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/ubuntu-down-under/ubuntu-down-under-027.html [03:20] friendly elmo [03:21] hehe === Hobbsee is jealous now! === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-66-27.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] heh [03:23] hey there is more than one woman there! [03:23] of course [03:23] Hobbsee: yeah. they were mean. They only gave me 1 t-shirt :( [03:23] hehe [03:24] only one. I mean, what do I wear while I was the first ? [03:24] s/was/wash [03:24] you know what's weird? ogr*a looks rather like a guy at my work... [03:25] Yagisan: I picked up another one in montreal === tritium needs an ubuntu t-shirt [03:26] so at least I can alternate between them each week :) [03:26] hee === Hobbsee wouldnt fit into one very well :P [03:26] sorry, got a phone call. im sure i made it in the background at one photo [03:27] aha [03:27] Unfrgiven: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477774/ [03:27] heh, we should have a new kubuntu logo of this - http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-04-24-sydney-possum.jpg :D [03:28] yay, demonic possum [03:28] ajmitch: yeah you can't really make me out there... wasnt there one big group photo somewhere? [03:28] Unfrgiven: there was === ajmitch needs to through gnome-terminal through a window [03:28] http://image32.webshots.com/33/6/33/76/338863376AsRyZe_fs.jpg [03:28] hitting the irssi+screen bug [03:28] ajmitch: and you are which one, in that? [03:28] Hobbsee: on the right [03:28] ah ok [03:29] I took a bunch of guys on a short trip through kings cross at night. That was fun. Pity I don't see any photos [03:29] Yagisan: were you at UDU as well? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.34] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] I also found http://gallery.linuxguru.net/UbuntuDownUnder-4-2005/img_0257 [03:29] Yagisan: you *wanted* photos from that??? Is there anything good that actually happens in the cross? [03:29] Unfrgiven: yeah. I was conspicuous. i was the only guy there *without* a laptop [03:30] heh [03:30] hey there bddebian [03:30] LaserJock: thanks for finding that bad photo [03:30] Yagisan: i was there without a laptop too! my dell had died two wks before UDU! :( [03:30] ajmitch: you are most welcome ;-) [03:30] Yagisan: which sucked because it meant that i kept going home to my desktop :) [03:30] ah well, i'll show mine as well then... http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9838/hobbseecar10ii.jpg [03:31] hehe poor Unfrgiven [03:31] Heya tritium [03:31] Hobbsee: the pre-crash shot? [03:31] Hobbsee: is that the car that got ran into? [03:31] hi tritium [03:31] ajmitch: yes, that was taken on my birhtday last year... [03:31] LaserJock: yes it is [03:31] Hi there LaserJock [03:31] Hobbsee: I said, through - I took them cross the park, and down pitt street, so pitti could get a photo at martin & pitt sts, before going down to the opera house [03:31] blanked out numberplates & all :) [03:32] Yagisan: ah ok...lol === Hobbsee doesnt think that staying terribly long in kings cross would leave you guys with a terribly good location :P [03:32] Hobbsee: the car was a birthday present? :) [03:32] er, reputation :P [03:32] Hobbsee: I blame sabdfl [03:32] ajmitch: no it wasnt, but i got my licence that day... [03:33] he seems to pick such locations [03:33] haha [03:33] Hobbsee: RTA gave u a license for your bday? ;) [03:33] Unfrgiven: yeah...i took the test on that day, and passed === Hobbsee had wanted solo driving around 6months before that! [03:33] well done :) [03:34] Ack, WTF happened to my Bugs in Universe url? [03:34] thankyou :) [03:34] bddebian: i ate it...i was hungry [03:34] bddebian: you don't have any bugs, remember? [03:34] Well I hope it was good at least :-) [03:34] Hobbsee: so at what age can you get a license in .au? [03:34] crimsun: I don't? [03:34] bddebian: of course not, deities can't [03:34] bddebian: I thought you fixed them all [03:34] LaserJock: learners (with another driver in the car) at 16, provisional at 17, full licence at 19... [03:35] blink of an eye, "Thus spake bddebian" [03:35] Hobbsee: you look like a twig in that picture! [03:35] Yagisan: hehe! do i need to show my other one then? [03:35] Hobbsee: why not ? [03:35] Hobbsee: 19? man, that is old [03:35] http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4675/formal32zv.jpg [03:35] LaserJock: yeah, rather === womble [n=mpalmer@106.135.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] Yagisan: that pic, the lighting is wrong - but it does more or less show how thin i am [03:36] well, it would better if i hadnt had my arms folded... [03:36] Hobbsee: jeeze, I was married at 19 [03:36] Why do you guys tease me, knowing I'm not very bright? :'-( [03:37] Hobbsee: you do eat right ? you don't just look at the food and go "I'm full" ? [03:37] Yagisan: lol [03:37] bddebian: because you prove the contrary [03:37] LaserJock: now that's scary... [03:37] I was married at 20 [03:37] Yagisan: sorta...most of the time...i'm a little hypoglycaemic, so i kinda have to... === bddebian feels old as usual [03:37] Hobbsee: thin doesn't begin to describe that photo :) [03:37] actually, that was the earliest age I could marry in Japan [03:37] Hobbsee: and I was almost in grad school [03:37] work does get in the way though [03:37] ajmitch: lol! [03:38] Yagisan: wow thats young! [03:38] Yagisan: how old are you now? [03:38] Unfrgiven: 24 [03:38] ajmitch: No, I think crimsun likes to chastise me [03:38] bddebian: that's my job [03:39] Ah [03:39] Unfrgiven: 7 years with the same woman. almost time for a celebrity style divorce [03:39] that way you can just put me on /ignore & not have to worry [03:39] Yagisan: haha. you're just missing the celebrity part ;) [03:39] So what's up with the search. Now searching bugs in Ubuntu for Universe I get 10 [03:40] bddebian: it's borked again? [03:40] yeah, the shouldn't be filed against "ubuntu" [03:40] ajmitch: I would never put you on ignore honey [03:40] shit. I think I found a picture of me at UDU [03:40] Yagisan: where? [03:41] Yagisan: do share [03:41] http://gallery.linuxguru.net/UbuntuDownUnder-4-2005/img_0311 [03:41] that unshaven guy with the had on backwards looks like me [03:41] bddebian: I find 1471 universe bugs [03:41] ajmitch: URL? [03:41] Yagisan: with the brown shirt? [03:41] Yagisan: that's bradb [03:42] ajmitch: thats what i was gonna say [03:42] bddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-priority%2C-severity&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_no_pac [03:42] don't you love launchpad URLs? [03:42] ajmitch: woah! [03:42] I need tho scan a pic of myself [03:42] No :-) [03:42] I'm freaked out [03:42] that was the result of going to distros/ubuntu/+bugs, then advanced search [03:42] tick universe, hit search [03:42] there are people that look like me =-O [03:42] Yagisan: only from the side [03:43] Yagisan: maybe they need retinal scans at the dev conferences so they can determine who is who ;-) [03:44] ajmitch: tinyurl.com? :P === ubuntuology [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] well at least i wouldnt be hard to find :P [03:45] if i were there [03:45] I think I've got a few UDU photos [03:46] none from UBZ, with the camera+laptop going AWOL [03:46] Hobbsee: you never know, there might be dozens of skinny girls there ;-) [03:46] I'll hunt up and scan a few pics of me after lunch [03:46] alrighty all, ive gotta go... its time for ultimate frisbee! [03:46] have fun :) [03:46] LaserJock: girls + ubuntu = a fairly rare combination [03:46] have fun Unfrgiven! [03:46] you mean girls+ubuntu+involved in development [03:47] since we seem to scare away most of them [03:47] what US? [03:47] no way [03:47] ajmitch: ah yes, of course [03:48] LaserJock: with what 100 of us trying to hit on the same girl, no, they don't last long [03:48] LOL! [03:48] heh [03:48] well, as long as it isn't tooo obvious ;-) [03:48] Yagisan: and that's even with quite a few of them being married.. [03:49] ajmitch: hey, according to my wife, I only hit on the slanty chicks [03:49] haha [03:49] lol [03:49] good thing i've developed a thick skin :D [03:50] heh === Se7h [n=MUAHAHAH@81.193.89.167] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] Hobbsee: do you really get hit on that much? I hope -motu is above that sort of behaviour :-) [03:51] LaserJock: no, she gets jumped on here more than hit on [03:51] ah yes, StevenK and his acrobatics ;-) [03:52] my wife isn't happy when I'm in Japan, at Tokyo Disney, watching the parade is like watching some soft-porn movie. :-D [03:52] LaserJock: nah, not here. there are a couple of times where i'm a bit...hmmm...starting to think "okay, leave me alone", but i dont think that's really from you guys. At work it's far more common [03:52] hehe @ the jumping on [03:53] it's okay when i can laugh at it, and enjoy it - but as soon as it starts to make me uncomfortable or whatever, then...well that's when it should stop lol === Hobbsee can usually laugh and enjoy it [03:55] as long as people get the hint to stop :) [03:55] heh yeah...they usually do... [03:55] or i sign out, either way [03:55] There sure have been a lot of "In Progress" bugs that have been in progress for a while :-) === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:56] Hey jaldhar [03:57] bddebian: of course, we're lazy [03:57] bddebian: yeah, well it isn't so easy for some of us mere mortals [03:57] here we are. This is an older picture of me (after a shave) http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/Yagisan.jpg [03:57] bddebian: hello again [03:58] btw, I just fired up America's Army on the macintel. It's very slow, but it works. [03:58] Yagisan: haha, nice pic there :) [03:58] Yagisan: hehe! [03:59] There you guys go again [03:59] that was when my parents in law visited last year. My little girl is much bigger now [04:00] bddebian: don't worry, I don't plan to worship you ;) [04:00] I had no doubts about that [04:00] haha [04:03] here we are. last pic. me when I was young and handsome. http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/yagi_and_yama.jpg [04:04] I look so old now [04:07] pretty :) [04:09] Hobbsee: yeah she is, but she's also blind. I mean, she picked me, so she obviously can't see well [04:09] really? [04:09] Yagisan: is your daughter blind as well then? [04:09] or did she miss out on that? [04:09] Hobbsee: too literal! [04:11] haha === Yagisan wonders if Hobsee fancies him [04:11] * Yagisan wonders if Hobsee fancies him [04:11] cool [04:11] sorry [04:12] didn't mean to type that [04:12] damm, I was hoping for more echos [04:13] I think we're all just watching you dig the hole [04:13] what???? === Hobbsee kicks Yagisan off the face of the planet [04:13] also managing that rare skill of getting both feet in the mouth [04:13] and if you use tab completion, you dont get people's nick wrong... [04:14] I would but I can't type well with one hand on keyboard and one hand holding kid [04:14] ajmitch: it seems so [04:14] ajmitch: rare skill ? my friend, I have master the art of sticking my feet into my mouth, often up to the knee or higher [04:15] Yagisan: quite impressive [04:15] is this how the MOTU irc chat usually is? [04:15] after that kick, my back feels much better, thanks Hobbsee [04:15] ubuntuology: not usually [04:15] ubuntuology: ah...not usually... [04:15] Usually no one says anything :-) [04:15] hehe [04:15] we do often talk about development as well :) [04:15] oh yes...occasionally.. [04:16] lol [04:16] ubuntuology: no, but we do switch to dev work to. It's our social room and work room, === bddebian assigns all zope bugs to ajmitch [04:17] cool, I was reading the debian package guidelines and thought I'd watch conversations on IRC. I'm pretty new to ubuntu not the new to linux though. [04:17] bddebian: thanks [04:17] bddebian: I'll probably end up with them anyway, those that are in universe [04:17] ajmitch: Anytime buddy :-) [04:18] time to feed my little one. she's trying to help herself to the food. [04:18] just waiting for beta freeze to end, and the syncs that doko requested to go through [04:18] ajmitch: when's the beta out? [04:18] april 20 [04:18] biab. [04:18] all i know about is the kubuntu meeting next friday, which is after the beta [04:19] ajmitch: US april 20, i take it? === Hobbsee prepares to have her inbox flooded again then [04:20] I guess so [04:21] or maybe london time === Hobbsee nods [04:21] depends on what issues come up [04:21] mdz is apparantly in london at the moment [04:22] fair enough [04:22] so hopefully universe is in reasonable shape === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === VoX [n=vox@unaffiliated/vox] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] there seems to be a problem with gdesklets and seahorse under dapper on amd64 [04:27] during the last dist-upgrade, gdesklets was upgraded, but the upgrade failed when trying to overwrite /usr/share/mime/mime.cache, which is also in package seahorse. [04:27] when seahorse was removed, the upgrade finished without error. [04:27] when trying to re-install seahorse, the same problem arrose [04:31] VoX: have you filed bugs for these? [04:32] or checked for existing bugs in these packages [04:36] there's a bug listed for i386, but not a64 [04:36] it'll be the same on all architectures, most bugs aren't arch-specific [04:36] righto === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === VoX [n=vox@unaffiliated/vox] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:11] are there any packages for madwifi-ng drivers in dapper? [05:11] talk to Unfrgiven [05:11] he's been working on some === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] attempting to build them but it complains about /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build dir missing [05:13] and you have the appropriate headers installed? [05:14] prolly not ;) [05:14] then install them.. === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:14] ya think :)? [05:14] ok guys (and gal) I've got a pic on my LP page if anybody is interested (I don't know why you would but...) : https://launchpad.net/people/mantha [05:15] frellin laptop needs wireless again... [05:15] today seems to be a day for photos [05:16] sure [05:16] physical chemistry eh? [05:16] gah [05:16] jmg: problems? [05:17] how do i attach a patch to a bug in malone? [05:17] I suppose I'll be good and leave that one alone ;) [05:17] jmg: you have to file the bug first, then add attachment [05:17] ajmitch: it only has "add comment" [05:17] I think add attachment is on the left this week [05:17] chillywilly: heck yeah! chemistry rulz ;-) [05:18] let's see if network manager can find my wireless [05:18] in the portlet that starts with 'overview' === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:21] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088 [05:21] Malone bug 40088 in kernel-package "[PATCH] Support i386 Xen subarch" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [05:21] found it :) [05:21] great [05:21] now to build xen 3.0.2 :) [05:24] Xen huh [05:24] wha? [05:25] Kyral go back to sleep sorry :) [05:25] What about Xen? :D [05:25] *twitch* === Kyral smacks jmg [05:25] Kyral read the bug report [05:25] and now the network manager doesn't show up in the notfication thingy at all... [05:26] You cannot use Xen with the 2.6.16 Kernels [05:26] hell IIRC you can only use it with the 2.6.11 kernel === jmg smacks Kyral [05:26] get with the program [05:26] What> [05:26] xen 3.0.2 is a patch to 2.6.12 [05:27] er [05:27] 2.6.16* [05:27] okay [05:27] didn't know that lol [05:27] my server is still running Xen 2 :P [05:27] jmg: thanks for doing that, I was tempted to do that smacking myself :) === Kyral falls down [05:27] So unloved..... [05:27] Kyral seems to have the bddebian complex :-) [05:27] huh? === LaserJock smacks Kyral, jeeze pay attention ;-) [05:29] Kyral: does that Xen stuff work pretty well? [05:29] LaserJock, yanno my domain? [05:29] Azuredreams.us? [05:29] yeah [05:29] completely powered by Xen === bddebian hugs Kyral :-) [05:30] LaserJock: http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/etch-on-dapper-.jpg [05:30] Actually its Etch on Breezy lol [05:30] Kyral you fool, its dapper [05:30] not mine! [05:30] Would YOU use Dapper for a server right now?! [05:30] Im not talking about yours [05:31] I wouldnt use ubuntu for a server right now :-) [05:31] I didn't have a Debian install disc on me :P [05:31] I'm going to make a BetaRlease server ;-) [05:31] Breezy is the Hypervisor [05:31] the domains themselves are Debian [05:31] That's stupid :) === chillywilly hugs bddebian [05:32] :-) [05:32] LaserJock: im going to make xenubuntu livedvd :) === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:32] so can you run an OS from Ubuntu with it? [05:32] any I mean [05:32] not XP [05:32] nor OSX [05:32] the kernel of the OS itself has to be patched [05:32] blarg... [05:33] boot the casper livecd images of the other ubuntus in xen [05:33] the Guest Domain [05:33] what happened to the network manager applet... [05:33] Kyral not if you use vmx [05:33] vmx? [05:33] intel virtualisation crap [05:33] is that that built in virtualization stuff the new Intels have? [05:33] yes [05:33] yah [05:34] dude [05:34] I'm shit poor [05:34] use qemu [05:34] I've played a bit with qemu on my macintel but so far it is just emulation and pretty slow [05:34] but then you still need a Linux XenGuest to run it one [05:34] I run qemu inside xen [05:34] and xen inside qemu inside xen [05:35] :-) [05:35] yikes [05:35] That would get horrible I think [05:35] laserJock: best way to test xen-unstable [05:35] even with KQemu [05:35] Kyral: its pretty bad [05:35] Kyral: but better than rebooting to a crash [05:35] I think I'm just going to have to wait until Dapper+1 or something before I get Ubuntu on this thing :( [05:38] right now my Ubuntu box is in pieces, I'm going to merge 2 computers into one and then I'll put Dapper Beta Release on it as a server [05:39] what's the --sm-disable arg mean for an applet? === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] whoops [05:40] chillywilly: disable session-management, I imagine [05:41] ok [05:41] the man page tells you where to look to get it to show up in the notification area but the README it talks about does not exist... === ajmitch never worried about it [05:42] it just worked for me :) [05:44] well it's running in the background but it's not there === No1Viking [n=Viking@h-83-140-104-3.ip.cust.port80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] hmmm...whatis my passphrase... [05:53] :))) [05:53] looks like it is working === tdjb [n=tdjb@209.151.52.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] bah... [06:12] running wpa_supplicant by hand and then bringing the interface up /etc/network/interfaces worked fine === Yagisan returns to continue digging my hole [06:14] Yagisan: don't worry, hobbsee seems to have gone anyway :) [06:14] pity, I was hoping you could lend me a shovel [06:14] oh no, I was happy to let you dig all by yourself [06:14] you were doing a superb job [06:15] not really. My form is down this week [06:15] normally I get a response much quicker, but it must be the cold I've caught [06:15] hopefully you haven't scared her off for good [06:16] nah [06:16] she'll be back. [06:16] no doubt [06:18] time for me to wander off back to the flat & waste time there instead of here [06:18] LaserJock looks rather purple in his photo [06:18] ajmitch @ work ? [06:18] at uni, in the CS lab wasting time :) [06:18] I was meant to be working today but still don't have access to the boxes [06:18] Yagisan: purple, hmmm [06:18] tomorrow, we hope.. [06:19] ajmitch: I'm waiting to see if my application to join upstream for my beloved deng is accepted [06:19] good luck [06:19] ajmitch: I'm the last linux user left to care for it, [06:20] ajmitch: so I spent last night actually getting it to build again [06:20] heh [06:21] anyway, I'll be back later [06:21] no worries, catch you later ajmitch === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:39] that frellin applet doesn't work... :-/ === sophie^ [n=student@210.5.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=ubuntu@host126-120.pool870.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-motu === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] mornin [07:45] hi phanatic [07:45] hey Gloubiboulga :) === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dewd [n=dewd@201.29.127.220] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === suodla [n=adpenara@202.175.214.54] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] hi all, got a package that no longer has the old debian version 0.20, debian is on 0.23 ubuntu is still on 0.20, what would be the sync procedure in this case? === selinium [n=selinium@82-45-118-133.stb.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] cbx33: write up an upstream version freeze exception report, detailing why it should be updated, and giving the diffstat & changelog diff [09:02] instructions are on the wiki somewhere if I can find them :) [09:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus [09:04] err, tortho in #ubuntu-bugs just confirmed Bug 5153 - which should be fixed by changing a couple of dependencies... [09:04] Malone bug 5153 in mythplugins "MythWeb Dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/5153 [09:04] thanx ajmitch [09:05] ajmitch: I've never done a UVF pacakge before....what's a diffstat, and against what do i do the diff of the upstream [09:06] if you have time [09:08] you do a recursive diff of the 2 upstream trees [09:08] eg diff -Naur package-0.20 package-0.23 | diffstat > file === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] of the source trees? [09:10] forgive me stupidity here [09:11] yes [09:11] is that the original sources, unmodified? [09:12] or against the debian.23 qand the ubuntu .20 === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] unmodified sources, iirc [09:25] ubuntu xen 3.0.2 packages -> deb http://debian.thoughtcrime.co.nz/ubuntu/ dapper main xen [09:25] vote for me: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088 [09:25] Malone bug 40088 in kernel-package "[PATCH] Support i386 Xen subarch" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [09:25] thank you ajmitch [09:25] jmg: vote for you? bugfixing is hardly a democracy :) [09:26] jmg: bugs in malone are not "voted for", please stop spamming the development channels. [09:26] Mithrandir: ack === herzi [n=herzi@c220117.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:28] Mithrandir: apologies === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0B89.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-102-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] ah dang it [10:08] what looked like a simple solution has now turned into a string of dependencies === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] I need to resync two packages at least which means getting to UVFs === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] something i don;tthink will happen this latein the game [10:18] I'll repackage anyway and submit to the team === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] hi everyone [10:34] hi Hobbsee [10:35] :) there is someone around [10:35] welcome back [10:35] sure :) [10:35] thanks :) === ajmitch never really leaves [10:35] hehe - you live here? [10:35] at times I wonder [10:35] hehe [10:35] any more botspam? [10:36] plenty [10:36] seveas is around to deal with it now [10:37] hehe oh good === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] dist-upgrade is taking awhile tonight [10:40] ~70K/sec [10:44] beats 10K/s shaped? :) [10:44] a bit :) [10:45] though I've only used 15GB, with 4 days to go in the billing cycle === StevenK belatedly jumps on Hobbsee. === Hobbsee swears and curses [10:48] hi StevenK [10:48] ajmitch: hehe true [10:49] warning: typing may well be baf [10:49] s/baf/bad === StevenK finally figures out what is wrong with his prac for SP2. [10:49] hello StevenK === StevenK waves [10:51] ajmitch: glad to see that they've all gone to #kde now... [10:52] oh that's good [10:52] nobody uses those channels :) [10:53] how is kubuntu going now? [10:54] everything sorted for the beta? [10:54] hehe [10:54] i'm not sure... [10:55] *falls off chair* - ouch! [10:55] sounds like a silly thing to do [10:55] yeah, to go and injure myself more, great [10:55] heh [10:56] Hobbsee: I heard about the accident, you're okay? [10:56] StevenK: yeah, i am [10:56] as long as you can still work a computer & fix packages :) [10:56] ajmitch [10:56] Hobbsee [10:56] ajmitch: well, it's kinda hard to type, seeing as i just cut up my finger a bit... [10:56] ouch === StevenK had someone hit his car on the M4 last week. [10:57] eek! [10:57] It was just a love tap, so no damage. [10:57] so you were one of thoes many accidents hey? [10:57] lol niccccccccccccccce! [10:57] work you silly C key, dammit! === Hobbsee maintains that bandaids are bad for typing! [10:58] what did you do to slice up your finger? [10:58] Hobbsee: Note that the C key is working, just a little too well. [10:58] Hobbsee: What about a liquid bandaid? [10:58] ajmitch: peeling potatoes... [10:59] ah.. [10:59] blood everywhere without a bandaid, which is kinda inconvenient... [10:59] s4et... it is now, yes. just not when i first wanted it too [10:59] especially when you don't want to get blood all over the potatoes [10:59] or my keyboard [10:59] mum finished the potatoes [11:00] and it was on your writing hand, too? [11:01] no, other hand [11:01] not so bad then [11:01] not the hand i use for the touchpad at work either, which is good [11:02] Oh, bloody hell. [11:03] The totals are still different. [11:03] what are you working on? [11:03] A prac for uni. [11:04] ah, nice [11:04] Async I/O under Windows. === ajmitch has a raytracer to get working for uni [11:04] Right, works. [11:05] 103 lines of C to do the exercise, and a 20 line C++ program to generate the file required for the exercise. [11:05] StevenK: so a good rm -rf *.cpp would do wonders? === Hobbsee ducks [11:06] Hobbsee: The C++ file I can write off the top of my head. [11:06] Hobbsee: and replace it with C# or something? [11:07] well, and whatever the extnesion of c files are === StevenK gags ajmitch. [11:07] ajmitch: yeah, something like that [11:07] Hobbsee: .c? :-) [11:07] ah ok === StevenK ponders hurting Hobbsee's head with Windows C code. [11:08] StevenK: cruel & unusual punishment === StevenK grins evilly. [11:08] hehe === Hobbsee ponders hurting StevenK with a large baseball bat === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee and StevenK === Hobbsee pokes Mithrandir sharply in the ribs === Mithrandir gets blood on his shirt === StevenK ponders finding dinner. [11:10] i'm wearing a bandiad now silly - hence the dodgy typing [11:10] Hobbsee: What's your excuse the rest of the time? === Hobbsee offers StevenK some of the chips she bougth last night === StevenK ducks. === Hobbsee doesnt type dodgily, the rest of the time :P === StevenK should go and put some rice on to cook. [11:11] silly StevenK [11:15] hm === Hobbsee ponders [11:16] Mithrandir: how's the release shaping up? [11:16] ajmitch: a bit too much of a disarray still, but I'm hoping we'll be able to pull it off for tomorrow. [11:16] ajmitch: LP being slow is seriously hampering us, though [11:17] doesn't surprise me [11:17] Mithrandir: is the search borked today, or working? :P [11:17] Hobbsee: for malone? [11:17] ajmitch: yes [11:17] Hobbsee: no idea. [11:18] afaik it's not too badly broken today [11:18] hey ajmitch [11:18] ajmitch: the pacakge i was fixing, is dependant on another package that hasn't been synced [11:18] and that depends on another [11:19] eeek what a mess [11:20] hey lifeless, how's it going? [11:20] cbx33: often the way === Hobbsee wavs to lifeless [11:20] s/wavs/waves === lifeless waves around [11:21] ajmitch: good, debsigging [11:21] nice [11:24] hi === ajmitch hasn't been to any debian/ubuntu-related meetups since LCA [11:24] hello Toadstool [11:24] good morning ajmitch [11:25] morning all [11:25] morning sivang [11:25] hey Toadstool [11:26] dinner [11:26] ajmitch: dude, come to sydney [11:26] ajmitch: we have them monthly [11:27] it'd be fun [11:27] maybe next year :) [11:27] lifeless: that'd be fun. where at? [11:28] Hobbsee_away: Don't you read the SLUG list? [11:28] Hobbsee_away: cohi bar [11:28] StevenK: no [11:28] Hobbsee_away: eaten dinner already? :) [11:28] ajmitchn [11:28] ajmitch: no, i'm gionfg... [11:28] lol === Hobbsee_away is really awway === ajmitch is still on the LUV & mlug lists, for some reason [11:28] cursed finger... [11:31] lifeless: I'll probably move to .au in a year or two anyway - currently I'm thinking of melbourne since I have a few contacts there [11:32] though there seem to be enough sydney people in here === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] hi [11:34] hi zakame [11:35] hello ajmitch :) [11:40] lifeless: fyi, I seem to have a branch that's confusing bzr - bzr info says it's format 6, bzr check says format 4 [12:06] zakame: I get md5sum mismatch when doign apt-get source digikam [12:06] so it's not just you seeing problems :) [12:06] thanks ajmitch :) === vincediesel [n=vince@host181-45.pool8710.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:09] ajmitch: shouldn't be confused, thats probably different fields its reporting on === vincediesel [n=vince@host181-45.pool8710.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:10] lifeless: right, then the problem is that I can't do bzr status [12:11] :0:> bzr status [12:11] bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/home/ajmitch/debian/phpgroupware/phpgroupware/phpgroupware-0.9.16.010/debian/.bzr/pending-merges': [Errno 2] No such file or directory: u'/home/ajmitch/debian/phpgroupware/phpgroupware/phpgroupware-0.9.16.010/debian/.bzr/pending-merges' [12:11] ajmitch: theres this channel, #bzr [12:11] I know.. :) [12:11] and its quite good at things like this :) [12:11] but it's a whole 2 keystrokes to change channels [12:12] you pushed over sftp using 0.8pre and a 0.7 branch format [12:12] know glitch [12:12] right [12:14] ajmitch: That's a wierd promot [12:14] Er, prompt [12:14] StevenK: it's just part of it [12:15] ajmitch: But ending a prompt with a > ? [12:15] why not? :) [12:16] It just seems strange - I'm used to %, $ and # [12:17] I'm a strange sort of person === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] hi \sh ! [12:21] <\sh> huhu [12:21] hey \sh [12:22] hi \sh :) [12:23] <\sh> guys, managed to get the freelance job :) [12:25] rocking! === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] \sh: congrats! [12:25] <\sh> ajmitch: now only the money transfer is missing :) [12:25] heh [12:27] hice one \sh [12:27] my wifes a free lance web designer, what freelance are you doing? [12:27] <\sh> cbx33: the official title is senior system administrator :) right now, I'm responsible to setup some fai servers for different network clouds :) [12:27] \sh: blogged it yet? :) [12:28] <\sh> ajmitch: no nda :) [12:28] yay [12:28] <\sh> everything is top secret :) [12:30] ooooooooh === cbx33 is impressed [12:30] \sh: So now you've told us a little, you need to kill us? [12:31] <\sh> i didn't tell anyone anything :) [12:33] of course not [12:34] we know nothing [12:35] are universe/multiver uploads delayed today due to the beta release? [12:35] probably [12:36] zakame: they might be lower priority, but they're not "blocked and queued up" afaik [12:36] ah [12:36] Kamion cant wait hours for someone who sneaks a bunch of universe builds up in his way [12:36] I thought my dh_iconcache uploads are >/dev/null :/ [12:37] so, be polite [12:37] ok =) === nomed [n=nomed@host49-57.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:47] \sh: grats mate! === kelmo [n=kelmo@madwifi/support/kelmo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.8] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] ajmitch: oh good! join us in sydney. [01:15] better than melbourne.. [01:16] blasphemy [01:16] hehe === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@DSL217-132-52-110.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sloo-m [i=sovvy200@82-47-24-19.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sloo-m [i=sovvy200@82-47-24-19.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slougi [n=slougi@a88-113-148-133.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] Morning [01:55] hi all, "feature freeze" == no updated packages? [01:55] morning Kyral [01:57] and bye again :P === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:58] heylo === Unfrgiven [n=ankur@ubuntu/member/unfrgiven] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole [n=kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] no uploads, even bug fixes, until after the beta, right? === herzi [n=herzi@d044176.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] Hobbsee: you might want to tell bdebian about that [02:07] zul: okay, cool, will do. the guy didnt assign it === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === G0SUB_ [i=ghoseb@2001:5c0:8f54:1:0:0:2:1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] Hobbsee: uploading to universe is ok though [02:13] well since noone answered my previous question ;) I will ask another one: if I want to request a package (mercurial) to be updated, how do I go about doing it? [02:14] woah! dapper+1 = edgy eft! [02:15] slougi: is it already in ubuntu and or debian? [02:15] and is the update just bug fixes, or a proper update? [02:15] Hobbsee: it's in universe [02:15] Hobbsee: a proper update [02:15] from 0.7 (currently in universe) to 0.8.1 [02:15] slougi: it'll have to wait till dapper+1 then [02:16] ah right [02:16] wasn't clear on the policy on updates === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] \sh: hey dude === sovvy2009 [i=sovvy200@82-47-24-19.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] slougi: afaik, anyway === sovvy2009 [i=sovvy200@82-47-24-19.cable.ubr01.brom.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:19] ok === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] <\sh> re === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host211-124.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] any motu's around? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.23] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] \sh: congratulations on the new job! :) [03:40] <\sh> siretart: thx [03:45] \sh: what are you going to be doing? [03:46] <\sh> zul: right now I have a freelancer job :) [03:47] cool.. === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-207-70.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@125.212.120.175] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] yay. finally I got the lastfm package from debian working on dapper.. [04:13] whoa [04:14] it requires the newer libqt4 from debian, I merged the changes locally, but I'm not sure if they are suitable for dapper === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mode/#ubuntu-motu [+oo Hobbsee Ubugtu] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-motu [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ [04:17] might help [04:21] gnarf. the debdiff on libqt4 alone is 400k big. :/ [04:21] Hobbsee: why does Ubugtu need to be operator? [04:22] siretart: i was under the impression that to boot a user, for a massive spam attack, the person/bot who's doign the booting needs to be an op [04:22] at least, that's how it works in #ubuntu/#kubuntu, IIRC, with the exploits [04:24] Hobbsee, #ubuntu-motu hasn't been attacked [04:24] so it's not needed [04:24] oh. yet. === Hobbsee goes off and hides. === Hobbsee has seen multiple channels get hit multiple times - hard to remember which ones have and havent - and why some are getting hit, as opposed to others === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Seveas"] === Ubugtu [n=bugbot@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee also tends to use the "safe rather than sorry method, but oh well === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:18] dholbach: ping [05:18] freeflying: pong [05:19] dholbach: how about the UVFe of cmake [05:19] freeflying: bug no? [05:20] bug 36168 [05:20] Malone bug 36168 in cmake "need new release for build kde4 package " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36168 [05:22] freeflying: can you attach a diff of the ChangeLog? [05:22] freeflying: the changes are fairly large [05:23] dholbach: author hasn't provide the Changelog [05:24] freeflying: is there any information on any website so we can check WHAT was changed in the 100.000 lines of changes? [05:24] dholbach: just a moment , I show you the website of cmake [05:25] freeflying: attach it to the bug report please [05:25] freeflying: I added some other requests as well [05:25] we have to be VERY careful [05:25] cmake is a piece of infrastructure which other packages may use [05:25] dholbach: okey [05:29] is there karma for uploads? [05:29] "rng-tools - Daemon to use a Hardware TRNG" [05:29] wow, what a helpful description :) [05:30] why didnt he directly write "rng-tools - tools for rng" ? [05:30] ogra: isnt it [05:30] no idea, since i dont know what trng is ;) [05:31] me either.. [05:31] i just fix bugs..:) [05:31] :) [05:32] is universe currently frozen with regard to [05:33] *to package updates [05:34] like bug fixes? [05:35] bugfixes are generally fine [05:35] no, version bumps [05:35] guess it is [05:37] wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperRessources tells you about syncs but you need upstream versin freeze exceptions for all newer upstrem versions ... we might lock down even more after beta release (tomorrow) [05:41] so no chance of a mercurial version bump from 0.7 to 0.8? :) [05:42] slougi: file a UVF exception and we'll see [05:42] right [05:42] it shouldnd just add random new featurews [05:42] but close serious bugs [05:43] then you'll get it through more easy [05:43] (the smaller the diff between the packages that has to be reviewed, the easier it gets) [05:44] it's more in line with "Minor fixes, if the upstream change is a micro-increment (or equivalent)" [05:44] they did bump the version number, but the changes are quite minimal, mainly ui convenience [05:44] anyway, food, bbiab [05:44] no serious bugfixes then ? === JohnnyMast [n=rave@84-104-9-27.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host67-171.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] slomo: one of the more serious bugs on vlc (crashes on matroska files) requires a svn snap, which I'm sure isn't the optimal solution. Backporting all the necessary patches has become an NP-hard problem, so I'm not inclined to attempt it any further. So our choices are to either ignore the matroska issue and disable matroska support for Dapper's vlc, or attempt a svn snap (which closes another stacking bug as well). Opinions? [05:54] crimsun: what other changes are in svn? [05:54] crimsun: anything great and experimental? ;) [05:54] slomo: tons, nearly all bug fixes [05:55] sounds good... why don't you want a svn snapshot? [05:55] supporting a svn snap (like the previous cups in main issue) for 3+ years is not my idea of fun [05:57] I'll roll a svn snap, call for testers, and have a better idea if a UVF exception is necessary by next week [05:57] crimsun: hehe ok :) could you convince upstream to make a release? ;) [05:58] slomo: upstream is not so easily persuaded, unfortunately [05:58] ah, like the mplayer guys? ;) [05:58] heh === crimsun scurries to lecture === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:31] I never heard of an Eft before :\ [06:31] eft? [06:32] yes, Edgy Eft [06:33] it's a young newt, apparently === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@200.72.74.29] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@acw237.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jabra_ [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ubuntuology [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jabra_ is now known as jabra === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@port169-122.ubs.maxnet.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille_ [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === grr [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] morning MOTULand [08:11] hi LaserJock [08:12] hi jpatrick [08:14] LaserJock: morning :) [08:14] ahh, looks like KDE is awake anyway ;-) [08:27] whre is the annoucement of Edgy Eft? [08:28] u-d-a [08:28] hmm, I haven't gotten it yet, must be because I batch u-d-a [08:29] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064.html [08:30] hmm, yeah, I don't see it in u-d-a [08:30] go for edgy [08:30] so "Distribution = Edgy" from now on? [08:31] from now on ? [08:31] we're only in beta freeze of dapper :) [08:32] ogra: well, new packages on REVU :-) === carthik_zzz [n=carthik@user-0cej755.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock has to do some string replacements in the Ubuntu Packaging Guide now ;-) === jpatrick has to study for exam === fredix [n=fredix@202.70.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205780.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:07] anyone know if somebody has made packages for the D compiler? [09:07] there is a gcc frontend [09:07] pvanhoof did, I heard [09:07] ;) [09:08] for FC [09:08] not for Ubuntu === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] there have been since December 2004 according to google [09:08] ah === wasabi [n=wasabi@207.55.180.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@lns02-0391.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] anyone interested in revival of ebuntu? [09:26] meaning? [09:26] enlightenment [09:26] i havent used enlightenment for ages [09:27] well... i love it [09:27] ubuntu has all the packages needed to make it great [09:28] ivoks: in dapper ? [09:29] yes [09:29] i have setup: [09:30] e16+trayer+gkrellm+gnome-volume-manager+gnome-power-manager+network-manager+nm-applet+gnome-screensaver [09:30] all this under 80MB of RAM === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:30] sylpheed-claws-gtk2 as email client [09:30] ivoks: what is the current status of ebuntu [09:30] LaserJock: dead [09:30] ivoks, only if you rename it [09:30] ogra: i agree :) [09:31] maybe Eubuntu :) [09:31] ivoks: really? monzie didn't want to do more? [09:31] LaserJock: i don't see anything happening [09:31] and i really dislike e17 [09:31] i hope it never gets released :) [09:31] is ebuntu still done with checkinstall? [09:31] I believe so [09:32] how Edgy [09:32] ivoks: it'll be released soon :) [09:32] zul, eubuntu "bruxelles breaker" ? [09:32] but we kinda told monzie that it wouldn't make Dapper so I think that probably was a bit of a turnoff [09:32] hehe.. [09:32] nomed: don't talk like that! it might happen, you know :) [09:33] ivoks: yes it'll happen soon .. serously :) [09:33] he can't really expect a big thing like this to be released if it's done with checkinstall, can he? I mean, with no dependency handling and such [09:33] LaserJock: well, ebuntu or whatever we would call it, can't make into dapper [09:33] dolson: that's cause he wants e17 [09:34] nomed: well, then e17 needs new theme [09:34] i had more robust, old-school desktop, on my mind [09:34] with new fancy things like automounting (g-v-m), power saving (g-p-m) [09:37] xfce doesn't look lightweight anymore :/ [09:37] it looks like... well... gnome :) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] looks aren't everything [09:38] dolson: it feels like gnome === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] The "Edgy Efit" eh? :D [09:39] but it's ok project and i'm sure lots of people love and use it [09:39] Eft [09:40] Edgy Eft is Eff'd [09:40] I hope they use Fuzzy Ferret next [09:40] I kinda like Mark's idea [09:40] the way I read it was "Guys....go wild" === Kyral grins :D [09:41] who was talking about Xen integration last night? [09:41] jmg I think === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] Should I spec it now? [09:42] Because I <3 Xen and would LOVE to work on it === Kyral has a buncha ideas...but doesn't know if they are good ones :P [09:44] Somehow I have the feeling that Edgy will be a little more "dev" oriented.... [09:44] or at least have more features for devs [09:44] ping jmg [09:44] ivoks: i would say e17 needs dbus, hal and a fm :) [09:45] Do we even have the "GNOME" package? [09:45] nomed: right === G0SUB_ [i=ghoseb@ubuntu-in.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral is energized now :D [09:49] Anyone can add a spec right? [09:53] Kyral: yes, I believe so [09:53] well, there is already a Xen thing on the Specs... [09:53] I should probably get some going myself [09:53] hmm, I think I can work with jmg on it [09:54] I wanna give an option almost like Debian [09:54] I mean, instead of installing Ubuntu-Desktop to get GNOME [09:54] you should be able to install just "GNOME" [09:54] not all the other crap :D === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205611.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] well... 'night guys [09:59] if I make a change to a package that definitely won't rate a version bump on its own, should I still make a changelog entry with a new version number and submit a debdiff, or is it sufficient to just submit a diff? [10:00] current example: adding a spanish translation to firefox.desktop [10:00] has anyone considered installing 64bit vmware and trying to fix the adm64 bugs? [10:01] trappist: yeah, if you don't think it warrants a new version just give a diff of the file you changed [10:01] LaserJock: thanks === nomed [n=nomed@host49-57.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:23] who do i contact to be added to the ubuntumembers group in launchpad? [10:25] nevermind.. [10:25] wait [10:27] uniq, you should register in the group, add your name to the next Community Council Agenda, and attend it. [10:33] Whee! My goodies from the FSF finally got here :D [10:42] thecore: i'm already approved. But thanks:) [10:43] uniq, ? [10:43] sorry.. wrong nick. [10:43] he [10:43] thesaltyd left. :] [10:43] and i love tab-completion. [10:44] uniq: same-here :) [10:44] uniq: nice coincidence, though === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] heylo [10:51] hi zul [10:52] zul: you said before about using 64-bit vmware.. why? :) === cartesian1984 [n=cartesia@24-51-94-14.kntnny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:54] Salutations, I was wondering if there was any intention of including WASTE in universe by the dapper release. [10:54] not knowing what it is, I'd say there's very little chance [10:56] since someone would have to get it packaged & tested in a short amount of time [10:56] When is software freeze? [10:56] about a month or two ago [10:56] Ouch.... [10:56] Oh well. [10:56] ajmitch: verify the bugs that say that arent working on amd64, i dont have and amd64 [10:56] some exceptions can get made, but they'd be rare [10:57] zul: 64-bit vmware only works on an amd64 [10:57] oh...never mind..:) [10:57] cartesian1984: someone already requested it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates [10:57] zul: a growing number of us have real amd64 installs :) [10:57] yeah...yeah === ajmitch doesn't have a powerpc install at the moment === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205611.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu