[01:38] <chillywilly> how stable is dapper?
[01:42] <Kozuch> pretty good i just upgraded from breezy (i had to configure x server manually though)
[02:06] <LaserJock> grrr :(
[02:06] <Kyral> whats wrong LJ?
[02:12] <LaserJock> well, I wanted to play a game or something to relax. Of course I can't find anything much that will play on this stupid intel iMac
[02:16] <crimsun> hello? nethack?
[02:17] <crimsun> oh wait, how about the "close LP bugs" game? :)
[02:17] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[02:18] <LaserJock> crimsun: good point
[02:18] <crimsun> seriously, though, I'd be surprised if at least the ascii ones weren't playable
[02:19] <LaserJock> ahh, sweet tuxracer works
[02:20] <LaserJock> I was really hoping America's Army or Enemy Territory would work
[02:20] <lifeless> LaserJock: freeciv
[02:21] <Yagisan> LaserJock: Doom ;)
[02:21] <Yagisan> LaserJock: runs on everything from ipods to mainframes
[02:24] <LaserJock> lifeless: yeah, that might be nice. never played it before though
[02:25] <LaserJock> Yagisan: maybe
[02:25] <Unfrgiven> LaserJock: why wont America's Army or ET work on an intel imac?
[02:26] <Toadstool> hey LaserJock, looking for a game? :)
[02:26] <LaserJock> Unfrgiven: because it needs a x86 version for OSX
[02:26] <LaserJock> Toadstool: yeah, for an intel mac
[02:26] <Toadstool> angband :D
[02:41] <Toadstool> g'night everybody
[02:57] <bddebian> Sorry gang, what did I miss?  Can you all start over? :-)
[02:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, I was looking for games for my intel iMac ;-)
[02:59] <LaserJock> so we are staying very on topic :p
[02:59] <freeflying> LaserJock: how about you intel iMac?  :)
[03:00] <Yagisan> of course. You are intending to put Ubuntu on that mac right LaserJock ?
[03:00] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:00] <LaserJock> yes, as soon as I can (hopefully early Dapper+1)
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:00] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch
[03:00] <crimsun> no, he's going to give it to me with the great BdDebianIsAGod jedi mind trick that I'm using
[03:01] <LaserJock> right now my main bugs are with python related stuff (matplotlib and wxpython)
[03:01] <Yagisan> LaserJock: no, must give to me.
[03:02] <ajmitch> bddebian: why do you think crimsun hates you?
[03:02] <LaserJock> because he thinks everybody hates him
[03:02] <ajmitch> right
[03:02] <LaserJock> bddebian: ya know, my wife has a Masters in Counseling
[03:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: might be a good idea - get her to stop him saying he's stupid
[03:03] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[03:04] <ajmitch> how are you?
[03:04] <ajmitch> you have your own internet? :)
[03:04] <Hobbsee> no...lol
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i'm good, i booked in my car to be fixed...
[03:04] <ajmitch> how damaged was it?
[03:06] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you broke your car?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: no, some woman decided to reverse into me while i was stationary, down a one way street.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: about $500 damage on mine, more on hers...
[03:07] <bddebian> Damn women drivers
[03:07] <Hobbsee> haha @ bddebian
[03:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: run now while you still have the chance
[03:09] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: typical. No one looks where they go anymore
[03:09] <Hobbsee> too late...i've got my lovely large baseball bat here...
[03:09] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: so it seems.  and since when was reversing up a one way street legal anyway???
[03:10] <Hobbsee> yes, the nose of the car is pointing in the correct direction, but you're STILL GOING THE WRONG WAY!!!
[03:10] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it's not, but they give any dickhead a license now.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:10] <Hobbsee> i'm the p-plater - surely i should be at fault?  :P
[03:10] <Hobbsee> the woman who hit me would have been in her 40's or 50's
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: it's gotten harder, with the driving test
[03:12] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: really ? admittedly the last time I drove a car was up the m4 with the coppers behind me the whole way, some 7 years ago, but it shouldn't be too hard.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ouch...
[03:12] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: yeah...they can get pretty picky - i was lucky, getting thru first time :D
[03:12] <ajmitch> Yagisan: what were you being chased for? :)
[03:13] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no license.
[03:13] <ajmitch> niec
[03:14] <ajmitch> and you got out of jail ok? :)
[03:15] <bddebian> zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul
[03:15] <Unfrgiven> wow both Hobbsee and Yagisan are aussies... Hobbsee you're from Sydney too?
[03:15] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: yes
[03:15] <Yagisan> I pulled into the University of Western Sydney, left the card in the parking lot, mingled in with the students, and left via the student shuttle bus 8-)
[03:15] <Yagisan> s/card/car
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:15] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: hahaha! thats gold
[03:15] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: yes, they're taking over
[03:16] <ajmitch> Yagisan: well done ;)
[03:16] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: you mean we're taking over... all from sydney, thats cool!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: you're a sydney-sider too?
[03:16] <Unfrgiven> Hobbsee: Yagisan: where do you work?
[03:16] <Unfrgiven> Hobbsee: sure am!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: bilo.
[03:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: Unfrgiven even turned up at UDU
[03:16] <Hobbsee> woo!
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ah...i wasnt at that...
[03:17] <ajmitch> as did Yagisan
[03:17] <Unfrgiven> i lived across the road from UDU!!!
[03:17] <Unfrgiven> literally across the road
[03:17] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: self-employed http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[03:17] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: I lived across the ditch
[03:17] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:17] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: I probably met you, and don't remember your name or face.
[03:18] <ajmitch> Yagisan: we can pull up a photo, I'm sure his face is online somewhere
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yeah, there are probably pictures of all of you around...
[03:18] <Hobbsee> on launchpad maybe?
[03:18] <ajmitch> certainly
[03:18] <ajmitch> probably not on launchpad
[03:18] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder
[03:18] <ajmitch> lots of photo links
[03:18] <Yagisan> I couldn't find a picture of me, but the is a bloke that looks rather like me
[03:18] <Yagisan> s/the/their
[03:19] <Yagisan> bugger it. can't spell today
[03:20] <ajmitch> http://www.netsplit.com/events/2005/ubuntu-down-under/ubuntu-down-under-027.html
[03:20] <ajmitch> friendly elmo
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:22] <ajmitch> heh
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hey there is more than one woman there!
[03:23] <ajmitch> of course
[03:23] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yeah. they were mean. They only gave me 1 t-shirt :(
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:24] <Yagisan> only one. I mean, what do I wear while I was the first ?
[03:24] <Yagisan> s/was/wash
[03:24] <Hobbsee> you know what's weird?  ogr*a looks rather like a guy at my work...
[03:25] <ajmitch> Yagisan: I picked up another one in montreal
[03:26] <ajmitch> so at least I can alternate between them each week :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> hee
[03:26] <Unfrgiven> sorry, got a phone call. im sure i made it in the background at one photo
[03:27] <ajmitch> aha
[03:27] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/13477774/
[03:27] <Hobbsee> heh, we should have a new kubuntu logo of this - http://jriddell.org/photos/2005-04-24-sydney-possum.jpg  :D
[03:28] <ajmitch> yay, demonic possum
[03:28] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: yeah you can't really make me out there... wasnt there one big group photo somewhere?
[03:28] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: there was
[03:28] <Unfrgiven> http://image32.webshots.com/33/6/33/76/338863376AsRyZe_fs.jpg
[03:28] <ajmitch> hitting the irssi+screen bug
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: and you are which one, in that?
[03:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: on the right
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[03:29] <Yagisan> I took a bunch of guys on a short trip through kings cross at night. That was fun. Pity I don't see any photos
[03:29] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: were you at UDU as well?
[03:29] <LaserJock> I also found http://gallery.linuxguru.net/UbuntuDownUnder-4-2005/img_0257
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: you *wanted* photos from that???  Is there anything good that actually happens in the cross?
[03:29] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: yeah. I was conspicuous. i was the only guy there *without* a laptop
[03:30] <bddebian> heh
[03:30] <tritium> hey there bddebian
[03:30] <ajmitch> LaserJock: thanks for finding that bad photo
[03:30] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: i was there without a laptop too! my dell had died two wks before UDU! :(
[03:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you are most welcome ;-)
[03:30] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: which sucked because it meant that i kept going home to my desktop :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ah well, i'll show mine as well then...  http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/9838/hobbseecar10ii.jpg
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe poor Unfrgiven
[03:31] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[03:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the pre-crash shot?
[03:31] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: is that the car that got ran into?
[03:31] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes, that was taken on my birhtday last year...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes it is
[03:31] <tritium> Hi there LaserJock
[03:31] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I said, through - I took them cross the park, and down pitt street, so pitti could get a photo at martin & pitt sts, before going down to the opera house
[03:31] <ajmitch> blanked out numberplates & all :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: ah ok...lol
[03:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: the car was a birthday present? :)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> er, reputation :P
[03:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I blame sabdfl
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no it wasnt, but i got my licence that day...
[03:33] <ajmitch> he seems to pick such locations
[03:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:33] <Unfrgiven> Hobbsee: RTA gave u a license for your bday? ;)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> Unfrgiven: yeah...i took the test on that day, and passed
[03:33] <ajmitch> well done :)
[03:34] <bddebian> Ack, WTF happened to my Bugs in Universe url?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> thankyou :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i ate it...i was hungry
[03:34] <crimsun> bddebian: you don't have any bugs, remember?
[03:34] <bddebian> Well I hope it was good at least :-)
[03:34] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: so at what age can you get a license in .au?
[03:34] <bddebian> crimsun: I don't?
[03:34] <crimsun> bddebian: of course not, deities can't
[03:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: I thought you fixed them all
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: learners (with another driver in the car) at 16, provisional at 17, full licence at 19...
[03:35] <LaserJock> blink of an eye, "Thus spake bddebian"
[03:35] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you look like a twig in that picture!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe!  do i need to show my other one then?
[03:35] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: why not ?
[03:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: 19? man, that is old
[03:35] <Hobbsee> http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/4675/formal32zv.jpg
[03:35] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yeah, rather
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: that pic, the lighting is wrong - but it does more or less show how thin i am
[03:36] <Hobbsee> well, it would better if i hadnt had my arms folded...
[03:36] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: jeeze, I was married at 19
[03:36] <bddebian> Why do you guys tease me, knowing I'm not very bright? :'-(
[03:37] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: you do eat right ? you don't just look at the food and go "I'm full" ?
[03:37] <LaserJock> Yagisan: lol
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: because you prove the contrary
[03:37] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: now that's scary...
[03:37] <Yagisan> I was married at 20
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: sorta...most of the time...i'm a little hypoglycaemic, so i kinda have to...
[03:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: thin doesn't begin to describe that photo :)
[03:37] <Yagisan> actually, that was the earliest age I could marry in Japan
[03:37] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: and I was almost in grad school
[03:37] <Hobbsee> work does get in the way though
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: lol!
[03:38] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: wow thats young!
[03:38] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: how old are you now?
[03:38] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: 24
[03:38] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I think crimsun likes to chastise me
[03:38] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's my job
[03:39] <bddebian> Ah
[03:39] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: 7 years with the same woman. almost time for a celebrity style divorce
[03:39] <ajmitch> that way you can just put me on /ignore & not have to worry
[03:39] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: haha. you're just missing the celebrity part ;)
[03:39] <bddebian> So what's up with the search.  Now searching bugs in Ubuntu for Universe I get 10
[03:40] <Hobbsee> bddebian: it's borked again?
[03:40] <LaserJock> yeah, the shouldn't be filed against "ubuntu"
[03:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: I would never put you on ignore honey
[03:40] <Yagisan> shit. I think I found a picture of me at UDU
[03:40] <ajmitch> Yagisan: where?
[03:41] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: do share
[03:41] <Yagisan> http://gallery.linuxguru.net/UbuntuDownUnder-4-2005/img_0311
[03:41] <Yagisan> that unshaven guy with the had on backwards looks like me
[03:41] <ajmitch> bddebian: I find 1471 universe bugs
[03:41] <bddebian> ajmitch: URL?
[03:41] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: with the brown shirt?
[03:41] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's bradb
[03:42] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: thats what i was gonna say
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-priority%2C-severity&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.component=3&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_no_pac
[03:42] <ajmitch> don't you love launchpad URLs?
[03:42] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: woah!
[03:42] <Yagisan> I need tho scan a pic of myself
[03:42] <bddebian> No :-)
[03:42] <Yagisan> I'm freaked out
[03:42] <ajmitch> that was the result of going to distros/ubuntu/+bugs, then advanced search
[03:42] <ajmitch> tick universe, hit search
[03:42] <Yagisan> there are people that look like me =-O
[03:42] <ajmitch> Yagisan: only from the side
[03:43] <LaserJock> Yagisan: maybe they need retinal scans at the dev conferences so they can determine who is who ;-)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: tinyurl.com?  :P
[03:44] <Hobbsee> well at least i wouldnt be hard to find :P
[03:45] <Hobbsee> if i were there
[03:45] <ajmitch> I think I've got a few UDU photos
[03:46] <ajmitch> none from UBZ, with the camera+laptop going AWOL
[03:46] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: you never know, there might be dozens of skinny girls there ;-)
[03:46] <Yagisan> I'll hunt up and scan a few pics of me after lunch
[03:46] <Unfrgiven> alrighty all, ive gotta go... its time for ultimate frisbee!
[03:46] <ajmitch> have fun :)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: girls + ubuntu = a fairly rare combination
[03:46] <Hobbsee> have fun Unfrgiven!
[03:46] <ajmitch> you mean girls+ubuntu+involved in development
[03:47] <ajmitch> since we seem to scare away most of them
[03:47] <LaserJock> what US?
[03:47] <LaserJock> no way
[03:47] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ah yes, of course
[03:48] <Yagisan> LaserJock: with what 100 of us trying to hit on the same girl, no, they don't last long
[03:48] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[03:48] <bddebian> heh
[03:48] <LaserJock> well, as long as it isn't tooo obvious ;-)
[03:48] <ajmitch> Yagisan: and that's even with quite a few of them being married..
[03:49] <Yagisan> ajmitch: hey, according to my wife, I only hit on the slanty chicks
[03:49] <ajmitch> haha
[03:49] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:49] <Hobbsee> good thing i've developed a thick skin :D
[03:50] <ajmitch> heh
[03:51] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: do you really get hit on that much? I hope -motu is above that sort of behaviour :-)
[03:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, she gets jumped on here more than hit on
[03:51] <LaserJock> ah yes, StevenK and his acrobatics ;-)
[03:52] <Yagisan> my wife isn't happy when I'm in Japan, at Tokyo Disney, watching the parade is like watching some soft-porn movie. :-D
[03:52] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: nah, not here.  there are a couple of times where i'm a bit...hmmm...starting to think "okay, leave me alone", but i dont think that's really from you guys.  At work it's far more common
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hehe @ the jumping on
[03:53] <Hobbsee> it's okay when i can laugh at it, and enjoy it - but as soon as it starts to make me uncomfortable or whatever, then...well that's when it should stop lol
[03:55] <ajmitch> as long as people get the hint to stop :)
[03:55] <Hobbsee> heh yeah...they usually do...
[03:55] <Hobbsee> or i sign out, either way
[03:55] <bddebian> There sure have been a lot of "In Progress" bugs that have been in progress for a while :-)
[03:56] <bddebian> Hey jaldhar
[03:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: of course, we're lazy
[03:57] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, well it isn't so easy for some of us mere mortals
[03:57] <Yagisan> here we are. This is an older picture of me (after a shave) http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/Yagisan.jpg
[03:57] <jaldhar> bddebian: hello again
[03:58] <LaserJock> btw, I just fired up America's Army on the macintel. It's very slow, but it works.
[03:58] <ajmitch> Yagisan: haha, nice pic there :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe!
[03:59] <bddebian> There you guys go again
[03:59] <Yagisan> that was when my parents in law visited last year. My little girl is much bigger now
[04:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: don't worry, I don't plan to worship you ;)
[04:00] <bddebian> I had no doubts about that
[04:00] <ajmitch> haha
[04:03] <Yagisan> here we are. last pic. me when I was young and handsome. http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/yagi_and_yama.jpg
[04:04] <Yagisan> I look so old now
[04:07] <Hobbsee> pretty :)
[04:09] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yeah she is, but she's also blind. I mean, she picked me, so she obviously can't see well
[04:09] <Hobbsee> really?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: is your daughter blind as well then?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> or did she miss out on that?
[04:09] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: too literal!
[04:11] <ajmitch> haha
[04:11] <ubuntuology> * Yagisan wonders if Hobsee fancies him
[04:11] <Yagisan> cool
[04:11] <ubuntuology> sorry
[04:12] <ubuntuology> didn't mean to type that
[04:12] <Yagisan> damm, I was hoping for more echos
[04:13] <ajmitch> I think we're all just watching you dig the hole
[04:13] <Hobbsee> what????
[04:13] <ajmitch> also managing that rare skill of getting both feet in the mouth
[04:13] <Hobbsee> and if you use tab completion, you dont get people's nick wrong...
[04:14] <Yagisan> I would but I can't type well with one hand on keyboard and one hand holding kid
[04:14] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it seems so
[04:14] <Yagisan> ajmitch: rare skill ? my friend, I have master the art of sticking my feet into my mouth, often up to the knee or higher
[04:15] <ajmitch> Yagisan: quite impressive
[04:15] <ubuntuology> is this how the MOTU irc chat usually is?
[04:15] <Yagisan> after that kick, my back feels much better, thanks Hobbsee
[04:15] <ajmitch> ubuntuology: not usually
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ubuntuology: ah...not usually...
[04:15] <bddebian> Usually no one says anything :-)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:15] <ajmitch> we do often talk about development as well :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> oh yes...occasionally..
[04:16] <ubuntuology> lol
[04:16] <Yagisan> ubuntuology: no, but we do switch to dev work to. It's our social room and work room,
[04:17] <ubuntuology> cool, I was reading the debian package guidelines and thought I'd watch conversations on IRC. I'm pretty new to ubuntu not the new to linux though.
[04:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: thanks
[04:17] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'll probably end up with them anyway, those that are in universe
[04:17] <bddebian> ajmitch: Anytime buddy :-)
[04:18] <Yagisan> time to feed my little one. she's trying to help herself to the food.
[04:18] <ajmitch> just waiting for beta freeze to end, and the syncs that doko requested to go through
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: when's the beta out?
[04:18] <ajmitch> april 20
[04:18] <Yagisan> biab.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> all i know about is the kubuntu meeting next friday, which is after the beta
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: US april 20, i take it?
[04:20] <ajmitch> I guess so
[04:21] <ajmitch> or maybe london time
[04:21] <ajmitch> depends on what issues come up
[04:21] <ajmitch> mdz is apparantly in london at the moment
[04:22] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[04:22] <ajmitch> so hopefully universe is in reasonable shape
[04:25] <VoX> there seems to be a problem with gdesklets and seahorse under dapper on amd64
[04:27] <VoX> during the last dist-upgrade, gdesklets was upgraded, but the upgrade failed when trying to overwrite /usr/share/mime/mime.cache, which is also in package seahorse.
[04:27] <VoX> when seahorse was removed, the upgrade finished without error.
[04:27] <VoX> when trying to re-install seahorse, the same problem arrose
[04:31] <ajmitch> VoX: have you filed bugs for these?
[04:32] <ajmitch> or checked for existing bugs in these packages
[04:36] <VoX> there's a bug listed for i386, but not a64
[04:36] <ajmitch> it'll be the same on all architectures, most bugs aren't arch-specific
[04:36] <VoX> righto
[05:11] <chillywilly> are there any packages for madwifi-ng drivers in dapper?
[05:11] <ajmitch> talk to Unfrgiven
[05:11] <ajmitch> he's been working on some
[05:13] <chillywilly> attempting to build them but it complains about /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build dir missing
[05:13] <ajmitch> and you have the appropriate headers installed?
[05:14] <chillywilly> prolly not ;)
[05:14] <ajmitch> then install them..
[05:14] <chillywilly> ya think :)?
[05:14] <LaserJock> ok guys (and gal) I've got a pic on my LP page if anybody is interested (I don't know why you would but...) : https://launchpad.net/people/mantha
[05:15] <chillywilly> frellin laptop needs wireless again...
[05:15] <ajmitch> today seems to be a day for photos
[05:16] <LaserJock> sure
[05:16] <chillywilly> physical chemistry eh?
[05:16] <jmg> gah
[05:16] <ajmitch> jmg: problems?
[05:17] <jmg> how do i attach a patch to a bug in malone?
[05:17] <chillywilly> I suppose I'll be good and leave that one alone ;)
[05:17] <ajmitch> jmg: you have to file the bug first, then add attachment
[05:17] <jmg> ajmitch: it only has "add comment"
[05:17] <ajmitch> I think add attachment is on the left this week
[05:17] <LaserJock> chillywilly: heck yeah! chemistry rulz ;-)
[05:18] <chillywilly> let's see if network manager can find my wireless
[05:18] <ajmitch> in the portlet that starts with 'overview'
[05:21] <jmg> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088
[05:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40088 in kernel-package "[PATCH]  Support i386 Xen subarch" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[05:21] <jmg> found it :)
[05:21] <ajmitch> great
[05:21] <jmg> now to build xen 3.0.2 :)
[05:24] <Kyral> Xen huh
[05:24] <Kyral> wha?
[05:25] <jmg> Kyral go back to sleep sorry :)
[05:25] <Kyral> What about Xen? :D
[05:25] <Kyral> *twitch*
[05:25] <jmg> Kyral read the bug report
[05:25] <chillywilly> and now the network manager doesn't show up in the notfication thingy at all...
[05:26] <Kyral> You cannot use Xen with the 2.6.16 Kernels
[05:26] <Kyral> hell IIRC you can only use it with the 2.6.11 kernel
[05:26] <jmg> get with the program
[05:26] <Kyral> What>
[05:26] <jmg> xen 3.0.2 is a patch to 2.6.12
[05:27] <jmg> er
[05:27] <jmg> 2.6.16*
[05:27] <Kyral> okay
[05:27] <Kyral> didn't know that lol
[05:27] <Kyral> my server is still running Xen 2 :P
[05:27] <ajmitch> jmg: thanks for doing that, I was tempted to do that smacking myself :)
[05:27] <Kyral> So unloved.....
[05:27] <LaserJock> Kyral seems to have the bddebian complex :-)
[05:27] <Kyral> huh?
[05:29] <LaserJock> Kyral: does that Xen stuff work pretty well?
[05:29] <Kyral> LaserJock, yanno my domain?
[05:29] <Kyral> Azuredreams.us?
[05:29] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:29] <Kyral> completely powered by Xen
[05:30] <jmg> LaserJock: http://thoughtcrime.org.nz/~cartel/ubuntu/etch-on-dapper-.jpg
[05:30] <Kyral> Actually its Etch on Breezy lol
[05:30] <jmg> Kyral you fool, its dapper
[05:30] <Kyral> not mine!
[05:30] <Kyral> Would YOU use Dapper for a server right now?!
[05:30] <jmg> Im not talking about yours
[05:31] <jmg> I wouldnt use ubuntu for a server right now :-)
[05:31] <Kyral> I didn't have a Debian install disc on me :P
[05:31] <LaserJock> I'm going to make a BetaRlease server ;-)
[05:31] <Kyral> Breezy is the Hypervisor
[05:31] <Kyral> the domains themselves are Debian
[05:31] <jmg> That's stupid :)
[05:32] <bddebian> :-)
[05:32] <jmg> LaserJock: im going to make xenubuntu livedvd :)
[05:32] <LaserJock> so can you run an OS from Ubuntu with it?
[05:32] <LaserJock> any I mean
[05:32] <Kyral> not XP
[05:32] <Kyral> nor OSX
[05:32] <Kyral> the kernel of the OS itself has to be patched
[05:32] <chillywilly> blarg...
[05:33] <jmg> boot the casper livecd images of the other ubuntus in xen
[05:33] <Kyral> the Guest Domain
[05:33] <chillywilly> what happened to the network manager applet...
[05:33] <jmg> Kyral not if you use vmx
[05:33] <Kyral> vmx?
[05:33] <jmg> intel virtualisation crap
[05:33] <Kyral> is that that built in virtualization stuff the new Intels have?
[05:33] <jmg> yes
[05:33] <Kyral> yah
[05:34] <Kyral> dude
[05:34] <Kyral> I'm shit poor
[05:34] <jmg> use qemu
[05:34] <LaserJock> I've played a bit with qemu on my macintel but so far it is just emulation and pretty slow
[05:34] <Kyral> but then you still need a Linux XenGuest to run it one
[05:34] <jmg> I run qemu inside xen
[05:34] <jmg> and xen inside qemu inside xen
[05:35] <jmg> :-)
[05:35] <LaserJock> yikes
[05:35] <Kyral> That would get horrible I think
[05:35] <jmg> laserJock: best way to test xen-unstable
[05:35] <Kyral> even with KQemu
[05:35] <jmg> Kyral: its pretty bad
[05:35] <jmg> Kyral: but better than rebooting to a crash
[05:35] <LaserJock> I think I'm just going to have to wait until Dapper+1 or something before I get Ubuntu on this thing :(
[05:38] <LaserJock> right now my Ubuntu box is in pieces, I'm going to merge 2 computers into one and then I'll put Dapper Beta Release on it as a server
[05:39] <chillywilly> what's the --sm-disable arg mean for an applet?
[05:40] <Kyral> whoops
[05:40] <ajmitch> chillywilly: disable session-management, I imagine
[05:41] <chillywilly> ok
[05:41] <chillywilly> the man page tells you where to look to get it to show up in the notification area but the README it talks about does not exist...
[05:42] <ajmitch> it just worked for me :)
[05:44] <chillywilly> well it's running in the background but it's not there
[05:53] <chillywilly> hmmm...whatis my passphrase...
[05:53] <chillywilly> :)))
[05:53] <chillywilly> looks like it is working
[06:08] <chillywilly> bah...
[06:12] <chillywilly> running wpa_supplicant by hand and then bringing the interface up /etc/network/interfaces worked fine
[06:14] <ajmitch> Yagisan: don't worry, hobbsee seems to have gone anyway :)
[06:14] <Yagisan> pity, I was hoping you could lend me a shovel
[06:14] <ajmitch> oh no, I was happy to let you dig all by yourself
[06:14] <ajmitch> you were doing a superb job
[06:15] <Yagisan> not really. My form is down this week
[06:15] <Yagisan> normally I get a response much quicker, but it must be the cold I've caught
[06:15] <ajmitch> hopefully you haven't scared her off for good
[06:16] <Yagisan> nah
[06:16] <Yagisan> she'll be back.
[06:16] <ajmitch> no doubt
[06:18] <ajmitch> time for me to wander off back to the flat & waste time there instead of here
[06:18] <Yagisan> LaserJock looks rather purple in his photo
[06:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch @ work ?
[06:18] <ajmitch> at uni, in the CS lab wasting time :)
[06:18] <ajmitch> I was meant to be working today but still don't have access to the boxes
[06:18] <LaserJock> Yagisan: purple, hmmm
[06:18] <ajmitch> tomorrow, we hope..
[06:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm waiting to see if my application to join upstream for my beloved deng is accepted
[06:19] <ajmitch> good luck
[06:19] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm the last linux user left to care for it,
[06:20] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so I spent last night actually getting it to build again
[06:20] <ajmitch> heh
[06:21] <ajmitch> anyway, I'll be back later
[06:21] <Yagisan> no worries, catch you later ajmitch
[06:39] <chillywilly> that frellin applet doesn't work... :-/
[07:45] <phanatic> mornin
[07:45] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic
[07:45] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[09:00] <cbx33> hi all, got a package that no longer has the old debian version 0.20, debian is on 0.23 ubuntu is still on 0.20, what would be the sync procedure in this case?
[09:02] <ajmitch> cbx33: write up an upstream version freeze exception report, detailing why it should be updated, and giving the diffstat & changelog diff
[09:02] <ajmitch> instructions are on the wiki somewhere if I can find them :)
[09:03] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[09:04] <carthik> err, tortho in #ubuntu-bugs just confirmed Bug 5153 - which should be fixed by changing a couple of dependencies...
[09:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 5153 in mythplugins "MythWeb Dependencies" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5153
[09:04] <cbx33> thanx ajmitch
[09:05] <cbx33> ajmitch: I've never done a UVF pacakge before....what's a diffstat, and against what do i do the diff of the upstream
[09:06] <cbx33> if you have time
[09:08] <ajmitch> you do a recursive diff of the 2 upstream trees
[09:08] <ajmitch> eg diff -Naur package-0.20 package-0.23 | diffstat > file
[09:10] <cbx33> of the source trees?
[09:10] <cbx33> forgive me stupidity here
[09:11] <ajmitch> yes
[09:11] <cbx33> is that the original sources, unmodified?
[09:12] <cbx33> or against the debian.23 qand the ubuntu .20
[09:24] <ajmitch> unmodified sources, iirc
[09:25] <jmg> ubuntu xen 3.0.2 packages -> deb http://debian.thoughtcrime.co.nz/ubuntu/ dapper main xen
[09:25] <jmg> vote for me: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/40088
[09:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40088 in kernel-package "[PATCH]  Support i386 Xen subarch" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[09:25] <cbx33> thank you ajmitch
[09:25] <ajmitch> jmg: vote for you? bugfixing is hardly a democracy :)
[09:26] <Mithrandir> jmg: bugs in malone are not "voted for", please stop spamming the development channels.
[09:26] <jmg> Mithrandir: ack
[09:28] <jmg> Mithrandir: apologies
[10:08] <cbx33> ah dang it
[10:08] <cbx33> what looked like a simple solution has now turned into a string of dependencies
[10:11] <cbx33> I need to resync two packages at least which means getting to UVFs
[10:18] <cbx33> something i don;tthink will happen this latein the game
[10:18] <cbx33> I'll repackage anyway and submit to the team
[10:33] <Hobbsee> hi everyone
[10:34] <ajmitch> hi Hobbsee
[10:35] <Hobbsee> :) there is someone around
[10:35] <ajmitch> welcome back
[10:35] <ajmitch> sure :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hehe - you live here?
[10:35] <ajmitch> at times I wonder
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:35] <Hobbsee> any more botspam?
[10:36] <ajmitch> plenty
[10:36] <ajmitch> seveas is around to deal with it now
[10:37] <Hobbsee> hehe oh good
[10:40] <ajmitch> dist-upgrade is taking awhile tonight
[10:40] <ajmitch> ~70K/sec
[10:44] <Lathiat> beats 10K/s shaped? :)
[10:44] <ajmitch> a bit :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> though I've only used 15GB, with 4 days to go in the billing cycle
[10:48] <Hobbsee> hi StevenK
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe true
[10:49] <Hobbsee> warning:  typing may well be baf
[10:49] <Hobbsee> s/baf/bad
[10:49] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[10:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: glad to see that they've all gone to #kde now...
[10:52] <ajmitch> oh that's good
[10:52] <ajmitch> nobody uses those channels :)
[10:53] <ajmitch> how is kubuntu going now?
[10:54] <ajmitch> everything sorted for the beta?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:54] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure...
[10:55] <Hobbsee> *falls off chair*  - ouch!
[10:55] <ajmitch> sounds like a silly thing to do
[10:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, to go and injure myself more, great
[10:55] <ajmitch> heh
[10:56] <StevenK> Hobbsee: I heard about the accident, you're okay?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> StevenK: yeah, i am
[10:56] <ajmitch> as long as you can still work a computer & fix packages :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch
[10:56] <ajmitch> Hobbsee
[10:56] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well, it's kinda hard to type, seeing as i just cut up my finger a bit...
[10:56] <ajmitch> ouch
[10:57] <Hobbsee> eek!
[10:57] <StevenK> It was just a love tap, so no damage.
[10:57] <Hobbsee> so you were one of thoes many accidents hey?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> lol niccccccccccccccce!
[10:57] <Hobbsee> work you silly C key, dammit!
[10:58] <ajmitch> what did you do to slice up your finger?
[10:58] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Note that the C key is working, just a little too well.
[10:58] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What about a liquid bandaid?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: peeling potatoes...
[10:59] <ajmitch> ah..
[10:59] <Hobbsee> blood everywhere without a bandaid, which is kinda inconvenient...
[10:59] <Hobbsee> s4et... it is now, yes.  just not when i first wanted it too
[10:59] <ajmitch> especially when you don't want to get blood all over the potatoes
[10:59] <Hobbsee> or my keyboard
[10:59] <Hobbsee> mum finished the potatoes
[11:00] <ajmitch> and it was on your writing hand, too?
[11:01] <Hobbsee> no, other hand
[11:01] <ajmitch> not so bad then
[11:01] <Hobbsee> not the hand i use for the touchpad at work either, which is good
[11:02] <StevenK> Oh, bloody hell.
[11:03] <StevenK> The totals are still different.
[11:03] <ajmitch> what are you working on?
[11:03] <StevenK> A prac for uni.
[11:04] <ajmitch> ah, nice
[11:04] <StevenK> Async I/O under Windows.
[11:04] <StevenK> Right, works.
[11:05] <StevenK> 103 lines of C to do the exercise, and a 20 line C++ program to generate the file required for the exercise.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> StevenK: so a good rm -rf *.cpp would do wonders?
[11:06] <StevenK> Hobbsee: The C++ file I can write off the top of my head.
[11:06] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: and replace it with C# or something?
[11:07] <Hobbsee> well, and whatever the extnesion of c files are
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, something like that
[11:07] <StevenK> Hobbsee: .c? :-)
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:08] <ajmitch> StevenK: cruel & unusual punishment
[11:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:10] <Hobbsee> i'm wearing a bandiad now silly - hence the dodgy typing
[11:10] <StevenK> Hobbsee: What's your excuse the rest of the time?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> silly StevenK
[11:15] <ajmitch> hm
[11:16] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: how's the release shaping up?
[11:16] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: a bit too much of a disarray still, but I'm hoping we'll be able to pull it off for tomorrow.
[11:16] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: LP being slow is seriously hampering us, though
[11:17] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: is the search borked today, or working?  :P
[11:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: for malone?
[11:17] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yes
[11:17] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: no idea.
[11:18] <ajmitch> afaik it's not too badly broken today
[11:18] <lifeless> hey ajmitch
[11:18] <cbx33> ajmitch: the pacakge i was fixing, is dependant on another package that hasn't been synced
[11:18] <cbx33> and that depends on another
[11:19] <cbx33> eeek what a mess
[11:20] <ajmitch> hey lifeless, how's it going?
[11:20] <ajmitch> cbx33: often the way
[11:20] <Hobbsee> s/wavs/waves
[11:21] <lifeless> ajmitch: good, debsigging
[11:21] <ajmitch> nice
[11:24] <Toadstool> hi
[11:24] <ajmitch> hello Toadstool
[11:24] <Toadstool> good morning ajmitch
[11:25] <sivang> morning all
[11:25] <Toadstool> morning sivang
[11:25] <sivang> hey Toadstool
[11:26] <Hobbsee_away> dinner
[11:26] <lifeless> ajmitch: dude, come to sydney
[11:26] <lifeless> ajmitch: we have them monthly
[11:27] <ajmitch> it'd be fun
[11:27] <ajmitch> maybe next year :)
[11:27] <Hobbsee_away> lifeless: that'd be fun.  where at?
[11:28] <StevenK> Hobbsee_away: Don't you read the SLUG list?
[11:28] <lifeless> Hobbsee_away: cohi bar
[11:28] <Hobbsee_away> StevenK: no
[11:28] <ajmitch> Hobbsee_away: eaten dinner already? :)
[11:28] <Hobbsee_away> ajmitchn
[11:28] <Hobbsee_away> ajmitch: no, i'm gionfg...
[11:28] <Hobbsee_away> lol
[11:28] <Hobbsee_away> cursed finger...
[11:31] <ajmitch> lifeless: I'll probably move to .au in a year or two anyway - currently I'm thinking of melbourne since I have a few contacts there
[11:32] <ajmitch> though there seem to be enough sydney people in here
[11:33] <zakame> hi
[11:34] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[11:35] <zakame> hello ajmitch :)
[11:40] <ajmitch> lifeless: fyi, I seem to have a branch that's confusing bzr - bzr info says it's format 6, bzr check says format 4
[12:06] <ajmitch> zakame: I get md5sum mismatch when doign apt-get source digikam
[12:06] <ajmitch> so it's not just you seeing problems :)
[12:06] <zakame> thanks ajmitch :)
[12:09] <lifeless> ajmitch: shouldn't be confused, thats probably different fields its reporting on
[12:10] <ajmitch> lifeless: right, then the problem is that I can't do bzr status
[12:11] <ajmitch> :0:> bzr status
[12:11] <ajmitch> bzr: ERROR: No such file: u'/home/ajmitch/debian/phpgroupware/phpgroupware/phpgroupware-0.9.16.010/debian/.bzr/pending-merges': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory: u'/home/ajmitch/debian/phpgroupware/phpgroupware/phpgroupware-0.9.16.010/debian/.bzr/pending-merges'
[12:11] <lifeless> ajmitch: theres this channel, #bzr
[12:11] <ajmitch> I know.. :)
[12:11] <lifeless> and its quite good at things like this :)
[12:11] <ajmitch> but it's a whole 2 keystrokes to change channels
[12:12] <lifeless> you pushed over sftp using 0.8pre and a 0.7 branch format
[12:12] <lifeless> know glitch
[12:12] <ajmitch> right
[12:14] <StevenK> ajmitch: That's a wierd promot
[12:14] <StevenK> Er, prompt
[12:14] <ajmitch> StevenK: it's just part of it
[12:15] <StevenK> ajmitch: But ending a prompt with a > ?
[12:15] <ajmitch> why not? :)
[12:16] <StevenK> It just seems strange - I'm used to %, $ and #
[12:17] <ajmitch> I'm a strange sort of person
[12:20] <zakame> hi \sh !
[12:21] <\sh> huhu
[12:21] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[12:22] <Gloubiboulga> hi \sh :)
[12:23] <\sh> guys, managed to get the freelance job :)
[12:25] <zakame> rocking!
[12:25] <ajmitch> \sh: congrats!
[12:25] <\sh> ajmitch: now only the money transfer is missing :)
[12:25] <ajmitch> heh
[12:27] <cbx33> hice one \sh
[12:27] <cbx33> my wifes a free lance web designer, what freelance are you doing?
[12:27] <\sh> cbx33: the official title is senior system administrator :) right now, I'm responsible to setup some fai servers for different network clouds :)
[12:27] <ajmitch> \sh: blogged it yet? :)
[12:28] <\sh> ajmitch: no nda :)
[12:28] <ajmitch> yay
[12:28] <\sh> everything is top secret :)
[12:30] <cbx33> ooooooooh
[12:30] <StevenK> \sh: So now you've told us a little, you need to kill us?
[12:31] <\sh> i didn't tell anyone anything :)
[12:33] <ajmitch> of course not
[12:34] <ajmitch> we know nothing
[12:35] <zakame> are universe/multiver uploads delayed today due to the beta release?
[12:35] <tseng> probably
[12:36] <dholbach> zakame: they might be lower priority, but they're not "blocked and queued up" afaik
[12:36] <zakame> ah
[12:36] <tseng> Kamion cant wait hours for someone who sneaks a bunch of universe builds up in his way
[12:36] <zakame> I thought my dh_iconcache uploads are >/dev/null :/
[12:37] <tseng> so, be polite
[12:37] <zakame> ok =)
[12:47] <Unfrgiven> \sh: grats mate!
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: oh good!  join us in sydney.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> better than melbourne..
[01:16] <kelmo> blasphemy
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:55] <Kyral> Morning
[01:55] <slougi> hi all, "feature freeze" == no updated packages?
[01:55] <slougi> morning Kyral
[01:57] <Kyral> and bye again :P
[01:58] <zul> heylo
[02:01] <Hobbsee> no uploads, even bug fixes, until after the beta, right?
[02:06] <zul> Hobbsee: you might want to tell bdebian about that
[02:07] <Hobbsee> zul: okay, cool, will do.  the guy didnt assign it
[02:12] <zul> Hobbsee: uploading to universe is ok though
[02:13] <slougi> well since noone answered my previous question ;) I will ask another one: if I want to request a package (mercurial) to be updated, how do I go about doing it?
[02:14] <Unfrgiven> woah! dapper+1 = edgy eft!
[02:15] <Hobbsee> slougi: is it already in ubuntu and or debian?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> and is the update just bug fixes, or a proper update?
[02:15] <slougi> Hobbsee: it's in universe
[02:15] <slougi> Hobbsee: a proper update
[02:15] <slougi> from 0.7 (currently in universe) to 0.8.1
[02:15] <Hobbsee> slougi: it'll have to wait till dapper+1 then
[02:16] <slougi> ah right
[02:16] <slougi> wasn't clear on the policy on updates
[02:16] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[02:18] <Hobbsee> slougi: afaik, anyway
[02:19] <slougi> ok
[02:22] <\sh> re
[02:46] <Hobbsee> any motu's around?
[03:39] <siretart> \sh: congratulations on the new job! :)
[03:40] <\sh> siretart: thx
[03:45] <zul> \sh: what are you going to be doing?
[03:46] <\sh> zul: right now I have a freelancer job :)
[03:47] <zul> cool..
[04:12] <siretart> yay. finally I got the lastfm package from debian working on dapper..
[04:13] <jsgotangco> whoa
[04:14] <siretart> it requires the newer libqt4 from debian, I merged the changes locally, but I'm not sure if they are suitable for dapper
[04:17] <Hobbsee> might help
[04:21] <siretart> gnarf. the debdiff on libqt4 alone is 400k big. :/
[04:21] <siretart> Hobbsee: why does Ubugtu need to be operator?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> siretart: i was under the impression that to boot a user, for a massive spam attack, the person/bot who's doign the booting needs to be an op
[04:22] <Hobbsee> at least, that's how it works in #ubuntu/#kubuntu, IIRC, with the exploits
[04:24] <Seveas> Hobbsee, #ubuntu-motu hasn't been attacked
[04:24] <Seveas> so it's not needed
[04:24] <Hobbsee> oh.  yet.
[05:18] <freeflying> dholbach: ping
[05:18] <dholbach> freeflying: pong
[05:19] <freeflying> dholbach: how about the UVFe of cmake
[05:19] <dholbach> freeflying: bug no?
[05:20] <freeflying> bug 36168
[05:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36168 in cmake "need new release for build kde4 package " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/36168
[05:22] <dholbach> freeflying: can you attach a diff of the ChangeLog?
[05:22] <dholbach> freeflying: the changes are fairly large
[05:23] <freeflying> dholbach: author hasn't provide the Changelog
[05:24] <dholbach> freeflying: is there any information on any website so we can check WHAT was changed in the 100.000 lines of changes?
[05:24] <freeflying> dholbach: just a moment , I show you the website of cmake
[05:25] <dholbach> freeflying: attach it to the bug report please
[05:25] <dholbach> freeflying: I added some other requests as well
[05:25] <dholbach> we have to be VERY careful
[05:25] <dholbach> cmake is a piece of infrastructure which other packages may use
[05:25] <freeflying> dholbach: okey
[05:29] <zul> is there karma for uploads?
[05:29] <ogra> "rng-tools  - Daemon to use a Hardware TRNG"
[05:29] <ogra> wow, what a helpful description :)
[05:30] <ogra> why didnt he directly write "rng-tools - tools for rng" ?
[05:30] <zul> ogra: isnt it
[05:30] <ogra> no idea, since i dont know what trng is ;)
[05:31] <zul> me either..
[05:31] <zul> i just fix bugs..:)
[05:31] <ogra> :)
[05:32] <slougi> is universe currently frozen with regard to
[05:33] <slougi> *to package updates
[05:34] <zul> like bug fixes?
[05:35] <ogra> bugfixes are generally fine
[05:35] <slougi> no, version bumps
[05:35] <slougi> guess it is
[05:37] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperRessources tells you about syncs but you need upstream versin freeze exceptions for all newer upstrem versions ... we might lock down even more after beta release (tomorrow)
[05:41] <slougi> so no chance of a mercurial version bump from 0.7 to 0.8? :)
[05:42] <slomo> slougi: file a UVF exception and we'll see
[05:42] <slougi> right
[05:42] <ogra> it shouldnd just add random new featurews
[05:42] <ogra> but close serious bugs
[05:43] <ogra> then you'll get it through more easy
[05:43] <ogra> (the smaller the diff between the packages that has to be reviewed, the easier it gets)
[05:44] <slougi> it's more in line with "Minor fixes, if the upstream change is a micro-increment (or equivalent)"
[05:44] <slougi> they did bump the version number, but the changes are quite minimal, mainly ui convenience
[05:44] <slougi> anyway, food, bbiab
[05:44] <ogra> no serious bugfixes then ?
[05:52] <crimsun> slomo: one of the more serious bugs on vlc (crashes on matroska files) requires a svn snap, which I'm sure isn't the optimal solution. Backporting all the necessary patches has become an NP-hard problem, so I'm not inclined to attempt it any further. So our choices are to either ignore the matroska issue and disable matroska support for Dapper's vlc, or attempt a svn snap (which closes another stacking bug as well). Opinions?
[05:54] <slomo> crimsun: what other changes are in svn?
[05:54] <slomo> crimsun: anything great and experimental? ;)
[05:54] <crimsun> slomo: tons, nearly all bug fixes
[05:55] <slomo> sounds good... why don't you want a svn snapshot?
[05:55] <crimsun> supporting a svn snap (like the previous cups in main issue) for 3+ years is not my idea of fun
[05:57] <crimsun> I'll roll a svn snap, call for testers, and have a better idea if a UVF exception is necessary by next week
[05:57] <slomo> crimsun: hehe ok :) could you convince upstream to make a release? ;)
[05:58] <crimsun> slomo: upstream is not so easily persuaded, unfortunately
[05:58] <slomo> ah, like the mplayer guys? ;)
[05:58] <crimsun> heh
[06:31] <dolson> I never heard of an Eft before :\
[06:31] <jpatrick> eft?
[06:32] <dolson> yes, Edgy Eft
[06:33] <dolson> it's a young newt, apparently
[08:10] <LaserJock> morning MOTULand
[08:11] <jpatrick> hi LaserJock
[08:12] <LaserJock> hi jpatrick
[08:14] <Tonio_> LaserJock: morning :)
[08:14] <LaserJock> ahh, looks like KDE is awake anyway ;-)
[08:27] <LaserJock> whre is the annoucement of Edgy Eft?
[08:28] <dholbach> u-d-a
[08:28] <LaserJock> hmm, I haven't gotten it yet, must be because I batch u-d-a
[08:29] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064.html
[08:30] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah, I don't see it in u-d-a
[08:30] <hub> go for edgy
[08:30] <hub> so "Distribution = Edgy" from now on?
[08:31] <ogra> from now on ?
[08:31] <ogra> we're only in beta freeze of dapper :)
[08:32] <hub> ogra: well, new packages on REVU :-)
[09:07] <hub> anyone know if somebody has made packages for the D compiler?
[09:07] <hub> there is a gcc frontend
[09:07] <azeem> pvanhoof did, I heard
[09:07] <azeem> ;)
[09:08] <hub> for FC
[09:08] <hub> not for Ubuntu
[09:08] <crimsun> there have been since December 2004 according to google
[09:08] <hub> ah
[09:25] <ivoks> anyone interested in revival of ebuntu?
[09:26] <wasabi> meaning?
[09:26] <ivoks> enlightenment
[09:26] <zul> i havent used enlightenment for ages
[09:27] <ivoks> well... i love it
[09:27] <ivoks> ubuntu has all the packages needed to make it great
[09:28] <nomed> ivoks: in dapper ?
[09:29] <ivoks> yes
[09:29] <ivoks> i have setup:
[09:30] <ivoks> e16+trayer+gkrellm+gnome-volume-manager+gnome-power-manager+network-manager+nm-applet+gnome-screensaver
[09:30] <ivoks> all this under 80MB of RAM
[09:30] <ivoks> sylpheed-claws-gtk2 as email client
[09:30] <LaserJock> ivoks: what is the current status of ebuntu
[09:30] <ivoks> LaserJock: dead
[09:30] <ogra> ivoks, only if you rename it
[09:30] <ivoks> ogra: i agree :)
[09:31] <zul> maybe Eubuntu :)
[09:31] <LaserJock> ivoks: really? monzie didn't want to do more?
[09:31] <ivoks> LaserJock: i don't see anything happening
[09:31] <ivoks> and i really dislike e17
[09:31] <ivoks> i hope it never gets released :)
[09:31] <dolson> is ebuntu still done with checkinstall?
[09:31] <LaserJock> I believe so
[09:32] <dolson> how Edgy
[09:32] <nomed> ivoks: it'll be released soon :)
[09:32] <ogra> zul, eubuntu "bruxelles breaker" ?
[09:32] <LaserJock> but we kinda told monzie that it wouldn't make Dapper so I think that probably was a bit of a turnoff
[09:32] <zul> hehe..
[09:32] <ivoks> nomed: don't talk like that! it might happen, you know :)
[09:33] <nomed> ivoks: yes it'll happen soon .. serously :)
[09:33] <dolson> he can't really expect a big thing like this to be released if it's done with checkinstall, can he? I mean, with no dependency handling and such
[09:33] <ivoks> LaserJock: well, ebuntu or whatever we would call it, can't make into dapper
[09:33] <ivoks> dolson: that's cause he wants e17
[09:34] <ivoks> nomed: well, then e17 needs new theme
[09:34] <ivoks> i had more robust, old-school desktop, on my mind
[09:34] <ivoks> with new fancy things like automounting (g-v-m), power saving (g-p-m)
[09:37] <ivoks> xfce doesn't look lightweight anymore :/
[09:37] <ivoks> it looks like... well... gnome :)
[09:38] <dolson> looks aren't everything
[09:38] <ivoks> dolson: it feels like gnome
[09:39] <Kyral> The "Edgy Efit" eh? :D
[09:39] <ivoks> but it's ok project and i'm sure lots of people love and use it
[09:39] <dolson> Eft
[09:40] <dolson> Edgy Eft is Eff'd
[09:40] <dolson> I hope they use Fuzzy Ferret next
[09:40] <Kyral> I kinda like Mark's idea
[09:40] <Kyral> the way I read it was "Guys....go wild"
[09:41] <Kyral> who was talking about Xen integration last night?
[09:41] <LaserJock> jmg I think
[09:41] <Kyral> Should I spec it now?
[09:42] <Kyral> Because I <3 Xen and would LOVE to work on it
[09:44] <Kyral> Somehow I have the feeling that Edgy will be a little more "dev" oriented....
[09:44] <Kyral> or at least have more features for devs
[09:44] <Kyral> ping jmg
[09:44] <nomed> ivoks: i would say e17 needs dbus, hal and a fm :)
[09:45] <Kyral> Do we even have the "GNOME" package?
[09:45] <ivoks> nomed: right
[09:49] <Kyral> Anyone can add a spec right?
[09:53] <LaserJock> Kyral: yes, I believe so
[09:53] <Kyral> well, there is already a Xen thing on the Specs...
[09:53] <LaserJock> I should probably get some going myself
[09:53] <Kyral> hmm, I think I can work with jmg on it
[09:54] <Kyral> I wanna give an option almost like Debian
[09:54] <Kyral> I mean, instead of installing Ubuntu-Desktop to get GNOME
[09:54] <Kyral> you should be able to install just "GNOME"
[09:54] <Kyral> not all the other crap :D
[09:59] <ivoks> well... 'night guys
[09:59] <trappist> if I make a change to a package that definitely won't rate a version bump on its own, should I still make a changelog entry with a new version number and submit a debdiff, or is it sufficient to just submit a diff?
[10:00] <trappist> current example: adding a spanish translation to firefox.desktop
[10:00] <zul> has anyone considered installing 64bit vmware and trying to fix the adm64 bugs?
[10:01] <LaserJock> trappist: yeah, if you  don't think it warrants a new version just give a diff of the file you changed
[10:01] <trappist> LaserJock: thanks
[10:23] <uniq> who do i contact to be added to the ubuntumembers group in launchpad?
[10:25] <uniq> nevermind..
[10:25] <thesaltydog> wait
[10:27] <thesaltydog> uniq, you should register in the group, add your name to the next Community Council Agenda, and attend it.
[10:33] <Kyral> Whee! My goodies from the FSF finally got here :D
[10:42] <uniq> thecore: i'm already approved. But thanks:)
[10:43] <theCore> uniq, ?
[10:43] <uniq> sorry.. wrong nick.
[10:43] <theCore> he
[10:43] <uniq> thesaltyd left. :] 
[10:43] <uniq> and i love tab-completion.
[10:44] <theCore> uniq: same-here :)
[10:44] <theCore> uniq: nice coincidence, though
[10:50] <zul> heylo
[10:51] <ajmitch> hi zul
[10:52] <ajmitch> zul: you said before about using 64-bit vmware.. why? :)
[10:54] <cartesian1984> Salutations, I was wondering if there was any intention of including WASTE in universe by the dapper release.
[10:54] <ajmitch> not knowing what it is, I'd say there's very little chance
[10:56] <ajmitch> since someone would have to get it packaged & tested in a short amount of time
[10:56] <cartesian1984> When is software freeze?
[10:56] <ajmitch> about a month or two ago
[10:56] <cartesian1984> Ouch....
[10:56] <cartesian1984> Oh well.
[10:56] <zul> ajmitch: verify the bugs that say that arent working on amd64, i dont have and amd64
[10:56] <ajmitch> some exceptions can get made, but they'd be rare
[10:57] <ajmitch> zul: 64-bit vmware only works on an amd64
[10:57] <zul> oh...never mind..:)
[10:57] <robitaille> cartesian1984:  someone already requested it:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[10:57] <ajmitch> zul: a growing number of us have real amd64 installs :)
[10:57] <zul> yeah...yeah