[12:05] <ogra> the themeing
[12:05] <lns> I'm using Dapper flight 6, will it change from that?
[12:05] <ogra> yep
[12:05] <lns> right on =)
[12:05] <lns> can you describe the changes? I'm really curious
[12:05] <ogra> at least the wallpaper of the default theme will be rather neutral
[12:05] <lns> oh cool
[12:06] <lucasvo> lns: exactly, but why not make another theme?
[12:06] <lucasvo> install more advanced apps
[12:06] <ogra> the "young" theme will get another wallpaper
[12:06] <ogra> and the "plain" theme wont change 
[12:06] <lns> that's good - some feedback i got from my customer was "a lot of kids older than 9 won't like the little girl, especially the boys"
[12:06] <lns> hehe
[12:06] <ogra> btw, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork if youre on dapper 
[12:07] <lns> lucasvo, i don't see anything wrong with making another theme
[12:07] <ogra> (only works if you use the default theme with the user you log in with)
[12:07] <lns> but in a university, most people won't want apps like "tux type" and "potato guy" ;) (even though i love them both and i'm 25)
[12:08] <lucasvo> lns: hm, yes, I would like to calculate with complex numbers
[12:08] <lucasvo> :)
[12:08] <lns> ogra, thanks i'll do that when i'm there next =)
[12:08] <lucasvo> is there a very very very advanced calculator licensed under gpl?
[12:08] <lucasvo> or is a Texas Instruments the only whay to go ?
[12:08] <lns> i'm sure there are tons
[12:09] <lns> lucasvo, apt-cache search calculator
[12:09] <ogra> heh, you've beaten me
[12:09] <lns> ogra, will the reconf of artwork change anybody's already modified backgrounds?
[12:09] <ogra> nope
[12:09] <ogra> only the system defaults
[12:09] <lns> cool
[12:09] <lns> oh here's another thing i got today
[12:10] <ogra> if that is overriden by a user config already it wont change
[12:10] <lns> the staff was confused as to where the pics from "Tuxpaint" went because the kids wanted to make their background what they did in that pgm
[12:10] <lns> maybe, by default we could consider changing the $savedir var into a non-hidden directory in their home dirs?
[12:10] <ogra> hmm, good question
[12:10] <lns> just a thought
[12:11] <ogra> yep, sounds sane
[12:11] <lns> right now it's saved in ~/.tuxpaint/saved/
[12:11] <lns> awesome! =)
[12:11] <ogra> but i'm not sure how that affects upgrades indeed :/
[12:11] <ogra> i.e. former users wont find their pics anymore
[12:12] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe make a script that copies the files
[12:12] <lns> well if we modify /etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf it won't overwrite it upon upgrade by default, right?
[12:12] <lns> oh yeah
[12:12] <lns> i was gonna do it by hand...
[12:12] <lns> <--- needs to learn scripting really really badly
[12:12] <ogra> lucasvo, that'd need to *always* be wrapped around the prog then 
[12:13] <ogra> thats not a good idea ...
[12:13] <ogra> and you cant do it in the package either, because it affects userdata ...
[12:14] <lns> what about making a script and just making it available on edubuntu website for those who want to use it?
[12:14] <ogra> that will still require them to read that page ...
[12:15] <lucasvo> maybe ask if the user wants to have the data saved in .tuxpaint or in another folder. and also write that changing will affect userdata
[12:15] <ogra> dont forget, we have many users that have no internet access ...
[12:15] <ogra> lucasvo, ask when/where ?
[12:15] <lucasvo> ogra: during installation
[12:15] <lucasvo> like dhcp asks for an IP
[12:16] <lucasvo> ogra: can't one determine if it is a fresh install or if it is an update?
[12:16] <ogra> installer questions are a big nono 
[12:16] <lns> i think asking that question would confuse a LOT of users especially if they're teachers with no linux experience
[12:17] <ogra> we already have some more than ubuntu/kubuntu
[12:17] <ogra> which is not appreciated but unavoidable if you install a dhcp server distro ...
[12:18] <lucasvo> or maybe just make a script that runs instead of tuxpaint. which copies all the files to a more reasonable place and than runs tuxpaint
[12:18] <ogra> thats what i meant above, you'll carry this around for eternity
[12:18] <lns> hehe
[12:19] <lucasvo> ogra: ah yes
[12:19] <lns> what about creating a symlink that's not hidden?
[12:19] <ogra> you dont know from which version a user updates 
[12:19] <ogra> lns, thats an option
[12:20] <lns> that way there's no actual config changes either
[12:20] <ogra> but you need to patch the program ... to create the symlink if its not there
[12:21] <ogra> (which should be configurable, so you even add a new config option)
[12:21] <lns> ahh true
[12:23] <lns> is there any way in gnome to detect the first time an app is launched for each user?
[12:23] <lns> like the absense of gconf settings, etc?
[12:26] <lucasvo> anyway,  I go now
[12:26] <lucasvo> good night
[12:26] <lns> later lucasvo!
[12:39] <lns> could we communicate this feature request upstream to tuxpaint?
[12:39] <lns> maybe if they make the change in the package it would be better? then we don't have to worry about patching, etc.?
[12:40] <LaserJock> lucasvo: are you still here?
[12:42] <lucasvo> LaserJock: well, I just brushed my teeth :)
[12:42] <LaserJock> lucasvo: sorry, I was setting up a laser flurescence lab
[12:42] <lucasvo> cool
[12:43] <LaserJock> lucasvo: yes, I'm interested in university (especially scientific) use of Ubuntu in general and Edubuntu
[12:44] <lucasvo> I am interested in using ubuntu for myself, so advanced math in highschool and chemistry and other things
[12:45] <lucasvo> LaserJock: what are you using it for at the moment?
[12:46] <LaserJock> lucasvo: well, I use Ubuntu for as much as I can, writing papers, presentations, data collection, data analysis
[12:46] <lucasvo> gnuplot?
[12:46] <LaserJock> heck yeah
[12:46] <LaserJock> actually I'm moving stuff over to python
[12:47] <LaserJock> so I'm trying to get matplotlib set up instead of gnuplot
[12:47] <LaserJock> although there is a gnuplot wrapper for python
[12:47] <LaserJock> I use scipy quite a bit
[12:48] <LaserJock> I'd like to put together some metapackages for science fields
[12:49] <LaserJock> for edgy
[12:49] <lucasvo> yeah, that would be cool
[12:50] <LaserJock> lucasvo: so you want to do some complex number calculations?
[12:52] <lucasvo> yeah, but atm, I prefer to sleep
[12:52] <lucasvo> :)
[12:52] <lucasvo> cu tomorrow
[01:00] <eDRUcated> hello
[01:01] <HedgeMage> hi eDRUcated 
[01:01] <Sergi0> hi
[01:01] <eDRUcated> hello
[01:02] <eDRUcated> so you all use edubuntu
[01:02] <HedgeMage> and/or work on it :)
[01:02] <eDRUcated> cool
[01:03] <eDRUcated> i was considering it for my next OS
[01:03] <eDRUcated> i am a 19 yo science major
[01:03] <HedgeMage> well, if you have questions, we're here to help
[01:03] <eDRUcated> i am planning on starting up my own private home schooling type facility
[01:03] <eDRUcated> ok
[01:04] <eDRUcated> thank you
[01:04] <eDRUcated> so what is your background Mage
[01:05] <HedgeMage> I've been using Linux for about 10 years, give or take, and working with various educational FOSS projects for about that long... my mom's a teacher, I have taken on a lot of (informal) teaching roles over the years, and my son uses edubuntu :)
[01:06] <HedgeMage> what kind of "facility" are you talking about (and what country are you in?)
[01:06] <eDRUcated> i am in the US but i am moving to Canada really soon to countinue my education. 
[01:07] <eDRUcated> i am planning on a private home school for grade 7 and up
[01:08] <eDRUcated> i would like some info on how to start up a server network so that the student in my school can learn from home and in the building
[01:09] <eDRUcated> and how to setup a irc server for the students and teachers to use as well
[01:10] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:11] <eDRUcated> hedge are you there
[01:12] <HedgeMage> yep 
[01:12] <HedgeMage> sorry, I tend to pop in and out
[01:12] <eDRUcated> oo
[01:12] <eDRUcated> ok
[01:12] <eDRUcated> sorry
[01:12] <HedgeMage> I am watching my 3yo son, and i'm a freenode staffer so I occassionally get caught up chasing spambots and doing user service and stuff
[01:12] <eDRUcated> i feel rude now
[01:12] <eDRUcated> oo
[01:12] <eDRUcated> ok
[01:12] <HedgeMage> that's okay, I just multitask more than most people
[01:12] <eDRUcated> i do a lot too
[01:12] <eDRUcated> lol
[01:12] <eDRUcated> i understand
[01:15] <eDRUcated> i am head of my county as alternative student lifestyle and a political advocate for the same. i practice a bit of street and loop hole law and have 16 credits at my college. i also tutor and am a student aid/teacher in 3 classes
[01:15] <eDRUcated> it is hell
[01:15] <HedgeMage> where are you starting from? totally new to linux? linux user? linux admin experience?  if you do have experience, what distro(s) are you most familiar with?
[01:15] <eDRUcated> i love it
[01:15] <HedgeMage> lol
[01:15] <eDRUcated> i have SEEN Knoppix
[01:15] <eDRUcated> lol
[01:15] <eDRUcated> and i have studied what different things do
[01:16] <HedgeMage> hehe okay :)
[01:16] <eDRUcated> ok
[01:18] <eDRUcated> so what do you go to tell me 
[01:18] <eDRUcated> oo
[01:18] <eDRUcated> in case you are wondering i am using Mac OS X
[01:18] <eDRUcated> shoot
[01:18] <eDRUcated> i will brb
[01:18] <eDRUcated> need to run to the store
[01:19] <eDRUcated> i will BRB
[01:22] <HedgeMage> if I were you, I'd start by putting edubuntu or ubuntu on the computer you use the most, and getting used to using/admin'ing that box... then start running a server here and one there just for practice playing with them
[01:23] <HedgeMage> I tend to learn best by experimentation... if you're the (much more patient) type who reads docs *before* they break something... you might want to start differently ;)
[01:37] <HedgeMage> hi jinty 
[01:37] <jinty> heya HedgeMage
[01:37] <jinty> what's up?
[01:39] <HedgeMage> not much... mommytasking ( a step or three above multitasking ) as usual ;)
[01:44] <eDRUcated> hello again
[01:46] <LaserJock> eDRUcated: oh, heah. I was just reading the backlog
[01:46] <eDRUcated> oo
[01:46] <eDRUcated> ok
[01:47] <LaserJock> I'm a PhD chemistry student and was homeschooled for a while
[01:47] <LaserJock> and I'm typing from OSX at the moment ;-)
[01:47] <eDRUcated> me too
[01:48] <eDRUcated> i am looking into using it as a teaching tool
[01:49] <LaserJock> eDRUcated: what age range?
[01:49] <eDRUcated> grades 7 - 12
[01:50] <eDRUcated> i am 19 myself but i almost have my associates and am moving right to my Bachelor's
[01:50] <eDRUcated> why do you ask
[01:52] <LaserJock> just interested, it seem like Edubuntu is a little more suited for younger kids
[01:53] <LaserJock> I haven't really used it much so far. My ubuntu box is down at the moment so I'm using chroots for all my dev work
[01:53] <eDRUcated> i see
[01:53] <eDRUcated> i am very new to all this
[01:53] <LaserJock> but I think Edubuntu (and Ubuntu in general) have lots of potential in educational/academic settings
[01:53] <eDRUcated> yes
[01:54] <eDRUcated> i totally agree
[01:54] <eDRUcated> so how old are you
[01:54] <LaserJock> lets see, I'm 24 now, almost done with my PhD
[01:54] <eDRUcated> and what type of Apple Computer do you have
[01:54] <eDRUcated> wow
[01:54] <eDRUcated> i am impresseed
[01:54] <LaserJock> intel Imac
[01:54] <eDRUcated> impressed**
[01:54] <eDRUcated> i see
[01:54] <eDRUcated> nice
[01:55] <eDRUcated> i am still on my iBook G4
[01:55] <LaserJock> well, my advisor bought it for me so it isn't exactly mine
[01:55] <LaserJock> but I use it like 12 hrs a day
[01:55] <eDRUcated> i am getting a MacBook Pro in 4 weeks
[01:55] <eDRUcated> lol
[01:55] <eDRUcated> i see
[01:55] <eDRUcated> where are you if you dont mind me asking
[01:55] <eDRUcated> and what is your PhD in
[01:56] <LaserJock> Reno, NV and Physical Chemistry
[01:56] <eDRUcated> wow
[01:56] <eDRUcated> i am majoring in Biology
[01:57] <eDRUcated> so we are both Science Majors
[01:57] <eDRUcated> nice
[01:57] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:57] <eDRUcated> what kinda of computer you got at home
[01:58] <LaserJock> I've got  Windows and Ubuntu desktops (1.8GHz AMD) that I'm going to merge this week and a Windows laptop that I do a lot of work from
[01:59] <eDRUcated> i am just on my 14 inch Apple iBook G4 1.4 GHz
[01:59] <eDRUcated> i got 1 GB of RAM
[01:59] <LaserJock> btw,  somewhat off-topic but I lead a team of devs (and interested people) that look after science apps in the Universe repo
[01:59] <eDRUcated> ok, what are you proposing
[01:59] <LaserJock> so if you are ever interested in sciece related apps you can hang out over in #ubuntu-motu ;-)
[01:59] <eDRUcated> ok
[02:00] <eDRUcated> i will remember that
[02:00] <LaserJock> eDRUcated: if you find bugs and stuff or what to get a favorit science app in the repos, there are people who work on those things ;-)
[02:00] <LaserJock> *want
[02:01] <eDRUcated> how do you do the private thing on here
[02:01] <eDRUcated> lol
[02:01] <LaserJock> use /query I think
[02:01] <eDRUcated> like so i can talk to you and just you
[02:03] <HedgeMage> /query nickname   or   /msg nickname
[02:03] <eDRUcated> ok
[05:08] <eDRUcated> ?msg NickServ IDENTIFY 5534
[05:09] <bimberi> eDRUcated: you had better change that password
[05:09] <eDRUcated> lol
[05:09] <eDRUcated> i know
[05:09] <bimberi> :)
[05:09] <eDRUcated> how do i do that
[05:09] <eDRUcated> lol
[05:10] <eDRUcated> help
[05:10] <eDRUcated> someone
[05:10] <eDRUcated> anyone
[05:10] <bimberi> eDRUcated: not sure,  i think it will be '/msg nickserv register <newpassword>' (once you have already identified)
[05:11] <eDRUcated> ok
[05:12] <eDRUcated> thanks
[05:12] <bimberi> eDRUcated: that worked?
[05:12] <eDRUcated> no
[05:13] <eDRUcated> ahhhh
[05:13] <eDRUcated> it is not working
[05:13] <eDRUcated> oh well
[05:13] <eDRUcated> it is fine i guess
[05:13] <eDRUcated> i will have someone else help me out later 
[05:13] <eDRUcated> lol
[05:13] <bimberi> eDRUcated: you're not identified, do that first
[05:14] <bimberi> got it ...
[05:14] <bimberi> /msg nickserv set password <newpassword>
[05:15] <bimberi> (once you've identified)
[05:17] <eDRUcated> ok
[05:17] <eDRUcated> thanks
[05:18] <bimberi> yw :)
[05:18] <eDRUcated> thank you
[05:18] <eDRUcated> hehehe
[05:26] <bimberi> have you heard of schooltool?
[05:26] <bimberi> eDRUcated: ^^^^
[05:26] <eDRUcated> yes
[05:26] <eDRUcated> it is built in
[05:26] <eDRUcated> that is what i am using to schedule and all that good stuff
[05:27] <bimberi> great :)
[05:27] <eDRUcated> all classwork will be done on the edubuntu system
[05:27] <eDRUcated> attendance will be tracked through IRC chat rooms
[05:28] <eDRUcated> when not in the building
[05:28] <eDRUcated> it is a great plan
[05:28] <eDRUcated> just needs to be built
[05:28] <eDRUcated> i have all the ideas in my head
[05:28] <eDRUcated> i just need to learn the system
[05:31] <bimberi> it sounds great
[05:38] <eDRUcated> so do you think you could offer any sort of help
[05:43] <bimberi> eDRUcated: if you have problems ask here and if i'm about and can help i will :)
[05:44] <HedgeMage> so will I :)
[05:45] <bimberi> when not 'mommytasking' :P
[05:45] <HedgeMage> yep :)
[05:46] <HedgeMage> and sometimes while mommytasking :)
[05:55] <HedgeMage> hehe
[05:55] <HedgeMage> a fellow mommy geek? cool. :D
[05:59] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan 
[06:00] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage. How are you today ?
[06:04] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: pretty good... about to put TT (my son) to bed.  I'll be right back
[06:05] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: no worries. My son is busy trying to hit the keyboard
[06:09] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:09] <HedgeMage> how old?
[06:10] <Yagisan> he's 5 months
[06:10] <HedgeMage> awww
[06:11] <Yagisan> he, like his big sister, has a strong interest in the pc
[06:11] <HedgeMage> :)
[06:11] <HedgeMage> ;)
[06:11] <HedgeMage> TT loves it too
[06:12] <Yagisan> my wife thinks I'll turn them into geeks.
[06:12] <HedgeMage> you say that as if it's a bad thing :P
[06:20] <Yagisan> according to mum it is. I do have to consider the fact that I don't have a basement for them to live in too.
[06:21] <HedgeMage> rofl
[06:21] <HedgeMage> hey, I was a geek and I moved out at 17
[06:22] <HedgeMage> I did move back for a few months, but that was extreme circumstances (hubby was deployed and I'd just gotten TT back after a kidnapping)
[06:22] <Yagisan> oh shit
[06:24] <HedgeMage> He's in one piece, he probably won't even remember it, and I got him back... that's what's important :)
[06:25] <Yagisan> happen while shopping ?
[06:25] <HedgeMage> No, a friend of the family was babysitting him and she cracked.
[06:26] <HedgeMage> She and her husband couldn't have kids, and she found out the day or so before that they lost the little girl they were adopting... he was deployed, she freaked out and went loopy
[06:26] <Yagisan> I suppose my not having any baby sitters around for 6000km is a blessing then.
[06:27] <Yagisan> I'm glad your son is safe
[06:27] <HedgeMage> thanks
[06:27] <LaserJock> yeah, that is really horrible
[06:33] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: you work for freenode ?
[06:34] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I wanted to beat her to a bloody pulp... but she was genuinely nuts, not malicious... she didn't hurt him just decided he was her kid... really cracked... I hope she got help
[06:34] <HedgeMage> mostly I didn't because he was watching me
[06:35] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I'm a volunteer network staffer :)
[06:39] <Yagisan> I'm sad to say, both my children have watched me beat the shit out of someone twice my size that wanted to harm them
[06:39] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: Is their a procedure to re-assign control of a channel, when the person that set it up hasn't been seen in over a year ?
[06:40] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I ask, because for a project I'm involved in, we don't have anyone the can devoice rude uses, and kick the ones that are promoting warez
[06:40] <Yagisan> s/uses/users
[06:41] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: is it a #primary channel or an ##about channel?
[06:41] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: the channel is #doomsday
[06:42] <HedgeMage> it's a #primary channel so you need to fill out a GCF and explain the situation in the notes section, I'll grab you a link to the form
[06:44] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: thank you.
[06:44] <HedgeMage> np
[06:44] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml
[06:45] <HedgeMage> make sure to add in there some way for us to confirm you're actually involved with the project (part of the standard procedure)
[06:45] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: GCF confirms are very slow right now as we have a HUGE backlog, but if you remind me over the weekend, I will try to bump you up the list :)
[06:48] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: thanks. It's easy to confirm of part of the project :) I'm the Ubuntu maintainer, I post on the developers blog, and soon, I'll have svn access, once project lead gets his adsl reconnected.
[06:50] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: cool :)
[06:52] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: It's deng, a doom port. :) I ah, taught my 2 year old daughter to play it
[06:52] <Yagisan> she can do map 1 of doom2
[06:52] <Yagisan> mum wasn't happy :()
[06:55] <HedgeMage> I bet. 
[06:55] <HedgeMage> I'd kick hubby's but if he let TT do doom
[06:56] <Yagisan> oddly enough, it's less violent then what's on tv.
[06:57] <Yagisan> but she would rather play with her brother, rather then dad
[06:57] <HedgeMage> we don't let him watch mainstream TV either :P
[06:58] <Yagisan> I watch all the childrens shows before I let my kids watch them
[06:58] <Yagisan> and the vast majority of them
[06:58] <Yagisan> seem to promote stupidity
[06:58] <HedgeMage> yep, but not all
[06:58] <Yagisan> "lets stick our feet into the bucket, not pick it up or walk around it"
[06:59] <Yagisan> there is only a few shows I let them watch now
[06:59] <Yagisan> "Play School" is the main one
[06:59] <Yagisan> actually, I feel old watching that
[06:59] <Yagisan> it's been on air longer then I've been on the planet
[07:03] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: what is your interest in edubuntu ?
[07:14] <bimberi> Yagisan: we use a TiVo to filter TV for our boys.  It just records shows they (and we) like which are on at any time and they can just browse through its interface and pick what they want
[07:15] <bimberi> (this is in .au by the way :) )
[07:18] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: Well, I have been passionate about FOSS in education for a long time.  My first sysadmin gig was for my local school district, and my mom is a teacher... I was part of another edu project a while back but left due to politics :/
[07:19] <HedgeMage> bbiab phone
[07:26] <Yagisan> bimberi: my reception is crap. but I used my pc + tvtuner in my last place to do a similar thing
[07:27] <bimberi> Yagisan: ah - yes you mentioned something about 6000km earlier :)
[07:27] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I have an interest in the ltsp component (it sparks my inner geek), and I'd like my kids to be computer literate when they grow up, so I think this can help
[07:27] <Yagisan> bimberi: yeah. I'm in .au, and grandma + grandpa are in .jp
[07:28] <HedgeMage> back
[07:28] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:28] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: my son loves edubuntu
[07:31] <bimberi> HedgeMage: i checked the logs for the bit i missed.  Just to clarify that i'm a (yet another?) daddy geek.  Sorry to disappoint :)
[07:31] <Yagisan> right. GCF sent. HedgeMage does it give a confirmation ?
[07:32] <bimberi> my eldest loves edubuntu too - and calls himself an edubunut!
[07:32] <Yagisan> bimberi: there seem to be equal mums and dads in here
[07:32] <Yagisan> mine just loves dads pc.
[07:33] <HedgeMage> bimberi: daddy geeks are very cool too :)
[07:33] <bimberi> Yagisan: yes, it's good to see :)
[07:33] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: nope... we call to confirm people manually, that is why it is so slow
[07:33] <Yagisan> of course, who would have thought that daddy geeks would actually reproduce.
[07:34] <bimberi> hehe
[07:36] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:39] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks, I just had a couple of people ask me if Edubuntu CDs will be available via shipit or something similar when Dapper comes out
[07:42] <bimberi> I don't think so (but am not sure).  I recall some discussion about it but I don't think it was considered feasible - the leading lights (highvoltage, ogra, JaneW ...) will know better.
[07:47] <HedgeMage> thanks bimberi 
[07:47] <bimberi> HedgeMage: yw :)
[08:08] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage 
[08:13] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[08:13] <highvoltage> been awake since last we spoke?
[08:14] <HedgeMage> yep
[08:14] <HedgeMage> and since quite a bit before that
[08:15] <HedgeMage> Once I get my cookbook chapters done I think I'm going to take a look at that drupal problem and see if I can come up with a module to add the translation functionality
[08:15] <HedgeMage> it shouldn't be too hard.
[08:15] <Yagisan> bye all
[08:35] <HedgeMage> hi juliux 
[08:35] <juliux> hi HedgeMage 
[08:45] <highvoltage> ogra: does squeak use python?
[08:52] <cbx33> ogra: you around?
[09:24] <highvoltage> bbl
[11:03] <cbx33> ogra: you around
[11:03] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html
[11:03] <cbx33> first draft
[11:32] <pygi> JaneW, spacey, ogra: hi hi
[11:33] <lucasvo> hi pygi 
[11:33] <JaneW> hi pygi 
[11:33] <spacey> hi
[11:34] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[11:36] <pygi> hi lucasvo, and cbx33 
[11:36] <pygi> JaneW: see, we have wrote something :)
[11:37] <pygi> more then it's on wiki tho, considering I am unable to upload my writings right now:-/
[11:37] <pygi> entire part I is written
[11:38] <JaneW> pygi: YAY
[11:38] <JaneW> \o?
[11:38] <JaneW> oops
[11:38] <JaneW> \o/
[11:38] <cbx33> heheh
[11:38] <JaneW> my arm broke
[11:38] <cbx33> \o? - i can't hear you :p
[11:38] <pygi> JaneW: huh, what happened? :/
[11:39] <JaneW> pygi: no, joking, about the messed up cheering person
[11:39] <pygi> aha, oki :)
[11:39] <cbx33> I finished the ltsp-build-client man page
[11:39] <cbx33> well the first draft
[11:39] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html :D
[11:40] <pygi> JaneW: what are you upto right now? working something again? :)
[11:40] <cbx33> oooooh nice on pygi 
[11:41] <pygi> JaneW: ah, what are the projects this time?
[11:41] <JaneW> TBD
[11:42] <JaneW> and we don;t have much time to sort it all out
[11:42] <cbx33> JaneW: anything i can do?
[11:45] <pygi> dang, network :-/
[11:46] <cbx33> which is the build ogra wanted us to test?
[11:46] <cbx33> is it the daily current?
[11:47] <pygi> JaneW: I have suggestion as well :)
[11:49] <JaneW> pygi: mail me please
[11:49] <pygi> JaneW: will do this sec :)
[11:53] <pygi> JaneW: sent
[11:57] <jsgotangco> is that  a man page i see?
[11:57] <pygi> JaneW: I think that would rock for Dapper
[11:57] <pygi> Dapper+1
[12:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco: yes
[12:04] <cbx33> does it look ok?
[12:11] <pygi> JaneW: are you alive? :)
[12:12] <cbx33> does anyone know which version of the cd was the latest one ogra uploaded yesterday...
[12:12] <ogra> cbx33, its always the latest build that needs testing
[12:12] <cbx33> is it the current one?
[12:13] <cbx33> if so I have a fault :p
[12:13] <cbx33> klibc-utils was corrupt
[12:13] <ogra> but wait for 30min, i think there is another one in the works
[12:13] <cbx33> gonna download again to check that this isn't an issue
[12:13] <cbx33> ok
[12:13] <cbx33> does tha man page look ok?
[12:13] <ogra> it wasnt here, make sure not to burn faster than 8x
[12:14] <cbx33> I'm using the .iso file in a vmware
[12:14] <ogra> apart from the config file stuff (which we dont have) it does, yes
[12:14] <cbx33> but they can create a config file no?
[12:15] <ogra> i tested the complete  20060419.1 set for all arches live/install yesterday, there was no issue with klibc ... thats strange
[12:15] <cbx33> want me to download again or wait for you next version
[12:15] <ogra> nope, we neither create nor use the config file
[12:15] <cbx33> I'll remove that section then
[12:16] <ogra> thats a debian invention, i'm still pondering if we want it or not
[12:16] <cbx33> I don;t think it's particularly useful
[12:17] <cbx33> well, lemme know, I'll remove it if you want......how does it look apart from that, up to standard ?? fleshy enough?
[12:17] <ogra> it is in one case, we use usplash on the clients, to get the edubuntu graphics in there, we must install them in the chroot ... thats where this file might help
[12:17] <cbx33> ok
[12:17] <cbx33> it would be good if there was an option to define a config file somewhere?
[12:18] <cbx33> possibly an addition we could make?  then you could hold config files for various chroots?
[12:18] <ogra> its enough to have a standard configfile ... the only thing you need to make sure in such a case is, that the package doesnt handle it as one :)
[12:19] <cbx33> yes
[12:19] <cbx33> I'll remove the config section for now yes?
[12:19] <ogra> then other packages can divert it or change contents, which is not possible in conffiles from packages
[12:19] <ogra> yep
[12:20] <cbx33> does it look fleshy enough apart from that, or are there things you'd like me to change....guess I'm really asking...is it god enough?
[12:21] <ogra> why did you choose a debian mirror string ?
[12:21] <ogra> s/string/url/
[12:21] <cbx33> sorry
[12:21] <cbx33> force of habit
[12:21] <ogra> heh
[12:22] <ogra> argh
[12:22] <cbx33> that'll go anyway
[12:22] <ogra> please remove the ltsp 4.X tools from "see also"
[12:22] <cbx33> ok
[12:23] <ogra> and ltsp-build-client isnt available at ltsp.org
[12:23] <cbx33> so no see also?
[12:23] <ogra> see also ltsp-update-sshkeys
[12:23] <ogra> see also ltsp-update-kernels
[12:23] <cbx33> ok and the kernel one
[12:23] <cbx33> excellent
[12:24] <cbx33> where shall i say it's available from?
[12:24] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/products/ltsp
[12:25] <cbx33> ok excellent
[12:25] <cbx33> I'll make those changes and re up load - do you want me continue to do the other utils?
[12:25] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/dapper would be more correct but is not version independent
[12:25] <cbx33> ok
[12:25] <ogra> sure :)
[12:26] <ogra> thanks for doing that
[12:26] <cbx33> np - is it fleshy enough?
[12:26] <pygi> JaneW: will talk to you by mail :)
[12:26] <ogra> the mirror part could have a note that you can also use file:// urls like file:///cdrom
[12:27] <cbx33> ahh excellent plan
[12:27] <ogra> (thats how the installer uses it in edubuntu)
[12:27] <cbx33> indeed i thought it must
[12:31] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html
[12:33] <ogra> yep, looks great :)
[12:33] <cbx33> excellent
[12:33] <cbx33> do we normally put an authr of manpages ?
[12:33] <cbx33> author
[12:33] <ogra> yep
[12:34] <cbx33> then I'll ship you the link
[12:34] <cbx33> want the .sgml or the .8 file>
[12:34] <ogra> .8 prevents a dependency on conversion tools
[12:35] <ogra> but makes it less good translatable
[12:35] <ogra> lets start with .8 for now
[12:35] <ogra> but dont throw the .sgml away
[12:36] <ogra> (i dont think we'll get a translation before dapper release for it, so i'll take the easier way, but in eft we'll translate it)
[12:36] <ogra> hard to get used to that new name
[12:39] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[12:39] <ogra> JaneW, pong
[12:48] <cbx33> ogra: all my changes are in the sgml that'll be going nowhere
[12:52] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html
[12:53] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-build-client.txt - here's the .8 file
[12:53] <cbx33> just rename it, it wouldn't let me upload a .8 to that server
[12:54] <ogra> yep, will do
[12:54] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[12:54] <cbx33> np
[12:54] <cbx33> hopefully I'll get the other ones done later today, but I got the dentist later on :S - then I got to do some paid work
[12:55] <ogra> take your time, its not a race ;)
[12:59] <cbx33> In my working life I have built a reputation on getting things done quickly - I always try to do things I've said I'll do as quick as I can
[01:01] <cbx33> ogra: that whole CD image was b0rked
[01:01] <ogra> which one was it ?
[01:02] <cbx33> which ever was current about 3 hours ago
[01:02] <cbx33> but it could havebeen just my download
[01:02] <ogra> oh
[01:02] <cbx33> I'm looking at the latest one but it's not up yet
[01:02] <ogra> there are new ones building
[01:02] <cbx33> ok
[01:03] <cbx33> gimme a shout when they are complete, I'll download and install
[01:03] <cbx33> if it' within the next hour I'll get a chance to test it out a little before I go home
[01:03] <cbx33> if not I'll just leave it installing
[01:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060420/ will have the full set within 10mins or so
[01:04] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[01:08] <cbx33> got it ogra downloading now
[01:52] <cbx33> ogra: I'm still getting the klibc-utils error
[01:52] <cbx33> hang on going to check a few things
[01:52] <ogra> cbx33, when exactly do you get it ? 
[01:52] <ogra> during boot, during package copying, during install ?  
[01:53] <cbx33> the md5sums are out
[01:54] <cbx33> but this is odd that it's happened twice in a row
[01:56] <cbx33> oh dear, I think there must have been an issue with the download
[01:59] <cbx33> it keeps b0rking halfway through the install - I got 300Mb of it the first time, only 158 of the sceond....
[01:59] <cbx33> I'm keeping a close eye this time
[01:59] <ogra> use rsync ;)
[02:00] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[02:00] <cbx33> I bookmarked that yesterday :p
[02:00] <ogra> run it with ./rsycner.sh --help to see the options
[02:00] <cbx33> k
[02:00] <ogra> ah, yes, use it then :)
[02:00] <ogra> (rsyncing between two isos currently takes between 2 and 5 mins for me)
[02:03] <cbx33> can it run with no initial iso?
[02:04] <ogra> sure, but then its like wget
[02:04] <cbx33> yes
[02:04] <cbx33> just making sure :o
[02:05] <ogra> just create a edubuntu dir in your current dir, copy the old iso there and run the rsync script
[02:06] <cbx33> ok
[02:06] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[02:23] <cbx33> ogra: installing now, it crashed twice during hardware detection in two difference places, but seems to be ok now
[02:24] <ogra> i'm already past ltsp install on i386
[02:26] <cbx33> grrrr
[02:26] <cbx33> I'm installing base system
[02:27] <cbx33> I'm glad the proxy bit is in there now
[02:27] <ogra> ??
[02:27] <ogra> the installer didnt change since weeks, it was always there
[02:27] <cbx33> for choosing an apt-proxy - it wasn't in breezy
[02:27] <ogra> ah
[02:28] <ogra> vs breezy... ok :)
[02:28] <cbx33> sorry ogra didn;t mean to scare ya
[02:57] <highvoltage> win 21
[03:11] <C-O-L-T> Seveas: Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu BETA is released today right?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> it'll be announced
[03:14] <C-O-L-T> jsgotangco: But as far as I know it will be released today right? At morning I saw the Ubuntu Beta page, there was up for an hour and then dissapeared
[03:16] <jsgotangco> yeah the system is probably still building images as we speak
[03:16] <C-O-L-T> jsgotangco: I see ok I am waiting :))
[03:17] <jsgotangco> there is actually a 20-April build on the server
[03:17] <jsgotangco> after 19.1
[03:26] <cbx33> the latest build is out as the 20-april one
[03:45] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[03:45] <ogra> hey
[03:46] <cbx33> I've noticed one issue, a hang that does resolve itselft
[03:46] <ogra> ppc live/install are good :)
[03:46] <cbx33> but there's no indication about what it's doing
[03:46] <cbx33> excellent
[03:46] <ogra> a "hang" ?
[03:46] <ogra> where, when ?
[03:47] <cbx333> debootstrap: Setting up sysvinit (2.86.ds1-6ubuntu26) ...
[03:47] <cbx333> debootstrap: sysvinit: creating /dev/initctldebootstrap: init:debootstrap: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initct
[03:48] <ogra> you can check what its doing on console 4
[03:48] <cbx333> then it sits there for a good 4-5 minutes at 48%
[03:48] <cbx333> that is console 4
[03:48] <ogra> ah, k
[03:48] <cbx333> it's just sitting there not showing me a lot
[03:48] <cbx333> I don't know the reason
[03:48] <cbx333> just thought I'd mention it
[03:48] <cbx333> want me to ML it later?
[03:48] <ogra> what is shown on console 1 ?
[03:49] <cbx333> I can't remember off hand it is what ever is at 48% on installing the base system
[03:49] <cbx333> :p
[03:49] <cbx333> I'll check it out again later, my full install is just finishing
[03:49] <cbx333> ltsp is done
[03:49] <ogra> no, thats enough, just wanted to know which stage it was
[03:49] <cbx33> it's during the debootstrap phase
[03:51] <ogra> there are two bootstrap phases ;)
[03:52] <ogra> thats why i asked
[03:52] <cbx33> ah, sorry ogra, havnt delved into the install that much
[03:52] <ogra> no, its fine, jaust wanted to telly you ;)
[03:53] <cbx33> thank you...it's all good knowledge :p
[03:57] <pygi> JaneW, ogra: around?
[03:57] <ogra> pygi, very busy, whats up ?
[03:58] <JaneW> pygi: ditto, and got your mail
[03:58] <JaneW> byt the way anyone over 18 registered as a student can sign up for Google SoC 2006
[03:58] <JaneW> http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html
[03:59] <pygi> ogra: nothing, just wanted to ask you do you like the idea :)
[03:59] <pygi> JaneW: ye, ye, I know
[04:00] <pygi> when does a spec needs to be` done JaneW, except right now? :)
[04:00] <ogra> sorry, i cant get mail currently, will read it if i have a working evo again
[04:00] <pygi> ogra: kk
[04:00] <JaneW> pretty soon the timeline is here
[04:00] <JaneW> http://code.google.com/soc/studentfaq.html#42
[04:00] <pygi> 1 May I think the applications start
[04:01] <pygi> hm, will monday do?
[04:03] <pygi> JaneW: perhaps it would be better for me to mentor that project 
[04:04] <pygi> unless ogra wants/have time for it
[04:05] <pygi> ah, nvm, your busy
[04:05] <pygi> I'll just try to write the spec
[04:06] <cbx33> ogra: still installing  :)
[04:07] <ogra> great :)
[04:11] <pygi> JaneW: enjoy :-)
[04:11] <pygi> you too ogra
[04:12] <jsgotangco> mentoring
[04:13] <ogra> would have been helpful if he had said *what* he wannts to mentor :)
[04:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:13] <cbx33> i didn;t like to ask
[04:13] <cbx33> :p
[04:13] <cbx33> when do the other ltsp scripts get run ogra?
[04:14] <ogra> if you see "Building LTSP Chroot" on console 1
[04:14] <ogra> with a very lame progressbar ;)
[04:16] <cbx33> ahhhhhh
[04:16] <cbx33> that's the bugger
[04:16] <cbx33> presumably it's the kernel one that takes the time
[04:16] <ogra> i have a fix pending for that progress thing, but wasnt allowed to get it in anymore
[04:17] <ogra> (as well as i have a dhcpd.conf autogenerator pending)
[04:17] <cbx33> nice
[04:17] <cbx33> i've not ever had to initiate those scripts, can u give me a brief what they do
[04:17] <cbx33> just so i can flesh out in the man page
[04:17] <ogra> the installer ? 
[04:18] <ogra> it just calls "chroot /target ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom"
[04:18] <cbx33> i meant the update keys and kernel scripts
[04:18] <ogra> ltsp-build-client in turn calls -update-kernels and then -update-sshkeys
[04:19] <cbx33> ok
[04:19] <ogra> if you do a kernel update in the chroot, you need to run -update-kernels amnually
[04:19] <cbx33> i see
[04:19] <ogra> if you change IP settings of the machine, you need to run -update-sshkeys afterwards to make the ssh client in the chroot aware of it
[04:20] <cbx33> ok
[04:20] <cbx33> thank you ogra as I said I've never needed them so far
[04:20] <ogra> -update kernels copies the kernel and initramfs from the chroot to the tftp dir, so the chroot kernel will be provided by the tftpserver
[04:21] <cbx33> yes i see that by the script
[04:21] <ogra> (additionally it sets up PXE or yaboot for booting)
[04:21] <cbx33> and etherboot too
[04:21] <ogra> not by default
[04:21] <ogra> etherboot needs manual love
[04:21] <cbx33> heheh
[04:22] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPEtherbootSetup
[04:22] <cbx33> yes
[04:22] <ogra> i'll enhance the script to care for it automatically in eft
[04:22] <cbx33> i read that one earolier
[04:22] <cbx33> nice 
[04:31] <cbx33> grrr....this is taking ages....that'll teach me for using VM
[04:34] <Yagisan> w00t. my documentation gets another plug
[04:35] <cbx33> is a grouchy Yagisan a baaaad thing?
[04:35] <Yagisan> I got my membership application for an upstream project accepted because I fixed documentation, and linux build scripts
[04:35] <cbx33> nice one, 
[04:35] <cbx33> I'm thinking of applying for edubuntu membership status soon....hope i get accepted
[04:36] <ogra> sure you will :)
[04:36] <highvoltage> :)
[04:36] <Yagisan> cbx33: yeah. ever seen an angry goat ? now imagine a larger smarter one.
[04:36] <cbx33> yikes
[04:36] <cbx33> WOW - you guys think so?
[04:36] <ogra> :))
[04:36] <Yagisan> cbx33: I don't see why not
[04:36] <highvoltage> shouldn't that be edubuntero?
[04:36] <cbx33> indeed it should
[04:37] <cbx33> when's the next edubuntu CC meeting?
[04:37] <ogra> next ?
[04:37] <ogra> you mean the firts ;)
[04:37] <cbx33> first
[04:37] <highvoltage> ogra: have you seen anagramarama? looks like nice software for edubuntu
[04:37] <ogra> *first
[04:37] <cbx33> haha beat ya :p
[04:37] <ogra> not yet
[04:37] <ogra> i was to busy with the beta the last days
[04:37] <Yagisan> ogra: so what do I need to say for my membership ?
[04:37] <ogra> havent even seen the sun :)
[04:38] <cbx33> and replaces one
[04:38] <cbx33> ogre
[04:38] <cbx33> that's what came to mind when yo usaid you'd seen no sunlight
[04:39] <cbx33> i imagined a large grissly edubuntero
[04:40] <cbx33> i must update my wiki
[04:40] <cbx33> been so busy i havn't had time
[04:42] <ogra> dont forget to mention the manpage work and the testing support ;)
[04:42] <cbx33> indeed i won't
[04:48] <cbx33> ooh ooh ooh it's finished instlling
[04:55] <cbx33> I'm impressed blender 2.41 :D
[04:56] <cbx33> ogra: is ltsp-utils going to be in dapper?
[04:57] <ogra> in universe
[04:57] <cbx33> not in the default install
[04:57] <cbx33> ?
[04:57] <ogra> since it trashes your ltsp setup, its not, no :)
[04:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: don't use ltsp-utils
[04:57] <cbx33> I'm used to breezy
[04:58] <Bluekuja> hi #edubuntu
[04:58] <Bluekuja> :)
[04:58] <cbx33> hi andrea
[04:58] <Bluekuja> hi pete
[04:58] <Bluekuja> ;)
[04:58] <cbx33> ;)
[04:58] <Bluekuja> hi mr ogra and mr highvoltage
[04:58] <Yagisan> G'day Bluekuja
[04:58] <Bluekuja> hi Yagisan :)
[04:58] <cbx33> Good Afternoon Mr Bluekuja 
[04:58] <Bluekuja> hehe
[04:59] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: how is going with the website?
[04:59] <cbx33> :p
[04:59] <Bluekuja> ^^
[05:00] <Bluekuja> i need to wait highvoltage for news about italian language on drupal
[05:00] <Yagisan> cbx33: you're a pom. you poor thing ;)
[05:00] <Bluekuja> still waiting it on launchpad
[05:00] <cbx33> Yagisan: indeed I am....
[05:00] <highvoltage> hi Bluekuja 
[05:00] <cbx33> I'm poor too, it;'s true
[05:00] <Bluekuja> hi jon
[05:00] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:00] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: just a few secs...
[05:00] <Yagisan> cbx33: so, you'll move down here after you retire then
[05:01] <Bluekuja> okie 
[05:01] <cbx33> ooooh dunno...I may run into the angry smart goat then :p
[05:01] <Bluekuja> Yagisan, cbx33 
[05:02] <Bluekuja> are you good with irc-servers?
[05:02] <Bluekuja> services to connect to them etc
[05:02] <cbx33> what do you need ?
[05:02] <Bluekuja> i need to create a irc server
[05:02] <Bluekuja> with services
[05:02] <cbx33> bahamut is good with services if i recall
[05:02] <Yagisan> Bluekuja: sorry mate. I haven't set one up.
[05:02] <Bluekuja> i was trying to connect services but it seems that nothing work
[05:02] <Bluekuja> server works good
[05:02] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: i was very dissapointed, drupal's .po and .pot files only contained drupal translations, not the actual content
[05:03] <Bluekuja> oh
[05:03] <Bluekuja> so i have to translate all
[05:03] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: so I asked on #drupal and they said that Drupal doesn't have content translations :(
[05:03] <Bluekuja> eheh 
[05:03] <cbx33> right I'm off guys
[05:03] <Bluekuja> aww
[05:03] <cbx33> catch you all later....
[05:03] <highvoltage> cheers cbx33 
[05:03] <Bluekuja> okie cya
[05:03] <cbx33> I'll bbl or tomorrow
[05:03] <Yagisan> ../../Src/Unix/sys_dylib.c:30:23: error: sys_dylib.h: No such file or directory
[05:03] <highvoltage> Yagisan: how so?
[05:03] <Bluekuja> thats not a good news
[05:03] <Yagisan> yet it is clearly there
[05:03] <cbx33> bye highvoltage  Bluekuja  Yagisan  ogra 
[05:03] <ogra> ciao
[05:03] <Yagisan> bye cbx33
[05:04] <Bluekuja> ciauz
[05:04] <ogra> thanks for all the help 
[05:04] <cbx33> np
[05:04] <cbx33> ogra: it looks good btw...all works :p
[05:04] <cbx33> i'll test more tomorrow
[05:04] <cbx33> prolly get the docs for using a different dhcp server started
[05:04] <ogra> yep, it worked here as well... on all 3 arches
[05:04] <Bluekuja> ogra: i gonna translate this page http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[05:04] <Bluekuja> it would be usefull?
[05:05] <ogra> Bluekuja, great, but let us finish it first
[05:05] <Bluekuja> ok
[05:05] <Bluekuja> ping me when done
[05:05] <ogra> its not completely in shape yet
[05:05] <Bluekuja> okie perfect
[05:05] <ogra> yup, will jump on it next week
[05:05] <Bluekuja> it will be operative and translated in italian
[05:05] <Bluekuja> just ping me
[05:06] <Bluekuja> i'll put that on edubuntu space in italian loco
[05:06] <Bluekuja> ;)
[05:06] <ogra> and into the -docs package indeed ;)
[05:06] <Bluekuja> yes of course
[05:06] <Bluekuja> :)
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm going to ask you some things about that doc later tonight, ie: what stuff it needs to be finished.
[05:07] <ogra> highvoltage, there is some stuff we'll need to change
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: we might have different ideas of what it still needs :)
[05:07] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: how its going with the website?
[05:07] <ogra> the lts.conf needs a lot of correction ...
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, will you be available to point them out to me?
[05:07] <Bluekuja> final release on?
[05:07] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: 1 June
[05:08] <ogra> i.e. it will break if you use IMPS/" there which is autodetected
[05:08] <Bluekuja> ok perfect
[05:08] <ogra> i didnt wnat to make much changes to the text
[05:08] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, can you give me those details when i'm home a bit later?
[05:08] <ogra> highvoltage, not today, i slept ~4h in the last 3 days ... 
[05:09] <ogra> need some relaxing now that beta is released
[05:09] <highvoltage> shees
[05:09] <Bluekuja> how much coffee ogra?
[05:09] <highvoltage> ogra: sure. i will add to it, and then get feedback from a more refreshed ogra later :)
[05:09] <ogra> not as much as usual ...
[05:09] <Bluekuja> hehe
[05:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: planet misses you
[05:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:09] <ogra> i'm getting old, my belly doent like too much coffee anymore :)
[05:09] <Bluekuja> ehheeh
[05:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll start blogging agian soon
[05:10] <highvoltage> ogra: please make some edubuntu food when you're all refreshed and dapper is released, so that we can teas dholbach about it
[05:10] <jsgotangco> the last time i saw you blog was the time you were in sydney
[05:10] <ogra> dholbach already poked me to blog about my new car which i found a bit ... well non ubuntu :)
[05:10] <highvoltage> ogra: does it run windows!?
[05:10] <ogra> it *has* windows ...
[05:10] <highvoltage> ogra: please don't tell me you bought a BMW
[05:10] <highvoltage> ogra: I mean, MS windows :)
[05:10] <ogra> it also runs them from A to B :)
[05:11] <ogra> highvoltage, i already have 2 BMWs
[05:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:11] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:11] <ogra> i just got rid of one
[05:11] <highvoltage> BMW's are so non-ubuntu.
[05:11] <highvoltage> ogra: so what car did you buy then? i can't think of another car that's really non-ubuntu.
[05:12] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/2CAF65BCd01.jpg
[05:12] <ogra> but not for driving, only for restauration ... its ~25 years old 
[05:12] <highvoltage> what's so non-ubuntu about it?
[05:12] <highvoltage> it's red!
[05:12] <ogra> its a car
[05:12] <highvoltage> it fits nice with the edubuntu theme.
[05:13] <Yagisan> needs a big edubuntu logo on the hood
[05:13] <ogra> it will get a big edubuntu logo on the front later :)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> would you like to have naked women inside to make it more ubuntu?
[05:13] <highvoltage> hehehehhe!
[05:13] <ogra> jsgotangco, i could ask my GF :)
[05:13] <highvoltage> dholbach won't be able to compete with that!
[05:14] <Yagisan> yes. you can censor the pics with edubuntu logos ;)
[05:14] <ogra> heh
[05:14] <Yagisan> unfortunately the target audience won't be able to see the pics, but thats life
[05:14] <ogra> no, really its just to get me out of that chair where i spend more than 14h/day and get fat ...
[05:15] <ogra> fixing old cars is a hobby i have since i was 16
[05:15] <highvoltage> wow. i never knew that.
[05:15] <jsgotangco> so you prefer caburetor than fuel injection?
[05:16] <highvoltage> s/nominates/nominate
[05:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, really depends ...
[05:17] <jsgotangco> i guess you're a DTM fan?
[05:17] <Bluekuja> soon ,i have to reboot to install again flight 6 so brb
[05:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, i wouldnt like an injection in my old sidecar motorbike :)
[05:17] <ogra> but i wouldnt like to miss the mechanical injection in that porsche
[05:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:18] <jsgotangco> you'll probably laugh at my car
[05:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, i *hate* everything that has to do with sports :)
[05:18] <ogra> even DTM
[05:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: what car do you have?
[05:18] <jsgotangco> even motorsports?
[05:18] <ogra> yep
[05:18] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it's called a Picanto from KIA
[05:18] <ogra> i occasionally watch snooker on tv
[05:18] <jsgotangco> like a poor man's MINI
[05:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: but that's a newish car, isn't it?
[05:19] <jsgotangco> yes and cheap
[05:19] <ogra> and paris-dakar every year, but thats about it
[05:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: my car is even cheaper :)
[05:19] <jsgotangco> really i can actually bear to watch le mans
[05:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, i live about 20Km away from the nrburgring here, but i never watched a race ...
[05:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: jeezz
[05:20] <highvoltage> i have a bike, it's a Gomoto Freedom 125 - http://www.gomoto.co.za/
[05:20] <jsgotangco> i once drove at the fun park at twin ring motegi in japan
[05:20] <jsgotangco> it was fun
[05:20] <highvoltage> and car is a VW CITI Golf
[05:20] <Yagisan> I have a pair of legs that actually work
[05:21] <highvoltage> citi golfs look like this: http://www.mccarthyvw.co.za/Showroom/Citi/Colours/generic.gif
[05:21] <ogra> highvoltage, hey that reminds me on my yamaha rd80 mx i drove to turkey with when i was 17
[05:21] <highvoltage> http://cybercapetown.com/carhire/images/citi-golf.jpg
[05:21] <highvoltage> ogra: wow, that sounds like fun!
[05:21] <ogra> (the bike)
[05:21] <ogra> yup, it was
[05:21] <highvoltage> how far is turkey from germany?
[05:21] <ogra> took me 6 weeks to get to istanbul
[05:21] <ogra> ~3000km
[05:22] <jsgotangco> whoa
[05:22] <highvoltage> amazing.
[05:22] <ogra> yeah that was fun 
[05:22] <ogra> my mother died from fear
[05:22] <jsgotangco> the nice thing i dig about eu is that its possible to roam around the place on whatever method you want
[05:23] <ogra> yep
[05:23] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: well, that was possible without the EU as well
[05:23] <ogra> we're not iran :)
[05:23] <lucasvo> I didn't have any problem to go to germany, italy, austria, france without Personenfreizuegigkeitsabkommen
[05:24] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: ah i eman europe in general...
[05:25] <lucasvo> yeah, I was in Poland as well which doesn't belong to eu, without a visum
[05:25] <ogra> it does now
[05:25] <ogra> (since quite some time already)
[05:25] <lucasvo> the americans are the only ones playing big brother with their visa
[05:26] <lucasvo> I was there 3 years ago
[05:27] <jsgotangco> i dont like it there at all
[05:27] <ogra> wow
[05:27] <jsgotangco> even though my parents and my siblins already live there
[05:27] <highvoltage> ogra: did you use any Yoda quotes on your mother?
[05:27] <ogra> highvoltage, to calm her ? 
[05:27] <ogra> nope
[05:27] <highvoltage> ogra: for other reasons!?
[05:28] <ogra> thats something she needed to learn anyway ;)
[05:28] <highvoltage> if you want to feel better about your mobile bill, i can send you mine :)
[05:28] <ogra> and she got me back in one piece, so all was fine :)
[05:28] <ogra> highvoltage, my bill this month are 1.44 
[05:29] <ogra> i doubt you need to send me yours ;)
[05:29] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:29] <highvoltage> hehe
[05:29] <highvoltage> i'll go back to pre-paid when i don't need to use my mobile for internet anymore
[05:29] <lucasvo> how much do you pay per min to call from mobile to mobile?
[05:29] <ogra> but now i need good roaming 
[05:29] <Yagisan> night all
[05:29] <ogra> night Yagisan 
[05:29] <jsgotangco> canoncical can afford to pay your bills
[05:29] <highvoltage> night Yagisan 
[05:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, nah, i can claim parts of it back from tax
[05:30] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: well, if it is less than a beer, I hope so :)
[05:30] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i get 300 free minutes a month for off-peak times (which i have never used up)
[05:30] <ogra> if i travel, my bill is usually above 100 
[05:30] <highvoltage> lucasvo: peak charges are about R2.70 per minute
[05:30] <lucasvo> R?
[05:30] <ogra> rand
[05:31] <highvoltage> lucasvo: thats US$0.41
[05:31] <jsgotangco> whoa long email on sounder
[05:32] <ogra> lucasvo, i usually dont use phones at all ... :) 
[05:32] <lucasvo> anybody has a blackberry?
[05:32] <lucasvo> evo sucks :)
[05:32] <highvoltage> evo is nice.
[05:32] <lucasvo> their imap interpretation is crappy
[05:32] <highvoltage> i switched to thunderbird because evo was unstable in breezy
[05:32] <ogra> evo is fine 
[05:33] <ogra> (if it works)
[05:33] <highvoltage> but when evo got more stable i switched back
[05:33] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/40236
[05:33] <ogra> its not stable for me currently
[05:33] <lucasvo> well, I had to repair my .evolution directory 4 times
[05:33] <highvoltage> ok, bbl...
[05:33] <lucasvo> ogra: do you use imap?
[05:33] <ogra> yep
[05:34] <Bluekuja> cya guys have a nice day , be back later
[05:34] <lucasvo> cya Bluekuja 
[05:34] <lucasvo> ogra: is your sent folder on the server?
[05:34] <ogra> noipe
[05:34] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: i used to, till i swtiched to Sony Ericsson
[05:35] <lucasvo> see, that sucks, it is technically not possible if you have Inbox as /
[05:35] <lucasvo> it doesn't accept INBOX/Sent as Sent
[05:35] <lucasvo> so if I connect to my IMAP server I see Inbox with subfolders: Sent, Drafts,Spam
[05:36] <lucasvo> if I open it in thunderbird I have the Folders Inbox, Sent, Drafts, Spam
[05:36] <lucasvo> they refused to implement this function
[05:37] <lucasvo> ogra: so, what do you do if you are on your ibook and want so see, what mails you sent on your workstation?
[05:37] <ogra> lucasvo, nothing, i usually read my mails only from one machine
[05:38] <lucasvo> I have a notebook, an account in my school, a blackberry, a workstation
[05:38] <lucasvo> I check my mail on all of them
[05:38] <jsgotangco> it seems a lot of specs are being registered in LP but most of them are wishlists
[06:29] <lns> Hi all
[06:56] <LaserJock> hi lns
[06:56] <lns> Hey LaserJock 
[06:57] <lns> You know I'm so happy the LTSP is around - I've always been a huge fan of thin client networks
[06:57] <lns> Putting power at each desk seems illogical to me
[07:05] <LaserJock> I've never done anything with LTSP, I'll have to try it some time. I don't know on what, but it sounds cool
[07:14] <lucasvo> !seen Yagisan
[07:14] <ubotu> yagisan <n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1h 44m 27s ago, saying: 'night all'.
[07:15] <Petaris> Is there a specific iso for the edubuntu ltsp?
[07:16] <LaserJock> I think just the edubuntu iso
[07:16] <Petaris> ok
[07:16] <Petaris> thanks
[07:16] <lucasvo> Petaris: the edubuntu-server packages installs the complete ltsp 
[07:17] <Petaris> right
[07:17] <Petaris> how stable is the dapper beta?
[07:17] <lucasvo> so if you have ubuntu installed you can just 'sudo apt-get install edubuntu-server'
[07:17] <Petaris> this is going to be a clean install
[07:17] <lucasvo> Petaris: it is already Beta. It's stable enough for me
[07:18] <lucasvo> Petaris: then, if you use the edubuntu cd, type "server" 
[07:18] <lucasvo> when it asks you to enter bootparams or press enter
[07:18] <lucasvo> Petaris: I didn't have problem with any of the apps I am using
[07:18] <Petaris> right
[07:18] <Petaris> I just need basics mostly
[07:19] <Petaris> firefox+flash+openoffice+gtypist+vmplayer (don't ask)
[07:19] <lns> sorry
[07:19] <lns> didn't mean to start a conversation and leave =p
[07:20] <lucasvo> Petaris: I use vmplayer as well :)
[07:20] <LaserJock> doesn't everybody ;-)
[07:20] <lucasvo> yes, with a windows full of commercial software :)
[07:20] <Petaris> the curent k12ltsp server tanks with some softwares
[07:20] <Petaris> *softwares running in a win98 vm image
[07:21] <Petaris> one software called Music Ace 2 tanked it today with only 5 users
[07:21] <Petaris> :/
[07:21] <lns> how difficult would it be for an interface to select apps that you would want to run locally on a thin client instead of over the network? I'm curious, this would be invaluable for not only Edubuntu thin client setups but any LTSP/x11 setup
[07:22] <lucasvo> lns: well, probably it would take quite a time :)
[07:22] <Petaris> lns: I have been searching for that exact thing
[07:22] <Petaris> including running alsa locally
[07:22] <lucasvo> Petaris, lns: set up a bounty 
[07:22] <lucasvo> maybe somebody implements it
[07:22] <lns> that would be really cool
[07:23] <lns> lucasvo, where do you set up stuff like that?
[07:23] <Petaris> I don't need it to be selectable
[07:23] <Petaris> just set it in a config file or something
[07:23] <lucasvo> lns: a bounty? on launchpad.net
[07:23] <lns> oh ok
[07:24] <Petaris> I was thinking of pushing some of those apps local using a ram disk
[07:25] <Petaris> the ram disk would have a slimmed down /dev and would grab the other goodies from the server
[07:25] <lucasvo> Petaris: well, you can do that
[07:25] <Petaris> audio really needs improvement
[07:25] <lucasvo> people are using it for VoIP for e.g.
[07:25] <Petaris> hrm
[07:26] <lucasvo> I have read an article about this in some magazine
[07:26] <Petaris> cool
[07:27] <Petaris> I think if we have nice enough clients we could push out some of the more intensive apps and processing to them locally
[07:28] <Petaris> a 1 GHz proc with 512 MB RAM for example 
[07:28] <Petaris> these days RAM is usually pretty cheap
[07:28] <lucasvo> yeah, ogra is doing a mythtv-image in his leisuretime :)
[07:29] <Petaris> He was talking about working on audio too
[07:29] <Petaris> switching from nasd and esd to something else
[07:31] <lns> alsa?
[07:31] <lns> alsa doesn't do network transport does it?
[07:32] <Petaris> no
[07:32] <Petaris> I wan't to see if we could run also locally on the clients
[07:32] <Petaris> it would solve lots of audio issues
[07:33] <Petaris> thats why the local /dev on the clients
[07:33] <Petaris> to hold dsp and mixer
[07:33] <lns> well true you need whatever libraries a program uses locally if you want to run it locally in LTSP
[07:33] <Petaris> not to mention local usb thumb drives etc
[07:33] <Petaris> right
[07:33] <Petaris> or at least make it think that they are local
[07:33] <Petaris> :)
[07:34] <lns> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalAppFirefox
[07:34] <lns> that might help you Petaris 
[07:34] <lns> one could use that as a template
[07:35] <Petaris> right, I've looked at that before
[07:35] <Petaris> but it seems to me that firefox runs pretty nice from the server
[07:39] <lns> yes, but things like plugins (flash, streaming video) probably would be sluggish
[07:40] <lns> I would say any app that is video/sound intensive (video player/editor/plugin, graphically intensive games) need to be run locally
[07:43] <Burgwork> ogra, you will be happy to note that polypaudio just made another release
[07:44] <Burgwork> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/polypaudio-0.8
[07:52] <ogra> Burgwork, nice, but i doubt we'll use it anyway
[07:52] <Burgwork> ogra, true
[07:53] <ogra> gstreamer is the way to go, until then i ddint plan to redo the sound stuf
[07:53] <ogra> f
[07:53] <Petaris> Hello ogra
[07:53] <ogra> hi
[07:59] <cbx33> evenin
[08:00] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[08:00] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[08:00] <cbx33> howz it all going
[08:01] <LaserJock> ok, I guess
[08:01] <cbx33> ogra, I've gotten one of those man pages done, there's a spelling mistake on the one I shipped to you - is now corrected, I'll try to bzr it now I'm home....did you get my message about the bzr repo needing reconciling??
[08:01] <cbx33> I couldn't complete the export
[08:02] <ogra> did you get my message about wiping the contents you pulled with the old version ? :)
[08:03] <cbx33> heheh obviously not :p
[08:03] <ogra> ;)
[08:03] <ogra> try that
[08:03] <cbx33> thanx bud, will try that
[08:03] <ogra> there are many people working with that branch, so it should work
[08:03] <ogra> else i'd have gotten complaints already 
[08:04] <cbx33> yeh yeh, my stupidity
[08:04] <cbx33> :p
[08:05] <cbx33> any other docs you need me to work on after that....those two are really short
[08:05] <ogra> not right now
[08:06] <cbx33> anything else apart from docs you need doing?
[08:06] <ogra> i'm about to crash, the last three days with beta preparation were a bit exhausting
[08:06] <cbx33> I'll be doing more testing tomorrow
[08:06] <ogra> cool :)
[08:06] <cbx33> can i just ask, what do we use now to administer the ltsp server?
[08:06] <ogra> apt :)
[08:07] <ogra> and an editor for an optional lts.conf 
[08:07] <cbx33> righteeee-ho
[08:07] <cbx33> really disliking those ltsp-utils :p
[08:08] <ogra> eft will get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/
[08:08] <ogra> (i hope)
[08:09] <cbx33> nice
[08:09] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[08:09] <cbx33> well go crash ogra you desserve it
[08:09] <cbx33> have a nice rest
[08:10] <ogra> i'll have to write the announcement later but now i'll take a rest first :)
[08:11] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[08:11] <cbx33> which announcement?
[08:12] <cbx33> howz it going highvoltage?  need any help with anything?
[08:12] <highvoltage> goodnight, ogra.
[08:12] <ogra> highvoltage, nah, i'll come back :)
[08:12] <highvoltage> ogra: ok :)
[08:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think i'm going to take an early night :)
[08:13] <highvoltage> 20:13 -!- Irssi: Join to #edubuntu was synced in 284 secs
[08:13] <highvoltage> hehe. talk about a fast connection...
[08:14] <cbx33> heh, np
[08:14] <cbx33> you've all got my mail if you need any odd jobs done
[10:45] <cbx33> blimey quiet in here tonight
[10:47] <lucasvo> yeah
[11:13] <Bluekuja> ogra: are you there?
[11:29] <Bluekuja> goodnight #edubuntu