[12:05] the themeing [12:05] I'm using Dapper flight 6, will it change from that? [12:05] yep [12:05] right on =) [12:05] can you describe the changes? I'm really curious [12:05] at least the wallpaper of the default theme will be rather neutral [12:05] oh cool [12:06] lns: exactly, but why not make another theme? [12:06] install more advanced apps [12:06] the "young" theme will get another wallpaper [12:06] and the "plain" theme wont change [12:06] that's good - some feedback i got from my customer was "a lot of kids older than 9 won't like the little girl, especially the boys" [12:06] hehe [12:06] btw, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork if youre on dapper [12:07] lucasvo, i don't see anything wrong with making another theme [12:07] (only works if you use the default theme with the user you log in with) [12:07] but in a university, most people won't want apps like "tux type" and "potato guy" ;) (even though i love them both and i'm 25) [12:08] lns: hm, yes, I would like to calculate with complex numbers [12:08] :) [12:08] ogra, thanks i'll do that when i'm there next =) [12:08] is there a very very very advanced calculator licensed under gpl? [12:08] or is a Texas Instruments the only whay to go ? [12:08] i'm sure there are tons [12:09] lucasvo, apt-cache search calculator [12:09] heh, you've beaten me [12:09] ogra, will the reconf of artwork change anybody's already modified backgrounds? [12:09] nope [12:09] only the system defaults [12:09] cool [12:09] oh here's another thing i got today [12:10] if that is overriden by a user config already it wont change [12:10] the staff was confused as to where the pics from "Tuxpaint" went because the kids wanted to make their background what they did in that pgm [12:10] maybe, by default we could consider changing the $savedir var into a non-hidden directory in their home dirs? [12:10] hmm, good question [12:10] just a thought [12:11] yep, sounds sane [12:11] right now it's saved in ~/.tuxpaint/saved/ [12:11] awesome! =) [12:11] but i'm not sure how that affects upgrades indeed :/ [12:11] i.e. former users wont find their pics anymore [12:12] ogra: maybe make a script that copies the files [12:12] well if we modify /etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf it won't overwrite it upon upgrade by default, right? [12:12] oh yeah [12:12] i was gonna do it by hand... [12:12] <--- needs to learn scripting really really badly [12:12] lucasvo, that'd need to *always* be wrapped around the prog then [12:13] thats not a good idea ... [12:13] and you cant do it in the package either, because it affects userdata ... [12:14] what about making a script and just making it available on edubuntu website for those who want to use it? [12:14] that will still require them to read that page ... [12:15] maybe ask if the user wants to have the data saved in .tuxpaint or in another folder. and also write that changing will affect userdata [12:15] dont forget, we have many users that have no internet access ... [12:15] lucasvo, ask when/where ? [12:15] ogra: during installation [12:15] like dhcp asks for an IP [12:16] ogra: can't one determine if it is a fresh install or if it is an update? === lucasvo is an absolute .deb noob [12:16] installer questions are a big nono [12:16] i think asking that question would confuse a LOT of users especially if they're teachers with no linux experience [12:17] we already have some more than ubuntu/kubuntu [12:17] which is not appreciated but unavoidable if you install a dhcp server distro ... [12:18] or maybe just make a script that runs instead of tuxpaint. which copies all the files to a more reasonable place and than runs tuxpaint [12:18] thats what i meant above, you'll carry this around for eternity [12:18] hehe [12:19] ogra: ah yes [12:19] what about creating a symlink that's not hidden? [12:19] you dont know from which version a user updates [12:19] lns, thats an option === lns loves symlinks [12:20] that way there's no actual config changes either [12:20] but you need to patch the program ... to create the symlink if its not there [12:21] (which should be configurable, so you even add a new config option) [12:21] ahh true === lucasvo loves a 10lines long ./configure :) [12:23] is there any way in gnome to detect the first time an app is launched for each user? [12:23] like the absense of gconf settings, etc? [12:26] anyway, I go now [12:26] good night [12:26] later lucasvo! [12:39] could we communicate this feature request upstream to tuxpaint? [12:39] maybe if they make the change in the package it would be better? then we don't have to worry about patching, etc.? [12:40] lucasvo: are you still here? [12:42] LaserJock: well, I just brushed my teeth :) [12:42] lucasvo: sorry, I was setting up a laser flurescence lab [12:42] cool [12:43] lucasvo: yes, I'm interested in university (especially scientific) use of Ubuntu in general and Edubuntu [12:44] I am interested in using ubuntu for myself, so advanced math in highschool and chemistry and other things [12:45] LaserJock: what are you using it for at the moment? [12:46] lucasvo: well, I use Ubuntu for as much as I can, writing papers, presentations, data collection, data analysis [12:46] gnuplot? [12:46] heck yeah [12:46] actually I'm moving stuff over to python [12:47] so I'm trying to get matplotlib set up instead of gnuplot [12:47] although there is a gnuplot wrapper for python [12:47] I use scipy quite a bit [12:48] I'd like to put together some metapackages for science fields [12:49] for edgy [12:49] yeah, that would be cool [12:50] lucasvo: so you want to do some complex number calculations? [12:52] yeah, but atm, I prefer to sleep [12:52] :) [12:52] cu tomorrow === eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1050.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] hello === HedgeMage peeks in [01:01] hi eDRUcated [01:01] hi [01:01] hello [01:02] so you all use edubuntu [01:02] and/or work on it :) [01:02] cool [01:03] i was considering it for my next OS [01:03] i am a 19 yo science major === HedgeMage nods [01:03] well, if you have questions, we're here to help [01:03] i am planning on starting up my own private home schooling type facility [01:03] ok [01:04] thank you [01:04] so what is your background Mage [01:05] I've been using Linux for about 10 years, give or take, and working with various educational FOSS projects for about that long... my mom's a teacher, I have taken on a lot of (informal) teaching roles over the years, and my son uses edubuntu :) [01:06] what kind of "facility" are you talking about (and what country are you in?) === HedgeMage is curious [01:06] i am in the US but i am moving to Canada really soon to countinue my education. [01:07] i am planning on a private home school for grade 7 and up [01:08] i would like some info on how to start up a server network so that the student in my school can learn from home and in the building [01:09] and how to setup a irc server for the students and teachers to use as well === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:10] :) [01:11] hedge are you there [01:12] yep [01:12] sorry, I tend to pop in and out [01:12] oo [01:12] ok [01:12] sorry [01:12] I am watching my 3yo son, and i'm a freenode staffer so I occassionally get caught up chasing spambots and doing user service and stuff [01:12] i feel rude now [01:12] oo [01:12] ok [01:12] that's okay, I just multitask more than most people [01:12] i do a lot too [01:12] lol [01:12] i understand [01:15] i am head of my county as alternative student lifestyle and a political advocate for the same. i practice a bit of street and loop hole law and have 16 credits at my college. i also tutor and am a student aid/teacher in 3 classes [01:15] it is hell [01:15] where are you starting from? totally new to linux? linux user? linux admin experience? if you do have experience, what distro(s) are you most familiar with? [01:15] i love it [01:15] lol [01:15] i have SEEN Knoppix [01:15] lol [01:15] and i have studied what different things do [01:16] hehe okay :) [01:16] ok [01:18] so what do you go to tell me [01:18] oo [01:18] in case you are wondering i am using Mac OS X [01:18] shoot [01:18] i will brb [01:18] need to run to the store [01:19] i will BRB [01:22] if I were you, I'd start by putting edubuntu or ubuntu on the computer you use the most, and getting used to using/admin'ing that box... then start running a server here and one there just for practice playing with them [01:23] I tend to learn best by experimentation... if you're the (much more patient) type who reads docs *before* they break something... you might want to start differently ;) === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] hi jinty [01:37] heya HedgeMage [01:37] what's up? [01:39] not much... mommytasking ( a step or three above multitasking ) as usual ;) === eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1235.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:44] hello again [01:46] eDRUcated: oh, heah. I was just reading the backlog [01:46] oo [01:46] ok [01:47] I'm a PhD chemistry student and was homeschooled for a while [01:47] and I'm typing from OSX at the moment ;-) [01:47] me too [01:48] i am looking into using it as a teaching tool [01:49] eDRUcated: what age range? [01:49] grades 7 - 12 [01:50] i am 19 myself but i almost have my associates and am moving right to my Bachelor's [01:50] why do you ask [01:52] just interested, it seem like Edubuntu is a little more suited for younger kids [01:53] I haven't really used it much so far. My ubuntu box is down at the moment so I'm using chroots for all my dev work [01:53] i see [01:53] i am very new to all this [01:53] but I think Edubuntu (and Ubuntu in general) have lots of potential in educational/academic settings [01:53] yes [01:54] i totally agree [01:54] so how old are you [01:54] lets see, I'm 24 now, almost done with my PhD [01:54] and what type of Apple Computer do you have [01:54] wow [01:54] i am impresseed [01:54] intel Imac [01:54] impressed** [01:54] i see [01:54] nice [01:55] i am still on my iBook G4 [01:55] well, my advisor bought it for me so it isn't exactly mine [01:55] but I use it like 12 hrs a day [01:55] i am getting a MacBook Pro in 4 weeks [01:55] lol [01:55] i see [01:55] where are you if you dont mind me asking [01:55] and what is your PhD in [01:56] Reno, NV and Physical Chemistry [01:56] wow [01:56] i am majoring in Biology [01:57] so we are both Science Majors [01:57] nice [01:57] yeah [01:57] what kinda of computer you got at home [01:58] I've got Windows and Ubuntu desktops (1.8GHz AMD) that I'm going to merge this week and a Windows laptop that I do a lot of work from [01:59] i am just on my 14 inch Apple iBook G4 1.4 GHz [01:59] i got 1 GB of RAM [01:59] btw, somewhat off-topic but I lead a team of devs (and interested people) that look after science apps in the Universe repo [01:59] ok, what are you proposing [01:59] so if you are ever interested in sciece related apps you can hang out over in #ubuntu-motu ;-) [01:59] ok [02:00] i will remember that [02:00] eDRUcated: if you find bugs and stuff or what to get a favorit science app in the repos, there are people who work on those things ;-) [02:00] *want [02:01] how do you do the private thing on here [02:01] lol [02:01] use /query I think [02:01] like so i can talk to you and just you [02:03] /query nickname or /msg nickname [02:03] ok === eDRUcated is now known as eDRUcated_ === eDRUcated_ is now known as eDRUcated === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1175.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === ogra_ibook is now known as ogra === HedgeMage peeks back in === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === magnon [n=co@c-a368e353.05-27-6f736c2.cust.bredband.no] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1233.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] ?msg NickServ IDENTIFY 5534 [05:09] eDRUcated: you had better change that password [05:09] lol [05:09] i know [05:09] :) [05:09] how do i do that [05:09] lol [05:10] help [05:10] someone [05:10] anyone [05:10] eDRUcated: not sure, i think it will be '/msg nickserv register ' (once you have already identified) [05:11] ok [05:12] thanks [05:12] eDRUcated: that worked? [05:12] no [05:13] ahhhh [05:13] it is not working [05:13] oh well [05:13] it is fine i guess [05:13] i will have someone else help me out later [05:13] lol [05:13] eDRUcated: you're not identified, do that first [05:14] got it ... [05:14] /msg nickserv set password [05:15] (once you've identified) [05:17] ok [05:17] thanks [05:18] yw :) [05:18] thank you [05:18] hehehe [05:26] have you heard of schooltool? [05:26] eDRUcated: ^^^^ [05:26] yes [05:26] it is built in [05:26] that is what i am using to schedule and all that good stuff [05:27] great :) [05:27] all classwork will be done on the edubuntu system [05:27] attendance will be tracked through IRC chat rooms [05:28] when not in the building [05:28] it is a great plan [05:28] just needs to be built [05:28] i have all the ideas in my head [05:28] i just need to learn the system [05:31] it sounds great === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [05:38] so do you think you could offer any sort of help [05:43] eDRUcated: if you have problems ask here and if i'm about and can help i will :) [05:44] so will I :) [05:45] when not 'mommytasking' :P [05:45] yep :) [05:46] and sometimes while mommytasking :) === bimberi does some of that too [05:55] hehe [05:55] a fellow mommy geek? cool. :D === Yagisan waves hello [05:59] hi Yagisan [06:00] G'day HedgeMage. How are you today ? [06:04] Yagisan: pretty good... about to put TT (my son) to bed. I'll be right back [06:05] HedgeMage: no worries. My son is busy trying to hit the keyboard [06:09] lol [06:09] how old? [06:10] he's 5 months [06:10] awww [06:11] he, like his big sister, has a strong interest in the pc [06:11] :) === HedgeMage looks for a place to insert a random plug for ##parenting [06:11] ;) [06:11] TT loves it too [06:12] my wife thinks I'll turn them into geeks. [06:12] you say that as if it's a bad thing :P [06:20] according to mum it is. I do have to consider the fact that I don't have a basement for them to live in too. [06:21] rofl [06:21] hey, I was a geek and I moved out at 17 [06:22] I did move back for a few months, but that was extreme circumstances (hubby was deployed and I'd just gotten TT back after a kidnapping) [06:22] oh shit === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan left home @ 16. but that wasn't really by choice === HedgeMage nods [06:24] He's in one piece, he probably won't even remember it, and I got him back... that's what's important :) [06:25] happen while shopping ? [06:25] No, a friend of the family was babysitting him and she cracked. [06:26] She and her husband couldn't have kids, and she found out the day or so before that they lost the little girl they were adopting... he was deployed, she freaked out and went loopy [06:26] I suppose my not having any baby sitters around for 6000km is a blessing then. [06:27] I'm glad your son is safe [06:27] thanks [06:27] yeah, that is really horrible === bimberi has come back in the middle of something - doesn't read well but glad to see things are ok === Yagisan would have had an excessively violent reaction to that [06:33] HedgeMage: you work for freenode ? [06:34] Yagisan: I wanted to beat her to a bloody pulp... but she was genuinely nuts, not malicious... she didn't hurt him just decided he was her kid... really cracked... I hope she got help [06:34] mostly I didn't because he was watching me [06:35] Yagisan: I'm a volunteer network staffer :) [06:39] I'm sad to say, both my children have watched me beat the shit out of someone twice my size that wanted to harm them [06:39] HedgeMage: Is their a procedure to re-assign control of a channel, when the person that set it up hasn't been seen in over a year ? [06:40] HedgeMage: I ask, because for a project I'm involved in, we don't have anyone the can devoice rude uses, and kick the ones that are promoting warez [06:40] s/uses/users [06:41] Yagisan: is it a #primary channel or an ##about channel? [06:41] HedgeMage: the channel is #doomsday [06:42] it's a #primary channel so you need to fill out a GCF and explain the situation in the notes section, I'll grab you a link to the form [06:44] HedgeMage: thank you. [06:44] np [06:44] Yagisan: http://freenode.net/group_contact_form.shtml === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away [06:45] make sure to add in there some way for us to confirm you're actually involved with the project (part of the standard procedure) [06:45] Yagisan: GCF confirms are very slow right now as we have a HUGE backlog, but if you remind me over the weekend, I will try to bump you up the list :) [06:48] HedgeMage: thanks. It's easy to confirm of part of the project :) I'm the Ubuntu maintainer, I post on the developers blog, and soon, I'll have svn access, once project lead gets his adsl reconnected. [06:50] Yagisan: cool :) [06:52] HedgeMage: It's deng, a doom port. :) I ah, taught my 2 year old daughter to play it [06:52] she can do map 1 of doom2 [06:52] mum wasn't happy :() [06:55] I bet. [06:55] I'd kick hubby's but if he let TT do doom [06:56] oddly enough, it's less violent then what's on tv. [06:57] but she would rather play with her brother, rather then dad [06:57] we don't let him watch mainstream TV either :P [06:58] I watch all the childrens shows before I let my kids watch them [06:58] and the vast majority of them [06:58] seem to promote stupidity [06:58] yep, but not all [06:58] "lets stick our feet into the bucket, not pick it up or walk around it" [06:59] there is only a few shows I let them watch now [06:59] "Play School" is the main one [06:59] actually, I feel old watching that [06:59] it's been on air longer then I've been on the planet [07:03] HedgeMage: what is your interest in edubuntu ? === scundi [n=jundir@137.111.165.11] has joined #edubuntu [07:14] Yagisan: we use a TiVo to filter TV for our boys. It just records shows they (and we) like which are on at any time and they can just browse through its interface and pick what they want [07:15] (this is in .au by the way :) ) [07:18] Yagisan: Well, I have been passionate about FOSS in education for a long time. My first sysadmin gig was for my local school district, and my mom is a teacher... I was part of another edu project a while back but left due to politics :/ [07:19] bbiab phone [07:26] bimberi: my reception is crap. but I used my pc + tvtuner in my last place to do a similar thing [07:27] Yagisan: ah - yes you mentioned something about 6000km earlier :) [07:27] HedgeMage: I have an interest in the ltsp component (it sparks my inner geek), and I'd like my kids to be computer literate when they grow up, so I think this can help [07:27] bimberi: yeah. I'm in .au, and grandma + grandpa are in .jp [07:28] back [07:28] :) [07:28] Yagisan: my son loves edubuntu [07:31] HedgeMage: i checked the logs for the bit i missed. Just to clarify that i'm a (yet another?) daddy geek. Sorry to disappoint :) [07:31] right. GCF sent. HedgeMage does it give a confirmation ? [07:32] my eldest loves edubuntu too - and calls himself an edubunut! [07:32] bimberi: there seem to be equal mums and dads in here [07:32] mine just loves dads pc. [07:33] bimberi: daddy geeks are very cool too :) [07:33] Yagisan: yes, it's good to see :) [07:33] Yagisan: nope... we call to confirm people manually, that is why it is so slow [07:33] of course, who would have thought that daddy geeks would actually reproduce. === Yagisan ducks for cover [07:34] hehe [07:36] lol === HedgeMage loves geek men === HedgeMage married one, as a matter of fact [07:39] Hey, folks, I just had a couple of people ask me if Edubuntu CDs will be available via shipit or something similar when Dapper comes out [07:42] I don't think so (but am not sure). I recall some discussion about it but I don't think it was considered feasible - the leading lights (highvoltage, ogra, JaneW ...) will know better. === HedgeMage nods [07:47] thanks bimberi [07:47] HedgeMage: yw :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [08:08] hi highvoltage === HedgeMage contemplates sleep [08:13] hi HedgeMage [08:13] been awake since last we spoke? [08:14] yep [08:14] and since quite a bit before that [08:15] Once I get my cookbook chapters done I think I'm going to take a look at that drupal problem and see if I can come up with a module to add the translation functionality [08:15] it shouldn't be too hard. === Yagisan needs to head off now === Yagisan is in deep shit [08:15] bye all === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [08:35] hi juliux [08:35] hi HedgeMage === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.230.148] has joined #edubuntu [08:45] ogra: does squeak use python? === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] ogra: you around? [09:24] bbl === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:03] ogra: you around [11:03] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html [11:03] first draft === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === B4zzA [n=chevron_@l2-202-89-168-42.arach.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=ubuntu@161.53.76.150] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] JaneW, spacey, ogra: hi hi [11:33] hi pygi [11:33] hi pygi [11:33] hi [11:34] hi pygi [11:36] hi lucasvo, and cbx33 [11:36] JaneW: see, we have wrote something :) [11:37] more then it's on wiki tho, considering I am unable to upload my writings right now:-/ [11:37] entire part I is written [11:38] pygi: YAY [11:38] \o? [11:38] oops [11:38] \o/ [11:38] heheh [11:38] my arm broke [11:38] \o? - i can't hear you :p [11:38] JaneW: huh, what happened? :/ [11:39] pygi: no, joking, about the messed up cheering person [11:39] aha, oki :) [11:39] I finished the ltsp-build-client man page [11:39] well the first draft [11:39] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/test.html :D [11:40] JaneW: what are you upto right now? working something again? :) === pygi is at linux conference [11:40] oooooh nice on pygi === JaneW is setting up our Google SoC stuff [11:41] JaneW: ah, what are the projects this time? [11:41]