[12:10] <kmon> good night everyone
[12:39] <kwwii> night all
[01:05] <Riddell> mornfall: hmm, adept seems to have broken
[01:05] <Riddell> mornfall: says it can't find the Apt database
[01:05] <Riddell> I wonder if that's to do with me playing with debtags
[01:17] <Tm_T> :p
[07:56] <mornfall> Riddell: debtags?
[07:56] <mornfall> i haven't changed anything lately, so, umm
[07:56] <mornfall> someone else has
[08:04] <mornfall> Hobbsee: are you? :P
[08:04] <Hobbsee> hehe...i didnt do it!  whatever it is, i didnt do it!
[08:04] <Hobbsee> and that depends on what you define innocent as :P
[08:06] <mornfall> probably :)
[08:07] <mornfall> Hobbsee: but i guess since you use the unholy device called computer you can't be really innocent right? :)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe.  hmmm....
[08:08] <Hobbsee> how's a computer contribute to whether one is innocent or not?
[08:09] <mornfall> i'm almost sure there's at least one religion somewhere that'd suppose it a sacrilege
[08:10] <Hobbsee> oh, fair enough
[08:42] <mornfall> they!
[08:42] <mornfall> umm
[08:42] <mornfall> wrong channel :] 
[08:42] <seaLne> is localised the proper term to use to describe making something available in multiple languages?
[11:18] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Hi. Is it known that the link to the 'Server Guide' links to the 'Kubuntu Desktop Guide'?
[11:18] <KabelKasper> Riddell: It should point to: help:/kubuntu/serverguide/index.html
[11:20] <KabelKasper> ...in the startpage of konqueror 
[11:37] <kwwii> howdy
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[11:38] <Tm_T> humm, there is dapper+1 something already?
[11:50] <Tm_T> heh, with composite active, I have nice flicks and cutouts in desktop
[11:54] <Tm_kde4> hehe, this baby still works :p
[12:02] <marseillai_> Tm_kde4: do you have plasma or only kdebase with kicker and other "old" things from kde3 ?
[12:13] <Tm_kde4> only konsole from kde4
[12:13] <Tm_kde4> no way I'm running whole desktop =)
[12:14] <Tm_kde4> last time something crashed background before I got any terminals running, I think it was dcopserver, and whoops I couldn't do nothing
[12:14] <Tm_kde4> I'm trying to get kopete online too, but last time http(s) kio was borked
[12:24] <Riddell> freeflying: which one?
[12:24] <freeflying> Riddell: today's
[12:24] <Riddell> 20060420?
[12:24] <freeflying> ya
[12:25] <Riddell> any problems?
[12:25] <freeflying> bug 40305
[12:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40305 in debian-installer "Install dapper using 2006-04-10's dapper-install-powerpc cd, d-i can not generate sources.list corrctly." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40305
[12:25] <freeflying> besides this , everything is well
[12:25] <Riddell> cool, thanks
[12:34] <kwwii> Riddell: how close to the original espresso icon do we need to be? I mean, can I change the forms or should I simply add a highlight?
[12:35] <Riddell> kwwii: change whatever you like
[12:35] <kwwii> Riddell: that is exactly what I wanted to hear :-)
[12:40] <Hobbsee_away> or something similar
[12:40] <kwwii> my new favorite color is orange
[12:40] <kwwii> but I won't go there
[12:40] <Hobbsee_away> hehe!
[12:41] <Hobbsee_away> kubuntu would look quite nice, in the right shade of orange...
[01:22] <viviersf> sigh
[01:29] <freeflying> Riddell: seems ktorret need recompile against new kdelibs 
[01:33] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[02:02] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[02:02] <viviersf> lo Riddell 
[02:02] <viviersf> yo do python ?
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: why?
[02:02] <Riddell> viviersf: yes, I do some python
[02:03] <viviersf> ah 
[02:03] <viviersf> wil you help me with a small problem quick ?
[02:03] <Riddell> I can try
[02:03] <viviersf> kk
[02:03] <viviersf> well im learning this
[02:03] <viviersf> and oop
[02:03] <viviersf> so :/
[02:03] <viviersf> class
[02:03] <viviersf> with a constructor and then another function in this class
[02:04] <freeflying> Riddell: it crashes often http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12593
[02:04] <viviersf> for some reason i cant send arguments from this constructor to the other function
[02:05] <Riddell> freeflying: that back trace looks like a problem in the bitorrent class, not KDE
[02:05] <Riddell> viviersf: can you put it in kubuntu.pastebin.com?
[02:05] <viviersf> kk
[02:07] <viviersf> Riddell, http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/671127
[02:08] <viviersf> basicly on line 16
[02:08] <viviersf> even if i pass the var : user
[02:08] <viviersf> to the function
[02:08] <viviersf> i cant print the var in it
[02:09] <Riddell> def Le_User_Changed (self) :  that takes no arguments other than the class reference
[02:09] <Riddell> you need to change it to take (self, mystring)
[02:09] <viviersf> yes i did
[02:10] <Riddell> print user  if that's printing the class variable "user" it needs to be referenced as "self.user"
[02:10] <Riddell> you need to be careful where you put these "self"s in python, classes need them a lot
[02:31] <Lure> kwwii: window buttons look nice - you rock!
[02:35] <kwwii> Lure: thanks! (but couldn't the mouse over "close" button be a bit lighter?)
[02:51] <viviersf> Riddell, found the problem :(
[02:51] <viviersf> adi helped me
[02:51] <Riddell> viviersf: what was up?
[02:52] <viviersf> say i make a var in the method called : user
[02:52] <viviersf> i must declare it : self.user = 'test' and not user='test'
[02:52] <viviersf> else when the contstructor ends
[02:53] <viviersf> python goes and thinks it was local var to the method
[02:53] <viviersf> and forgets
[02:53] <Lure> kwwii: what do you mean with lighter? more bright/saturated? Yes, possibly...
[02:53] <Riddell> eyah, those self's are confusing
[02:53] <viviersf> by doing self. you force it to the class
[02:57] <jjesse> morning, i tried to update my system this morning and i am getting an error unpacking replacement network-manager-kde
[02:57] <jjesse> anyone else having a problem?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah
[02:58] <Hobbsee> install knetworkmanager, and it works fine
[02:58] <Hobbsee> IIRC
[02:58] <jjesse> did the package name change?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> there was a knetworkmanager metapackage created, which depends on network-manager-kde, or maybe the other way around
[03:00] <allee> jjesse: yes
[03:01] <allee> jjesse: just run upgrade a second time and it fixes automaticly
[03:01] <jjesse> i like knetworkmanager it works well
[03:02] <allee> jjesse: something in the dependencies needs to be fixed so knetworkmanager is configured before network-manager-kde
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ich auch
[03:02] <allee> jjesse: I suspect a versioned dependency = srcversin will do
[03:02] <kwwii> Lure: yes, a bit lighter and a bit more saturation
[03:03] <Lure> kwwii: yes, it would be better, but even now is much better than original crystal...
[03:03] <allee> Hobbsee: hey, you speak deutsch :)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> allee: bits and pieces yes
[03:04] <kwwii> Lure: thanks :-)
[03:04] <allee> Hobbsee: as you can read I too speak only bits and peaces of englisch
[03:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:04] <Hobbsee> the response came faster in german than in english - now that's sad
[03:05] <kwwii> http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/195/espressoken3ec.png
[03:05] <allee> heh
[03:08] <kwwii> crystal enough for everyone?
[03:08] <Riddell> kwwii: lovely
[03:10] <Lure> kwwii: cool
[03:11] <Hobbsee> ooh nice!
[03:17] <kwwii> hehe
[03:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: gotta love those users...
[03:19] <kwwii> oh, I used to do technical support a long long time ago
[03:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:22] <Hobbsee> kwwii: this was along the lines of:  new user wants to use dapper, has no idea about linux, comes in and whines, refuses to go back to the stable release, says it should all just work, still refuses to install the stable release, causes massive mayhem with whining for help, giving not enough info for anyone to help, etc....gotta love it!
[03:36] <jjesse> dealing with uses is better then dealing with auditors
[03:38] <jjesse> when is the beta release comming out? tonight? tomorrow?
[03:38] <Riddell> tonight
[03:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:39] <jjesse> hmm ok i'll try and finish the wiki page but gotta get stuff done for the auditors (federal bank examiners :( )
[03:45] <Lure> Riddell: are CDs already golden or are they still to change? I plan to try LiveCD with Espresso...
[03:46] <Riddell> they're golden
[03:46] <Riddell> espresso is acting weird though
[03:46] <Riddell> it crashes randomly when it tries to show a dialogue :(
[03:47] <Riddell> only sometimes though
[03:54] <freeflying> jjesse: need screenshot?
[03:59] <jjesse> freeflying: would love help :)
[04:00] <freeflying> jjesse: with chinese UI heh
[04:01] <Riddell> freeflying: some skim screenshots would be great
[04:02] <freeflying> Riddell: ok, do it now , upload to where
[04:04] <Riddell> freeflying: anywhere, I can copy them over to kubuntu.org
[04:05] <Riddell> jjesse (and kwwii): I updated the espresso screenshots http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/espresso/screenshots/
[04:07] <freeflying> Riddell: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/scrothots/skim/
[04:07] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, but didn't they add a line above the buttons as well?
[04:07] <Riddell> kwwii: "they"?
[04:07] <Riddell> colin added one for the gtk frontend
[04:07] <kwwii> exactly
[04:08] <kwwii> that was what I was thinking of
[04:08] <Riddell> I can do that for KDE too if that's the done thing
[04:09] <kwwii> we should look at how that works, spacially with that stuff and then think about it
[04:09] <kwwii> the first screen (install) has a different color palette
[04:10] <Riddell> "espresso-install.png"?  that's the last screen
[04:11] <Riddell> that's an older screenshot, from before you gave me the new colour scheme
[04:11] <kwwii> I thought so, but had to point it out :-)
[04:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not I, what's the reference?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: monty python and the holy grail...
[04:14] <Hobbsee> the witch turning the guy into a newt, then him saying "i got better"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> it's in with all the "she's a witch!  burn her!" stuff :D
[04:15] <Hobbsee> shame on you, not knowing your monty python!
[04:16] <Riddell> I'd quite forgotten that, I'll need to watch Holy Grail again at some point
[04:17] <Riddell> my mum was an extra in that film and all
[04:17] <Hobbsee> oh really?  cool!
[04:17] <Hobbsee> guess that's a task for people at the next conference - instead of walking around outside at night
[04:30] <Riddell> Lure: any luck?
[04:39] <Lure> Riddell: just came home, will start download now
[04:40] <Lure> so http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060420/ is the right one?
[04:40] <freeflying> Lure: no
[04:41] <Lure> freeflying: so which one should I pick then?
[04:41] <freeflying> Lure: wait :)
[04:43] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[04:43] <Riddell> that is the beta CD, it's being synced to mirrors as we type
[04:44] <Lure> Riddell: ok, I plan to put it on desktop first (as display works there), then try laptop if this looks OK
[04:44] <Lure> hope my disk will be preserved (though I have backup) ;-)
[04:45] <freeflying> Lure: like me , erase the whole disk :)
[04:45] <Lure> freeflying: can I not manually parition with espresso?
[04:46] <freeflying> Lure: I haven't tried , actrually espresso can hardly use now 
[04:48] <Riddell> Lure: take a backup!
[04:48] <Riddell> don't use espresso without a backup
[04:48] <Lure> Riddell: will do!
[04:52] <freeflying> Riddell: koffice-1.5 broken ?
[05:07] <Riddell> kwwii: how large is that espresso icon?
[05:07] <Riddell> is it SVG?
[05:09] <kwwii> yepp
[05:09] <kwwii> I'll send it to you
[05:10] <Riddell> kwwii: I'm thinking we need an image for the beta release on kubuntu.org
[05:10] <Riddell> that may be suitable
[05:10] <kwwii> but I think I need to change the logo on the box since it does not represent the correct branding
[05:10] <kwwii> Riddell: just tell me how big and where it will go and I can take care of it
[05:11] <Riddell> it'll go on kubuntu.org front page similar to the behindubuntu picture which is currently on the top story
[05:11] <Riddell> probably around the same size as that
[05:15] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: "Improved support for Oriental languages through Skim"  good for release announcement?
[05:16] <freeflying-ibook> Riddell: okey
[05:17] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll fix it up a bit and send you a png, and the svg, ok?
[05:18] <Riddell> kwwii: great
[05:34] <Riddell> proofreaders: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/671490
[05:34] <Riddell> jjesse, jpatrick et al ^^
[05:35] <klugez> line 18: is -> if
[05:37] <klugez> line 61: Languge -> Language, unnecessary '*' on line 94
[05:37] <klugez> is it really Add/Remove Programmes and not Add/Remove Programs (british vs. american?)
[05:38] <Lure> Riddell: should we have anouncement in british english or in more international english version? ;-)
[05:39] <Riddell> Lure: we should have it in international english, not that silly American english variant
[05:39] <Riddell> klugez: great, thanks
[05:39] <kwwii> haha
[05:39] <Lure> Riddell: so is it Programs or Programmes?
[05:40] <Riddell> looks like it's Programs.  I'll have to fix that at some point :)
[05:42] <Lure> Riddell: should we mention Koffice (similar to knetwrokmanager)? Or you will wait until 1.5 hits official repo?
[05:42] <Riddell> wait for 1.5
[05:42] <Riddell> now that beta is out I can hassle Matt about that again
[06:07] <Riddell> hello hiasll 
[06:13] <Riddell> klugez: can you spot any more mistakes?  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/dapper-beta.php
[06:15] <klugez> Riddell: no, but i'm not a native speaker, so i woudn't rely on me :)
[06:15] <Lure> Riddell: new terminology Desktop/live and text/install is a bit confusing...
[06:16] <Lure> maybe we should at least talk about Desktop (live) CD for now, unitl people get used to it...
[06:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: any chance to get those beta cds for share? :)
[06:17] <Riddell> Tm_T: for share?
[06:17] <Tm_T> hum, rephrasing...
[06:18] <kwwii> Riddell: other than the funny british-isms I cannot find a mistake
[06:18] <Tm_T> cds to spread in schools and LUGs (and everywhere)
[06:18] <kwwii> :-)
[06:19] <kwwii> although I would not start a sentence with a conjunction like "And in our universe archive"
[06:19] <Tm_T> ...somehow it feels hard to build sentences today
[06:20] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, the final version will have CDs though
[06:20] <Tm_T> ah
[06:21] <Tm_T> "The final version of Kubuntu 6.06 LTS is expected to be released in June. At that time, we will mail pressed Desktop CDs free of charge."
[06:21] <Tm_T> ...no mention where you get those Desktop CDs
[06:21] <Tm_T> but anyway :)
[06:21] <Tm_T> maybe not needed to tell yet
[06:24] <jpatrick> Riddell: sorry, I went out for a while
[06:25] <jpatrick> what does LTS stand for?
[06:25] <Tm_T> Long Term Support
[06:25] <jpatrick> ok
[06:25] <Tm_T> I think its mentioned in that page
[06:27] <jpatrick> Tm_T: yep
[06:28] <jpatrick> missing a few full stops
[06:36] <Drakeson> dejavu font package needs some love. currently we have 2.3 but 2.5 was released upstream four days ago. It adds some more glyphs and is important viewing e.g. wikipedia, ...
[06:38] <Lure> Riddell: booting live - btw, usplash is still old kubuntu image...
[06:38] <Lure> (I mean gfxboot not usplash)
[06:38] <Riddell> gfxboot didn't get changed, usplash should be new image
[06:38] <Riddell> yes
[06:38] <Drakeson> someone needs to download the latest font release from http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Download
[06:38] <Riddell> Drakeson: doko is the dude to poke for that
[06:40] <Drakeson> it seems like a low-hanging fruit ;)
[06:40] <Lure> I am missing kwwii icon for installer ;-)
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: Adventurous users can find..... ?
[06:41] <Riddell> Lure: that was done too late
[06:41] <Lure> jpatrick: workding from mdz
[06:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: I had to put that on, universe disclaimer
[06:41] <Lure> Riddell: I know....
[06:41] <jpatrick> ok
[06:43] <jpatrick> how about: the KDE network....
[06:47] <Riddell> jpatrick: how about it?
[06:47] <jpatrick> there's no article..
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: how do I select timezone in espresso? No world map and only city can be changed (not region)
[06:48] <Riddell> select the city
[06:48] <Lure> ok, it is there in city list...
[06:49] <Lure> a bit hard to find in huge list...
[06:49] <Riddell> yes, I hope I get time to add the map
[06:49] <Riddell> any help appreciated :)
[06:50] <Lure> Riddell: is there a to do list so that I do not complain about things that are not there yet?
[06:51] <Lure> or should I just log my observations and send you in one mail?
[06:53] <Riddell> Lure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuExpress/ToDo
[06:53] <Riddell> e-mailing a list of observations to kubuntu-devel would be useful, but I do have my own list to keep me more than busy
[06:53] <Riddell> and that's if it doesn't crash for you after the "identification" page
[06:53] <Lure> I know... ;-)
[06:55] <Riddell> who's using koffice 1.5?
[06:57] <superstoned> I am
[06:57] <superstoned> already wrote 10.000 words
[06:57] <superstoned> at least
[06:57] <superstoned> works great
[06:57] <jjesse_lunch> is there a better way to track a to do list that we could all contribute to?
[06:57] <superstoned> Riddel: love 1.5 :D
[06:58] <superstoned> jjesse_lunch: could i send screenshots using mail?
[06:58] <Riddell> jjesse_lunch: for what?
[06:58] <jjesse_lunch> superstoned: sure jjesse@iserv.net
[06:58] <jjesse_lunch> Riddell: so we aren't always duplicating things by sending the same "problems"
[06:58] <superstoned> ok will do that
[06:59] <Riddell> jjesse: but todo list for what?
[07:00] <jjesse> Riddell: 12:50]  <Lure> Riddell: is there a to do list so that I do not complain about things that are not there yet?
[07:00] <Lure> [18:53]  <Riddell> Lure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuExpress/ToDo
[07:00] <jjesse> oh sillly me just got back from lunch sorry :(
[07:01] <Riddell> if someone else wants to help with espresso I'm very happy to share that todo list :)
[07:01] <Lure> Riddell: you do not have fork() function implemented? ;-)
[07:02] <uniq> who is the group contact that can set ubuntu/member cloaked hostnames? 
[07:03] <jpatrick> uniq: Seveas
[07:03] <uniq> ok, thanks. :)
[07:05] <Lure> Riddell: died after id page :-( Just shortly showed partition dialog...
[07:05] <Riddell> warg
[07:05] <Riddell> that thing is so random
[07:06] <Riddell> and I've fixed it.  twice.
[07:06] <Lure> probably debends on partitions...
[07:06] <Riddell> no, it's a pykde problem
[07:09] <kwwii> Riddell: just sent another version of the pic for the announcement
[07:13] <Riddell> kwwii: if you say so :)
[07:31] <Riddell> _Sime: hmm, guidance 0.6.5 doesn't fix the problem of not being able to click Apply
[07:33] <_Sime> Riddell: yes, I realise that (now).
[07:33] <_Sime> Riddell: the problem is that kcontrol, kcmshell and systemsettings don't listen to the buttons you set with the setButtons() method in the KCModule class.
[07:34] <_Sime> Riddell: having a look at systemsettings is on my TODO list.
[07:34] <Riddell> ok, thanks
[07:42] <jjesse> wow anyone else notice the wiki is slow?
[07:51] <Parkotron> From the 6.06 Beta release notes: "The system PATH is now set in exactly one place, /etc/environment, for convenient administration"
[07:52] <Parkotron> Does this mean that customised PATHs for each user are no longer possible?
[07:53] <Riddell> sure it's possible
[07:53] <Riddell> use .bashrc
[07:54] <Lure> Riddell: how can I debug espresso - any debug/tracing possible?
[07:54] <Riddell> Lure: tail -f /var/log/installer/espresso
[07:55] <jpatrick> porn guy on #kubuntu please ban (I can't)
[07:55] <Riddell> but the crash in the dialogues is a C++ crash so it won't show up
[07:55] <jpatrick> oh, naloith's on it
[07:56] <Lure> Riddell: so pykde is C++ code in python?
[07:56] <Lure> I still see partman processes running
[07:57] <Lure> and bunch of broken pipe errors in log file...
[07:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: want ops on #kubuntu?
[07:57] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[07:57] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok
[07:57] <Riddell> Lure: ps -ef  and sudo kill them all until they are dead
[07:58] <Riddell> jpatrick: doesn't sound very enthusiastic :)
[07:58] <jpatrick> Riddell: please? :)
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: they start faster then I can kill ;-) Will reboot ;-)
[07:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: done
[07:59] <Riddell> Lure: no, you just need to kill the parted_server one
[07:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: 'Notice'd it
[07:59] <jpatrick> thanks
[07:59] <Lure> kill 7441
[07:59] <Lure> wrong keyboard ;-)
[08:00] <jpatrick> hey OdyX
[08:00] <OdyX> hey jpatrick!
[08:00] <jpatrick> Riddell: by the way, claydoh on kubuntu-members approval list is a Kubuntu Forums moderator
[08:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: interesting I was wondering.  we need to sort out a policy for adding people to kubuntu-memebers, we can do that at the meeting next week
[08:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: technically all Ubuntu Forums ones == Members
[08:02] <Riddell> ones?
[08:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: you mean "moderator" = "member" ????
[08:03] <jpatrick> moderators
[08:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: there is a lot of moderators on ubuntu-fr for example... not all are member...
[08:03] <jpatrick> OdyX: ubuntuforums.org one
[08:03] <OdyX> jpatrick: and would they "merit" less ? because only french-speaking ???
[08:04] <jpatrick> OdyX: i dunno, there was a thread on it somewhere
[08:05] <OdyX> jpatrick: I think this is no good argument.. because a moderator has not the same habilities than a dev for ex...
[08:06] <jpatrick> you go and tell them..
[08:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: find me the source first...
[08:06] <OdyX> jpatrick: a modo needs a lot of time on forums... almost no devs are modos...
[08:07] <jpatrick> OdyX: which is the job of the admins to pick out the highest posters
[08:07] <OdyX> well... Before arguing... find me the URL where it is said "modo = member".
[08:09] <jpatrick> OdyX: looking
[08:21] <jpatrick> OdyX: can't find it
[08:22] <OdyX> jpatrick: so...
[08:22] <jpatrick> go and ask one of the CC guys
[08:23] <Tonio__> hey
[08:23] <OdyX> jpatrick: no worry... I'm no modo nor member, so no voice on that... just find that the equation "modo => member" should not exist, it's a non-sense.
[08:23] <OdyX> hey Tonio__
[08:23] <robotgeek> there are 3 super moderators on ubuntuforums.org , who are ubuntu members 
[08:24] <robotgeek> ubuntugeek, cassetra and jdong (iirc)
[08:24] <OdyX> robotgeek: "super-moderator"  means "mega-work for Ubuntu community", huh ?
[08:24] <OdyX> moderator means "work for Ubuntu Community"
[08:24] <robotgeek> howver, there are several other moderators from ubuntuforums.org who are ubuntu members
[08:25] <robotgeek> OdyX: i think they started ubuntuforums.org or something like that
[08:25] <robotgeek> anyways, i am not sure if further discussion on this is relevant here
[08:25] <OdyX> robotgeek: what about moderators on other local teams ?
[08:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: ping ?
[08:26] <OdyX> robotgeek: I'm sure it is NOT relevant.. :D
[08:26] <robotgeek> OdyX: not sure
[08:26] <kwwii> Tonio_: pong
[08:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: I just saw the new icons on the kde window theme :)
[08:26] <Tonio_> kwwii: may I give a comment ?
[08:26] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, please do!
[08:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: they are very nice, but the effect when focus is on the button is not very visible
[08:27] <OdyX> robotgeek: well.. Basically, I think if the equation "modo = member" IS valid, it should NOT be limited to UbuntuForums, but automatically extended to all local sites.
[08:27] <Tonio_> except for the closing button
[08:27] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, and the closing button should be a bit more brilliant, I thin
[08:27] <Tonio_> I can see that the color changes a bit, but that's not very visible
[08:27] <kwwii> k
[08:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: maybe :)
[08:27] <Tonio_> kwwii: what about the green ?
[08:27] <Tonio_> how is it supposed to appear ?
[08:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: I totally agree with you
[08:28] <robotgeek> OdyX: but moderator = member  is not valide
[08:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: well, it is only the sticky and such that is green
[08:28] <Tonio_> wouldn't the "green on focus" be better ?
[08:28] <kwwii> Tonio_: I could test making the mouseover effect green too
[08:28] <kwwii> perhaps
[08:28] <Tonio_> kwwii: I think that could be more visible and nice :)
[08:28] <OdyX> robotgeek: OK... That's what I wanted to hear :D
[08:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: I'm going to work on it again in a few days, finishing things up
[08:29] <kwwii> ok...gotta run, my wife is calling me
[08:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: seya ;)
[08:35] <Lure> Riddell: any way I can help nailing down this espresso crash?
[08:38] <jpatrick> coding
[08:40] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke* (right chan this time)
[08:41] <jpatrick> lol
[08:42] <mornfall> Riddell: *poke*^2
[08:43] <mornfall> Riddell: first poke = how is the scim/skim/adept thing right now?
[08:43] <mornfall> Riddell: second poke = why is it that apps forked from kdesu-running app can't connect to X server, apparently?
[09:03] <Riddell> mornfall: hi
[09:03] <Riddell> 1) I've not changed anything so I imagine it's much the same
[09:04] <Riddell> 2) no idea
[09:09] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, is there scim/skim upload planned that fixes this?
[09:10] <mornfall> Riddell: (i believe there's upstream fix somewhere)
[09:15] <Riddell> if there is an upstream fix we can try and include that
[09:15] <Riddell> I'll ask freeflying when he next shows up
[09:28] <Lure> Riddell: new apt-get upgrade returns:
[09:28] <Lure> dpkg: error processing kcontrol (--configure):
[09:28] <Lure>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[09:29] <Lure> Riddell: this prevents kcontrol and konqueror from upgrading
[09:55] <Riddell> Lure: upgrading from what?
[09:56] <Lure> just regular daily upgrade on my notebook
[09:56] <jdong> jpatrick, OdyX: is there anything about the forums that I can answer?
[09:56] <OdyX> jdong: maybe... It's not soooo important...
[09:57] <OdyX> jdong: we were wondering if the equation "Ubuntu-* forum moderator => (K)Ubuntu member" was autmatic.
[09:58] <jdong> OdyX: not currently...
[09:58] <OdyX> that's what I wanted to hear...
[09:58] <jdong> OdyX: the ubuntuforums government is somewhat independent...
[09:59] <jdong> we do not have any clear-cut preference whether our staff are ubuntu members or sign the CoC at launchpad.. we believe that it's their individual decision
[09:59] <OdyX> OK... That's fine... because I would see no reason for modos from UbuntuForums to be members as it is not (AFAIK) for Ubuntu-fr forums for ex.
[09:59] <OdyX> jdong: thank you very much for answers...
[09:59] <jdong> but of course, they are accountable for their actions at the forums, and we deal with that internally :)
[09:59] <jdong> you're welcome, OdyX. feel free to ask me anytime if more issues come up; I'm on IRC quite often
[10:00] <OdyX> as do I jdong :D
[10:00] <jdong> OdyX, are you ubuntu-fr staff?
[10:00] <OdyX> jdong: actually not...
[10:00] <OdyX> jdong: I'm no member, just "want to do more"-user :D
[10:01] <jdong> ah, ok
[10:01] <jdong> nice to meet you, OdyX.
[10:01] <OdyX> member on ubuntu-fr forums and answering on #(k)ubuntu-fr
[10:01] <OdyX> :D
[10:01] <OdyX> nice to meet you too jdong.
[10:01] <OdyX> jdong: nice try ! :D
[10:02] <OdyX> jdong: but I'm no significant user... I'd like to... but I'm not :D
[10:02] <Lure> Riddell: already submitted - bug 40393
[10:02] <jdong> hey, we all have to start from somewhere
[10:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40393 in kdebase kcontrol "Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu9 crashes during post-installation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40393
[10:02] <OdyX> jdong: that's a fact... I just don't know how to go on.
[10:03] <jdong> OdyX: everyone has their own way of contributing back... whether it's supporting other users, trying to lend a hand on bug reports, etc etc etc
[10:03] <jdong> people around here are quite open about others being involved
[10:03] <jdong> it's one reason I've stuck with Ubuntu
[10:04] <OdyX> as do I
[10:04] <OdyX> I previously was on an adapted FC3...
[10:04] <OdyX> I was the only community
[10:05] <OdyX> so the change is pretty significant
[10:26] <jdong> Riddell: I can confirm lure's problem
[10:26] <jdong> Setting up kcontrol (3.5.2-0ubuntu9) ...
[10:26] <jdong> dpkg: error processing kcontrol (--configure):
[10:26] <jdong>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[10:36] <jdong> can anyone tell me how well espresso KDE works in kubuntu beta?
[10:36] <jdong> I've traditionally had bad luck with it
[10:36] <jdong> I am installing a couple beta systems tomorrow
[10:37] <jdong> wondering which image I'm gonna torrent this time
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: ping again
[10:38] <uniq> i can confirm the kcontrol problem too. Uncommented the 'case' part of the postinst script and it works.
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: any idea what went wrong with adept in dapper? it seems that dupes of "could not open database" problem are starting to flow in
[10:38] <jpatrick> jdong: 'kdesu expresso kde-ui' iirc
[10:38] <kwwii> I get the feeling that Riddel is the busiest person on earth
[10:39] <jdong> jpatrick: right; I've had it bomb out a lot in daily snapshots over the past week
[10:39] <uniq> i also have the exact same configure problem with kino.
[10:40] <uniq> kwwii: me too. i almost feel bad poking him about things. :|
[10:40] <kwwii> :-)
[10:47] <Lure> jdong: it crashed for me :-( - just after identification window
[10:47] <jdong> wonderful
[10:48] <jdong> latest crashes for me have been partitioner related
[10:48] <Lure> jdong: this is also probably partitioner, as partitioner page just pops up for a second, then dies
[10:49] <jdong> Lure: ok, then I can confirm the same crash on the 0420 snapshot
[11:04] <OdyX> does anyone know why kubuntu.org is not responding to ping, but works with wget for example
[11:04] <OdyX> ?
[11:22] <OdyX> This is known huh? E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:24] <Riddell> OdyX: it probably has a firewall on eit
[11:25] <OdyX> Riddell: so no ping is "normal" ?
[11:29] <Riddell> yes
[11:30] <Riddell> freeflying-ibook: know anything of a fix for mornfall's problem?
[11:31] <mornfall> graphic shutdown... what people don't care about
[11:52] <OdyX> huh ? samba-server not working on Kubuntu ?
[11:52] <OdyX> need to install samba ?
[11:58] <Riddell> anyone got a printer and able to test new kdelibs packages?
[12:00] <OdyX> Riddell: I could yep.
[12:00] <OdyX> package ?
[12:00] <Riddell> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/packages/cupsys/ ./
[12:01] <Riddell> get cupsys and libcupsys2 from there
[12:01] <Riddell> then wget and install these http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdelibs/
[12:01] <OdyX> Riddell: what should be precisely tested ?
[12:01] <Riddell> whether you can add printers and print to them
[12:02] <Riddell> printing from KDE
[12:02] <OdyX> OK