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| Surak | is this a translation error or something with rosetta: the string "Hostname:" was translated as NomedaMquina:\r\n | 12:08 |
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| Surak | Nomedemquina:\r\n | 12:08 |
| Surak | #-#-#-#-#pt_BR.po(liveinstaller)#-#-#-#-#\r\n | 12:08 |
| Surak | Nomedocomputador: | 12:08 |
| Surak | this way, with four lines | 12:08 |
| kiko-office | it's odd | 12:11 |
| Surak | indeed. | 12:11 |
| kiko-office | do you at least see the 4 lines in a textarea? | 12:12 |
| Surak | kiko: i exported the "debian-installer" to a .mo and I'm using granslator | 12:13 |
| kiko-office | ah I see | 12:13 |
| kiko-office | does rosetta display the same string? | 12:14 |
| Surak | I don't know, I can't search ;-) | 12:14 |
| Surak | the string numbers in granslator and rosetta doesn't match | 12:14 |
| carlos | Surak: that's part of the msgmerge output | 12:19 |
| carlos | Surak: and comes from outside Rosetta | 12:19 |
| carlos | it means it found two different translations for the same msgid | 12:19 |
| Surak | carlos: where does it come from? | 12:19 |
| Surak | oh | 12:19 |
| carlos | so you need to fix it and choose the one that fits better | 12:19 |
| Surak | oh, ok. does rosetta manages this if I don't do anything? | 12:20 |
| carlos | no, Rosetta will leave that string as fuzzy | 12:20 |
| carlos | until someone fixes it | 12:20 |
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| carlos | see you ! | 12:49 |
| Surak | bye! | 12:49 |
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| Surak | hum. Lauchpad exports .po and .mo files, but gtranslator accepts only .mo files. Now, rosetta accepts only .po files tu upload back. what sould I do? | 01:17 |
| mdke | gtranslator only accepts .mo files? are you sure?!? | 01:20 |
| Surak | mdke: no, I'm not sure, but the exported .po files from rosetta fails to load on gtranslator | 01:21 |
| mdke | lemme try | 01:21 |
| mdke | I was under the impression that po and mo files are the same, but with different names. Guess not | 01:21 |
| Surak | I now have translated more than 600 strings and I have this .mo. now. | 01:21 |
| Surak | I know how to convert from .po to .mo, but not the reverse. | 01:22 |
| mdke | po files open ok in gtranslator, I just gave it a try | 01:23 |
| Surak | mdke: it must be this particular exported file. | 01:23 |
| mdke | could be | 01:23 |
| Surak | I tried three times on breezy's gtranslator. | 01:24 |
| Surak | this is debian-installer translation to pt_BR. | 01:24 |
| mdke | you will have to file a bug on either rosetta or gtranslator I suppose | 01:26 |
| Surak | mdke: yes, but I still don't know what to do with all those strings :-) | 01:27 |
| mdke | Surak, you'll have to copy them to a po file, I suppose. | 01:27 |
| Surak | That's why I'm here. I don't know how I do this. | 01:28 |
| mdke | copy/paste? | 01:28 |
| mdke | I don't think there is a quick way to do it | 01:29 |
| mdke | but you could ask in a l10n/gettext channel, someone might know how to do it | 01:29 |
| Surak | copy and paste those 600+ strings would be freaky. | 01:29 |
| mdke | Surak, better than losing them though | 01:29 |
| Surak | yes, | 01:29 |
| Surak | perhaps I can leave a junior worker doing this :-) | 01:31 |
| Surak | well, I'll go home now. | 01:31 |
| Surak | I can try this tomorrow. Thanks for your attention. | 01:31 |
| mdke | good luck! | 01:33 |
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| Surak | Mdke: duh me. If you save it with the extension .po, it will hadle this correctly, as gimp does. | 01:37 |
| mdke | good | 01:38 |
| Surak | thanks, and good night, whatever your timezone is :-) | 01:38 |
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| wasabi__ | So... LP is kinda odd... It's like a big object-ish wiki it looks like | 03:37 |
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| mruiz | hello | 04:27 |
| mruiz | someone can help me? days ago I reported a Gaim bug, but close it. Where I can find it? (in LP don't appear) | 04:30 |
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| mruiz | hello! How I can delete a bug attachment? | 04:54 |
| mruiz | I did a mistake (upload another image) when reported a bug ;-) | 04:58 |
| mruiz | someone can help me? :-( | 05:00 |
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| SteveA | morning | 05:38 |
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| mpt | SteveA, wow, you were serious about getting up earlier | 06:23 |
| SteveA | mpt: woke up at about 6am, saw that the sun was about to rise over the hills to the east, and decided to stay up | 06:24 |
| stub | mpt: Is it known that Malone comments and descriptions are having whitespace munched again? | 06:27 |
| lifeless | stub: going to be around for a bit? thinking of a bzr upgrade to vostok & balleny. | 06:39 |
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| stub | lifeless: I was going to grab some lunch and then I'm around for the rest of the day. | 06:40 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I'd like to upgrade bzr on vostok. this should not distrupt launchpad, but will let us start testing knits. | 06:40 |
| lifeless | stub: well, I don't need you for it, but wanted to coordinate | 06:40 |
| stub | lifeless: ok | 06:40 |
| stub | I need to do some cherry picks a bit later | 06:41 |
| lifeless | stub: I'll drop a new bzr & bzrtools into launchpad, check tests pass, and if they do update the production branch ? | 06:41 |
| SteveA | lifeless: what does vostok do? | 06:41 |
| lifeless | SteveA: sftp supermirror | 06:41 |
| stub | lifeless: The Launchpad app servers don't use bzrlib afaik, so sure. Update production/launchpad on balleny and push it to vostok. | 06:42 |
| lifeless | stub: the branch-scanner does. | 06:42 |
| stub | That is being done by the appservers? In real time? | 06:42 |
| lifeless | stub: not appservers no. its a cron job on gangotri | 06:43 |
| stub | Ahh. Ok. | 06:43 |
| stub | Should be fine. I'll push it later today to gangotri and gandwana with the cherry picks. Once you are done with vostok. | 06:43 |
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| SteveA | jamesh: ping | 07:37 |
| SteveA | mpt: ping | 07:37 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:02 |
| mpt | SteveA, pong | 09:04 |
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| mpt | BjornT, ping | 09:17 |
| BjornT | mpt: pong | 09:19 |
| mpt | BjornT, bug 39142 points out that we have "(Required)" next to checkboxes, which makes no sense | 09:22 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39142 in launchpad "Attachments: Why is the "patch" field "required"?" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39142 | 09:22 |
| mpt | BjornT, perhaps that should be fixed in Zope? | 09:22 |
| sivang | morning all | 09:24 |
| mpt | hi sivang, how's hacking? | 09:25 |
| sivang | mpt: fine :) I mostly followed your design btw, hope that it would look sane, you can branch and see for youself. | 09:26 |
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| BjornT | mpt: it's not easy to fix it in zope. in zope, having required on a checkbox does make a difference, so we can't simply remove that functionality. i think the way to solve this is when we render the widget, which will be solved with FormLayout. | 09:28 |
| BjornT | (with 'having required on a checkbox' i meant on an implementation level, displaying it doesn't make any sense) | 09:29 |
| mpt | BjornT, ok, I'll add it to that spec | 09:29 |
| mpt | oh, it already is in the spec | 09:31 |
| BjornT | mpt: btw, when removing bug watches, do you see any problem with removing the actual bugtask the bug watch is attached to? | 09:33 |
| mpt | BjornT, no, that seems fine | 09:34 |
| mpt | but I haven't replied to your message about a good design for that, because I haven't been able to think of one :-) | 09:35 |
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| BjornT | well, i was mostly concerned about the design if we decided to keep the bugtask after the bug watch had been deleted. although a better design for removing a bug watch would be good :) for now i'm going to put the functionality in there with the design you suggested in some bug, then we can tweak it later. | 09:38 |
| stub | lifeless: pqm html quoting bug visible now on pqm.launchpad.net | 09:40 |
| lifeless | I dont see it | 09:42 |
| lifeless | if you see a bug, file a bug on pqm ;0 | 09:42 |
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| SteveA | mpt_: pongpong | 10:53 |
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| mpt_ | SteveA, pongping | 11:37 |
| mpt_ | SteveA, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/DevelopmentMeeting20060413 | 11:38 |
| SteveA | cool, thanks | 11:39 |
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| mpt_ | SteveA, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda also updated | 11:45 |
| SteveA | thanks! | 11:45 |
| mpt_ | and I suck for doing neither of those earlier | 11:48 |
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| stub | lifeless: You still doing pqm stuff on Balleny? Jobs seem to be going through, but no commits being made on balleny and no emails going out to arch-commits or me | 12:22 |
| mpt | Can someone remind me what a distribution's members team is useful for? | 12:23 |
| lifeless | stub: no, I'm not. are people recieving errors ? | 12:25 |
| stub | I suspect it serves no purpose but to 'bless' a particular team as 'official'. But I'm not sure | 12:25 |
| stub | lifeless: Hmm.... maybe it is just my merge failing and the failure message is not getting through... | 12:26 |
| lifeless | stub: looks like its working correctly to me. | 12:26 |
| lifeless | bzr commits are working fine. | 12:26 |
| lifeless | and I've recieved no tracebacks in my mailbox - so pqm has not been crashing. | 12:27 |
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| lifeless | stub: the key things are : the merge is occuring, make check is running. | 12:29 |
| stub | yer - looks like some page tests are broken on that branch for some unknown reason. No idea why messages aren't reaching me. | 12:41 |
| SteveA | mpt: for ubuntu, it is the team where all members must have a current valid CoC, and have been approved by the CC as members. they can vote on stuff. | 12:41 |
| mpt | ah, the voters | 12:43 |
| mpt | Ok, I'll put that in interfaces/distribution.py | 12:43 |
| mpt | because description=+("The distribution's members team.") is a bit anti-helpful | 12:44 |
| SteveA | i do not know whether all distros will do voting like this | 12:48 |
| SteveA | or attach the same meaning to "members" as ubuntu does | 12:49 |
| SteveA | we can assume that other distros will operate in the same way, at least for now | 12:50 |
| mpt | Well if Launchpad doesn't treat it specially, maybe it shouldn't be there | 12:58 |
| SteveA | for ubuntu, launchpad does treat it specially | 01:02 |
| SteveA | for other distros, i think it is no more special than "these are the members of the distribution" | 01:02 |
| SteveA | and the semantic of "members of the distribution" is defined outside the scope of launchpad | 01:02 |
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| lifeless | stub: I'm starting a background conversion of launchpad to knits on balleny. it is so that we have the data prepped for whever we do convert. | 01:19 |
| lifeless | stub: it won't affect pqm except to give it a little cpu contention | 01:19 |
| lifeless | stub: please don't kill the process though. | 01:19 |
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| carlos | hi | 01:31 |
| carlos | I'm back | 01:31 |
| ddaa | hello | 01:31 |
| ddaa | I'm back too | 01:31 |
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| matsubara | good morning! | 01:35 |
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| SteveA | almost meeting time | 01:56 |
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| cprov | morning, guys | 02:00 |
| SteveA | MEETING TIME | 02:00 |
| SteveA | who is here today? | 02:00 |
| bradb | me | 02:00 |
| BjornT | i'm here | 02:00 |
| mpt | me | 02:00 |
| cprov | me | 02:01 |
| ddaa | me | 02:01 |
| matsubara | me | 02:01 |
| carlos | me | 02:01 |
| salgado | me | 02:01 |
| jamesh | me | 02:01 |
| SteveA | kiko is traveling to FISL | 02:01 |
| SteveA | is spiv around? | 02:01 |
| SteveA | maybe he's on vacation. i can't remember | 02:01 |
| SteveA | stub: ? | 02:01 |
| lifeless | aye aye | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Roll call | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Agenda | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Next meeting | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Activity reports | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Items from last meeting | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Launchpad oops milestone report | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Outstanding sysadmin requests | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Production / staging (stub) | 02:02 |
| carlos | SteveA: spiv is on holidays until 25th | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Keep, Bag, Change | 02:02 |
| SteveA | * Three sentences | 02:02 |
| SteveA | 02:02 | |
| SteveA | next meeting, same time next week? | 02:02 |
| SteveA | thanks carlos | 02:02 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:SteveA] : PQM busy DO NOT KILL | https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 27 April, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| SteveA | activity reports? | 02:02 |
| lifeless | SteveA: kill the PQM bit there please | 02:03 |
| SteveA | i sent tuesday's, but not wednesdays | 02:03 |
| lifeless | SteveA: its stale now | 02:03 |
| carlos | I'm up to date | 02:03 |
| lifeless | up to date | 02:03 |
| BjornT | i'm up to date | 02:03 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:SteveA] : https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 27 April, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
| mpt | up to date | 02:03 |
| matsubara | i'm up to date | 02:03 |
| bradb | up to date | 02:03 |
| ddaa | up to date | 02:03 |
| salgado | up to date | 02:03 |
| SteveA | * Items from last meeting | 02:03 |
| SteveA | there are a few of these | 02:03 |
| cprov | not up, will send them after meeting | 02:04 |
| SteveA | * '''matsubara''' to merge person validation fix for advanced bug search | 02:04 |
| SteveA | * '''matsubara''' to report bugs on other exceptions | 02:04 |
| matsubara | SteveA: merged | 02:04 |
| matsubara | and reported | 02:05 |
| SteveA | * '''BjornT''' to make it possible for anyone to close a support request | 02:05 |
| SteveA | * '''mpt''' to remove support request links from the error page | 02:06 |
| SteveA | * '''mpt''' to do the bazaar-ui review for ddaa | 02:06 |
| ddaa | bazaar-ui review done, need to act on it | 02:06 |
| BjornT | SteveA: not done, didn't know it should be done before the next meeting | 02:06 |
| mpt | I've done the bazaar-ui review, but not the link removal. I'll do the latter once I've finished reviewing Mark's mega-landing. | 02:06 |
| SteveA | BjornT: not necessarily to be done for the next meeting | 02:07 |
| SteveA | but it means we're specifcally tracking its status in these meetings | 02:07 |
| SteveA | * '''jamesh''' to land pygpgme branch | 02:07 |
| SteveA | * '''jamesh''' to give feedback to ddaa | 02:07 |
| lifeless | first is done | 02:07 |
| SteveA | * '''stub''' to report a bug on increasing the # of retries attempted | 02:07 |
| SteveA | * '''stub''' to discuss making Retry exceptions more informative, on the PostgreSQL mailing lists | 02:07 |
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| jamesh | I talked with ddaa last week before easter | 02:07 |
| lifeless | was already done when that meeting started | 02:07 |
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| ddaa | phoned jamesh thursday, will phone again as soon as I get through the mail backlog and find a convenient time. | 02:08 |
| SteveA | * Launchpad oops milestone report | 02:08 |
| matsubara | Top exception is #40169 which is fixed. I mailed stub to cherrypick it. | 02:09 |
| matsubara | We're still seeing lots of sessiondata_key and Retry exceptions which stub is taking care of. | 02:09 |
| SteveA | bug 41069 | 02:09 |
| matsubara | TraversalError in +potlist is #40206 which is already fixed too. | 02:09 |
| matsubara | We have a new UnicodeEncodeError in a +spec page and a possible regression in advanced bug search form, I'll investigate both today. | 02:09 |
| matsubara | We had 0 Soft TimeOut in the last report and the TimeOuts are pretty low too. | 02:09 |
| SteveA | bug 40169 | 02:09 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40169 in soyuz "Builds inserted by gina doesn't have a buildqueue_record" [Normal,Fix committed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40169 | 02:09 |
| SteveA | great | 02:09 |
| SteveA | * Outstanding sysadmin requests | 02:09 |
| mpt | There was a bug preventing timeouts from triggering, wasn't there stub? | 02:09 |
| SteveA | there was a bug | 02:09 |
| SteveA | bjorn fixed it | 02:10 |
| mpt | cool | 02:10 |
| ddaa | learn how to skew stats :) | 02:10 |
| BjornT | matsubara: the UnicodeEncodeError is a bug in zope, i'll file a bug about it later. | 02:10 |
| matsubara | BjornT: all right, thanks | 02:10 |
| SteveA | * Production / staging (stub) | 02:10 |
| SteveA | no sign of stub :-( | 02:11 |
| SteveA | * Keep, Bag, Change | 02:11 |
| jamesh | matsubara: the encode to latin1 bugs seem to be Accept-Encoding related | 02:11 |
| BjornT | jamesh: it is, zope chooses the wrong encoding | 02:11 |
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| SteveA | 5 | 02:12 |
| SteveA | 4 | 02:12 |
| SteveA | 3 | 02:12 |
| SteveA | 2 | 02:12 |
| === ddaa cannot think of something to complain about today | ||
| SteveA | 1 | 02:12 |
| SteveA | ok | 02:12 |
| SteveA | this is truely a short meeting | 02:12 |
| SteveA | i'll ask stub to send his production / staging stuff to the list, when he turns up | 02:12 |
| SteveA | * Three sentences | 02:12 |
| SteveA | <kiko> DONE: crash and performance fixes, reviews, management as usual | 02:13 |
| SteveA | <kiko> TODO: staging QA process with matsubara, feature planning for LP 1.0 | 02:13 |
| SteveA | <kiko> BLOCKED: jamesh doesn't update the error report script to not include NotFoundError in the 404 list, stub needs to tell me where staging oopses are being stored | 02:13 |
| carlos | DONE: KDE and other imports. All .pot files are approved now. Bugs #2529, #32610, #38984, ubuntu-docs/kubuntu-docs fixes, added plural forms information for Dzongkha and Berber, new Debian installer upload (This is my work for the last two weeks as I didn't attend last meeting). | 02:13 |
| carlos | TODO: Approve the remaining .po files now that .pot ones are approved, fix all translations domains so we can use Rosetta directly for language packs without mixing it with buildd output, #4646 and merge my POMsgSetPage branch that it starts smelling a lot... | 02:13 |
| carlos | BLOCKED: no | 02:13 |
| BjornT | DONE: bug fixes. reviews | 02:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 32610 in openoffice.org "all untranslated messages imported from OOo are marked as translated" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/32610 | 02:13 |
| BjornT | TODO: Make it possible to delete bug watches. email notifications for bug watch changes. reviews. | 02:13 |
| bradb | DONE: Easter. Put bugtask dates up for review. Put | 02:13 |
| bradb | remove-bp-from-bugtask-status-page up for review. Bugmail. | 02:13 |
| bradb | TODO: Land those branches. IBug.last_updated. | 02:13 |
| bradb | BLOCKED: No. | 02:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38984 in rosetta "Boxes for translated strings is "hiding" content, wich makes wrongly translated strings." [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38984 | 02:13 |
| ddaa | DONE: leave, bzrtools fix, branch forms improvements, phone jamesh | 02:13 |
| ddaa | TODO: review and merge backlog, cscvs/bzr-native, phone jamesh more | 02:13 |
| ddaa | BLOCKED: sourcecode merge fixes (spiv) | 02:13 |
| BjornT | BLOCKED: no | 02:13 |
| mpt | DONE: Easter, menu deAquafication, started reviewing and fixing r3472 | 02:13 |
| mpt | TODO: Finish r3472 review, Rosetta bug fixes, other bug fixes | 02:13 |
| mpt | BLOCKED: no | 02:13 |
| matsubara | DONE: merged advanced bug search validation, fixed oops bugs | 02:13 |
| matsubara | TODO: fix more oops bugs and investigate a regression in advanced bug search validation. bug triage | 02:13 |
| matsubara | BLOCKED: no | 02:13 |
| jamesh | DONE: easter, code review, fix up RevisionNumber interface bug that broke bzrsync's uncommit feature. | 02:13 |
| jamesh | TODO: code review, importd stuff (discuss with ddaa) | 02:13 |
| jamesh | BLOCKED: no | 02:13 |
| lifeless | DONE: reviews, review team foo, bzr for-dapper preparation. | 02:13 |
| lifeless | TODO: zope 3.2 testing examination, | 02:13 |
| lifeless | BLOCKED: Nada | 02:13 |
| SteveA | DONE: email, management stuff | 02:14 |
| SteveA | TODO: menu fixes, new menus, crowd control | 02:14 |
| SteveA | BLOCKED: no | 02:14 |
| cprov | DONE: re-implemented ftpmaster/change-override scripts, other fixes in soyuz & dak-tools | 02:14 |
| cprov | TODO: dapper+1 tests for soyuz infrastructure in mawson (dogfood) | 02:14 |
| cprov | BLOCKED: none | 02:14 |
| mpt | TODO ALSO: land MaloneSimplifications | 02:14 |
| lifeless | SteveA: you have reviews to do too :) | 02:14 |
| SteveA | jamesh: what can you say about kiko being blocked? | 02:14 |
| SteveA | lifeless: noted | 02:14 |
| salgado | DONE: Merged my fix for the logintokens-being-deleted issue, fixed some bugs on python-codespeak-lib, code review and some work on ShipItForDapper | 02:14 |
| salgado | TODO: Add lots of pagetests for ShipItForDapper (doctest coverage is reasonable, already), merge my quickfixes branch, code review. | 02:14 |
| salgado | BLOCKED: No | 02:14 |
| SteveA | ddaa: you're blocked on spiv? yet he is on vacation. | 02:15 |
| jamesh | SteveA: I've updated the script today. I'll change my cron job to point at the copy of the script in rocketfuel-built, which should allow anyone to fix bugs | 02:15 |
| SteveA | jamesh: please reply to kiko's email to tell him so | 02:15 |
| stub | I was asleep, and wife on the phone so she didn't takes the calls. Sorry. | 02:15 |
| ddaa | SteveA: when I left, it was still impossible to merge to cscvs because of various breakage in sourcecode trees | 02:15 |
| jamesh | okay | 02:15 |
| SteveA | hi stub | 02:15 |
| cprov | SteveA: I wonder if we can have a short talk about the zope security system improvement mark has pointed some time ago. anytime today ? | 02:16 |
| ddaa | that's basically blocking the cscvs work, but I'm busy with some merge and review backlog anyway. | 02:16 |
| SteveA | ddaa: do you need anything done about this right away, or can it wait until spiv returns from vac? | 02:16 |
| lifeless | SteveA: the sourcecode/ stuff is the fallout from you asking me to disable tests running in there. We're nearly finished making it all copacetic again after your approval to do so. | 02:16 |
| SteveA | cprov: sure, i want to look at the security system again after i land crowdcontrol | 02:16 |
| ddaa | And if I start to be really blocked, I can just postpone merged to RF, just make a personal trunk. | 02:16 |
| SteveA | "copacetic" ? | 02:16 |
| ddaa | SteveA: so, can probably cope w/o emergency measures. | 02:16 |
| SteveA | stub: do you have three sentences? | 02:17 |
| cprov | SteveA: perfect, It might be convenient to consider that issue them, you ping me or I ping you ? | 02:17 |
| SteveA | also, can you answer kiko's blocked item about staging oops logs? | 02:17 |
| lifeless | http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/copacetic | 02:17 |
| cprov | s\them\then | 02:17 |
| SteveA | cprov: we should talk next week | 02:17 |
| SteveA | lifeless: is this SFW? | 02:18 |
| lifeless | SWF ? | 02:18 |
| mpt | Safe For Work? | 02:18 |
| ddaa | it's extant terminology | 02:18 |
| SteveA | stub: also, a staging / production report | 02:18 |
| cprov | SteveA: okay, thanks, just don't forget, he will blame me :( | 02:18 |
| lifeless | SteveA: yes. its less offensive than porn. | 02:18 |
| stub | DONE: PostgreSQL session update | 02:18 |
| stub | TODO: Fix mistery failing page tests and land PostgreSQL session fixes. Searching | 02:18 |
| stub | BLOCKED: No | 02:18 |
| lifeless | although good porn is clearly copacetic. | 02:19 |
| stub | kiko: configs/staging/launchpad.conf specifies where the oops logs go | 02:19 |
| mpt | lifeless, but is it cromulent? | 02:19 |
| SteveA | i was sure copacetic would be cromulent too | 02:19 |
| SteveA | but apparently not | 02:19 |
| ddaa | does that qualify as copacetic? http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Ubporn.jpg | 02:20 |
| SteveA | ddaa: that qualifies as NSFW | 02:20 |
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| lifeless | thank god I did not follow the french link | 02:21 |
| SteveA | and seeing as we're at work, in a work meeting | 02:21 |
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| SteveA | i'll ask for that to be excised from the logs that mpt lovingly prepares | 02:21 |
| lifeless | SteveA: thats 120 hours a week man. | 02:21 |
| SteveA | mpt: thanks for doing the meeting summary, btw | 02:21 |
| SteveA | would you do it again? | 02:21 |
| mpt | Me again? ok | 02:21 |
| mpt | So that's your answer, lifeless: I'm not the new SteveA, I'm the new daf. | 02:22 |
| SteveA | i liked your use of emboldened text | 02:22 |
| mpt | OOPS I'll Do It Again | 02:23 |
| SteveA | stub: staging / production ? | 02:23 |
| stub | The usual. Cherry picks will me made to the production app servers in the next few hours. | 02:23 |
| stub | Nothing to report on staging. | 02:24 |
| SteveA | ok | 02:24 |
| SteveA | any other business for this meeting? | 02:24 |
| stub | There was a production rollout on Tuesday as Mark wanted some of his stuff to land, so we are running Zope 3.2 in production earlier than we thought. | 02:24 |
| BjornT | SteveA: jumping back to sysadmin request, could you push for rt #6081 being resolved soon? code in production needs that on resolved for debbugs watches to be synced | 02:25 |
| SteveA | BjornT: okay. although i gather sysadmin resources are rather tied up until after the dapper beta | 02:26 |
| SteveA | can it wait until then? | 02:26 |
| carlos | stub: I'm resolving some merge conflicts and will request another cherrypick to solve a security problem, but it can wait until Tuesday as it's not too critical. I just want to be sure that it will be added to production with next Tuesday rollout (or before) | 02:27 |
| BjornT | yeah i guess so. | 02:27 |
| stub | carlos: Ok. ta. | 02:27 |
| SteveA | any other other business? | 02:27 |
| SteveA | countdown of doom... | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 4 | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 3 | 02:27 |
| SteveA | 2 | 02:28 |
| SteveA | 1 | 02:28 |
| SteveA | end of meeting | 02:28 |
| SteveA | thanks folks. | 02:28 |
| SteveA | don't forget to use the specs system where appropriate, btw | 02:28 |
| SteveA | and don't forget to do the 360 stuff soon | 02:28 |
| ddaa | lifeless: I'm pulling rocketfuel into my repo, it's taking forever without visible progress (no spinner motion), did anything out of the ordinary happen to bzr.dev and/or rocketfuel during the week-end? | 02:28 |
| ddaa | cpu load is maxxed out | 02:29 |
| mpt | More granular progress feedback needed, perhaps | 02:29 |
| BjornT | ddaa: fwiw, for me it took 9 hours to pull rf into my repo | 02:29 |
| ddaa | I think it was usually faster | 02:29 |
| ddaa | BjornT: I'm pulling from a rsynced rocketfuel-built | 02:30 |
| ddaa | multi-hours pulls is completely uncharacteristic | 02:30 |
| BjornT | ddaa: me too, but it needs to do some major reconciling. it is expected, lifeless will probably tell you the details | 02:30 |
| ddaa | and quite harmful to productivity, since commits cannot happen in the meantime | 02:30 |
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| stub | Creating a fresh branch from rocketfuel-build, and merging your work into it, is much much faster. | 02:40 |
| stub | I think I'm coming down with something :-( | 02:42 |
| BjornT | well, pull rf during the night while i was asleep, so creating a new repository would probably have taken longer actual work time. | 02:44 |
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| salgado | lifeless, around? | 03:10 |
| salgado | stub, do you have access to see why pqm is dropping my requests and not sending me a failure message? | 03:16 |
| salgado | (usually it happens when an exception is not caught, and lifeless have them logged somewhere, I think) | 03:17 |
| stub | salgado: You too? I wasn't getting failures either :-P | 03:18 |
| stub | salgado: Will it have been the latest job request? | 03:18 |
| salgado | hmmm. I don't know. | 03:18 |
| salgado | did something go wrong with the last request? | 03:18 |
| stub | salgado: i have no way of telling one log from another. | 03:20 |
| stub | Hmm... a few empty logs :-( | 03:22 |
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| ddaa | 666 unread bugspam | 03:51 |
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| MenZa | Hmm, bug in Rosetta -- I suppose it's reported though: I'm just browsing, editing the Danish translation for Ubuntu Dapper, and it says "You are not an official translator at the top [...] " -- the only problem is that it displays the little orange box twice. | 03:57 |
| ddaa | stub: gangotri.ubuntu.com:9000 won't reply to GET /supermirror-pull-list.txt | 04:00 |
| ddaa | that breaks the branch puller | 04:00 |
| ddaa | any idea what's up? | 04:00 |
| ddaa | according to logs, it has been broken at least since Tueday 1300 UTC | 04:01 |
| stub | nope | 04:01 |
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| stub | Sounds like it stopped working with Zope 3.2 | 04:02 |
| ddaa | it's trying to access a page on a private service that's only availaible within the DC | 04:03 |
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| ddaa | layer="canonical.launchpad.layers.InternalHTTPLayer" | 04:04 |
| ddaa | telnet to gangotri:9000 connects, but the connection gets closed just after sending the get request | 04:05 |
| ddaa | <server> | 04:07 |
| ddaa | type InternalHTTP | 04:07 |
| ddaa | address 9000 | 04:07 |
| ddaa | </server> | 04:07 |
| ddaa | stub: do you think that would be something that would break with zope 3.2? | 04:07 |
| ddaa | (that's in production1/launchpad.conf) | 04:07 |
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| ddaa | heya again stub | 04:09 |
| ddaa | my last msg was "(that's in production1/launchpad.conf)", did you get it? | 04:10 |
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| stub | I don't see why that would change. There is something listening on port 9000 | 04:12 |
| stub | It just isn't responding to HTTP commands | 04:12 |
| ddaa | okay, I'll try doing some local tests, need to work around bzr pull breakage first :( | 04:12 |
| stub | I'm not going to be able to do the cherry picks tonight - looks like the merge is going to take some time due to the bzr borkage. I'll need to leave it running over night. | 04:13 |
| ddaa | provided I can fix the problem soon enough... | 04:14 |
| ddaa | I'll keep you posted. | 04:14 |
| stub | ddaa: I've got some tracebacks. SteveA would be the best person to have a look. | 04:19 |
| ddaa | stub: care to paste them, for my tranquility of mind? | 04:20 |
| stub | https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file1uX88J.html | 04:20 |
| ddaa | mh | 04:21 |
| ddaa | I have a good guess where the __call__ comes from | 04:21 |
| ddaa | class="canonical.launchpad.browser.BranchPullListing" | 04:22 |
| ddaa | attribute="__call__" | 04:22 |
| carlos | wow, the merge from rocketfuel is taking more than two hours already... | 04:23 |
| stub | carlos: It took 10 hours to do the work on balleny, which is a grunty AMD64 | 04:24 |
| carlos | WTF? | 04:24 |
| carlos | stub: hmm I guess that the security cherry pick will be done then on Tuesday.... | 04:25 |
| ddaa | carlos: see recent msg from lifeless on the launchpad@ mailing list | 04:25 |
| carlos | oh, so rocketfuel was 'infected' already? | 04:25 |
| ddaa | bad interaction of weave format with transition to shared repos and old branches with ghosts | 04:25 |
| carlos | I thought it was only a problem with PQM ... | 04:25 |
| stub | carlos: You can create a fresh branch and merge your work into that - it is a lot faster. | 04:26 |
| carlos | and I will need to do it for all my current branches?.... | 04:27 |
| carlos | that will make me lose the history... not a big deal, but.... | 04:27 |
| stub | Your history will still be there | 04:27 |
| stub | oic | 04:28 |
| carlos | oh | 04:30 |
| carlos | so merge from rocketfuel into my branch is slow | 04:30 |
| carlos | but merge from my branch into a rocketfuel copy, that would be faster? | 04:30 |
| carlos | I thought you mean to apply the diff | 04:30 |
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| ddaa | cannot make head or tail of this traceback, falling back to fixing my repo and doing local tests | 04:34 |
| stub | carlos: Yes. Push will take a while, but it should still be much faster than waiting on the merge. | 04:43 |
| carlos | ok, the push 'problem' is not a problem ... | 04:44 |
| carlos | wow, that was faster.... | 04:48 |
| carlos | stub: thanks!! | 04:48 |
| ddaa | grahh | 04:52 |
| ddaa | knit is now default in bzr.dev and cannot create a weave repo anymore | 04:53 |
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| SteveA | ddaa: | 05:04 |
| SteveA | ddaa: did you want me to look into that wsgi-publisher-related TB? | 05:04 |
| ddaa | SteveA: that would be nice | 05:07 |
| SteveA | can you tell me what caused it? | 05:07 |
| SteveA | or what the circumstances you found it in | 05:07 |
| ddaa | SteveA: the problem is that branch-pull-listing.txt does not give any output at all (not even http header, connection just get closeds after receiving the get request) | 05:08 |
| ddaa | the corresponding zcml is at the top of branch.zcml | 05:08 |
| ddaa | I suspect that the attribute="__call__" might be related | 05:08 |
| ddaa | currently, nothing new gets published on bazaar.launchpad.net because of that breakage (not even sftp branches), so that's pretty critical. | 05:09 |
| SteveA | ddaa: for how long are you going to be around today? i'd like to look into it, but i have a commitment to write a doc for a contractor first | 05:10 |
| ddaa | long enough, might get out soon to get some food, but SO just got the fuck out until tomorrow | 05:10 |
| ddaa | so I'll be around late (started working late) | 05:10 |
| ddaa | and undisturbed, too | 05:11 |
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| ddaa | fg ddaa | 06:17 |
| ddaa | cool, was able to reproduce breakage locally :) | 06:28 |
| ddaa | apparently, not pagetested | 06:28 |
| ddaa | mh... not trivial to pagetest, either :( | 06:29 |
| ddaa | got it! | 06:33 |
| ddaa | SteveA: lib/canonical/launchpad/webapp/servers.py:347 | 06:34 |
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| SteveA | ddaa: i see | 06:42 |
| SteveA | i guess the contract of __call__ changed | 06:42 |
| ddaa | yup | 06:42 |
| ddaa | patching on it right now | 06:42 |
| SteveA | cool | 06:42 |
| ddaa | trivial obvious patch fixes it | 06:42 |
| SteveA | nice find | 06:42 |
| ddaa | not sure how to add a pagetest-sort of check for that page | 06:43 |
| ddaa | I guess I could just use urllib in a regular unittest ftest | 06:43 |
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| bigredradio | siretart: Have a second? | 06:48 |
| siretart | bigredradio: get cracking | 06:48 |
| bigredradio | In reference to Bug #38409, how did you come up with the solution? I am trying to understand the reasons for the failure | 06:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38409 in Debian "creation of snapshots fails unpredictably" [Unknown,Unknown] http://launchpad.net/bugs/38409 | 06:49 |
| siretart | bigredradio: #ubuntu-devel might be a better channel | 06:49 |
| siretart | bigredradio: both udev and lvm2 seem to try to create the same inode. the patch to the udev rules make udev stop that | 06:50 |
| bigredradio | siretart: Thanks so much. That makes sense. | 07:07 |
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| ddaa | SteveA: any clue how I could effectively pagetest InternalHTTPLayer? | 07:16 |
| SteveA | ddaa: yes, but it's all disgusting hackery | 07:17 |
| ddaa | well, that's zope... | 07:17 |
| ddaa | and I know you have a secret love for disgusting hackery, you pervert! | 07:17 |
| ddaa | SteveA: waiting for you to give me the hint, so I can commit the fix with a test. | 07:18 |
| SteveA | there is no easy way to pagetest it | 07:19 |
| SteveA | not without doing some extra stuff with the pagetesting infrastructure | 07:19 |
| ddaa | that's what I figured out so far | 07:19 |
| SteveA | i'm hoping the internal http layer can go away | 07:19 |
| SteveA | now that we're using the internal xmlrpc server jamesh has been working on | 07:20 |
| ddaa | It certainly, can. I think we should be using the authserver for that. | 07:20 |
| ddaa | or whatever jamesh has been working on, tell me more | 07:20 |
| SteveA | it is the authserver | 07:20 |
| SteveA | which we'll rebrand as the "internal xmlrpc server" | 07:20 |
| ddaa | okay, so we're in sync | 07:20 |
| SteveA | so i say, don't worry about a test for this | 07:20 |
| SteveA | and add a nice XXX and bug saying it will go away | 07:21 |
| ddaa | suggest I get the fix comitted and cherrypicking w/o test, then file a bug about cleaning that up | 07:21 |
| ddaa | :) | 07:21 |
| SteveA | good | 07:21 |
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| carlos | see you later | 07:35 |
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| dilys | Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=salgado] Create new POFiles with owners that have rights to translate it. We use Rosetta experts team as owners by default. Fixes the security bug #2529 (r3488: Carlos Perello Marin) | 08:12 |
| salgado | carlos, around? | 08:13 |
| elmo | lifeless: ping? | 08:14 |
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| rcaskey_ | why does https://wiki.canonical.com/LaunchpadLoginService prompt for credentials? | 09:05 |
| ddaa | because that wiki is private | 09:06 |
| rcaskey_ | oh | 09:06 |
| ddaa | wiki.launchpad.net is public though | 09:06 |
| rcaskey_ | dummy me didn't notice the wiki.launchpad.canonical.com -> wiki.canonical.com change ;) | 09:06 |
| ddaa | Anyway, you are really not interested in pay and leave procedures :) | 09:06 |
| rcaskey_ | I was wondering wheather LaunchpadLoginService had some nitty gritty details about possible plans for exposing an identity service ala krb or openid ;) | 09:07 |
| ddaa | I think stub would know anything about the current state of this sort of things | 09:09 |
| ddaa | but he's asleep right now | 09:09 |
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| C31L | Hi everyone | 10:08 |
| C31L | Someone knows when it'll be able the request for ubuntu 5.10 or 6 ? | 10:14 |
| mdke | C31L, you can request cds at http://shipit.ubuntu.com | 10:15 |
| C31L | mdke , in these pages says "we're unable to take your request" | 10:18 |
| mdke | C31L, does it give a reason? | 10:20 |
| C31L | Says "come back in the first weeks of May" | 10:21 |
| mdke | C31L, right, you can't order CDs for the next version of Ubuntu yet. Only the current version | 10:22 |
| salgado | C31L, that's for Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake). it hasn't been released yet, so we don't have CDs to ship | 10:22 |
| C31L | salgado , :O thats right hehe... | 10:24 |
| C31L | 1 question | 10:35 |
| C31L | Could be approved 1 request of 300 cds? | 10:35 |
| mdke | C31L, it is unlikely, unless you have a good reason. | 10:36 |
| mdke | C31L, read http://www.ubuntu.com/support/faq#head-7eef2db63e0a75424cdd663ee6f7b8eedcf19607 for more information | 10:36 |
| C31L | There are in my school over 1200 students interested in test Ubuntu | 10:37 |
| C31L | mdke , how many time could take to know if my request its approved? | 10:39 |
| salgado | C31L, it's probably easier if you tell them about https://shipit.ubuntu.com and the ones that are really interested can go there and ask some | 10:39 |
| mdke | C31L, I don't know. | 10:39 |
| C31L | Mmmmmm | 10:40 |
| salgado | C31L, someone will send you an email in a few days | 10:41 |
| lifeless | elmo: hi | 10:42 |
| elmo | lifeless: fyi, balleny is thrashing | 10:43 |
| lifeless | elmo: yes | 10:43 |
| lifeless | elmo: its also getting host key validation errors | 10:43 |
| lifeless | elmo: I know about the former, do you know about the latter ? | 10:43 |
| elmo | hmm, to/with what? | 10:43 |
| lifeless | I would expect chinstrap | 10:43 |
| elmo | blink - I know nothing about that | 10:44 |
| lifeless | let me forward you the backtrace | 10:44 |
| lifeless | done | 10:44 |
| ddaa | hey lifeless | 10:44 |
| elmo | lifeless: does balleny need more memory, or is this a temporary thing? | 10:44 |
| lifeless | elmo: temporary | 10:46 |
| lifeless | elmo: its the first knit conversion | 10:46 |
| ddaa | lifeless: when is the time to go all knits with launchpad? | 10:47 |
| lifeless | which is the worst case conversion | 10:47 |
| elmo | lifeless: ok | 10:47 |
| lifeless | elmo: after this we'll be onto incremental conversions which use less data | 10:47 |
| lifeless | I didn't expect this to be quite so bad TBH | 10:48 |
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| lifeless | ddaa: its going to be traumatic if its not done carefully. So 'not yet'. | 10:48 |
| lifeless | ddaa: I'm going to pre-convert a bunch of branches, then get estimates on incremental conversion of branches, so we can plan. | 10:49 |
| lifeless | elmo: its possible the conversion has died in the ass. I'll keep an eye on it | 10:51 |
| elmo | lifeless: I've no idea what the host key verification stuff is about - there's been no change on chinstrap, like, ever to the host key | 10:53 |
| lifeless | elmo: weird. | 10:53 |
| lifeless | elmo: could be someone giving it a random sftp url somewhere else, which will prompt for host key normally | 10:53 |
| lifeless | in which case I'm happy with the error :) | 10:54 |
| elmo | might be nice to get it to print out what hostkey it couldn't verify before raising the exception tho? | 10:54 |
| lifeless | yeh. I'll raise that with the paramiko author | 10:55 |
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| carlos | salgado: hi | 11:18 |
| salgado | carlos, nm, I was going to ask you a question about your pqm's request. but it's still on pqm's page, so I've already seen what I wanted | 11:19 |
| carlos | ok | 11:19 |
| jordi | carlos: we have a Maltese plural form request | 11:20 |
| carlos | jordi: where? | 11:20 |
| jordi | rosetta-users, just moderated | 11:21 |
| jordi | nplurals = 4 | 11:21 |
| jordi | expression = n==1?0 : | 11:21 |
| jordi | ( n==0 || ((n%100) >=2 && (n%100) <= 10) ) ? 1 : | 11:21 |
| jordi | ( (n%100) >=11 && (n%100) <= 19 ) ? 2 : 3 | 11:21 |
| jordi | wow, that's quite cool | 11:21 |
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| jordi | mdke: hey | 11:24 |
| jordi | mdke: I just gave you some Catalan goodness for firefox | 11:24 |
| jordi | mdke: I just npoticed a mistake: "eines de programa" should be "eines de programari". Can you add that fix? | 11:26 |
| mdke | jordi, certainly. | 11:27 |
| jordi | great, thanks! | 11:27 |
| mdke | thank _you_ | 11:27 |
| carlos | jordi: ok, I will prepare the patch tomorrow, I need to go to sleep now, I'm too tired... I just came back to shutdown the laptop... | 11:29 |
| mdz | This is your wiki name in the Ubuntu wiki. You cannot remove it because without it you won't be able to login there. | 11:31 |
| mdz | is this still true? | 11:31 |
| mdz | I suppose so; even though we login to the wiki by email address, I guess it needs something | 11:32 |
| salgado | mdz, last time I heard this was because of a moin limitation. | 11:33 |
| salgado | need to check with spiv to be sure | 11:33 |
| jordi | carlos: ok | 11:33 |
| jordi | sleep well mate | 11:33 |
| carlos | jordi: thank you | 11:35 |
| mdke | night | 11:37 |
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