[01:25] <ajmitch> hi tritium :)
[01:26] <tritium> hi ajmitch :)
[01:27] <tritium> crimsun: where do you keep your pbuilder?  on a usb stick or drive?
[01:27] <crimsun> usb hd
[01:27] <ajmitch> great, the discussions about edgy have hit various news sites
[01:27] <ajmitch> including slashdot
[01:27] <crimsun> this x41 lacks sufficient hd space for pbuilders
[01:27] <ajmitch> really?
[01:28] <ajmitch> how much diskspace does it have?
[01:28] <crimsun> 36G, 29G of which is NTFS
[01:29] <ajmitch> ah, you have to use windows a bit on there?
[01:29] <crimsun> yeah
[01:30] <ajmitch> how unfortunate
[01:30] <crimsun> quite
[01:31] <ajmitch> there's 8GB unallocated with LVM, I think I might use that for sbuild+schroot
[01:31] <tritium> crimsun: perhaps there's a bright side.  is it 7200 rpm?
[01:31] <crimsun> tritium: no, but there's an even brighter side than its lower rpm, the fact that it's a Canonical machine
[01:32] <crimsun> can't really complain about hardware that's loaned/granted to me
[01:32] <tritium> crimsun: my same philosophy ;)
[01:49] <crimsun> great, vlc doesn't crash when I run it through valgrind. This is not going to be a fun night.
[01:56] <Xk2c> crimsun: maybe i could make your day ;)
[01:56] <Xk2c> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vtk/+bug/29821/+index
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29821 in vtk "merge new debian version" [Normal,Fix released] 
[01:56] <Xk2c> could please have look at it
[02:12] <LaserJock> Xk2c: I don't think it downgraded
[02:13] <Xk2c> Then i do not understand
[02:14] <Xk2c> Version: 4.4.2-8ubuntu1 > Version: 4.4.2-6ubuntu2
[02:14] <LaserJock> Xk2c: well, it looks like we need to merge a new Debian version
[02:14] <LaserJock> Xk2c: the current dapper version looks like -8ubuntu1 to me
[02:15] <Xk2c> doh
[02:15] <Xk2c> sorry
[02:15] <Xk2c> my fault
[02:15] <Xk2c> i checked in the wrong terminal
[02:16] <LaserJock> heh, that happens
[02:16] <Xk2c> ;)
[02:19] <LaserJock> but you realize you shouldn't be using breezy anyway, we have to get going on edgy pretty soon ;-)
[02:24] <Xk2c> *lol*
[02:24] <Xk2c> i upgarded my backupsystem yesterday to dapper
[02:25] <Xk2c> LaserJock: do have something for a bloody beginner to get his handy dirty?
[02:26] <Xk2c> i check the bug reports but they seem a bit high level
[02:27] <LaserJock> Xk2c: how do you mean? you don't know how to fix bugs?
[02:27] <Xk2c> i do not know how to patch and build something yes
[02:28] <LaserJock> heh, well welcome to the club ;-)
[02:28] <Xk2c> *lol*
[02:28] <Xk2c> :D
[02:28] <Xk2c> but therefor dapper is quite good
[02:28] <Xk2c> i have to say
[02:43] <Xk2c> cu
[03:33] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:34] <bmonty> hi Hobbsee
[04:24] <ajmitch_1> sigh
[04:24] <ajmitch_1> severe phone line issues today
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch_1
[04:24] <Hobbsee> so it  seems
[04:25] <ajmitch_1> I think it's related to the roadworks outside
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ajmitch_1: 4 of you...that's pretty good though...can you type from 4 at once?
[04:25] <ajmitch_1> very noticeable when talking to someone
[04:25] <ajmitch_1> sadly not
[04:27] <ajmitch> hopefully it'll stay stable for 5 minutes or so
[04:27] <ajmitch> if I can be so lucky :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:38] <Toadstool> hey motus
[04:39] <ajmitch> hi
[04:39] <Hobbsee> hi Toadstool
[04:39] <Toadstool> hi Hobbsee and ajmitch
[04:42] <Toadstool> hum... I've got only 3 hours left to sleep...
[04:42] <Toadstool> good night :)
[04:53] <Kyral> hey guys and Hobbsee :P
[04:53] <Hobbsee> heya Kyral
[04:54] <Kyral> The Edgy Eft will be most fun :D
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Kyral: is that what it's really called?
[04:54] <Kyral> Yah
[04:55] <jmg> it should have been edgy elephant
[04:55] <Kyral> oh jmg
[04:55] <Hobbsee> jmg: yeah, that'd be fun :P
[04:55] <Kyral> wanna work with me on Xen for Edgy?
[04:55] <jmg> Kyral: i thought it was me and hunger
[04:55] <jmg> but sure
[04:55] <jmg> :)
[04:56] <Kyral> jmg, at my school, Xen is our specialty
[04:56] <jmg> xen is my speciality
[04:56] <jmg> im working on xenifying the livecds :)
[04:56] <Kyral> Clarkson University
[04:56] <Kyral> Mean anything to you :P
[04:57] <jmg> oh you guys had the person that was supposed to do the soc stuff
[04:57] <jmg> but then he dissapeared :p
[04:57] <jmg> and made a big announcement and even created xen.cosi.clarkson.edu
[04:57] <Kyral> I'm gonna talk to the guy responsible for JXenophilla
[04:57] <jmg> which promptly went offline
[04:57] <Kyral> Uhh, we have had server troubles
[04:57] <jmg> xenophilia is crap
[04:57] <Kyral> we lost a RAID last week
[04:58] <Kyral> You name another GUI for Xen
[04:58] <jmg> sounds like you need a new it team
[04:58] <Kyral> err
[04:58] <Kyral> LVM Volume
[04:58] <jmg> xe
[04:58] <Kyral> meh
[04:59] <jmg> ive registered xenubuntu.com and .org
[05:03] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee, how's the finger?
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock - it looks like it's been grated, but it stopped bleeding, which is good :D
[05:03] <Hobbsee> means i can type again!
[05:04] <LaserJock> good, you sure were having problems yesterday
[05:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: a nice polite way of putting it :)
[05:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm alway polite ;-)
[05:04] <Kyral> wtf happened?
[05:08] <LaserJock> Kyral: Hobbsee cut her finger and so had a bandaid on and couldn't type very well
[05:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: LOL!
[05:08] <Kyral> ow!
[05:08] <Kyral> at least I didn't kiss you passionately
[05:09] <Hobbsee> the worst of the spelling errors i took out, you know...
[05:09] <Hobbsee> urgh...if you did.....you would not be very happy afterwards...
[05:09] <Kyral> Hammerspace?
[05:09] <LaserJock> yikes, cool it down kids
[05:09] <LaserJock> ;-)
[05:09] <Kyral> KID?!
[05:09] <Kyral> I'm 20 years old thank you!
[05:09] <Kyral> :P
[05:09] <ajmitch> Kyral: yes, exactly.
[05:10] <Yagisan> G'day all
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Kyral: yes.  you are a kid.  you're under the age of adulthood...
[05:10] <Kyral> I'm over 18....
[05:10] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[05:10] <Hobbsee> thought over there it was 21
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan
[05:10] <Kyral> No
[05:10] <Kyral> 21 is when you can DRINK
[05:10] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: 18 in AUs, 21 in Japan TTBOMK
[05:10] <Hobbsee> ah, well there you go
[05:10] <Kyral> 18 you can do everything else
[05:10] <Hobbsee> seems stupid to me
[05:10] <Yagisan> and 16 if you want to get laid
[05:11] <jamessan> Yagisan: depends on the state
[05:11] <Kyral> yah
[05:11] <Yagisan> or if you are gay
[05:11] <Kyral> its like 14 in some states
[05:11] <jamessan> and the age difference between the involved people
[05:11] <Yagisan> yeah. just a general guideline
[05:12] <Yagisan> Walked into a packed waiting room
[05:12] <Yagisan> nurse asked how I was
[05:13] <Yagisan> I thought it was a dumb question. I don't go unless I'm sick
[05:13] <Yagisan> so I said "Infectious"
[05:13] <ajmitch> hah
[05:13] <Yagisan> I got a seat and was seen *very* quickly
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: what'd you tell her?  that you were about to die on the nice clean floor or something, and force her to clean it all up?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[05:13] <ajmitch> how long did it take the waiting room to clear?
[05:13] <Yagisan> no one would sit near me :(
[05:14] <ajmitch> such a shame
[05:14] <Yagisan> how can I get better if I don't give it to someone else
[05:15] <Yagisan> oh well. can I get a NTSC user to confirm that telesync is broken in Bug #39819
[05:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39819 in avidemux "UVF exception request: avidemux (2.1.1 -> 2.1.2)" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39819
[05:16] <Yagisan> My NTSC dvd is stuffed, so I can't confirm it
[05:21] <LaserJock> hmm, is 200 Watts too little for a microATX board with 2 hard drive, a graphics card, and 2 cd drives?
[05:36] <Yagisan> ooh. my exchange gets adsl 2+ next month.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: yay!
[05:36] <Hobbsee> is adsl 2 faster than cable?
[05:36] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: 24000/1000
[05:37] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: thats' "2+" with tpg
[05:37] <Yagisan> so yaeh, looks faster
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[05:37] <Hobbsee> nice
[05:40] <Yagisan> anyone here use an ide to code & debug ? Any suggestions ?
[05:40] <Kyral> vim
[05:40] <ajmitch> only emacs, sorry
[05:40] <Kyral> or emacs
[05:40] <Kyral> depends on my mood
[05:40] <Hobbsee> kate :P
[05:40] <LaserJock> Yagisan: what language?
[05:41] <Yagisan> C, C++, Makefiles
[05:42] <Yagisan> sometime x86/amd64 asm
[05:42] <LaserJock> Yagisan: would eclipse work?
[05:43] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: that is one of my favorite features of KDE
[05:43] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:44] <Yagisan> LaserJock: I don't know. I'll check it out
[05:45] <LaserJock> I only know FORTRAN, a little bit of C, and Python so I'm not much help
[05:45] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I was using just a text editor, but well, it doesn't catch that many mistakes
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: that is true.  dont they get caught when you compile though?
[05:45] <seth|lappy> Hobbsee, I use yaKuake instead of the Kate terminal, for some reason
[05:46] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: some yes. usually after 10-15 minutes of building though.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> seth|away: mmm ok
[05:46] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: hehe, good point
[05:48] <Yagisan> LaserJock: eclipse has a lot of deps, doesn't it.
[05:49] <LaserJock> Yagisan: it could. I don't actually use it
[05:50] <LaserJock> I usually use vim or IDLE for python (sometimes SPE too)
[05:51] <LaserJock> sweet, I just pulled a MB
[05:58] <Yagisan> cool. GCC can tell you what functions it is actually building.
[05:59] <ajmitch__> hi
[06:00] <ajmitch__> yes, I'm here for a few more seconds
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:00] <Hobbsee> ajmitch__: it sounds like you should go into the uni, with a decent connection, and do no uni work :P
[06:03] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: exactly.  just you wait..
[06:04] <LaserJock> well, I feel pretty safe here in the US but I'm sure it is coming ;-)
[06:04] <Yagisan> yes. just think of all those lamb chops waiting for us over there.
[06:04] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:05] <Hobbsee> that's a good point
[06:05] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: so start the missiles?
[06:06] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: just as soon as we have enough mint sauce
[06:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:06] <Hobbsee> wb ajmitch
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: you think the sheep could replace the kangaroos here, as a form of transport?
[06:07] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: might be difficult. They do taste good, so it's hard to resist the urge to eat them
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: yes, but there are so many of htem...
[06:08] <LaserJock> wait, who has all the sheep?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: the land of new zealand...
[06:08] <LaserJock> ah, I thought it was .au
[06:08] <Hobbsee> well, one could argue that it's effectively part of au :P
[06:09] <ajmitch> .au has more sheep :P
[06:09] <Hobbsee> going into NZ - there are 2 gates, for customs:  1:  the au + nz gate, 2: the rest of the world
[06:09] <Yagisan> ajmitch. but not per person ;)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:09] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[06:09] <Hobbsee> go carrier pigeons!
[06:10] <ajmitch> I'd sure it'd be more reliable
[06:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I used to raise sheep. I wasn't terribly fond of them.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> how about using swallows in the place of carrier pidgeons?
[06:10] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: european or african?
[06:11] <Kyral> lol
[06:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:11] <Hobbsee> glad someone picked up the reference :P
[06:11] <LaserJock> and are they carrying cocanuts
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: NI!
[06:11] <tritium_> you'd get diversity gain by using multiple types of birds ;)
[06:11] <Kyral> Nif!
[06:11] <Kyral> NIF!
[06:11] <Kyral> NIF!!!
[06:11] <Hobbsee> no, ni!
[06:11] <Kyral> no its NIF!
[06:11] <LaserJock> Burn Her!
[06:12] <EvilHobbsee> she's a witch!
[06:12] <Hobbsee> :P
[06:12] <LaserJock> she turned me into a newt, and edgy eft in fact ;-)
[06:12] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: better that than what happened to the black knight you know...
[06:13] <Hobbsee> "it's only a flesh wound"
[06:13] <Kyral> I seriously saw some guy doing the Horse thing yesterday
[06:13] <LaserJock> come back here
[06:13] <LaserJock> I'll bite your legs off
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:14] <Kyral> Not gonna happen
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:15] <Hobbsee> now who can quote the holy scriptures for that?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> all of it
[06:16] <LaserJock> and the number of the counting shall be three
[06:16] <LaserJock> no more, no less
[06:16] <LaserJock> 5 is right out
[06:17] <LaserJock> dang it Hobbsee, now I'm going to go have to watch it or do some Python coding or something
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:17] <Kyral> some Monty Python coding!
[06:17] <Hobbsee> ooh yeah!
[06:17] <Hobbsee> that'd be fun
[06:17] <LaserJock> yeah, the docs have little references and quotes
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:18] <Hobbsee> i believe they're known as easter eggs, so why not?
[06:18] <Kyral> Create a variable named "Holy_Hand_Grenade_Of_Antitoch"
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[06:18] <Hobbsee> wonder if i'd get marked down for it...
[06:18] <Kyral> if it EVER is equal to 3, exit :P
[06:19] <LaserJock> I think they should have a ferocous man eating rabitt for an icon instead of the stupid snakes ;-)
[06:19] <Hobbsee> Kyral: hehe!
[06:21] <Gloubiboulga> hello
[06:21] <Kyral> DUCK!
[06:21] <Hobbsee> hi Gloubiboulga
[06:22] <Yagisan> wow. eclipise is slow to load
[06:22] <Kyral> NIF!!!
[06:22] <Hobbsee> ni!
[06:22] <Kyral> it!
[06:22] <Kyral> it! it! it!
[06:22] <Kyral> IT! IT! IT!!!
[06:23] <LaserJock> moooooo
[06:23] <LaserJock> ok, ok there must be work that we need to be doing
[06:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, the channel has gone downhill somewhat
[06:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:24] <Hobbsee> all right, who started the MP talk?  they should be told off...
[06:25] <Kyral> I think you did
[06:25] <Hobbsee> oh drat, that was me!
[06:25] <Hobbsee> okay, they shouldnt be told off then :P
[06:25] <Hobbsee> argh!
[06:26] <seth|lappy> not #gentoo!
[06:26] <seth|lappy> that's just harsh
[06:26] <ajmitch> simple solution, just burn her
[06:27] <Hobbsee> she's a witch!
[06:27] <Kyral> Someone called for fire?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> yes, in the fireplace please
[06:28] <seth|lappy> back to coding for me
[06:28] <seth|lappy> g'night peoples
[06:28] <Hobbsee> night seth|lappy
[06:34] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: used kdevelop ?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: a couple of times
[06:35] <Hobbsee> not a lot
[06:38] <Unfrgiven> hi all
[06:38] <ajmitch> hi Unfrgiven
[06:38] <Unfrgiven> i was thinking today... we really need a good GUI svn client for linux
[06:38] <ajmitch> like rapidsvn?
[06:38] <Unfrgiven> something like tortoiseSVN for Natulius would be great
[06:39] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: i currently use rapidsvn but its not even close to as good as tortoise
[06:39] <lifeless> Unfrgiven: dude, good *BZR* client.
[06:39] <tritium_> agreed, Unfrgiven
[06:39] <ajmitch> lifeless: definitely needed
[06:39] <Unfrgiven> lifeless: well svn is more widely used in most open source projects than bzr
[06:40] <Unfrgiven> perhaps we could write a nautlius plugin that abstracts the underlying vcs system?
[06:40] <LaserJock> I vote for both svn and bzr GUIs, although I'm not sure what I'd do with them
[06:41] <Yagisan> Unfrgiven: I tried all that we have for ubuntu. I went back to the command line.
[06:41] <Unfrgiven> has anyone here used tortoisesvn?
[06:41] <LaserJock> yes
[06:42] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: yeah and IMO, CLI is not great when dealing with lotsa files
[06:42] <LaserJock> cause I couldn't figure out how to use svn from CLI in windows ;-)
[06:42] <jmg> harden up and use cli
[06:42] <jmg> tortoise sux
[06:42] <Kyral> There is a CLI in Winblows?
[06:42] <jmg> yes
[06:42] <jmg> cli subversion client
[06:42] <Unfrgiven> jmg: yeah nice constructive argument there
[06:42] <jmg> Unfrgiven: if you ever run wininternals you'll see why tortoise blows
[06:43] <jmg> sysinternals*
[06:43] <Unfrgiven> jmg: well i havent. what i like about tortoise is the functionality
[06:43] <jmg> every time you open a file, or browse to a folder, or do anything, it tries to open a .svn directory
[06:43] <tritium_> LaserJock: did you know Amazon.com sells Ph.D. theses?  I just found mine for $55 :(
[06:43] <jmg> this applies to every single operation
[06:43] <LaserJock> tritium_: holy cow, really?
[06:43] <tritium_> yeah
[06:43] <Unfrgiven> jmg: so?
[06:43] <jmg> like loading dlls
[06:43] <tritium_> LaserJock: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EWB4YU/103-6409456-1700623?v=glance&n=551440
[06:44] <jmg> Unfrgiven: so thats fscking retarded
[06:44] <jmg> as for svn clients
[06:44] <jmg> use kde
[06:44] <LaserJock> tritium_: cool
[06:44] <ajmitch> tritium_: and you'd get nothing, I guess?
[06:44] <tritium_> LaserJock: I better get any royalties for that being sold...
[06:44] <tritium_> ajmitch: I'm supposed to
[06:44] <Unfrgiven> jmg: ok so thats poor implementation. but what does a user care about the implementation? if the application is user friendly and functionally rich, thats good enough for most people.
[06:45] <Unfrgiven> jmg: "use kde" - another constuctive argument
[06:45] <jmg> Unfrgiven: the user doesnt use svn. the developer does
[06:45] <tritium_> LaserJock_away: not so sure it's cool
[06:45] <jmg> Unfrgiven: kde has nice svn integration to konqueror through kioslaves
[06:45] <Unfrgiven> a developer that uses tortise, is a tortoise user
[06:46] <jmg> tritium: buy a copy and see if you get any royalties
[06:46] <jmg> Unfrgiven: the user cares when it slows wintendo down to a crawl
[06:46] <tritium_> jmg: it's not worth the money ;)
[06:47] <jmg> tritium: well, you could buy it from amazon and then sue them for not paying royalties
[06:47] <tritium_> heh
[07:40] <Hobbsee_away> ni!
[08:03] <Hobbsee> er...hello?
[08:04] <ajmitch> er...hi
[08:04] <Hobbsee> goody, thought the connection had dropped out
[08:38] <ajmitch> Yagisan: how so?
[08:38] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I need to find external emplyment fast
[08:39] <ajmitch> ah, business just not going?
[08:40] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it has been very slow since wife's injury, and I've just had something unexpected come up thats going to cost me more money then I have
[08:40] <ajmitch> :(
[08:40] <ajmitch> I hope you can find something fast then
[08:41] <Yagisan> ajmitch: me too.
[08:55] <cbx33> hi freeflying
[08:56] <freeflying> cbx33: hey
[08:56] <cbx33> Yagisan: :p
[08:56] <cbx33> she bugging you?
[09:09] <cbx33> how would one go about manualy testing a man page
[09:17] <dholbach> good morning
[09:17] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: hey
[09:17] <dholbach> hey Unfrgiven
[09:18] <highvoltage> Unfrgiven: does your nick come from a metallica song?
[09:18] <Unfrgiven> highvoltage: yeah! does yours from a linkin park song? :)
[09:19] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: how u doin
[09:19] <highvoltage> Unfrgiven: yes, in fact. from the reanimation CD.
[09:20] <Unfrgiven> highvoltage: actually high voltage was written before hybrid theory and just remixed on reanimation
[09:20] <dholbach> Unfrgiven: waking up, but otherwise fine, will do a bunch of CD test installs today
[09:20] <highvoltage> Unfrgiven: i was listening to the song over and over so that i could sing all the lyrics word for word. and my father walked in and said "You're starting to look like a highvoltage". that was about the same time i signed up for an isp service, and had to enter a name for my e-mail address, so i thought 'highvoltage' would be a logical choice
[09:20] <Unfrgiven> dholbach: cool
[09:20] <highvoltage> Unfrgiven: yes, i heard the original highvoltage (which I like more) after i chose the nick
[09:20] <highvoltage> Unfrgiven: then there's also the version on the DVD, which is quite cool
[09:20] <Unfrgiven> highvoltage: in my case Unforgiven is my favourite metallica song :)
[09:21] <Unfrgiven> highvoltage: but my then irc client had a character limit.. so I dropped the 'o'
[09:21] <highvoltage> aaah
[09:21] <Yagisan> cbx33: she's upset with me. her parents are ill, and we don't have the money for her to see them
[09:22] <Unfrgiven> Yagisan: oh dear. that sux man, i hope things work out for you
[09:22] <Yagisan> I neglected my business to look after her, when she was injured, and as a result we are very low on cash
[09:23] <Yagisan> so I need to a) get more customers, and b) pick up a second job
[10:10] <Yagisan> mm. kdevelop looks nice
[10:13] <Yagisan> cool. it finds all the fixmes
[10:50] <Hobbsee> wb ajmitch!
[10:51] <jmg> Yagisan: whats your businesS?
[10:51] <ajmitch> thanks
[10:59] <\sh> moins
[10:59] <jmg> moinmoins
[11:00] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[11:03] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[11:12] <Yagisan> jmg: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/eyagi
[11:21] <siretart> hey \sh
[11:21] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[11:21] <ajmitch> how are you?
[11:21] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[11:21] <siretart> thanks, I'm at work
[11:21] <siretart> and you?
[11:21] <ajmitch> my condolences :)
[11:22] <ajmitch> I'm good thanks
[11:22] <siretart> :)
[11:22] <kelmo_lap> hi siretart , ajmitch
[11:23] <\sh> moins siretart ajmitch :)
[11:23] <siretart> hey kelmo_lap
[11:23] <siretart> kelmo_lap: do you have time and energy to answer felix latest 'summary'?
[11:24] <kelmo_lap> siretart, neither really, currently my answer would not be very constructive
[11:24] <siretart> I'd better take a break from discussing with him. I might loose my self-control the 3rd time :/
[11:24] <kelmo_lap> indeed
[11:24] <siretart> ok
[11:24] <kelmo_lap> i don't want to go there tonight . . .
[11:25] <siretart> I'll see if I can answer perhaps at the week end or so
[11:25] <kelmo_lap> he just repeats the same stuff over and over
[11:26] <kelmo_lap> bringing up good points here and there
[11:26] <kelmo_lap> adding a bit of crap and subjective opinion in the mix
[11:27] <siretart> yes
[11:43] <Maxiii> www.naughty-xxx-porn-girls.com
[11:44] <jmg> www.piss-the-fuck-off-spammer.com
[11:45] <cbx33> heheh
[11:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:56] <zakame> hi Efts!
[11:57] <dholbach> hehe :-)))
[11:57] <dholbach> hi zakame
[11:57] <zakame> hi dholbach ! =)
[11:58] <zakame> is the archive hold for universe uploads still up?
[11:58] <dholbach> no, slomo just did an upload, so I'd rather think not
[11:59] <slomo_> zakame: you could upload all the time... the uploaded sources just didn't went into the archive but were queued somewhere
[11:59] <zakame> ah
[12:54] <kelmo_lap> siretart, ok, i lied
[12:54] <kelmo_lap> siretart, i could not let that rant go unanswered ; )
[12:54] <siretart> kelmo_lap: :)
[01:41] <Yagisan> re
[01:41] <ajmitch> hi Yagisan
[01:43] <Yagisan> evening ajmitch
[02:44] <Amaranth> E: alacarte: bad-version-number 0.9-0ubuntu1~testing
[02:44] <Amaranth> i thought that was allowed now
[02:44] <Amaranth> linda doesn't complain about it, lintian does
[02:46] <azeem> at least Debian's archive tools don't support it yet, dunno about Launchpad
[02:46] <Amaranth> it's used for backports
[02:47] <azeem> if it is in use already, lintian is probably outdated
[02:47] <azeem> maybe linda never had a check for that
[03:02] <zul> heylo
[03:26] <Kyral> hmm
[03:26] <Kyral> if I make a Kernel Source pack with the Beyond patchset....would I submit it to MOTU?
[03:26] <Kyral> hmm?
[03:26] <Yagisan> Kyral: we can't
[03:26] <Kyral> say what?
[03:26] <Kyral> why not?
[03:26] <Yagisan> Kyral: I already asked about doing universer kernels
[03:27] <Kyral> meh
[03:27] <Kyral> thats one thing I like about Arch
[03:27] <Yagisan> Kyral: it was strongly discouraged by core
[03:27] <Kyral> they have patched Kernels in their repos....
[03:27] <Kyral> and the Beyond kernel is very very nice
[03:28] <Yagisan> Kyral: because the users had issues with hoary (was that le last one with a universe kernel ?)
[03:28] <Kyral> I dunno
[03:28] <Yagisan> Kyral: I have my own patched kernels to. I wish I could integrate l-r-m with them though
[03:29] <Kyral> LRM....jeez thats a waste of a package...
[03:29] <Kyral> I like what Arch does with respect to the NVidia drivers
[03:29] <Kyral> They don't compile them for every kernel
[03:29] <Yagisan> Kyral: IIRC you said, rebuilds at start if needed
[03:29] <Kyral> Yah
[03:29] <Kyral> quite effective if you ask me
[03:30] <Kyral> best part is that it works even if you custom compile
[03:30] <Yagisan> Kyral: I like that idea too, but I don't want gcc on my "secure" boxes
[03:30] <Kyral> "Secure"?
[03:30] <MrFaber> hi all again :)
[03:30] <Kyral> You mean like servers?
[03:30] <Kyral> Ack!
[03:31] <Kyral> I have a meeting at 10, and I haven't gotten breakfast yet!!
[03:31] <MrFaber> When loop-aes-source gets fixed?
[03:31] <Yagisan> Kyral: servers, firewalls, hardened desktops
[03:31] <MrFaber> Dapper should has been release already without the new release termin and the bug is reported since a long, long time
[03:31] <Yagisan> MrFaber: why do you need that ?
[03:32] <MrFaber> Not this discussion again please :)
[03:32] <MrFaber> For encryption
[03:32] <Yagisan> MrFaber: IIRC it was a kernel patch wasn't it ?
[03:32] <Kyral> It allows use of the AES algorithm for encrypted loop devices
[03:32] <Kyral> or encrypted partions
[03:32] <MrFaber> I always need the Debian sid loop-aes-source package in dapper
[03:32] <MrFaber> Yagisan: it is a module
[03:32] <Kyral> I thought it was part of the Kernel....
[03:33] <Yagisan> yes, but I use dmcrypt for that
[03:33] <MrFaber> Yagisan: and could be created with the module-assistant, at least in Breezy
[03:33] <Yagisan> MrFaber: I thought it was depreciated in favour of dmcrypt
[03:33] <Kyral> Its a module option...at least in 2.6.16
[03:33] <Gunooby> Hi all
[03:33] <MrFaber> Yagisan: but the package is in Dapper universe
[03:33] <Kyral> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep AES
[03:33] <MrFaber> Yagisan: And I like it more then dm-crypt
[03:34] <Gunooby> I would like to test a latest upstream release package!
[03:34] <Kyral> anyway...lunch
[03:34] <Gunooby> Can some one tell me the procedure...
[03:34] <MrFaber> And the fix is easy if someone could upload the new minor version
[03:34] <Yagisan> MrFaber: yeah, we have a lot of patches in universe that we can't use
[03:35] <MrFaber> Or what is with packages like Krusader what wasn't updated after Breezy, but this isn't that problem :(
[03:35] <Yagisan> Gunooby: usually they have instructions. Make a system backup in case it goes horribly wrong.
[03:35] <MrFaber> I need my loop-aes and to use a debian sid package isn't that solution for a stable release
[03:36] <Yagisan> MrFaber: well, have you submittted an UVF exception request
[03:36] <MrFaber> a bug report is there
[03:36] <MrFaber> But I have no clue how
[03:36] <Gunooby> Yagisan: Tested on my PC! Would like to test it on others for deps etc
[03:36] <MrFaber> It is hard enough in launchpad to find a bug imho
[03:37] <Yagisan> MrFaber: I agree.
[03:38] <MrFaber> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/30230
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[03:38] <MrFaber> thats the bug
[03:39] <MrFaber> And I have spoken with the debian maintainer but he can't do anything since it works in newest releases
[03:40] <zul> MrFaber: I might have a look at it tonight, please add me to the bug.
[03:40] <Yagisan> MrFaber: here we go. UVF exception process https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/UVFStatus
[03:40] <MrFaber> zul: how?
[03:40] <MrFaber> thx
[03:41] <Yagisan> MrFaber: should be approved, as you said it fixes the bug (but, not being a MOTU, I can't guarantee that)
[03:41] <MrFaber> zul which mail?
[03:41] <MrFaber> zul "Subscribe someone else to the bug report"?
[03:44] <MrFaber> Yagisan: diffstat of the upstream tarballs don't know how to do it :)
[03:45] <zul> MrFaber: zulcss@gmail.com
[03:46] <MrFaber> thx, I am going to add you
[03:46] <MrFaber> zul: no error so it should have worked but I see no result :)
[03:47] <zul> ok..
[03:49] <G0SUB_> whis are your favourite options for creating a source package with dpkg-buildpackage?
[03:49] <G0SUB_> which
[03:52] <Hobbsee> G0SUB_: dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -kyourkeyhere
[03:52] <G0SUB_> hmm, ok
[03:52] <Hobbsee> -S -sa is the bit needed for the sources
[03:53] <G0SUB_> Hobbsee: but for some strange reasons, it's not generating the orig.tar.gz & the diff.gz
[03:54] <Hobbsee> G0SUB_: is the folder named sourcename-version?
[03:54] <G0SUB_> yes
[03:54] <StevenK> It drops a _source.changes and related files in .. which I can upload right after testing.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i thought you had to create the .orig.tar.gz yourself...
[03:54] <Hobbsee> StevenK: that's true
[03:54] <G0SUB_> Hobbsee: nope
[03:55] <Mithrandir> ouch
[03:55] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:56] <StevenK> Well, you didn't have to jump on me elbows first.
[04:01] <Yagisan> MrFaber: after you make the patch, run diffstat patch
[04:01] <MrFaber> Yagisan: I haven't run any patch I just have used debian sid package
[04:02] <MrFaber> Yagisan: I am happy that I can create debian packages from sources but that is all :)
[04:02] <Yagisan> MrFaber: you need to debdiff the ubuntu & debian packages
[04:02] <MrFaber> And that not always
[04:02] <MrFaber> ok, I am going to try it
[04:05] <MrFaber> Yagisan: is there any howto for that
[04:05] <MrFaber> no debdiff result in wiki.ubuntu.com
[04:05] <MrFaber> I have it an run it but gives me no real interesting result :)
[04:09] <Yagisan> MrFaber: I'd run it like this. debdiff oldfoo.dsc newfoo.dsc > newfoo.debdiff && diffstat newfoo.debdiff > newfoo.diffstat
[04:10] <MrFaber> how I got this dsc file :)
[04:11] <Yagisan> MrFaber: apt-get source foo
[04:11] <MrFaber> ah ok
[04:23] <zul> MrFaber: which bug is this again?
[04:23] <zul> for the loop-aes
[04:27] <MrFaber> zul yes
[04:35] <Gloubiboulga> could anyone review gnome-translate: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2266 ?
[05:04] <Gloubiboulga> ++
[05:29] <ivoks> dholbach: lol, you nailed brltty :)
[05:29] <dholbach> nailed? :)
[05:29] <ivoks> dholbach: but, you have a bug
[05:30] <ivoks> it will not stop allready running brltty
[05:30] <dholbach> i had to be quick about it... so it didn't delay beta release
[05:30] <ivoks> hehe
[05:30] <dholbach> I can't start killing random processes in a postinst :)
[05:30] <ivoks> i have a diff on init.d/brltty, if you are interested :)
[05:31] <dholbach> I'm not sure we'll add that - I'd rather prefer to fix it than kill it/stop it
[05:31] <ivoks> your upload obsolets my also_quick_and_dirty_fix
[05:31] <dholbach> this was just a quick fix for beta, ... as I said
[05:31] <ivoks> i had exit 0 in start function :)
[05:31] <dholbach> there's a fix in Debian to make it use udev
[05:31] <ivoks> that's great
[05:31] <dholbach> which might help too
[05:31] <dholbach> so it doesn't try to detect madly (that's where it lost memory on the way)
[05:32] <dholbach> at least that's as much as I gathered from the discussions
[05:33] <ivoks> anyway... nice that brltty doesn't start by default
[05:34] <ivoks> it's not a program 99% of ubuntu users need, but i agree we have to make it work for other 1%
[05:36] <dholbach> yeah
[05:36] <ivoks> ok, stop it..
[05:36] <ivoks> what will my g/f say :)
[05:36] <joelbryan> hello, what program is that? ivoks
[05:36] <ivoks> joelbryan: brltty
[05:37] <ivoks> time to go home, finally
[05:37] <ivoks> dholbach: do you have any info will now, after RC, archive managers sync some packages from debian?
[05:37] <ivoks> dholbach: i would like to have libetpan asap, since i have to rebuild 2 apps with it
[05:37] <joelbryan> how do I make a package?, I'm trying to create a deb for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport
[05:38] <dholbach> ivoks: you subscribed them to the bugs?
[05:38] <ivoks> yes
[05:38] <ivoks> but i saw i'm not the only one pending...
[05:38] <ivoks> i guess they didn't want to change anything beefore RC
[05:39] <ivoks> joelbryan: i would love to help you, but i'm on the edge... didn't eat anything today, but smoked half a pack of cigaretts :/
[05:40] <ivoks> so, i'll leave now :)
[05:40] <joelbryan> hehe, me too, 1/2 red
[05:40] <ivoks> bye all
[05:40] <joelbryan> thanks ivoks :-)
[05:41] <sivang> joelbryan: is it a python app?
[05:41] <sivang> joelbryan: do you try to push it into dapper btw?
[05:42] <joelbryan> sivang: yes, mark changed it's priority to high
[05:42] <joelbryan> sivang: nope, it's C and perl
[05:43] <sivang> joelbryan: ah, I see. does it fire up xchat or something at the right channel?
[05:43] <joelbryan> sivang: it use gaim's irc
[05:44] <sivang> joelbryan: nice. already stable and ready for main then?
[05:44] <sivang> (I might try o help you pull up a package, cdbs can be much help if you used standrad gnu autofoo tools)
[05:44] <joelbryan> yep, but still have to find the right regular expression on capturing NOTICE sent by nickserv
[05:45] <joelbryan> checking nick's availability only works when a user is currently using the nick.
[05:45] <joelbryan> I need that ultimate regex to solve the problem.
[05:46] <sivang> I'd say you need to query freenode's nick somehow
[05:46] <sivang> rather
[05:46] <sivang> since regex will be of no help if the user is not logged in under the nick
[05:46] <sivang> at least, for registered uses, that is
[05:47] <joelbryan> sivang: I use standard autotools, everything is basic, including perl's modules, which only have IO::Socket, not Net::IRC
[05:47] <sivang> joelbryan: those are standard perl modules?
[05:48] <joelbryan> sivang: yes, currently it only catch 320, which is generated if a user is only online.
[05:49] <joelbryan> else if not, it would print that the nick is available
[05:49] <joelbryan> sivang: the work would be 50% more easier if Net::IRC is included.
[05:49] <joelbryan> Net::IRC isn't standard in perl.
[05:51] <joelbryan> it uses bare IO::Socket, and connets through tcp, which is very hackish
[05:56] <sivang> joelbryan: to query freenode's db?
[05:56] <joelbryan> sivang: how can you make a certain universe package to be included in main. say example, libnet-irc-perl
[05:59] <joelbryan> sivang: yes, I use IO::Socket, to query freenode, whew! and it's very low level!!
[06:01] <sivang> joelbryan: well, I'm afraid it's too late now, as we're already an UVF/FF for ages. but you could have this included in universe for wide testing and bug fixing and try to push it into dapper+1. I am also working on a goal, that will not get included into main at this stage. (HomeUserBackup)
[06:01] <sivang> joelbryan: however, it might be worthwhile to ask for a big expection, if this is soemthign very small, very stable and easy to fix if things go rough. dunno
[06:02] <joelbryan> sivang: it's really easy to fix, with the correct regex.
[06:04] <sivang> joelbryan: try to ask on u-devel, AFAICT this is the right place to ask about this.
[06:04] <sivang> joelbryan: I'll ping you when I'll have time to help, possibly tomorrow
[06:04] <joelbryan> thanks
[06:04] <sivang> np :)
[06:08] <joelbryan> Hello Seveas!
[06:09] <Seveas> hi joelbryan
[06:10] <joelbryan> Seveas: I made some changes in ULCS,
[06:10] <Seveas> ah
[06:10] <Seveas> joelbryan, btw: I told sabdfl about ulcs and he thinks it's a killer feature for edgy 
[06:11] <joelbryan> Seveas: wow, he emailed me
[06:11] <joelbryan> Seveas: I got an automated registration system
[06:12] <Seveas> cool
[06:12] <hmrocha> hello
[06:12] <Seveas> I'll have a look at the code soon
[06:12] <hmrocha> how is responsible for packaging the nfs utilities?
[06:12] <hmrocha> i think they have a problem
[06:12] <hmrocha> i'm using 5.10 and i get "nfs warning: mount version older than kernel"
[06:13] <hmrocha> i think this shouldn't happen
[06:13] <Seveas> hmrocha, make sure your mount, nfs-client and nfs-kernel-server are up to date
[06:13] <hmrocha> i'm not using nfs-kernel-server because the server is a centos 4.3
[06:13] <hmrocha> 5.10 is only the client
[06:14] <hmrocha> and i'm using autofs
[06:14] <hmrocha> and i have all packages updated
[06:14] <joelbryan> Seveas: btw, when did you told sabdfl about it?
[06:14] <Seveas> then it's not unusual to get this, if nothing is failing you can ignore it
[06:14] <Seveas> joelbryan, CC meeting 2 weeks ago
[06:15] <hmrocha> but something is failing, and i don't know if it's the ubuntu client or the centos server
[06:15] <hmrocha> i get "nfs: server foobar not responding, still trying", on the client
[06:16] <hmrocha> but it appears that everything is working perfectly on the server
[06:25] <spacey> hmrocha: check if the client tries to mount the right server address/path
[06:26] <hmrocha> yes it does
[06:26] <spacey> i had the same problem today
[06:26] <hmrocha> it mounts and it works, but its very, very very slow
[06:26] <spacey> which i solved by making the client mount nfs with tcp instead of udp
[06:26] <spacey> hmrocha: portmap problem?
[06:27] <spacey> in our case it didn't work at all
[06:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[06:29] <hmrocha> spacey: i hope not, it's running, but i'll try restarting it
[06:30] <spacey> hmrocha: in my case we use ltsp 4.1 not ubuntu ltsp btw
[06:31] <hmrocha> ltsp?
[06:31] <hmrocha> what's that?
[06:31] <spacey> ah
[06:31] <spacey> nevermind ;p
[06:31] <spacey> thin client
[06:31] <bddebian> Linux Terminal Server Project iirc
[06:31] <spacey> which mounts root nfs file system
[06:31] <spacey> ;p
[06:31] <hmrocha> that's not what we use here
[06:31] <spacey> ah yeah i misunderstood
[06:31] <spacey> im to much into thin clientness ;p
[06:31] <spacey> atm :)
[06:31] <hmrocha> we use a proprietary system to upload linux/windows to the students computers
[06:32] <hmrocha> a student turns on a computer and is asked if he wants linux/windows
[06:33] <hmrocha> he chooses ubuntu linux and then the linux partition's content is compared to the cache partition
[06:33] <hmrocha> the cache partition uses a proprietary filesystem that used unpartitioned disk space
[06:33] <hmrocha> if the content is the same, it just boots
[06:34] <hmrocha> if it isn't it synchronizes the content of the cache partition with the linux partition and then boots
[06:34] <hmrocha> the home partition of the ubuntu linux that is uploaded to the computer is obviously nfs mounted so that the students can have theirs files in all computers they logon
[06:35] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:35] <hmrocha> it's something more advanced than thin clients
[06:35] <ogra> its thick client network booting with a networked grub ;)
[06:36] <hmrocha> ogra: yes, something like that but much more advanced :D
[06:36] <ogra> i was pondering to add a network grub setup to our ltsp
[06:36] <hmrocha> we don't use network grub
[06:36] <ogra> it does the same just not with gui like the proprietary solutions i know
[06:36] <hmrocha> neither thin clients, since all processing is done in the clients
[06:36] <ogra> yes, thats a so called thick client ;)
[06:37] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[07:51] <webwolf_27> not much going on here
[07:51] <dholbach> bye guys - happy ubuntu beta partying!
[07:53] <jpatrick> where's that beer?
[07:56] <dholbach> Europe/Berlin :)
[08:00] <sladen> Europe/Barcelona anyone?
[08:00] <lucas> Europe/France/Grenoble anyone ? :-)
[08:01] <jpatrick> sladen: me
[08:01] <LaserJock> hmm, how about Reno, NV, USA?
[08:02] <hub> anything in Ottawa?
[08:03] <zul> dont think so
[08:04] <LaserJock> yeah, North America needs some more coverage, these Europeans get to have all the fun ;-)
[08:05] <ogra> come over :)
[08:05] <LaserJock> hmm, raphink almost had me convinced to go over there, but I just can't afford it
[08:07] <jpatrick> LaserJock: I can't afford anything
[08:08] <LaserJock> I'd like to go to one of the dev conferences too, but the chances of it coming somewhere close are pretty slim
[08:12] <zul> montreal was pretty close to me at least ;)
[08:14] <LaserJock> it was on the same continent at least for me
[08:14] <LaserJock> but I didn't make it
[08:40] <jpatrick> sladen: still around?
[08:40] <hub> zul: you went to UBZ?
[08:40] <jpatrick> oh, too late
[08:43] <webwolf_27> nuernberg germany
[08:50] <zul> hub: yep...just for the first day though i had tickets to the sens game the next day
[08:50] <hub> zul: we probably met then. I was there
[08:50] <hub> I was in Mtl at that time
[08:51] <zul> hub: could be...i might not remember because I met alot of people ;)
[08:51] <hub> yeah
[09:07] <hyakuhei> wb TheMuso
[10:58] <cbx33> i i know a bug isnt a bug can someone close the bug report?
[10:58] <carthik> cbx33, which one?
[10:59] <cbx33> 23647
[10:59] <carthik> cbx33, you can close it too, click on the link that is the package description in the bug report...
[10:59] <cbx33> ok
[10:59] <cbx33> change to rejected?
[10:59] <FunnyLookinHat> When I installed network-manager-gnome and it's dependencies and rebooted with the new ubuntu beta, it gave me an error when I logged in saying network-manager was missing necesary resources or something like that.  this a known bug?
[11:00] <cbx33> carthik, there's no closed....do i choose rejected?
[11:01] <carthik> cbx33, yes, but maybe the reporter thinks it is a bug that needs fixing. just leave a message asking the reporter to reopen it stating the case if required.
[11:14] <FunnyLookinHat> No ideas?