=== eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1101.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:22] msg nickserv identify iheartmatt [12:22] fuck [12:22] lol [12:22] opps [12:22] grr [12:22] lol [12:22] eDRUcated: :) [12:22] should I register? [12:22] yes [12:22] lol [12:22] it is worth it [12:23] i keep forgetings though [12:23] lol [12:23] grr [12:23] I hope you ONLY use this p/w for nickserv [12:23] i do [12:23] why do you ask [12:24] yeah, because otherwise I could read your mail now [12:24] what mail [12:24] 00:22 < eDRUcated> msg nickserv identify iheartmatt [12:24] so [12:24] that is not my email pass [12:24] if you used the same pw for your mail, I could read your mail [12:24] silly [12:25] lol [12:25] what is my email then silly [12:25] I mean, I could login to your webmail for e.g. with that password [12:25] e.g. ??? === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu [12:28] she makes me angry [12:28] opps [12:28] wrong box [12:28] bad day [12:28] wow [12:28] lol [12:29] help === pygi [n=zlatko@213.149.62.37] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] eDRUcated: what help do you need? [12:31] i need to change that pass [12:31] i feel odd now [12:31] lol [12:32] /msg NickServ help [12:33] that does nto helo [12:33] help [12:33] grr [12:35] i need an admin here [12:35] HELP [12:35] why? [12:36] just du /msg NickServ Drop [12:36] and then register again with the new password [12:36] ok [12:39] eDRUcated: worked? [12:39] i need to register now [12:40] i dont remember [12:40] lol [12:40] /ns HELP SET PASSWORD [12:40] ^^ you can also type this [12:40] so nobody can register your nick while it's unregistered [12:41] eDRUcated: if you already dropped your nick [12:41] type //ns REGISTER password email@addre.ss [12:41] eDRUcated: you need to type those kinds of things in a server console or something [12:41] ok [12:41] lol [12:41] i forgot [12:42] lol [12:42] i am in a manic mode today [12:42] wow [12:42] lol [12:42] /ns REGISTER password email@email.com [12:42] i am goingto go lay down === eDRUcated [n=drubear@unaffiliated/edrucated] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #edubuntu === Xaero_Vincent [n=vincent1@65.167.71.105] has joined #edubuntu === Xaero_Vincent [n=vincent1@65.167.71.105] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === superseth [n=smarinel@pcp021928pcs.dhcp.calpoly.edu] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === pygi [n=zlatko@213.149.62.37] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === noch [n=ride4tay@909utowers.synergydsl.com] has joined #edubuntu [03:35] hey is someone awake? [03:37] noch: barely :) === noch [n=ride4tay@909utowers.synergydsl.com] has left #edubuntu [] === LaserJock_away is now known as LaserJock === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === eDRUcated [n=drubear@ppp1215.midmich.net] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@lns-bzn-50f-81-56-207-189.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === HedgeMage [i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has joined #edubuntu [07:21] Hey, folks... just got back from the first meeting of the new FOSS user group in town, and it seems our first activity will be an Edubuntu install/orientation day :) (Only two people, but still, it'll be fun.) === LaserJock is now known as LaserJock_away === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [07:25] hey, highvoltage you just missed: [07:25] Hey, folks... just got back from the first meeting of the new FOSS user group in town, and it seems our first activity will be an Edubuntu install/orientation day :) (Only two people, but still, it'll be fun.) === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [07:25] heh. kewl. [07:26] I have a little too much energy tonight, so beware. [07:26] :) [07:26] great! [07:26] it's a good change from the mopey half-asleep-half-alive people i have to deal with daily! [07:27] lol [07:27] I'm usually one of those [07:27] but I *finally* caught up on sleep today, and I'm really glad that meeting was a success. [07:28] That, and someone gave me blueberry bread and triple-chocolate ice cream. [07:28] be afraid, be very afraid. :P [07:28] :) === highvoltage hides [07:28] xhehe === superseth [n=smarinel@24-205-231-12.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:29] hi superseth === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] ogra: ping [08:47] good morning [08:47] hi JaneW, spacey [08:48] tonight OS Cafe! yay :) [08:49] OS cafe? [08:49] open source cafe :p [08:49] drinks & talks === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [08:49] http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/ [08:49] http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=198 [08:52] must be nice:) === HedgeMage looks [08:57] should searching on the proto edubuntu site cause an access denied message? [08:57] cbx33: probably not :p [08:57] heh [08:57] anyone know where the docs are for ltsp on dapper in edubuntu? [08:58] cbx33: https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu-website/+bugs [08:58] file a bug :) [08:58] will do [08:59] spacey: ahh, neat... sorry to hear about your school's haphazard approach to Linux stuff... I hope the place I applied for a job at is better :) [08:59] they did get some SUN machinary now [09:00] so at least its unix [09:00] they also use some linux [09:00] but its only like 1 or 2 months [09:00] of the four years you study there [09:01] spacey: that sux [09:01] and then you don't even get to know it properly, just apt-get install apache en put online a php website === HedgeMage nods to spacey [09:01] cbx33: they call the study software engineering [09:01] I'm teaching linux to some kids at my secondary school in the UK [09:01] cbx33: cool [09:02] I'm the IT manager there [09:02] great :) [09:02] just starting to try to roll out ltsp, the members of youth LUG all had xen machines before :D [09:02] :) [09:06] ogra: around yet? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:17] Hi Yagisan [09:17] was hoping you'd turn up [09:17] ltsp in dapper [09:17] G'day cbx33 [09:17] how do we set it up [09:17] where' the the howto [09:17] :p [09:18] ah. Not yet written. Straight (k)ubuntu or edubuntu ? [09:18] edubuntu [09:18] are you writing it? [09:18] IIRC edubuntu sets it up on install [09:18] but it's not running [09:18] cbx33: I write documentation occasionally [09:18] cos there's no tftp service running at the moment [09:19] I may give it a bash [09:19] once i figure out what to do [09:19] :p [09:19] cbx33: here's a draft (only a draft) one of the Edubuntu Cookbook people just finished http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted [09:19] JonathanCarter did that one ^^^^^^ [09:19] it's just a draft, though, according to the page. [09:20] cbx33: for edubuntu did you do a "workstation" or server install (I should let you know, I last installed edubuntu @ the breezy release, so the name may have changed) [09:20] G'day HedgeMage [09:21] hi Yagisan :) [09:21] how's life? [09:21] HedgeMage: not going to plan :( [09:22] awwww :( [09:22] i did a "normal" install === Yagisan had a big unexpected expense pop up, that means, either more customers, or second job is needed fast [09:22] awww === HedgeMage hugs Yagisan [09:22] I hate when that happens [09:23] Yagisan: I nko the feeling [09:23] we went through our finances last night [09:23] and created an expense category called splurge [09:23] the splurge category was far toooo high [09:23] :( [09:24] I'm pretty careful with our money, but I have to be. [09:24] We want to buy a house but at the mo there's no chance [09:24] we're renting at the mo [09:24] HedgeMage: I need to ship 4 people O/S for 4 weeks, ASAP [09:24] cbx33: yeah, but I blew my savings paying medical and living costs for my wife after her injury giving birth [09:24] cbx33: me too. it sucks big time. [09:24] Yagisan: ouch [09:24] it does indeed [09:24] my wife and i were both made redundant a month before we got married [09:24] bang went the savings [09:25] cbx33: that was me two years ago. Built it back up, then, all gone again. [09:26] cbx33: you get any notice ? [09:26] i got a month [09:26] but my wife only got a week [09:26] cos they never gave her a proper contract...which we'd been bugging for for bloody ages [09:26] we think they planned it all along [09:26] :( [09:26] to drop us just before the 12 months came up when they would have had to give us redundancy pay [09:27] hubby's in the army... it's harder to get out than to stay in :P [09:27] HedgeMage: true [09:28] cbx33: do you clients boot ? I'm looking at my server and tftp isn't a daemon service here === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-19-190-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [09:30] o it;s under inetd [09:30] back in a mo [09:31] hmm, that's annoying when that happens [09:33] cbx33: the clients should just boot fine. If you have more then about 40 clients on the box, I'd consider daemonising tftp, otherwise, inetd is fine === Yagisan has just submitted a new uni application [09:35] I hope it turns out better then the last one did. [09:35] good luck! [09:37] HedgeMage: last one was odd. I was punished with failure because I asked questions, like, explain this [09:38] HedgeMage: yet, students that were blatantly cheating passed (their assignments can be found via google groups) === Yagisan doesn't feel value for money [09:39] Yagisan: no big surprise there... many so-called educational institutions are more about preserving the status quo than anything else [09:42] HedgeMage: I only need a degree for 1 reason. It secures my right to work in Japan. [09:43] HedgeMage: I try to pick something that interests me, but teachers aren't interested in teaching external students :( [09:47] cbx33: how did you go ? [09:47] Yagisan: I know how you feel [09:51] thanks HedgeMage. How did you come by your nick ? [09:54] Yagisan: how did I go? - with ltsp? [09:55] In old legends and lore, a "hedge mage" is a magic user who lacks the formal training of a "proper" wizard. Hedge mages learn primarily through experience, trial and error, and so on. It seemed to fit how I've learned most things, especially WRT computers, programming, etc. [09:55] cbx33: yes, ltsp. [09:56] HedgeMage: mine was simple. My wife called me Yagisan, then her family started calling me Yagisan. [09:57] hehe :) [09:57] It was because I sometimes look like, and act like, a certain large, stubborn animal [10:00] heheh [10:00] Yagisan: you.....never... [10:00] mine stems from a sounterstrike alias [10:01] cutterbomb [10:01] Yagisan: in an ltsp setup, what needs to be present to allow the nfs access [10:02] it just needs reverse dns doesn;t it [10:02] cbx33: /etc/exports [10:02] cbx33: no dns needed [10:02] yes that's setup fine to allow all hosts [10:02] I'm getting an access denied when my client tries to access the nfs root [10:03] does nfs log to anywhere in edubuntu? [10:03] thats odd [10:03] well I'm not using the built in DHCP [10:03] I'm using an alternative [10:04] cbx33: /var/log/messages [10:05] nope nothing in there [10:05] you sure? [10:05] cbx33: why not use the built in dhcp ? that is the only supported configuration IIRC === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [10:05] no, you can do it with another dhcp [10:05] I already have a dhcp running on the system [10:05] that has quite a detailied setup [10:05] cbx33: jamie@doomguy:~/deng-svn/deng$ cat /var/log/messages |grep nfs [10:05] Apr 21 14:45:04 doomguy kernel: [232373.226366] nfsd: last server has exited [10:07] hmmm just tried manually mounting the nfs root and there's no issue [10:08] cbx33: of course you can use other dhcp, you do lose the tight integration though. Your dhcp set up ok for nfs ? [10:08] no typos ? [10:09] Yagisan: what needs to be changed? [10:09] in the dhcp [10:12] Yagisan: I'm not seeing any logs in nfs [10:12] */in/for [10:13] sorry mate, I'm sorta not here. My son is sick [10:13] sorry Yagisan, you go take care of your son [10:13] I'm ok here :p [10:16] Okay, I'm *really* going to bed this time [10:16] ttyal [10:19] nn HedgeMage [10:56] cbx33: I once did it with custom dhcp but I don't have the config anymore [10:56] well the only problem Im having is with mounting the nfs root [10:56] cbx33: just look into /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and copy&paste the values you don't have [10:56] i can mount it manually from the busybox shell [10:57] it just won't do it during booting [10:58] has the dhcpserver the same ip as the nfs? [10:59] cbx33: you are on dapper? [11:02] yes [11:02] I'm on dapper [11:03] but the dchp is not the same as the nfs [11:03] is that the issue? [11:03] is it trying to load the nfs root from my already established dhcp server? [11:03] hm, I think you need to set a next-server ___IPofNFS___; [11:03] cbx33: yes [11:03] please tell me I can do that on a windows dhcp server [11:03] :p [11:03] lol === cbx33 bangs his head against a wall [11:04] why don't you use a windows dhcp server? [11:04] ehm I mean linux :) === lucasvo get's confuses when he hears windows :) [11:05] next-server 192.168.27.1; [11:05] ^^ on linus [11:09] I'll check it out on the windows machine [11:13] it's set correctly already [11:15] ok looks like I need to set the 017 option [11:15] rootpath [11:15] /ltsproot in this howto [11:16] frack - I don;t think it can actually do it [11:16] option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; [11:16] hmm...that's not gonna work is it [11:16] filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0"; [11:16] cos it won;t know how to setup the nfs [11:17] why? [11:17] where is it specified that the rootpath is an nfs mount? [11:19] what do you mean? [11:21] well how does it know that you should use nfs for the root path [11:21] is that just a giv..e...n.......w00t...hold on.....it could be working [11:21] woooooooooooooooooooooooowheeeeeeeeeeeeeee [11:22] yeah, well, if you move /opt/ltsp to /ltsp you would have to change it ;) [11:29] no no [11:30] i didn;t move anything....it was another option i had to set [11:30] right brb === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [11:45] w000t...i have a working client :D [11:55] cbx33: what did you have to set? [11:56] that root path option I'm going to document it now.... [11:56] where abouts shall I document it on the wiki [11:56] cbx33: please write it into the wiki === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [11:57] cbx33: here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup [11:59] t's locked I can't edit it [11:59] ok, then make a new document and ask ogra to link it [11:59] kk [12:00] LTSPdifferentDHCP [12:00] or I don't know [12:00] ogra: ping [12:00] I am not allowed to edit this page [12:00] don;t think he's around yet :p [12:00] cbx33: you need to login [12:00] with your launchpad account [12:00] ahh..where? [12:01] no nevermind [12:01] I'm being stupid [12:02] ok I'm going to make a new page, and get ogra to link it in [12:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences [12:02] am I blind or is there a Login link missing in the edubuntu teme? [12:03] sorry i'm just trying to debug evolution, that has prio (need my mail) [12:03] lol, see, evolution sucks :) [12:03] ooooh don;t tick Mr ogra off :p [12:03] I've never had that problems with thunderbird [12:04] I am only ticking his programms off :) [12:04] ogra: what's the problem with evolution? [12:05] it segfaults silently === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:05] lol === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [12:06] hi highvoltage [12:11] hi cbx33 [12:11] hi highvoltage [12:12] hi lucasvo === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@12.Red-83-58-173.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPWindowsDHCP [12:30] how does that look ? [12:31] put an: "sudo apt-get remove dhcp3-server" at the top ;) to make sure the user cannot just run them both (which will cause a lot of support) [12:31] else thats very good :) [12:32] ok, i could go the whole hog with screen shots etc, but I don;t think that's necessary [12:33] well, its windows ... :) [12:34] oh, btw, put that below EdubuntuDocumentation ... we share one wiki database with ubuntu,xubuntu,ubuntu [12:35] so putting it there will make sure its edubuntu documentation :) [12:36] ogra: I'm not sure I follow? [12:36] sorry....having a blonde moment,. - I did just get blonde highlights....could explain it [12:37] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation [12:37] I'm going to work on the etherboot setup too, because that's what we'll use here [12:37] have a look there [12:37] i'll move the other docs there as well before release [12:38] ok done [12:39] nope, not done.....do you just want a link to my doc at the bottom? [12:39] or move the page to there? [12:40] sorry ogra I know you're busy [12:40] move the page if possible [12:41] ok...I'll delete the old one [12:43] ok, all sorted [12:43] I put it as a draft === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [01:04] right.... === cbx33 turns his attention to etherboot [01:07] dont put to much effort in it [01:07] it will be automated in eft [01:08] yes, I know, but I need to use etherboot here [01:08] :Dp [01:08] our machines are going to be dual boot [01:08] windows/ubuntu [01:08] i was gonna setup grub with the boot without PXE system so they could choose windows or ubuntu [01:09] unless you can think of another way? [01:09] there is a "network grub" version [01:10] i never tried it [01:10] oh? [01:10] i was gonna install the floppy disk stuff onto a small hdd partition and do it that way :p [01:10] but that could be a much easier way to do it [01:10] it operates on PXE level and gives you a bootmenu [01:10] oooh [01:10] could be good [01:10] got a link? [01:10] very neat :) [01:10] (server sides, though) [01:11] yeh..that's the only disadvantage [01:12] its somewhere on the syslinux page and there is also documentation in the grub docs afaik [01:12] kk thank ogra === ulinskie [i=0@203.131.132.66] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] cbx33: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPEtherbootSetup [01:14] es reading that now [01:14] there is a zlilo file you can generate [01:14] that's my other option [01:14] I mean this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe [01:14] we should probably crosslink these two :) [01:14] ndeed [01:14] they both need each other ;) [01:15] are you going to link my DHCP page into one of the ltsp server setup docs? [01:15] would it be an idea to put a link into the cookbook? [01:15] under LTSPServerSetup ? [01:15] up to you? [01:16] wherever you feel it's appropriate [01:16] I would put it into LTSPServerSetup === lucasvo will test dapper beta now [01:19] what is ports? [01:23] lucasvo: ubuntu ported to other architectures [01:24] ah, ok [01:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000068.html [01:24] thanks [01:24] yw :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [02:12] ogra: you there? [02:15] yep [02:24] um pxelinux config file [02:24] can i have several options in there? [02:24] anybody could help me with gdb? [02:24] not sure [02:24] like so they can choose thich to boot from [02:24] look into the docs [02:24] I need to debug gimp [02:24] it has a label option [02:24] it crashes all the time [02:24] which makes me think so [02:25] I'll try it [02:25] lucasvo, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Debugging [02:25] and #ubuntu-bugs ;) [02:26] ogra: thanks [02:27] ogra: I'll look into it, could be a nice doc to put up there [02:27] yep [02:27] or even a suggestion to add it to the ltsp defaults ;) [02:28] 40548 [02:28] bug 40548 [02:28] #40548 [02:28] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/40548 [02:28] !bug 40548 [02:28] Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lucasvo [02:29] we don't have ubugtu? [02:29] we dont really need it [02:29] indeed [02:29] (there are less than 10 edubuntu related bugs in LP) [02:29] :D [02:29]