[12:22] <eDRUcated> msg nickserv identify iheartmatt
[12:22] <eDRUcated> fuck
[12:22] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:22] <eDRUcated> opps
[12:22] <eDRUcated> grr
[12:22] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:22] <lucasvo> eDRUcated: :)
[12:22] <lucasvo> should I register?
[12:22] <eDRUcated> yes
[12:22] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:22] <eDRUcated> it is worth it
[12:23] <eDRUcated> i keep forgetings though
[12:23] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:23] <eDRUcated> grr
[12:23] <lucasvo> I hope you ONLY use this p/w for nickserv
[12:23] <eDRUcated> i do
[12:23] <eDRUcated> why do you ask
[12:24] <lucasvo> yeah, because otherwise I could read your mail now
[12:24] <eDRUcated> what mail
[12:24] <lucasvo> 00:22 < eDRUcated> msg nickserv identify iheartmatt
[12:24] <eDRUcated> so
[12:24] <eDRUcated> that is not my email pass
[12:24] <lucasvo> if you used the same pw for your mail, I could read your mail
[12:24] <eDRUcated> silly
[12:25] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:25] <eDRUcated> what is my email then silly
[12:25] <lucasvo> I mean, I could login to your webmail for e.g. with that password
[12:25] <eDRUcated> e.g. ???
[12:28] <eDRUcated> she makes me angry
[12:28] <eDRUcated> opps
[12:28] <eDRUcated> wrong box
[12:28] <eDRUcated> bad day
[12:28] <eDRUcated> wow
[12:28] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:29] <eDRUcated> help
[12:30] <lucasvo> eDRUcated: what help do you need?
[12:31] <eDRUcated> i need to change that pass
[12:31] <eDRUcated> i feel odd now
[12:31] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:32] <lucasvo>  /msg NickServ help
[12:33] <eDRUcated> that does nto helo
[12:33] <eDRUcated> help
[12:33] <eDRUcated> grr
[12:35] <eDRUcated> i need an admin here
[12:35] <eDRUcated> HELP
[12:35] <lucasvo>  why?
[12:36] <lucasvo> just du /msg NickServ Drop
[12:36] <lucasvo> and then register again with the new password
[12:36] <eDRUcated> ok
[12:39] <lucasvo> eDRUcated: worked?
[12:39] <eDRUcated> i need to register now
[12:40] <eDRUcated> i dont remember
[12:40] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:40] <Rondom> /ns HELP SET PASSWORD
[12:40] <Rondom> ^^ you can also type this
[12:40] <Rondom> so nobody can register your nick while it's unregistered
[12:41] <Rondom> eDRUcated: if you already dropped your nick
[12:41] <Rondom> type //ns REGISTER password email@addre.ss
[12:41] <LaserJock> eDRUcated: you need to type those kinds of things in a server console or something
[12:41] <eDRUcated> ok
[12:41] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:41] <eDRUcated> i forgot
[12:42] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:42] <eDRUcated> i am in a manic mode today
[12:42] <eDRUcated> wow
[12:42] <eDRUcated> lol
[12:42] <Rondom> /ns REGISTER password email@email.com
[12:42] <eDRUcated> i am goingto go lay down
[03:35] <noch> hey is someone awake?
[03:37] <bimberi> noch: barely :)
[07:21] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks... just got back from the first meeting of the new FOSS user group in town, and it seems our first activity will be an Edubuntu install/orientation day :)  (Only two people, but still, it'll be fun.)
[07:25] <HedgeMage> hey, highvoltage you just missed:
[07:25] <HedgeMage> Hey, folks... just got back from the first meeting of the new FOSS user group in town, and it seems our first activity will be an Edubuntu install/orientation day :)  (Only two people, but still, it'll be fun.)
[07:25] <highvoltage> heh. kewl.
[07:26] <HedgeMage> I have a little too much energy tonight, so beware.
[07:26] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:26] <highvoltage> great!
[07:26] <highvoltage> it's a good change from the mopey half-asleep-half-alive people i have to deal with daily!
[07:27] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:27] <HedgeMage> I'm usually one of those
[07:27] <HedgeMage> but I *finally* caught up on sleep today, and I'm really glad that meeting was a success.
[07:28] <HedgeMage> That, and someone gave me blueberry bread and triple-chocolate ice cream.
[07:28] <HedgeMage> be afraid, be very afraid. :P
[07:28] <highvoltage> :)
[07:28] <HedgeMage> xhehe
[07:29] <HedgeMage> hi superseth 
[08:37] <JaneW> ogra: ping
[08:47] <spacey> good morning
[08:47] <HedgeMage> hi JaneW, spacey 
[08:48] <spacey> tonight OS Cafe! yay :)
[08:49] <HedgeMage> OS cafe?
[08:49] <spacey> open source cafe :p
[08:49] <spacey> drinks & talks
[08:49] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/
[08:49] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/?p=198
[08:52] <spacey> must be nice:)
[08:57] <cbx33> should searching on the proto edubuntu  site cause an access denied message?
[08:57] <spacey> cbx33: probably not :p
[08:57] <cbx33> heh
[08:57] <cbx33> anyone know where the docs are for ltsp on dapper in edubuntu?
[08:58] <spacey> cbx33: https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu-website/+bugs
[08:58] <spacey> file a bug :)
[08:58] <cbx33> will do
[08:59] <HedgeMage> spacey: ahh, neat... sorry to hear about your school's haphazard approach to Linux stuff... I hope the place I applied for a job at is better :)
[08:59] <spacey> they did get some SUN machinary now
[09:00] <spacey> so at least its unix
[09:00] <spacey> they also use some linux
[09:00] <spacey> but its only like 1 or 2 months
[09:00] <spacey> of the four years you study there
[09:01] <cbx33> spacey: that sux
[09:01] <spacey> and then you don't even get to know it properly, just apt-get install apache en put online a php website
[09:01] <spacey> cbx33: they call the study software engineering
[09:01] <cbx33> I'm teaching linux to some kids at my secondary school in the UK
[09:01] <HedgeMage> cbx33: cool
[09:02] <cbx33> I'm the IT manager there
[09:02] <spacey> great :)
[09:02] <cbx33> just starting to try to roll out ltsp, the members of youth LUG all had xen machines before :D
[09:02] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:06] <cbx33> ogra: around yet?
[09:17] <cbx33> Hi Yagisan 
[09:17] <cbx33> was hoping you'd turn up
[09:17] <cbx33> ltsp in dapper
[09:17] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[09:17] <cbx33> how do we set it up
[09:17] <cbx33> where' the the howto
[09:17] <cbx33> :p
[09:18] <Yagisan> ah. Not yet written. Straight (k)ubuntu or edubuntu ?
[09:18] <cbx33> edubuntu
[09:18] <cbx33> are you writing it?
[09:18] <Yagisan> IIRC edubuntu sets it up on install
[09:18] <cbx33> but it's not running
[09:18] <Yagisan> cbx33: I write documentation occasionally
[09:18] <cbx33> cos there's no tftp service running at the moment
[09:19] <cbx33> I may give it a bash
[09:19] <cbx33> once i figure out what to do
[09:19] <cbx33> :p
[09:19] <HedgeMage> cbx33: here's a draft (only a draft) one of the Edubuntu Cookbook people just finished http://proto.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[09:19] <HedgeMage> JonathanCarter did that one ^^^^^^
[09:19] <HedgeMage> it's just a draft, though, according to the page.
[09:20] <Yagisan> cbx33: for edubuntu did you do a "workstation" or server install (I should let you know, I last installed edubuntu @ the breezy release, so the name may have changed)
[09:20] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage
[09:21] <HedgeMage> hi Yagisan :)
[09:21] <HedgeMage> how's life?
[09:21] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: not going to plan :(
[09:22] <HedgeMage> awwww :(
[09:22] <cbx33> i did a "normal" install
[09:22] <HedgeMage> awww
[09:22] <HedgeMage> I hate when that happens
[09:23] <cbx33> Yagisan: I nko the feeling
[09:23] <cbx33> we went through our finances last night
[09:23] <cbx33> and created an expense category called splurge
[09:23] <cbx33> the splurge category was far toooo high
[09:23] <HedgeMage> :(
[09:24] <HedgeMage> I'm pretty careful with our money, but I have to be.
[09:24] <cbx33> We want to buy a house but at the mo there's no chance
[09:24] <cbx33> we're renting at the mo
[09:24] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I need to ship 4 people O/S for 4 weeks, ASAP
[09:24] <Yagisan> cbx33: yeah, but I blew my savings paying medical and living costs for my wife after her injury giving birth
[09:24] <Yagisan> cbx33: me too. it sucks big time.
[09:24] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: ouch
[09:24] <cbx33> it does indeed
[09:24] <cbx33> my wife and i were both made redundant a month before we got married
[09:24] <cbx33> bang went the savings
[09:25] <Yagisan> cbx33: that was me two years ago. Built it back up, then, all gone again.
[09:26] <Yagisan> cbx33: you get any notice ?
[09:26] <cbx33> i got a month
[09:26] <cbx33> but my wife only got a week
[09:26] <cbx33> cos they never gave her a proper contract...which we'd been bugging for for bloody ages
[09:26] <cbx33> we think they planned it all along
[09:26] <HedgeMage> :(
[09:26] <cbx33> to drop us just before the 12 months came up when they would have had to give us redundancy pay
[09:27] <HedgeMage> hubby's in the army... it's harder to get out than to stay in :P
[09:27] <cbx33> HedgeMage: true
[09:28] <Yagisan> cbx33: do you clients boot ? I'm looking at my server and tftp isn't a daemon service here
[09:30] <cbx33> o it;s under inetd
[09:30] <cbx33> back in a mo
[09:31] <Yagisan> hmm, that's annoying when that happens
[09:33] <Yagisan> cbx33: the clients should just boot fine. If you have more then about 40 clients on the box, I'd consider daemonising tftp, otherwise, inetd is fine
[09:35] <Yagisan> I hope it turns out better then the last one did.
[09:35] <HedgeMage> good luck!
[09:37] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: last one was odd. I was punished with failure because I asked questions, like, explain this
[09:38] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yet, students that were blatantly cheating passed (their assignments can be found via google groups)
[09:39] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: no big surprise there... many so-called educational institutions are more about preserving the status quo than anything else
[09:42] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I only need a degree for 1 reason. It secures my right to work in Japan.
[09:43] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I try to pick something that interests me, but teachers aren't interested in teaching external students :(
[09:47] <Yagisan> cbx33: how did you go ?
[09:47] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I know how you feel
[09:51] <Yagisan> thanks HedgeMage. How did you come by your nick ?
[09:54] <cbx33> Yagisan: how did I go? - with ltsp?
[09:55] <HedgeMage> In old legends and lore, a "hedge mage" is a magic user who lacks the formal training of a "proper" wizard.  Hedge mages learn primarily through experience, trial and error, and so on.  It seemed to fit how I've learned most things, especially WRT computers, programming, etc.
[09:55] <Yagisan> cbx33: yes, ltsp.
[09:56] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: mine was simple. My wife called me Yagisan, then her family started calling me Yagisan.
[09:57] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[09:57] <Yagisan> It was because I sometimes look like, and act like, a certain large, stubborn animal
[10:00] <cbx33> heheh
[10:00] <cbx33> Yagisan: you.....never...
[10:00] <cbx33> mine stems from a sounterstrike alias
[10:01] <cbx33> cutterbomb
[10:01] <cbx33> Yagisan: in an ltsp setup, what needs to be present to allow the nfs access
[10:02] <cbx33> it just needs reverse dns doesn;t it
[10:02] <Yagisan> cbx33: /etc/exports
[10:02] <Yagisan> cbx33: no dns needed
[10:02] <cbx33> yes that's setup fine to allow all hosts
[10:02] <cbx33> I'm getting an access denied when my client tries to access the nfs root
[10:03] <cbx33> does nfs log to anywhere in edubuntu?
[10:03] <Yagisan> thats odd
[10:03] <cbx33> well I'm not using the built in DHCP
[10:03] <cbx33> I'm using an alternative
[10:04] <Yagisan> cbx33: /var/log/messages
[10:05] <cbx33> nope nothing in there
[10:05] <cbx33> you sure?
[10:05] <Yagisan> cbx33: why not use the built in dhcp ? that is the only supported configuration IIRC
[10:05] <cbx33> no, you can do it with another dhcp
[10:05] <cbx33> I already have a dhcp running on the system
[10:05] <cbx33> that has quite a detailied setup
[10:05] <Yagisan> cbx33: jamie@doomguy:~/deng-svn/deng$ cat /var/log/messages |grep nfs
[10:05] <Yagisan> Apr 21 14:45:04 doomguy kernel: [232373.226366]  nfsd: last server has exited
[10:07] <cbx33> hmmm just tried manually mounting the nfs root and there's no issue
[10:08] <Yagisan> cbx33: of course you can use other dhcp, you do lose the tight integration though. Your dhcp set up ok for nfs ?
[10:08] <Yagisan> no typos ?
[10:09] <cbx33> Yagisan: what needs to be changed?
[10:09] <cbx33> in the dhcp
[10:12] <cbx33> Yagisan: I'm not seeing any logs in nfs
[10:12] <cbx33> */in/for
[10:13] <Yagisan> sorry mate, I'm sorta not here. My son is sick
[10:13] <cbx33> sorry Yagisan, you go take care of your son
[10:13] <cbx33> I'm ok here :p
[10:16] <HedgeMage> Okay, I'm *really* going to bed this time
[10:16] <HedgeMage> ttyal
[10:19] <cbx33> nn HedgeMage 
[10:56] <lucasvo> cbx33: I once did it with custom dhcp but I don't have the config anymore
[10:56] <cbx33> well the only problem Im having is with mounting the nfs root
[10:56] <lucasvo> cbx33: just look into /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and copy&paste the values you don't have
[10:56] <cbx33> i can mount it manually from the busybox shell
[10:57] <cbx33> it just won't do it during booting
[10:58] <lucasvo> has the dhcpserver the same ip as the nfs?
[10:59] <lucasvo> cbx33: you are on dapper?
[11:02] <cbx33> yes
[11:02] <cbx33> I'm on dapper
[11:03] <cbx33> but the dchp is not the same as the nfs
[11:03] <cbx33> is that the issue?
[11:03] <cbx33> is it trying to load the nfs root from my already established dhcp server?
[11:03] <lucasvo> hm, I think you need to set a next-server ___IPofNFS___;
[11:03] <lucasvo> cbx33: yes
[11:03] <cbx33> please tell me I can do that on a windows dhcp server
[11:03] <cbx33> :p
[11:03] <lucasvo> lol
[11:04] <lucasvo> why don't you use a windows dhcp server?
[11:04] <lucasvo> ehm I mean linux :)
[11:05] <lucasvo>   next-server 192.168.27.1;
[11:05] <lucasvo> ^^ on linus
[11:09] <cbx33> I'll check it out on the windows machine
[11:13] <cbx33> it's set correctly already
[11:15] <cbx33> ok looks like I need to set the 017 option
[11:15] <cbx33> rootpath
[11:15] <cbx33>  /ltsproot in this howto
[11:16] <cbx33> frack - I don;t think it can actually do it
[11:16] <lucasvo> option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[11:16] <cbx33> hmm...that's not gonna work is it
[11:16] <lucasvo>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[11:16] <cbx33> cos it won;t know how to setup the nfs
[11:17] <lucasvo> why?
[11:17] <cbx33> where is it specified that the rootpath is an nfs mount?
[11:19] <lucasvo> what do you mean?
[11:21] <cbx33> well how does it know that you should use nfs for the root path
[11:21] <cbx33> is that just a giv..e...n.......w00t...hold on.....it could be working
[11:21] <cbx33> woooooooooooooooooooooooowheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[11:22] <lucasvo> yeah, well, if you move /opt/ltsp to /ltsp you would have to change it ;)
[11:29] <cbx33> no no
[11:30] <cbx33> i didn;t move anything....it was another option i had to set
[11:30] <cbx33> right brb
[11:45] <cbx33> w000t...i have a working client :D
[11:55] <lucasvo> cbx33: what did you have to set?
[11:56] <cbx33> that root path option I'm going to document it now....
[11:56] <cbx33> where abouts shall I document it on the wiki
[11:56] <lucasvo> cbx33: please write it into the wiki
[11:57] <lucasvo> cbx33: here: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPServerSetup
[11:59] <cbx33> t's locked I can't edit it 
[11:59] <lucasvo> ok, then make a new document and ask ogra to link it
[11:59] <cbx33> kk
[12:00] <lucasvo> LTSPdifferentDHCP
[12:00] <lucasvo> or I don't know
[12:00] <lucasvo> ogra: ping
[12:00] <cbx33> I am not allowed to edit this page
[12:00] <cbx33> don;t think he's around yet :p
[12:00] <lucasvo> cbx33: you need to login
[12:00] <lucasvo> with your launchpad account
[12:00] <cbx33> ahh..where?
[12:01] <cbx33> no nevermind
[12:01] <cbx33> I'm being stupid
[12:02] <cbx33> ok I'm going to make a new page, and get ogra to link it in
[12:02] <lucasvo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences
[12:02] <lucasvo> am I blind or is there a Login link missing in the edubuntu teme?
[12:03] <ogra> sorry i'm just trying to debug evolution, that has prio (need my mail)
[12:03] <lucasvo> lol, see, evolution sucks :)
[12:03] <cbx33> ooooh don;t tick Mr ogra  off :p
[12:03] <lucasvo> I've never had that problems with thunderbird
[12:04] <lucasvo> I am only ticking his programms off :)
[12:04] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the problem with evolution?
[12:05] <ogra> it segfaults silently
[12:05] <lucasvo> lol
[12:06] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[12:11] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[12:11] <lucasvo> hi highvoltage 
[12:12] <highvoltage> hi lucasvo 
[12:30] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LTSPWindowsDHCP
[12:30] <cbx33> how does that look ?
[12:31] <ogra> put an: "sudo apt-get remove dhcp3-server" at the top ;) to make sure the user cannot just run them both (which will cause a lot of support)
[12:31] <ogra> else thats very good :)
[12:32] <cbx33> ok, i could go the whole hog with screen shots etc, but I don;t think that's necessary
[12:33] <ogra> well, its windows ... :)
[12:34] <ogra> oh, btw, put that below EdubuntuDocumentation ... we share one wiki database with ubuntu,xubuntu,ubuntu
[12:35] <ogra> so putting it there will make sure its edubuntu documentation :)
[12:36] <cbx33> ogra: I'm not sure I follow?
[12:36] <cbx33> sorry....having a blonde moment,. - I did just get blonde highlights....could explain it
[12:37] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[12:37] <cbx33> I'm going to work on the etherboot setup too, because that's what we'll use here
[12:37] <ogra> have a look there 
[12:37] <ogra> i'll move the other docs there as well before release
[12:38] <cbx33> ok done
[12:39] <cbx33> nope, not done.....do you just want a link to my doc at the bottom?
[12:39] <cbx33> or move the page to there?
[12:40] <cbx33> sorry ogra I know you're busy
[12:40] <ogra> move the page if possible 
[12:41] <cbx33> ok...I'll delete the old one
[12:43] <cbx33> ok, all sorted
[12:43] <cbx33> I put it as a draft
[01:04] <cbx33> right....
[01:07] <ogra> dont put to much effort in it 
[01:07] <ogra> it will be automated in eft
[01:08] <cbx33> yes, I know, but I need to use etherboot here
[01:08] <cbx33> :Dp
[01:08] <cbx33> our machines are going to be dual boot
[01:08] <cbx33> windows/ubuntu
[01:08] <cbx33> i was gonna setup grub with the boot without PXE system so they could choose windows or ubuntu
[01:09] <cbx33> unless you can think of another way?
[01:09] <ogra> there is a "network grub" version 
[01:10] <ogra> i never tried it
[01:10] <cbx33> oh?
[01:10] <cbx33> i was gonna install the floppy disk stuff onto a small hdd partition and do it that way :p
[01:10] <cbx33> but that could be a much easier way to do it
[01:10] <ogra> it operates on PXE level and gives you a bootmenu
[01:10] <cbx33> oooh
[01:10] <cbx33> could be good
[01:10] <cbx33> got a link?
[01:10] <lucasvo> very neat :)
[01:10] <ogra> (server sides, though)
[01:11] <cbx33> yeh..that's the only disadvantage
[01:12] <ogra> its somewhere on the syslinux page and there is also documentation in the grub docs afaik
[01:12] <cbx33> kk thank ogra 
[01:13] <lucasvo> cbx33: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPEtherbootSetup
[01:14] <cbx33> es reading that now
[01:14] <lucasvo> there is a zlilo file you can generate
[01:14] <cbx33> that's my other option
[01:14] <lucasvo> I mean this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[01:14] <ogra> we should probably crosslink these two :)
[01:14] <cbx33> ndeed
[01:14] <ogra> they both need each other ;)
[01:15] <cbx33> are you going to link my DHCP page into one of the ltsp server setup docs?
[01:15] <cbx33> would it be an idea to put a link into the cookbook?
[01:15] <ogra> under LTSPServerSetup ?
[01:15] <cbx33> up to you?
[01:16] <cbx33> wherever you feel it's appropriate
[01:16] <lucasvo> I would put it into LTSPServerSetup
[01:19] <lucasvo> what is ports?
[01:23] <bimberi_> lucasvo: ubuntu ported to other architectures
[01:24] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[01:24] <bimberi_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000068.html
[01:24] <lucasvo> thanks
[01:24] <bimberi_> yw :)
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: you there?
[02:15] <ogra> yep
[02:24] <cbx33> um pxelinux config file
[02:24] <cbx33> can i have several options in there?
[02:24] <lucasvo> anybody could help me with gdb?
[02:24] <ogra> not sure
[02:24] <cbx33> like so they can choose thich to boot from
[02:24] <ogra> look into the docs 
[02:24] <lucasvo> I need to debug gimp 
[02:24] <cbx33> it has a label option
[02:24] <lucasvo> it crashes all the time
[02:24] <cbx33> which makes me think so
[02:25] <cbx33> I'll try it
[02:25] <ogra> lucasvo, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Debugging
[02:25] <ogra> and #ubuntu-bugs ;)
[02:26] <lucasvo> ogra: thanks
[02:27] <cbx33> ogra: I'll look into it, could be a nice doc to put up there
[02:27] <ogra> yep
[02:27] <ogra> or even a suggestion to add it to the ltsp defaults ;)
[02:28] <lucasvo> 40548
[02:28] <lucasvo> bug 40548
[02:28] <lucasvo> #40548
[02:28] <lucasvo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/40548
[02:28] <lucasvo> !bug 40548
[02:28] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lucasvo
[02:29] <lucasvo> we don't have ubugtu?
[02:29] <ogra> we dont really need it
[02:29] <cbx33> indeed
[02:29] <ogra> (there are less than 10 edubuntu related bugs in LP)
[02:29] <cbx33> :D
[02:29] <cbx33> wayyy to go :p
[02:29] <ogra> i'm willing to consider it if we hit the 50 bugs mark ;)
[02:30] <lucasvo> cbx33: that's why edubuntu is perfect :)
[02:30] <ogra> haha
[02:30] <ogra> that only means that people dont file enough bugs :)
[02:42] <cbx33> ogra: do we use NBP on the PXElinux
[02:42] <ogra> NBP ?
[02:42] <cbx33> network boot prompt
[02:42] <cbx33> ooh ooh hang on
[02:42] <ogra> nope
[02:48] <cbx33> I've DONE IT 
[02:48] <cbx33> Ok I gotta doc this :D
[02:48] <ogra> :)
[02:48] <ogra> cool
[02:48] <cbx33> can multiboot from linux or localdisk
[02:48] <cbx33> :D
[02:49] <lucasvo> maybe one should begin to combine all the docs about the thinclients
[02:49] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:49] <ogra> lucasvo, thats why i want them under EdubuntuDocumentation
[02:49] <lucasvo> now you have about 5 docs on how to boot your thin clients
[02:49] <lucasvo> ogra: yeah
[02:49] <ogra> we can later create subsections
[02:54] <cbx33> grr just can't get display.msg to work
[02:55] <ogra> if you get it working, try to switch it to gfxboot ;)
[02:55] <ogra> (joking...)
[02:58] <cbx33> I'd love too
[02:58] <cbx33> infact i may just do that....
[02:58] <cbx33> later on of course
[02:58] <cbx33> is there docs on how to administrate the ltsp server yet?
[03:02] <cbx33> ogra: how much work is it to get gfxboot working
[03:02] <lucasvo> waa
[03:02] <ogra> cbx33, thats rather a question for Kamion who implemented it in the CD boot ...
[03:02] <lucasvo> 100ms ping time to google
[03:02] <ogra> i've never seen the gfxboot code, but it comes from suse which might make it not better :)
[03:03] <cbx33> hheheh
[03:03] <cbx33> I know what you mean
[03:03] <cbx33> I'll maybe try that out on monday
[03:03] <cbx33> for now I have a system that works YAY !!!!
[03:03] <cbx33> just need to do the m$ integration into edubuntu now
[03:03] <ogra> ask Kamion, he has a bzr repo of his gfxboot stuff and can point you to the right documentation
[03:03] <cbx33> nice
[03:04] <cbx33> I'll mail him later
[03:15] <lucasvo> cbx33: you are very productive, cool work!
[03:17] <ogra> does anybody mind if i use https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCommunity as the "getting involved" part of the beta announcement ? JaneW, highvoltage ?
[03:20] <lucasvo> ogra: I would add a sentence that says, one can also come to irc channel and ask what to do
[03:20] <ogra> thats what that page says
[03:21] <lucasvo> you mean the whole page?
[03:21] <ogra> its just that we dont have a GettingInvolved wikipage like ubuntu and kubuntu have
[03:21] <lucasvo> I thought, you only mean paragraph 2.
[03:21] <lucasvo> How can I get involved?
[03:21] <ogra> i want to put the link to that page in the announcement 
[03:21] <ogra> yes
[03:22] <lucasvo> ogra: it was a missunderstanding, on the wikipage, there is a paragraph called "How can I get involved?" and I thought you only want to put this one into the mail
[03:22] <ogra> nope
[03:22] <ogra> JaneW, highvoltage... piiing
[03:24] <cbx33> ogra: is this the CC mailiout?
[03:24] <ogra> thats the ubuntu-announce mail
[03:25] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperBetaAnnouncement
[03:31] <cbx33> ah ok
[03:34] <jsgotangco> you haven't sent an annouce email?
[03:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, i have a working evolution since 4h again (after 2 days of not being able to use it through a looping segfault)
[03:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:49] <cbx33> ogra: how can I include screenshots in my wiki page
[03:49] <ogra> sure, why not ? :)
[03:50] <cbx33> I menat how?
[03:50] <cbx33> :p
[03:50] <highvoltage> ogra: hi
[03:50] <highvoltage> i'm on my way out
[03:50] <cbx33> do i have to host them?
[03:50] <highvoltage> ogra: JaneW is painting eggs :)
[03:50] <highvoltage> (small office party thing)
[03:50] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/LTSPMultiboot
[03:51] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that's too late for easter though, and highly ambiguous for earth day
[03:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: :)
[03:51] <highvoltage> ogra: pooong?
[03:52] <ogra> highvoltage, see my question
[03:52] <ogra> cbx33, doesnt that system offer a "default" setting as well ? so you can get rid of the prompt and have a timeout ? 
[03:53] <cbx33> the default system is documented
[03:53] <cbx33> in the doc
[03:53] <cbx33> oh
[03:53] <cbx33> yes
[03:53] <cbx33> yes...it documents about the time out
[03:54] <cbx33> but it didn;t like defaulting to the LOCALBOOT 0 line
[03:54] <cbx33> so i had to creat two stanza
[03:56] <highvoltage> ogra: yep
[03:56] <ogra> highvoltage, thanks 
[03:57] <ogra> will wrap some text around it and then the announcement is ready for correction ...
[03:57] <highvoltage> nice
[03:57] <highvoltage> ok, bye! have a good weekend, edubuntu land!
[03:57] <ogra> ciao 
[03:58] <cbx33> how do i include images on the wiki?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> that's no good he's out to have fun on a friday night
[03:58] <cbx33> I've uploaded it as an attachement
[03:59] <cbx33> or is that the wrong way to go about it?
[03:59] <ogra> just look at some other page that uses screenshots ;)
[03:59] <cbx33> kk
[03:59] <cbx33> was just looking for one
[04:04] <cbx33> DONE !
[04:05] <cbx33> woohoo :D
[04:10] <cbx33> ogra: I have finished those man pages too
[04:10] <cbx33> I'll upload those tonight 
[04:10] <ogra> thanks
[04:10] <cbx33> you now have the 3 pages
[04:10] <cbx33> I'll try using bzr :p
[04:10] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[04:11] <cbx33> np
[04:15] <cbx33> my next doc will be about integrating m$ authentication so things ike kerberos
[04:15] <cbx33> so that people can implement those into their AD domains
[04:17] <JaneW> ogra: I have photos of ubuntu eggs and an ubuntu hot cross bun now
[04:18] <cbx33> hehehehe
[04:18] <JaneW> ogra: still need help?
[04:18] <cbx33> what's up ogra 
[04:18] <ogra> JaneW, a prrofreading would be nice, give me 30 min i'll finish the doc ...
[04:19] <ogra> cbx33, our marketing wants us to use a dark greenish theme (chalkboard colors)
[04:21] <JaneW> gah I am tired of this artwork argument
[04:21] <JaneW> what's the difference to her anyway?
[04:23] <ogra> JaneW, ready: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperBetaAnnouncement
[04:24] <JaneW> ogra: fast 30 mins :)
[04:24] <ogra> she paied money to cliff for the chalkboard already i guess and missed to ask for feedback on the idea 
[04:24] <ogra> which i find very odd
[04:25] <ogra> i heard about chalkboard less than two weeks ago the first time 
[04:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW: can i make a spec about a line of food products with teh Ubuntu trademark
[04:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: artwork?
[04:26] <ogra> yes
[04:27] <jsgotangco> im not following this at all sorry :)
[04:27] <ogra> we'll get a dark depressive chalkboard colored one it seems, no matter what i say, silbs goes on and on with it
[04:27] <jsgotangco> schools still use a chalkboard?
[04:28] <jsgotangco> that's being too sterotype :)
[04:28] <ogra> i even referred to you telling her that we gained so much market *because* of our colorscheme, but she seems not to listen and tells me that she advised some changes to the chalkboard
[04:28] <spacey> "the chalkboard?
[04:28] <ogra> s/market/market in asia/
[04:28] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is pretty big here
[04:29] <ogra> i'm just concerned to give up the identity we have now
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i would understand that
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i guess it doesn't bode well with gartoon
[04:29] <jsgotangco> or tangerine
[04:29] <spacey> the school we deployed it is very happy with the current one
[04:29] <spacey> s/it/edubuntu
[04:29] <spacey> including edubuntu girl
[04:29] <ogra> i thought so
[04:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, that as well
[04:30] <jsgotangco> ogra: pressure from community might help?
[04:30] <ogra> yeah !
[04:30] <spacey> it should be a bit happy
[04:30] <spacey> its for kids
[04:30] <ogra> yep, but dont forget we want to look a bit more grown up this time :)
[04:30] <ogra> at least for the default
[04:30] <lucasvo> ogra: I wouldn't say that
[04:30] <JaneW> ogra: looks great, I just made some v.minor edits...
[04:30] <lucasvo> I think one should make more than one theme
[04:31] <ogra> JaneW, cool, will send it then :)
[04:31] <JaneW> ogra: Do It
[04:31] <JaneW> :)
[04:31] <spacey> ogra: if you want to address a bit older group of kids
[04:31] <jsgotangco> go go go
[04:31] <ogra> lucasvo, we can have only *one* default theme 
[04:31] <ogra> no matter how many we produce
[04:31] <lucasvo> well, the default yes
[04:31] <spacey> :>
[04:31] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes - re spec :)
[04:31] <jsgotangco> or else i'll invite you to join blatant errors and awkward grammar LP team
[04:31] <lucasvo> but one could have more than one official theme
[04:31] <spacey> any idea how this chalkboard theme will look l?
[04:32] <lucasvo> maybe an install option to chose the theme? *g*
[04:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, is there such a team ? i'D happily join 
[04:32] <lucasvo> :)
[04:32] <jsgotangco> ogra: blatant-and-awkward
[04:32] <ogra> spacey, like a chalkboard ... all dark and green
[04:32] <jsgotangco> its headed by mvo :)
[04:32] <ogra> haha
[04:32] <spacey> our chalkboard where black
[04:32] <spacey> were
[04:33] <ogra> oh, here they are very dark greenish
[04:33] <spacey> when i was young
[04:33] <JaneW> ogra: let's show them the themes and get a quick poll?
[04:33] <spacey> actually i depended on the classroom
[04:33] <spacey> also had them in blue and light green
[04:33] <spacey> :P
[04:33] <lucasvo> in our old school they were green, in the school I am atm, they are black
[04:33] <JaneW> ogra: can we?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> JaneW: yeah like last year
[04:33] <ogra> JaneW, no idea
[04:33] <ogra> but i guess we'll have to to get some opinions here
[04:34] <spacey> i'm off btw, opensource cafe in half hour :)
[04:34] <spacey> byebye:)
[04:34] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk?highlight=%28edubuntu%29%7C%28chalkboard%29
[04:34] <ogra> thats a bit more blue than the one we got offered, but you get the idea
[04:35] <jsgotangco> yeah ive seen this before
[04:35] <jsgotangco> i kind of liked it before
[04:35] <jsgotangco> but not as default
[04:35] <spacey> reminds me of win98
[04:35] <lucasvo> I wouldn't make the edubuntu so silverish it looks more like a harley davidson than a chalkboard
[04:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:36] <spacey> only thing i like is the edubuntu written in chalk
[04:36] <lucasvo> yeah, that one is good
[04:36] <jsgotangco> i kind of like the chalk logo though
[04:37] <lucasvo> it is too abstract for kids
[04:38] <cbx33> i prefer the orange
[04:38] <cbx33> bbl
[04:42] <jsgotangco> EWWWWw
[04:42] <jsgotangco> is that the berlin wall???
[04:42] <jsgotangco> oopss
[04:43] <JaneW> heh
[04:45] <JaneW> ok I am going home
[04:45] <JaneW> to eat my hot ubuntu bun
[04:55] <LaserJock> ok, so here is a question. I haven't installed edubuntu yet but from the screenshots it does look like it is targeted toward younger kids. Is there a plan to make it also University friendly?
[04:57] <ogra> LaserJock, the new default theme should look a bit more mature in dapper
[04:58] <LaserJock> ogra: got a url for that? is it the one above?
[04:59] <ogra> the one above looks similar to what we got proposed 
[04:59] <ogra> i'm *very* unhappy with it
[05:00] <ogra> especially since we discarded the idea in breezy already with a majority of the community
[05:01] <LaserJock> it look kind of Win95ish
[05:01] <ogra> yeah
[05:02] <ogra> the new one is a bit more professional and a bit more green
[05:02] <LaserJock> k
[05:02] <ogra> but still has depressive dark green colors
[05:02] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody done any studies of what schools prefer?
[05:02] <ogra> i think we have a color identity we should stay with ... just have a neutral wallpaper
[05:03] <LaserJock> what would be cool is for universities to each have a theme in their school colors
[05:03] <ogra> we already ship three themes :)
[05:03] <ogra> and see my pranding package RFC on -devel ;)
[05:03] <jsgotangco> ogra: i just saw it
[05:03] <ogra> *branding
[05:03] <jsgotangco> it reminded me of graffitti
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:04] <LaserJock> ogra: reading your mail right now
[05:04] <ogra> the berlin wall ? 
[05:04] <ogra> heh
[05:04] <ogra> thats a good title for it 
[05:04] <jsgotangco> if we're going to make it realistic, we'll need something like jane <3 tom thing
[05:05] <jsgotangco> no classes!
[05:05] <ogra> :)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: i read about the branding RFC, but would rather not reply to list, are you just looking into creating an app or doing a while branding spec?
[05:06] <ogra> the plain theme is thought for universities btw ... 
[05:06] <ogra> i want an app that creates an artwork metapackage that you can just add to a customized CD iso
[05:06] <ogra> so branding on click ...
[05:07] <jsgotangco> no guidelines whatsoever
[05:07] <ogra> nope
[05:07] <ogra> only a tool that picks up the current setup
[05:07] <jsgotangco> but i hardly see any movement on it
[05:07] <ogra> it could be an addition to the oem stuff, yes
[05:08] <jsgotangco> who's in charge of oem anyway?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> (business-wise)
[05:08] <ogra> but the idea is that you install ubuntu, make your changes to themes, artwork, logos etc and then just have one click to get a package that brands every ubuntu you install that on
[05:09] <LaserJock> is it possible to change themes?  if I have ubuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu installed (actually *-desktop) can I choose which theme I want?
[05:09] <jsgotangco> it can be extended to other stuff 
[05:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, sure thats eft+3 or so :)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> :P
[05:10] <ogra> LaserJock, in edubuntu just run dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork 
[05:10] <LaserJock> ah
[05:10] <jsgotangco> count me in i can focus on it for next cycle at least i;ll have focus
[05:10] <ogra> but it doesnt work well together with ubuntu-artwork
[05:11] <ogra> since edubuntu-desktop changes the default desktop to edubuntu 
[05:11] <LaserJock> so there isn't some kind of theme chooser for users?
[05:12] <ogra> sure the theme tool 
[05:12] <ogra> but thats only for the user
[05:13] <LaserJock> does that do the bootsplash too, or is it just for gnome/gdm?
[05:13] <ogra> everything 
[05:14] <Bluekuja> hi guys :)
[05:14] <LaserJock> cool
[05:14] <Bluekuja> ogra take a look here https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/40576
[05:14] <Bluekuja> just filled out 
[05:15] <ogra> Bluekuja, that didnt happen since breezy ...
[05:15] <ogra> did you notify #ubuntu-bugs about it ? 
[05:15] <Bluekuja> im going to do it now :)
[05:16] <Bluekuja> i noticed this problem with labtop
[05:16] <LaserJock> ogra: so Edubuntu beta is out, right?
[05:16] <Bluekuja> 5 minutes waiting
[05:16] <Bluekuja> -.-
[05:16] <ogra> LaserJock, despite missing the announcement, yes :)
[05:17] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, I think I'll give it a whirl
[05:17] <ogra> :)
[05:18] <LaserJock> I got my 2 boxes at home merged together last night so I'm going to wipe my 120G drive and start over with Beta
[05:25] <LaserJock> hmm, where are the edubuntu isos located?
[05:25] <ogra> erm ...
[05:25] <ogra>  /topic ?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:25] <LaserJock> doh
[05:26] <ogra> seems we really need that announcement with the url :)
[05:26] <jsgotangco> graduate school sure comes in handy eh?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:26] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you bet, I can spel and evrything
[05:26] <LaserJock> actually, in my irssi term it is hard to see the topics
[05:27] <jsgotangco> you should join blatant-and-awkward in LP then
[05:27] <jsgotangco> ah right
[05:27] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I've seen that team :-)
[05:32] <jsgotangco> anyways goodnight
[05:34] <LaserJock> arggh, no seeds for the torrent :(
[05:36] <ogra> really ? 
[05:36] <LaserJock> nope
[05:36] <LaserJock> I'm just downloading the i386 livecd directly
[05:37] <ogra> why the liveCD ?
[05:37] <LaserJock> cause I want to test it out
[05:37] <ogra> ah, k+
[05:37] <LaserJock> I haven't seen espresso yet
[05:37] <ogra> its pretty cool and a lot faster ...
[05:37] <ogra> but not helpful for edubuntu sadly ...
[05:37] <LaserJock> no?
[05:37] <ogra> since you can get only the workstation install with it
[05:38] <LaserJock> oh, that would be what I want if I'm not using it as a ltsp server, right?
[05:39] <ogra> yep
[05:39] <LaserJock> k
[05:40] <LaserJock> I'm not really interested in ltsp at this point since I only have a couple computers
[05:42] <LaserJock> hmm, but my department does have a undergraduate computer lab
[05:45] <ogra> the sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork works also on the liveCD btw ... run it in a terminal and log out ... on autoligin you'll have the new theme
[05:49] <LaserJock> cool
[05:50] <LaserJock> hmm, this ltsp stuff would be perfect for our computer lab :/
[05:51] <ogra> sure :)
[05:51] <LaserJock> I just wonder how hard it would be to get people to try it
[05:52] <LaserJock> right now we have ~10-15 Windows computers that each have some sort of read-only partition that is booted up
[05:52] <LaserJock> but it is a pain that they are all still  seperate computers
[06:05] <LaserJock> ok, this might be a stupid question, but  how do you tell if a NIC has PXE?
[06:22] <cbx33> afternoon all
[06:23] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[06:23] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[06:23] <lns> LaserJock, is the NIC onboard or an add-on card?
[06:23] <lns> hi all btw =)
[06:24] <LaserJock> lns: actually, I have no idea. I was just trying to think about our computer lab and how I could tell
[06:24] <lns> well
[06:24] <lns> if it's onboard, when you boot the computer go into the BIOS and see if it has any settings for the NIC
[06:24] <lns> and you'll be able to tell from there
[06:24] <lns> if not
[06:25] <lns> during boot and after POST it should give you a seperate message like "Press CTRL+S to enter setup" or something simmilar to that for the NIC
[06:25] <lns> you'll have to watch the messages as you boot up
[06:26] <LaserJock> lns: k, thanks
[06:26] <lns> no prob
[06:27] <LaserJock> man, it would be really sweet if I could get the department to use Edubuntu
[06:27] <LaserJock> I just think it would be a tough sell
[06:27] <lns> LaserJock, what department?
[06:28] <lns> oh nm
[06:28] <lns> hehe
[06:28] <LaserJock> lns: I'm a PhD chemistry student at a US university ;-)
[06:29] <lns> nice
[06:29] <lns> =)
[06:29] <LaserJock> the problem is, hardly anybody uses linux here :/
[06:29] <LaserJock> it's all OSX and Windows
[06:29] <cbx33> Grrr....
[06:29] <lns> burn some liveCDs
[06:29] <cbx33> damn those propreitory inferior OS's
[06:30] <lns> for ppc and i386...pop them randomly in some drives and reboot ;)
[06:30] <cbx33> or setup and LTSP server and PXE boot
[06:30] <LaserJock> one of the main problems is that it is used by all students on campus
[06:30] <LaserJock> so the use MS Office a lot
[06:30] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if they would go for OO.org
[06:30] <cbx33> they'd cut back on spending if they moved to openoffice :p
[06:30] <LaserJock> for sure, it could be much cheaper
[06:31] <LaserJock> they were looking at upgrading the computers, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have to with LTSP
[06:31] <LaserJock> plus I could whip up a chemistry meta package so that we have all the goodies installed ;-)
[06:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, I was just thinking that way they could still have windows installed
[06:32] <LaserJock> ewwww
[06:32] <cbx33> and no modification to the HDD at all
[06:32] <cbx33> that's the best part :p
[06:33] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah. maybe if I could set up an Edubuntu server and without messing up the current setup
[06:33] <cbx33> well that's what I was suggesting :p
[06:34] <cbx33> if they didn;t like all they would have to do is turn off the edubuntu server
[06:39] <cbx33> ogra, you there?
[06:42] <lns> you know LaserJock it might be smarter to use Ubuntu+LTSP instead of edubuntu for a uni
[06:42] <lns> just my opinion
[06:42] <lns> i know we talked about this yesterday
[06:42] <cbx33> well yeh :p
[06:42] <ogra> lns, did you take a look at edubuntu with the plain theme ? 
[06:43] <lns> any ss available?
[06:43] <lns> i have't
[06:43] <ogra> thats intended for science and unis
[06:43] <lns> oh...well i mean i was just thinkng along the lines of what default apps are installed
[06:43] <lns> not necessarily just the theme
[06:44] <ogra> yep, thats on the list for eft ... to have better menu management that would switch certain parts off for certain usecases
[06:44] <cbx33> ogra, excellent
[06:44] <lns> wow ogra nice
[06:44] <ogra> dunno if its manageable in time in the short release cycle
[06:45] <ogra> but it will be definately there in eft+1
[06:45] <lns> hehe
[06:45] <cbx33> ogra, any news on the artwork
[06:45] <ogra> we only have 4 months for eft
[06:45] <lns> i read their plans for efty, it seems like it'd be pretty easy to include stuff in it since they're cleaning the slate so to speak
[06:45] <cbx33> I love the idea about the theme management btw :P
[06:45] <ogra> and two of these will be bugfixing and stabilization
[06:46] <ogra> cbx33, the future idea is to have it selectable from the CD bootmenu
[06:46] <LaserJock> ogra: 4 months? I thought we had 5 1/2
[06:46] <cbx33> that'd be awsome
[06:46] <ogra> i just have to dig deep into the gfxboot guts ...
[06:46] <ogra> which i didnt have time for yet
[06:47] <cbx33> well...I'll be digging into those guts soon too :p
[06:47] <ogra> thats great, so we can discuss changes and know what we're talking about even
[06:47] <cbx33> indeed 
[06:47] <cbx33> I hope
[06:47] <cbx33> :p
[06:48] <cbx33> I'll get the bzr version at somepoint
[06:48] <ogra> LaserJock, oct 10th as usual :)
[06:48] <cbx33> probably monday
[06:48] <ogra> probably a week or two later ...
[06:48] <LaserJock> ogra: are you sure? I thought the TB decided to do +2 weeks for Dapper+1, +2, and +3
[06:48] <ogra> cbx33, its in dapper ...
[06:49] <ogra> 4 months +2 weeks are still no 5 1/2 :)
[06:49] <cbx33> i thought you said that version came from SuSE
[06:49] <LaserJock> ogra: no, I mean -2 I guess
[06:50] <LaserJock> so it would be 5 1/2 months for the next 3 releases
[06:50] <ogra> ah
[06:50] <LaserJock> I could be wrong though
[06:52] <cbx33> ogra, do the options in gfxboot then get passed to the kernel I presume?
[06:52] <ogra> yep
[06:52] <ogra> thats the easy part 
[06:52] <cbx33> hehe
[06:52] <cbx33> what's the hard part then ?
[06:52] <ogra> hacking the GUI up is the hard one
[06:52] <cbx33> what's the hard part then :p
[06:53] <cbx33> aahhhhh
[06:53] <cbx33> I'll bbl
[06:54] <lns> is the new ubuntu gfx boot too?
[06:54] <lns> or just edubuntu
[06:55] <ogra> all of them are
[06:56] <ogra> even xubuntu i think (didnt check)
[07:01] <lns> awesome
[07:01] <lns> i really like it
[07:02] <lns> is there a way to put that in the actual bootloader post install, i.e. grub/lilo replacement?
[07:02] <lns> is it based on either?
[07:03] <ogra> we tried it (grub bootimage) and it failed on a huge amount of machines
[07:04] <lns> understandable
[07:05] <lns> tricky to get all that into a bootloader
[07:12] <bobulator> can anyone point me in the right direction of stuff to look at to add a thick client to the thin client network? not even sure what protocols i'm looking at messing with... NFS?
[07:15] <lns> bobulator, what are you trying to accomplish with the thick client?
[07:16] <bobulator> well
[07:16] <bobulator> we have 1 room with all the computers in it
[07:16] <bobulator> and we want another at the other end of the house that can be used for sound and the like
[07:17] <bobulator> and just as a workstation, we ahve another decent processor so it seems daft not to use it to it's full and the like
[07:18] <bobulator> basically we want to keep the same user data and logins, but have everything else running locally
[07:21] <bobulator> lns: any ideas where i should be looking?
[07:23] <lns> hmm
[07:23] <lns> possibly nis/samba domain
[07:24] <lns> i'm sure edubuntu just uses passwd pam auth
[07:25] <bobulator> lns: i thoguht samba was just for windows to talk to linux?
[07:25] <lns> not necessarily
[07:25] <bobulator> ok
[07:25] <lns> you can use it for all linux too, it's a good filesharing system
[07:25] <bobulator> cool :)
[07:25] <lns> it just is compatible with windows/cifs
[07:25] <bobulator> so either that, or pam?
[07:26] <bobulator> and not nfs?
[07:26] <lns> nfs isn't an authentication mechanism, just filesharing
[07:26] <lns> nis would work
[07:26] <lns> but i don't have much exp with that
[07:27] <bobulator> ah ok
[07:27] <bobulator> it would be good to have something in the edubuntu docs about it :) it cant be that rare a request...
[07:27] <bobulator> if i sort it out ill try and write it up
[07:28] <ogra> we'll have a ldap/kreberos based solution at some point 
[07:28] <bobulator> cool
[07:28] <bobulator> worth looking those up too?
[07:28] <ogra> until then you'll have to set it up yourself, that would be nice to have documented
[07:29] <bobulator> is it pretty straightforward in a linux kinda way?
[07:30] <ogra> there are at least plenty of documents how to set it up on the web i think
[07:30] <ogra> i'd not introduce samba just for network auth 
[07:30] <bobulator> cool
[07:30] <ogra> but nis is insecure (which would be an alternative)
[07:30] <bobulator> so is one of those for auth and one for filesharing?
[07:31] <ogra> and all ldap/kerberos solutions require some more knowledge
[07:31] <bobulator> ok
[07:31] <ogra> you have nfs running on the edubuntu server anyway
[07:31] <ogra> so there is nothing you need to care ...
[07:31] <ogra> +about 
[07:31] <cbx33> I'm gonna be documenting samba ubuntu authentication soon
[07:31] <bobulator> :)
[07:32] <cbx33> authenticating against an AD domain
[07:32] <bobulator> ok, ill look up that for now then and then try the other one later
[07:32] <cbx33> bye all
[07:32] <ogra> its just teaching the clients to authenticate via the server and then teaching the server to allow that
[07:32] <cbx33> I'll have to upload those bits tomorrow ogra, I'm off out to see Silent Hill now :p
[07:32] <ogra> cbx33, enjoy :)
[07:32] <cbx33> heeh
[07:33] <bobulator> right, so look up nfs and nis you reckon? i need things to type into google :)
[07:33] <ogra> yes
[07:33] <bobulator> cool, ta!
[07:33] <ogra> but be aware that nis is the least secure system here
[07:34] <bobulator> ok. but presumably as long as i make it local network only, itll be ok?
[07:34] <ogra> so if you are paranoid about security stuff, its nothing for you
[07:34] <bobulator> reet
[07:34] <bobulator> but if its runnign already?
[07:34] <ogra> nis ? 
[07:34] <bobulator> ah ok
[07:34] <ogra> nis isnt installed
[07:34] <bobulator> so nfs is running
[07:34] <bobulator> and nis is
[07:34] <bobulator> ok
[07:35] <ogra> nfs exports the / readonly for the thin clients in ltsp 
[07:35] <bobulator> right
[07:35] <ogra> there is nothing insecure about that :)
[07:35] <bobulator> cool :) but i guess having it let other directorys be writable is insecure?
[07:36] <ogra> nah
[07:36] <highvoltage> yay, it's weekend!
[07:36] <bobulator> so its just nis i need to worry about, right
[07:36] <ogra> just make sure to use the options right 
[07:36] <ogra> yep
[07:36] <highvoltage> ogra: nice announce
[07:37] <ogra> thanks :)
[07:37] <bobulator> how insecure is it? does it transmit passwords unencrypted or something?
[07:38] <highvoltage> ogra: if i have lots of space on my installation medium, and lets say i have a customised Edubuntu installation DVD, would it legal (from a debian/apt/dpkg perspective) to tar up the ltsp chroot on a working machine, and then extract it from the installation medium, instead of building it?
[07:39] <highvoltage> ogra: i know it's a waste of space, but it would make the installation a bit faster for us at a big bunch of schools
[07:39] <highvoltage> (note that i'm not suggesting this for any official edubuntu dvd)
[07:40] <ogra> just make sure to use the same packages you also ship on the CD
[07:40] <highvoltage> ok, will do.
[07:40] <ogra> the chroot is unpacked ~300MB
[07:40] <highvoltage> and i'll have ltsp-standalone-server and everything installed as i should just before i would run ltsp-build-client, would that be ok?
[07:41] <ogra> no idea how small you can squeeze it
[07:41] <ogra> yup
[07:41] <ogra> you also need to make sure that the installer doesnt call ltsp-client-builder 
[07:41] <ogra> else you'll have it twice
[07:41] <highvoltage> yes, i want to do a custom seed for our tuxlabs.
[07:42] <ogra> (the first one will get overwritten, but you wont gain speed)
[07:42] <highvoltage> i don't really know how to do it yet, but the ubuntu wiki seems full of advise, and i suppose there's just one way to learn, and that's to just do it :)
[07:43] <highvoltage> i strongly considered using ltsp.org again for the next upgrade, simply because it has USB support (something our teachers want desperately)
[07:43] <highvoltage> but since the next edubuntu ltsp will have it too, i figured they can just wait a little more.
[07:44] <highvoltage> something else i've considered, is that if we extracted Ubuntu LTSP, we could possibly give the option to choose between ubuntu ltsp and ltsp.org, but then i thought that it would just add too much support overhead, so we're just sticking with ubuntu ltsp.
[08:05] <cbx33> highvoltage, from what i can see ubuntu ltsp works better anyway
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's the specs on the thin client you're using?
[08:05] <cbx33> um...well I tested it on a VM machine...and it b0rked
[08:05] <cbx33> but then i tested it on a nice toshiba laptop and it was fine
[08:06] <cbx33> I've not done much testing on other machines yet
[08:06] <cbx33> want to get it all up and running
[08:06] <highvoltage> i'd like to do some experiments on some low-end hardware, i have mixed theories that suggests that either one could work better on say, a PII 233 with 64MB RAM
[08:06] <cbx33> gonna have AD authentication....
[08:06] <cbx33> cos the kids still need to access their work
[08:06] <cbx33> whether they re on linux or windows
[08:07] <cbx33> i think we need some docs about how the ltsp can be administrated
[08:07] <cbx33> like adding pacakges etc....
[08:08] <ogra> yep
[08:09] <ogra> but thats a one liner :)
[08:09] <cbx33> apt-get :p
[08:09] <cbx33> inside the chrrot I presume?
[08:09] <ogra> yep
[08:09] <cbx33> how do logins work
[08:09] <ogra> you need to copy the servers sources.list before, because the chroot only jhas the cdrom
[08:09] <cbx33> is the pam authentication exactly the same as on a normal system
[08:09] <cbx33> i see
[08:09] <ogra> pam ? 
[08:10] <ogra> we use a ssh tunnel
[08:10] <ogra> dunno if that uses any pam modules ...
[08:10] <cbx33> ah i see
[08:10] <cbx33> just thinking about how I'm going to get AD authentication working
[08:11] <ogra> you'll need to tell the servers sshd to use the AD, dont ask me how
[08:11] <cbx33> or even if it;s possible
[08:11] <cbx33> i don't even think that's possible
[08:11] <cbx33> hmmmm this is gonna be tricky
[08:11] <ogra> ssh is able to use pam, i just dont know if we do it by default
[08:12] <cbx33> that'd be cool, I'm sure we can do it one way or th other
[08:13] <cbx33> although ad authentication is a PITA
[08:14] <cbx33> kerberos for one thing
[08:14] <cbx33> is a nuicense
[08:15] <highvoltage> ogra: you will also notice way less mails and admin stuff from the list :)
[08:16] <cbx33> ogra, did i ask if ther ewas any news on the artwork?
[08:16] <ogra> nope, there werent any yet
[08:16] <cbx33> ok
[08:16] <cbx33> I'm not too sure about the green
[08:16] <cbx33> right...I gotta dash
[08:17] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the wallpapers currently included on the beta CD?
[08:17] <ogra> only edubuntu girl
[08:18] <ogra> plain doesnt use a wallpaper and i'm waiting fro something for the young theme
[09:21] <bobulator> hmm
[09:21] <bobulator> does anyone know if nfs-utils has been superceded? its not on the package list
[09:46] <highvoltage> is there any way i can limit a user's memory usage in edubuntu?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: afaik, that is not possible at all
[09:49] <crimsun> highvoltage: $EDITOR /etc/security/limits.conf
[09:50] <Burgundavia> hmm, I proved wrong
[09:50] <crimsun> highvoltage: set hard limits for the items, namely memlock, rss, stack, and as
[09:51] <highvoltage> crimsun: wow, that's very handy. does it use ulimit?
[09:51] <crimsun> this is in pam, so it's effective regardless of what shell is used
[09:51] <crimsun> if you wish, you can set ulimits, too
[09:54] <Sergi0> hi, could freenx be used in a edubuntu enviorment?
[09:59] <highvoltage> crimsun: what's the difference really between soft and hard limits?
[09:59] <highvoltage> crimsun: i tried to look at ulimits, but i'm having trouble finding documentation on it :/
[10:00] <ogra> Sergi0, sure, why shouldnt that be possible
[10:01] <Sergi0> ogra: freenx is alot faster, so a client ltsp could use it and connects with freenx with the server, right?
[10:02] <ogra> that would require some work on the ltsp setup
[10:02] <crimsun> highvoltage: ulimits tend to be associated per-shell. Instead you want to think about rlimits for process quotas. Neither the soft nor the hard limits can be exceeded, but the soft is often called the "current" because it can be raised through calls to the hard limit.
[10:02] <Sergi0> ah okay, but not impossible ogra
[10:02] <ogra> i.e. you would have to make the freenx client start instaed of ldm
[10:02] <ogra> (after X is up)
[10:02] <highvoltage> crimsun: aaah
[10:03] <ogra> apart from that there shouldnt be a probelm
[10:03] <Sergi0> ogra: ah okay, great
[10:05] <highvoltage> crimsun: could i set, in limits.conf, that a user may have up to 120MB real ram, and after that they can still have as much swap as they want?
[10:05] <crimsun> highvoltage: no, because swap is part of the vm affected by real ram usage
[10:05] <highvoltage> crimsun: or does memlock lock total in swap and ram?
[10:05] <highvoltage> ok.