[01:13] <jjesse> updated KubuntuDapperBeta any feedback?
[01:14] <jjesse> mgalvin: can you look at KubuntuDapperBeta and give me feedback?
[01:15] <mgalvin> jjesse: yea sure
[01:22] <Burgwork> mdke, approved!
[01:24] <mgalvin> jjesse: looks good... i like to use smaller images but thats just me, otherwise it looks good
[01:25] <jjesse> mgalvin: i'll make it better as i go on, this is my first one with images
[01:25] <jjesse> working on espresso right now
[01:25] <jjesse> mgalvin: thanks for the review :)
[01:26] <mgalvin> cool, np :)
[01:56] <LaserJock> mgalvin: Screenshot 7: X-Chat GNOME Message Notification
[01:56] <LaserJock> mgalvin: xchat-gnome isn't installed by default so should you have that there?
[01:57] <LaserJock> mgalvin: and on http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperbeta not all of the screenshots are showing up it seems
[01:57] <mgalvin> LaserJock: i guess i could remove the xchat-gnome stuff... 
[01:58] <LaserJock> I was just wondering
[01:58] <LaserJock> not ordering ;-)
[01:58] <crimsun> not to mention "coming" is misspelled
[01:58] <mgalvin> the images are still hosted on my server and it is a "bit overworked" right now :-/
[01:58] <mgalvin> i still have to fix a few things on that page
[01:58] <LaserJock> mgalvin: especially since it is linked to distrowatch 
[01:58] <crimsun> otherwise it's a really slick overviet
[01:58] <crimsun> overview
[01:59] <mgalvin> is it really?! crap...
[01:59] <mgalvin> i didn't want it the public until the images were off my server, oh well
[01:59] <LaserJock> that is how I found it
[01:59] <mgalvin> i will fix it up now and move the images somewhere shortly
[02:00] <mgalvin> thanks for pointing that stuff out guys
[02:14] <LaserJock> go mgalvin go!
[02:14] <mgalvin> haha ;)
[02:15] <LaserJock> the torrents seem to be nice and fast
[02:16] <LaserJock> first time I've actually downloaded something with a torrent that gave any decent speed
[02:16] <jjesse> for the beta?
[02:16] <jjesse> i just downloaded  the live cd and it was really quick
[02:16] <LaserJock> yeah, took me 13 min.
[02:17] <LaserJock> usually torrents take me hours
[02:17] <jjesse> torrents are blocked at work for me :(
[02:19] <LaserJock> yeah, they usually are for me, but on OSX it works
[02:21] <jjesse> that's interstesting that it works on one and not the other
[02:22] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm not sure if it a port issue or what
[02:23] <jjesse> dang it i hate all these kernel updates that force me to always reconfigure vmplayer :(
[02:56] <mgalvin> my server is still being crushed but i used attached images where possible so more of them should show up :-/
[03:02] <crimsun> I've always wondered why high-vol link sites don't default to coralcache
[03:08] <mgalvin> i wish moin would support attachments acting as links to another attachments
[03:08] <mgalvin> it doesn't which is why i have to do it this way :(
[05:17] <darx> hi guys
[05:17] <Madpilot> hi
[05:17] <darx> does windows release the dhcp lease when it shuts down?
[05:18] <darx> there seems to be some confusion
[05:18] <darx> coz if you are on dual boot ubuntu seems to have trouble getting the lease
[05:19] <darx> there is no doc regarding this
[05:19] <Burgundavia> darx: neither windows nor ubuntu will release upon shutdown
[05:19] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilotq1
[05:19] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, even
[05:20] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: can I send you a doc for a quick look?'
[05:20] <darx> when i relese the lease manually before booting into ubuntu from windows, i don't get this problem
[05:20] <darx> otherwise its a hit or miss issue
[05:20] <Burgundavia> darx: it is a windows bug
[05:21] <darx> whats the bug??
[05:21] <frank23> when is the translation freeze for ubuntu docs for dapper?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> frank23: a week before release
[05:22] <frank23> Burgundavia: ok. thanks.
[05:23] <darx> burgundavia: r u there?
[05:23] <Burgundavia> darx: yep
[05:24] <darx> what is the bug??
[05:24] <Burgundavia> windows not releasing on shutdown
[05:24] <darx> but you said that neither of them releases
[05:24] <darx> so the bug is common
[05:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[05:24] <darx> ???????????
[05:25] <darx> so its not a windows only bug is it??
[05:25] <Burgundavia> there may also be a bug in your router, as leaes should be tied to the MAC addy, not the OS
[05:26] <darx> it could be tied to the host name
[05:26] <darx> i don't know the details but its a headache
[05:27] <darx> theres no doc regarding this
[05:27] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, go ahead
[05:27] <darx> i've been lookin around the forums and the wiki
[05:27] <darx> eventually i had to look elsewhere
[05:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: going to send it to you now
[05:28] <darx> this is an ubiquitos problem coz i've seen a lots of posts that could have had this very issue at its core
[05:30] <darx> is it a bug or intentional?? and if so why coz its just a oneliner isn't it??
[05:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, got it
[05:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: cheers
[05:32] <darx> Burgundavia: I hope u r not busy
[05:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, looks like a good listing
[05:33] <Madpilot> can I send it back to you with some edits?
[05:36] <darx> Burgundavia: hellooooooo
[05:36] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep
[05:36] <Burgundavia> darx: in and out, packing for my trip
[05:37] <Madpilot> already editing ;)
[05:37] <darx> sorry
[05:37] <Burgundavia> np
[05:37] <darx> so can u answer my q?
[05:45] <Madpilot> darx, please try #ubuntu for technical help, this isn't really a help channel - thanks
[05:46] <darx> okies
[05:46] <darx> thanks 
[05:46] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, sent
[05:49] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: cheers
[05:52] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: if you need to edit something again, go to the edit menu, changes --> Record
[06:00] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: anything else you think I should add?'
[06:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, not really - nifty changes->record trick, thanks for that
[06:04] <Burgundavia> that works on .doc files as well
[06:04] <Madpilot> what's a .doc file? ;)
[07:42] <Burgundavia> grumble, beta appears to have broken madwifi
[07:43] <Burgundavia> false alarm
[07:46] <Madpilot> dog, Gaim is ugly...
[07:46] <Madpilot> the Dapper LiveCD runs nicely, though
[07:48] <Burgundavia> back in a sec
[08:30] <Madpilot> hi robotgeek
[08:30] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot , had to reconnect due to lag
[08:30] <robotgeek> muhahaha..installing java using EU on dapper ppc, sweet
[08:31] <Madpilot> I'm running Dapper beta livecd, and suffering with gaim - I can't believe we're planning on inflicting this thing on newbies
[08:31] <robotgeek> ekiga is tougher to run than xchat
[08:32] <robotgeek> plus, it doesn't work (firewall crap)
[08:32] <robotgeek> also kubuntu folks have openwengo
[08:33] <Madpilot> yeah, ekiga looks tough - a friend is playing with it a bit
[08:34] <robotgeek> the devs decided "if you are l33t enuf to use irc, use irssi"
[08:35] <Madpilot> the devs have taken leave of their collective senses WRT IRC, I think... 
[08:36] <robitaille> is that the actual quote?  I have never seen the actual discussion of that decision
[08:36] <robotgeek> robitaille: no, i made it up
[08:37] <robitaille> I always wonder who decided about it.  From what I see from meeting logs, it was suddently a done deal
[08:37] <Madpilot> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/38694
[08:37] <Madpilot> which Matt closed, for some reason, before one of the devs answered...
[08:38] <robitaille> yeah, I saw that bug report when it opened and I was hoping to see an "official" answer
[08:39] <Madpilot> I'm sorely tempted to reopen that bug, actually
[08:50] <Madpilot> right, I re-opened that bug...
[08:50] <robotgeek> heh, let me subscribe :)
[08:51] <Madpilot> you already are, I think
[08:51] <Madpilot> same URL as above ^^^
[08:51] <robotgeek> yup, i already am
[08:54] <Madpilot> now we just have to stop Matt from closing it again ;)
[08:54] <robotgeek> heh
[08:56] <mdke_> it's been discussed some many times, I figured that there wasn't a lot of point leaving it open
[08:56] <mdke_> course I will leave it, if you like
[08:57] <mdke> woot!
[08:57] <mdke> mark has approved BetterWikiDocs
[08:57] <robotgeek> mdke: awesome! 
[08:57] <Madpilot> cool! so when does the giant wiki-move start?
[08:58] <mdke> we'll need some developers to help
[08:58] <mdke> and a server, and such
[08:59] <Madpilot> new server for help.u.c first, yes?
[09:00] <rob> wow, very cool
[09:01] <robotgeek> wiki licensing would also be cool :P
[09:01] <rob> mdke, let me know if you need a hand setting it up, I've set up Moin and things a few times in the past
[09:01] <mdke> yeah, I've been chasing up wiki licensing too
[09:02] <mdke> rob, np, I don't think the server admins will let me loose on it. they know what they're doing with moin, they've got like 7 wikis already :D
[09:02] <Madpilot> we never did settle the wiki license, did we? I know CC:PD was proposed...
[09:02] <mdke> Madpilot, sure, it is settled, we just never implemented it
[09:03] <rob> mdke, thats cool, feel free to pick my brain etc if you need it :)
[09:04] <mdke> Madpilot, on xchat. I'll post you a mail from sabdfl about it
[09:04] <mdke> It was removed because Gaim has support for IRC and we don't think the majority of users will be so enamoured with IRC that we want to keep two separate IRC clients in the default install. Xchat is much better for heavy IRC users, but those users are also perfectly capable of installing xchat themselves.
[09:05] <Madpilot> sure - except that compared to XChat, gaim has fairly bad IRC support...
[09:05] <mdke> yes, the developers are aware of that
[09:05] <mdke> the fact is that irc is not considered a core feature
[09:05] <rob> Gaim is horrible, but I can see the reasons behind it
[09:05] <mdke> it's a chat network like any other
[09:06] <mdke> the developers have simply disagreed with the statement in that bug report that "he IRC channels are an absolutely vital way of helping new users, and must be very easily accessible"
[09:06] <Madpilot> it seems to run counter to the "do one thing well" ethos
[09:07] <mdke> well, gaim does msn well, and msn is a lot more popular as a chat network
[09:08] <rob> I wish Ubuntu had proper control of the forums, I'd use/recommend it much more if they did and the Gaim factor wouldn't be so bad
[09:08] <Madpilot> yes, but if XChat-Gnome does IRC well, and gaim does it horribly... the logical conclusion does not seem to have been reached...
[09:08] <rob> the forums is such a cesspool as it stands now
[09:08] <mdke> rob, i disagree
[09:09] <mdke> Madpilot, my point is that irc is not considered something that we need to provide to users by default.
[09:09] <rob> mdke, :P you always do 
[09:09] <mdke> not always, but I think you have a thing about the forums, and they aren't that bad at all
[09:09] <rob> personal opinion is all, I've tried to like and use the forums and just can't stand it
[09:09] <Madpilot> some of the subforums are just... strange... but the Absolute Beginner forums and other main ones aren't bad
[09:10] <mdke> yeah, that's true
[09:12] <Madpilot> web forums have a different feel to mailing lists - I prefer MLs, usually
[09:14] <robotgeek> i tried doing support on forums, was too much work
[09:14] <Kaiser_Sleeps> i havent been there for ages. waiting for pages to load drives me insane
[09:15] <mdke> heh
[09:15] <mdke> I like the forums, but I prefer mailing lists too
[09:16] <Kaiser_Sleeps> probably a cultural thing  - i prefer to let email come to me for a reply, then go and search out a query on a forum ;)
[09:17] <robotgeek> like wireless, powerbook 
[09:17] <mdke> clever
[09:18] <robotgeek> too bad regexing it too much work
[09:19] <robotgeek> night all, going to bed
[09:20] <Kaiser_Sleeps> later mate
[09:29] <Madpilot> back later, in Breezy with a sane IRC client ;)
[09:29] <Kaiser_Sleeps> lol
[02:51] <Sven_vB> hi
[02:51] <Sven_vB> do i have to learn svn to translate parts of ubuntu?
[02:52] <rob> no, just Rosetta I beleave
[02:52] <rob> its a web based thing
[02:53] <Sven_vB> ok. how can i submit my translated text? Launchpad says this project (About page) does not use Rosetta
[02:53] <rob> Sven_vB, usually https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+translations
[02:54] <rob> oh? maybe it isn't uploaded yet?
[02:55] <rob> which language?
[02:55] <Sven_vB> german
[02:55] <rob> its there, under the ubuntu-docs package
[02:55] <rob> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+lang/de
[02:56] <rob> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/about-ubuntu/de/+translate
[02:58] <Sven_vB> thx. it seems like i did not mean the about page.
[02:59] <Sven_vB> what is the document being loaded when i start "System">"About Ubuntu" from the panel?
[02:59] <rob> oh, isn't that something else?
[02:59] <Sven_vB> yes, apparently
[03:00] <jsgotangco> Sven_vB: it should be the About Ubuntu document
[03:01] <jsgotangco> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[03:01] <Sven_vB> thx
[03:01] <jsgotangco> (but not in html btw)
[03:02] <rob> eek, I think the licences have made it back into Rosetta again..
[03:02] <Sven_vB> no, it's not similar to the help doc i was reading :|
[03:03] <Sven_vB> can yelp tell me which document i am reading?
[03:03] <rob> mdke, when you are around ^
[03:04] <rob> Sven_vB, are you on Dapper?
[03:04] <Sven_vB> rob: no
[03:04] <jsgotangco> breezy?
[03:04] <rob> thats probably why :)
[03:04] <Sven_vB> hoary atm, i'm upgrading to breezy
[03:04] <jsgotangco> meh
[03:04] <jsgotangco> that's a pretty old document
[03:05] <Sven_vB> =)
[03:05] <jsgotangco> Sven_vB: unfortunately, we don't have those on preview now
[03:05] <jsgotangco> but we can dig through our 2900+ revisions in svn
[03:05] <jsgotangco> :)
[03:05] <Sven_vB> i'll wait for the update to finish and check it again
[03:05] <rob> hmm, maybe its not as bad as I first thought upon further investigation
[03:06] <rob> Sven_vB, the one you see in Rosetta will be the one for Dapper
[03:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:10] <Sven_vB> should i upgrade to dapper in order to help with translation?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> Sven_vB: you don't need to, Rosetta shows you the english strings that can be translated
[03:10] <jsgotangco> the link i posted earlier is also the actual preview document
[03:11] <mdke> rob, url please
[03:11] <Sven_vB> yeah, but this way i'll discover untranslated parts or mistakes only when i'm logged into Rosetta
[03:12] <rob> mdke, I first suspected it when I saw the bottom of this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/about-ubuntu/en_GB/+translate?alt=en&offset=20
[03:12] <jsgotangco> mdke: can you fix bug 40492?
[03:12] <rob> but isn't all that stuff unchanged from Breezy?
[03:12] <rob> (anyway)
[03:12] <mdke> jsgotangco, I wanna think about whether it is worth a string change
[03:12] <Sven_vB> i prefer using ubuntu, seeing "hey, this could be translated better" and then submit my translation
[03:13] <mdke> rob, that's not the licence, it is just the articleinfo stuff
[03:13] <jsgotangco> mdke: Open As Administrator is different from Open as Root, its one small string, we can still upload,
[03:13] <rob> mdke, yeah so I realized :)
[03:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, the whole para needs to be retranslated, not just the filename, lemme take a look
[03:14] <mdke> oh yeah, it's not very long
[03:16] <mdke> let's fix it
[03:19] <Sven_vB> how can i ensure that my ubuntu always uses the latest versions of the translated docs? can i configure it to use the stable version of apps, but the developers version of the translations?
[03:20] <mdke> Sven_vB, no. You just have to keep upgraded
[03:21] <Sven_vB> #)
[03:22] <Sven_vB> kk
[03:22] <mdke> I'll upload some translations this weekend
[03:24] <Sven_vB> cya
[04:53] <mdke> trappist, new hotness in trunk please
[04:56] <trappist> bleh, I thought that *was* trunk
[04:56] <trappist> err wait, no I didn't
[04:56] <trappist> ok
[04:57] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, so I looked at the xreflabel thing in the packaging guide
[04:58] <LaserJock> mdke: if we leave "pbuilder" and "chroot" then I'm pretty sure we can remove the rest without string changes
[04:59] <mdke> sounds good
[04:59] <LaserJock> k
[05:00] <LaserJock> actually, now that Edgy has been announced I should make the substitutions in the Packaging Guide
[05:00] <LaserJock> I'll also do the xreflabel changes at the same time
[05:00] <mdke> good man
[05:23] <LaserJock> neato, security guide
[05:24] <jsgotangco> ?
[05:28] <LaserJock> I see something in u-d-c
[05:28] <jsgotangco> ah yes
[05:28] <jsgotangco> good luck on whoever wrote that :)
[05:29] <LaserJock> not me that's for sure. I am a good use case for why there needs to be a security guide ;-)
[05:30] <jsgotangco> i use a lot of security at work, but im not comfortable being an authority on it though
[05:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:31] <LaserJock> I know virtually nothing about security and I'm luck that I'm behind a good server at the uni
[05:32] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:32] <jsgotangco> gotta sleep
[05:32] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:33] <LaserJock> cya jsgotangco 
[05:56] <WaterSevenUb> while translating detected: C/config-system.xml:712(para) - desktop guide - You can now use your key combination to switch between keyboard *laouts*
[05:59] <mdke> thanks
[05:59] <trappist> <3 translators
[06:03] <mdke> fixed
[06:06] <trappist> say.  could somebody approve me for the launchpad group?
[06:07] <WaterSevenUb> thank you.
[06:07] <LaserJock> hmmmm
[06:08] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:10] <mdke> done
[06:10] <trappist> cool, thanks :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> oh, that reminds me
[06:12] <trappist> my hackergotchi sucks.  because my gimp-foo sucks.
[06:12] <LaserJock> I've got to prepare a little speech. I'm running for a position in the newly created Chemistry Grad Student Association ;-)
[06:13] <LaserJock> trappist: you're a member of the Utah LocoTeam?
[06:13] <trappist> open up with the "little johnny was a chemist" bit
[06:13] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[06:13] <trappist> oh is that what the UT part meant?
[06:13] <trappist> doh
[06:14] <LaserJock> ummm, yeah
[06:14] <trappist> not anymore... not sure why I was on there
[06:15] <LaserJock> trappist: man, you've got some serious karma going on. I just can't get up there
[06:15] <trappist> I've been to utah once, but that probably doesn't count
[06:15] <LaserJock> I'm in a state neighboring Utah
[06:15] <trappist> LaserJock: I spend a lot of time on bugs.  reporting, triaging, commenting, etc.
[06:16] <trappist> occasionally writing patches
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm a doc writer and MOTU but apparently I'm just not that active ;-)
[06:16] <trappist> LaserJock: aren't you a motu?  I figured you'd get mad karma from uploading packages
[06:16] <LaserJock> trappist: actually, I don't think we get karma for uploads
[06:17] <LaserJock> yet
[06:17] <trappist> yeah I think karma needs some work.  it's not aware of enough stuff to be a very good reflection of the amount of contribution somebody makes.
[06:18] <trappist> we need a post-commit hook in svn to talk to karma :)
[06:18] <LaserJock> yeah, that might be nice, and substract off reversions
[06:19] <trappist> we also *cough* still need a trac site
[06:19] <mdke> trappist, faq.xml doesn't validate btw
[06:20] <mdke> I'm already hanckering to read your guide :)
[06:21] <trappist> fixed faq.xml
[06:21] <trappist> mdke: I've been hankering to write it for a while :)
[06:22] <trappist> especially the faq and the firewall section
[06:22] <trappist> SO many very-frequently-asked and usually-poorly-answered security questions
[07:33] <WaterSevenUb> May I ask you something? Something in the desktop guide is not making sense to me: C/common-tasks.xml:299(para)
[07:34] <WaterSevenUb> "This device is configured " button... shouldn't it be Checkbox "Enable this connection" ?
[07:36] <trappist> WaterSevenUb: it looks like you're correct
[07:37] <trappist> but that's the first time I've ever seen network-admin, so maybe somebody else can verify?
[08:06] <mdke> lemme look
[08:07] <mdke> yes
[08:10] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, thanks again
[08:11] <WaterSevenUb> you're welcome
[08:36] <mdke> LaserJock, yo?
[09:03] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah?
[09:05] <mdke> LaserJock, sorry, have sorted it
[09:05] <LaserJock> mdke: did I mess something up? :-)
[09:06] <mdke> no, I needed help with something, but have resolved
[09:07] <LaserJock> ah, well as long as I haven't screwed up the documentation or Universe ;-)
[09:07] <LaserJock> my two goals in life
[09:50] <LaserJock> hi Burgundavia and jjesse 
[09:50] <Burgundavia> salut LaserJock
[09:51] <mdke> hello y'all
[09:54] <jjesse> hello
[09:55] <Burgundavia> mdke: now that we have won sabdfl, we are set
[09:55] <Burgundavia> mdke: btw, I am going to be out of town for a week, with sporatic internet access
[09:55] <mdke> Burgundavia, yeah, I'm pleased too
[09:56] <mdke> Burgundavia, don't worry about not being around. I'll try and chase up mark for a developer, and elmo for the server
[09:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:57] <LaserJock> so in the end, will there be any user documentation on wiki.u.c?
[09:57] <Burgundavia> no
[09:58] <LaserJock> do you think we could get this implemented by Dapper release?
[09:58] <mdke> maybe
[09:59] <LaserJock> that would be cool to roll it out with the release
[09:59] <mdke> yeah
[09:59] <mdke> Burgundavia, we won't be able to change any of the links to the wiki in the official docs
[10:00] <Burgundavia> yes, but we can do redirects/links
[10:00] <Burgundavia> we will not be able to remove any of the documentation pages in the wiki either
[10:00] <mdke> sure, as planned in the spec.
[10:00] <mdke> shame though
[10:01] <LaserJock> won't we eventually?
[10:02] <mdke> LaserJock, for the next release
[10:04] <Burgundavia> by eft we will be able to remove most of the non-high trafficed ones, leaving behind things like rootsudo and the like
[10:04] <mdke> yes
[10:34] <mdke> *that* is going to be a large commit email
[10:42] <LaserJock> mdke: I hopefully made my last commit to the dapper branch
[10:50] <mdke> LaserJock, ooh rock
[10:51] <mdke> mine was so large, it didn't get through :/
[10:58] <mdke> that's better
[11:09] <ompaul> is there a guide for someone doing server stuff enabling networking? 
[11:10] <mdke> ompaul, yes. http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html
[11:10] <ompaul> mdke, once again thanks :)
[11:11] <mdke> network-configuration.html
[11:12] <ompaul> now to feed that into ubotu
[11:14] <mdke> ompaul, don't do that
[11:14] <mdke> that's a work in progress guide aimed at dapper
[11:14] <ompaul> hmm
[11:14] <ompaul> we need something
[11:14] <mdke> well, stable-ish, but the url won't stay like that
[11:15] <ompaul> okay I'll cull it
[11:15] <mdke> ompaul, here you are: http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/networking.html#network-configuration
[11:16] <mdke> oh shit, that will change too
[11:16] <mdke> ompaul, here you are: http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/serverguide/C/index.html <-- will stay the same
[11:16] <ompaul> okay
[11:30] <mdke> robotgeek, ping?
[11:34] <WaterSevenUb> sorry, other question about desktop guide: C/add-applications.xml:48(para) - "<application>Add Programs</application>" wouldn't be better "<application>Add/Remove Applications</application>"?
[11:34] <mdke> I'm not sure
[11:35] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, listen, can you pass a message to the pt_BR team for me?
[11:35] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, I can :-) but I'm from pt (PT) team. But I can contact Og Maciel from pt_BR.
[11:35] <mdke> oh, right
[11:35] <mdke> np, I'll tell him
[11:36] <WaterSevenUb> (in any case, the application itself in dapper is called "Add/Remove Applications" not just "Add Programs", that was my point.)
[11:37] <mdke> yeah, I got your point
[11:42] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, thanks, fixed
[11:46] <mdke> enrico, ping?
[12:02] <mdke> LaserJock, any idea how hard it would be to upgrade ubuntu-docs to compat=5 (someone said that it will support comments in debian/install if we do that, and it would help a lot because that file is going to get VERY complicated when the translations arrive