=== mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] does anyone know how khelpcenter works? [12:50] especially about showing localised documents [12:50] f1? ;-) [12:50] mdke: whats the question? [12:50] how does one go about ensuring that khelpcenter shows a localised document? [12:51] mdke: thats not an easy question [12:51] toma, it wasn't intended to be [12:51] mdke: in general you have to ensure that the index.docbook is localised [12:52] mdke: but if it is made up from several docbooks, it can happen that you see a partly translated docbook [12:52] the document doesn't have an index.docbook [12:53] lemme check a few things [12:53] you mean that there is a language which has translated docbooks, but no index.docbook? [12:54] that means you can throw away the rest, you can not use it in that case [12:54] hang on [12:54] toma, have a look at /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu [12:54] you see there are some documents in there? [12:54] I've got some translations of those, and I wanna know how to make them show up in khelpcenter [12:55] is putting them in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/cc/kubuntu sufficient? [12:56] if you have translated docbooks yes [12:56] what are "docbooks"? [12:56] i'm familiar with kde's system, which uses a conversion to pot's. [12:56] but i guess that does not apply here [12:57] what did you mean by "docbooks"? [12:57] if the file is in docbook format [12:58] but the english version of the file isn't in docbook format, it's html. [12:58] tomlinux /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/kquickguide$ ls [12:58] index.cache.bz2 index.docbook [12:58] gah [12:58] are you using breezy? [12:59] no [12:59] what version of kubuntu-docs have you got? [12:59] 6.04-5 [01:00] toma, ok. Can you do a "ls" on some more of those directories and show me the output? [01:00] i haven't got a kubuntu system here [01:01] try serverguide [01:01] ok, packagingguide and serverguide are html [01:02] i cant help you there, but I would guess the system is the same [01:02] I'll just have to try it [01:02] i'll give it a try as well then [01:02] thanks for your help. Any idea if Riddell is going to be around this weekend? [01:03] mdke: he takes some free time... but will try to get a wifi access with his girlfriend's laptop I heard. [01:04] ok, thanks. I'll mail him === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] haha [01:05] speak of the devil [01:05] woops [01:05] Riddell, hiya [01:07] mdke: yes, that works for me. [01:07] toma, just putting them in the right place? ROCK [01:08] yep [01:08] thanks [01:08] np [01:09] Riddell, I've got 3 relatively important things to tell you about for kubuntu-docs, shall I collect them in a mail, or can I pass them on here? They don't require any immediate attention, but will eventually need to be sorted === toma is now known as toma_ === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:32] hi Riddell [01:32] hi toma_ [01:32] toma_: I need the help of a KDE expert on a bad korganizer bad bug === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai__ [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-51-23.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === produkt_ [n=produkt@pool-72-70-24-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _arthurb [n=arthurb@cpe-69-200-90-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] <_arthurb> Hi, there is a show stopper in kwifimanager from dapper, which is in the default install... it really is a big problem, it is so badly broken there is almost no point in providing the package [03:18] <_arthurb> the good news is there is on bugs.kde.org a patch for the bug [03:18] _arthurb: oh is there? bug #? [03:18] <_arthurb> the bad news is that it's not applied in dapper [03:18] <_arthurb> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123765 [03:18] KDE bug 123765 in general "Scanning isn't consistant with `sudo iwlist eth1 scanning`, even when launched as root." [Normal,Assigned] [03:19] _arthurb: this still happens on kde 3.5.2? [03:19] <_arthurb> happens on tonight's update [03:21] _arthurb: and does that patch fully work? [03:21] <_arthurb> I couldn't apply it's patch to the source, but looking at the code in the patch I think it does [03:21] mmm okay [03:22] <_arthurb> it's a fairly simple modification of the code, maybe two or three lines [03:22] <_arthurb> so merging it with the standard kubuntu patch shouldn't be a big issue [03:22] true === Hobbsee will mention to the other devs... [03:22] <_arthurb> thanks === Hobbsee doesnt trust kwifimanager anyway :P [03:23] <_arthurb> btw there are many usability issues with this package === _arthurb uses iwconfig anyway :) [03:23] _arthurb: try knetworkmanager [03:23] <_arthurb> well I have a bug with that one too :) [03:23] i know...i'm subscribed to the kdenetwork, so i see kwifimanager bugs - it's kinda depreciated anyway [03:23] what's the knm bug? [03:24] <_arthurb> yeah the code is so ugly [03:24] also, i hear that wlassistant is quite good [03:24] <_arthurb> nope a networkmanager bug [03:24] <_arthurb> it doesn't want to start [03:24] sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon? [03:25] <_arthurb> long trace :) [03:26] hmmm...filed a bug for it yet? networkmanager is not my area...and most kubuntu people dont hack into it... [03:26] back in a bit [03:26] <_arthurb> in short : NetworkManager: 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall () === caleb- [n=caleb@219-84-15-89-adsl-tpe.STATIC.so-net.net.tw] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai_ [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai_ is now known as haggai [03:39] <_arthurb> Ok, what about http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120117 [03:39] KDE bug 120117 in Audio/Video Plugin "crash when opening Setting->Configure (Due to Webcam)" [Crash,New] [03:40] <_arthurb> there is a patch too for that one and its a must fix for dapper [03:46] ArthurB: there's a patch for that? awesome! === Hobbsee will definetly whine to get that one in :P [03:47] riddell's asleep...and he's the one that controls all of that... [03:51] ur I mean... It gives me the chill that you have to whine to get that kind of patch in [03:51] eh? there's raphink, too, no? [03:51] I mean kubuntu would even consider releasing without a working kopete ??? [03:51] oh yeah [03:52] sorry, i'm freezing here, so my brain's not working too well :P [03:52] ok about that networkmanager thing I said [03:52] ArthurB: well, what i more meant was that i'm pretty new to this, especially to patching, and wouldnt want to do it wrong... [03:52] I just hadn't commented my interfaces in the conf [03:53] otherwise, i'd patch it now, and ask raphink to upload it...but i'm not really confident enough to do that :P [03:53] but... knetworkmanager IS GREAT! Whao, I hope it the default for dapper === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:53] I can help you patch it for your own use [03:53] hehe yeah, me too. it's got a main inclusion request, so hopefully that will be accepted [03:53] kwifimanager is such a piece of poopoo crap [03:54] heh i know - wonder if we can delete it... [03:54] replace it with wlassistant, if necessary [03:54] ( this is from someone who read the code ) [03:54] it was a shame compared to Os X or windows [03:55] I mean I don't blame the guy who wrote kwifimanager... I was just surprised that this was the state of the art for kde wifi connectivityt [03:55] hehe yeah [04:04] ArthurB: kwifimanager is old technology [04:04] it's been around for a looooong time [04:04] I know [04:04] it served its purpose [04:04] it needs to step aside for dbus/hal :) [04:04] waiting for solid [04:04] the only downside of the network manager series is when nobody is logged in... [04:05] if you have a WEP/WPA network, it can't log onto it without user interaction [04:05] yep.. but anyway this is a desktop computer oriented distro so [04:05] kind of annoying for laptops that double up to do some minor server work [04:05] if you really want that kind of stuff no one prevents you from running a script dameon using iwtools [04:05] right [04:05] but that's overly elaborate [04:06] and not fitting with the whole HAL/DBus/ project utopia theme [04:06] :) [04:06] hum where are live there are ~16 wireless networks available [04:06] yeah, I got 8 around me [04:06] they often go offline and online.. reception varies [04:06] now [04:06] and when they're busy, it's just a jam fest [04:06] HOW DO I TELL knetwork manager to stfu and not tell me that such or such network appeared disappeared [04:06] I hop channels on my homemade router [04:08] I guess I'll patch it for my use... but it could definitely use a silent toggle === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-79-202.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:06] ArthurB: i've just added the bug numbers to the corresponding ubuntu bugs. will wait for someone else to wake up === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@64.213.227.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] riddel! [05:47] poimen: he got disconneced a few hours ago.. [05:49] :( === NeoChaosX [n=nael@adsl-71-141-27-247.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === httpdss [n=kenny@r201-217-191-116.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst_ [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A601AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.48.158] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poimen [n=poimen@64.213.227.202] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:46] im new to bug checking and wanted to know if there is any reason why https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/32191 is still unconfirmed ,,, see last comment [07:46] Malone bug 32191 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 nvidia-glx "display errors - distorted lines" [Normal,Unconfirmed] === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.5] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD95096A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:30] hi there [10:34] raphink: hi [10:34] hi freeflying [10:35] raphink: haven't seen you long time === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] freeflying: I'm around, but I don't chat that much [10:35] :) [10:35] hi jpatrick [10:36] hi raphink [10:36] :) === raphink still have to finish translating the packagingguide to french [10:37] :s [10:37] lots of work [10:37] yep... === freeflying wonder why shall provide packageguide in desktop environment [10:38] freeflying: so people who want to contribute can find resources to do it easily === raphink launches build of kdenetwork to test the kopete fix [10:40] seems Riddell is out for the weekend :) [10:40] He has trouble's with his server [10:40] argh [10:40] that's not as nice :s [10:40] some people thought he was fired :| [10:41] haha [10:41] I can't imagine that could happen [10:41] anyway [10:41] or we'll be dead [10:41] I'm going to let my comp build [10:41] I'll bbl [10:41] as I have to clean the house === jpatrick bashes away at packguide_es [10:42] nice [10:42] Seems someone's ticked all the "Someone should review..." === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] hi \sh === jpatrick whistles at Katapult's ca templete === Sime 's kontact won't startup without crashing after updating this morning. (kmail still works). [10:49] <\sh> good morning guys :) === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] morning [10:50] morning \sh [10:50] \sh are you going to LT ? [10:51] <\sh> raphink: well, after all the happenings with kubuntu.de, and all the craziness, yes...I'll presenting together with amu the kubuntu booth [10:51] great [10:51] I think I'm going, too [10:51] I have to check bus schedules [10:51] to get to mannheim [10:52] since there's no bus going directly from Paris to Wiesbaden : [10:52] :( [10:52] <\sh> the guys from LT asked us to do it, because they don't trust the gnome people for the assoc ;) funny story :) [10:52] haha [10:52] so who's gonna be there? [10:53] <\sh> but the ubuntu e.v. assoc has to plan the booth and get all the stuff actually...that's the plan :) [10:53] ok [10:53] seems fair [10:53] <\sh> well, amu and I definitly :) [10:53] ok [10:53] good [10:53] <\sh> think zerlinna (mirjam) and czessi will come to...but we check it out [10:54] yes zerlinna is comingg [10:56] <\sh> raphink: if you are interested to help us with the presentation, please write amu a mail :)_ [10:56] \sh: can you think of a town closer to wiesbaden than mannheim? [10:57] the closest I get, the easiest [10:57] <\sh> hmm...mainz [10:58] no bus to mainz :( [10:59] <\sh> from mannheim to wiesbaden...it's 1h:30m with the train ... mainz is direct neighborhood [10:59] yes [11:00] would you be there all days ? [11:00] <\sh> looks like :0 === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [11:00] ok [11:00] I think I would come for 2 days [11:00] like 5th and 6th [11:00] otherwise the hotel will ruin my economies ;) === hiasll [n=hiasll@213-229-63-86.static.adsl-line.inode.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:01] <\sh> Hope I get the money for the two weeks freelancing work asap...have to write the invoice next week, and I hope this company pays fast :) [11:02] what company? 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[02:34] lost my connection last night, sorry :( === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] jpatrick: no worry... I had to work for my exam of this morning... [02:38] ouch === _arthurb [n=arthurb@cpe-69-200-90-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === caleb- [n=caleb@219-84-15-89-adsl-tpe.STATIC.so-net.net.tw] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-79-202.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] jpatrick: you know if that chan is archived ? [03:17] what? [03:17] this one? [03:18] OdyX: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [03:28] well well [03:28] hi Tm_T [03:29] moin [03:31] Tm_T: night :) === verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:47] hello [03:47] isn't there a beta iso? [03:47] i'm downloading flight6 now [03:48] there is [03:48] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/dapper-beta.php [03:49] yeah [03:49] just seen it [03:49] desktop cd? [03:49] espresso probably? [03:49] I think so yes [03:49] hm [03:49] me tries that one [03:49] please do :) [03:49] my laptop is getting kubuntu/amd64ified again ;) === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-157-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] guys, what's the latest verdict on if espresso-kde works in the beta? [04:47] jdong: it SHOULD. :D [04:47] :) [04:48] I've heard conflicting reports about freezes and sudden closedowns and other fun stuff [04:48] oh well [04:48] hmm [04:52] jdong: I just lost all my HD content with Flight6's === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma is now known as toma_ === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:19] _Sime: double screen settings now work with my powerbook in systemsettings :) [05:19] thanks for your work :) [05:19] <_Sime> raphink: whooohooo!!! [05:19] I mean video copy so far === _Sime fires his AK in the air to celebrate. [05:20] haven't gotten the _real_ double screen so far === _Sime is kidding, honest. [05:20] but it's already nice to be able to use a projector [05:20] :) [05:20] <_Sime> what do you mean? [05:20] <_Sime> what is working? clone mode? [05:20] <_Sime> or 'xinerama'? [05:20] yes [05:20] clone mode works [05:20] I couldn't even check the box before [05:21] now I can and it works [05:21] <_Sime> cool, clone mode is rather important for laptops (and projectors) [05:22] _Sime: ah [05:22] shouldn't have spoken that fast [05:22] it _worked_ [05:22] then the screen went off [05:22] and moving the mouse or so doesn't get it on again [05:22] 2nd screen I mean [05:22] arf :D [05:23] hmmpf [05:24] ah [05:24] and now it says it can't load the display module in systemsettings [05:25] _Sime: do you want a guidance report archive ? ;)= [05:25] ah! [05:25] for some reason, I logged on kopete [05:25] and all of a sudden, the 2nd screen went on again [05:26] raphink: use Composite ? [05:26] raphink: there's a know issue between Kopete and Composite.. [05:27] no I don't use composite [05:27] just went off again [05:32] it's like it stops sending a signal to the 2nd screen after some time === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:44] anyone using ktorrent here ? I find it takes a lot too much of memory.. [05:44] don't talk to me about too much memory [05:45] Riddell: why? [05:45] naaching out of memory killer went on a ramage on my server last night [05:45] OdyX: when you say 'errors saying me "no error"' what do that mean? [05:45] Riddell: I was unclear... [05:46] rapid translation: "Error fetching list of printers: successful-ok" [05:46] weird [05:46] when did that pop up? [05:46] which is certainly for testing purposes, but weird... [05:47] Every time I want to print... [05:47] ok [05:47] In fact, I have not added a printer with your packages, but I printed with an ever installed one. [05:48] would you mind removing cupsys with --purge then adding it again and seeing if you can add your printer ok? [05:48] Riddell: I'm trying that now... I have to print maint-guide-fr :D [05:49] <\sh> hey riddell [05:50] good afternoon \sh [05:51] Riddell: error on purging cupsys-driver-gutenprint [05:51] OdyX: from apt-get remove? [05:51] Riddell: apt-get --purge remove yep [05:51] OdyX: ah well, at least it's not a KDE error :) [05:52] Riddell: :D [05:52] Riddell: another question: why noes kubuntu-desktop reccomend gnome-gv ? it's cupsys-driver ? [05:53] s/noes/does [05:53] it does? [05:55] well... purge cupsys and install kubuntu-desktop... ... [05:56] Riddell: No... it is cupsys-driver-gutenprint... [05:57] hi Riddell [05:57] bon apres midi raphink [05:58] OdyX: hmm, I suspect a gnome user packaged that then [05:58] I do even Riddell :D [05:58] Gnome-users> Hear what Linus said! [05:59] now now, let's not start that [06:00] Riddell: I'm joking... :-> Maybe shouldn't I. [06:00] OdyX: probably ok in here, but in #kubuntu or #ubuntu you could start a riot :) [06:00] Riddell: Yeah.... I know that. [06:01] It's pretty funny... as Linus probably uses TTY1-70 and emacs. === OdyX wonders why emacs is not included in Ubuntu. [06:02] <\sh> it is [06:02] <\sh> emacs21 is the package.. [06:02] <\sh> and it is in main [06:03] \sh: yeah, but not default... [06:03] GNU-compliant ? ;-) [06:03] emacs21 is one of the first things to go off the CDs when we run out of space [06:03] Riddell: it is so big ? [06:03] linus uses uemacs [06:04] OdyX: emacs21 is the second largest package on my system. largest is openoffice [06:04] god... [06:04] <\sh> yepp..emacs is an OS for itself ;) [06:04] but you do use emacs.... :D [06:05] 44,1 MiB if installed... pretty big. [06:05] <_arthurb> how are beginners suppose to get around if emacs is not installed by default?! I'm shocked [06:05] I use emacs yes [06:05] I also use kate === nikikko [n=nikikko@lav35-1-82-236-136-47.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX uses VI. And kate. [06:06] <\sh> use vim [06:06] <_arthurb> nothing beats notepad in wine [06:06] _arthurb: sure! [06:07] <\sh> but most of the users are using kate or gedit (depeding on the flavour) only hardcore unix gurus are using vi or emacs ;) [06:07] <\sh> nowadays :) [06:07] it would be interesting to know the proportion of kate/gedit to emacs/vi users [06:07] vi is very good for things like sources.list and xorg.conf [06:07] <\sh> I'm even get stucked with mcedit :( or pico...I'm used to vi and emacs [06:08] <_arthurb> I think kate | gedit should offer a functionnality to sudo when saving a file [06:08] pico evil, non-free! [06:08] vi is very unintuitive though [06:08] <\sh> OdyX: for beginners yes....for advanced users it's quite fast for doing day to day tasks [06:08] <_arthurb> If a beginner wants to edit a configuration file for example, it will seem natural to him to open it from konqueror using kate [06:09] <_arthurb> he then will proceed to do it's modification and be very very badly surprised once he's done [06:09] <\sh> _arthurb: a beginner doesn't want to edit a configuration file...he/she wants to have a gui [06:09] _arthurb: yeah... but a beginner should NOT have to edit a configuration file. [06:09] <_arthurb> sure but sometimes they do [06:09] <_arthurb> I've installed kubuntu for many persons [06:09] well... nano does it job pretty well. [06:09] <\sh> because there is no alternative [06:09] <_arthurb> and they eventually run in this problem [06:10] So. [06:10] <\sh> e.g. .asoundrc...just writing a small utility to swap default soundcards in .asoundrc [06:10] Leaving connection, have to move the laptop to the printer. [06:10] Seeya guys. [06:10] <\sh> Riddell: oh btw... amarok + amarok-xine-engine and asoundrc/asound.conf [06:10] (and girls) [06:10] <_arthurb> (and harcore win95 users) [06:10] _arthurb: we do have Konqueror's right click "Edit as Root" item, but your way does sound nicer [06:11] <\sh> Riddell: I'm using just now a usb headset, which I set to be the default sounddevice in .asoundrc... [06:11] <\sh> when it's not there anymore (e.g. unplugged), amarok and xine-engine won't play anymore, amarok is removing the engine settings, and there is no way to adjust it to another sound hw [06:12] <_arthurb> true [06:12] <\sh> the alsa docs but says, that the application must re read /etc/asound.conf every time it's starting new [06:12] <_arthurb> the simple way would be to provide a open with "kdesu kate" === Tm_kde4 [n=kde4@62.216.105.250] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:12] <\sh> which doesn't happen for amarok and the xine engine [06:13] humm [06:13] <\sh> Riddell: any idea how we can work around this annoyance and bug? [06:14] <_arthurb> also in actions, the absence as "send as mail attachment" is puzzling... I can sign it with gpg, send it by bluetooth, put it on a data cd... but not send it with kmail... [06:15] Tm_T: have kopete-0.12 bianry package now ? [06:15] freeflying-ibook: dapper? [06:15] beta2? [06:15] Tm_T: ya [06:15] \sh: no idea I'm afraid, you'd need to poke an amarok develop [06:15] developer [06:16] Tm_T: dunna build it now [06:16] \sh: what problem with amarok? [06:16] freeflying-ibook: ? [06:16] freeflying-ibook: http://www.tm-travolta.net/kde/kopete/0.12/ [06:16] I think there's allor almost all you need [06:17] <\sh> Tm_T: it doesn't reread the xine engine settings, when you change sound hw...it's only reading the "default" which , but if you change the default via .asoundrc it doesn't reread the configs, which should happen, when you read the alsa docs [06:17] Tm_T: poor , I'd buuld it for myself , I'm using ibook now === OdyX_ [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] freeflying-ibook: ok [06:17] \sh: sounds, err, fun [06:17] bah bah [06:18] shttp is still broken in trunk [06:18] https? [06:18] <\sh> Tm_T: well, you run into it, when you are using e.g. a headset, set it to default, restart kde, and after that, remove it, default setting for usb headset is just gone...no sound anymore :) [06:18] ouch [06:19] <\sh> change .asoundrc to set another soundcard to default, restart amarok, no sound either, because it doesn't read the asound.conf again, only when you restart the whole kde session [06:19] Riddell: Ping [06:19] \sh: now in #amarok, there's makery and eean somewhat active ;) [06:19] Riddell: it does NOT work. [06:19] <\sh> i'll join fast :) [06:19] markey even [06:19] OdyX_: sigh, what's wrong? [06:20] Riddell: first of all... I cannot go sudo mode in Printer config [06:20] you shouldn't need that [06:21] \sh: I hope to address that the lack-of-a-gui-to-set-default-card in kde system settings this coming week [06:21] OK... Though at the end of adding my HP Deskjet 600... It said me something like "unable to load hplip - You hav no rights therefor, try to ..." [06:21] \sh: right now I have a rather pressing kernel->sound issue to resolve [06:22] <\sh> crimsun: I'm just hacking on a small pykde app for solving this issue locally for the user, changing .asoundrc [06:22] <\sh> crimsun: but it won't help anyone, when you have to restart the kde session to grab the new default sound card [06:23] \sh: ok, but please don't change ~/.asoundrc . That's always user-specific. Change ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf instead. I presume you're calling asoundconf? [06:23] Riddell: so? [06:25] <\sh> crimsun: the docs on alsa homepage, tells me, that the applicaiton which is using alsa should re-read every time it's started the /etc/asound.conf [06:25] <\sh> which again includes .asoundrc [06:26] \sh: yes, that's an amarok engine issue, but Ubuntu convention (thanks to Martin Pitt) is to use ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf in Dapper. [06:26] <\sh> crimsun: any docs on it? [06:26] man asoundconf [06:27] the only circumstances in which we touch ~/.asoundrc are: 1) ~/.asoundrc doesn't exist, in which case the markers are inserted and ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf included; 2) converting from older set-default-soundcard (in Breezy) syntax [06:28] <\sh> for this you have to include .asoundrc.asoundconf from your local .asoundrc [06:28] yes, just typed that [06:29] if ~/.asoundrc already exists and does not contain those markers, asoundconf will refuse to modify ~/.asoundrc* [06:29] <\sh> yeah...but it won't help amarok, without restarting the kde session, and that's the bug actually...the other thing is not a problem at all to implement (calling asoundconf) [06:29] unfortunately that's a larger infrastructure issue we can't really work around... [06:30] well...we could forcibly reload the alsa modules, but that's highly intrusive [06:30] <\sh> didn't help me [06:30] <\sh> even changing the settings in .xine/config didn't help... [06:31] OdyX: hmm, a new error to me [06:31] OdyX: i hplip installed and started? [06:31] \sh: before you reloaded, did you change the index parameters per module? [06:31] Riddell: well... default, huh ? [06:31] sudo /etc/init.d/hplip stop; sudo /etc/init.d/hplip start [06:32] <\sh> crimsun: when I reboot the laptop, with plugged in usb headset, my headset is card 0, and the on board sound hw is card 1....default in my local .asoundrc is card 0, [06:32] Riddell: OK, OK. I try again (the printer is near the routeur.... [06:32] \sh: are you using index or name syntax? [06:33] \sh: under Dapper it's far easier to use name syntax (asoundconf list) [06:33] <\sh> pcm.!default { [06:33] <\sh> type hw [06:33] <\sh> card 1 [06:33] <\sh> } [06:33] <\sh> ctl.!default { [06:33] <\sh> type hw [06:33] <\sh> card 1 [06:33] <\sh> } [06:33] <\sh> I swicthed the 0 into 1 :) and vice versa [06:34] asoundconf just needs to set two parameters, !defaults.pcm.card and !defaults.ctl.card [06:35] <\sh> which is just the same, but other format what I wrote.. [06:35] <\sh> which shouldn't make any difference... [06:36] right [06:37] if k apps aren't picking up, then something's buggered in them... [06:38] the gnome analogy is gconfaudiosink not being dynamic; the state of devices is generated only once at login [06:38] (thus hotplugging additional sound devices doesn't allow on-the-fly switching) [06:38] Riddell: [06:38] Impossible de charger le pilote demand : [06:38] Impossible de crer le pilote Foomatic [HP-DeskJet_600,hpijs] . Soit ce pilote n'existe pas, soit vous n'avez pas le droit d'effectuer cette opration. [06:39] <\sh> I have to test other sound apps in kde..to check...when it's only amarok, we are doing fine, but when all apps are not picking the settings up, we have really a little big problem [06:39] OdyX: well that's a totally new error to me :( [06:39] Impossible to load asked driver - Impossible to create driver Foomatic [...] Or it doesn't exist, or you have not the right to process this operation. [06:40] Riddell: and not only "new error", it's regression... I could before... [06:40] OdyX: you could try with gnome-cups-thing to see if it's KDE's fault of CUPS's fault [06:40] Beurk. [06:40] I can :-( [06:41] <\sh> we have a little big problem...kaffeine is behaving the same [06:41] Riddell: this make me install a lot of gnome.. :'( [06:41] Riddell: less than emacs though [06:45] <\sh> crimsun: looks like xine-engine is the problem actually... [06:45] \sh: Just received your mail on *-devel ML. Your GPG key seems expired... [06:46] <\sh> OdyX: can't :) it doesn't have an expiry date :) [06:47] \sh... Well. Kmail && KGPG complain... [06:47] <\sh> yeah see it [06:47] \sh kgpg no.. But kmail does... [06:47] bizarre. [06:48] <\sh> looks like it has problems signing attachments :) [06:48] Riddell: Well... it worked. [06:48] OdyX: gnome-cups-thing? [06:48] Riddell: yep. [06:48] foo [06:49] <\sh> letstest with a mail to myself [06:49] <\sh> could be mailman as well [06:50] Riddell: and GOD.... it is a lot easier to install a printer... I usually don't like Gnome stuff, but you should take a look. I don't know how they make it, but the printer is auto-detected, two clics... as I have a big lag on Kde stuff to get the printer list... [06:50] <\sh> Message was signed by sh@linux-server.org (Key ID: 0xC189E733C098EFA8). [06:50] <\sh> The signature is valid and the key is ultimately trusted. [06:50] <\sh> mailman [06:50] kdeprint is horribly unmaintained [06:50] Riddell: Hum... I see. Shit. [06:50] <\sh> OdyX: it's mailman the list software somehow [06:51] \sh: Well.... [06:52] <\sh> let me check with my server install of mailman :) [06:53] \sh: do you confirm bug 15485 ? [06:53] Malone bug 15485 in kdepim kmail "kmail don't ask the phrase for decipher" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/15485 [06:54] <\sh> no...it's working properly at my place..but mailman is breaking the signature of the mail after approving by listadmin [06:55] <\sh> problem with gpg-agent is, that it has to be started as session service with the xorg startup scripts.. [06:55] <\sh> same like the ssh agent stuff..that's why I don't use gpg-agent at all :) [06:56] \sh: I have to... As the bug confirms here... [06:57] \sh: just but a script launching it in ~/.kde/Autostart [06:57] s/but/put [06:57] <\sh> OdyX: did you startup the gpg-agent in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/? check the common-ssh-agent script and adjust it accordingly [06:57] <\sh> OdyX: everything else is not working with gpg-agent [06:57] \sh: well.. I except kmail does the work ALONE... [06:58] <\sh> OdyX: no [06:58] \sh which is not the case. [06:58] <\sh> OdyX: it's the same problem with ssh-agent...when not started via Xsession.d... [06:59] \sh Well.. I use gpg-agent now.. started with KDE [06:59] <\sh> OdyX: start it with X :) [06:59] \sh: I have a script... [06:59] <\sh> OdyX: it was one of my first bugs I reported when I tried out psi on hoary :) [06:59] \sh in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ [07:00] <\sh> OdyX: yeah....that's the right way :) [07:00] \sh... no script is executable in that folder !!! [07:00] <\sh> but if this is not working, then gpg-agent is uttlery broken somehow.. [07:00] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 567 2005-12-12 14:23 90gpg-agent [07:00] weird. [07:01] <\sh> well.. [07:01] <\sh> /etc/X11/xsession.options you have to enable it :) [07:01] \sh: One thing I don't understand... Shouldn't that be "automagical" ? [07:02] <\sh> OdyX: no [07:02]