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KamionMithrandir: please merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/casper/ubiquity again; sorry for the mistake12:16
Kamionjcole: no, but you can copy it from any Ubuntu CD; it's generated by the CD image build scripts12:16
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jcoleKamion: thanks12:30
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ohoelthe livecd installer seems to crash after time zone setup, and proceed spawning partman, parted_server, perfor_recipe among others12:32
ohoeldoes the installer generate any useful error logs anywhere?12:32
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ohoelis "live-installer" the correct package to file a bug against in this case (kubuntu beta livecd installer)12:39
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ohoelfiled as bug 4066612:44
UbugtuMalone bug 40666 in live-installer "Installer crashes after name setup" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4066612:44
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bddebianHi peoples02:06
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nix4mehas the slow firefox in dapper beta been reported?  i have searched launchpad and there are so many bugs against firefox with so many comments that I can't make heads or tails03:10
bluefoxicyeh03:11
bluefoxicyi'm going to try to negotiate with the q3f guys, what the hell.03:11
crimsunnix4me: yes, numerous times.03:16
nix4meok, thanks for the reply. 03:17
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mdkeanyone here to help me with a question about how to use sed?03:29
mdkeI'm trying to go through a text file to replace certain instances. I'm doing: "sed -i -e s@blah@blah@g filename03:30
mdkeand that works03:30
mdkehowever, in this particular instance, blah in the text file has inverted commas around it, and I want to include them in the expression too, but that doesn't seem to work with that command03:30
mdkeany ideas?03:30
jdongnot to steals mdke's thunder, but thanks for l-r-m 2.6.15.9-103:31
jdongthe ATI X1600 and the ipw3945 support03:32
jdongyou've made me buy a core duo :)03:32
bddebianheh03:32
jdongDapper is going to rock03:32
Chipzzhow can I file a bug against the ubuntu website?03:33
jdongcan we rename the release to the "This should keep jdong quiet for a while" release?03:33
bddebianhehe03:33
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mdkeChipzz, you can't. what is it?03:33
Chipzzmdke: packages.ubuntu.com "Search the contents of packages" not including dapper, although it works if you replace breezy with dapper in the url03:34
Chipzzquite annoying actually :/03:34
mdkeChipzz, that's not part of the ubuntu website. You need to email the maintainer of the site, his email is on the page03:34
Chipzzdone03:37
jdong40687 :)03:38
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mdkesed question answered, nm03:46
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robertjack...slashdot title "Previewing Dapper And Edgy"04:11
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Amaranthstupid xchat python04:36
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Lathiatmjg59: hrm, i'm thinking the alps could do with a slightly faster speed04:53
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intelikeySTAFF    what tod (time of day) are the repos updated ?   i'll stop my dl for that just in case.06:38
intelikeydialup makes for long down load time.....06:40
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nomedhi all07:37
nomedKamion:  around ?07:38
nomedi have a question about seeds .. it seems gdm installs gnome-session but it could even be fine with xterm|x-window-manager|x-terminal-emulator07:39
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Kamionnomed: germinate generally picks the first alternative unless another is explicitly seeded (and even then it may not reliably avoid picking the first alternative)09:32
nomedKamion: yep i got it ..09:33
nomedi see there is even a blacklist09:33
nomedi'll take a look if gnome-session is called just by gdm09:34
nomedin that case would it be possible blacklist it ?09:34
nomedor will it need to be installed as apt-get install xterm gdm for ex ?09:35
nomedwell i'll make some tests later .. and i'll ask to janimo to fix the seeds where and if needed09:38
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klepaswhere is the sabdfl09:42
klepas:)09:42
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Kamionnomed: we don't really use the blacklist any more, and I doubt it still works. easiest to explicitly seed xterm, try it, and see what happens.09:59
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nomedKamion: k10:00
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rohanthe espresso installer on the dapper beta live cd always _always_ hangs after selecting time zone. can i do some debugging for pasting in a bug report ?10:15
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_ionFirst note: it modified sources.list intelligently. The se.archive.ubuntu.com lines had breezy changed to dapper, and unofficial repositories got a # in front of them.10:36
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Keybukah, I love this time of the morning11:06
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\shKeybuk: nice weather in uk?11:07
_ionLet me guess: it's raining.11:08
Keybuknope, dreary11:08
Keybuk_ion: nah, hardly ever rains here11:08
StevenKIt mostly drizzles instead? :-P11:09
\shoh then I'm really a lucky guy, the last two days temperatures over 20 degrees C and you can see the spring's coming to germany...the women skirts are morphing into something which is most likely to named as "belt" ;)11:10
StevenK\sh: Or 'small teatowel'11:11
\shyeah :)11:11
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Keybukheh11:14
Keybukthere were lots of scantily clad pretty things at Alton Towers on Monday11:14
Keybukwhich is a shame, because it rained11:14
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StevenKNow it's getting colder here, the number of scantily-clad pretty things is very limited.11:15
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lifelessKeybuk: wet t-shirt!11:17
infinityStevenK: Does it comfort you to know that I'm not wearing pants?11:17
Keybuklifeless: there was that attraction briefly, yes11:17
Keybukbut they all went home11:17
Keybukit got wet enough that we decided to go on the water rides11:18
Keybukand the boyfriend got absolutely soaked on the flume and was grumpy for the rest of the day11:18
Keybuklol11:18
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lifelessKeybuk: haha!11:19
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StevenKlifeless: Not at all.11:19
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lifelessStevenK: ECONTEXT11:20
StevenKSorry, wrong person.11:20
StevenKinfinity: Not at all.11:20
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infinityWell, pfeh.  I'm insulted.11:21
infinityZofia's not wearing pants either, if that helps.11:21
StevenKHeh.11:21
lifelesswhat is it meant to help with :)11:21
StevenKIt's much too cold to not wear pants.11:21
infinityWith StevenK's lament about people rugging up for what Australia calls "winter".11:21
lifelessah11:22
infinityI refuse to call it winter until I see snow.11:22
lifeless.au just gets an absence of summer.11:22
lifelessnot a winter11:22
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infinityMaybe I should go to Tasmania this year for a few days.11:22
StevenKMy sisters just came back from Tasmania, actually.11:23
Keybukwe should send the Australians to Montral or Oslo for the winter11:23
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infinityKeybuk: Seems fair, since I've been forced to deal with a *lack* of winter for the last two years.11:23
infinityThey can bloody well suffer too.11:23
StevenKHah11:23
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lifelessStevenK: are you a sydneysider11:27
lifeless?11:27
infinityOh well.  I'm just hurt that I apparently don't qualify as a "pretty young thing".11:27
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StevenKlifeless: Yes.11:30
lifelessStevenK: ah. Have we met ?11:31
StevenKlifeless: Yup.11:31
lifelessheh.11:31
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StevenKlifeless: If you remember the Debsig when Jeff showed Warty, I was there.11:33
lifelessvaguely ;)11:33
StevenKlifeless: You promoted Linda to main for me.11:34
lifeless?!11:35
lifelessanyway I read that I'm confused11:35
StevenKWell, organised to have it done.11:35
lifelessoh, that I can believe11:35
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KeybukKamion: if all else fails, we could use "Pissed CD1", etc. :p11:40
KeybukKamion: I believe that the noun is "Lounge" though11:42
\shinfinity: what? you are not a "pretty young thing" anymore? welcome to the club :)11:44
Keybukoh, I don't know, infinity is quite alluring in the right light ;)11:44
\shhmm..I have to do some research, why FAI is not working on ubuntu server11:47
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\shthere's something wrong with some diverts in fai-nfsroot and the dhclient package..cost me 6 hours of time to replace ubuntu server with sarge :(11:49
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mdkeKamion, around?12:08
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mdkeDiziet, the translated homepages aren't working: I get "Can't find file file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-it_IT.html" from firefox in italian12:22
\shsame for de_DE and en_GB12:22
mdkethanks12:22
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highvoltageZnarl: ping12:49
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sivangre all01:29
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hungerMy laptop (Thinkpad T43p) no longer suspends properly in dapper (display does not come back on). Is that a known regression frem breezy or should I report this?01:59
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mdkehunger, report it. Actually, my T43 doesn't either, but it has a different video card, so file a separate bug02:02
hunger~.02:03
hungermdke: Hmmm... this is with kpowersave.02:04
hungermdke: Using "pmi action sleep" it fails to suspend and just comes back.02:05
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hungerI'd guess pmi fails due to this bluetooth stuff. Had that before.02:05
Trewashunger: my x41 requires acpi_sleep=s3_bios kernel option to get the screen back on after suspend, though it still fails to wake the sata disk succesfully with the dapper kernel (a known bug)02:08
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Znarlhighvoltage : Pong?02:10
mdkehunger, anything that doesn't work is a bug, you should file it.02:10
hungerTrewas: This used to work with breezy and it did work in dapper a couple of weeks back.02:11
mdke... so it's a bug ... go file!02:11
hungerIt is completly eratic!02:12
hungerI tried 4 times now and saw 3 different ways of suspend failing:-(02:12
Trewashunger: i just got that laptop and directly installed dapper flight 6 so I don't know how it would have worked with breezy or older dapper02:12
mdkedude, that's still a bug.02:12
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mdkethat's better.02:12
mdkeif you like, continue to discuss it on #ubuntu-laptop02:13
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mjg59Lathiat: It's fairly easy to patch02:17
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hungerDamn... I accidentally reported the bug to be on baltix (whatever that is). How do I change that again?02:23
mdkehunger, open a task on distribution: Ubuntu. Then reject the baltix one02:24
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hungerI really think twice before reporting anything on ubuntu because lp keeps confusing the hell out of me.02:26
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mdkehunger, you need to talk to #launchpad about that, not here02:28
hungerWould it be possible to decide on a more consistent naming scheme for old logfiles in ubuntu02:29
hungerSome are *.1.log, some *.log.1, some are gzipped others are not.02:29
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hungerSome have have the numbers start with 0 others with 1.02:30
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infinityhunger: That depends on if daemons use logrotate or savelog or some internal mechanism.02:32
infinityhunger: Everything using logrotate should have reasonably similar behaviour.02:32
hungerinfinity: Nope.02:35
hungerinfinity: Even the logrotate things are all different. Some compress their files, others don't. The number of files keapt seems to be more are less random.02:36
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hungerinfinity: The schedule differs, but that is understandable:-)02:38
infinityHaving some keep more than others is intentional.02:38
infinityExample of a logrotate-using package that keeps more than 3 logfiles and doesn't compress?02:38
hungerinfinity: Dunno what the default number of files is.02:40
hungerinfinity: dirmngr does not compress and uses the default number of files.02:41
infinityThen file a bug.  That's not something I have installed. :)02:41
infinity(And it's universe)02:41
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hungerinfinity: Hmmm.... why do most packages specify "compress"? Why isen't the default value used as set up in logrotate.conf?02:45
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sivangcan anybody see this issue - I'm cliking on the battery meter, and the network monitor on the upper right corner,02:52
sivangand nothing happens02:52
sivangwhen I got and right/left clikc on the panel somewhere where there are no applets,02:53
sivangit behaves as expected.02:53
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sivangveyr weird02:53
=== sivang wonders if anybody else is also seeing this.
sivanghmm, it got released now02:55
sivang*strange*02:55
sivangnice, stuck again02:56
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FjodorAm i wrong in assuming linx11-6 fiddles with iso-8859 locales instead of utf-8 ones? It seems that lib's own locales are of the iso variety, whereas other system locales are utf8?03:14
Fjodors/linx11-6/libx11-603:15
jdongsivang: I can't confirm that on my laptop or desktop running latest Dapper...03:15
jdongand speaking of laptops and batteries....03:15
jdongis there any GNOME mechanism of interacting with CPU frequency scaling, like powersaved/kpowersave for KDE?03:16
jdongI find that to be a very useful feature03:16
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sivangjdong: see if all applets are accessible and respons by cliking hem with the touch pad,03:19
sivangjdong: then, if so, leave it alone for few secs03:19
jdongyou mean tapping with the touchpad?03:19
sivangjdong: then, go to the CPU scale freq applet that show the freq03:19
sivangjdong: and give it a few taps03:20
sivangjdong: , then try to right click one of the other applets03:20
sivangjdong: yes03:20
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rohanhi all.. 03:22
highvoltagehi rohan 03:22
rohani found this critical bug with espresso -- it always ALWAYS hangs when after i select what disk as swap / boot etc.03:22
rohanhi, highvoltage 03:22
rohanso what i did is03:22
rohanstraced through it03:22
jdongsivang: certain tapping speeds will turn my cursor into a hand, and then the mouse cannot click interact with anything else03:23
mdkerohan, you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs03:23
rohanand did tail -f on another terminal03:23
jdongsivang: is this what you're seeing?03:23
rohanmdke: listen to me first. !03:23
mdkerohan, it's a saturday, you're very unlikely to find the espresso developer online03:23
rohanand on stracing, i found that the computer crashes COMPLETELY no mouse no X03:23
mdkebest to go straight to the bug tracker03:23
rohanand strace shows waitpid(somepid, someno, NOHANG)03:23
jdongrohan: we aren't all omnipotent..... your best bet is really the bug tracker....03:24
rohanwhat i want to ask is .. is there any way to get the process attached to that pid ?03:24
rohanjdong, mdke : thats what i intend to do.03:24
rohanor atleast, get more verbose strace output ?03:25
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rohanand there is no way i can attach that log since pc crashes surely03:25
sivangjdong: maybe, only I don't see the hand curosor03:25
sivangjdong: and it just hangs, until I cleck on another spot ont the panel, or just attempt to ad a new panel applet03:25
jdongsivang: I managed to get it stuck on a hand cursor permanently03:26
sivangjdong: cool, I guess I just don't get the hand curoser03:26
jdongsivang: I can't use keyboard or mouse clicks to interact with anything03:26
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sivangjdong: I wonder if this cpufreq's fault03:26
jdonginteresting thought03:26
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sivangjdong: since I tried that same scenario on al of the other applets, none of them exhibited the same behavior03:27
jdonginteresting03:27
sivang(all of those that come pre-set on the panel, that is)03:27
jdongare there any other applets that behave like cpufreq's, though03:27
jdongi.e. no single or double click actions03:27
sivanghmm03:27
jdongI have a feeling GNOME's default action takes over03:27
jdongwhich appears to be some type of move...03:27
jdongbut little random movements that seem to come with my inability to double-tap may be causing a weird situation03:28
sivangjdong: okay, this now happend to me with double clicking without tapping03:28
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sivangjdong: so it's not strictly a tapping problem I'd say03:28
zygahello03:28
jdonginteresting03:28
zygasivang: hi, how are you?03:28
jdonghi, zyga03:28
zygahey :)03:28
sivanghey zyga , am fine, been bit of sick during before and a bit after the beta03:29
zygasivang: I'm sorry to hear that03:29
sivangzyga: this is wy I was offline/ unresponsive03:29
zygahope you get better quickly03:29
sivangzyga: thanks :)03:29
zygasivang: how did you like the new glade looks?03:29
sivangzyga: re your GUI, I deferred using it for now, I made my original design packed and small such that it would fit into 1024x768, and I will most probably use your design  and aggregate on it for the next version, eventually I came to realize it caused me too much work to make it for the new one.03:30
zygaokay03:31
sivangzyga: I cherry picked the lozalization fixes, would like you to give them a go once you've got time03:31
zygasure, this evening maybe?03:31
sivangzyga: and ofcouse, tried to kep the empty labels untranslated 03:31
zygaI'm visiting parents today so no laptop with code :)03:31
sivangzyga: we can do that tomorrow even,03:32
sivangzyga: if it's more comfy to you?03:32
sivangzyga: I don't require alot of time AFAICT03:32
zygaI don't know - I'll probably be online hacking my kernel so just ping me if you need anything :)03:32
kmonanyone knows why the linux-image-2.6.15-21 is not yet in the archive?03:32
sivangzyga: okay, deal, if I see you online, I'll ping03:32
jdongkmon: I was wondering the same03:32
jdongkmon: also the l-r-m .3203:32
zygasivang: great :)03:33
kmonjdong: yes. I wanted to try the new ati fglrx driver03:33
jdongI've been anxiously waiting for a livecd image to contain both of these, so I can test it on the laptop I'm about to buy03:33
zygajdong: buy a mac :)03:33
jdongkmon: likewise; this guy's got a X140003:33
zygaubuntu fits nicely on a mac :)03:33
jdongzyga: you find me a core duo mac laptop in the $1200 range, and we'll talk :)03:33
zygahehe03:33
jdongzyga: I love macs. I really do. I just can't justify the price to myself03:34
zygaI'm aiming for ibook g4 after they release mac book replacement for ibooks03:34
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zygathey'll be cheap and nice :D03:34
jdongzyga: a G4 vs a core duo? ;)03:34
zygajdong: sure, g4 is all I ever need in a laptop03:34
zygathe only thing better in the core duo is probably battery life if they managed to crank that 1/2 the laptop-size battery03:35
jdongzyga: I'd say the same; but I do need a SMP system....03:35
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zyga(note: g4 has really really small battery)03:35
jdongzyga: single core systems don't keep up with my multitasking03:35
sivangt43p especially :)03:35
zyga:-)03:35
jdongsivang: my 2nd pick was a lenovo...03:35
sivangjdong: what kind of multi tasking are you doing?03:35
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kmonI recently bought a turion03:35
zygafor whooping 30$03:35
zyga:D03:35
jdongsivang: parallel, time-intensive jobs03:36
kmonnice chip03:36
zyganow I need to wait till a mobo shows up03:36
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jdongsivang: I can feel desktop performance lag from when I'm x264 encoding03:36
jdongeven with -ck + preempt 03:36
sivangshould I have aimed for Core Duo ?03:36
sivangjdong: what's this about?03:36
zygageez h264 on laptop?03:36
jdongsivang: right now, core duos are the best deal out there03:36
sivangwhat's x264?03:36
zygajdong: h264 or x264?03:37
sivang-ck = asian language support?03:37
jdongsivang: h.264 aka MPEG-4 AVC.03:37
zygaright :)03:37
sivangah, divx03:37
sivang:-)03:37
jdongsivang: x264 = open source implementation03:37
jdongin Dapper :)03:37
zygawe decode SD h264 stream on 100MHz CPU :-)03:37
zyganote: there is no typo03:37
jdongand -ck are Con Koliva's performance patchsets to the kernel03:37
jdongzyga: idn; quicktime HD trailers bring my A64 3000+ to its knees03:38
kmonjdong: does the ubuntu kernel include Con kolivas patches?03:38
jdongkmon: no.03:38
zygajdong: memory performance, cpu performance probably the former03:38
jdongkmon: these patches improve responsiveness. How they affect overall performance is somewhat disputed03:38
zygaHD needs gobs of GB/s03:38
kmonjdong: thanxs :)03:39
jdongzyga: and dual channel 533MHz seeems pretty good for that :)03:39
sivangoh man, how do I install it?03:39
zygajdong: frankly I don't want to watch HD on my laptop, I've got enouhg HD at work :)03:39
jdongsivang: mencoder/mplayer/xine all understand h264 streams. mencoder can encode to it03:39
sivangah, so I already have it :)03:39
sivangwith mplaer03:39
jdongzyga: I know. Just an extreme case. Most DivX quality h264's work great03:39
jdongsivang: yep :). Gotta love Ubuntu03:40
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jdongI'm really impressed with the h264 codec03:40
jdongI can comfortably encode at 30-40% lower bitrates than xvid/divx/lavc mpeg403:40
zygajdong: does mplayer implement the entire h264 spec or just the baseline?03:40
jdongzyga: I am unsure. It uses libavcodec to decode.03:40
zygajust curious03:41
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zygame too but job requires pretty good knowledge of that stuff :)03:41
jdong:)03:41
jdongbut either way, the core duo (and core's in general) are great chips03:42
jdongthe entry level one (1.66GHz) is just simply a bargain03:42
zygaat least basic understanding for everyone, even if I never touch the h264 decoder myself03:42
zygajdong: frankly amd has better dual core cpus03:42
zygaand core duo is just cheap03:42
jdongzyga: :-/. It's being threatened right now.03:42
zygaperformance wise dual core sucks as hell03:42
mdkeguys, this is seriously offtopic03:42
jdonglol03:42
zyga-> #u-offtopic03:43
mdkethe developers often try and read the scrollback from this channel, try and keep it clean03:43
jdongI need to get going anyway... got work to do today03:43
jdongtake care, everyone03:43
sivangjdong: laters03:43
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sivanginfinity: I just wonder if those core duo thingy provide real performance boost overall and would feel different then a Sonoma T43p machine..03:44
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hungersivang: Depends on what you do.03:44
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zygaguys guys03:45
zygalet's go to #ubuntu-offtopic, mdke is right03:45
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sivangmdke: oops, sorry!03:46
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bddebianHowdy04:14
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highvoltagehi, where can i get ubuntu.ttf again?04:16
bddebianHello highvoltage.   I don't have a clue, sorry04:17
highvoltagehello bddebian. ok, np.04:17
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highvoltagei found ploum!04:18
highvoltage:)04:18
Treenaksuhr no, he found you :)04:18
ploum:-)04:18
highvoltagehmmm.. a regulare chuck norris04:18
Treenaksploum = Chuck? oh no!04:18
ploumI counted to infinity04:18
ploumtwice04:18
highvoltagehehe04:18
highvoltageploum sleeps with the lights on... because the dark is afraid of him04:19
bddebianhaha04:19
ploumif only it could be true with bugs...  that would be awesome 04:20
jdubploum: you sleep with the bugs on?04:21
TreenaksWhen ploum approaches, all software bugs disappear: you don't bug ploum.04:21
ploumjdub: not that much...04:21
ploumand they are friendly after all04:22
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ploumTreenaks: it seems that my father is the opposite. when he seats in front of a computer, the computer crashes !04:23
ploumLast time, he started his old laptop : the gnome top panel was at the bottom, under the normal bottom panel04:24
ploumI don't even know it was possible !04:24
Treenaksploum: That's why we make Gnome for our mothers, not our fathers... my father has the same effect on computers04:25
Robot101you can just drag them around and make as many as you want :P04:25
ploumRobot101: but doing it just by booting the computer without even touching the mouse is a proof of some psychic power (it was shutdown last time by me, so it wasn't done before)04:26
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ploumI've just helped someone with Gnome 2.8 this thursday.04:33
ploumWow !04:33
ploumGnome 2.8 is so yesterday !04:33
ploumI can believe I used it and was happy with it !04:33
azeemI'm still using it at the uni04:34
giftnudeloh, we have gnome 1.* at our university04:35
giftnudel(on solaris)04:35
ploumgiftnudel: that is old, indeed..04:37
ploumI just started with  Gnome 1.4 on Woody04:37
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jdongguys, mdke is going to get really upset.... :)04:40
Lathiatploum: what was the one before that?04:41
Lathiat(woody)04:41
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jdong:)04:43
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bddebian\sh!!04:54
\shhey bddebian04:55
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zakamehello \sh! bddebian! =D04:56
\shhoi zakame04:57
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wasabi_So who was working on an arm port? :)06:02
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_ionBeagle was --purge removed quite quickly from my dad's laptop after it ate all the RAM (512 MiB) and swap (800 MiB). :-)06:05
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tsengit would be nice if all the people complaining about high memory usage would get with upstream and debug06:07
tsengand not make extremely vauge comments about it06:07
_ionIf i personally wanted to use it, i'd start debugging it.06:08
Robot101tseng: why? if the solution they all arrive at is to remove beagle, then they're obviously not that concerned about whether or not they use it.06:08
tsengRobot101: I guess.06:08
MithrandirRobot101: upstream might have an interest in fixing it, though06:08
Robot101if they kept using it and kept complaining, it would be good to expect them to help fix it :)06:09
tsengit happens to be an SoC item for someone to spend the summer profiling and reducing usage, luckily06:09
_iontseng: Nice.06:10
tsengyeah, I hope someone runs with that06:12
tsengbecause it seems to be becoming more and more of a corner case, my system only uses 70mb or so between all the beagle threads06:13
tsengwhich is "too much" if you have 256 probably, but not that bad for me06:14
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tsengis not locking the screen on System - Logout - Sleep a bug or a feature?06:16
giftnudelthe live cd has a problem when it needs swap and wants to install the system - the default is to format swap ... well if you don't have enough ram, your screwed then06:16
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tsengMithrandir: known bug, espresso install did put a resume= in my grub config?06:20
Lathiatdid or didnt06:20
tsengdid not06:20
Lathiati have an open bug about that06:21
tsenggreat.06:21
Lathiat https://launchpad.net/bugs/4060906:21
UbugtuMalone bug 40609 in initramfs-tools acpi-support "Dell Precision M20: Does not attempt resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  06:21
tsengagainst grub or installer?06:21
tsengok, thanks06:21
Lathiatits supposed to be in some initramfs config file apaprently06:21
Lathiatwhich doesnt seem to get created06:21
tsengnice to see my alp touchpad really working now06:22
tsengwas that your doing?06:23
giftnudelwill the live cd look for swap partitions if I don't have enough memory?06:23
tritiumLathiat: /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume is empty or not present?06:23
Lathiatnot present06:25
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Mithrandirgiftnudel: yes07:12
giftnudelMithrandir: live cd/swap answer?07:12
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Mithrandirgiftnudel: yes07:12
giftnudelthx07:12
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rohani finally installed using espresso the 6th time around07:25
rohanso problem is, that it failed on installing grub. so now i have the complete system, but no grub. how do i "reinstall" it ?07:26
rohanit didnt create menu.lst nor grub/ directory in /boot07:26
rohanand it was meant to use /dev/hda2 for /boot but its using a directory /boot on the root partition07:26
rohanso i have grub from another distro and can go into ubuntu, but how do i install grub "The Debian way" ?07:27
\shapt-get install grub07:28
\shand then do the grub-install run or whatever...but it should install grub by default07:29
rohan\sh: that will create the proper grub/ dir in /boot ?07:29
rohanand how do i 'migrate' my /boot to another dir i.e. /dev/hda2 ?07:29
\shonly the stages of grub are installed in /boot/grub/ the bootloader itself is being installed in mbr or on the first partition07:30
rohanok07:31
rohanso how do i 'migrate' my /boot to another dir i.e. /dev/hda2 ?07:31
\shrohan: you don't07:31
rohan:|07:32
\sh /dev/hda2 is not a dir07:32
rohancant i ? 07:32
\shit's a device07:32
rohan\sh: yea yea i will make ext2 on /dev/hda2 and all07:32
rohanbut then how do i "tell" it that /dev/hda2 is my boot ? fstab ?07:32
\shwell, you have to install then a bootloader on /dev/hda1 or in the mbr of your boot harddrive07:32
rohanok, bbl07:33
rohanlets see07:33
\shhmmm...looks like that he didn't understand the purpose of a boot loader07:34
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rohan\sh: ping07:48
\shrohan: pong07:50
rohan\sh: now it gives a gpg error after apt-get update :S07:50
\shhum?07:50
rohanand, oh joy, ubuntu-live was not apt-get remove'd07:51
\shwhich repositories do you have in sources.list?07:51
rohanand "rohan<TAB>ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL"07:51
rohanhow is that line incorrect ?07:51
rohan\sh: the defualt, i uncommented uni and multi verse07:51
\shlooks like that your installation went wrong somehow07:52
rohanafter failing 6 times, i am not really surprized to hear that07:52
rohanand, as i said, the install just died -- no reason, no option to salvage it07:52
rohan\sh: i reinstall'ed grub, it did not put stages in /boot and neither was menu.lst created07:53
rohannow how do i re-create grub files07:54
rohanboohoo :S07:54
\shfirst of all, you installed it via espresso right?07:54
rohanyes, which failed 5 times, and worked upto copying files on the 6th07:55
\shtry the normal install cd (dapper) then if you want to have a working system, or file bugs in malone (launchpad) against the espresso package07:56
rohanbut this system is working07:56
rohanbandwidth is really low in india, i cant download iso's everyday :907:57
rohan:(07:57
rohanwhat does espresso usually do after installing grub ?07:57
rohanapt-get remove ubuntu-live ?07:57
\sh.oO( i have to test the live cd installer tomorrow...oh wow my time schedule just went mad for tomorrow :()07:58
\shrohan: to be honest, I didn't have the time to test the live installer ... but promised, I'll test it tomorrow evening...07:58
rohan\sh: test it on a p3 550mhz i810 256mb ram :)07:59
\shrohan: the only machine I can test here is the canonical laptop (toshibe portege r200, 512mb, 60 gb, i915, no cd drive) :)08:00
\shand that's the machine I have to test anyways...:)08:00
rohanwow, wish i had something like _that_08:00
=== rohan is jealous
rohanand ^^ is the only pc i have .. p3 550mhz .. lol a joke ;)08:00
\shbelieve me, everybody will bug you what this machine is, and how small it is...and then you have to say: "But pbuilding packages on this machines nerves ":))08:01
rohan:o even :)08:02
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rohanwow, i really _must_ reinstall using the install cd08:02
rohanunfortunaltely08:03
rohansee more errors08:03
rohanhang one, installing gpm08:03
G0SUB_rohan: hello ...08:03
rohanG0SUB_: oh, hi, we meet again :)08:03
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rohanreally, is there any way to salvage this broken install, or do i just reinstall using the text installer ?08:04
G0SUB_rohan: again? when did we meet earlier? I am sorry I have a bad short term memory :)08:04
rohanG0SUB_: #ubuntu-in when you lectured me why me must use GNU/Linux and not Linux or linux08:04
rohanUse of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108.08:04
rohanwhat error is _that_ ?08:05
G0SUB_rohan: heh, and you left after that ?08:05
G0SUB_rohan: that's just an warning ... you can ignore that08:05
rohanG0SUB_: no, i dont really have time to be on irc .. exams in a month08:05
rohanbut, i have this strange s:save_cpo icon on my desktop08:05
G0SUB_hmm, ok08:05
rohani cant find it in fstab ... no such mount08:06
rohanand its 500mb big08:06
rohan464.808:06
rohanwhat is this s:save_cpo08:06
rohanoops, no its just increasing !! its 3gb now08:07
rohanoh _LOL_ its a legit mount08:08
rohanbut its being named as s:save08:09
rohanand not /mnt/hda108:09
rohanok, i am off08:09
rohanif someone has solutions please memo :S08:09
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catskulanyone know what the name of the package is which contains the network "monitor applet" ?09:00
catskuler... "network monitor" applet09:00
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pitticatskul: gnome-netstatus-applet ?09:03
pittihi jane_ 09:03
\shhey pitti...give me a short introduction into asoundconf pls :)09:04
catskulpitti, thanks. Ill check on that09:04
\shgood evening jane :)09:04
pittihey \sh 09:04
pitti\sh: it's mainly designed as a backend tool09:04
\shpitti: yes...and I'm hacking on a kde frontend tool for asoundrc :)09:04
pitti\sh: the manpage says it all, really, it's pretty shallow; it just adds/removes/checks stuff in ~/.asoundrc.asoudconf09:05
pitti\sh: oooh, similar to the audio selector in gnome?09:05
\shso...if I want to change the default card (card 0) to card 1 09:05
\shI do asoundconf set default.pcm.card 1 or with the name?09:05
pitti\sh: yep, setting the default sound card is the only thing we use it for now09:05
pitti\sh: we used the number up to breezy, but using the name is better09:05
pitti\sh: since it makes us independent of sound card ordering09:06
pitti\sh: however, the current gnome tool has a bug I still need to fix09:06
\shpitti: ok...then I have a problem :)09:06
crimsunpitti: btw, gnome-sound-properties (source: gnome-control-center) needs to set defaults.ctl.card, too09:06
pitti\sh: you should set default.ctl.card to the same value as pcm09:06
pitticrimsun: ^ :)09:06
\shthe usb headset I'm using is named always "default" but changes the card number :)09:06
pitticrimsun: yep, it's on my list of stuff to fix, for far too long, I admit09:06
pitti\sh: really? aplay -l shows 'default' as the name? weird09:07
\shpitti: yes..09:07
\shshermann@toshiba-laptop:~/Projekte/kasound$ cat /proc/asound/cards09:07
\sh0 [ICH6           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH609:07
\sh                     Intel ICH6 with AD1981B at 0x32080400, irq 16909:07
\sh1 [default        ] : USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set09:07
\sh                     C-Media USB Headphone Set   at usb-0000:00:1d.3-2, full speed09:07
pitti*shaking head*09:08
crimsunpitti: I'm working through alsa-utils, will have a tiny debian/init addition to apply for Via82xx users so they'll have audible sound out-of-the-box. I'll coordinate with Thomas on alsaconf if you haven't already taken it, too.09:08
\shand depending on the mood of modules autoload sometimes default is 0 and sometimes 109:08
\shpitti: if you are curious....saturn 20 eur usb headset of cmedia...the cheapest you can get :)09:09
pitti\sh: I bought a logitech usb headset a while ago, when I wrote this selector :)09:10
\shbut it works even with skype on dapper :)09:10
\shpitti: hehe...yeah it's one of the expensive ones :)09:10
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Chipzzcould I ask a question about python-apt here?09:59
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ForzaPalermohey can somoene help me, i am having problems with dapper thah ti just installed10:07
highvoltageForzaPalermo: best to ask in #ubuntu10:08
ForzaPalermoi did no one is helping me :(10:08
highvoltagesometimes you just need to be a little patient :)10:09
mdkeForzaPalermo, forums/mailing lists are good too10:09
Chipzzwhere could I ask a python-apt question? (sorry for repeating myself :P)10:10
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Riddell\sh: cool :)  are you going to make it a guidance module?10:39
\shRiddell: let me hack one version first, then we can test it...problem is that kde apps are not reloading the settings from asound.conf10:40
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Riddell\sh: killall amarok should sort that out :)10:42
\shRiddell: no :(10:43
\shRiddell: the xine engine is the problem:)10:43
Riddellit needs X killed?10:43
\shtotal session restart10:43
\shwell...I have more problems with usb headsets :)10:44
\she.g. shortcutting the usb bus :) kernel doesn't unload the usb modules...and reinit of modules-init-tools doesn't help...shortcut is done via "laying in bed, and somehow the knee is beding the usb plug" ;)10:46
\shbeding10:46
\shbending i mean..10:46
Riddell"click here to reboot", very windows 9510:50
_ionriddell: Not until the BSOD.10:50
robertjbtw, does anyone else think that there shouldn't be an update & reboot icon at the same time for update manager?10:52
\shgood night gentlemen11:05
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bddebianHeya folks11:50
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