=== human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Phlosten [n=Phlosten@CPE-60-229-105-171.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] Mithrandir: please merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/casper/ubiquity again; sorry for the mistake [12:16] jcole: no, but you can copy it from any Ubuntu CD; it's generated by the CD image build scripts === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] Kamion: thanks === ohoel [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] the livecd installer seems to crash after time zone setup, and proceed spawning partman, parted_server, perfor_recipe among others [12:32] does the installer generate any useful error logs anywhere? === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] is "live-installer" the correct package to file a bug against in this case (kubuntu beta livecd installer) === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] filed as bug 40666 [12:44] Malone bug 40666 in live-installer "Installer crashes after name setup" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40666 === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ohoel [n=ubuntu@ti400720a081-10046.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.157.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_ [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8B02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-84-29.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KOnsumer [i=konsumer@87.193.34.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KOnsumer [i=konsumer@87.193.34.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] Hi peoples === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked__ [i=ispiked@Brag-11-153.rh.ncsu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arr0gance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-122.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] has the slow firefox in dapper beta been reported? i have searched launchpad and there are so many bugs against firefox with so many comments that I can't make heads or tails [03:11] eh [03:11] i'm going to try to negotiate with the q3f guys, what the hell. [03:16] nix4me: yes, numerous times. [03:17] ok, thanks for the reply. === jcape [i=jcape@c-67-175-222-206.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathrick is now known as mathrick|sleep [03:29] anyone here to help me with a question about how to use sed? [03:30] I'm trying to go through a text file to replace certain instances. I'm doing: "sed -i -e s@blah@blah@g filename [03:30] and that works [03:30] however, in this particular instance, blah in the text file has inverted commas around it, and I want to include them in the expression too, but that doesn't seem to work with that command [03:30] any ideas? [03:31] not to steals mdke's thunder, but thanks for l-r-m 2.6.15.9-1 [03:32] the ATI X1600 and the ipw3945 support [03:32] you've made me buy a core duo :) [03:32] heh [03:32] Dapper is going to rock [03:33] how can I file a bug against the ubuntu website? [03:33] can we rename the release to the "This should keep jdong quiet for a while" release? [03:33] hehe === jdong hops on launchpad [03:33] Chipzz, you can't. what is it? [03:34] mdke: packages.ubuntu.com "Search the contents of packages" not including dapper, although it works if you replace breezy with dapper in the url [03:34] quite annoying actually :/ [03:34] Chipzz, that's not part of the ubuntu website. You need to email the maintainer of the site, his email is on the page [03:37] done [03:38] 40687 :) === haggai_ [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] sed question answered, nm === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:11] ack...slashdot title "Previewing Dapper And Edgy" === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8B02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pschulz01 [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:36] stupid xchat python === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] mjg59: hrm, i'm thinking the alps could do with a slightly faster speed === jlj [n=agp@h460c7c4d.area2.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holy_cow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@ppp-70-247-175-142.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi__ [n=wasabi@c-24-0-138-81.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svaksha [n=svaksha@unaffiliated/svaksha] has joined #ubuntu-devel === intelikey [n=root@0-2pool242-153.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:38] STAFF what tod (time of day) are the repos updated ? i'll stop my dl for that just in case. [06:40] dialup makes for long down load time..... === intelikey [n=root@0-2pool242-153.nas23.houston4.tx.us.da.qwest.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["] === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tim [n=tim@c-68-35-235-199.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dsas [n=dean@host81-158-83-28.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A601AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.48.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.55.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] hi all [07:38] Kamion: around ? [07:39] i have a question about seeds .. it seems gdm installs gnome-session but it could even be fine with xterm|x-window-manager|x-terminal-emulator === j^ [n=j@e178051165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wooster1168 [n=josh@24.115.218.54.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === klepas [n=klepas@10.66.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dzonni [n=dzonni@217-159-219-166-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.5] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] nomed: germinate generally picks the first alternative unless another is explicitly seeded (and even then it may not reliably avoid picking the first alternative) [09:33] Kamion: yep i got it .. [09:33] i see there is even a blacklist [09:34] i'll take a look if gnome-session is called just by gdm [09:34] in that case would it be possible blacklist it ? [09:35] or will it need to be installed as apt-get install xterm gdm for ex ? [09:38] well i'll make some tests later .. and i'll ask to janimo to fix the seeds where and if needed === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] where is the sabdfl [09:42] :) === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] nomed: we don't really use the blacklist any more, and I doubt it still works. easiest to explicitly seed xterm, try it, and see what happens. === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD95096A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] Kamion: k === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === j^ [n=j@e178051165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-095-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rohan [n=ubuntu@59.182.31.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:15] the espresso installer on the dapper beta live cd always _always_ hangs after selecting time zone. can i do some debugging for pasting in a bug report ? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rohan [n=ubuntu@59.182.31.163] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _ion [i=johan@kiviniemi.name] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _ion is upgrading a breezy box to dapper with update-manager. [10:36] <_ion> First note: it modified sources.list intelligently. The se.archive.ubuntu.com lines had breezy changed to dapper, and unofficial repositories got a # in front of them. === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uniq [n=frode@81.26.52.3] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.94.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d58-105-36-34.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] ah, I love this time of the morning === mh21 [n=mh21@ip54576d93.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] <\sh> Keybuk: nice weather in uk? [11:08] <_ion> Let me guess: it's raining. [11:08] nope, dreary [11:08] _ion: nah, hardly ever rains here [11:09] It mostly drizzles instead? :-P [11:10] <\sh> oh then I'm really a lucky guy, the last two days temperatures over 20 degrees C and you can see the spring's coming to germany...the women skirts are morphing into something which is most likely to named as "belt" ;) [11:11] \sh: Or 'small teatowel' [11:11] <\sh> yeah :) === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] heh [11:14] there were lots of scantily clad pretty things at Alton Towers on Monday [11:14] which is a shame, because it rained === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2AAF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD557AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mh21 [n=mh21@ip54576d93.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j^ [n=j@e178051165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dzonni [n=dzonni@217-159-219-166-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === klepas [n=klepas@10.66.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=nomed@host222-194.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madduck [n=madduck@seamus.madduck.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz [n=vuntz@fennas.vuntz.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock_away [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diziet [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@n128-227-50-237.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=karl@bb-82-108-14-161.ukonline.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robot101 [n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xappe [i=xappe@destiny2.et2605.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee_ [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] Now it's getting colder here, the number of scantily-clad pretty things is very limited. === Xappe [i=xappe@destiny2.et2605.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] Keybuk: wet t-shirt! [11:17] StevenK: Does it comfort you to know that I'm not wearing pants? [11:17] lifeless: there was that attraction briefly, yes [11:17] but they all went home [11:18] it got wet enough that we decided to go on the water rides [11:18] and the boyfriend got absolutely soaked on the flume and was grumpy for the rest of the day [11:18] lol === klepas [n=klepas@10.66.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] Keybuk: haha! === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] lifeless: Not at all. === bytee__ [n=byte@pentafluge.infradead.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] StevenK: ECONTEXT [11:20] Sorry, wrong person. [11:20] infinity: Not at all. === dzonni [n=dzonni@217-159-219-166-dsl.est.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] Well, pfeh. I'm insulted. [11:21] Zofia's not wearing pants either, if that helps. [11:21] Heh. [11:21] what is it meant to help with :) [11:21] It's much too cold to not wear pants. [11:21] With StevenK's lament about people rugging up for what Australia calls "winter". [11:22] ah [11:22] I refuse to call it winter until I see snow. [11:22] .au just gets an absence of summer. [11:22] not a winter === LaserJoc1_away [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] Maybe I should go to Tasmania this year for a few days. [11:23] My sisters just came back from Tasmania, actually. [11:23] we should send the Australians to Montral or Oslo for the winter === StevenK had to deal with Sydney airport on a Friday night. [11:23] Keybuk: Seems fair, since I've been forced to deal with a *lack* of winter for the last two years. [11:23] They can bloody well suffer too. [11:23] Hah === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] StevenK: are you a sydneysider [11:27] ? [11:27] Oh well. I'm just hurt that I apparently don't qualify as a "pretty young thing". === infinity goes to be emo about it on LiveJournal or something. === haggai [n=halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] lifeless: Yes. [11:31] StevenK: ah. Have we met ? [11:31] lifeless: Yup. [11:31] heh. === StevenK feels his feet begin to thaw out. [11:33] lifeless: If you remember the Debsig when Jeff showed Warty, I was there. [11:33] vaguely ;) [11:34] lifeless: You promoted Linda to main for me. [11:35] ?! [11:35] anyway I read that I'm confused [11:35] Well, organised to have it done. [11:35] oh, that I can believe === benmat [n=benmat@116.153.216.81.lby.static.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] Kamion: if all else fails, we could use "Pissed CD1", etc. :p [11:42] Kamion: I believe that the noun is "Lounge" though [11:44] <\sh> infinity: what? you are not a "pretty young thing" anymore? welcome to the club :) [11:44] oh, I don't know, infinity is quite alluring in the right light ;) [11:47] <\sh> hmm..I have to do some research, why FAI is not working on ubuntu server === mathrick|sleep is now known as mathrick === shawn_work [n=spstarr@192.219.104.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] <\sh> there's something wrong with some diverts in fai-nfsroot and the dhclient package..cost me 6 hours of time to replace ubuntu server with sarge :( === benmat_ [n=benmat@116.153.216.81.lby.static.siw.siwnet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ploum [n=Ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Xappe [i=xappe@destiny2.et2605.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] Kamion, around? === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.109] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] Diziet, the translated homepages aren't working: I get "Can't find file file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-it_IT.html" from firefox in italian [12:22] <\sh> same for de_DE and en_GB [12:22] thanks === mdke emails === dedi_tom [i=Dedi@149.135.32.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dedi_tom [i=Dedi@149.135.32.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === KOnsumer [i=konsumer@87.193.17.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] Znarl: ping === inetpro [n=inetpro@196-30-109-54.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === inetpro [n=inetpro@196-30-109-54.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] re all === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patrick_ [n=patrick@152.Red-88-14-90.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] My laptop (Thinkpad T43p) no longer suspends properly in dapper (display does not come back on). Is that a known regression frem breezy or should I report this? === _mendred [n=mendred@59.92.39.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] hunger, report it. Actually, my T43 doesn't either, but it has a different video card, so file a separate bug [02:03] ~. [02:04] mdke: Hmmm... this is with kpowersave. [02:05] mdke: Using "pmi action sleep" it fails to suspend and just comes back. === hunger wonders what kpowersave uses. [02:05] I'd guess pmi fails due to this bluetooth stuff. Had that before. [02:08] hunger: my x41 requires acpi_sleep=s3_bios kernel option to get the screen back on after suspend, though it still fails to wake the sata disk succesfully with the dapper kernel (a known bug) === mendred_ [n=mendred@59.92.50.91] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] highvoltage : Pong? [02:10] hunger, anything that doesn't work is a bug, you should file it. [02:11] Trewas: This used to work with breezy and it did work in dapper a couple of weeks back. [02:11] ... so it's a bug ... go file! [02:12] It is completly eratic! [02:12] I tried 4 times now and saw 3 different ways of suspend failing:-( [02:12] hunger: i just got that laptop and directly installed dapper flight 6 so I don't know how it would have worked with breezy or older dapper [02:12] dude, that's still a bug. === hunger is of writting a bugreport [02:12] that's better. [02:13] if you like, continue to discuss it on #ubuntu-laptop === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mendred_ [n=mendred@59.92.57.141] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Lathiat: It's fairly easy to patch === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === _mendred__ [n=mendred@59.92.39.194] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:23] Damn... I accidentally reported the bug to be on baltix (whatever that is). How do I change that again? [02:24] hunger, open a task on distribution: Ubuntu. Then reject the baltix one === hunger hates launchpad. === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.53.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] I really think twice before reporting anything on ubuntu because lp keeps confusing the hell out of me. === bpuccio [n=brian@ool-457a9c38.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] hunger, you need to talk to #launchpad about that, not here [02:29] Would it be possible to decide on a more consistent naming scheme for old logfiles in ubuntu [02:29] Some are *.1.log, some *.log.1, some are gzipped others are not. === _mendred [n=mendred@59.92.37.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:30] Some have have the numbers start with 0 others with 1. === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] hunger: That depends on if daemons use logrotate or savelog or some internal mechanism. [02:32] hunger: Everything using logrotate should have reasonably similar behaviour. [02:35] infinity: Nope. [02:36] infinity: Even the logrotate things are all different. Some compress their files, others don't. The number of files keapt seems to be more are less random. === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] infinity: The schedule differs, but that is understandable:-) [02:38] Having some keep more than others is intentional. [02:38] Example of a logrotate-using package that keeps more than 3 logfiles and doesn't compress? [02:40] infinity: Dunno what the default number of files is. [02:41] infinity: dirmngr does not compress and uses the default number of files. [02:41] Then file a bug. That's not something I have installed. :) [02:41] (And it's universe) === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] infinity: Hmmm.... why do most packages specify "compress"? Why isen't the default value used as set up in logrotate.conf? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] can anybody see this issue - I'm cliking on the battery meter, and the network monitor on the upper right corner, [02:52] and nothing happens [02:53] when I got and right/left clikc on the panel somewhere where there are no applets, [02:53] it behaves as expected. === G0SUB_ [i=ghoseb@2001:5c0:8f54:1:0:0:2:1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:53] veyr weird === sivang wonders if anybody else is also seeing this. [02:55] hmm, it got released now [02:55] *strange* [02:56] nice, stuck again === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.24.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] Am i wrong in assuming linx11-6 fiddles with iso-8859 locales instead of utf-8 ones? It seems that lib's own locales are of the iso variety, whereas other system locales are utf8? [03:15] s/linx11-6/libx11-6 [03:15] sivang: I can't confirm that on my laptop or desktop running latest Dapper... [03:15] and speaking of laptops and batteries.... [03:16] is there any GNOME mechanism of interacting with CPU frequency scaling, like powersaved/kpowersave for KDE? [03:16] I find that to be a very useful feature === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host161-82.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] jdong: see if all applets are accessible and respons by cliking hem with the touch pad, [03:19] jdong: then, if so, leave it alone for few secs [03:19] you mean tapping with the touchpad? [03:19] jdong: then, go to the CPU scale freq applet that show the freq [03:20] jdong: and give it a few taps [03:20] jdong: , then try to right click one of the other applets [03:20] jdong: yes === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong tries sivang's silly tapping routine :) === rohan [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/rohan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] hi all.. [03:22] hi rohan [03:22] i found this critical bug with espresso -- it always ALWAYS hangs when after i select what disk as swap / boot etc. [03:22] hi, highvoltage [03:22] so what i did is [03:22] straced through it [03:23] sivang: certain tapping speeds will turn my cursor into a hand, and then the mouse cannot click interact with anything else [03:23] rohan, you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs [03:23] and did tail -f on another terminal [03:23] sivang: is this what you're seeing? [03:23] mdke: listen to me first. ! [03:23] rohan, it's a saturday, you're very unlikely to find the espresso developer online [03:23] and on stracing, i found that the computer crashes COMPLETELY no mouse no X [03:23] best to go straight to the bug tracker [03:23] and strace shows waitpid(somepid, someno, NOHANG) [03:24] rohan: we aren't all omnipotent..... your best bet is really the bug tracker.... [03:24] what i want to ask is .. is there any way to get the process attached to that pid ? [03:24] jdong, mdke : thats what i intend to do. [03:25] or atleast, get more verbose strace output ? === kagou [n=kagou@84.7.25.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] and there is no way i can attach that log since pc crashes surely [03:25] jdong: maybe, only I don't see the hand curosor [03:25] jdong: and it just hangs, until I cleck on another spot ont the panel, or just attempt to ad a new panel applet [03:26] sivang: I managed to get it stuck on a hand cursor permanently [03:26] jdong: cool, I guess I just don't get the hand curoser [03:26] sivang: I can't use keyboard or mouse clicks to interact with anything === erez [n=erez@CBL217-132-68-118.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] jdong: I wonder if this cpufreq's fault [03:26] interesting thought === jdong wonders if it happens with any other applet [03:27] jdong: since I tried that same scenario on al of the other applets, none of them exhibited the same behavior [03:27] interesting [03:27] (all of those that come pre-set on the panel, that is) [03:27] are there any other applets that behave like cpufreq's, though [03:27] i.e. no single or double click actions [03:27] hmm [03:27] I have a feeling GNOME's default action takes over [03:27] which appears to be some type of move... [03:28] but little random movements that seem to come with my inability to double-tap may be causing a weird situation [03:28] jdong: okay, this now happend to me with double clicking without tapping === G0SUB_ [i=ghoseb@ubuntu-in.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] jdong: so it's not strictly a tapping problem I'd say [03:28] hello [03:28] interesting [03:28] sivang: hi, how are you? [03:28] hi, zyga [03:28] hey :) [03:29] hey zyga , am fine, been bit of sick during before and a bit after the beta [03:29] sivang: I'm sorry to hear that [03:29] zyga: this is wy I was offline/ unresponsive [03:29] hope you get better quickly [03:29] zyga: thanks :) [03:29] sivang: how did you like the new glade looks? [03:30] zyga: re your GUI, I deferred using it for now, I made my original design packed and small such that it would fit into 1024x768, and I will most probably use your design and aggregate on it for the next version, eventually I came to realize it caused me too much work to make it for the new one. [03:31] okay [03:31] zyga: I cherry picked the lozalization fixes, would like you to give them a go once you've got time [03:31] sure, this evening maybe? [03:31] zyga: and ofcouse, tried to kep the empty labels untranslated [03:31] I'm visiting parents today so no laptop with code :) [03:32] zyga: we can do that tomorrow even, [03:32] zyga: if it's more comfy to you? [03:32] zyga: I don't require alot of time AFAICT [03:32] I don't know - I'll probably be online hacking my kernel so just ping me if you need anything :) [03:32] anyone knows why the linux-image-2.6.15-21 is not yet in the archive? [03:32] zyga: okay, deal, if I see you online, I'll ping [03:32] kmon: I was wondering the same [03:32] kmon: also the l-r-m .32 [03:33] sivang: great :) [03:33] jdong: yes. I wanted to try the new ati fglrx driver [03:33] I've been anxiously waiting for a livecd image to contain both of these, so I can test it on the laptop I'm about to buy [03:33] jdong: buy a mac :) [03:33] kmon: likewise; this guy's got a X1400 [03:33] ubuntu fits nicely on a mac :) [03:33] zyga: you find me a core duo mac laptop in the $1200 range, and we'll talk :) [03:33] hehe [03:34] zyga: I love macs. I really do. I just can't justify the price to myself [03:34] I'm aiming for ibook g4 after they release mac book replacement for ibooks === jdong buys @ optimal price/performance + disposability after two years ratio :) [03:34] they'll be cheap and nice :D [03:34] zyga: a G4 vs a core duo? ;) [03:34] jdong: sure, g4 is all I ever need in a laptop [03:35] the only thing better in the core duo is probably battery life if they managed to crank that 1/2 the laptop-size battery [03:35] zyga: I'd say the same; but I do need a SMP system.... === sivang is sold for Thinkpads [03:35] (note: g4 has really really small battery) [03:35] zyga: single core systems don't keep up with my multitasking [03:35] t43p especially :) [03:35] :-) [03:35] sivang: my 2nd pick was a lenovo... [03:35] jdong: what kind of multi tasking are you doing? === zyga has bought 2 itanium 2 CPUs yesterday [03:35] I recently bought a turion [03:35] for whooping 30$ [03:35] :D [03:36] sivang: parallel, time-intensive jobs [03:36] nice chip [03:36] now I need to wait till a mobo shows up === sivang just bought a p-m t43p 1.8Ghz [03:36] sivang: I can feel desktop performance lag from when I'm x264 encoding [03:36] even with -ck + preempt [03:36] should I have aimed for Core Duo ? [03:36] jdong: what's this about? [03:36] geez h264 on laptop? [03:36] sivang: right now, core duos are the best deal out there [03:36] what's x264? [03:37] jdong: h264 or x264? [03:37] -ck = asian language support? [03:37] sivang: h.264 aka MPEG-4 AVC. [03:37] right :) [03:37] ah, divx [03:37] :-) [03:37] sivang: x264 = open source implementation [03:37] in Dapper :) [03:37] we decode SD h264 stream on 100MHz CPU :-) [03:37] note: there is no typo [03:37] and -ck are Con Koliva's performance patchsets to the kernel [03:38] zyga: idn; quicktime HD trailers bring my A64 3000+ to its knees [03:38] jdong: does the ubuntu kernel include Con kolivas patches? [03:38] kmon: no. [03:38] jdong: memory performance, cpu performance probably the former [03:38] kmon: these patches improve responsiveness. How they affect overall performance is somewhat disputed [03:38] HD needs gobs of GB/s [03:39] jdong: thanxs :) [03:39] zyga: and dual channel 533MHz seeems pretty good for that :) [03:39] oh man, how do I install it? [03:39] jdong: frankly I don't want to watch HD on my laptop, I've got enouhg HD at work :) [03:39] sivang: mencoder/mplayer/xine all understand h264 streams. mencoder can encode to it [03:39] ah, so I already have it :) [03:39] with mplaer [03:39] zyga: I know. Just an extreme case. Most DivX quality h264's work great [03:40] sivang: yep :). Gotta love Ubuntu === sivang loves ubuntu very much. [03:40] I'm really impressed with the h264 codec [03:40] I can comfortably encode at 30-40% lower bitrates than xvid/divx/lavc mpeg4 [03:40] jdong: does mplayer implement the entire h264 spec or just the baseline? [03:40] zyga: I am unsure. It uses libavcodec to decode. [03:41] just curious === jdong still really new to the world of video codecs [03:41] me too but job requires pretty good knowledge of that stuff :) [03:41] :) [03:42] but either way, the core duo (and core's in general) are great chips [03:42] the entry level one (1.66GHz) is just simply a bargain [03:42] at least basic understanding for everyone, even if I never touch the h264 decoder myself [03:42] jdong: frankly amd has better dual core cpus [03:42] and core duo is just cheap [03:42] zyga: :-/. It's being threatened right now. [03:42] performance wise dual core sucks as hell [03:42] guys, this is seriously offtopic [03:42] lol [03:43] -> #u-offtopic [03:43] the developers often try and read the scrollback from this channel, try and keep it clean [03:43] I need to get going anyway... got work to do today [03:43] take care, everyone [03:43] jdong: laters === sivang -> off for some bits. === infinity , ironically, just finished reading all this scrollback. [03:44] infinity: I just wonder if those core duo thingy provide real performance boost overall and would feel different then a Sonoma T43p machine.. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-183.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] sivang: Depends on what you do. === mdke gives up with you guys [03:45] guys guys [03:45] let's go to #ubuntu-offtopic, mdke is right === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] mdke: oops, sorry! === sivang moves there === rohan [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/rohan] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spee_Der [n=n1gke@ip68-14-152-144.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8301.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] Howdy === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] hi, where can i get ubuntu.ttf again? [04:17] Hello highvoltage. I don't have a clue, sorry [04:17] hello bddebian. ok, np. === ploum [n=Ploum@ubuntu/member/ploum] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] i found ploum! [04:18] :) [04:18] uhr no, he found you :) [04:18] :-) [04:18] hmmm.. a regulare chuck norris [04:18] ploum = Chuck? oh no! [04:18] I counted to infinity [04:18] twice [04:18] hehe [04:19] ploum sleeps with the lights on... because the dark is afraid of him [04:19] haha [04:20] if only it could be true with bugs... that would be awesome [04:21] ploum: you sleep with the bugs on? [04:21] When ploum approaches, all software bugs disappear: you don't bug ploum. [04:21] jdub: not that much... [04:22] and they are friendly after all === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:23] Treenaks: it seems that my father is the opposite. when he seats in front of a computer, the computer crashes ! [04:24] Last time, he started his old laptop : the gnome top panel was at the bottom, under the normal bottom panel [04:24] I don't even know it was possible ! [04:25] ploum: That's why we make Gnome for our mothers, not our fathers... my father has the same effect on computers [04:25] you can just drag them around and make as many as you want :P [04:26] Robot101: but doing it just by booting the computer without even touching the mouse is a proof of some psychic power (it was shutdown last time by me, so it wasn't done before) === thesaltydog is now known as thesaltydog|away === thesaltydog|away [n=fabio@host48-169.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === giftnudel [n=mb@p54B2AAF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] I've just helped someone with Gnome 2.8 this thursday. [04:33] Wow ! [04:33] Gnome 2.8 is so yesterday ! [04:33] I can believe I used it and was happy with it ! [04:34] I'm still using it at the uni [04:35] oh, we have gnome 1.* at our university [04:35] (on solaris) [04:37] giftnudel: that is old, indeed.. [04:37] I just started with Gnome 1.4 on Woody === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0E27E.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.211.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] guys, mdke is going to get really upset.... :) [04:41] ploum: what was the one before that? [04:41] (woody) === mdke points at #ubuntu-offtopic === ploum hides [04:43] :) === Lathiat whistles casualaly === Lathiat |aspell === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === G0SUB__ [i=ghoseb@ubuntu-in.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] \sh!! [04:55] <\sh> hey bddebian === _ion got mdns/dns-sd working between LAN and VPN, whee [04:56] hello \sh! bddebian! =D [04:57] <\sh> hoi zakame === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host161-82.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jozo [i=jozo@nelli.ikonia.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === antix [n=ben@pdpc/supporter/active/antix] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177216174.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] So who was working on an arm port? :) === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thesaltydog [n=fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:05] <_ion> Beagle was --purge removed quite quickly from my dad's laptop after it ate all the RAM (512 MiB) and swap (800 MiB). :-) === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:07] it would be nice if all the people complaining about high memory usage would get with upstream and debug [06:07] and not make extremely vauge comments about it [06:08] <_ion> If i personally wanted to use it, i'd start debugging it. [06:08] tseng: why? if the solution they all arrive at is to remove beagle, then they're obviously not that concerned about whether or not they use it. [06:08] Robot101: I guess. [06:08] Robot101: upstream might have an interest in fixing it, though [06:09] if they kept using it and kept complaining, it would be good to expect them to help fix it :) [06:09] it happens to be an SoC item for someone to spend the summer profiling and reducing usage, luckily [06:10] <_ion> tseng: Nice. [06:12] yeah, I hope someone runs with that [06:13] because it seems to be becoming more and more of a corner case, my system only uses 70mb or so between all the beagle threads [06:14] which is "too much" if you have 256 probably, but not that bad for me === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] is not locking the screen on System - Logout - Sleep a bug or a feature? [06:16] the live cd has a problem when it needs swap and wants to install the system - the default is to format swap ... well if you don't have enough ram, your screwed then === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:20] Mithrandir: known bug, espresso install did put a resume= in my grub config? [06:20] did or didnt [06:20] did not [06:21] i have an open bug about that [06:21] great. [06:21] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40609 [06:21] Malone bug 40609 in initramfs-tools acpi-support "Dell Precision M20: Does not attempt resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [06:21] against grub or installer? [06:21] ok, thanks [06:21] its supposed to be in some initramfs config file apaprently [06:21] which doesnt seem to get created [06:22] nice to see my alp touchpad really working now [06:23] was that your doing? [06:23] will the live cd look for swap partitions if I don't have enough memory? [06:23] Lathiat: /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume is empty or not present? [06:25] not present === dborg [n=daniel@e182056207.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === patwack [n=paddy@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust120.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bytee__ is now known as byte === byte is now known as byte_ === byte_ is now known as bytee_ === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _mike_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] giftnudel: yes [07:12] Mithrandir: live cd/swap answer? === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F7D57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] giftnudel: yes [07:12] thx === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rohan [n=Rohan@unaffiliated/rohan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:25] i finally installed using espresso the 6th time around [07:26] so problem is, that it failed on installing grub. so now i have the complete system, but no grub. how do i "reinstall" it ? [07:26] it didnt create menu.lst nor grub/ directory in /boot [07:26] and it was meant to use /dev/hda2 for /boot but its using a directory /boot on the root partition [07:27] so i have grub from another distro and can go into ubuntu, but how do i install grub "The Debian way" ? [07:28] <\sh> apt-get install grub [07:29] <\sh> and then do the grub-install run or whatever...but it should install grub by default [07:29] \sh: that will create the proper grub/ dir in /boot ? [07:29]