[12:16] <Kamion> Mithrandir: please merge http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/casper/ubiquity again; sorry for the mistake
[12:16] <Kamion> jcole: no, but you can copy it from any Ubuntu CD; it's generated by the CD image build scripts
[12:30] <jcole> Kamion: thanks
[12:32] <ohoel> the livecd installer seems to crash after time zone setup, and proceed spawning partman, parted_server, perfor_recipe among others
[12:32] <ohoel> does the installer generate any useful error logs anywhere?
[12:39] <ohoel> is "live-installer" the correct package to file a bug against in this case (kubuntu beta livecd installer)
[12:44] <ohoel> filed as bug 40666
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40666 in live-installer "Installer crashes after name setup" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40666
[02:06] <bddebian> Hi peoples
[03:10] <nix4me> has the slow firefox in dapper beta been reported?  i have searched launchpad and there are so many bugs against firefox with so many comments that I can't make heads or tails
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> eh
[03:11] <bluefoxicy> i'm going to try to negotiate with the q3f guys, what the hell.
[03:16] <crimsun> nix4me: yes, numerous times.
[03:17] <nix4me> ok, thanks for the reply. 
[03:29] <mdke> anyone here to help me with a question about how to use sed?
[03:30] <mdke> I'm trying to go through a text file to replace certain instances. I'm doing: "sed -i -e s@blah@blah@g filename
[03:30] <mdke> and that works
[03:30] <mdke> however, in this particular instance, blah in the text file has inverted commas around it, and I want to include them in the expression too, but that doesn't seem to work with that command
[03:30] <mdke> any ideas?
[03:31] <jdong> not to steals mdke's thunder, but thanks for l-r-m 2.6.15.9-1
[03:32] <jdong> the ATI X1600 and the ipw3945 support
[03:32] <jdong> you've made me buy a core duo :)
[03:32] <bddebian> heh
[03:32] <jdong> Dapper is going to rock
[03:33] <Chipzz> how can I file a bug against the ubuntu website?
[03:33] <jdong> can we rename the release to the "This should keep jdong quiet for a while" release?
[03:33] <bddebian> hehe
[03:33] <mdke> Chipzz, you can't. what is it?
[03:34] <Chipzz> mdke: packages.ubuntu.com "Search the contents of packages" not including dapper, although it works if you replace breezy with dapper in the url
[03:34] <Chipzz> quite annoying actually :/
[03:34] <mdke> Chipzz, that's not part of the ubuntu website. You need to email the maintainer of the site, his email is on the page
[03:37] <Chipzz> done
[03:38] <jdong> 40687 :)
[03:46] <mdke> sed question answered, nm
[04:11] <robertj> ack...slashdot title "Previewing Dapper And Edgy"
[04:36] <Amaranth> stupid xchat python
[04:53] <Lathiat> mjg59: hrm, i'm thinking the alps could do with a slightly faster speed
[06:38] <intelikey> STAFF    what tod (time of day) are the repos updated ?   i'll stop my dl for that just in case.
[06:40] <intelikey> dialup makes for long down load time.....
[07:37] <nomed> hi all
[07:38] <nomed> Kamion:  around ?
[07:39] <nomed> i have a question about seeds .. it seems gdm installs gnome-session but it could even be fine with xterm|x-window-manager|x-terminal-emulator
[09:32] <Kamion> nomed: germinate generally picks the first alternative unless another is explicitly seeded (and even then it may not reliably avoid picking the first alternative)
[09:33] <nomed> Kamion: yep i got it ..
[09:33] <nomed> i see there is even a blacklist
[09:34] <nomed> i'll take a look if gnome-session is called just by gdm
[09:34] <nomed> in that case would it be possible blacklist it ?
[09:35] <nomed> or will it need to be installed as apt-get install xterm gdm for ex ?
[09:38] <nomed> well i'll make some tests later .. and i'll ask to janimo to fix the seeds where and if needed
[09:42] <klepas> where is the sabdfl
[09:42] <klepas> :)
[09:59] <Kamion> nomed: we don't really use the blacklist any more, and I doubt it still works. easiest to explicitly seed xterm, try it, and see what happens.
[10:00] <nomed> Kamion: k
[10:15] <rohan> the espresso installer on the dapper beta live cd always _always_ hangs after selecting time zone. can i do some debugging for pasting in a bug report ?
[10:36] <_ion> First note: it modified sources.list intelligently. The se.archive.ubuntu.com lines had breezy changed to dapper, and unofficial repositories got a # in front of them.
[11:06] <Keybuk> ah, I love this time of the morning
[11:07] <\sh> Keybuk: nice weather in uk?
[11:08] <_ion> Let me guess: it's raining.
[11:08] <Keybuk> nope, dreary
[11:08] <Keybuk> _ion: nah, hardly ever rains here
[11:09] <StevenK> It mostly drizzles instead? :-P
[11:10] <\sh> oh then I'm really a lucky guy, the last two days temperatures over 20 degrees C and you can see the spring's coming to germany...the women skirts are morphing into something which is most likely to named as "belt" ;)
[11:11] <StevenK> \sh: Or 'small teatowel'
[11:11] <\sh> yeah :)
[11:14] <Keybuk> heh
[11:14] <Keybuk> there were lots of scantily clad pretty things at Alton Towers on Monday
[11:14] <Keybuk> which is a shame, because it rained
[11:15] <StevenK> Now it's getting colder here, the number of scantily-clad pretty things is very limited.
[11:17] <lifeless> Keybuk: wet t-shirt!
[11:17] <infinity> StevenK: Does it comfort you to know that I'm not wearing pants?
[11:17] <Keybuk> lifeless: there was that attraction briefly, yes
[11:17] <Keybuk> but they all went home
[11:18] <Keybuk> it got wet enough that we decided to go on the water rides
[11:18] <Keybuk> and the boyfriend got absolutely soaked on the flume and was grumpy for the rest of the day
[11:18] <Keybuk> lol
[11:19] <lifeless> Keybuk: haha!
[11:19] <StevenK> lifeless: Not at all.
[11:20] <lifeless> StevenK: ECONTEXT
[11:20] <StevenK> Sorry, wrong person.
[11:20] <StevenK> infinity: Not at all.
[11:21] <infinity> Well, pfeh.  I'm insulted.
[11:21] <infinity> Zofia's not wearing pants either, if that helps.
[11:21] <StevenK> Heh.
[11:21] <lifeless> what is it meant to help with :)
[11:21] <StevenK> It's much too cold to not wear pants.
[11:21] <infinity> With StevenK's lament about people rugging up for what Australia calls "winter".
[11:22] <lifeless> ah
[11:22] <infinity> I refuse to call it winter until I see snow.
[11:22] <lifeless> .au just gets an absence of summer.
[11:22] <lifeless> not a winter
[11:22] <infinity> Maybe I should go to Tasmania this year for a few days.
[11:23] <StevenK> My sisters just came back from Tasmania, actually.
[11:23] <Keybuk> we should send the Australians to Montral or Oslo for the winter
[11:23] <infinity> Keybuk: Seems fair, since I've been forced to deal with a *lack* of winter for the last two years.
[11:23] <infinity> They can bloody well suffer too.
[11:23] <StevenK> Hah
[11:27] <lifeless> StevenK: are you a sydneysider
[11:27] <lifeless> ?
[11:27] <infinity> Oh well.  I'm just hurt that I apparently don't qualify as a "pretty young thing".
[11:30] <StevenK> lifeless: Yes.
[11:31] <lifeless> StevenK: ah. Have we met ?
[11:31] <StevenK> lifeless: Yup.
[11:31] <lifeless> heh.
[11:33] <StevenK> lifeless: If you remember the Debsig when Jeff showed Warty, I was there.
[11:33] <lifeless> vaguely ;)
[11:34] <StevenK> lifeless: You promoted Linda to main for me.
[11:35] <lifeless> ?!
[11:35] <lifeless> anyway I read that I'm confused
[11:35] <StevenK> Well, organised to have it done.
[11:35] <lifeless> oh, that I can believe
[11:40] <Keybuk> Kamion: if all else fails, we could use "Pissed CD1", etc. :p
[11:42] <Keybuk> Kamion: I believe that the noun is "Lounge" though
[11:44] <\sh> infinity: what? you are not a "pretty young thing" anymore? welcome to the club :)
[11:44] <Keybuk> oh, I don't know, infinity is quite alluring in the right light ;)
[11:47] <\sh> hmm..I have to do some research, why FAI is not working on ubuntu server
[11:49] <\sh> there's something wrong with some diverts in fai-nfsroot and the dhclient package..cost me 6 hours of time to replace ubuntu server with sarge :(
[12:08] <mdke> Kamion, around?
[12:22] <mdke> Diziet, the translated homepages aren't working: I get "Can't find file file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index-it_IT.html" from firefox in italian
[12:22] <\sh> same for de_DE and en_GB
[12:22] <mdke> thanks
[12:49] <highvoltage> Znarl: ping
[01:29] <sivang> re all
[01:59] <hunger> My laptop (Thinkpad T43p) no longer suspends properly in dapper (display does not come back on). Is that a known regression frem breezy or should I report this?
[02:02] <mdke> hunger, report it. Actually, my T43 doesn't either, but it has a different video card, so file a separate bug
[02:03] <hunger> ~.
[02:04] <hunger> mdke: Hmmm... this is with kpowersave.
[02:05] <hunger> mdke: Using "pmi action sleep" it fails to suspend and just comes back.
[02:05] <hunger> I'd guess pmi fails due to this bluetooth stuff. Had that before.
[02:08] <Trewas> hunger: my x41 requires acpi_sleep=s3_bios kernel option to get the screen back on after suspend, though it still fails to wake the sata disk succesfully with the dapper kernel (a known bug)
[02:10] <Znarl> highvoltage : Pong?
[02:10] <mdke> hunger, anything that doesn't work is a bug, you should file it.
[02:11] <hunger> Trewas: This used to work with breezy and it did work in dapper a couple of weeks back.
[02:11] <mdke> ... so it's a bug ... go file!
[02:12] <hunger> It is completly eratic!
[02:12] <hunger> I tried 4 times now and saw 3 different ways of suspend failing:-(
[02:12] <Trewas> hunger: i just got that laptop and directly installed dapper flight 6 so I don't know how it would have worked with breezy or older dapper
[02:12] <mdke> dude, that's still a bug.
[02:12] <mdke> that's better.
[02:13] <mdke> if you like, continue to discuss it on #ubuntu-laptop
[02:17] <mjg59> Lathiat: It's fairly easy to patch
[02:23] <hunger> Damn... I accidentally reported the bug to be on baltix (whatever that is). How do I change that again?
[02:24] <mdke> hunger, open a task on distribution: Ubuntu. Then reject the baltix one
[02:26] <hunger> I really think twice before reporting anything on ubuntu because lp keeps confusing the hell out of me.
[02:28] <mdke> hunger, you need to talk to #launchpad about that, not here
[02:29] <hunger> Would it be possible to decide on a more consistent naming scheme for old logfiles in ubuntu
[02:29] <hunger> Some are *.1.log, some *.log.1, some are gzipped others are not.
[02:30] <hunger> Some have have the numbers start with 0 others with 1.
[02:32] <infinity> hunger: That depends on if daemons use logrotate or savelog or some internal mechanism.
[02:32] <infinity> hunger: Everything using logrotate should have reasonably similar behaviour.
[02:35] <hunger> infinity: Nope.
[02:36] <hunger> infinity: Even the logrotate things are all different. Some compress their files, others don't. The number of files keapt seems to be more are less random.
[02:38] <hunger> infinity: The schedule differs, but that is understandable:-)
[02:38] <infinity> Having some keep more than others is intentional.
[02:38] <infinity> Example of a logrotate-using package that keeps more than 3 logfiles and doesn't compress?
[02:40] <hunger> infinity: Dunno what the default number of files is.
[02:41] <hunger> infinity: dirmngr does not compress and uses the default number of files.
[02:41] <infinity> Then file a bug.  That's not something I have installed. :)
[02:41] <infinity> (And it's universe)
[02:45] <hunger> infinity: Hmmm.... why do most packages specify "compress"? Why isen't the default value used as set up in logrotate.conf?
[02:52] <sivang> can anybody see this issue - I'm cliking on the battery meter, and the network monitor on the upper right corner,
[02:52] <sivang> and nothing happens
[02:53] <sivang> when I got and right/left clikc on the panel somewhere where there are no applets,
[02:53] <sivang> it behaves as expected.
[02:53] <sivang> veyr weird
[02:55] <sivang> hmm, it got released now
[02:55] <sivang> *strange*
[02:56] <sivang> nice, stuck again
[03:14] <Fjodor> Am i wrong in assuming linx11-6 fiddles with iso-8859 locales instead of utf-8 ones? It seems that lib's own locales are of the iso variety, whereas other system locales are utf8?
[03:15] <Fjodor> s/linx11-6/libx11-6
[03:15] <jdong> sivang: I can't confirm that on my laptop or desktop running latest Dapper...
[03:15] <jdong> and speaking of laptops and batteries....
[03:16] <jdong> is there any GNOME mechanism of interacting with CPU frequency scaling, like powersaved/kpowersave for KDE?
[03:16] <jdong> I find that to be a very useful feature
[03:19] <sivang> jdong: see if all applets are accessible and respons by cliking hem with the touch pad,
[03:19] <sivang> jdong: then, if so, leave it alone for few secs
[03:19] <jdong> you mean tapping with the touchpad?
[03:19] <sivang> jdong: then, go to the CPU scale freq applet that show the freq
[03:20] <sivang> jdong: and give it a few taps
[03:20] <sivang> jdong: , then try to right click one of the other applets
[03:20] <sivang> jdong: yes
[03:22] <rohan> hi all.. 
[03:22] <highvoltage> hi rohan 
[03:22] <rohan> i found this critical bug with espresso -- it always ALWAYS hangs when after i select what disk as swap / boot etc.
[03:22] <rohan> hi, highvoltage 
[03:22] <rohan> so what i did is
[03:22] <rohan> straced through it
[03:23] <jdong> sivang: certain tapping speeds will turn my cursor into a hand, and then the mouse cannot click interact with anything else
[03:23] <mdke> rohan, you can file bugs at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[03:23] <rohan> and did tail -f on another terminal
[03:23] <jdong> sivang: is this what you're seeing?
[03:23] <rohan> mdke: listen to me first. !
[03:23] <mdke> rohan, it's a saturday, you're very unlikely to find the espresso developer online
[03:23] <rohan> and on stracing, i found that the computer crashes COMPLETELY no mouse no X
[03:23] <mdke> best to go straight to the bug tracker
[03:23] <rohan> and strace shows waitpid(somepid, someno, NOHANG)
[03:24] <jdong> rohan: we aren't all omnipotent..... your best bet is really the bug tracker....
[03:24] <rohan> what i want to ask is .. is there any way to get the process attached to that pid ?
[03:24] <rohan> jdong, mdke : thats what i intend to do.
[03:25] <rohan> or atleast, get more verbose strace output ?
[03:25] <rohan> and there is no way i can attach that log since pc crashes surely
[03:25] <sivang> jdong: maybe, only I don't see the hand curosor
[03:25] <sivang> jdong: and it just hangs, until I cleck on another spot ont the panel, or just attempt to ad a new panel applet
[03:26] <jdong> sivang: I managed to get it stuck on a hand cursor permanently
[03:26] <sivang> jdong: cool, I guess I just don't get the hand curoser
[03:26] <jdong> sivang: I can't use keyboard or mouse clicks to interact with anything
[03:26] <sivang> jdong: I wonder if this cpufreq's fault
[03:26] <jdong> interesting thought
[03:27] <sivang> jdong: since I tried that same scenario on al of the other applets, none of them exhibited the same behavior
[03:27] <jdong> interesting
[03:27] <sivang> (all of those that come pre-set on the panel, that is)
[03:27] <jdong> are there any other applets that behave like cpufreq's, though
[03:27] <jdong> i.e. no single or double click actions
[03:27] <sivang> hmm
[03:27] <jdong> I have a feeling GNOME's default action takes over
[03:27] <jdong> which appears to be some type of move...
[03:28] <jdong> but little random movements that seem to come with my inability to double-tap may be causing a weird situation
[03:28] <sivang> jdong: okay, this now happend to me with double clicking without tapping
[03:28] <sivang> jdong: so it's not strictly a tapping problem I'd say
[03:28] <zyga> hello
[03:28] <jdong> interesting
[03:28] <zyga> sivang: hi, how are you?
[03:28] <jdong> hi, zyga
[03:28] <zyga> hey :)
[03:29] <sivang> hey zyga , am fine, been bit of sick during before and a bit after the beta
[03:29] <zyga> sivang: I'm sorry to hear that
[03:29] <sivang> zyga: this is wy I was offline/ unresponsive
[03:29] <zyga> hope you get better quickly
[03:29] <sivang> zyga: thanks :)
[03:29] <zyga> sivang: how did you like the new glade looks?
[03:30] <sivang> zyga: re your GUI, I deferred using it for now, I made my original design packed and small such that it would fit into 1024x768, and I will most probably use your design  and aggregate on it for the next version, eventually I came to realize it caused me too much work to make it for the new one.
[03:31] <zyga> okay
[03:31] <sivang> zyga: I cherry picked the lozalization fixes, would like you to give them a go once you've got time
[03:31] <zyga> sure, this evening maybe?
[03:31] <sivang> zyga: and ofcouse, tried to kep the empty labels untranslated 
[03:31] <zyga> I'm visiting parents today so no laptop with code :)
[03:32] <sivang> zyga: we can do that tomorrow even,
[03:32] <sivang> zyga: if it's more comfy to you?
[03:32] <sivang> zyga: I don't require alot of time AFAICT
[03:32] <zyga> I don't know - I'll probably be online hacking my kernel so just ping me if you need anything :)
[03:32] <kmon> anyone knows why the linux-image-2.6.15-21 is not yet in the archive?
[03:32] <sivang> zyga: okay, deal, if I see you online, I'll ping
[03:32] <jdong> kmon: I was wondering the same
[03:32] <jdong> kmon: also the l-r-m .32
[03:33] <zyga> sivang: great :)
[03:33] <kmon> jdong: yes. I wanted to try the new ati fglrx driver
[03:33] <jdong> I've been anxiously waiting for a livecd image to contain both of these, so I can test it on the laptop I'm about to buy
[03:33] <zyga> jdong: buy a mac :)
[03:33] <jdong> kmon: likewise; this guy's got a X1400
[03:33] <zyga> ubuntu fits nicely on a mac :)
[03:33] <jdong> zyga: you find me a core duo mac laptop in the $1200 range, and we'll talk :)
[03:33] <zyga> hehe
[03:34] <jdong> zyga: I love macs. I really do. I just can't justify the price to myself
[03:34] <zyga> I'm aiming for ibook g4 after they release mac book replacement for ibooks
[03:34] <zyga> they'll be cheap and nice :D
[03:34] <jdong> zyga: a G4 vs a core duo? ;)
[03:34] <zyga> jdong: sure, g4 is all I ever need in a laptop
[03:35] <zyga> the only thing better in the core duo is probably battery life if they managed to crank that 1/2 the laptop-size battery
[03:35] <jdong> zyga: I'd say the same; but I do need a SMP system....
[03:35] <zyga> (note: g4 has really really small battery)
[03:35] <jdong> zyga: single core systems don't keep up with my multitasking
[03:35] <sivang> t43p especially :)
[03:35] <zyga> :-)
[03:35] <jdong> sivang: my 2nd pick was a lenovo...
[03:35] <sivang> jdong: what kind of multi tasking are you doing?
[03:35] <kmon> I recently bought a turion
[03:35] <zyga> for whooping 30$
[03:35] <zyga> :D
[03:36] <jdong> sivang: parallel, time-intensive jobs
[03:36] <kmon> nice chip
[03:36] <zyga> now I need to wait till a mobo shows up
[03:36] <jdong> sivang: I can feel desktop performance lag from when I'm x264 encoding
[03:36] <jdong> even with -ck + preempt 
[03:36] <sivang> should I have aimed for Core Duo ?
[03:36] <sivang> jdong: what's this about?
[03:36] <zyga> geez h264 on laptop?
[03:36] <jdong> sivang: right now, core duos are the best deal out there
[03:36] <sivang> what's x264?
[03:37] <zyga> jdong: h264 or x264?
[03:37] <sivang> -ck = asian language support?
[03:37] <jdong> sivang: h.264 aka MPEG-4 AVC.
[03:37] <zyga> right :)
[03:37] <sivang> ah, divx
[03:37] <sivang> :-)
[03:37] <jdong> sivang: x264 = open source implementation
[03:37] <jdong> in Dapper :)
[03:37] <zyga> we decode SD h264 stream on 100MHz CPU :-)
[03:37] <zyga> note: there is no typo
[03:37] <jdong> and -ck are Con Koliva's performance patchsets to the kernel
[03:38] <jdong> zyga: idn; quicktime HD trailers bring my A64 3000+ to its knees
[03:38] <kmon> jdong: does the ubuntu kernel include Con kolivas patches?
[03:38] <jdong> kmon: no.
[03:38] <zyga> jdong: memory performance, cpu performance probably the former
[03:38] <jdong> kmon: these patches improve responsiveness. How they affect overall performance is somewhat disputed
[03:38] <zyga> HD needs gobs of GB/s
[03:39] <kmon> jdong: thanxs :)
[03:39] <jdong> zyga: and dual channel 533MHz seeems pretty good for that :)
[03:39] <sivang> oh man, how do I install it?
[03:39] <zyga> jdong: frankly I don't want to watch HD on my laptop, I've got enouhg HD at work :)
[03:39] <jdong> sivang: mencoder/mplayer/xine all understand h264 streams. mencoder can encode to it
[03:39] <sivang> ah, so I already have it :)
[03:39] <sivang> with mplaer
[03:39] <jdong> zyga: I know. Just an extreme case. Most DivX quality h264's work great
[03:40] <jdong> sivang: yep :). Gotta love Ubuntu
[03:40] <jdong> I'm really impressed with the h264 codec
[03:40] <jdong> I can comfortably encode at 30-40% lower bitrates than xvid/divx/lavc mpeg4
[03:40] <zyga> jdong: does mplayer implement the entire h264 spec or just the baseline?
[03:40] <jdong> zyga: I am unsure. It uses libavcodec to decode.
[03:41] <zyga> just curious
[03:41] <zyga> me too but job requires pretty good knowledge of that stuff :)
[03:41] <jdong> :)
[03:42] <jdong> but either way, the core duo (and core's in general) are great chips
[03:42] <jdong> the entry level one (1.66GHz) is just simply a bargain
[03:42] <zyga> at least basic understanding for everyone, even if I never touch the h264 decoder myself
[03:42] <zyga> jdong: frankly amd has better dual core cpus
[03:42] <zyga> and core duo is just cheap
[03:42] <jdong> zyga: :-/. It's being threatened right now.
[03:42] <zyga> performance wise dual core sucks as hell
[03:42] <mdke> guys, this is seriously offtopic
[03:42] <jdong> lol
[03:43] <zyga> -> #u-offtopic
[03:43] <mdke> the developers often try and read the scrollback from this channel, try and keep it clean
[03:43] <jdong> I need to get going anyway... got work to do today
[03:43] <jdong> take care, everyone
[03:43] <sivang> jdong: laters
[03:44] <sivang> infinity: I just wonder if those core duo thingy provide real performance boost overall and would feel different then a Sonoma T43p machine..
[03:44] <hunger> sivang: Depends on what you do.
[03:45] <zyga> guys guys
[03:45] <zyga> let's go to #ubuntu-offtopic, mdke is right
[03:46] <sivang> mdke: oops, sorry!
[04:14] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:16] <highvoltage> hi, where can i get ubuntu.ttf again?
[04:17] <bddebian> Hello highvoltage.   I don't have a clue, sorry
[04:17] <highvoltage> hello bddebian. ok, np.
[04:18] <highvoltage> i found ploum!
[04:18] <highvoltage> :)
[04:18] <Treenaks> uhr no, he found you :)
[04:18] <ploum> :-)
[04:18] <highvoltage> hmmm.. a regulare chuck norris
[04:18] <Treenaks> ploum = Chuck? oh no!
[04:18] <ploum> I counted to infinity
[04:18] <ploum> twice
[04:18] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:19] <highvoltage> ploum sleeps with the lights on... because the dark is afraid of him
[04:19] <bddebian> haha
[04:20] <ploum> if only it could be true with bugs...  that would be awesome 
[04:21] <jdub> ploum: you sleep with the bugs on?
[04:21] <Treenaks> When ploum approaches, all software bugs disappear: you don't bug ploum.
[04:21] <ploum> jdub: not that much...
[04:22] <ploum> and they are friendly after all
[04:23] <ploum> Treenaks: it seems that my father is the opposite. when he seats in front of a computer, the computer crashes !
[04:24] <ploum> Last time, he started his old laptop : the gnome top panel was at the bottom, under the normal bottom panel
[04:24] <ploum> I don't even know it was possible !
[04:25] <Treenaks> ploum: That's why we make Gnome for our mothers, not our fathers... my father has the same effect on computers
[04:25] <Robot101> you can just drag them around and make as many as you want :P
[04:26] <ploum> Robot101: but doing it just by booting the computer without even touching the mouse is a proof of some psychic power (it was shutdown last time by me, so it wasn't done before)
[04:33] <ploum> I've just helped someone with Gnome 2.8 this thursday.
[04:33] <ploum> Wow !
[04:33] <ploum> Gnome 2.8 is so yesterday !
[04:33] <ploum> I can believe I used it and was happy with it !
[04:34] <azeem> I'm still using it at the uni
[04:35] <giftnudel> oh, we have gnome 1.* at our university
[04:35] <giftnudel> (on solaris)
[04:37] <ploum> giftnudel: that is old, indeed..
[04:37] <ploum> I just started with  Gnome 1.4 on Woody
[04:40] <jdong> guys, mdke is going to get really upset.... :)
[04:41] <Lathiat> ploum: what was the one before that?
[04:41] <Lathiat> (woody)
[04:43] <jdong> :)
[04:54] <bddebian> \sh!!
[04:55] <\sh> hey bddebian
[04:56] <zakame> hello \sh! bddebian! =D
[04:57] <\sh> hoi zakame
[06:02] <wasabi_> So who was working on an arm port? :)
[06:05] <_ion> Beagle was --purge removed quite quickly from my dad's laptop after it ate all the RAM (512 MiB) and swap (800 MiB). :-)
[06:07] <tseng> it would be nice if all the people complaining about high memory usage would get with upstream and debug
[06:07] <tseng> and not make extremely vauge comments about it
[06:08] <_ion> If i personally wanted to use it, i'd start debugging it.
[06:08] <Robot101> tseng: why? if the solution they all arrive at is to remove beagle, then they're obviously not that concerned about whether or not they use it.
[06:08] <tseng> Robot101: I guess.
[06:08] <Mithrandir> Robot101: upstream might have an interest in fixing it, though
[06:09] <Robot101> if they kept using it and kept complaining, it would be good to expect them to help fix it :)
[06:09] <tseng> it happens to be an SoC item for someone to spend the summer profiling and reducing usage, luckily
[06:10] <_ion> tseng: Nice.
[06:12] <tseng> yeah, I hope someone runs with that
[06:13] <tseng> because it seems to be becoming more and more of a corner case, my system only uses 70mb or so between all the beagle threads
[06:14] <tseng> which is "too much" if you have 256 probably, but not that bad for me
[06:16] <tseng> is not locking the screen on System - Logout - Sleep a bug or a feature?
[06:16] <giftnudel> the live cd has a problem when it needs swap and wants to install the system - the default is to format swap ... well if you don't have enough ram, your screwed then
[06:20] <tseng> Mithrandir: known bug, espresso install did put a resume= in my grub config?
[06:20] <Lathiat> did or didnt
[06:20] <tseng> did not
[06:21] <Lathiat> i have an open bug about that
[06:21] <tseng> great.
[06:21] <Lathiat>  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40609
[06:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40609 in initramfs-tools acpi-support "Dell Precision M20: Does not attempt resume from hibernate" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[06:21] <tseng> against grub or installer?
[06:21] <tseng> ok, thanks
[06:21] <Lathiat> its supposed to be in some initramfs config file apaprently
[06:21] <Lathiat> which doesnt seem to get created
[06:22] <tseng> nice to see my alp touchpad really working now
[06:23] <tseng> was that your doing?
[06:23] <giftnudel> will the live cd look for swap partitions if I don't have enough memory?
[06:23] <tritium> Lathiat: /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume is empty or not present?
[06:25] <Lathiat> not present
[07:12] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: yes
[07:12] <giftnudel> Mithrandir: live cd/swap answer?
[07:12] <Mithrandir> giftnudel: yes
[07:12] <giftnudel> thx
[07:25] <rohan> i finally installed using espresso the 6th time around
[07:26] <rohan> so problem is, that it failed on installing grub. so now i have the complete system, but no grub. how do i "reinstall" it ?
[07:26] <rohan> it didnt create menu.lst nor grub/ directory in /boot
[07:26] <rohan> and it was meant to use /dev/hda2 for /boot but its using a directory /boot on the root partition
[07:27] <rohan> so i have grub from another distro and can go into ubuntu, but how do i install grub "The Debian way" ?
[07:28] <\sh> apt-get install grub
[07:29] <\sh> and then do the grub-install run or whatever...but it should install grub by default
[07:29] <rohan> \sh: that will create the proper grub/ dir in /boot ?
[07:29] <rohan> and how do i 'migrate' my /boot to another dir i.e. /dev/hda2 ?
[07:30] <\sh> only the stages of grub are installed in /boot/grub/ the bootloader itself is being installed in mbr or on the first partition
[07:31] <rohan> ok
[07:31] <rohan> so how do i 'migrate' my /boot to another dir i.e. /dev/hda2 ?
[07:31] <\sh> rohan: you don't
[07:32] <rohan> :|
[07:32] <\sh>  /dev/hda2 is not a dir
[07:32] <rohan> cant i ? 
[07:32] <\sh> it's a device
[07:32] <rohan> \sh: yea yea i will make ext2 on /dev/hda2 and all
[07:32] <rohan> but then how do i "tell" it that /dev/hda2 is my boot ? fstab ?
[07:32] <\sh> well, you have to install then a bootloader on /dev/hda1 or in the mbr of your boot harddrive
[07:33] <rohan> ok, bbl
[07:33] <rohan> lets see
[07:34] <\sh> hmmm...looks like that he didn't understand the purpose of a boot loader
[07:48] <rohan> \sh: ping
[07:50] <\sh> rohan: pong
[07:50] <rohan> \sh: now it gives a gpg error after apt-get update :S
[07:50] <\sh> hum?
[07:51] <rohan> and, oh joy, ubuntu-live was not apt-get remove'd
[07:51] <\sh> which repositories do you have in sources.list?
[07:51] <rohan> and "rohan<TAB>ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL"
[07:51] <rohan> how is that line incorrect ?
[07:51] <rohan> \sh: the defualt, i uncommented uni and multi verse
[07:52] <\sh> looks like that your installation went wrong somehow
[07:52] <rohan> after failing 6 times, i am not really surprized to hear that
[07:52] <rohan> and, as i said, the install just died -- no reason, no option to salvage it
[07:53] <rohan> \sh: i reinstall'ed grub, it did not put stages in /boot and neither was menu.lst created
[07:54] <rohan> now how do i re-create grub files
[07:54] <rohan> boohoo :S
[07:54] <\sh> first of all, you installed it via espresso right?
[07:55] <rohan> yes, which failed 5 times, and worked upto copying files on the 6th
[07:56] <\sh> try the normal install cd (dapper) then if you want to have a working system, or file bugs in malone (launchpad) against the espresso package
[07:56] <rohan> but this system is working
[07:57] <rohan> bandwidth is really low in india, i cant download iso's everyday :9
[07:57] <rohan> :(
[07:57] <rohan> what does espresso usually do after installing grub ?
[07:57] <rohan> apt-get remove ubuntu-live ?
[07:58] <\sh> .oO( i have to test the live cd installer tomorrow...oh wow my time schedule just went mad for tomorrow :()
[07:58] <\sh> rohan: to be honest, I didn't have the time to test the live installer ... but promised, I'll test it tomorrow evening...
[07:59] <rohan> \sh: test it on a p3 550mhz i810 256mb ram :)
[08:00] <\sh> rohan: the only machine I can test here is the canonical laptop (toshibe portege r200, 512mb, 60 gb, i915, no cd drive) :)
[08:00] <\sh> and that's the machine I have to test anyways...:)
[08:00] <rohan> wow, wish i had something like _that_
[08:00] <rohan> and ^^ is the only pc i have .. p3 550mhz .. lol a joke ;)
[08:01] <\sh> believe me, everybody will bug you what this machine is, and how small it is...and then you have to say: "But pbuilding packages on this machines nerves ":))
[08:02] <rohan> :o even :)
[08:02] <rohan> wow, i really _must_ reinstall using the install cd
[08:03] <rohan> unfortunaltely
[08:03] <rohan> see more errors
[08:03] <rohan> hang one, installing gpm
[08:03] <G0SUB_> rohan: hello ...
[08:03] <rohan> G0SUB_: oh, hi, we meet again :)
[08:04] <rohan> really, is there any way to salvage this broken install, or do i just reinstall using the text installer ?
[08:04] <G0SUB_> rohan: again? when did we meet earlier? I am sorry I have a bad short term memory :)
[08:04] <rohan> G0SUB_: #ubuntu-in when you lectured me why me must use GNU/Linux and not Linux or linux
[08:04] <rohan> Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108.
[08:05] <rohan> what error is _that_ ?
[08:05] <G0SUB_> rohan: heh, and you left after that ?
[08:05] <G0SUB_> rohan: that's just an warning ... you can ignore that
[08:05] <rohan> G0SUB_: no, i dont really have time to be on irc .. exams in a month
[08:05] <rohan> but, i have this strange s:save_cpo icon on my desktop
[08:05] <G0SUB_> hmm, ok
[08:06] <rohan> i cant find it in fstab ... no such mount
[08:06] <rohan> and its 500mb big
[08:06] <rohan> 464.8
[08:06] <rohan> what is this s:save_cpo
[08:07] <rohan> oops, no its just increasing !! its 3gb now
[08:08] <rohan> oh _LOL_ its a legit mount
[08:09] <rohan> but its being named as s:save
[08:09] <rohan> and not /mnt/hda1
[08:09] <rohan> ok, i am off
[08:09] <rohan> if someone has solutions please memo :S
[09:00] <catskul> anyone know what the name of the package is which contains the network "monitor applet" ?
[09:00] <catskul> er... "network monitor" applet
[09:03] <pitti> catskul: gnome-netstatus-applet ?
[09:03] <pitti> hi jane_ 
[09:04] <\sh> hey pitti...give me a short introduction into asoundconf pls :)
[09:04] <catskul> pitti, thanks. Ill check on that
[09:04] <\sh> good evening jane :)
[09:04] <pitti> hey \sh 
[09:04] <pitti> \sh: it's mainly designed as a backend tool
[09:04] <\sh> pitti: yes...and I'm hacking on a kde frontend tool for asoundrc :)
[09:05] <pitti> \sh: the manpage says it all, really, it's pretty shallow; it just adds/removes/checks stuff in ~/.asoundrc.asoudconf
[09:05] <pitti> \sh: oooh, similar to the audio selector in gnome?
[09:05] <\sh> so...if I want to change the default card (card 0) to card 1 
[09:05] <\sh> I do asoundconf set default.pcm.card 1 or with the name?
[09:05] <pitti> \sh: yep, setting the default sound card is the only thing we use it for now
[09:05] <pitti> \sh: we used the number up to breezy, but using the name is better
[09:06] <pitti> \sh: since it makes us independent of sound card ordering
[09:06] <pitti> \sh: however, the current gnome tool has a bug I still need to fix
[09:06] <\sh> pitti: ok...then I have a problem :)
[09:06] <crimsun> pitti: btw, gnome-sound-properties (source: gnome-control-center) needs to set defaults.ctl.card, too
[09:06] <pitti> \sh: you should set default.ctl.card to the same value as pcm
[09:06] <pitti> crimsun: ^ :)
[09:06] <\sh> the usb headset I'm using is named always "default" but changes the card number :)
[09:06] <pitti> crimsun: yep, it's on my list of stuff to fix, for far too long, I admit
[09:07] <pitti> \sh: really? aplay -l shows 'default' as the name? weird
[09:07] <\sh> pitti: yes..
[09:07] <\sh> shermann@toshiba-laptop:~/Projekte/kasound$ cat /proc/asound/cards
[09:07] <\sh> 0 [ICH6           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH6
[09:07] <\sh>                      Intel ICH6 with AD1981B at 0x32080400, irq 169
[09:07] <\sh> 1 [default        ] : USB-Audio - C-Media USB Headphone Set
[09:07] <\sh>                      C-Media USB Headphone Set   at usb-0000:00:1d.3-2, full speed
[09:08] <pitti> *shaking head*
[09:08] <crimsun> pitti: I'm working through alsa-utils, will have a tiny debian/init addition to apply for Via82xx users so they'll have audible sound out-of-the-box. I'll coordinate with Thomas on alsaconf if you haven't already taken it, too.
[09:08] <\sh> and depending on the mood of modules autoload sometimes default is 0 and sometimes 1
[09:09] <\sh> pitti: if you are curious....saturn 20 eur usb headset of cmedia...the cheapest you can get :)
[09:10] <pitti> \sh: I bought a logitech usb headset a while ago, when I wrote this selector :)
[09:10] <\sh> but it works even with skype on dapper :)
[09:10] <\sh> pitti: hehe...yeah it's one of the expensive ones :)
[09:59] <Chipzz> could I ask a question about python-apt here?
[10:07] <ForzaPalermo> hey can somoene help me, i am having problems with dapper thah ti just installed
[10:08] <highvoltage> ForzaPalermo: best to ask in #ubuntu
[10:08] <ForzaPalermo> i did no one is helping me :(
[10:09] <highvoltage> sometimes you just need to be a little patient :)
[10:09] <mdke> ForzaPalermo, forums/mailing lists are good too
[10:10] <Chipzz> where could I ask a python-apt question? (sorry for repeating myself :P)
[10:39] <Riddell> \sh: cool :)  are you going to make it a guidance module?
[10:40] <\sh> Riddell: let me hack one version first, then we can test it...problem is that kde apps are not reloading the settings from asound.conf
[10:42] <Riddell> \sh: killall amarok should sort that out :)
[10:43] <\sh> Riddell: no :(
[10:43] <\sh> Riddell: the xine engine is the problem:)
[10:43] <Riddell> it needs X killed?
[10:43] <\sh> total session restart
[10:44] <\sh> well...I have more problems with usb headsets :)
[10:46] <\sh> e.g. shortcutting the usb bus :) kernel doesn't unload the usb modules...and reinit of modules-init-tools doesn't help...shortcut is done via "laying in bed, and somehow the knee is beding the usb plug" ;)
[10:46] <\sh> beding
[10:46] <\sh> bending i mean..
[10:50] <Riddell> "click here to reboot", very windows 95
[10:50] <_ion> riddell: Not until the BSOD.
[10:52] <robertj> btw, does anyone else think that there shouldn't be an update & reboot icon at the same time for update manager?
[11:05] <\sh> good night gentlemen
[11:50] <bddebian> Heya folks