[12:11] <LaserJock> azeem: awesome, now I can upload it to Ubuntu ;-)
[02:06] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:07] <crimsun> hullo
[02:07] <bddebian> Hail Master crimsun
[02:12] <LaserJock_away> hi bddebian and crimsun
[02:14] <LaserJock_away> in Debian, when a package is built and ready for the mirrors is taken off incoming.debian.org?
[02:15] <crimsun> hullo lj
[02:24] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock_away
[02:24] <LaserJock_away> ewww, 40 KB/s upload
[02:24] <LaserJock_away> this is going to take a while
[02:25] <LaserJock_away> if only I wasn't so cheap :-)
[02:33] <LaserJock_away> hi Hobbsee
[02:35] <Hobbsee> ooh, upgrades!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:36] <bddebian> Heh
[02:36] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[02:37] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[02:37] <Hobbsee> 324kb/s - that's pretty good!
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[03:36] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[03:38] <Yagisan> bddebian: our SDL, is it broken ? I'm trying to debug why I'm getting a "Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)" from an app I built
[03:38] <bddebian> SDL?
[03:39] <crimsun> our sdl should be fine. What's the bt like?
[03:39] <Yagisan> bddebian: http://www.libsdl.org/index.php
[03:39] <Yagisan> crimsun: I wish I had one atm
[03:40] <bddebian> Yagisan: Ah, thx
[03:40] <dolson> bddebian: I have built SDL apps recently.. should be ok. gdb is your friend and such ;)
[03:40] <dolson> er
[03:40] <dolson> that was for Yagisan
[03:40] <bddebian> :-)
[03:40] <dolson> I wish my update-notifier would work right :\
[03:44] <Yagisan> odd. strace shows it being unable to open libs that exist.
[03:49] <crimsun> permissions?
[03:49] <crimsun> a lot of people seem to have been bitten by the "user not in the audio group" bug lately. I have no idea whether it's rooted in the installer, or...
[03:53] <Yagisan> ah, I see. it wants other libs that sdl should have loaded, but sdl didn't load them because they are not in ia32-libs.
[03:53] <LaserJock> crimsun: you probably won't have any problems from me, I hardly ever use sound
[03:53] <bddebian> Ack, why am I having trouble finding bugs in Universe all the sudden on LP?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> search borked again?
[03:54] <bddebian> Dunno, I'm doing something wrong probably
[03:54] <bddebian> I'm not too smart :-)
[03:55] <LaserJock> maybe we need to put some links on bddebian's special wiki page ;p
[03:55] <LaserJock> so he know where to go
[03:55] <bddebian> Yes
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:55] <crimsun> LaserJock: that's exactly the opposite of what I intend ;)
[03:56] <crimsun> the more people bang on sound, the more I know where to fix stuff
[03:57] <Yagisan> bbl, need to take my son to the doctor
[03:57] <bddebian> Yagisan: Yikes, hope he's OK
[03:57] <crimsun> LaserJock: you haven't had a chance to test dapper on your imac, have you?
[04:00] <crimsun> I'm just happy to have resolved an issue where loading rosegarden in a default config causes the machine to freeze hard
[04:00] <crimsun> nothing like nonexistent error-checking in the kernel :/
[04:03] <bddebian> Oh well guess, I can't fix bugs if I can't find them.. :-)
[04:04] <crimsun> what about unmetdeps? ;)
[04:06] <LaserJock> crimsun: can't. I think I'll have to wait until edgy
[04:07] <bddebian> crimsun: We still have those? :-)
[04:09] <crimsun> LaserJock: k. If you can try the live cd, that would help, too.
[04:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I need some lvm advice
[04:11] <LaserJock> namely, what kind of partitioning scheme should I have
[04:12] <bddebian> crimsun: Seriously, do we have an unmet deps list somewhere?  The wiki one looks like the one from Breezy?
[04:12] <LaserJock> bddebian: I think siretart had something
[04:13] <crimsun> bddebian: besides apt-cache unmet?
[04:14] <LaserJock> bddebian: you might try http://tiber.tauware.de/~siretart/unmet/dapper-unmet.txt
[04:17] <LaserJock> does lvm *not* work for certain things? booting is one I think
[04:18] <bddebian> LaserJock: It used to not work for booting, I dunno if that is still the case or not
[04:19] <crimsun> lvm works fine with lilo.
[04:20] <crimsun> well, unless you sacrifice chickens, but then you probably have more significant issues than lvm
[04:20] <LaserJock> lol
[04:22] <LaserJock> hmm, are there any drawbacks to lvm? I tried googling but that didn't really give me much helpful
[04:23] <crimsun> more pieces to upgrade (installer handles them fine), lilo required, etc.
[04:23] <crimsun> frankly the flexibility afforded by lvm over say, my static install is overwhelming
[04:25] <LaserJock> yeah, I've juggled partitions for the last couple years, but for Dapper I'm going to wipe my drive and start from scratch
[04:25] <LaserJock> you have to use lilo, or can you use grub if you have a regular /boot partition?
[04:25] <Chipzz> why not just use one big partition?
[04:26] <Chipzz> the days when you needed a seperate /boot are long over, no?
[04:26] <LaserJock> Chipzz: well, I prefer grub
[04:27] <Chipzz> and using one big partition prevents you from using grub how?
[04:27] <LaserJock> Chipzz: well that is what I'm unsure of
[04:27] <LaserJock> if lvm plays well with one big partition
[04:27] <Chipzz> I have one big partition on this laptop
[04:27] <Chipzz> well
[04:27] <Chipzz> one big / and then swap ofcourse
[04:28] <LaserJock> and grub?
[04:28] <Chipzz> yes
[04:28] <Chipzz> this disk is only 30GB though
[04:28] <LaserJock> do you have chroots or pbuilders on it?
[04:28] <Chipzz> yes
[04:28] <LaserJock> k, cool
[04:28] <LaserJock> that is sort of what I wanted to know
[04:29] <Chipzz> lvm is nice if you have multiple hd's and want to merge them I guess
[04:29] <LaserJock> I've just never looked at lvm so I'm afraid I'm quite the newb
[04:29] <LaserJock> I just have 1 120GB drive for linux
[04:29] <Chipzz> but I was a bit tired of using a seperate (too small) /, next to seperate /usr etc...
[04:29] <LaserJock> but I often like to resize partitions
[04:30] <Chipzz> ubuntu kernels are quite big :P
[04:30] <crimsun> please, let's not rehash _that_ :)
[04:30] <Chipzz> *g* ;)
[04:30] <Chipzz> but they are :P
[04:31] <crimsun> you can always build your own :)
[04:31] <LaserJock> I don't really care about the size of the kernel
[04:31] <Chipzz> crimsun: doesn't work for me
[04:31] <Chipzz> for some reason baking my own doesn't include the ipw2200 firmware :/
[04:31] <LaserJock> I spent so much time redoing kernels in Gentoo, I like having one that "just works"
[04:32] <Chipzz> LaserJock: make one, then use make oldconfig?
[04:32] <crimsun> when you roll your own, you just need to drop the firmware files in /lib/firmware/$(uname -r)
[04:32] <Chipzz> crimsun: yes, but I want them to be in my kernel deb
[04:32] <crimsun> you don't even need make oldconfig, since /boot/config-$(uname -r) is parsed first
[04:32] <LaserJock> crimsun: cool
[04:36] <Amaranth> stupid xchat python
[04:57] <joelbryan> anyone, what's a good docu to start off packaging easily
[04:58] <LaserJock> joelbryan: doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[04:59] <LaserJock> joelbryan: and then http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[04:59] <joelbryan> does it depends on Makefile.am or should I recreate them in debian/rules file?
[05:00] <LaserJock> joelbryan: does what depend?
[05:01] <joelbryan> if I'm going to create a deb package, will dpkg-buildepackage use Makefile.am?
[05:01] <Chipzz> joelbryan: afaik this is not related to dpkg-buildepackage at all
[05:01] <Chipzz> joelbryan: but to automake
[05:02] <Chipzz> joelbryan: normally, the Makefile has rules to check if Makefile.in and Makefile.am or more recent
[05:02] <Chipzz> s/or/are
[05:02] <Chipzz> but you may want to do the regeneration yourself, as you have more control about the version and command-line switches
[05:03] <lifeless> Chipzz: AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS in Makefile.am
[05:03] <lifeless> Chipzz: sets the options
[05:03] <Chipzz> lifeless: and autoconf options etc?
[05:03] <lifeless> Chipzz: set in configure.ac
[05:03] <Chipzz> lifeless: since what version of automake/autoconf ?
[05:03] <lifeless> about the only ones not controllable are -i and -c
[05:04] <joelbryan> because Makefile.am also have rules where to put the package, and debian/rules also, i'm confused.
[05:04] <Chipzz> prolly that was what I was thinking off
[05:04] <lifeless> Chipzz: been improving slowly for ages.
[05:04] <Chipzz> lifeless: so you may not want to rely on that for older versions of autoconf/automake, right?
[05:04] <lifeless> Chipzz: well, thats true.
[05:05] <Chipzz> :)
[07:11] <joelbryan> hello, why do I get License, Blank, when issuing dh_make?
[07:12] <joelbryan> but I copied /usr/share/common-license/GPL-2 to mypackagedir/LICENSE
[07:29] <lifeless> joelbryan: ifI may suggest, it appears you are missing some of the basics about how packaging works. Any of the HOWTO's  or the new maintainer pguide would probably be useful to you
[07:32] <joelbryan> i just figure it out, i should issue -c gpl with dh_make
[07:33] <lifeless> ok, cool
[08:14] <joelbryan> hello, I issue dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, but I got chmod: cannot access build-tree/<package>/configure, but I have src/ directory in the current dir.
[08:14] <joelbryan> I'm sorry, should I unpack the package.tar.gz in the build-tree dir?
[08:16] <joelbryan> should I do it manually or there's a config file in debian/ where I can edit
[08:17] <joelbryan> I'm choose a cdbs package.
[08:22] <LaserJock> joelbryan: maybe you should look at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html and http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[09:13] <joelbryan> hello, how can I define my PGP in my package?
[09:57] <crimsun> joelbryan: clarify, please?
[10:43] <\sh> morning
[10:44] <\sh> oh well, it's nice to have something to do during the week :)
[10:50] <nomed> Mithrandir: around ?
[10:54] <Mithrandir> nomed: yes
[10:55] <nomed> is it still possible to get new pkges in universe ?
[10:55] <nomed> Pinot released the version 0.46 ...
[10:55] <nomed> i was waitin for that .. as now it builds using firefox-dev
[10:56] <nomed> and it would be a suitable desktop search app for xubuntu
[10:56] <nomed> not talkin about main just universe (obviously)
[10:58] <joelbryan> hello, in ubuntu, where would /usr/libexec apps be installed?
[11:00] <joelbryan> can I use the /usr/libexec dir for my apps?
[11:01] <lifeless> hi joelbryan. I'm seeing a series of contextless questions from you.
[11:02] <lifeless> maybe we can help you more for packaging if you give us some context.
[11:02] <joelbryan> I mean, where would perl scripts be installed? in /usr/bin?
[11:03] <lifeless> this page http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/ describes packaging of perl programs for debian
[11:03] <joelbryan> I'm currently editing my Makefile.am, I have 2 perl scripts and 1 bash, and 1 gtk+ app, I don't know the standards of putting those files, so I use /usr/libexec for my scripts instead.
[11:04] <lifeless> this is why I suggested you might like to read the HOWTO for packaging. Packaging is not complex, but theres lots of little details
[11:04] <lifeless> and starting cold with a new package is hard without guidance :)
[11:04] <lifeless> anyhow, all programs go in /usr/bin
[11:05] <joelbryan> including perl scripts?
[11:05] <lifeless> the program the user runs yes
[11:06] <joelbryan> no, it is run by another app
[11:07] <lifeless> please dont take offense at this, but I don't have the time to do 20-questions-to-package your code. I'm sure some of the MOTU's would be delighted to create ubuntu packages for you, or you *really should* read the guides for new packagers
[11:09] <joelbryan> i learned alot from the docu, I can now capable of creating .deb files from source,  my problem is I have 3 apps that should not be executed, and only 1 app should be executed. I can't find a directory where I can put those 3 apps.
[11:09] <lifeless> have you read the new maintainers guide ?
[11:10] <joelbryan> from debian, currently reading it, from doc.ubuntu.com yes
[11:16] <lifeless> joelbryan: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLIBLIBRARIESFORPROGRAMMINGANDPA
[11:16] <lifeless> debian mostly follows the FHS
[01:21] <jaldhar> joelbryan: if the script is run by the user it goes in /usr/bin.  If it is only used internally by a program it goes into /usr/lib/<package> if arch-dependent or /usr/share/<package> id arch-independant.  Debian doesn't use /usr/libexec
[01:29] <nomed> raphink: ping
[02:45] <raphink> pong nomed
[02:46] <raphink> nomed: I added you
[02:46] <nomed> raphink: thanks :)
[03:06] <JohnnyMast> where can i download trac hmmm
[03:06] <JohnnyMast> found it
[03:37] <siretart> slomo: around?
[03:37] <slomo> siretart: yes
[03:38] <siretart> slomo: could you please have a look at #27983
[03:38] <siretart> bug #27983
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27983 in openal libopenal0 "libopenal0: openal changed API without adjusting versioning" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/27983
[03:38] <siretart> slomo: I have now done the whole transition including test builds, patches and so on to get this through universe
[03:39] <siretart> slomo: do I need a UVF report to start this transition? mdz told me to do so, but this was before it was demoted to universe
[03:39] <slomo> are new upstream versions involved? then yes... otherwise i'm fine without one
[03:40] <siretart> slomo: openal IS a new upstream, freealut used to be a part of openal
[03:40] <siretart> slomo: there are only 2 new upstreams involved: osgal-cvs and openalpp-cvs (both highly unstable development snapshots)
[03:41] <siretart> the rest keeps the upstream versions: xpilot-ng, vegastrike, trigger, torcs, scorched3d, python-openal, flightgear, chromium, boson-base
[03:42] <slomo> hm then better ask dholbach too... i would be fine with the new upstream versions
[03:43] <siretart> slomo: I have them in a local repo right now. amd64 only, because I thought that might be more challanging than i386
[03:43] <siretart> sources + binaries
[03:43] <siretart> only 122mb big :)
[03:45] <slomo> siretart: when they work on amd64 they most probably work on x86 too ;) i trust you that this won't break anything and that any unexpected breakages could be fixed rather fast
[03:45] <siretart> slomo: I've done the whole transistion in a few hours (thanks to reprepro, schroot and sbuild).
[03:46] <siretart> slomo: if you don't have any other concerns, I'd rather not wait for dholbach, because I'd rather like to start this transition quick.
[03:46] <siretart> I mean, I tested it, debian went through it without much hassle
[03:46] <slomo> siretart: ok... so do it then :)
[03:47] <siretart> and regarding osgal-cvs and openalpp-cvs.. well, that are unstable development snapshots
[03:47] <siretart> ok. then lets upoad freealut and openal first. they need both to go through new
[03:49] <phanatic> hi people
[03:49] <siretart> err, even better. they just need to be synced.
[03:56] <phanatic> hi Gloubiboulga
[03:57] <Gloubiboulga> hey phanatic
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:19] <jpatrick> hey bddebian
[04:19] <bddebian> Hello jpatrick
[04:56] <zakame> hi MOTUs
[04:56] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:09] <LaserJock> morning all
[05:09] <Gloubiboulga> morning LaserJock
[05:09] <LaserJock> well, I tried out the Beta livecd last night
[05:09] <Gloubiboulga> well, afternoon LaserJock (it's 5pm here)
[05:10] <LaserJock> the livecd is great, espresso is, ummm, difficult
[05:10] <webwolf_27> hi LaserJock
[05:10] <LaserJock> hi Gloubiboulga and webwolf_27
[05:10] <zakame> hello LaserJock Gloubiboulga
[05:10] <LaserJock> hi zakame
[05:10] <webwolf_27> LaserJock, ok, whatever that second word meens
[05:11] <LaserJock> webwolf_27: it is the livecd installer (now called ubiquity, I think)
[05:11] <jpatrick> haha
[05:11] <Gloubiboulga> hi zakame
[05:12] <Gloubiboulga> LaserJock, I've used it with the Xubuntu live cd, it worked just fine
[05:13] <LaserJock> I think I'm going to have to download the regular install cd
[05:13] <webwolf_27> ok, I'm just working on getting the DHCP-client on the notebook setup
[05:20] <phanatic> hi zakame, raphink
[05:21] <LaserJock> hi raphink and bmonty
[05:21] <bmonty> morning LaserJock
[05:21] <raphink> hi phanatic && LaserJock
[05:22] <zakame> hi phanatic raphink bmonty
[05:22] <raphink> hi zakame
[05:23] <zakame> gaah my DhIconCache uploads haven't shown up to now... is it really low priority, or rejected already? :/
[05:23] <crimsun> you haven't gotten any rejection e-mails?
[05:24] <crimsun> if not, are you using the correct key?
[05:24] <zakame> no, no REJECTEDs, and using my only key
[05:27] <crimsun> perhaps ping elmo on Monday
[05:31] <LaserJock> anybody know offhand if the livecd has gparted on it?
[05:33] <LaserJock> so far Dapper Beta is turning into a more frustrating install the Gentoo
[05:34] <nomed> LaserJock: espresso-frontend-gtk depends on gparted
[05:36] <LaserJock> ah, ok. so maybe I can partition everythin in gparted and then run espresso
[05:47] <nomed> LaserJock: gparted is in expresso
[05:47] <nomed> it would be a good test to partition your hd from within it :) .. i guess
[05:47] <LaserJock> that is my problem, I can't get it to partition right
[05:48] <nomed> i've had some problem too ..
[05:48] <nomed> i tried to (re)format  a partition from ext2 to ext3
[05:48] <nomed> the result was the livecd installed on an ext2 fs
[05:49] <LaserJock> I just want to wipe my drive and start over
[05:49] <crimsun> using *parted? and that failed? it's just a tune2fs operation, so that's a pretty silly bug
[05:49] <LaserJock> I was going to do LVM but I don't see any options
[05:49] <LaserJock> and then I tried just setting up regular partitions, and that didn't really work either
[05:49] <LaserJock> so I think I need to partition before I run espresso
[05:51] <nomed> crimsun: once i got the error msg saying the dev was busy
[05:51] <nomed> i'll test the install again with the new livecd
[05:52] <nomed> ahh .. the device was not busy in real .. and not mounted anywhere
[07:10] <bmonty> anyone know how to get rid of a pending merge in bzr?
[07:10] <bmonty> not even sure I know how a merge gets marked as pending
[07:30] <nomed> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2294
[07:30] <nomed> could anyone review this pkge ?
[07:41] <\sh> any objecttons if I'm trying again to become a motu? :)
[07:41] <\sh> objections
[07:42] <bmonty> hi \sh!
[07:43] <\sh> hey bmonty
[07:43] <bmonty> \sh: did you stop being an MOTU?
[07:44] <\sh> yes..I removed myself from the dev and core dev team because of private issues
[07:45] <\sh> well, it means, i didn't stop being a motu, but I removed the rights to upload :)
[07:46] <bmonty> well if it was up to me I would re-add you now :)
[07:48] <\sh> no..that I wouldn't want...
[07:48] <\sh> I'll go the way again :)
[11:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[11:58] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[11:59] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock