[12:47] <axl000> anyone can help me to install alsa
[12:51] <Burgundavia> axl000: it should already be installed
[12:53] <axl000> i want to install the last version
[12:53] <axl000> but no one help me
[01:26] <alexcamilo> Does anyone know where i can get a DVD iso? its not listed on the website.
[01:26] <alexcamilo> * download site
[01:27] <alexcamilo> is it still "under construction"
[01:34] <bimberi> alexcamilo: i'm fairly sure there's no edubuntu DVD iso
[01:34] <alexcamilo> oh
[01:35] <alexcamilo> oh whell
[09:14] <cbx33> ogra_ibook: when you are around, I still can't get bzr to download
[09:43] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[10:04] <cbx33> ogra_ibook: problem with latest CD image - ltsp-client-builder failes
[10:18] <linuxboy> hi
[10:18] <linuxboy> I'm playing with LTSP
[10:18] <linuxboy> I heard I can get a sort of "fat" client in ltsp
[10:18] <linuxboy> is that correct?
[10:21] <cbx33> linuxboy: I'm not sure, I've only used the thin ones 
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra_ibook: would know for sure
[10:21] <cbx33> but he's not here right now
[10:23] <linuxboy> cbx33: I want it so I can spacify programs that will run on the client
[10:23] <cbx33> in wahat way
[10:23] <cbx33> you could uninstall programs from the chroot
[10:37] <spacey> linuxboy: LTSP supports local programs
[10:37] <spacey> the Ubuntu LTSP version doesn't afaik
[10:37] <spacey> anyway see www.ltsp.org
[10:37] <linuxboy> spacey: what is it caled ?
[10:38] <spacey> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
[10:39] <spacey> oh its not in there
[10:39] <spacey> i thought i read it somewhere
[10:40] <spacey>  Local Applications
[10:40] <spacey> Applications typically run on the server, and display their output on the thin client display. With LTSP, it is possible to run an application on the thin client, thereby utilizing more of the local resources and putting less of a load on the server. We call this Local Apps.
[10:40] <spacey> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
[10:41] <cbx33> spacey: did you say this is or isn't supported in edubuntu?
[10:41] <spacey> isn't i think, at least not that i know of
[10:41] <spacey> but you would have to check with ogra
[10:41] <cbx33> ah I have many questions for that man
[10:41] <spacey> if i look at the LocalApps page at ltsp it doesn't look really pretty
[10:42] <spacey> i would _never_ use that
[10:43] <cbx33> no
[10:43] <cbx33> you're right
[10:43] <cbx33> it's just that I have quite powerful thin client machines, would be nice to utilise that power
[10:44] <cbx33> maybe eft+1
[10:45] <spacey> well in the end it will probably cost more effort then you gain
[10:45] <spacey> at least the way the ltsp guys do it
[10:46] <spacey> and you lose any form of security
[10:46] <spacey> :P
[10:46] <spacey> really has to implemented differently if you want local apps
[10:47] <cbx33> yeh
[10:48] <cbx33> Damn it I need to get this AD integration sorted
[10:54] <spacey> at least that possible in a sane way
[10:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:59] <cbx33> may need a bit of guidence :D - hopeing to make a configuration tool for it
[10:59] <cbx33> like sadms
[11:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: hi there! sorry in meeting, taking break now.
[11:04] <linuxboy> cbx33: I think localapps is great for things like OOo and firefox
[11:04] <linuxboy> Burgundavia: (memory hogs)
[11:05] <juliux> i think at frist we need local device support
[11:06] <linuxboy> thats true
[11:06] <cbx33> indeed
[11:06] <cbx33> local device support is a must
[11:06] <juliux> if we have local device support i only will use thinclients at home
[11:07] <cbx33> but then equally i think ms integration is a mus also
[11:07] <cbx33> so many schools need to be coaxed into using linux
[11:07] <cbx33> if they can use LTSP and still get it to authenticate against their existing MS domain
[11:08] <cbx33> we stand a better chance
[11:13] <highvoltage> linuxboy: you might also want to take a look at lessdisks
[11:13] <highvoltage> (apt-cache show lessdisks)
[11:15] <cbx33> how does it differ highvoltage 
[11:15] <cbx33> highvoltage: do you do any motu work?
[11:16] <cbx33> there is an error in the latest cd install with regards to LTSP, can anyone else confirm this?
[11:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: it also builds a chroot, but it configures the client that boots as a fat client, and also sets up things like tmpfs, etc for you
[11:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: i got started with motu late last year, but it's gone very slow since my internet connection at home died
[11:18] <linuxboy> highvoltage: can you specify a single app to execute on teh client ?
[11:18] <highvoltage> linuxboy: for that you'll need to use LTSP.org atm
[11:19] <linuxboy> highvoltage: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps
[11:19] <linuxboy> highvoltage: ^^^ that?
[11:19] <highvoltage> linuxboy: or you can do some hacking to the ubuntu ltsp, which is a lot of work, and currently undocumented.
[11:19] <highvoltage> linuxboy: yep, that11:07 < cbx33> but then equally i think ms integration is a mus also
[11:20] <highvoltage> oops, mouse mistake
[11:20] <highvoltage> linuxboy: yes, that link, if you're using LTSP.org
[11:20] <linuxboy> that I am
[11:21] <linuxboy> I didn't know there were other thin clitne type projects
[11:26] <cbx33> anyone know if the earlier builds work ok with installing LTSP
[11:26] <cbx33> the current build bombs out for me
[11:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: afaik all the dapper ones more or less worked, are you installing your chroot over the internet?
[11:28] <cbx33> the dapper one did work on the 20th
[11:28] <cbx33> it doesn't work now on the 24th :p
[11:29] <highvoltage> ah, daily builds? they're not extremely reliable (or even tested)
[11:29] <highvoltage> best is to try a flight CD
[11:29] <highvoltage> sorry, the beta cd.
[11:29] <cbx33> no I tend to try them out for ogra_ibook 
[11:29] <linuxboy> the problem with the beta cd is you can't get from the repos
[11:29] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[11:29] <linuxboy> because they have moved on already
[11:38] <highvoltage> linuxboy: yep, although that's true for the daily builds too :)
[11:39] <linuxboy> the beta is just a snapshot cd
[11:41] <spacey> whats moved?
[11:42] <linuxboy> spacey: packages upgraded
[12:04] <cbx33> ooooooooggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :p
[12:05] <juliux> cbx33, i think you get an highlight only with ogra_ibook 
[12:06] <cbx33> juliux: thanks for the tip
[12:06] <cbx33> :p
[12:14] <cbx33> ogra: w00t 
[12:14] <cbx33> how are ya ?
[12:41] <Bluekuja> hi cbx33 :)
[12:41] <Bluekuja> mr highvoltage good morning
[12:46] <cbx33> h Bluekuja 
[12:50] <highvoltage> morning Bluekuja 
[12:50] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: afternoon now :)
[12:50] <Bluekuja> i have created all channels
[12:50] <Bluekuja> pete
[12:50] <Bluekuja> later you can join 
[12:50] <Bluekuja> to take a look
[01:13] <ogra> highvoltage, ping
[01:14] <highvoltage> ogra: pong
[01:15] <ogra> who broke the mailing list headers ?
[01:15] <ogra> there is a reply to list header set ... thats evil evil evil, please revert that asap
[01:16] <ogra> (since when is that btw ?)
[01:18] <juliux> ogra, since last week i think, if i look to the mail header
[01:19] <ogra> yep, i just talked to jane
[01:19] <juliux> ah
[01:19] <juliux> i only check my local mails ,)
[01:29] <cbx33> ogra: Hi
[01:29] <ogra> hey
[01:29] <cbx33> there seems to be a problem with LTSP on the beta
[01:34] <cbx33> it's bombing out during installation
[01:35] <cbx33> oh btw
[01:35] <cbx33> I've finished and tested those man pages
[01:35] <cbx33> I can't get bzr to work
[01:36] <cbx33> It keeps coming up with the reconcile message, even though I've deleted the dir.
[01:36] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-sshkeys.txthttp://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-kernels.txthttp://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-build-client.txt
[01:36] <cbx33> grrr
[01:36] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-sshkeys.txt
[01:36] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-kernels.txt
[01:36] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-build-client.txt
[01:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i changed some settings wrt the sender filters, but nothing wrt the headers. what is wrong?
[01:39] <ogra> highvoltage, its reverted already, dont worry ... Jane switched on header mangling 
[01:39] <highvoltage> ok, cool.
[01:39] <ogra> (and reverted it already)
[01:40] <JaneW> sorry, made sense to me at the time...
[01:41] <highvoltage> well, there's only one way of finding out if something works in mailman, and that's to try it :)
[01:43] <ogra> sure, but breaking list headers is evil, please discuss such steps before :)
[01:44] <highvoltage> of course :)
[01:44] <highvoltage> i'm sure all feature breakage will be planned way in advance :)
[01:44] <ogra> (it resulted for me in getting all mails multiple times)
[01:44] <cbx33> even LTSP? :p
[01:45] <ogra> highvoltage, its aboput time to start thinking about our goals for edgy 
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra: was the beta build the one that I tested a few days ago?
[01:46] <ogra> i think so
[01:46] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:46] <highvoltage> ogra: you know I have lots of ideas, I'll compile a list, although I'm in no position to decide, of course, since you do all the work :)
[01:46] <cbx33> well LTSP won;t install on this machine
[01:47] <ogra> highvoltage, i'd like to get more help, really :)
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra: although, the builders are coming tomorrow to fix the pipe at my home, so I might have internet at home real soon then i can get very incolved there again :)
[01:47] <ogra> cbx33, ?
[01:47] <ogra> details ?
[01:47] <ogra> highvoltage, yeah
[01:47] <cbx33> I'll help you out ogra if I can be of any help
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra: where are the places where i can get involved with that would be the biggest help?
[01:48] <cbx33> in the Build LTSP chroot step on the installation it bombs out
[01:48] <ogra> so tell me when/where adnb why doesnt LTSP install ?
[01:48] <ogra> ah
[01:48] <ogra> switch to console #3 and see whats breaking
[01:48] <cbx33> is that known?
[01:48] <cbx33> there are problems and -y was used without --force-yes
[01:49] <ogra> you can also file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/messages, that holds the build log for the ltsp chroot
[01:50] <cbx33> is it a universe problem you think?
[01:51] <juliux> ogra, why is an ubuntu bootsplash on the thinclients? 
[01:51] <ogra> because i suck
[01:51] <cbx33> never ogra 
[01:51] <cbx33> don't blaspheme:p
[01:51] <ogra> cbx33, in that case i do :)
[01:51] <cbx33> possibly a local diversion of the start-stop-daemon
[01:51] <ogra> its an issue i still need to fix
[01:52] <ogra> and there is no easy way to do that
[01:52] <ogra> mdz will slay me :)
[01:52] <cbx33> anything I can help with?
[01:52] <highvoltage> mdz is a strange phenonemon in that way.
[01:52] <ogra> cbx33, yes, file the bug :)
[01:52] <highvoltage> he's super super strict, and it's a pain in so many ways it seems,
[01:53] <highvoltage> but it does result in much better quality, and things do get done the right way in the end.
[01:53] <ogra> it requires a change to ltsp thats not really non intrusive and that i missed before feature freeze ...
[01:53] <highvoltage> ouch.
[01:53] <ogra> my job is to convince him that its no new feature before i can get it in
[01:54] <highvoltage> but it isn't, is it?
[01:54] <juliux> hm we can write a howto you how you can change it ;)
[01:54] <ogra> nah
[01:54] <ogra> i need to fix it
[01:54] <ogra> the ldm login is also not switched to the shipped edubuntu theme
[01:54] <ogra> cbx33, thanks
[01:54] <highvoltage> well, technically... the chroot is running more of an Ubuntu than an Edubuntu, so it's not completely wrong :)
[01:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:56] <highvoltage> ogra: please think about my question earlier, I'm glad to help out wherever I can, I just need to know which areas you need help with, so that I can do some reading, etc.
[01:56] <cbx33> ogra: me too
[01:57] <ogra> grab the ltsp bzr tree from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ and make your changes ;)
[01:57] <cbx33> I can't get the tree
[01:57] <cbx33> it doesn't work
[01:57] <ogra> i'll happily merge all sane patches :)
[01:57] <cbx33> it keeps talking about reconciling
[01:57] <ogra> did you ask in #bzr ?
[01:57] <cbx33> no...
[01:58] <cbx33> I'll try again on this machine....I just need the upto date version of bzr
[01:59] <juliux> ogra, can you give me a contact to the press officer from canonical?
[01:59] <ogra> hmm, not really, i guess silbs is the right person
[01:59] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[02:03] <cbx33> ogra: how can i transfer data from the b0rked installation
[02:03] <cbx33> sftp isn't installed, nor ftp
[02:03] <ogra> sure, sftp clientside is installed
[02:03] <ogra> use scp :)
[02:04] <cbx33> did you mean just switch to console 2
[02:04] <ogra> console 3
[02:04] <cbx33> no i mean to be able to transfer
[02:04] <ogra> but if you finished the install, just the above logfile will do it
[02:04] <cbx33> will it?
[02:04] <ogra> that doesnt matter 
[02:04] <cbx33> i didn't finish the install
[02:04] <ogra> you can also do it under X
[02:04] <ogra> ah
[02:05] <ogra> k, then use console 2 and use scp
[02:05] <cbx33> ok
[02:05] <cbx33> scp command not found - am I stupid here?
[02:05] <ogra> the log is /var/log/messages in the installer if the install didnt finish
[02:05] <cbx33> yes I've cat'd that and verified it
[02:05] <cbx33> just need to transfer it
[02:06] <cbx33> which is where my brain fails
[02:06] <ogra> ah, wait, there is a installer step in the menu ... "install installer components" or something like that
[02:06] <cbx33> ok
[02:06] <ogra> look if you can install the openssh client there
[02:07] <ogra> its not in the installer by default
[02:08] <cbx33> excellent
[02:09] <cbx33> ok, gonna bug it now
[02:12] <ogra> thanks, assign it directly to me
[02:12] <cbx33> ogra: what package is it?
[02:12] <cbx33> ltsp-client-builder?
[02:13] <ogra> just ltsp
[02:13] <ogra> (sourcepackage name)
[02:13] <cbx33> ltsp-client-builder is a package name apparently :p
[02:13] <cbx33> but I've done ltsp
[02:14] <ogra> ltsp-client-builder is a binary
[02:14] <ogra> the binary packages will likely be dropped from malone
[02:15] <cbx33> ahh
[02:16] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/41088
[02:18] <cbx33> rying to get bzr again
[02:19] <cbx33> ogra: would there be any harm in reconcileing the repo?
[02:19] <cbx33> does it take a long time?
[02:20] <ogra> dunno, never had to do it
[02:20] <ogra> worst case i couldnt merge your changes
[02:20] <cbx33> well, I can't get the repo
[02:21] <cbx33> it's bombing out at phase 2/4
[02:21] <cbx33> in the fetch phase
[02:21] <cbx33> taking ages too :p
[02:23] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bastel$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/
[02:23] <ogra> Inventory ok.
[02:23] <ogra> Branched 303 revision(s).
[02:23] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bastel$
[02:23] <ogra> hmm, works 
[02:23] <cbx33> very nice
[02:23] <cbx33> not a shred of luck here
[02:23] <cbx33> \ [[02:23] <cbx33> been hanging on that for the last 5 minutes
[02:24] <ogra> you wiped the folder completely ?
[02:24] <cbx33> i did indeed
[02:24] <ogra> good
[02:24] <ogra> just let it sit there
[02:24] <ogra> it will move on ;)
[02:24] <cbx33> :p
[02:25] <ogra> (either with error or succsessfull, but it will move on ;) )
[02:25] <cbx33> so seriously like highvoltage said, I'm up for helping with anything else I can too
[02:26] <ogra> so about your bug, thats definately a beta iso ?
[02:26] <cbx33> yes
[02:26] <cbx33> and I media checked it and md5sum'd it too
[02:27] <ogra> and its the default run of ltsp-client-builder ? not a manual second one ?
[02:27] <cbx33> nope the inital default run
[02:28] <cbx33> I was installing just as I did before
[02:28] <cbx33> with that daily build
[02:28] <ogra> hmm, i have no explanation for that error then
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra: anything you want me to try....a different machine?
[02:28] <cbx33> I have the ltsp bzr tree
[02:29] <ogra> it can only occur if packages are either missin (whic is the case in all dailies after beta atm) or if they already have a config and cant prompt (second manual run of the builder for example)
[02:29] <cbx33> i see
[02:30] <cbx33> would running it without the ability to contact the net help do you think?
[02:30] <ogra> i'll try myself again... but all betas worked here
[02:30] <cbx33> so it get's everything off the cd
[02:30] <ogra> hmm, try it
[02:30] <cbx33> ok
[02:30] <cbx33> now wrt ltsp
[02:30] <ogra> it shoulndt get anything from the nte though
[02:30] <cbx33> do you have a few seconds spare to help me out.....
[02:31] <cbx33> i now have you bzr tree
[02:31] <cbx33> do copy my files into the server dir 
[02:31] <ogra> put the manpages in the debian dir and add the appropriate dh_installman directives in the rules file
[02:31] <cbx33> ok
[02:37] <cbx33> do i use debuild to build the source package?
[02:38] <cbx33> ogra: there are some un merged changes I think in the changelog?
[02:39] <ogra> bzr status will tell you
[02:40] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:40] <ogra> oh, no, there was a conflict
[02:40] <cbx33> thought so :p
[02:40] <cbx33> sorry I'm used to svn
[02:46] <pygi> JaneW, spacey,highvoltage, ogra: Hi hi
[02:46] <ogra> jiji
[02:46] <ogra> oh
[02:46] <ogra> hihi too
[02:46] <JaneW> hi pygi 
[02:46] <ogra> cbx33, pushing the fix now
[02:47] <cbx33> thank you ogra 
[02:47] <spacey> pong
[02:47] <spacey> hi
[02:47] <cbx33> sorry to cause you so much hastle
[02:47] <ogra> you can just run bzr pull if its finished to get it
[02:47] <pygi> spacey: how's the book? :)
[02:47] <spacey> on schedule for that chapters assigned to me
[02:47] <ogra> cbx33, you discovered a bug, thats no hassle :) i wonder why nobody noticed it before 
[02:47] <ogra> (including me)
[02:48] <cbx33> heh
[02:48] <cbx33> well,,,I do try
[02:48] <cbx33> not to make more work for you ogra :p
[02:48] <ogra> but that might be because i mostly work on the dapper, not on the devel branch :)
[02:48] <pygi> spacey: oki doki :)
[02:48] <ogra> should chaneg that habit now :)
[02:48] <ogra> *change
[02:48] <spacey> pygi: what about you
[02:49] <pygi> Done with entire Part I
[02:49] <spacey> nice
[02:49] <ogra> (devel is/will be the edgy eft branch btw)
[02:49] <spacey> is it in the wiki yet?
[02:49] <pygi> spacey: nop, will be sometimes later
[02:49] <pygi> still checking it, etc
[02:49] <spacey> ok
[02:49] <pygi> JaneW: wanna write the artwork thingy? we have no one to write it :)
[02:49] <spacey> if you put it in the wiki we can check it as well ;)
[02:49] <cbx33> yeh i thought so
[02:49] <pygi> spacey: will do this week :)
[02:50] <pygi> spacey: that seems reasonable for me :)
[02:50] <pygi> thoughts?
[02:51] <cbx33> ogra: is the confilct fixed, or should I just ignore it?
[02:51] <cbx33> I'm not pullingany new revisions
[02:51] <ogra> bzr push still runs
[02:52] <ogra> guve iut a second )or 30)
[02:53] <ogra> that should have been: give it a second (or 30)
[02:53] <ogra> my typing really sucks today
[02:54] <cbx33> i got that :p
[02:56] <pygi> spacey: alive? :)
[02:56] <ogra> pushing is really slow ...
[02:56] <ogra> pulling is reasonable fast ...
[02:57] <cbx33> bzr seems really slow
[02:57] <cbx33> first time I ever used it
[02:57] <ogra> sftp is
[02:57] <ogra> the rsync transport is fast ...
[02:57] <spacey> pygi: alive but working
[02:57] <pygi> spacey: okie dokie...enjoy :)
[02:57] <spacey> pygi: I was planning to have it finished at 10th
[02:58] <pygi> spacey: great
[02:58] <cbx33> got it ogra 
[02:58] <ogra> cbx33, now run: bzr pull
[02:58] <ogra> should finish within seconds
[02:58] <cbx33> yes done
[02:58] <ogra> :)
[02:58] <ogra> great
[02:58] <cbx33> ok transfereed the files
[02:59] <JaneW> pygi: I can look at it...
[02:59] <pygi> JaneW: Look & Feel (Maintain artwork package,Fit your needs)
[02:59] <pygi> ok, great :-D
[02:59] <pygi> that is the only chapter we don't have people for =P
[02:59] <ogra> make a testbuild in pbuilder and check if the manpages end up in the right package (dpkg --contents)
[03:00] <ogra> (or dpkg -c)
[03:00] <cbx33> would debuild -S work?
[03:00] <ogra> might ... but you dont ahve the special chroot pbuilder uses 
[03:01] <ogra> (so you might miss dependencys for example)
[03:01] <cbx33> ok
[03:01] <ogra> pbuilder is the preferred variant we use, but debuild indeed works too
[03:01] <cbx33> ok
[03:02] <pygi> talk to you later
[03:04] <ogra> cbx33, do you have a webserver where you can push your tree with sftp (one that has a sshd running)
[03:04] <cbx33> I do, but not here
[03:04] <cbx33> I'm limited to port 80 whilst I'm at work
[03:05] <ogra> ok, create a bazaar directory there if you are home, so you can push it to a public place where i can pull it from to merge it
[03:05] <cbx33> ok, may need a little assistance
[03:06] <cbx33> but I'll do my best
[03:06] <ogra> if thats done, you'll only use bzr push/pull/commit 
[03:06] <cbx33> ogra: editing the rules file, 
[03:06] <ogra> s/use/have to use/
[03:06] <cbx33> me being a packaging n00b
[03:06] <cbx33> dh_installman -A ?
[03:06] <cbx33> should that work?
[03:06] <cbx33> to install all man pages
[03:06] <ogra>  man dh_installman ;)
[03:07] <cbx33> have done that :;)
[03:07] <ogra> good :)
[03:07] <cbx33> okk
[03:08] <ogra> you might need a .manpages file to define where they end up
[03:21] <Bluekuja> cbx33 :ping
[03:21] <cbx33> hi
[03:21] <Bluekuja> hey pete
[03:21] <Bluekuja> i have registered all channels
[03:21] <Bluekuja> that you requested
[03:21] <cbx33> hi, sorry I'll try those IRC channels when I get home
[03:21] <Bluekuja> perfect ;)
[03:21] <cbx33> I can;t have access to those here
[03:21] <Bluekuja> just ping me
[03:22] <Bluekuja> later
[03:22] <Bluekuja> ;)
[03:22] <cbx33> ogra: I'm gonna need some help with this......
[03:23] <ogra> just ask
[03:23] <cbx33> but I'll sort it out later when you have a spare sec....whooooops...does ogra have spare secs :p
[03:23] <cbx33> the dh_installman lines
[03:23] <ogra> i usually sleep during the spare secs :)
[03:23] <cbx33> I'm all confused.....
[03:23] <cbx33> by following another example
[03:24] <cbx33> I created the .manpages file
[03:24] <ogra> fine 
[03:24] <cbx33> but I'm getting
[03:24] <cbx33> doc/ltsp-update-kernels.8: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dh_installman line 116.
[03:24] <ogra> (a ltsp-server.manpages file i hope =
[03:24] <cbx33> in the man pages file it says
[03:24] <cbx33> doc/ltsp-update-kernels.8 is in the .manpages file
[03:25] <ogra> where is doc ?
[03:25] <cbx33> I seee the problem
[03:25] <cbx33> hang on
[03:25] <cbx33> some times just taling hekpls
[03:25] <ogra> did you add such a dir below the debian dir ?
[03:25] <cbx33> no
[03:26] <cbx33> we shall see if this works now
[03:27] <cbx33> should it be /source/doc
[03:27] <cbx33> or /source/debian/doc
[03:28] <ogra> what do you define in the .manpages file ? 
[03:28] <cbx33> doc/file.8
[03:28] <ogra> just wipe the doc/
[03:28] <cbx33> and keep the files in the /debian/ root?
[03:30] <ogra> yep
[03:30] <cbx33> still fails
[03:31] <cbx33> i have the .8 files in /source/debian/
[03:31] <cbx33> the doc dir is in /source/debian/doc
[03:31] <cbx33> the .manpages says doc/file.8
[03:32] <cbx33> what am i missing here
[03:32] <ogra> try debian/doc/manpage.8 in the manpages file
[03:32] <cbx33> ok
[03:35] <cbx33> gtg to meeting
[03:35] <cbx33> back later
[03:42] <cbx33> right...I managed to get VNC in my meeting :D
[03:42] <ogra> haha
[03:42] <cbx33> but it's still not working
[03:44] <cbx33> ahhhh
[03:44] <cbx33> i think my dh line is wrong
[03:44] <cbx33> ogra: just one final question...
[03:44] <cbx33> what should my dh_installman line be
[03:45] <ogra> i cant tell you from the top of my head
[03:45] <cbx33> np...i think I'm closer now
[03:45] <ogra> i'd pick a package that uses it and check that
[03:47] <cbx33> :D:D:D:D
[03:48] <cbx33> wooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo- ogra it worked :D
[03:49] <ogra> :)
[03:49] <cbx33> ok...now ive built it and it works.....what do you want from me
[03:49] <cbx33> a debdiff?
[03:50] <cbx33> or did you want me to commit directly?
[03:51] <ogra> nope, i want you to push your repo on a piublic place where i can merge it from
[03:51] <cbx33> ok, i'll do that later on :D
[03:52] <cbx33> i may need a bit of guidence
[04:04] <ogra> JaneW, ok, Amaranth just changed my mind ... i'll happily mentor his content filtering work ;)
[04:04] <ogra> (for SoC that is)
[04:06] <spacey> what will he be working on?
[04:06] <ogra> finishing willow and integrating it right
[04:07] <ogra> he has enough python and pygtk skills to do so :))
[04:07] <spacey> thats great
[04:08] <spacey> i look forward to the results :)
[04:08] <ogra> me too
[04:10] <JaneW> ogra: cool
[04:11] <ogra> there is aanother guy that probably likes to write some kdeedu replacements :)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> would that be you? heh
[04:14] <ogra> mentoring myself ?
[04:15] <ogra> nah, thanks, i wouldnt bear me
[04:16] <juliux> ogra, i hope you didnt mean me
[04:17] <ogra> juliux, you plan to apply for SoC ?
[04:18] <juliux> ogra, no
[04:18] <juliux> ogra, but i the future i will write something for ubunut
[04:18] <juliux> ubuntu
[04:19] <ogra> cool :)
[04:19] <juliux> ogra, i hope that i get my intership in england for the sommer so i can learn english
[04:32] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs
[04:32] <ogra> everybody feel free to join
[04:36] <ogra> he wrote the mmenu editor (alacarte) for us in ubuntu already
[04:36] <ogra> i trust his skills and that he does it *right* 
[04:37] <ogra> and he's a member of the community, so he'll be around after the SoC as well
[04:37] <ogra> (which was my main concern with the SoC stuff, unfinished things just stay like that)
[04:39] <highvoltage> ogra, JaneW: new edubuntu website might even be up today
[04:39] <highvoltage> Znarl is on it
[04:39] <spacey> will there also be edubuntu bug days? :P
[04:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: :))
[04:40] <highvoltage> (same goes for Xubuntu.org)
[04:40] <spacey> highvoltage: new website is finished?
[04:40] <highvoltage> spacey: not 100% 100%
[04:40] <spacey> i see :p
[04:41] <spacey> download link gives permission denied
[04:41] <ogra> spacey, not really planned, but i can ask the bugsquad
[04:41] <highvoltage> spacey: but Znarl will bring it up to 99%, and then we'll do the last few bits in the next few days
[04:41] <spacey> as well as the search box
[04:41] <ogra> i dont really see many edubuntu bugs though
[04:41] <spacey> ogra: is edubuntu seperate in launchpad anyway?
[04:41] <highvoltage> spacey: after that, pips1 and I have a big list of things we'd still like to implement :)
[04:41] <ogra> nope
[04:41] <spacey> so its not much use :)
[04:41] <ogra> but the QA guy we have now wants a default asignee for edubuntu bugs
[04:41] <spacey> ah
[04:42] <spacey> so now i get mail if someone assigns to edubuntu-bugs
[04:42] <spacey> thats nice
[04:42] <ogra> (he'll define edubuntu bugs as bugs in all packages that are in edubuntu beyond ubuntu)
[04:42] <spacey> highvoltage: kk:)
[04:42] <ogra> while i defined edubuntu bugs as bugs in edubuntu packages (edubuntu-artwork -meta) until now
[04:43] <ogra> (a bug in kdeedu is a kde bug imho)
[04:44] <ogra> spacey, not true
[04:44] <ogra> spacey, *now* you'll get these bugmails :)
[04:44] <spacey> :>
[04:44] <spacey> great
[04:44] <spacey> thats a nice thing
[04:44] <ogra> yep
[04:45] <ogra> it usually gets pretty noisy, but i dont fear that for edubuntu ...
[04:45] <ogra> (such a default subscriber address)
[04:45] <pygi> JaneW: still around?
[04:47] <pygi> ogra: any idea why we suggested creating config gui's for two proxy's?
[04:47] <ogra> we didnt
[04:47] <pygi> for SoC
[04:47] <ogra> (at least i didnt)
[04:47] <pygi> Willow and Squid
[04:47] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006
[04:47] <pygi> look
[04:47] <ogra> dunno whose idea the squid crap was, i wont support it
[04:48] <ogra> ask the person who submitted it
[04:48] <pygi> that was me :-/
[04:48] <ogra> why ? 
[04:48] <pygi> I'll just erase it
[04:48] <ogra> lets switch it then or merge them
[04:50] <pygi> ok
[04:50] <pygi> we can safely remove squid if you feel it's not good
[04:50] <ogra> willow is already python, has a gui and is far advanced beyond squid wrt filtering
[04:50] <pygi> agreed
[04:50] <ogra> and willow is my declared goal for edubuntu since breezy
[04:52] <spacey> that ifolder spec looks interesting
[04:52] <ogra> i think there are some discussions in the ML archive 
[04:52] <spacey> quite usefull since its multiplatform if they actually use ifolder
[04:52] <spacey> willow works great in any case:)
[04:52] <ogra> isnt ifolder even packaged already ? 
[04:53] <spacey> dunno
[04:53] <ogra> yes, willow is just a time consuming job to fix up
[04:53] <spacey> well not *really* time consuming, but compared to apt-get install it is i guess :)
[04:53] <spacey> only bad thing i noticed is that it produces zombie processes on regular basis
[04:54] <spacey> but not on every configuration
[04:54] <ogra> it is time consuming to rip out the profiler stuff and to get the init script for transparent proxying right
[04:54] <spacey> bit nasty
[04:54] <spacey> ogra: yes!
[04:54] <spacey> thats true :)
[04:54] <ogra> thats why i didnt touch it yet :)
[04:54] <pygi> ogra: ok, I removed it
[04:54] <ogra> so i'm really happy about the offer 
[04:54] <spacey> and it needs some extra features
[04:54] <ogra> i'm fine as is for an initial package
[04:55] <spacey> the page which is displayed when you visit a blocked page is hardcode in the code on different locations
[04:55] <ogra> (if everything included also works ... i.e. pam)
[04:55] <ogra> ah, ok, that should be trivial 
[04:55] <spacey> yeh
[04:56] <JaneW> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=1
[04:57] <ogra> uh, mono ? 
[04:57] <ogra> why that ? 
[04:58] <pygi> ogra: Because I am working on Diva video editor
[04:58] <pygi> Mono + C
[04:58] <ogra> worked nice here on the one test i did
[04:58] <pygi> highvoltage: tried...works :)
[04:59] <highvoltage> pygi: so i here :)
[04:59] <highvoltage> (hear)
[04:59] <ogra> JaneW, yay, cool
[05:00] <pygi> ogra: do you have a list of goals for edgy?
[05:00] <ogra> not yet
[05:00] <pygi> ogra: ok
[05:00] <ogra> i have a mental list for ltsp enhancements 
[05:00] <jsgotangco> ogra: where are edubuntu bugs assigned? -meta?
[05:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, either meta if its a meta bug or the specific app but assigned to edubuntu-bugs
[05:01] <JaneW> ogra: although it further entrenches edubuntu girl and our colour scheme :)
[05:02] <ogra> JaneW, tell that to silbs
[05:02] <JaneW> ogra: :/
[05:02] <ogra> i've given up after her comment that she'll approach cliff to make changes to the chalkboard, which i found a pretty awkward reaction on 2 no's from two persons she showed it
[05:03] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[05:04] <ogra> i'm totally oppsed to the chalkboard and will publically dissociate 
[05:04] <jsgotangco> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=3
[05:04] <jsgotangco> final?
[05:04] <ogra> if she insists to use it, she'll have to explain it to the people, not me
[05:04] <ogra> jsgotangco, indeed, written in stone !
[05:05] <ogra> jsgotangco, whats wrong with it 
[05:05] <ogra> ;) we surely can change it ;)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> it won't complement chalkboard
[05:05] <ogra> it was in correspondence with the first shiny wallpaper suggestions we had
[05:06] <ogra> indeed, not even gartonn works nice with a chalkboard
[05:06] <ogra> *gartoon
[05:06] <ogra> dont ask about the rest of the colorscheme
[05:07] <jsgotangco> i thought hande is the one coordinating such for edubuntu
[05:07] <ogra> (but "the berlin wall" fits very nicely in that shape indeed)
[05:07] <ogra> (not that i  sound bitter ... noo)
[05:07] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:07] <Bluekuja> ogra: i asked permission to join edubuntu-bugs team, im really interested in  bug triaging
[05:08] <ogra> fine
[05:08] <jsgotangco> there's edubuntu-bugs?
[05:08] <Bluekuja> im doing a lot of work also for the ubuntu one
[05:08] <Bluekuja> ;)
[05:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes as a default bug contact for the QA guy
[05:08] <jsgotangco> ogra: you guys alreaedy have the QA Engineer?
[05:08] <ogra> (its equivalent to a edubuntu-bugs mailing list in fact)
[05:09] <ogra> i think so ... i must admit i didnt follow closely, but i think there was someone introduced who'll start working soon
[05:10] <ogra> Bluekuja, approved :)
[05:10] <Bluekuja> tnx ogra ;) 
[05:10] <jsgotangco> what's the difference?
[05:10] <Bluekuja> ill report bugs in lp
[05:10] <jsgotangco> :P
[05:11] <Bluekuja> or both lp and ml?
[05:11] <ogra> Bluekuja, LP
[05:11] <Bluekuja> perfect
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: so much for being mr. edubuntu if you don't have a say on the end product
[05:13] <jsgotangco> ;)
[05:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, i have ... but apparently not for artwork anymore
[05:14] <jsgotangco> you'll get the blame if it backfires
[05:14] <ogra> yep
[05:15] <jsgotangco> brb new kernel
[05:28] <jsgotangco> ogra: are you familiar with LAMS?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> (its java though, sorry)
[05:29] <ogra> jsgotangco, i took a glance when mark mentioned it forst to me (several months ago)
[05:29] <ogra> *first
[05:29] <ogra> they try to get it running with gcj afaik
[05:29] <jsgotangco> they actually recommend ubuntu
[05:30] <ogra> we'll have it in edubuntu as soon as its possible to integrate it
[05:31] <ogra> i'll surely look at it for edgy
[05:31] <ogra> hmm, would "packaging LAMS for multiverse" make sense as a SoC spec ?
[05:32] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of multiverse too
[05:32] <jsgotangco> but isn't packaing too easy for SoC
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i will try to build it tomorrow
[05:33] <ogra> i think there is plenty of work involved in packaging it
[05:33] <HiddenWolf> afaik Google wants to see actual code produced. :)
[05:34] <Draigh> hi all, new here, dragged by that wolf above ;)
[05:34] <jsgotangco> oh no!
[05:34] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:34] <Draigh> according to the website they only accept actual code. No documentation or anything else.
[05:35] <HiddenWolf> ogra: this is the guy I talked to you about. Be gentle. 
[05:36] <ogra> Draigh, thats a goolgle desicion 
[05:36] <ogra> there are guidleines anywhere whats accepted and what not
[05:36] <Draigh> I noticed :) Anyway.. I would like to sign up for it and work on games 
[05:38] <Draigh> Hidde told me you may have something there for me?
[05:38] <jsgotangco> bug #1
[05:38] <ogra> have a look at the kdeedu games we ship in edubuntu, we have constantly space problems with the CD due to the kde software we ship, it would be cool to have non kde replacements
[05:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:39] <ogra> so we could drop kde and especially its huge translation packages 
[05:40] <HiddenWolf> jsgotangco: fixing bug #1 is worth more than one SoC bounty. ;)
[05:40] <jsgotangco> HiddenWolf: hehehe
[05:41] <Draigh> ok, still new here though. (needs a speedcourse in ubuntu) Practical: by what do you want to have it replaced?
[05:41] <ogra> what can you program in ? 
[05:41] <ogra> everything not using QT or KDE libs is fine ;)
[05:42] <Draigh> java, c, c++ are known
[05:42] <Draigh> and I have had basics in general so I can learn new languages easy
[05:42] <ogra> c and gtk or c++ and gtkmm would be nice
[05:43] <ogra> java only if you can make it work with the free gcc java implementation, else its doomed to stay in the area of restricted packages and we cant ship it on the CD
[05:44] <Draigh> I prefer the c++ version then. Java is easiest. Will check options though. If done right then it gets platform-independent, which is always a plus.
[05:49] <Draigh> ogra: would I be programming a new edu-game or redoing the current ones?
[05:49] <ogra> as you like
[05:49] <ogra> if you find it easier to modify existing stuff, why not 
[05:49] <ogra> its all open source
[05:49] <ogra>  :)
[05:50] <Draigh> true, doesn't really matter except maybe in time needed
[05:50] <ogra> (but to be honest i doubt its easier to port QT apps to GTK than to rewrite them)
[05:59] <HiddenWolf> at least the idea's and concepts are there. :)
[05:59] <HiddenWolf> if he can't think up any better. :)
[06:00] <Draigh> I doubt that will be a problem for me
[06:17] <Draigh> See you later, going to get the basics right and look at the precise rules (again)
[06:25] <highvoltage> hello!
[06:37] <linuxboy> !olleh
[06:37] <ubotu> linuxboy: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:38] <highvoltage> linuxboy: ubotu isn't quite Spinach
[06:38] <highvoltage> linuxboy: we had a knab in here, called edubuntugirl
[06:38] <linuxboy> i was saying hello! in reverse
[06:38] <linuxboy> lol
[06:38] <linuxboy> did it get hit on?
[06:38] <highvoltage> linuxboy: she'll be back here when my connection at home works :)
[06:39] <highvoltage> linuxboy: not that i know of :)
[07:13] <Schoolinux> is there any theacher here?
[07:16] <highvoltage> theacher? what's that?
[07:35] <cbx33> hi all
[07:35] <cbx33> ogra, so, you there?
[07:35] <ogra> sure
[07:35] <cbx33> brief steps how do i make my public bzr repo?
[07:36] <ogra> ssh to your webserver
[07:36] <ogra> make a public dir i.e. bazaar 
[07:36] <cbx33> uhuh
[07:37] <ogra> bzr push sftp://serverurl//home/cbx33/public_html/bazaar (or whatever the path to it is)
[07:37] <cbx33> ah right ok
[07:37] <cbx33> cool
[07:38] <cbx33> I'll try do that later on
[07:38] <ogra> bzr keeps the url so in the future you can just run bzr push 
[07:38] <cbx33> that's pretty simple
[07:38] <ogra> and omit the url
[07:38] <cbx33> i see
[07:38] <cbx33> now what happens if the dir I have my source in is different from yours ?
[07:38] <ogra> so bzr pull will always pull my recent changes from my repo, bzr push will push it up to yours ... 
[07:38] <cbx33> i see
[07:39] <cbx33> said the blind man to the deaf dog :p
[07:39] <ogra> i'll make a branch of yours on my local disk and wwhenever you notify me i'll merge it 
[07:39] <cbx33> excellent
[07:39] <cbx33> ok
[07:39] <cbx33> I'll get that going hopefully tonight
[07:40] <cbx33> I tested the deb with dpkg -c and they were all in there
[07:40] <ogra> great
[07:40] <ogra> also a lintian and a linda check would be nice
[07:40] <ogra> to make sure all is policy conform
[07:40] <cbx33> lintian was done as part of debuild
[07:40] <cbx33> sorry, i used debuild in the end
[07:40] <ogra> ah, k
[07:40] <cbx33> I'm more used to that, 
[07:41] <cbx33> maybe at some point when you are less busy I could ask you a few questions about packaging
[07:41] <cbx33> Hi Hannes_ 
[07:41] <cbx33> HedgeMage, 
[07:42] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[07:42] <ogra> cbx33, sure 
[07:43] <cbx33> thanx ogra you're a great help
[07:43] <cbx33> really I owe you one
[07:43] <cbx33> if ever you're in the UK I'll buy you a beer
[07:44] <ogra> i'll be in london again at some point i guess
[07:44] <cbx33> bbl
[07:44] <cbx33> well I'm in southampton
[07:44] <cbx33> if you ever feel like visiting :p
[07:44] <ogra> we're having our developer sprints there from time to time
[07:46] <cbx33> oooh
[07:46] <cbx33> excellent let me know eh?
[07:47] <ogra> will do
[07:47] <ogra> in fact a good bunch of canonical people lives in south uk
[07:48] <LaserJock> including the sabdfl, I think
[07:48] <cbx33> oh?
[07:48] <ogra> yep
[07:48] <LaserJock> if he isn't running around the world
[07:48] <cbx33> brb
[07:48] <cbx33> like real soon
[07:49] <ogra> which he nearly always is :)
[07:52] <cbx33> I'm back :p
[07:53] <LaserJock> that was fairly quick ;-)
[07:53] <cbx33> ogra, sorry what was that command to push to the server again?
[07:53] <cbx33> told ya
[07:54] <ogra> bzr push sftp://serverurl//home/cbx33/public_html/bazaar 
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> ogra: im installing the beta version
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> im having problems
[07:54] <cbx33> Bluekuja_debian, what with
[07:54] <ogra> note the second doubleslash 
[07:54] <cbx33> ah i see....just trying now
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> installer
[07:54] <ogra> Bluekuja_debian, tell me
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> at disk partition step
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> it freeze
[07:54] <Bluekuja_debian> resizing the partition
[07:55] <ogra> the liveCD installer or the text based normal one 
[07:55] <cbx33> I had problems too Bluekuja_debian 
[07:55] <Bluekuja_debian> livecd
[07:55] <juliux> Bluekuja_debian, this is a know bug
[07:55] <juliux> knowing
[07:55] <ogra> (i never test resizing since i only have spare partitions on production systems)
[07:55] <Bluekuja_debian> yes its a gparted problem
[07:55] <Bluekuja_debian> i had the same problem also in breezy
[07:56] <ogra> juliux, hmm Kamion did several uploads related to that bug pre beta
[07:56] <ogra> the resizing bit shouldnt be gparted
[07:56] <ogra> only the gui stuff is afaik
[07:56] <Bluekuja_debian> yep
[07:56] <cbx33> can debuild clean?
[07:56] <ogra> but Kamion will know
[07:57] <Bluekuja_debian> i try to install it in text mode
[07:57] <juliux> ogra, the bug is fixed in the repos but not in the isos
[07:57] <ogra> meh
[07:57] <ogra> i thought it entered the beta 
[07:57] <juliux> if i read heise it isnt in the beta
[07:58] <ogra> i havent read heise recently
[07:58] <juliux> i only read heise because some users asked me about that
[07:59] <cbx33> ogra, uploading changes
[07:59] <ogra> url ? 
[07:59] <cbx33> let you know when it's done :p
[07:59] <ogra> ok :)
[08:01] <cbx33> ogra, takes bloody ages to upload
[08:01] <ogra> yep
[08:02] <cbx33> give me svn :p
[08:02] <ogra> make a coffebreak :)
[08:02] <cbx33> indeed
[08:02] <cbx33> ogra, could you do me a favour just this once and give the changes I made a quick glance over :p - it's the first time I've done this type of thing, would appreciate comments
[08:03] <ogra> its being worked on, but the python-paramiko (sftp) implementation is pretty crappy 
[08:03] <ogra> i wont merge anything i didnt review ;)
[08:03] <cbx33> excellent
[08:03] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/bazaar/ltsp - I think
[08:03] <cbx33> but it's not finished yet
[08:03] <ogra> so be sure you'll get comments for every change :)
[08:03] <cbx33> W00T
[08:04] <Bluekuja_debian> another problem resizing
[08:04] <Bluekuja_debian> now it tells not enough space....
[08:04] <cbx33> it's problably be done when you return
[08:04] <cbx33> Bluekuja_debian, oh dear
[08:05] <cbx33> does the installer check for diskpace now before installing ogra ?
[08:08] <Bluekuja_debian> OMG
[08:08] <Bluekuja_debian> all hard disk data gone -.-
[08:08] <cbx33> oh dea Bluekuja_debian 
[08:08] <cbx33> sounds like a bad bug
[08:08] <ogra> ping Kamion in -devel about it 
[08:08] <Bluekuja_debian> yeah -.-
[08:09] <cbx33> ogra, still copying
[08:09] <Bluekuja_debian> okie 
[08:09] <cbx33> do they use bzr for anything big?
[08:09] <ogra> cbx33, still eating :)
[08:09] <cbx33> hahah
[08:09] <cbx33> 313/570
[08:09] <ogra> we use bzr for everything in ubuntu
[08:09] <ogra> note that ltsp has a *huge* changes history ... 
[08:10] <cbx33> can i ask what it's benefits are?
[08:10] <cbx33> as opposed to svn
[08:10] <cbx33> i had only just heard of it when started working on ubuntu
[08:10] <ogra> it will be tightly integrated into launchpad soon
[08:10] <ogra> you can do revision control, merges etc directly on LP then 
[08:10] <cbx33> oooh nice
[08:14] <cbx33> 0 revisions pushed
[08:14] <cbx33> why is that?
[08:14] <ogra> did you commit your change ? 
[08:15] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:15] <ogra> what does bzr status say
[08:15] <cbx33> so commit doesn't try to commit to your repo?
[08:15] <ogra> nope
[08:15] <ogra> commit commits only in the current tree
[08:16] <cbx33> ok commiting
[08:16] <ogra> bzr commit -m'i made a change'
[08:16] <cbx33> now pushing
[08:19] <cbx33> ok it's collecting again...is that from your server?
[08:20] <cbx33> collecting/fetching
[08:20] <Bluekuja_debian> i have talked with kamion
[08:20] <Bluekuja_debian> there is a wiki page about that bug
[08:20] <Bluekuja_debian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperBeta/PartitionTableCorruption
[08:20] <cbx33> ogra, think the final release will check the hdd for disk space before installing?
[08:21] <ogra> cbx33, no idea, really, i'm no installer guy
[08:21] <cbx33> hehe
[08:21] <cbx33> ok, just waiting for bzr to fetch now
[08:31] <Bluekuja_debian> highvoltage: ping
[08:32] <ogra> cbx33, hmm, i get a "server not found" message for www.progbox.co.uk
[08:34] <highvoltage> Bluekuja_debian: pong
[08:34] <Bluekuja_debian> hey jon
[08:34] <Bluekuja_debian> do you still have the file i gave you?
[08:34] <Bluekuja_debian> presentation
[08:34] <cbx33> ogra, you sure
[08:34] <cbx33> www.progbox.co.uk
[08:34] <ogra> ogra@aleph:~$ host progbox.co.uk
[08:34] <ogra> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[08:34] <cbx33> hmmm
[08:35] <highvoltage> Bluekuja_debian: yep
[08:35] <ogra> ogra@aleph:~$ host www.progbox.co.uk
[08:35] <ogra> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> great man
[08:35] <highvoltage> Bluekuja_debian: the stuff i copied and pasted out of IRC?
[08:35] <ogra> thats directly on my DNS server
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> yep
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> great jon
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> pass me it later
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> or tomorrow
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> my hd is now formatted -.-
[08:35] <Bluekuja_debian> ^^
[08:35] <highvoltage> ok
[08:36] <Bluekuja_debian> tnx
[08:36] <Bluekuja_debian> brb
[08:41] <cbx33> ogra, any luck
[08:41] <cbx33> did you get my pm?
[08:42] <ogra> nope
[08:42] <ogra> are you registered ?
[08:42] <cbx33> ah..
[08:51] <cbx33> ogra, did u get my pm now?
[08:52] <ogra> yes, sorry didnt text yet
[08:52] <ogra> err 
[08:52] <ogra> test indeed
[08:52] <ogra> the dns seems to work again 
[08:53] <cbx33> goodgood
[08:53] <ogra> hmm
[08:53] <ogra> http://www.progbox.co.uk/bazaar/ltsp/ is empty
[08:53] <ogra> sure you pushed to the right location ? 
[08:57] <cbx33> there is a .bzr in there
[08:57] <cbx33> with tonnes of stuff
[08:57] <cbx33> but nothing else
[08:58] <cbx33> append .bzr and you'll see
[08:58] <ogra> yep, i do
[08:58] <cbx33> so what's gone wrong?
[08:58] <cbx33> i did exactly as you said i think
[08:58] <ogra> the push finished cleanly ? no errors ? 
[08:59] <cbx33> unless......
[08:59] <cbx33> damn i changed ht source dir
[08:59] <ogra> heh
[08:59] <cbx33> would that have affected it?
[08:59] <cbx33> i renaqmed it
[08:59] <ogra> before pushing you mean ? 
[08:59] <ogra> might be, yes
[09:30] <juliux> ogra, http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntu#head-f20b56b47278e8fae31b6e9160000e519254632c
[09:31] <highvoltage> goodnight, #edubuntu
[09:31] <ogra> juliux, cool, but be careful, the origial isnt final yet
[09:32] <juliux> ogra, ok we will check that but it is a base
[09:32] <ogra> yep
[11:31] <cbx33> ogra, trying again...if this doesn't work Ill redownload the source tree and re upload
[12:02] <alexcamilo> If i connect to the internet with edubuntu install disks and try to install one of the languages that is not on the CD will it download the stuff i need? or do i have to hunt it down after install?
[12:02] <alexcamilo> or apt-get it or something