=== pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-241-9.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === axl000 [n=axl@81-146-246-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [12:47] anyone can help me to install alsa [12:51] axl000: it should already be installed [12:53] i want to install the last version [12:53] but no one help me === jinty [n=jinty@173.Red-83-56-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.108.229] has joined #edubuntu === alexcamilo [n=alexcami@KAMIRO-LAPTOP.RES.WPI.NET] has joined #edubuntu [01:26] Does anyone know where i can get a DVD iso? its not listed on the website. [01:26] * download site [01:27] is it still "under construction" [01:34] alexcamilo: i'm fairly sure there's no edubuntu DVD iso [01:34] oh [01:35] oh whell === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === raekism [n=raekism@c-68-38-189-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.211.166.11] has joined #edubuntu === alexcamilo [n=alexcami@KAMIRO-LAPTOP.RES.WPI.NET] has joined #edubuntu === alexcami1o [n=alexcami@KAMIRO87-01.WIFI.WPI.EDU] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #edubuntu === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === wastrel [n=wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === wastrel [n=wastrel@dsl254-127-242.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.248.174] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@87.193.32.2] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi_ is now known as bimberi === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-153-38.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@mail.trinsite.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [09:14] ogra_ibook: when you are around, I still can't get bzr to download === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [09:43] hi highvoltage === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.108.229] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [10:04] ogra_ibook: problem with latest CD image - ltsp-client-builder failes === guim [n=glederer@193.190.183.237] has joined #edubuntu === linuxboy [n=anon@yoda.frogfoot.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:18] hi [10:18] I'm playing with LTSP [10:18] I heard I can get a sort of "fat" client in ltsp [10:18] is that correct? [10:21] linuxboy: I'm not sure, I've only used the thin ones [10:21] ogra_ibook: would know for sure [10:21] but he's not here right now [10:23] cbx33: I want it so I can spacify programs that will run on the client [10:23] in wahat way [10:23] you could uninstall programs from the chroot [10:37] linuxboy: LTSP supports local programs [10:37] the Ubuntu LTSP version doesn't afaik [10:37] anyway see www.ltsp.org [10:37] spacey: what is it caled ? [10:38] http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42 [10:39] oh its not in there [10:39] i thought i read it somewhere [10:40] Local Applications [10:40] Applications typically run on the server, and display their output on the thin client display. With LTSP, it is possible to run an application on the thin client, thereby utilizing more of the local resources and putting less of a load on the server. We call this Local Apps. [10:40] http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps [10:41] spacey: did you say this is or isn't supported in edubuntu? [10:41] isn't i think, at least not that i know of [10:41] but you would have to check with ogra [10:41] ah I have many questions for that man [10:41] if i look at the LocalApps page at ltsp it doesn't look really pretty [10:42] i would _never_ use that [10:43] no [10:43] you're right [10:43] it's just that I have quite powerful thin client machines, would be nice to utilise that power [10:44] maybe eft+1 [10:45] well in the end it will probably cost more effort then you gain [10:45] at least the way the ltsp guys do it [10:46] and you lose any form of security [10:46] :P [10:46] really has to implemented differently if you want local apps [10:47] yeh [10:48] Damn it I need to get this AD integration sorted [10:54] at least that possible in a sane way [10:59] hehehe [10:59] may need a bit of guidence :D - hopeing to make a configuration tool for it [10:59] like sadms [11:01] cbx33: hi there! sorry in meeting, taking break now. [11:04] cbx33: I think localapps is great for things like OOo and firefox [11:04] Burgundavia: (memory hogs) [11:05] i think at frist we need local device support [11:06] thats true [11:06] indeed [11:06] local device support is a must [11:06] if we have local device support i only will use thinclients at home [11:07] but then equally i think ms integration is a mus also [11:07] so many schools need to be coaxed into using linux [11:07] if they can use LTSP and still get it to authenticate against their existing MS domain [11:08] we stand a better chance === cbx33 is just testing the latest iso release :D === cbx33 is curious as to how some of the karma is calculated....mines gone up by like 3,000 in the last 3 days....yet I've done nothing on launchpad :p [11:13] linuxboy: you might also want to take a look at lessdisks [11:13] (apt-cache show lessdisks) [11:15] how does it differ highvoltage [11:15] highvoltage: do you do any motu work? [11:16] there is an error in the latest cd install with regards to LTSP, can anyone else confirm this? [11:17] cbx33: it also builds a chroot, but it configures the client that boots as a fat client, and also sets up things like tmpfs, etc for you [11:18] cbx33: i got started with motu late last year, but it's gone very slow since my internet connection at home died [11:18] highvoltage: can you specify a single app to execute on teh client ? [11:18] linuxboy: for that you'll need to use LTSP.org atm [11:19] highvoltage: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LocalApps [11:19] highvoltage: ^^^ that? [11:19] linuxboy: or you can do some hacking to the ubuntu ltsp, which is a lot of work, and currently undocumented. [11:19] linuxboy: yep, that11:07 < cbx33> but then equally i think ms integration is a mus also [11:20] oops, mouse mistake [11:20] linuxboy: yes, that link, if you're using LTSP.org [11:20] that I am [11:21] I didn't know there were other thin clitne type projects [11:26] anyone know if the earlier builds work ok with installing LTSP [11:26] the current build bombs out for me [11:27] cbx33: afaik all the dapper ones more or less worked, are you installing your chroot over the internet? [11:28] the dapper one did work on the 20th [11:28] it doesn't work now on the 24th :p === cbx33 tries 22nd [11:29] ah, daily builds? they're not extremely reliable (or even tested) [11:29] best is to try a flight CD [11:29] sorry, the beta cd. === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host122-214.pool8249.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu [11:29] no I tend to try them out for ogra_ibook [11:29] the problem with the beta cd is you can't get from the repos [11:29] hi Bluekuja [11:29] because they have moved on already [11:38] linuxboy: yep, although that's true for the daily builds too :) [11:39] the beta is just a snapshot cd [11:41] whats moved? [11:42] spacey: packages upgraded === C-O-L-T [n=icechat5@193.231.163.10] has joined #edubuntu [12:04] ooooooooggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :p [12:05] cbx33, i think you get an highlight only with ogra_ibook [12:06] juliux: thanks for the tip [12:06] :p [12:14] ogra: w00t [12:14] how are ya ? === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@173.Red-83-56-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] hi cbx33 :) [12:41] mr highvoltage good morning [12:46] h Bluekuja [12:50] morning Bluekuja [12:50] Bluekuja: afternoon now :) [12:50] i have created all channels [12:50] pete [12:50] later you can join [12:50] to take a look === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] highvoltage, ping [01:14] ogra: pong [01:15] who broke the mailing list headers ? [01:15] there is a reply to list header set ... thats evil evil evil, please revert that asap [01:16] (since when is that btw ?) [01:18] ogra, since last week i think, if i look to the mail header [01:19] yep, i just talked to jane [01:19] ah [01:19] i only check my local mails ,) [01:29] ogra: Hi [01:29] hey [01:29] there seems to be a problem with LTSP on the beta [01:34] it's bombing out during installation [01:35] oh btw [01:35] I've finished and tested those man pages [01:35] I can't get bzr to work [01:36] It keeps coming up with the reconcile message, even though I've deleted the dir. [01:36] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-sshkeys.txthttp://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-kernels.txthttp://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-build-client.txt [01:36] grrr [01:36] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-sshkeys.txt [01:36] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-update-kernels.txt [01:36] http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/ltsp-build-client.txt === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu [01:38] ogra: i changed some settings wrt the sender filters, but nothing wrt the headers. what is wrong? [01:39] highvoltage, its reverted already, dont worry ... Jane switched on header mangling [01:39] ok, cool. [01:39] (and reverted it already) [01:40] sorry, made sense to me at the time... === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ [01:41] well, there's only one way of finding out if something works in mailman, and that's to try it :) [01:43] sure, but breaking list headers is evil, please discuss such steps before :) [01:44] of course :) [01:44] i'm sure all feature breakage will be planned way in advance :) [01:44] (it resulted for me in getting all mails multiple times) [01:44] even LTSP? :p [01:45] highvoltage, its aboput time to start thinking about our goals for edgy [01:46] ogra: was the beta build the one that I tested a few days ago? [01:46] i think so [01:46] hmmm [01:46] ogra: you know I have lots of ideas, I'll compile a list, although I'm in no position to decide, of course, since you do all the work :) [01:46] well LTSP won;t install on this machine [01:47] highvoltage, i'd like to get more help, really :) [01:47] ogra: although, the builders are coming tomorrow to fix the pipe at my home, so I might have internet at home real soon then i can get very incolved there again :) [01:47] cbx33, ? [01:47] details ? [01:47] highvoltage, yeah [01:47] I'll help you out ogra if I can be of any help [01:47] ogra: where are the places where i can get involved with that would be the biggest help? [01:48] in the Build LTSP chroot step on the installation it bombs out [01:48] so tell me when/where adnb why doesnt LTSP install ? [01:48] ah [01:48] switch to console #3 and see whats breaking [01:48] is that known? [01:48] there are problems and -y was used without --force-yes [01:49] you can also file a bug and attach /var/log/installer/messages, that holds the build log for the ltsp chroot [01:50] is it a universe problem you think? [01:51] ogra, why is an ubuntu bootsplash on the thinclients? [01:51] because i suck [01:51] never ogra [01:51] don't blaspheme:p [01:51] cbx33, in that case i do :) [01:51] possibly a local diversion of the start-stop-daemon [01:51] its an issue i still need to fix [01:52] and there is no easy way to do that [01:52] mdz will slay me :) [01:52] anything I can help with? [01:52] mdz is a strange phenonemon in that way. [01:52] cbx33, yes, file the bug :) === cbx33 hasn't met mdz [01:52] he's super super strict, and it's a pain in so many ways it seems, === juliux was only surprised [01:53] but it does result in much better quality, and things do get done the right way in the end. [01:53] it requires a change to ltsp thats not really non intrusive and that i missed before feature freeze ... [01:53] ouch. [01:53] my job is to convince him that its no new feature before i can get it in [01:54] but it isn't, is it? [01:54] hm we can write a howto you how you can change it ;) [01:54] nah [01:54] i need to fix it === cbx33 I will file the bug [01:54] the ldm login is also not switched to the shipped edubuntu theme [01:54] cbx33, thanks [01:54] well, technically... the chroot is running more of an Ubuntu than an Edubuntu, so it's not completely wrong :) [01:55] hmmm [01:56] ogra: please think about my question earlier, I'm glad to help out wherever I can, I just need to know which areas you need help with, so that I can do some reading, etc. [01:56] ogra: me too [01:57] grab the ltsp bzr tree from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ and make your changes ;) [01:57] I can't get the tree [01:57] it doesn't work [01:57] i'll happily merge all sane patches :) [01:57] it keeps talking about reconciling [01:57] did you ask in #bzr ? [01:57] no... [01:58] I'll try again on this machine....I just need the upto date version of bzr === jinty [n=jinty@84.Red-83-55-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:59] ogra, can you give me a contact to the press officer from canonical? [01:59] hmm, not really, i guess silbs is the right person [01:59] ogra, thxs [02:03] ogra: how can i transfer data from the b0rked installation [02:03] sftp isn't installed, nor ftp [02:03] sure, sftp clientside is installed [02:03] use scp :) [02:04] did you mean just switch to console 2 [02:04] console 3 [02:04] no i mean to be able to transfer [02:04] but if you finished the install, just the above logfile will do it [02:04] will it? [02:04] that doesnt matter [02:04] i didn't finish the install [02:04] you can also do it under X [02:04] ah [02:05] k, then use console 2 and use scp [02:05] ok [02:05] scp command not found - am I stupid here? [02:05] the log is /var/log/messages in the installer if the install didnt finish [02:05] yes I've cat'd that and verified it [02:05] just need to transfer it [02:06] which is where my brain fails [02:06] ah, wait, there is a installer step in the menu ... "install installer components" or something like that [02:06] ok [02:06] look if you can install the openssh client there [02:07] its not in the installer by default [02:08] excellent [02:09] ok, gonna bug it now [02:12] thanks, assign it directly to me [02:12] ogra: what package is it? [02:12] ltsp-client-builder? [02:13] just ltsp [02:13] (sourcepackage name) [02:13] ltsp-client-builder is a package name apparently :p [02:13] but I've done ltsp [02:14] ltsp-client-builder is a binary [02:14] the binary packages will likely be dropped from malone [02:15] ahh [02:16] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/41088 [02:18] rying to get bzr again [02:19] ogra: would there be any harm in reconcileing the repo? [02:19] does it take a long time? [02:20] dunno, never had to do it [02:20] worst case i couldnt merge your changes [02:20] well, I can't get the repo [02:21] it's bombing out at phase 2/4 [02:21] in the fetch phase [02:21] taking ages too :p [02:23] ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bastel$ bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/devel/ [02:23] Inventory ok. [02:23] Branched 303 revision(s). [02:23] ogra@edubuntu:/mnt/devel/bastel$ [02:23] hmm, works [02:23] very nice [02:23] not a shred of luck here [02:23] \ [============================== ] fetch phase 2/4 [02:23] been hanging on that for the last 5 minutes [02:24] you wiped the folder completely ? [02:24] i did indeed [02:24] good [02:24] just let it sit there === cbx33 trusts ogra [02:24] it will move on ;) === cbx33 trusts ogra [02:24] :p [02:25] (either with error or succsessfull, but it will move on ;) ) [02:25] so seriously like highvoltage said, I'm up for helping with anything else I can too [02:26] so about your bug, thats definately a beta iso ? [02:26] yes [02:26] and I media checked it and md5sum'd it too [02:27] and its the default run of ltsp-client-builder ? not a manual second one ? [02:27] nope the inital default run [02:28] I was installing just as I did before [02:28] with that daily build [02:28] hmm, i have no explanation for that error then === cbx33 did well to trust ogra it works fine :D [02:28] ogra: anything you want me to try....a different machine? [02:28] I have the ltsp bzr tree [02:29] it can only occur if packages are either missin (whic is the case in all dailies after beta atm) or if they already have a config and cant prompt (second manual run of the builder for example) [02:29] i see [02:30] would running it without the ability to contact the net help do you think? [02:30] i'll try myself again... but all betas worked here [02:30] so it get's everything off the cd [02:30] hmm, try it [02:30] ok [02:30] now wrt ltsp [02:30] it shoulndt get anything from the nte though [02:30] do you have a few seconds spare to help me out..... [02:31] i now have you bzr tree === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [02:31] do copy my files into the server dir [02:31] put the manpages in the debian dir and add the appropriate dh_installman directives in the rules file [02:31] ok === orionskull [n=orionsku@c-69-243-188-89.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:37] do i use debuild to build the source package? [02:38] ogra: there are some un merged changes I think in the changelog? [02:39] bzr status will tell you [02:40] hmmm [02:40] oh, no, there was a conflict [02:40] thought so :p [02:40] sorry I'm used to svn === jinty [n=jinty@84.Red-83-55-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83.131.239.124] has joined #edubuntu [02:46] JaneW, spacey,highvoltage, ogra: Hi hi [02:46] jiji [02:46] oh [02:46] hihi too [02:46] hi pygi [02:46] cbx33, pushing the fix now [02:47] thank you ogra [02:47] pong [02:47] hi [02:47] sorry to cause you so much hastle [02:47] you can just run bzr pull if its finished to get it [02:47] spacey: how's the book? :) [02:47] on schedule for that chapters assigned to me [02:47] cbx33, you discovered a bug, thats no hassle :) i wonder why nobody noticed it before [02:47] (including me) [02:48] heh [02:48] well,,,I do try [02:48] not to make more work for you ogra :p [02:48] but that might be because i mostly work on the dapper, not on the devel branch :) [02:48] spacey: oki doki :) [02:48] should chaneg that habit now :) [02:48] *change [02:48] pygi: what about you [02:49] Done with entire Part I [02:49] nice [02:49] (devel is/will be the edgy eft branch btw) [02:49] is it in the wiki yet? [02:49] spacey: nop, will be sometimes later [02:49] still checking it, etc [02:49] ok [02:49] JaneW: wanna write the artwork thingy? we have no one to write it :) [02:49] if you put it in the wiki we can check it as well ;) [02:49] yeh i thought so [02:49] spacey: will do this week :) === pygi wants the book finished by May, 10 :-D [02:50] spacey: that seems reasonable for me :) [02:50] thoughts? [02:51] ogra: is the confilct fixed, or should I just ignore it? [02:51] I'm not pullingany new revisions [02:51] bzr push still runs [02:52] guve iut a second )or 30) [02:53] that should have been: give it a second (or 30) [02:53] my typing really sucks today [02:54] i got that :p === ogra twiddles thumbs ... waiting for bzr [02:56] spacey: alive? :) === cbx33 copies ogra [02:56] pushing is really slow ... [02:56] pulling is reasonable fast ... [02:57] bzr seems really slow [02:57] first time I ever used it [02:57] sftp is [02:57] the rsync transport is fast ... [02:57] pygi: alive but working [02:57] spacey: okie dokie...enjoy :) [02:57] pygi: I was planning to have it finished at 10th [02:58] spacey: great [02:58] got it ogra [02:58] cbx33, now run: bzr pull [02:58] should finish within seconds [02:58] yes done [02:58] :) [02:58] great [02:58] ok transfereed the files [02:59] pygi: I can look at it... [02:59] JaneW: Look & Feel (Maintain artwork package,Fit your needs) [02:59] ok, great :-D [02:59] that is the only chapter we don't have people for =P [02:59] make a testbuild in pbuilder and check if the manpages end up in the right package (dpkg --contents) [03:00] (or dpkg -c) [03:00] would debuild -S work? [03:00] might ... but you dont ahve the special chroot pbuilder uses [03:01] (so you might miss dependencys for example) [03:01] ok [03:01] pbuilder is the preferred variant we use, but debuild indeed works too [03:01] ok [03:02] talk to you later [03:04] cbx33, do you have a webserver where you can push your tree with sftp (one that has a sshd running) [03:04] I do, but not here [03:04] I'm limited to port 80 whilst I'm at work [03:05] ok, create a bazaar directory there if you are home, so you can push it to a public place where i can pull it from to merge it [03:05] ok, may need a little assistance [03:06] but I'll do my best [03:06] if thats done, you'll only use bzr push/pull/commit [03:06] ogra: editing the rules file, [03:06] s/use/have to use/ [03:06] me being a packaging n00b [03:06] dh_installman -A ? [03:06] should that work? [03:06] to install all man pages [03:06] man dh_installman ;) [03:07] have done that :;) [03:07] good :) [03:07] okk [03:08] you might need a .manpages file to define where they end up [03:21] cbx33 :ping [03:21] hi [03:21] hey pete [03:21] i have registered all channels [03:21] that you requested [03:21] hi, sorry I'll try those IRC channels when I get home [03:21] perfect ;) [03:21] I can;t have access to those here [03:21]