| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia - how's Oooooklahoma? | 12:10 |
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| Burgundavia | it is a place | 12:11 |
| Madpilot | that bad, huh? :P | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | hot here | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | 25C | 12:11 |
| robotgeek | that's not hot | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | I stupidly forgot to check the weather before I came, so I am not prepared | 12:11 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek: when you come from 5-10C it is | 12:11 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, actually, it's 17C in Victoria today | 12:12 |
| Madpilot | 21 over in Abbotsford, even | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | wow | 12:12 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, weather report says 36C and sunny | 12:13 |
| mdke | hi Burgundavia | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | salut mdke | 12:14 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, what's the name of the town you're in? | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | guymon | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | it is in the weather applet | 12:14 |
| mdke | does anyone have an objection to hyphenating words across lines? | 12:14 |
| mdke | (for the pdfs) | 12:14 |
| Burgundavia | http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=Guymon,+OK | 12:14 |
| Madpilot | KGUY 232153Z AUTO 21013G23KT 10SM CLR 36/M03 A2972 RMK AO2 SLP017 T03561033 $ | 12:14 |
| Madpilot | "hot, dry as heck, and cloudless", it looks like | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 12:15 |
| Madpilot | windy, too | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | I saw 6 wind power generators on the OK/TX border | 12:15 |
| robotgeek | mdke: hmm, i thought it was normal to do that? | 12:15 |
| Burgundavia | apparently they would have more, but don't have the lines to distribute that much enery | 12:16 |
| mdke | robotgeek, good, good. | 12:16 |
| Madpilot | mdke, hypenation is fine | 12:16 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: did you not get my email? | 12:17 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia, the long one? Yes, I did. Good beer, at least? | 12:18 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that was a good beer | 12:18 |
| Burgundavia | I have not sampled the beer here | 12:18 |
| robotgeek | might be pretty sucky in Ok | 12:18 |
| Burgundavia | I suspect so | 12:19 |
| Burgundavia | apparently they do sell soymilk here | 12:19 |
| Burgundavia | a survey of radio stations: 2 hip hop, 4 regilious, 2 spanish, 3 county | 12:20 |
| Madpilot | so you listened to the religious ones, of course, and now know that Jebus luvs you? :P | 12:20 |
| Burgundavia | apparently so | 12:21 |
| Burgundavia | what if I don't believe in him? does he still love me? | 12:23 |
| mdke | yeah, that's the idea | 12:24 |
| === robotgeek got lucky then | ||
| Madpilot | it's not like fairies, that go away when you stop believing in them ;) | 12:24 |
| Burgundavia | dman | 12:24 |
| Madpilot | </evil agnostic> | 12:24 |
| robotgeek | ofcourse, not a topic for ubuntu-doc | 12:25 |
| mdke | ok, latest offering: http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide.pdf | 12:25 |
| mdke | Madpilot, can you scrutinise the fonts? | 12:25 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to get a Canadian flag and darwin fish in magnetic sticker format for the next trip. Anyway, done now | 12:25 |
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| Madpilot | mdke, looks great. All we need now are greyscale versions of the admon graphics | 12:27 |
| === robotgeek likes the [links] | ||
| mdke | good | 12:28 |
| mdke | i need to figure out how to do embedded fonts too | 12:28 |
| Madpilot | fop doesn't embed fonts automatically/ | 12:29 |
| Madpilot | ? | 12:29 |
| mdke | not the version I'm using anyway | 12:29 |
| mdke | oh crap, and the bloody section numbers start from zero again for each chapter, which breaks inter-chapter xrefs | 12:29 |
| jjesse | footnotes always restart in each chapter | 12:29 |
| mdke | that's ok though. | 12:30 |
| mdke | the problem is where it says "refer to section 6.1", and it means "refer to section 6.1 in the previous chapter, not section 6.1 in this chapter" | 12:30 |
| mdke | i know, we can add page number cross references | 12:31 |
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| mdke | night all | 01:03 |
| Madpilot | night mdke | 01:03 |
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| mhz_Dinner | Burgundavia: hi there | 01:41 |
| mhz_Dinner | Burgundavia: could you read proof this, please? | 01:42 |
| mhz_Dinner | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallingOrBootingUsingIsoFile | 01:42 |
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| Burgundavia | mhz_Dinner: cannot do | 01:47 |
| Burgundavia | can do | 01:47 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, typo | 01:47 |
| Burgundavia | mhz_Dinner: ^ | 01:48 |
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| Burgundavia | mhz_Dinner: I would explain why you are doing what you are doing before you dive right in | 01:49 |
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| The_thing | http://www.wikiguitar.net/index.php?title=Main | 02:01 |
| The_thing | PLEASE!? | 02:01 |
| Madpilot | someone with ops please kickban The_thing? He's been spamming everywhere, and won't learn... | 02:02 |
| The_thing | no | 02:02 |
| The_thing | I'm not | 02:02 |
| Madpilot | yes you are. go away. | 02:02 |
| The_thing | No | 02:02 |
| The_thing | Lemme guess you vandalize http://www.wikiguitar.net/index.php?title=Main | 02:03 |
| Madpilot | I've never even heard of it before you started spamming. Now go away. | 02:03 |
| The_thing | fine | 02:04 |
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| The_thing | Hello? | 02:14 |
| The_thing | I'm done spamming | 02:14 |
| Burgundavia | The_thing: thanks | 02:15 |
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| mhz | Burgundavia: you think it is not well explained? | 03:43 |
| Burgundavia | mhz: yes | 03:45 |
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| mhz | Burgundavia: okis, I have added some clarifications. Could you check, please? | 04:12 |
| Burgundavia | mhz: that is better | 04:40 |
| mhz | Burgundavia: thx for your feedback | 04:41 |
| Burgundavia | mhz: no problem | 04:42 |
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| Madpilot | hi all | 05:35 |
| Burgundavia | hello Madpilot | 06:08 |
| Madpilot | hi - found any good beer in OK? | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 06:09 |
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| Madpilot | found any beer at all? ;) | 06:09 |
| Madpilot | There might still be some dry counties down there - just your luck to be in one of them! :D | 06:10 |
| Burgundavia | texas is not dry | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | texas county, that is | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | there is also a canadian county and river here | 06:12 |
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| Burgundavia | salut robitaille | 06:45 |
| robitaille | Hi Burgundavia | 06:46 |
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| Burgundavia | Madpilot: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openexplore | 08:47 |
| Madpilot | cool - bookmarked! | 08:48 |
| robitaille | cool...I always wanted 7 cities of gold since I was a kid, but I actually never played the game | 08:51 |
| Burgundavia | it is one of those games that has never been done again | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | it and mule are the only games I remember and want to play to this day | 08:52 |
| Burgundavia | to bad all the c64 emulators suck | 08:53 |
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| robitaille | my favourite c64 game was "omega race". I wasted many hours on that one | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | never played it | 08:53 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: remember that old game we play in SA - death race or something similar? | 08:54 |
| robitaille | http://www.tomheroes.com/Video%20Games%20FS/Retrotimes/Best%20Of/Many%20Faces/omega_race.htm | 08:54 |
| Madpilot | yes - land torpedos and similar goofiness | 08:54 |
| Burgundavia | that would be a good game to redo | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | someone redid death rally | 08:55 |
| rob | bush may be inpeached apparenty.. | 08:58 |
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| Burgundavia | rob, I seriously doubt it | 08:59 |
| rob | http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00294.htm | 08:59 |
| Burgundavia | impeachment is done by the senate and I think you need a super majority | 08:59 |
| rob | there is a new chan on here about it.. | 08:59 |
| rob | yeah I would think so Burgundavia | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | wikipedia saves all | 09:00 |
| robitaille | and even if they impeach, it only means they would get CHeney as president in 2 years or so (it's a long process...) | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | rob, according to that nz URL, a state senate is involved - AFAIK the states don't have authority like that over the Prez | 09:01 |
| rob | yeah, I have no idea how it works, I'll be reading that wiki page soon :) | 09:02 |
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| Madpilot | need sleep - night, all | 10:18 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: around? | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: ping? | 06:48 |
| mdke | LaserJock, not really, but I will be in about an hour. Email is better until then | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | mdke: fine, I was just going to talk to you about bzr. I'll try emailing the list. :-) | 06:49 |
| === LaserJock doesn't care for email | ||
| highvoltage | coz email can't buy you love | 06:53 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: pong | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: just sent a reply to your bzr email | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I think it would be good for us to try | 07:09 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: just saw it | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | I think the distributed control would be a big advantage for us | 07:09 |
| jjesse | so instead of having to wait for someone to create username and password it speeds things up? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | what I mean is: | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | a person can get the repo and then work on it | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | then tell someone here (or on the ML) that they have been working on the PG, for instance | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | if they give me the URL of their branch, I can pull in the changes | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | no diff, no attaching and waiting on the ML | 07:12 |
| jjesse | if someone doesn't have a website can they just upload their branch? or do you upload to launchpad? | 07:13 |
| jjesse | pardon the stupid questions but just trying to understand :) | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | you can either use http or sftp I think | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | no, they aren't stupid, I'm very new to this as well | 07:13 |
| mdke | what concerns me a bit about moving to bzr is that it requires someone to merge everything for each document | 07:14 |
| mdke | and in a group of full time paid developers, or projects where one developer is in charge of everything, that works well | 07:15 |
| mdke | but in our group, where everyone kinda chips in on lots of docs, and people come and go according to RL commitments, I think it might get a bit out of control | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | but if we set up a central repo then we just do as we are already, I think | 07:15 |
| jjesse | so if i make a change to just a paragraph i have to upload the whole branch instead of just the small change? | 07:15 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:15 |
| mdke | last time I chatted to the bzr guys, support for a central repo ("bound branches") wasn't included yet | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so anyway | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I think you can just push to a central place, MOTU do this with tiber.tauware.de | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | REVU is done in bzr | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | and the central repo is on tiber.tauware.de | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it is quite a central repo in the traditional sense (whatever that is) | 07:17 |
| === mdke needs to find out a lot more about bzr | ||
| mdke | i have to say though, svn diff was a really convenient way of reviewing patches | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | you can do that also with bzr | 07:18 |
| jjesse | is moving to bzr a bigger hurdle then using svn for new people? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | I'm really not sure | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | I think the distributed revision control is a real advantage for us (I would have really liked it at least) | 07:19 |
| mdke | why? | 07:20 |
| jjesse | i guess i'm not understanding the why the need to switch either | 07:20 |
| mdke | (i'm not just challenging you, I am genuinly interested in the reasons) | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | I had diff all over the place, and I was the only person that could commit | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | if I could just pull for each persons bzr branch (and they could pull from each other), I think that it would have been easier and faster to get diff in | 07:21 |
| mdke | and did all those people have web servers? | 07:21 |
| mdke | or do you not need webservers for bzr? | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | not necessarily, I think they all did but not sure | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | you don't have to | 07:22 |
| mdke | bbl | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | I mean, I'm not sure at all that we should do it. I just see some advantages that I like | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | we need to talk to #bzr and other people who have used it for similar tasks | 07:24 |
| jjesse | so for someone like me who is on dial up what is easier to use, svn or bzr? | 07:26 |
| jjesse | i did big updates to svn at work | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I'm not sure space wise. There seem to be some thing in bzr that can take a while | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | jjesse: I think we should just test it out | 07:28 |
| jjesse | do you use bzr for packaging stuff? | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | yes | 07:28 |
| trappist | I'm pretty sure svn just sends compressed diffs - doesn't get more efficient than that | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | right | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm talking to #bzr a little bit about it | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | mdke: bound branches are apparently working in bzr | 07:43 |
| mdke | jolly good | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | but we don't need it I don't think | 07:58 |
| LaserJock | I've been talking with #bzr, I try to send a followup email | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | what you need for bzr is access to webspace or sftp | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | you don't have to control the http server or anything. just copy the folder somewhere | 08:00 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: I just found the answer to your question ;-) | 08:11 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: what if you don't have access to either? unless we can upload some how to launchpad? | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | no webspace or ssh? | 08:13 |
| === mdke hugs jjesse | ||
| LaserJock | you can then send diffs to ML like now | 08:13 |
| mdke | LaserJock, i suspect the answer is send a diff | 08:13 |
| mdke | right. | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | but I think many people might have access | 08:13 |
| mdke | anyway, my position is "I'm not convinced, let's try and see" | 08:15 |
| mdke | however, I'm not going to be able to put in any work on this, because I'll be swamped with translations and pdf stuff for the next month or so | 08:15 |
| jjesse | LaserJock: i don't have a websever or an external box i could put up | 08:15 |
| jjesse | i'm on dial up internet at home and work would frown on it | 08:15 |
| mdke | jjesse, well... we could use doc.ubuntu.com for that | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | yes | 08:15 |
| jjesse | i love the fact that svn up, svn commit, svn diff are easy and i can use subversion on my windows box and linux box :) | 08:16 |
| mdke | jjesse, me too. | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | bzr works on windows, OSX, and linux | 08:16 |
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| LaserJock | and it is bzr pull, bzr commit, bzr diff ;-) | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | I think | 08:17 |
| mdke | LaserJock, do you want to take the lead and do some playing around? I definitely won't have any time | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I can work on it | 08:17 |
| mdke | ok | 08:17 |
| mdke | btw, i succeeded in making some pdfs today with embedded fonts | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | the other cool thing about bzr is you work locally | 08:18 |
| mdke | so do you work locally with svn | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I mean you commit locally | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | and then publish when you want to | 08:19 |
| mdke | yeah, but from my perspective that is bad | 08:19 |
| mdke | because if people get sloppy about publishing, things will go downhill | 08:19 |
| mdke | if you get 5 people who all work on the same part of a doc, then merges stop working | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | not really | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | that is the whole point of bzr | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | I mean, it is at least better than svn that way | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | not to say that if 2 people change the same thing it is magically going to figure what the right answer is ;-) | 08:20 |
| mdke | right, but with svn, we are forced to always commit, and that way people only rarely get stuck with merging stuff | 08:20 |
| mdke | if people are sloppy about publishing, god knows how the docbook is going to validate | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | well, I think the point with bzr is to make the merging better so that it won't get stuck | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | my basic suggestion is that we set up a little test repo | 08:21 |
| mdke | sure, sure, go for it | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | I'm really not sure if bzr would work for us or not | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | I haven't used it enough to know | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | but I think it is work looking at | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | is d.u.c down? | 08:22 |
| mdke | is it? it was down yesterday | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | it might be my network, I'm having lots of problems today | 08:23 |
| mdke | yeah, still down | 08:23 |
| mdke | I mailed henrik yesterday about it | 08:23 |
| mdke | no reply yet tho | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'll set up a bzr repo of something, might be just one doc (maybe I can try bzrize the desktopguide) | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | and we can test it out | 08:24 |
| mdke | ok | 08:25 |
| mdke | one big question is whether we are looking at doing separate branches for different docs | 08:25 |
| mdke | that would be really tricky, I'd be provisionally extremely against the idea :) | 08:25 |
| mdke | so my pdfs with embedded fonts, after a while I figured out how to do it with fop (it's a total pain) | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'm not sure. I'd like to do it but it might be too hard | 08:26 |
| mdke | I made one, and discovered a bug in poppler that means evince can't read it. | 08:26 |
| mdke | great. | 08:27 |
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| mdke | can people check out the latest pdf with embedded fonts and lemme know what they think? | 08:56 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: what is the url again? | 09:12 |
| mdke | http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide-embedded.pdf | 09:12 |
| LaserJock | mdke: btw, my emails are an example of why I disklike email. I'm always waaaay too verbose. | 09:12 |
| mdke | naahhh | 09:13 |
| LaserJock | heh, who uses evince anyway ;-) | 09:14 |
| mdke | well, Ubuntu uses it | 09:15 |
| mdke | hopefully they'll fix the bug quickly and we can get it into dapper | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | I've never used evince much, last time I used it it so painfully slow | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | it looked cool though | 09:16 |
| LaserJock | mdke: the fonts don't show up in OSX's pdf viewer (Preview.app) but it looks good in acrobat | 09:26 |
| mdke | interesting | 09:31 |
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| mdke | oh, does anyone have any more thoughts on SIZE of the books? 2 votes for crown quarto (18.9cm x 24.6cm) and 1 for 6x9 (15.24cm x 22.86cm) so far. | 10:46 |
| LaserJock | mdke: what is that in inches? ;-) | 10:47 |
| mdke | 7.44" x 9.68" | 10:48 |
| mdke | slightly different shape I spose, a bit wider | 10:48 |
| mdke | might be nicer for the long urls :D | 10:48 |
| mgalvin | mdke: i think the perfect bound crown quarto seems best so +1 for me on that | 10:48 |
| mdke | ok, i've made a pdf for crown quarto too, I'll post it | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | +1 for crown quarto from me | 10:49 |
| mdke | ok, it's at http://mdke.org/ubuntu as usual | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | but I don't have much of an opinion on it | 10:50 |
| mdke | the page numbers come down quite a bit | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do we need US people to order a test? | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I didn't quite get why? just speed of delivery? | 10:51 |
| mdke | it would probably cost less and be quicker | 10:51 |
| mdke | no biggie, but if you can, that would be good | 10:51 |
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| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:52 |
| mdke | that's ok, I'll pay | 10:52 |
| mgalvin | evince doesn't seem to like that one :-/ | 10:52 |
| mdke | mgalvin, no, fraid not. It can't handle the embedded fonts | 10:52 |
| mgalvin | what works? | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | oh, well it isn't that much mdke, you really wouldn't need to pay | 10:53 |
| mdke | acroread works | 10:53 |
| mdke | LaserJock, it's only a test, I'll pay | 10:53 |
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| mdke | are the fonts too small on the crown quarto one? | 10:53 |
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| mdke | i might print a page out | 10:53 |
| mdke | yeah, I think they are too small | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I didn't think it was too bad, bigger wouldn't hurt though | 11:01 |
| mdke | i printed a page on A4 (bigger) and they look pretty small | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | the icons are too big though, can we get smaller B&W ones? | 11:01 |
| mdke | yes, smaller definitely | 11:02 |
| mdke | hmm, i didn't change the font size, I wonder why they are smaller on crown quarto | 11:02 |
| mdke | or maybe they just look smaller ;) | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | they might just look smaller | 11:02 |
| mdke | let's try 10.5 rather than 10 | 11:03 |
| mdke | if one can have 10.5 | 11:03 |
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| mdke | LaserJock, btw, doc.u.c is back | 11:05 |
| LaserJock | yeah, just noticed that | 11:06 |
| mdke | ok, try that pdf | 11:06 |
| mdke | oh no, that's the same one | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | the fonts are the same sized here, btw | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | I printed out a 6x9 and crown quarto | 11:07 |
| mdke | on the right size paper? | 11:07 |
| mdke | ok, new pdf uploaded | 11:07 |
| LaserJock | I printed them on Letter without any scalling, I can overlap words on the two pages and they are the same size | 11:08 |
| mdke | ok | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | but the cq is just wider than the 6x9 | 11:08 |
| mdke | are they readable? | 11:08 |
| mdke | do you think the latest one (11) is better? | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | yes, but let me try the new one | 11:09 |
| mdke | also, feedback on margins is good. They are quite small right now | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | the 11 is easier on the eyes, feels more like a casual read than a highly technical manual or something | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | I can't really say much about the margins when I'm printing on the wrong sized paper :/ | 11:14 |
| mdke | yeah, fine. Thanks | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | but in the .pdf it looks pretty good | 11:14 |
| mdke | i think this is pretty damn hot | 11:15 |
| mdke | i need to embed one more font though | 11:15 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: can you install things on doc.u.c? bzr isn't on there | 11:15 |
| mdke | yes. from the repository? | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | yeah, what release is it running? | 11:16 |
| mdke | 5.10 | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | yikes, maybe not then | 11:17 |
| mdke | it's a bit early for a dist-upgrade on there | 11:17 |
| mdke | :) | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | sorry, I thought bzr on breezy would have been more updated, not yikes that you aren't running Dapper on a server ;-) | 11:17 |
| mdke | ah, get a deb? | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I think so. http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads has some places to get .debs | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | I would sort of prefer jbailey's snapshots | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure if they work on Breezy | 11:20 |
| mdke | LaserJock, if you ask around and gimme an url, I'll install it | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | mdke: k | 11:23 |
| mdke | damn, fop mailing list draws a dud | 11:23 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: add "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./" | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | and then "apt-get update && apt-get install bzr bzrtools" | 12:03 |
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