[12:03] <Zdra> gdmflexiserver --xnest
[12:06] <sivang> Zdra: nice :) what is gdmflexiserver ?
[12:07] <sivang> Zdra: so sabayon only adds profiles to those :)
[12:07] <Zdra> sivang: I don't know ubuntu had a icon in the application menu with that before dapper, now it's hidden by default :)
[12:07] <sivang> way cool
[12:07] <Zdra> all I know is that it worked on breezy :)
[12:07] <sivang> I wish I know what this is
[12:07] <sivang> knew
[12:08] <sivang> slomo: maybe you have an idea about gdmflexiserver ?
[03:32] <ajmitch> afternoon Hobbsee
[03:32] <ajmitch> well, morning for you
[03:33] <Hobbsee> morning ajmitch
[03:33] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee, ajmitch
[03:33] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:33] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:34] <Hobbsee> crazy ajmitch!
[03:35] <ajmitch> yes, crazy for staying up that late
[03:35] <ajmitch> someone is a bad influence on me, I'm sure
[03:35] <Hobbsee> !@#$#$%^^
[03:35] <ajmitch> ?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> found a new way for the dcc exploit
[03:36] <ajmitch> ah
[03:36] <ajmitch> something else to deal with in channels
[03:36] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:37] <ajmitch> sigh, I have to go off to uni in a few minutes
[03:43] <Hobbsee> heh, enjoy
[04:00] <ajmitch> yay, 3 students in the lab
[04:00] <ajmitch> it's going to be an exciting afternoon
[04:00] <bddebian> heh
[04:02] <ajmitch> ok, it's grown to 4 students, I might be really busy then :)
[04:31] <Kyral> hey
[04:32] <bddebian> Heya Kyral
[04:32] <Kyral> hey....
[04:34] <bddebian> Ack, why?
[04:36] <Kyral> I dunno...I'm becoming more involved with ArchLinux...
[04:36] <bddebian> Gah
[04:37] <TheMuso> Kyral: I guess you are finding it better for your needs?
[04:37] <Kyral> TheMuso, yah
[04:38] <Kyral> its quicker on the draw so to speak and its easier to tweak every aspect
[04:38] <TheMuso> quicker on the draw?
[04:39] <Kyral> Yah....as in performs faster
[04:39] <Mongoose> O RLY?
[04:39] <Mongoose> Kyral: =)
[04:40] <Kyral> yah
[04:40] <Kyral> and the AUR is nice
[04:40] <TheMuso> Do you really think i686 optimizations are helping with that?
[04:40] <TheMuso> AUR?
[04:40] <bddebian> Kyral: What packaging system does it use?
[04:41] <TheMuso> bddebian: Its own AFAIK.
[04:41] <TheMuso> Their packages aren't broken down so much however.
[04:41] <TheMuso> So you want ncurses, you get the libs and the headers in the one package.
[04:41] <bddebian> TheMuso: Ah
[04:42] <Kyral> TheMuso, moreso that it doesn't assume you want any daemons running
[04:42] <Kyral> ie, drops you to a command line and lets you build from scratch
[04:42] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:42] <Kyral> so I don't have RAID running when I don't need
[04:42] <TheMuso> It is targeting a different audience I guess.
[04:42] <Kyral> same with modules
[04:42] <bddebian> Sounds like Slackware or Gentoo :-)
[04:42] <Kyral> do a lsmod | wc -l right now and tell me how many modules you have loaded
[04:43] <Kyral> I have 66 loaded
[04:43] <TheMuso> I was a Slackware user, but got sick of tweaking and settings things up
[04:43] <TheMuso> And the package management...
[04:43] <TheMuso> I played with arc a bit, but wasn't fond of it./
[04:43] <bddebian> Kyral: 63
[04:43] <Kyral> bddebian, on Ubuntu?
[04:44] <bddebian> Kyral: Yep
[04:44] <Kyral> hmm nm then lol
[04:44] <Kyral> then again I have my full complement loaded
[04:44] <bddebian> Kyral: Of course that's my server install ;-P
[04:44] <Kyral> No GUI?
[04:44] <bddebian> Nope :-)
[04:45] <Kyral> Cheater....
[04:45] <TheMuso> Kyral: So I guess the question is, why are you still here?
[04:45] <Kyral> TheMuso, because I still maintain packages...
[04:45] <Kyral> I won't abandon them
[04:45] <TheMuso> Right.
[04:45] <Kyral> Oh bddebian I have you beat
[04:45] <Kyral> horribly beat
[04:46] <TheMuso> If thats the case, you should go for MOTU, as the middle man will be removed if you have upload rights.
[04:46] <Kyral> my XenBreezy server, only 12 modules loaded :P
[04:46] <TheMuso> So to speak.
[04:46] <TheMuso> But how much of that is in the kernel? :)
[04:46] <Kyral> good point...I had to custom compile the kernel....
[04:46] <bddebian> Kyral: :-)
[04:46] <Kyral> it IS Xen
[04:47] <Kyral> 5.1 MB kernel
[04:47] <Kyral> I should slash it down when I go to Xen 3
[04:47] <Kyral> I don't need like ANYTHING in there
[04:47] <Kyral> I could prolly drop it to 2 MB
[04:50] <Kyral> basically I'm a performance junkie right now
[04:50] <Kyral> my laptop is 3 years old, so I need every advantage I can get
[04:51] <Kyral> this Desktop is almost a year and a half and lives on an Athlon XP, which isn't made anymore (sadly)
[05:03] <Kyral> and personally I find it fun to take these things to the limit :D
[05:03] <Kyral> To see how far I can push my hardware
[05:03] <Kyral> to see if I can do it
[05:03] <Kyral> this is why I'm gonna (at least try) to make my own distro at some point
[05:09] <TheMuso> Good luck. :)
[05:09] <TheMuso> LFS is probably the place to start.
[05:11] <Kyral> How'd you guess I was gonna start there :P
[05:18] <TheMuso> Thats where most would start probably.
[05:20] <Kyral> hehe
[05:20] <Kyral> It would be fun to see if I could do it
[05:20] <Kyral> to write my own package management system
[05:21] <Kyral> I may be getting ahead of my self, but I think I know what I would call it
[05:25] <Kyral> Infinity Linux (I was doodling in class the other day and I randomly drew the Infinity symbol and thought "Hey! That would be a cool name for a distro")
[05:31] <TheMuso> hehe
[05:32] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[05:32] <tritium> hello bddebian :)
[05:32] <Se7h> Fetched 150MB in 5m50s (427kB/s)
[05:32] <Se7h> \o/ updates
[05:32] <Se7h> lol
[05:32] <Se7h> hello :)
[05:36] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:36] <zakame> hello bddebian
[06:13] <jmg> anyone run ubuntu on a macbok pro?
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning motu world :)
[07:59] <Hobbsee> afternoon dholbach
[07:59] <ajmitch> it's evening, not afternoon
[07:59] <ajmitch> the sun has set!
[07:59] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee :)
[07:59] <dholbach> Hobbsee: how are you?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, thinking about lunch and work
[08:01] <dholbach> i finally got that  vi  mug during the weekend
[08:01] <dholbach> maybe it'll work better for me today :-p
[08:02] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: isn't it a little late for lunch? :)
[08:02] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: its' 4pm...
[08:02] <Hobbsee> and if i dont have some form of lunch before work, i'll pass out...
[08:02] <dholbach> Hobbsee: don't worry - seb128 asks me the same questions all the time :)
[08:02] <ajmitch> yes
[08:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:02] <ajmitch> so it's dinner, not lunch
[08:03] <ajmitch> we really don't think passing out is a good idea
[08:04] <Hobbsee> no, dinner will be when i get home again!
[08:05] <ajmitch> heh
[08:05] <ajmitch> and breakfast was at noon?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> er...did breakfast occur today?
[08:14] <ajmitch> welcome back, good to see you're still with us
[08:15] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, it was yesterday that it didnt occur.  yes, lunch occured today...11am or something...
[08:21] <Hobbsee> of course i'm still here.  i'd only pass out in a few hours, at work
[10:31] <sivang> slomo_: ping, morning
[11:18] <adu> ahh
[02:18] <zakame> hi all
[02:20] <ajmitch> hi zakame
[02:24] <ajmitch> evening Hobbsee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[02:24] <Hobbsee> thought you might still be awake
[02:24] <ajmitch> me? nah..
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yes.  you.
[02:26] <ajmitch> why would I be awake at this hour?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> because you never sleep?
[02:27] <zakame> hello ajmitch Hobbsee
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hi zakame
[02:29] <ajmitch> hello StevenK
[02:29] <StevenK> Ouch!
[02:30] <zakame> heya StevenK
[02:30] <zakame> hi Seveas
[02:31] <Seveas> hi
[02:45] <cyberix> slomo_: GNUnet update ack. gnunet-gtk will get an update too?
[02:50] <zul> heylo
[02:50] <zakame> heylo zul
[02:51] <zul> hey zakame
[03:52] <phanatic> hi people
[03:52] <zakame> hello phanatic
[03:53] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic, zakame
[03:53] <phanatic> hey zakame, Gloubiboulga
[03:55] <Gloubiboulga> hi Hobbsee
[03:55] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: it's easier to just wave to .*
[03:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:57] <zakame> heya Gloubiboulga  Hobbsee
[03:57] <zakame> $motu->wave
[03:58] <ajmitch> heh
[03:58] <zakame> lol
[03:58] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: too late, I'm out of range already.
[03:59] <Mithrandir> I'll have to bring a long stick with feathers on, then?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:00] <Hobbsee> you'll find it pretty hard to manipulate
[04:00] <ajmitch> morning bddebian
[04:00] <zakame> heya bddebian
[04:00] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:01] <Hobbsee> see, this is how it's done...
[04:01] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, zakame, Hobbsee
[04:01] <sivang> heya bddebian jaw breaker :)
[04:01] <bddebian> heh
[04:01] <bddebian> Hi sivang
[04:02] <sivang> bddebian: what are you plans for breaking today? :-D
[04:02] <sivang> *your
[04:02] <Hobbsee> he's going to break apt, of course :D
[04:02] <sivang> hehe
[04:02] <bddebian> Dunno yet, got something I SHOULD break? ;-P
[04:02] <sivang> bddebian: hehe
[04:03] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yes, apt.
[04:05] <bddebian> Nah, I like "fixing" a bug for a universe package, trying to upload, then finding out part of it is in main :-(
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:06] <ajmitch> and having to get main UVF exceptions? :)
[04:06] <zakame> lol
[04:07] <bddebian> ajmitch: Nah, it was a small change
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[04:12] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Hi
[04:12] <tuxmaniac> Got your email
[04:12] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: I will change the changelog
[04:12] <bddebian> Cool.  Any resolution on the REVU problem yet?
[04:13] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Nope. Still it says file already present in the server! :)
[04:13] <zakame> changelog the changelog
[04:13] <bddebian> zakame: :-)
[04:13] <tuxmaniac> hi zakame  :)
[04:14] <zakame> heya tuxmaniac
[04:14] <zakame> wb phanatic
[04:15] <phanatic> hey zakame
[04:15] <bddebian> ajmitch: Any chance you have a second to look at tuxmaniac's upload to REVU?
[04:15] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I dont know whether it got uploaded :)
[04:17] <zakame> wowoctaviz takes long
[04:17] <zakame> gar sticky keys
[04:18] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: what package?
[04:18] <tuxmaniac> XCircuit
[04:19] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: how far did the upload get?
[04:19] <ajmitch> since I don't see it at all on there
[04:20] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: All the 4 files got uploaded..
[04:20] <ajmitch> unless someone has kindly removed it
[04:20] <tuxmaniac> Initially I dint configure it to revu
[04:20] <ajmitch> ah right
[04:20] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: so might have got uploaed to ubuntu
[04:20] <ajmitch> that's probably why
[04:20] <ajmitch> you tried again with dput -f ?
[04:21] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: But afterwards bddebian helpeed me.. And when i again tried
[04:21] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: it throws up a File already present in the server error!
[04:21] <ajmitch> and in your dput config?
[04:21] <ajmitch> I can see that it's certainly not here
[04:21] <tuxmaniac> yes
[04:22] <tuxmaniac> I did change my dput.cf file.
[04:22] <ajmitch> yes, but tell me what's in your dput.cf file, please
[04:23] <tuxmaniac> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/677164
[04:23] <tuxmaniac> Thats the error i get
[04:23] <ajmitch> right, so it says that files *may* be present
[04:23] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Can you pastbin your dput.cf?
[04:23] <ajmitch> but it's likely that your dput.cf is wrong
[04:24] <tuxmaniac> http://pastebin.com/678896
[04:24] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I am new to packaging.. So bare with me pls :)
[04:25] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: it's wrong, change it to what is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[04:25] <zakame> hmm gnus just got the O
[04:25] <ajmitch> specifically the incoming = / line
[04:25] <ajmitch> should be incoming = /incoming
[04:26] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Oh ok
[04:27] <tuxmaniac> ajmit:)ch: zakame : bddebian : Its uploading finally
[04:27] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Danke!
[04:27] <ajmitch> ok, now people can get on correcting the packages :)
[04:27] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Awesome!
[04:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Thanks
[04:28] <zakame> tuxmaniac: rock on! =)
[04:28] <tuxmaniac> thanks all.. I luv ubuntu for this only...
[04:28] <bddebian> :-)
[04:29] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: And abt the other issue of installing into X diectory
[04:29] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: thats how the previous package was packed :P
[04:30] <tuxmaniac> Guys while uploading should the dinstall run?
[04:31] <bddebian> No
[04:31] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Well it was wrong too then :-)
[04:32] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: Does it run imake or xmkmf?
[04:34] <tuxmaniac> Yeah.. Successfully uploaded packages :)
[04:35] <tuxmaniac> Nope
[04:35] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: it did not run.. I first did a simulation and then really uploaded then
[04:36] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: because you uploaded a binary package, not a source package
[04:37] <Hobbsee> maybe it was somethign else that i was thinking of...
[04:37] <bddebian> Hobbsee: A PITA, that's what imake/xmkmf is :-)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:37] <Hobbsee> right
[04:37] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: Evil
[04:37] <Hobbsee> even more evil than checkinstall?
[04:37] <ajmitch> almost
[04:38] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, it was that that i was thinking of...
[04:38] <Hobbsee> how does one change the file to use make instead?  change teh makefile or something?
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I have uploaded .orig also.. Is that enough?
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I mean when I gave dput.. It uploaded the changes, dsc,deb, .orig.tar
[04:39] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Is that fine or something else to be done?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> tuxmaniac: did it upload the .diff.gz?
[04:40] <tuxmaniac> Sorry I missed it out
[04:41] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee: Yes it did :D
[04:41] <Hobbsee> oh good
[04:41] <ajmitch> tuxmaniac: no it's not ok, sorry\
[04:41] <ajmitch> you need to build a source-only package
[04:41] <ajmitch> eg debuild -S -sa
[04:42] <tuxmaniac> Oh Thanks I do it right away
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Done!
[04:43] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: I upload it once again?
[04:43] <ajmitch> yes
[04:44] <ajmitch> make sure you upload the _source.changes file
[04:47] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Again the previous problem of file already existent on the server comes :(
[04:48] <ajmitch> try again, with dput -f
[04:48] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Yeah Doing it!
[04:49] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Danke :)
[05:00] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: Hey Connection Refused upload I guess!
[05:00] <tuxmaniac> Sorry for disturbing you ajmitch
[05:00] <ajmitch> what do you mean?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: likes being kept up all night, you know :P - he doesnt sleep, anyway
[05:01] <ajmitch> shh
[05:01] <tuxmaniac> Connection refused.. My network dropped.. :( Again I try to do a dput and same file already existing rror
[05:02] <tuxmaniac> pops up
[05:02] <ajmitch> which is different from the connection being refused
[05:02] <ajmitch> I can clear it so you can try again
[05:02] <tuxmaniac> Yeah pls.. :) Sorry yaar!
[05:02] <ajmitch> try again please
[05:03] <tuxmaniac> yeah uploading
[05:12] <ajmitch> night all
[05:12] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[05:57] <jpatrick> hi tuxmaniac
[05:57] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Hi.. The thing got solved! Wrong Dput configuraton :)
[05:57] <jpatrick> d'oh
[05:57] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: But my network is irritating me..
[05:57] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Murphy's law!! Still unable to upload!
[05:57] <bddebian> :-(
[05:58] <jpatrick> I usually get that
[05:58] <jpatrick> just that it doesn't go slooow, it just _stops_ entirely
[05:58] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Exactly the problem!! :)
[05:59] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Somebody has to clear the previous upload for me now! Hope ajmitch does not mind once again..  :)
[06:00] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: I could
[06:00] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: U have any suggestion to automatically force! -f is _not_ working
[06:00] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Nice if you can do it :)
[06:01] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: try now
[06:04] <tuxmaniac> yeah thanks jpatrick
[06:04] <jpatrick> no problem
[06:05] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: I didn't know you hung out in #hurd too ;-)
[06:06] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: A newbie there too.. Jus got impressed with its archtecture
[06:06] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: A fan from yesterday!
[06:06] <tuxmaniac> :)
[06:06] <bddebian> :-)
[06:08] <tuxmaniac> Done! Upload successful
[06:08] <jpatrick> woohoo
[06:09] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: running revu-report as an added extra
[06:11] <jpatrick> wow, lots of compile warnings
[06:11] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Yes.. :) I tried to remove it.. Seems its an Upstream problem!
[06:11] <jpatrick> tuxmaniac: done; http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2302
[06:12] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Super! Thanks
[06:15] <tuxmaniac> jpatrick: Seems there are lots of problems!
[06:42] <Tonio_> hello all
[06:42] <Gloubiboulga> hi Tonio_
[06:45] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: you're trying the motu membership ?
[06:46] <bddebian> Heya Tonio_
[06:46] <Tonio_> hey bddebian
[06:47] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and Tonio_
[06:47] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:47] <Tonio_> hey LaserJock ;)
[06:48] <Gloubiboulga> Tonio_, yes :)
[06:48] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: I'll be there to support you :)
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> merci Tonio_ :)
[06:49] <Tonio_> de rien ;)
[06:49] <Tonio_> Gloubiboulga: j'ai toujours aim l'ile aux enfants ;)
[06:49] <Gloubiboulga> hh
[06:50] <jpatrick> _ groovy
[06:53] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga, that's great :) i'm sure you make it
[06:53] <Gloubiboulga> phanatic, thanks, we'll see tomorrow...
[06:56] <phanatic> i'll try to be there too as a silent supporter :)
[06:57] <Gloubiboulga> thanks :)
[07:33] <slomo_> cyberix: yes
[08:06] <bddebian> Is there some way I can get 'apt-get build-dep foo' to continue even on errors?
[08:13] <ogra> ever thought about podcasting your monologues ? :P
[08:13] <ogra> i guess a local repo in sources.list might do
[08:14] <bddebian> ogra: What, of me talking to myself since no one answers me? :-)
[08:14] <ogra> yep :)
[08:14] <bddebian> This is why I'll never be a main uploader :'-(
[08:17] <cyberix> slomo_: Great
[08:22] <LaserJock> heh
[08:22] <LaserJock> I'll cross mine too
[09:17] <jpatrick> LaserJock: ping
[09:17] <LaserJock> jpatrick: hi
[09:18] <jpatrick> did you get my patch?
[09:18] <bddebian> scilab SUCKS! :-)
[09:19] <LaserJock> jpatrick: yep
[09:19] <slomo_> sivang: ping?
[09:19] <LaserJock> jpatrick: but I haven't applied it yet.
[09:31] <sivang> slomo_: pong
[09:32] <slomo_> sivang: i have some time now for your package :)
[09:33] <sivang> slomo_: cool, lt me see if I can put an archive online somewhere with fixes
[09:33] <slomo_> sivang: ask siretart for a revu login and upload it there ;)
[09:34] <sivang> slomo_: at the momnet it would be faster for me to put it on one of the servers I'm using :-)
[09:34] <crimsun> bddebian: url to packages in which you're getting that error on autoconf
[09:34] <bddebian> crimsun: It's scilab
[09:35] <bddebian> crimsun: But I'm using the newer .1 release from Debian
[09:35] <crimsun> do you plan to/have you file/d a uvfe for it?
[09:35] <sivang> slomo_: there some small fixes (yet) I want to do before the initial upload, until when will you be available ?
[09:36] <slomo_> sivang: 2 1/2 hours from now at least
[09:36] <bddebian> crimsun: Do I need one for a release add for a bugfix?  I thought that was only for API/ABI changes?
[09:36] <sivang> slomo_: okay, if I can pull the fix in an hour, I'll do that, if not then just ping you back to review and upload if appropriate
[09:37] <crimsun> bddebian: no, it's more like an informative clue for me, since I need to prioritise my pbuilder attempts
[09:37] <bddebian> crimsun: Well just give me a hint, you don't have to build it :-)
[09:38] <crimsun> I can't give you a hint without trying it, but I'll attempt Debian's .1 in a few minutes as soon as I leave this meeting.
[09:47] <sivang> slomo_: okay, let's do it this way, I've put the fixed archive online, http://mercury.linuxguru.net/~sivan/HUB
[09:47] <hub> ?
[09:47] <sivang> slomo_: see if this is okay, if so, I'll then work on the fix I wanted to have and then ping you to do the actual upload given I do not touch the packaging anymore.
[09:47] <slomo_> sivang: as it's a native package don't use a x.y.z-a version... but only x.y.z
[09:47] <sivang> hub: oh, sorry again.
[09:48] <ogra> sivang, you should consider renamming the abbreviation :)
[09:48] <sivang> ogra: yes :)
[09:49] <sivang> slomo_: apart for that, everything's okay with respect to your other comments?
[09:49] <slomo_> sivang: no... i found new issues ;) shall i write them here or by mail?
[09:49] <sivang> slomo_: email plesae
[09:50] <slomo_> sivang: address?
[09:50] <sivang> slomo_: sivan@ubuntu.com
[09:50] <ogra> why dont you guys just use revu ?
[09:50] <slomo_> ogra: don't ask me but sivang ;)
[09:50] <LaserJock> ogra: I was wondering that myself
[09:53] <sivang> I need to send a signed email somewhere right?
[09:53] <sivang> slomo_: I recall now I forgot to take off the shlibs:Depends
[09:54] <slomo_> sivang: yes, but that's not the only problem ;)
[09:54] <ogra> sivang, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[09:55] <sivang> hmm, ajmitch already added a while ago
[09:55] <sivang> ogra: how di I put my package there if I'm already in the keyring?
[09:56] <sivang> ogra: thanks, this page has all instructions
[09:56] <ogra> sivang dput
[09:56] <ogra> :)
[09:58] <sivang> weird,
[09:58] <sivang> I already have a revu entry in dput.cf
[09:58] <sivang> does it come like this when you install dput ? :)
[09:59] <ogra> yep iirc
[10:01] <sivang> nice
[10:02] <crimsun> bddebian: ping
[10:03] <bddebian> Yo
[10:03] <bddebian> So, what are we doing with "fixed in Dapper" bugs?
[10:03] <crimsun> bddebian: are you syncing?
[10:04] <bddebian> crimsun: No, I'm adding a desktop file and cping X11_defaults/scilab.xpm to usr/share/pixmaps
[10:04] <crimsun> bug #(s)?
[10:05] <bddebian> Bug #3496
[10:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3496 in scilab "scilab installer bad path and fonts" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3496
[10:07] <crimsun> ok, maybe I'm missing something, but there's no attachment with a desktop file
[10:07] <slomo_> sivang: review finished :)
[10:09] <crimsun> bddebian: does 14.1 actually address the font issue(s)? Nothing in the changelog mentions it.
[10:10] <crimsun> bddebian: 14.1 pbuilds fine here (ia32)
[10:11] <bddebian> crimsun: No, I am adding the desktop file myself.  That's my specialty ;-P  I know it builds fine but it's picking up /X11R6/ dirs from configure, which is why I wanted to try an autoconf, etc
[10:11] <bddebian> Try to run it
[10:11] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[10:13] <sivang> slomo_: yes, got your email. Funny I was sure I moved all needd to Binary-Indep :)
[10:13] <sivang> :)
[10:14] <slomo_> sivang: huh? i didn't say something about binary-indep, that was ok :)
[10:14] <sivang> slomo_: hmm, after workday tiredness then :
[10:14] <sivang> :)
[10:14] <sivang> slomo_: sorry for whining
[10:15] <sivang> slomo_: btw, how do you pick al those errors so quick and with detail? :)
[10:16] <slomo_> sivang: np :) hmm, you get used to find such problems fast after reviewing many packages
[10:16] <bddebian> I can't reproduce Bug #33528   Close it as Fixed in Dapper?
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33528 in gbib "starting gbib produces segmentation fault in breezy" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33528
[10:17] <sivang> slomo_: how do you set up debuild to sign your package at end of debuil -S ?
[10:18] <uniq> i think it's default behaviour if you have gnupg installed? -us -uc tells it to not sign.
[10:18] <slomo_> sivang: no idea, i use dpkg-buildpackage... and it does this by default unless you specify -uc or -us
[10:18] <sivang> slomo_: okay, thanks
[10:20] <sivang> slomo_: debuild is basically a frontend to dpkg-buildpackage IIRC
[10:20] <uniq> sivang: you can actually set the options in /etc/devscripts.conf
[10:21] <uniq> i have not done it, and it sill works.. though.
[10:21] <sivang> uniq: yes worked for me now, I guess it just needed to sense that the secring is there
[10:21] <sivang> uniq: I just plugged the usbdisk with my keys, so may it be it needed time to open the secring file
[10:22] <sivang> weird, in any case.
[10:22] <sivang> but works now
[10:23] <sivang> slomo_: I upload to revu just to see if it works, it does not include the changes required yet.
[10:28] <bddebian> crimsun: Are you playing with this or did I lose you? :-)
[10:28] <crimsun> my machine is very slow, dpkg is just finishing postinst
[10:28] <bddebian> Ahh :-)
[10:31] <sivang> slomo_: is the {python:Depends} like shlibs:Depends for python programs?
[10:31] <crimsun> bddebian: the bug report is a red herring for scilab
[10:32] <bddebian> ??
[10:32] <slomo_> sivang: not really... only the python dependencies are put in there... the dependencies on python, not the dependencies on any python packages like python-gtk2
[10:32] <crimsun> bddebian: pvm is a Recommends; the font issue is due to defoma
[10:32] <bddebian> Did you run it?
[10:32] <crimsun> yes
[10:32] <bddebian> You get that weird ass font?
[10:32] <crimsun> yes, it's due to defoma
[10:33] <bddebian> OK, fine but how do I fix it? :-)
[10:33] <crimsun> that bug report is misfiled against scilab
[10:33] <sivang> slomo_: is there something like the shlibs for python? I would envisage a subtvar that would take care of adding the required dependenies by going over my import statement sin the code :-)
[10:33] <bddebian> Ooohhh
[10:33] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:33] <seamus-laptop> anyone from laptop testing here?
[10:33] <bddebian> What about the weird pvm3 path error on startup?
[10:33] <tseng> seamus-laptop: #ubuntu-laptop
[10:33] <seamus-laptop> gratzi
[10:34] <crimsun> bddebian: that's not an error, that's just informative. pvm is a Recommends, so using apt-get doesn't install it by default. It's harmless.
[10:34] <slomo_> sivang: unfortunately not (afaik) as not all import are a depenendency... think of (try: import foo except: try: import bar except pass)
[10:34] <bddebian> Hmm
[10:34] <sivang> slomo_: ah right
[10:35] <crimsun> bddebian: well if you feel strongly, promote pvm to Depends :)
[10:35] <bddebian> I don't know, I'm dumb, remember
[10:35] <crimsun> then flip a coin
[10:35] <crimsun> heads don't promote, tails promote
[10:36] <bddebian> So what do I do about defoma?  It's in main :-(
[10:36] <sivang> bddebian: you broke defoma ? ;-)
[10:36] <crimsun> reassign, wash your hands like Pilate, and find another boog. :)
[10:37] <bddebian> Bah, I need to fix stuff.. :-(
[10:37] <bddebian> crimsun: BTW, how did you determine that it's defoma?
[10:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: as long as it disappers from my list ;-)
[10:38] <LaserJock> bddebian: maybe you should file a bug upstream about pvm, if there isn't one already
[10:39] <crimsun> bddebian: try removing the Eastern ttf* packages
[10:39] <bddebian> crimsun: ??
[10:39] <bddebian> Oh
[10:39] <bddebian> But where is it getting it from?
[10:39] <bddebian> Grr, maybe I should just hang my hat
[10:39] <crimsun> whatever's injecting it into defoma (pango?)
[10:41] <bddebian> So, no one ever answered me about what to do about Bug #33528
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33528 in gbib "starting gbib produces segmentation fault in breezy" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/33528
[10:42] <crimsun> close it
[10:42] <crimsun> I'm facing a similar bug in vlc RE: matroska files crashing it
[10:43] <bddebian> Close it as Fix Release "Fixed in Dapper" ?
[10:43] <bddebian> +d
[10:43] <crimsun> no, reject it. Fixed means it was actually fixed; that can't be confirmed here.
[10:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, upstream was never really able to fully confirm it, and I couldn't either for dapper
[10:44] <bddebian> But rejecting it just means we aren't going to fix it doesn't it?
[10:44] <LaserJock> it closes it as rejected
[10:44] <LaserJock> don't do it!
[10:44] <crimsun> it can imply that, yes, but how can you fix it if you don't know what's wrong? It's simply not possible to fix it.
[10:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: I know but as a user, I would take that as "We ain't gonna fix it" :)
[10:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, we ain't gonna fix something that we can't confirm happens
[10:45] <crimsun> if you're really at odds with rejecting it, mark it Needs Info
[10:46] <crimsun> (granted it'll probably stay in "Needs Info" indefinitely in that case ;)
[10:47] <LaserJock> but Debian has basically closed the same bug
[10:47] <crimsun> yes, Steve was nice enough to say "we can't reproduce it [so I'm rejecting it] "
[10:49] <bddebian> Hmm, what about the scilab bugs then
[10:50] <sivang> slomo_: wow! http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/upbackup-0604241620/lintian
[10:50] <sivang> slomo_: cool
[10:51] <sivang> slomo_: almost as having a private slomo :)
[10:51] <bddebian> I guess I'll reject that one too
[10:52] <sivang> ogra: I'm sold on revu for now on
[10:52] <crimsun> I wouldn't; I'd reassign it to either pango or defoma
[10:52] <slomo_> sivang: but it only lists some very common bugs ;) about the second one... ignore it... but debhelper in B-D and the other stuff in B-D-I
[10:54] <bddebian> crimsun: Sorry, I was talking about the dies on startup bug.  I'll re-assign the font problem to defoma
[10:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: it still does that?
[11:00] <crimsun> bddebian: it doesn't die on startup.
[11:01] <crimsun> bddebian: what appears in the console is simply an informative message
[11:01] <sivang> slomo_: second one on the revu/linda output?
[11:01] <slomo_> sivang: lintian output... about the build-depends
[11:02] <bddebian> crimsun: I know, I rejected that one :-)
[11:02] <bddebian> Sheesh :-)
[11:03] <sivang> slomo_: okay, what about the -stamps ?
[11:04] <slomo_> sivang: stamps?
[11:04] <sivang> slomo_: I see they do something, like dh_testdir and then touch the stamps so they won't get created on subsequent calls
[11:04] <sivang> slomo_: is it safe to remove them?
[11:05] <slomo_> sivang: "safe" but not very wise ;) but you can remove the complete configure* targets because you don't do anything in there
[11:05] <sivang> slomo_: true, why "unwise" ?
[11:06] <slomo_> sivang: because they save time :)
[11:06] <sivang> slomo_: but you told me to remove them :)
[11:06] <slomo_> sivang: it told you?
[11:07] <sivang> slomo_: no, in your email to me:
[11:07] <sivang> - remove the configure/configure-stamp targets... they don't do anything
[11:07] <slomo_> yes... configure and configure-stamp, not all -stamp targets :)
[11:08] <sivang> slomo_: okay, so leave the configure one only.
[11:09] <slomo_> sivang: ?
[11:11] <sivang> slomo_: yes?
[11:12] <sivang> slomo_: sorry, I mean, remove all the configure ones, leave build-stamps :)
[11:12] <slomo_> sivang: ok :)
[11:14] <dholbach> good night motus :)
[11:15] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[11:15] <slomo_> gn8 daniel :)
[11:16] <dholbach> night you two
[11:29] <sivang> slomo_: hrm I realize now I have no idea why arch build is there
[11:29] <sivang> slomo_: or what it does
[11:30] <slomo_> sivang: ok =)
[11:30] <slomo_> sivang: then remove it ;)
[11:30] <sivang> slomo_: say, if I later want to add a C binary to my package, how easy would it be given that I am making this package Build-INdep mostly?
[11:30] <slomo_> sivang: fairly easy... but why would you want to do that? ;)
[11:31] <sivang> slomo_: I may to add some C magic to detect free space on multi sessions CDs and non empty ones, as currently hal only reports the size of the allocated volume on a CD
[11:31] <sivang> slomo_: so I have realiable reading only for empty CDs
[11:31] <sivang> slomo_: (coreutils stat is used for other disk devices)
[11:33] <slomo_> sivang: there should be hal magic for all of this imho
[11:33] <slomo_> sivang: so better get this fixed there :)
[11:33] <sivang> slomo_: already checked upstream, this is as good as it gets.
[11:33] <sivang> slomo_: they told me to look for / implement my own methods to check this specific free space
[11:34] <slomo_> sivang: do you call cdrecord directly?
[11:34] <sivang> slomo_: as adding this to hal would mean they'd need to probe devices every once in a while
[11:34] <sivang> slomo_: yes, why?
[11:34] <slomo_> sivang: it can tell you this too iirc :)
[11:34] <sivang> slomo_: I sa something about cdrdao that can do this, not sure about cdrecord. I will check
[11:35] <sivang> slomo_: if you happen to run by it, please let me know or email me :
[11:35] <sivang> :)
[11:35] <sivang> argh, latency is killing me
[11:36] <slomo_> sivang: i'll take a look tomorrow... but why don't you use nautilus-burn?
[11:36] <sivang> slomo_: well, I wanted it to be usable from nautils-cd-burn and libn-c-b is not installed
[11:36] <sivang> slomo_: to have as little dependencies a sI can
[11:37] <sivang> it works pretty good, only needs some more error trapping basically.
[11:37] <slomo_> ok
[11:37] <sivang> slomo_: anyway, for the last change - must I remove all the shebangs?
[11:39] <sivang> slomo_: ah never mind, removed it from everything that is not menat to be run directly :)
[11:39] <slomo_> cool
[11:39] <slomo_> and everything else should be executable
[11:43] <sivang> slomo_: hmm, I wonder how I can do that in the existing package, and not intefere with the "scripts" directive of the dist-utils
[11:44] <sivang> slomo_: ny idea? mos tof the stuff installed under the package UPBackup in site-packages is to be executed reictly, but how do I make them executable?
[11:44] <slomo_> sivang: make it after the python ./setup.py --install
[11:47] <sivang> slomo_: using install -m ?
[11:47] <slomo_> sivang: using chmod +x ;) whatever you like more
[11:47] <sivang> slomo_: maybe there is a way to do that in the MANIFEST.in file?
[11:48] <slomo_> maybe... no idea about python's distutil stuff ;)
[11:52] <sivang> slomo_: where can I assume the files to be for the chmod +x thingy? debian/tmp/pkg-name-ver ?
[11:53] <slomo_> debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.4/....
[11:53] <sivang> slomo_: ah, okay, maybe I can use $(CURDIR) as it's used here:
[11:53] <sivang> 	python ./setup.py install --prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/upbackup/usr
[11:54] <sivang> although I'm not entirely sure about why it's /usr ..
[11:55] <slomo_> where would you want it to be? ;)
[11:58] <sivang> I just copied this bit from gdebi :)