[02:28] <alexcamilo> Hello. Is it possible to download the polish language content via apt-get for the edubuntu apps
[02:29] <alexcamilo> i tried "apt-cache search polish" and "apt-cache search pl"
[02:29] <alexcamilo> *sudo
[02:29] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure if you install the polish language packs then you will get what has been translated
[02:29] <alexcamilo> what are they called?
[02:30] <alexcamilo> nvm i'l hit up google and come back if search comes up dry
[02:30] <LaserJock> alexcamilo: language-pack-pl
[02:31] <alexcamilo> oh, thanx
[02:31] <LaserJock> np
[02:32] <LaserJock> alexcamilo: and you might want language-support-pl if you don't have it already
[02:33] <alexcamilo> hmm. not popping up. do i need to add a repository?
[02:36] <LaserJock> hmm, what release of ubuntu are you using?
[02:37] <alexcamilo> edubuntu 5.10
[02:37] <LaserJock> ahh, what I gave you might be for 6.06
[02:38] <LaserJock> actually, they are in the Main repository in breezy
[02:39] <alexcamilo> is there something like updating apt-cache
[02:39] <alexcamilo> like the list
[02:39] <LaserJock> apt-get update
[02:41] <alexcamilo> doesnt seem to help
[02:41] <alexcamilo> maybe i should spin the install disk while online. someone told me it will grab what it needs.
[02:41] <LaserJock> hmm, odd, but unfortunately I have to go
[02:41] <alexcamilo> thanx for the help
[02:41] <LaserJock> it is there I'm sure
[02:41] <LaserJock> somewhere
[02:41] <alexcamilo> i'l keep messin around toll it works
[03:41] <alexcamilo> i've noticed something odd about the splash screen in edubuntu. it's nice and shiny provided that nothing goes wrong but when something fails it goes back to white text mode. marks it as "failed" and continues.  is there any way to tell it to stay in that spash screen?  its annoying when something like contacting the ntp server when not online fails.
[05:00] <DarkElf109> Hey there. I was wondering, is it possible to configure auto-login with LTSP clients? I've searched the 'net and forums high and low, and there have only been vague mentionings of it. If it is possible, how is it done?
[08:25] <eniac_petrov> hi aLL
[08:27] <HedgeMage> hi eniac_petrov 
[08:27] <HedgeMage> I'm only somewhat here, but if you want my attention just hilight me (say my name)
[08:27] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:39] <eniac_petrov> ok
[08:39] <eniac_petrov> np
[08:39] <eniac_petrov> thanks
[08:39] <cbx33> hi all
[08:39] <eniac_petrov> hi
[08:39] <cbx33> ogra's not around yet is he?
[09:35] <JaneW> HedgeMage: no ogra is a he
[09:35] <Burgundavia> HedgeMage: oliver grawert, not a women
[09:35] <JaneW> HedgeMage: and he is named after himself ;)
[09:35] <JaneW> ogra = Oliver Grawert
[09:36] <HedgeMage> ahhh
[09:36] <JaneW> although it's pretty cool if that's a character somewhere too
[09:36] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I thought perhaps it was the interesting woman with the mechanical model of outer space and the removable eye from the movie Dark Crystal
[09:37] <JaneW> lol
[09:37] <HedgeMage> (Jim Hensen's first movie, yay muppets!)
[09:37] <JaneW> Muppets are cool
[09:42] <cbx33> prtty kewl that his namse makes up ogra :p
[09:42] <cbx33> I'd get
[09:42] <cbx33> psav
[09:42] <cbx33> that sux
[09:45] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:45] <HedgeMage> I'd get SSTEW  which sounds like some horrible sea ration :P
[10:18] <spacey> i get hbos, and i already use that :p
[10:18] <spacey> on launchpad 
[10:19] <cbx33> excellent
[10:19] <cbx33> it is funny how people come up with their handles
[10:19] <cbx33> I just can't get the hang of this karma business
[10:20] <spacey> you don't want to know how i got up with "spacey"
[10:20] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:20] <spacey> cbx33: its really simple: its not important :P so don't worry about it :)
[10:20] <cbx33> just makes me laugh that's all
[10:20] <cbx33> I've been inactive the past few days and it keeps going up and up 
[10:20] <cbx33> heheh
[12:09] <cbx33> ogra: you around yet bud?
[12:17] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[12:17] <Bluekuja> hey pete
[12:17] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:17] <cbx33> sorry I didn't get round to checking those channels yesterdya, I had to go out
[12:17] <Bluekuja> np man
[12:18] <Bluekuja> you can come when you want
[12:18] <cbx33> didn't even get the changes done for ogra till this morning
[12:18] <cbx33> howz it all going.  I see you're a member of quite a few groups now :d
[12:18] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[12:18] <cbx33> wnat that URL
[12:18] <Bluekuja> lol
[12:18] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/bazaar/ltsp/devel
[12:19] <ogra> yup, i just reloaded :)
[12:19] <ogra> cool
[12:19] <cbx33> ok ogra got a bit of bad news.  I still can't install LTSP
[12:19] <cbx33> i had tried on two machines now
[12:19] <cbx33> both with and without network capability
[12:19] <ogra> i'll do a i386 test ijnstall during the day
[12:19] <cbx33> I don't know what's going wrong but it sure as hell ain't working
[12:20] <cbx33> just tocheck..I'm installing it onto a laptop
[12:20] <cbx33> that shouldn't make a difference should it?
[12:20] <ogra> as i said, i could explain it if you have a more recent daily build than the beta is
[12:20] <ogra> since there are packages missing on the CD
[12:20] <cbx33> I have tried it with 24/04/06
[12:20] <ogra> due to overzizedness
[12:20] <cbx33> I went back to the older ones
[12:21] <cbx33> none of them work. I was trying the beta seeing as I thought it shuld be the most stable of all the recent ones
[12:21] <ogra> ok, a hint
[12:21] <ogra> before you download have a look at this file
[12:21] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[12:21] <ogra> if its empty, everything is ok
[12:21] <cbx33> indeed
[12:22] <cbx33> was it empty on the 20/04/06
[12:22] <ogra> if you see some stuff like alien or lsb thats a very good indicator the iso is oversized
[12:22] <cbx33> if so i want that iso back
[12:22] <ogra> heh
[12:22] <cbx33> i think that's the one i used
[12:23] <ogra> then it also depends if you have a YYYYMMDD iso or a YYYMMDD.1 iso :)
[12:23] <cbx33> ah...me thinks it was a .1
[12:23] <ogra> i think the one we released as beta was at least a .1 if not a .2
[12:23] <ogra> .1 should be fine 
[12:23] <cbx33> do you have it anywhere still?
[12:24] <cbx33> cos it's dissapoeared from the archive
[12:24] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dapper/
[12:24] <ogra> only the recent 3 isos are kept by default
[12:24] <ogra> (from the dailies)
[12:29] <cbx33> are the others deleted?
[12:29] <ogra> yep
[12:29] <cbx33> dog nang it
[12:30] <cbx33> :(
[12:31] <cbx33> ogra: did those LTSP changes come down ok?
[12:31] <ogra> i have some other stuff to do currently, but will look at them during the next hour
[12:31] <cbx33> sorry ogra not meaning to be nagging
[12:31] <ogra> nah, its fine
[12:31] <cbx33> sorry ogra not meaning to be nagging
[12:32] <cbx33> sorry ogra not meaning to be a nag
[12:32] <ogra> i'm just out of diskspace on this machine and need to free up some space 
[12:32] <ogra> :)
[12:41] <cbx33> phew - it's hot in this office today
[12:41] <cbx33> well i say office...did i mention i work in an ex-toilet :p
[12:41] <ogra> heh
[12:43] <cbx33> the total opening window area is less than .5m square
[12:48] <Sergi0> hi, what ltsp version does dapper/edubuntu comes with? how hard is it to upgrade to 4.2?
[12:49] <ogra> Sergi0, ubuntu-ltsp
[12:49] <ogra> its newer than 4.2
[12:50] <Sergi0> ah, great :D damn u are good!
[12:52] <ogra> but we lack local device support out of the box ...
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra: will that be in eft?
[12:52] <ogra> the rest is similar bt different :)
[12:52] <cbx33> is there a howto on setting up that?
[12:52] <ogra> i.e. we use the so called muecow implementation which only uses distro packaages
[12:52] <ogra> cbx33, not yet
[12:52] <cbx33> will there be?
[12:52] <cbx33> :p
[12:52] <ogra> i still have to update the packages for it
[12:53] <cbx33> I'd write it....if I had a working LTSP server :(
[12:53] <ogra> probably after release, i'm not sure i have the time before
[12:53] <cbx33> yeh sure np
[12:53] <ogra> cbx33, i'm working on 41088, relasx 
[12:53] <Sergi0> oh, i looked at the new features in 4.2 and the local support is improved
[12:53] <ogra> :)
[12:53] <ogra> Sergi0, yep
[12:53] <cbx33> ooooh.....sorry ogra not bugging...just extremely keen
[12:54] <ogra> but i dont agree with the implementation at all, our local device support will be integrated differently
[12:55] <Sergi0> brb
[12:55] <ogra> (i.e. jim and scott reinvented the wheel with lbus for notifications, while we already have dbus running in every ubuntu, the clen implementation is to use the existing parts and enhance them)
[12:55] <ogra> but that takes a bit longer
[12:55] <cbx33> nice
[12:55] <cbx33> I'm impressed ogra 
[12:55] <ogra> its on my list for edgy eft :)
[12:56] <cbx33> w00t
[12:56] <Sergi0> :)
[12:56] <ogra> the ltspfs and ltspfsd are nivce programs we'll already have in universe for dapper, just integrating them is up to the user 
[12:56] <ogra> (thats where we'll need documentation)
[12:57] <cbx33> I'll help out there if I can
[12:58] <ogra> that would be very good, since thats the area i cant put much time in 
[12:58] <cbx33> ogra: well, I definitely will work on that area then
[01:01] <spacey> ogra: did you look at ltsp localapps? *brrr* :)
[01:01] <ogra> spacey, not yet
[01:01] <spacey> ogra: please don't implement that in their way :P
[01:02] <spacey> it makes you feel secure with windows
[01:02] <ogra> you mean with an ssh server on every client ? 
[01:03] <ogra> cbx33, seems our apt maintainer thinks you dont have gpg on your iso ...
[01:03] <ogra> (41088)
[01:03] <cbx33> oh?
[01:04] <cbx33> is there a new comment?
[01:04] <spacey> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42?topic=LocalApps :)
[01:04] <ogra> cbx33, nope i'm discussing it with him
[01:04] <spacey> In your /etc/exports file, make sure you have an entry that looks like this:
[01:04] <cbx33> ah
[01:04] <spacey>  /home    192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,root_squash,async)
[01:04] <cbx33> ok, sounds good
[01:04] <spacey> :o
[01:04] <cbx33> would that affect from the CD too
[01:04] <cbx33> ie with no network connectivity?
[01:04] <spacey> *BRRR*
[01:04] <ogra> spacey, hah
[01:05] <cbx33> thanks btw ogra
[01:05] <spacey> ogra: thats simply horrible
[01:05] <ogra> cbx33, the ltsp-client-builder *exclusively* uses the CD, no matter if networked or not
[01:05] <ogra> spacey, yep
[01:05] <cbx33> ah right ok
[01:06] <ogra> but you are the only person which sees it until now
[01:06] <ogra> thats whats bugging me
[01:06] <cbx33> I hope I'm not doing anyting stupid
[01:07] <ogra> i doubt that :)
[01:08] <cbx33> do you think it's the start-stop-daemon package that's causing it?
[01:09] <ogra> nope
[01:09] <ogra> thats no package
[01:09] <cbx33> oh....
[01:09] <ogra> make_dummy_start_stop_daemon() {
[01:09] <ogra>     cat > $ROOT/sbin/start-stop-daemon.dummy <<EOF
[01:09] <ogra> #!/bin/sh
[01:09] <ogra> echo 1>&2
[01:09] <ogra> echo 'Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing.' 1>&2
[01:09] <cbx33> well the pacakge that contains it?
[01:09] <ogra> exit 0
[01:09] <ogra> EOF
[01:09] <cbx33> ahh
[01:09] <ogra> there is no package :)
[01:09] <ogra> only that code snippet 
[01:09] <cbx33> i see
[01:09] <ogra> and this
[01:10] <ogra> remove_dummy_start_stop_daemon() {
[01:10] <ogra>     rm $ROOT/sbin/start-stop-daemon
[01:10] <ogra>     chroot $ROOT dpkg-divert --remove --local --rename /sbin/start-stop-daemon
[01:10] <ogra> }
[01:10] <ogra> (and some copying of the .dummy file)
[01:10] <ogra> its definately an apt error 
[01:11] <cbx33> right
[01:12] <cbx33> I'm going to try installing it on my virtual machine now
[01:46] <ogra> cbx33, can you try on console #2 in the installer if gpgv is installed an executable ?
[01:46] <ogra> i think thats our prob
[01:48] <ogra> s/an/and/
[02:12] <cbx33> ok
[02:12] <cbx33> just trying now
[02:13] <cbx33> ogra: does it install the ltsp chroot before the rest of the system?
[02:13] <cbx33> console 3 is for ltsp install no?
[02:17] <cbx33> w00t - just finished recording the first section for youth lug radio
[02:17] <cbx33> ogra: we got to interview you edubuntu guys soon :p
[02:17] <ogra> heh :)
[02:17] <ogra> console 3 is the ltsp install, right 
[02:18] <cbx33> ok
[02:18] <cbx33> well then this install is working fine on the vm machine
[02:18] <cbx33> it's b0rked on 2 laptops
[02:18] <cbx33> ones a dell latitude d600
[02:18] <ogra> same iso ?#
[02:18] <cbx33> the other is a toshiba
[02:18] <cbx33> yes
[02:18] <cbx33> both from the CD that I burnt
[02:19] <cbx33> and I'm using that CD with the vmware machine
[02:19] <ogra> and you always had the gpgv error with apt ? 
[02:19] <cbx33> not an ISO the actual cd
[02:19] <cbx33> yes on the two laptops
[02:19] <ogra> thats horribly strange
[02:19] <cbx33> yes...
[02:19] <ogra> can you tell me whats in .disk/info ? 
[02:19] <cbx33> on which machine?
[02:20] <cbx33> the one that's installing?
[02:20] <ogra> from the iso/CD 
[02:20] <cbx33> ok
[02:20] <cbx33> hang on
[02:20] <ogra> its in the root dir of each CD/iso
[02:21] <cbx33> Beta i386 (20060420)
[02:21] <ogra> hm, k
[02:21] <cbx33> that ok?
[02:22] <cbx33> what you were expectng?
[02:22] <ogra> Beta i386 (20060420)
[02:22] <ogra> :)
[02:22] <cbx33> heh
[02:23] <cbx33> what would be loaded differently?
[02:23] <cbx33> pcmcia?
[02:23] <cbx33> could that be b0rking something?
[02:23] <ogra> nope
[02:24] <cbx33> swat I thought
[02:24] <cbx33> but it seems to be laptop related
[02:24] <cbx33> unless you have installed in on a laptop
[02:24] <ogra> i test on a laptop over here 
[02:24] <ogra> (all arches)
[02:24] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:24] <cbx33> these aren't particularly old
[02:24] <ogra> (or rather on two laptops)
[02:24] <cbx33> d600 - isn't that old
[02:24] <ogra> meine either
[02:24] <ogra> *mine
[02:25] <cbx33> slip of the tongue eh?
[02:25] <cbx33> :p
[02:25] <cbx33> hmmm this is very strange
[02:25] <lucasvo> it's german
[02:25] <cbx33> lucasvo: I know
[02:25] <cbx33> I did study german at secondary school
[02:25] <lucasvo> ah
[02:25] <cbx33> but have forgotten most of it unfortunately
[02:25] <lucasvo> cbx33: where are you from?
[02:26] <cbx33> Was machst du nach der schule?
[02:26] <cbx33> UK
[02:26] <cbx33> u?
[02:26] <juliux> lucasvo, hi
[02:27] <lucasvo> Ich werde sehr wahrscheinlich studieren
[02:27] <lucasvo> CH
[02:27] <lucasvo> juliux: hi
[02:27] <cbx33> heh
[02:27] <cbx33> Ich mache meine Hausafgaben
[02:27] <juliux> cbx33, lucasvo there is a extra channel for german ;)
[02:27] <cbx33> juliux: I don;t think I'm up for that yet
[02:27] <ogra> juliux, and ? 
[02:27] <cbx33> or...well...ever really
[02:28] <ogra> juliux, we even have french days in #ubuntu-motu from time to time :)
[02:28] <lucasvo> juk
[02:28] <lucasvo> french
[02:28] <cbx33> ogra: it's gone through fine here on the VM - just configured xorg
[02:28] <ogra> great
[02:29] <cbx33> ogra: but not on those two laptops
[02:30] <ogra> can you run through an install on one of them and let it finish, so we have the complete logs ? 
[02:31] <cbx33> ogra: do you mean skip the ltsp step when it bombs out?
[02:31] <ogra> yep
[02:31] <ogra> it will drop you to the installer menu, just pick the next step after "build ltsp environment"
[02:31] <cbx33> any particular settings for the remainder of the steps
[02:31] <ogra> nope
[02:31] <ogra> just jump over the failing step 
[02:32] <cbx33> ok, you'll have to let this VM ware machine finish
[02:32] <ogra> i want the installer logs of the base install that happens before
[02:32] <cbx33> hmmm....I could suspend the VM take out the CD, then resume it later :p
[02:32] <ogra> i suspect the lappies cant read a package or something, that silently fails ... and makes gpgv bomb out
[02:32] <cbx33> yes
[02:33] <cbx33> me thinking that too
[02:33] <ogra> also my comment onn rthe bug was silly
[02:33] <ogra> indeed you need to do: chroot /target gpgv
[02:33] <ogra> to check if its working
[02:33] <xwind__> hi people.
[02:33] <cbx33> ok
[02:34] <cbx33> running the install now
[02:34] <ogra> and i suspect the installers gpg is installed, but the one in /target is missing (by whatever install error that happens before)
[02:34] <ogra> hi xwind__ 
[02:34] <cbx33> ok
[02:35] <xwind__> hello ogra. A bit smoother this time with Dapper 6.06.
[02:35] <ogra> :)
[02:35] <xwind__> although, i am puzzled why the user/group administration menu disappeared after adding another user.
[02:36] <xwind__> was that expected?
[02:36] <cbx33> xwind__: filed a bug?
[02:36] <ogra> for that user oor for the user you added the other one with ? 
[02:36] <ogra> new users are not in the admin group by default 
[02:36] <xwind__> my first acct i used to have access to it.
[02:36] <ogra> menu items that require this group are hidden from users that dont belong to it in dapper
[02:37] <xwind__> my first acct is a sudoer so maybe i can fiddle something to have it appear again?
[02:37] <ogra> yes, a bug against gnome-system-tools would be a good start
[02:37] <xwind__> so is this thing a bug?
[02:38] <ogra> might be
[02:38] <ogra> let the g-s-t maintainer check ;)
[02:38] <xwind__> ok. 
[02:39] <xwind__> but, which group has access rights to the user admin menu? am thinking of just adding my username to it.
[02:42] <lucasvo> ogra: is s-c-p going to be in eft?
[02:44] <ogra> its already in dapper
[02:45] <ogra> if its in the default install in eft is a question of being finished ...
[02:45] <ogra> if someone works on it and its stable i'll happily include it ...
[02:45] <ogra> i doubt i'll have the time to work on it
[02:46] <pygi> lucasvo: please remind me what s-c-p is?
[02:48] <lucasvo> student-control-panel
[02:48] <pygi> o, nice
[02:48] <pygi> python?
[02:49] <lucasvo> yes
[02:49] <lucasvo> sudo apt-get install student-control-panel
[02:49] <ogra> here is the bazaar archive:
[02:49] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/student-control-panel-0.1/
[02:49] <ogra> in case someone wants to work on it
[02:52] <cbx33> ogra: did ya get a chance to look at those changes yet?
[02:53] <ogra> ah, sorry, not yet
[02:53] <cbx33> ogra: ok it's skipped the step and is now installing
[02:53] <cbx33> np
[02:54] <cbx33> does it normally do the select and install procedure....????
[02:54] <cbx33> it's taking ages :p
[02:56] <ogra> yep
[03:01] <cbx33> do you get your people.ubuntu.com address when you become an ubuntu developer? just outta interest?
[03:01] <ogra> yep
[03:01] <cbx33> oh..and is the ubuntu CC meeting organised yet?
[03:01] <ogra> (yep for paied developers fwiw)
[03:08] <cbx33> so ogra how did you get your "paid" job :p
[03:09] <ogra> luck ? 
[03:09] <cbx33> heheh
[03:09] <cbx33> very so.....
[03:09] <ogra> or because i'm so nice looking ...
[03:09] <cbx33> I wish I could do something a little more worth while
[03:09] <cbx33> oh..yes....you're so handsome ogra :p
[03:09] <JaneW> lol
[03:10] <ogra> no, honestly, i just helped as much as i could, got sponsoring for creating the hwdb-client and was hired at the conference
[03:10] <cbx33> "i'm toooo younggg foooor that kind of thiiiiinng
[03:10] <JaneW> ogra: which conf?
[03:10] <ogra> udud
[03:10] <ogra> udu
[03:10] <JaneW> oic, I never knew that
[03:10] <JaneW> thought you were around before then
[03:10] <ogra> for mataro i paied myself and learned to know everybody
[03:11] <cbx33> ogra: was foged at a conf
[03:11] <cbx33> forged
[03:11] <ogra> between mataro and udu i developed hwdb-client and the lockscreen patch 
[03:11] <ogra> that was what got me involved ...
[03:12] <ogra> after that i started leading the MOTU until dholbach took over
[03:12] <ogra> its all about involvement ... and patiency 
[03:12] <cbx33> oh yeh...i wasn't looking for getting paid
[03:14] <xwind__> sorry to insert, i just did adduser and i got "Only one or two names allowed." I already have 2 users. BUT, is this normal? Can somebody point me to an explanation why only 2 users are allowed?
[03:14] <ogra> huh ? 
[03:14] <ogra> thats rather an error from the command ... 
[03:14] <ogra> are you sure you used it right ? 
[03:14] <xwind__> sudo adduser
[03:15] <ogra> and what user do you ant to add ? 
[03:15] <xwind__> ops!
[03:15] <ogra> :)
[03:15] <xwind__> :)
[03:15] <xwind__> i just tested adduser ogra
[03:15] <xwind__> and it worked!
[03:16] <xwind__> ha ha ha
[03:16] <ogra> also i'm not sure it creates the home dir, chack that 
[03:16] <xwind__> it's afraid of u.
[03:16] <ogra> *check
[03:17] <bimberi> it should
[03:17] <xwind__> it did create the home dir
[03:18] <ogra> bimberi, one of them doesnt by default, i'm just not sure if its useradd or adduser (i rarely use either)
[03:18] <bimberi> ogra: yes i use the gui tools these days :)
[03:18] <bimberi> paid ubuntu developer == mdz's slave doesn't it?
[03:18] <bimberi> :P
[03:19] <bimberi> (no need to answer that)
[03:19] <cbx33> but it's too difficult in my current job
[03:19] <bimberi> !motu
[03:19] <ubotu> I guess motu is the Masters of the Universe ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU )
[03:19] <cbx33> don't get the opportunity
[03:20] <ogra> bimberi, mdz is one of the best bosses i ever had 
[03:20] <cbx33> and i don't have a lot of time outside of work.....though I do get some
[03:20] <ogra> if not *the* best
[03:20] <cbx33> my boss at the moment is fantastic
[03:21] <bimberi> ogra: glad to hear it
[03:21] <cbx33> but everyone keeps telling me I'm wasted here
[03:21] <ogra> bimberi, glad i can say that :) 
[03:21] <ogra> i even had bosses that have beaten me up in my life :)
[03:21] <cbx33> i need to get a new job at some point
[03:22] <bimberi> ogra: well they mustn't have known what they had then
[03:23] <cbx33> and how handsome you are :p
[03:23] <ogra> he was just irascible and i had missed to manually enter 3 mail adresses from the 5000 i had to add manually that day
[03:24] <cbx33> :S
[03:24] <ogra> sadly one of them was important enought for the customer to call my boss ... 
[03:24] <cbx33> oh dear
[03:24] <cbx33> ogra: this install seems to be taking forever :p
[03:24] <ogra> he got in a rage ... smashed me ... i deleted the 5000 mailadresses, packed my bag and went home 
[03:25] <cbx33> ogra: you're kidding?
[03:25] <ogra> nope
[03:25] <cbx33> that's horrific
[03:25] <xwind__> gud on u.
[03:25] <ogra> thats how it goes sometimes
[03:25] <bimberi> yes, 'horiffic' is just the word...
[03:25] <xwind__> but perhaps, u could just have encrypted it.
[03:25] <bimberi> *horrific*
[03:26] <cbx33> ogra: no one should have to put up with that
[03:26] <ogra> i had worse stuff happening ... thats not the worst :)
[03:26] <xwind__> and hold them up for ransom.
[03:26] <cbx33> well at least you are happy in your work now
[03:27] <bimberi> we hope :)
[03:27] <cbx33> it doesn't make up for what happened
[03:27] <ogra> i am :)
[03:27] <xwind__> oh boy, i feel so glad that i don't have a boss.
[03:27] <ogra> haha
[03:27] <cbx33> and a very good one too
[03:27] <ogra> not at all :)
[03:27] <cbx33> a mentor as well :p
[03:27] <ogra> thats true 
[03:28] <xwind__> we all have our own specialties.
[03:28] <cbx33> nah serious thanx ogra for all your help....I'm learning so much
[03:28] <cbx33> I really appreciate it
[03:28] <xwind__> me too
[03:29] <xwind__> just a parting question before i deploy my app 2moro. Is 64MB still the minimum RAM requirement for LTSP - Edubuntu?
[03:29] <ogra> everybody i teach something gains knowledge he gives back to edubuntu ;) its totally selfish :)
[03:30] <cbx33> eheheh
[03:30] <ogra> xwind__, yes
[03:30] <ogra> you can set up an nbd server (untested) to get it down to less with network swapping
[03:30] <cbx33> well, I'm hoping to get more knowldge in the whole packaging area soon
[03:30] <bimberi> especially when it's done in here - others observe - as I have with ogra <-> cbx33 in recent times 
[03:30] <cbx33> ah the silent leaner :p
[03:31] <cbx33> learner :p
[03:31] <ogra> :)
[03:31] <cbx33> it' still installing ogra 
[03:31] <cbx33> i would have thought it would have been done by now
[03:31] <bimberi> oh no - nothing sinks in :P
[03:31] <xwind__> Got to leave u now, have to put my kids to bed. Thanks again.
[03:31] <cbx33> bye xwind__ 
[03:32] <xwind__> bye all. bye ogra.
[03:32] <ogra> ciao xwind__ 
[03:32] <ogra> cbx33, a normal install on my slowest CD rom here takes 1.5h
[03:32] <cbx33> ah
[03:33] <ogra> on my fastest its done in 45min up to 1h
[03:33] <cbx33> heheh
[03:33] <cbx33> kk
[03:35] <jono> hi all
[03:35] <jono> can someone do me a favour? I need a screenshot of the default desktop for the official ubuntu book
[03:35] <bimberi> hi jono
[03:35] <jono> hi bimberi
[03:36] <jono> could you mail me a screenshot?
[03:36] <ogra> jono, we dont have the final wallpaper yet
[03:36] <cbx33> indeed we don't
[03:36] <cbx33> a source of great debate
[03:36] <bimberi> i could
[03:36] <jono> thats fine, I just need a screenshot of the desktop that is installed at the moment
[03:36] <ogra> you can only get a shot from breezy ... but dapper might look totally different
[03:36] <ogra> ok
[03:37] <ogra> jono, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/
[03:37] <ogra> i keep them during development there, if we have new stuff i'll update them
[03:38] <jono> which one do you recommend I use?
[03:38] <bimberi> the one with "ogra - File Browser" minimised at the bottom :P
[03:39] <ogra> jono, Screenshot3.png  
[03:39] <ogra> it shows the website as well (even its also the old one)
[03:39] <cbx33> ogra: is that on a widescreen?
[03:39] <ogra> oh, yes, damned
[03:39] <ogra> jono, does that work for you ? 
[03:39] <cbx33> didn't know if that was a problem
[03:39] <ogra> (widescreen i mean)
[03:40] <ogra> cbx33, me neither, but jono will ;)
[03:40] <cbx33> heheh
[03:40] <jono> thanks ogra :)
[03:40] <ogra> but as i said, it might change fundamentally
[03:41] <ogra> i have a heavy discusiion with silbs currently
[03:41] <ogra> (she wants it all chalkboary which looks like win95 in the end, i want to stick to our colors)
[03:42] <jono> thanks :)
[03:42] <ogra> so we might get a green one for final ;)
[03:43] <cbx33> I hope not
[03:43] <cbx33> I love our colours/theme
[03:43] <ogra> me too
[03:43] <cbx33> that would make it look......more...primary schooly
[03:44] <cbx33> I think it's great the way it is
[03:44] <cbx33> who gets the final word?
[03:44] <cbx33> there shuld be a petition
[03:44] <cbx33> :p
[03:45] <ogra> i guess mark and silbs :)
[03:45] <ogra> JaneW, and i can only veto ... 
[03:45] <cbx33> well....veto from me too :p
[03:45] <bimberi> i like the chalkboard but haven't actually used it
[03:45] <ogra> i try to carry the community opinion over to her ...
[03:46] <ogra> bimberi, use it for one day in the current edubuntu artwork ...
[03:46] <ogra> it doesnt match our icons, it doesnt match the widget or windowframe colors
[03:46] <bimberi> ok
[03:46] <JaneW> yes there's not much we can do alone, but can convey the community climate 
[03:46] <ogra> oh, and in fact its not public yet
[03:47] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperTheme/JonathanCarter/chalk
[03:47] <bimberi> yes i do like the Gartoon icons
[03:47] <ogra> but its similar to that oine
[03:47] <ogra> ( a bit brighter)
[03:47] <bimberi> i found is something like http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=29050
[03:47] <cbx33> the only one that confuses me iwth firefox icon
[03:47] <ogra> yep thats derived from jonathans
[03:48] <cbx33> looks too much like the gimp icon
[03:49] <cbx33> ok ogra what info did you want from that laptop
[03:49] <cbx33> it's gone through and installed
[03:49] <ogra> all thats in /var/log/installer after the install
[03:49] <cbx33> ok
[03:53] <cbx33> ogra: shall I upload it to launchpad?
[03:54] <ogra> either attach it to the bug or mail it to me (ogra@ubuntu.com)
[03:55] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/41088
[03:55] <cbx33> done
[03:56] <ogra> thanks
[03:56] <cbx33> np
[03:57] <ogra> will take some time to inspect
[03:57] <cbx33> of course I'm only bringing it to you guyses attention
[03:57] <cbx33> it's up to you how you deal with it :p
[04:02] <cbx33> ok ogra this is just an observation
[04:03] <cbx33> but the installation on the laptop took way too long
[04:03] <cbx33> I'm watching it install now....and it's speeding by......seriously speeding on the vm......when it was doing it on the laptop...completely dedicated machien it took bloody ages
[04:03] <ogra> yep, might be that it has acpi issues and DMA isnt enabled or something
[04:04] <cbx33> could be possibly....thought I'd just make you aware
[04:04] <cbx33> sorry
[04:10] <ogra> cbx33, WOAH
[04:10] <ogra> did you ever have a look in your syslog in the zipped file ? 
[04:14] <ogra> cbx33, would you mind doing another install, but adjust your BIOS clock before ?
[04:14] <ogra> i'm pretty sure that will solve it ;)
[04:14] <ogra> your laptop thinks its Jul 10th :)
[04:18] <jono> ogra: can you do me another favour?
[04:18] <ogra> sure
[04:18] <jono> ogra: I need a few more screenshots for the chapter
[04:18] <ogra> ok
[04:18] <jono> I need a shot of the desktop with a bunch of games open
[04:19] <jono> the educational cames and applications
[04:19] <jono> oh no
[04:19] <jono> hang on
[04:19] <jono> sorry, got it wrong
[04:19] <ogra> i guess that wont suffice http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=621&slide=1
[04:19] <jono> could you take a screenshot of gcompris and another screenshot of kstars
[04:19] <pygi> highvoltage: hi hi
[04:19] <highvoltage> hi pygi 
[04:20] <highvoltage> hi ogra and jono 
[04:20] <Bluekuja> good afternoon highvoltage ;)
[04:20] <highvoltage> and Bluekuja :)
[04:20] <Bluekuja> how are you ?
[04:20] <Bluekuja> all ok?
[04:21] <highvoltage> kind of :)
[04:21] <ogra> jono, i think highvoltage already has a set of shots ...
[04:21] <ogra> highvoltage, ?
[04:21] <highvoltage> ogra: gcompris shots?
[04:22] <highvoltage> oh, and kstars
[04:22] <highvoltage> i could take some.
[04:22] <highvoltage> jono: there are some gcompris shots on http://www.edubuntu.org/tour.html
[04:23] <highvoltage> jono: any specific kstars shots you'd like?
[04:23] <lucasvo> jono: what screenshots do you need?
[04:23] <lucasvo> I could do theme
[04:24] <jono> lucasvo: cool
[04:24] <jono> I just needs some screenshots of the gcompris and kstars applications (just the apps, not the entire desktop)
[04:25] <ogra> (just make sure to use the current theme for it ;) )
[04:25] <jono> ogra: was the screenshot you gave me first, the current theme?
[04:25] <ogra> yep
[04:26] <ogra> the current dapper theme  
[04:28] <highvoltage> jono: here's one: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/kstars.png
[04:28] <lucasvo> highvoltage: oh, you are doing them
[04:29] <lucasvo> I'll upload mine as well
[04:29] <jono> thanks
[04:29] <highvoltage> how many do you need? i don't know kstars very well, i could give you more similar ones though
[04:29] <ogra> lucasvo, highvoltage usually has them on disk :)
[04:29] <highvoltage> lucasvo: yeah, do that. it will give him more choice
[04:30] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/ablage/screenshots/
[04:32] <jono> can someone do a gcompris one?
[04:34] <lucasvo> jono: I just uploaded 3 of them
[04:35] <lucasvo> jono: same url
[04:35] <jono> thanks :)
[04:37] <lucasvo> jono: I uploaded 2 more
[04:39] <jono> thats fine :)
[04:39] <lucasvo> jono: do you need any other screenshots?
[04:48] <lucasvo> jono: can you tell me, when I can delete them again?
[04:49] <jono> lucasvo: nope, good thanks :)
[04:50] <jono> thanks folks :)
[04:54] <cbx33> ogra: I'm so sorry,,,,,,I shuld have checked that first
[04:55] <ogra> cbx33, noo
[04:55] <ogra> you showed us an evil buig 
[04:55] <ogra> *bug
[04:55] <ogra> the installer should cope with that, even if we cant avoid the slowness
[04:55] <cbx33> heheh
[04:56] <cbx33> I'll try that later on tonight if that's ok
[04:56] <cbx33> just about to go home :p
[04:57] <ogra> yep, sure
[04:57] <cbx33> actually would tomorrow be ok? - I'm not going to be able to carry another laptop home tonight
[04:57] <cbx33> I'll start it installing first thing
[04:57] <cbx33> it'll be ready for when you arrive
[05:01] <cbx33> were those ltsp changes ok?
[05:01] <cbx33> gtg...see you all later
[06:55] <cbx33> ogra: it works :P
[06:55] <cbx33> :p
[06:55] <pygi> cbx33: congrats
[06:55] <cbx33> it was the time issue
[06:55] <cbx33> I'm on the new edubuntu LTSP server as we speak
[06:55] <cbx33> bbl
[06:55] <ogra> cool
[06:55] <ogra> i'd like to ask you to try another install later with the wrong clock again 
[06:56] <ogra> (if i uploaded the fix)
[06:56] <lucasvo> ogra: install with an old clock is horrible
[06:56] <ogra> yep
[06:56] <ogra> but shouldnt break
[06:57] <ogra> in fact we had a future clock, not one in the past
[06:57] <ogra> (but that doesnt matter)
[06:57] <lucasvo> where?
[06:57] <ogra> inb the bug
[06:57] <lucasvo> ah
[07:29] <cbx33> hi ogra yeh I can try that tomorrow
[07:29] <cbx33> oh the other thing I wanted to ask you
[07:29] <cbx33> well anyone relaly
[07:29] <cbx33> on ubuntu when it boots up
[07:30] <cbx33> if it can't detect a network connection it waits for one
[07:30] <cbx33> now you can hit ctrl+c to quit ethat script 
[07:30] <cbx33> is this anydifferent in dapper?
[07:31] <cbx33> evenin LaserJock
[07:32] <cbx33> ogra: does that bug affect upstream?
[07:33] <ogra> which one, which upstream ? 
[07:33] <cbx33> the clock bug - ubuntu
[07:33] <ogra> we are upstream 
[07:33] <cbx33> argh again
[07:33] <ogra> at least for ltsp :)
[07:33] <cbx33> i always get that wrong
[07:33] <cbx33> hehe
[07:33] <cbx33> ah i see
[07:33] <cbx33> ok np
[07:35] <cbx33> ogra: is what I described with the network the desired action?
[07:35] <ogra> nope, it shouldnt happen in dapper anymore 
[07:36] <cbx33> excellent
[07:36] <cbx33> got another bug
[07:36] <ogra> and in breezy it timed out after some time
[07:36] <cbx33> well not a real one
[07:36] <cbx33> when i load firefox the default page is missing
[07:36] <cbx33> using the GB locale
[07:36] <cbx33> Firefox can't find the file at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-en_GB.html.
[07:37] <cbx33> don;t know if that's supposed to be missing or not
[07:37] <ogra> its broken currently ...
[07:37] <ogra> #my bug
[07:37] <cbx33> np
[07:37] <cbx33> just checking in boss
[07:43] <cbx33> is this a bug, I just registered a team, but was unnable to use my email address as the contact email address, saying that it was already taken
[07:43] <ogra> which it probably is :)
[07:44] <cbx33> well i didn't understand what they meant by that
[07:44] <cbx33> i want all team mails to go to me
[07:44] <cbx33> at the moment
[07:44] <cbx33> but I couldn;t do that
[07:45] <ogra> they will anyway, sicne you are the owner of the team
[07:45] <cbx33> ok
[07:45] <ogra> the address is the address *i* use if i want to mail the whole team
[07:46] <ogra> so just be creative and invent a new address for it ;)
[07:46] <cbx33> oh I see
[07:46] <cbx33> I think I can handle that ogra thank you very much :p
[07:46] <ogra> :)
[07:46] <cbx33> my mind isn't that dull just yet :p
[07:50] <cbx33> is launchpad and ubuntu.com down?
[07:50] <cbx33> I can;t get to either
[07:57] <ogra> i can reach https://launchpad.net/products/ltsp flawless
[07:57] <cbx33> i can now
[07:58] <cbx33> how were those changes ogra?
[07:58] <ogra> i only took a first glance, but they seem fine 
[07:59] <cbx33> :D
[07:59] <ogra> will inspect them a bit deeper later today ...
[07:59] <cbx33> ogra: anything else you need help with at the mo?
[07:59] <ogra> in any case your bzr branch works fine now :)
[07:59] <ogra> if you like you can register it on https://launchpad.net/products/ltsp
[07:59] <cbx33> yeh....the push doesn't work
[08:00] <cbx33> I had to tar and copy the entire thing up there to get it to work
[08:00] <ogra> oh ? 
[08:00] <cbx33> push doesn't update the working copy
[08:00] <cbx33> it even warned me
[08:00] <cbx33> plus it was a darn sight quicker
[08:00] <ogra> thats ok
[08:00] <ogra> it still does update the source
[08:00] <ogra> (its only a warning not an error)
[08:01] <cbx33> well let's put it this way...it didn;t create the source
[08:01] <cbx33> thought it may update it once it's there
[08:02] <cbx33> what's the status of my branch :p
[08:02] <cbx33> experimental :p
[08:05] <cbx33> think I found another bug in launchpad
[08:05] <cbx33> cbx33 branch - is apparently not a valid branch name
[08:06] <ogra> no spaces 
[08:06] <cbx33> Invalid name 'cbx33 branch'. Names must start with a letter or number and be lowercase. The characters +, - and . are also allowed after the first character.
[08:06] <cbx33> really?
[08:06] <ogra> use a -
[08:07] <cbx33> ok
[08:07] <cbx33> it should say that in the error message :p
[08:07] <cbx33> i suppose it does in a way
[08:07] <ogra> letters, numbers, +, - and .
[08:08] <ogra> thats what it says :)
[08:08] <cbx33> yeh yeh 
[08:09] <cbx33> I'll be able to test the new install tomorrow if you want
[08:09] <lucasvo> cbx33: what changes did you do to ltsp
[08:09] <lucasvo> `?
[08:09] <cbx33> added man pages
[08:09] <lucasvo> ah
[08:10] <cbx33> nothing exciting
[08:13] <cbx33> ogra: got a sec to talk about packaging?
[08:15] <cbx33> eeeek
[08:15] <cbx33> gotta dash for a while
[08:15] <cbx33> back later
[08:27] <lucasvo> which daily-live of edubuntu is good?
[08:27] <lucasvo> from the last 4 days?
[08:27] <ogra> the beta
[08:27] <ogra> no guarantees for any daily since that 
[08:28] <ogra> (in fact i'm sure the install CD is completely broken...
[08:28] <ogra> )
[08:28] <ogra> so the live is likely broken as well
[08:28] <lucasvo> in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/ there is only flight 6
[08:28] <ogra> topic ...
[08:43] <eniac_petrov> In thursday - 4 may in 1.02 and 3 seconds AM, the date will appears thus: 01:02:03:04:05:06
[08:46] <eniac_petrov> This phenomenom across only between 100 years
[08:56] <spacey> its not really a normal way to indicate time like that
[09:02] <eniac_petrov> why?
[09:02] <eniac_petrov> sorry
[09:02] <eniac_petrov> error
[09:03] <eniac_petrov> no, it's for here. sorry, I have opened many channels
[09:03] <eniac_petrov> why?
[09:04] <lucasvo> why what?
[09:05] <spacey> i don't think you combine hh:mm:ss and dd-mm-yy like that it are two different sequences :P you can make many combinations if you just try to fit everything together
[09:05] <spacey> we'll i wouldn't be suprised if it would pop up on slashdot :P
[09:06] <lucasvo> eniac_petrov: go on and submit it :)
[09:07] <eniac_petrov> you are right...
[09:10] <highvoltage> goodnight, edubuntero's :)
[09:10] <cbx33> nn highvoltage 
[09:11] <cbx33> ooh wait
[09:11] <cbx33> you still there?
[09:11] <cbx33> pm
[09:11] <highvoltage> k
[09:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: are you identified, haven't received a pm yet.
[09:31] <cbx33> Bluekuja, you there?
[09:54] <eniac_petrov> Bye all, in my country now is night...
[10:40] <lucasvo> is ltsp with ndiswrapper working?
[10:40] <ogra> server sided should be possible 
[10:40] <ogra> but ahy use ndiswrapper ? 
[10:40] <ogra> *why
[10:41] <cbx33> ogra, what docs did i say i was gonna work on?
[10:41] <cbx33> :p
[10:41] <cbx33> is there an agenda for the meeting tomorrow?
[10:42] <ogra> we have a static agenda
[10:42] <lucasvo> a friend has an old notebook with usb wlan stick
[10:42] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:42] <cbx33> Ihave something to add:p
[10:42] <cbx33> I'll bring it up in AOB
[10:42] <ogra> lucasvo, and the broadcom driver in dapper doesnt work ? 
[10:42] <lucasvo> ogra: it's a different notebook
[10:42] <lucasvo> this one is NEW
[10:42] <lucasvo> the other one old
[10:43] <lucasvo> so no NIC
[10:51] <lucasvo> can I put packages from unniverse onto an install cd with jigdo?
[10:52] <ogra> nope
[10:52] <ogra> but onto a jigdo CD :)
[10:52] <ogra> (read that as add-on CD iirc there are no installer bits on jigdo CDs)
[10:53] <lucasvo> I can't follow
[10:53] <cbx33> qwhat's jigdo
[10:54] <lucasvo> is there a possibility to burn a ubuntu install cd with additional packages:ndiswrapper and wpasupplicant +dependencies?
[10:55] <ogra> lucasvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[10:56] <lucasvo> ogra: thanks
[10:58] <cbx33> right I'm of to bed
[10:58] <cbx33> nn guys
[10:59] <lucasvo> goodnight cbx33 
[11:00] <ogra> night cbx33 and thanks for the manpages, i really appreciate that
[11:00] <lucasvo> cbx33: btw, are you a edubuntu member? on LP
[11:01] <cbx33> yes
[11:01] <cbx33> I am
[11:01] <cbx33> no ogra 
[11:01] <cbx33> sorry
[11:01] <cbx33> no problem ogra 
[11:01] <cbx33> sorry no lucasvo I'm not an edubuntu member
[11:01] <cbx33> yet
[11:01] <cbx33> :p
[11:01] <cbx33> hopefully soon
[11:01] <ogra> but you have my advocacy ;)
[11:01] <cbx33> I'm an edubuntu member hopeful
[11:02] <cbx33> wow....that menas a lot...thank you ogra 
[11:02] <cbx33> well when the next opportunity arrises I'll be applying :p
[11:02] <ogra> dont forget to document your edubuntu work on the wiki ;)
[11:03] <cbx33> wiki.edubuntu.com/PeteSavage
[11:04] <ogra> put a link to your bzr archive there as well :)
[11:04] <cbx33> ah yes
[11:04] <cbx33> will do
[11:04] <ogra> sabdfl is very happy if he sees that :) 
[11:04] <ogra> you will win his heart that way ;)
[11:05] <cbx33> excellent
[11:05] <lucasvo> ogra: can companies also get ubuntu members?
[11:06] <ogra> lucasvo, hmm, dunno, but if they follow the process ...
[11:06] <cbx33> any other tips for the iwki
[11:07] <ogra> nope, looks great as is
[11:07] <cbx33> :p
[11:07] <lucasvo> cbx33: I would like to see  a picture :)
[11:07] <ogra> that should rarther be a hackergochi on LP ;)
[11:07] <ogra> *rather
[11:08] <lucasvo> yeah
[11:08] <cbx33> heheh
[11:08] <cbx33> :Lp
[11:08] <lucasvo> cbx33: what's your name on LP?
[11:09] <cbx33> debug-silentkeystroke
[11:09] <cbx33> well silentkeystroke really
[11:09] <cbx33> search for that
[11:10] <ogra> just click the link on the wikipage ? 
[11:10] <lucasvo> ah, I didn't see the link
[11:11] <lucasvo> I have to add my domainhoster lots of karma points, he registered and answered my mails after buisness hours :)
[11:12] <lucasvo> I was quite amazed that he did that
[11:12] <lucasvo> that's VERY unusual for CH people
[11:14] <HedgeMage> Anyone knowledgeable: is there an "official word" on requirements for standalone edubuntu, or should I just borrow the reccommendations from ubuntu ?
[11:15] <ogra> nope, you shouldnt 
[11:15] <ogra> wait a sec
[11:15] <ogra> The default classroom server installation requires at least 2.5GB of disk space, a CPU of at least 1 GHz
[11:15] <ogra> 256 MB of RAM 
[11:15] <ogra> an additional 128 MB of RAM per thin client (e.g., a server driving two clients should have at least 512 MB RAM)
[11:16] <ogra> A standalone Edubuntu workstation requires a CPU of at least 500 MHz, at least 128 MB of RAM, and at least 2.1 GB of disk space.
[11:16] <ogra> thats from the CD cover text ...
[11:16] <lucasvo> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/HardwareRequirements?highlight=%28requirements%29%7C%28edubuntu%29
[11:16] <HedgeMage> thanks ogra 
[11:17] <ogra> lucasvo, i chose them a bit more conservative than in that wikipage
[11:17] <lucasvo> yeah
[11:18] <ogra> i'll also not recommend 40MB clients
[11:18] <ogra> err
[11:18] <ogra> 48MB
[11:18] <ogra> 64MB should be minimum to avoid surprises
[11:19] <lucasvo> asking for RAID, hm, I don't know, let's say not very good advertisement
[11:20] <HedgeMage> ogra: another question, when do we need to be wrapped up by?  I have a total newbie teacher handy and next weekend I was going to run through an install with her to test my instructions... that'll work, right?
[11:21] <ogra> sure
[11:21] <HedgeMage> cool
[11:21] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:21] <ogra> i personally dont feel bound to the doc freezes on the release schedule
[11:21] <ogra> since we dont directly work with the docteam but have our own :)
[11:22] <HedgeMage> also, I've had a couple of folks ask me if/when edubuntu will be available via shipit
[11:22] <ogra> from june 1st on 
[11:22] <ogra> dunno if we accept pre orders 
[11:23] <HedgeMage> spiffy
[11:23] <HedgeMage> I just didn't know if it was this release or next :)
[11:23] <ogra> shipit.edubuntu.org already works though :)
[11:23] <HedgeMage> cool
[11:23] <ogra> since some days
[11:23] <ogra> :)
[11:25] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: I felt like that the first time I ordered... but I only have one CD left... I gave out quite a few to interested people.
[11:26] <ogra> lucasvo, as long as you give them away occasionally thats fine :)
[11:26] <ogra> (thats the purpose of shipit)
[11:27] <HedgeMage> brb my guys want food
[11:27] <cbx33> nn guys
[11:28] <cbx33> again :p
[11:28] <ogra> night cbx33