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| raphink | :'( | 12:17 |
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| raphink | ooimpress can't read kpresenter .odp | 12:18 |
| Lure | raphink: yes, oasis still have to mature... | 12:21 |
| raphink | indeed | 12:22 |
| raphink | it's a shame to have such a format and miss its point like this :( | 12:22 |
| raphink | but well | 12:22 |
| raphink | it'll mature soon enough :) | 12:22 |
| raphink | and in the meanwhile it'll have me use koffice for my talk | 12:22 |
| raphink | go K! | 12:22 |
| kmon | you need to convince riddell to use koffice 1.5.x as default in next release ;) | 12:27 |
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| raphink | kmon: well i'm using it now and I must confess it's far from equaling ooo so far | 12:39 |
| raphink | but it's interesting enough | 12:39 |
| raphink | just not as productive yet | 12:39 |
| kmon | what do you miss? | 12:40 |
| raphink | lots of small things around | 12:40 |
| raphink | right now I can't find how to properly export my presentation to pdf | 12:40 |
| kmon | print it? i'm guessing.... | 12:41 |
| raphink | or I can't save it in microsoft formats, which can be useful sometimes | 12:41 |
| raphink | nope | 12:41 |
| raphink | print doesn't work well either | 12:41 |
| raphink | and it won't even let me print it in landscape | 12:41 |
| kmon | support for ms formats is a pitty | 12:42 |
| kmon | but I've read somewhere the new office formats will be xml based. | 12:43 |
| kmon | so I think that will help a lot | 12:43 |
| raphink | it is xml based | 12:43 |
| raphink | opendocument | 12:43 |
| kmon | in the future of course.... | 12:43 |
| raphink | well so far it doesn't help much | 12:43 |
| raphink | I have created an odp on kpresenter | 12:43 |
| raphink | and can't read it well on ooo | 12:43 |
| kmon | a bug | 12:44 |
| kmon | that's why I was suggesting koffice 1.5.x | 12:44 |
| kmon | anyway... | 12:44 |
| kmon | it won't happen | 12:44 |
| kmon | Maybe with koffice 2 | 12:44 |
| kmon | but I don't see that happening with 1.5 | 12:45 |
| raphink | no | 12:45 |
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| kmon | bye everyone | 12:46 |
| raphink | bye | 12:46 |
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| raphink | silent night | 02:20 |
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| mornfall | can someone close https://launchpad.net/bugs/41230 as a dupe of something i don't know number of? (kdesu not keeping user settings or somesuch) | 08:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41230 in ept adept "Adept does not honor system scheme" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 08:25 |
| mornfall | thanks :) | 08:25 |
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| Tonio_ | hey | 09:54 |
| OdyX | Hey Tonio_ | 09:55 |
| Lure_ | hey | 09:55 |
| === OdyX is translating packaging-guide: 35% - Damn bug. | ||
| OdyX | s/bug/big | 09:55 |
| freeflying | Tonio_: hi | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | is there a known issue with kdeprint, cups and dapper beta ? | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | I'm getting a 401 unauthorized error message | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | I absolutly need to print, since I got watter in my apartment all the night | 09:56 |
| superstoned | raphink, kmon: Koffice 1.5 indeed doesn't support writing to most M$ formats, and they don't intend to waste time on creating export filters. the problem with ooo opening a kpresenter file can be on both sides, oo.o isn't perfect in reading odf yet. | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | I need to print documents for insurances etc....... | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | so if there is a fix I would appreciate | 09:56 |
| superstoned | if print works, you can use it to print documents to pdf. | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | superstoned: I need paper printing ;) | 09:57 |
| superstoned | Tonio_ try to create a root user, seems to help. but printing is a problem, riddell is trying to fix it, afaik. | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | it was working a few days ago.... | 09:58 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I have fixed your WEP problem - can you test package from repo | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: I saw that, thanks much ;) | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | can't test here since I don't have my laptop anymore | 09:59 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: I have another three fixes ready... ;-) | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: hehe | 09:59 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: LPT printer or USB? | 09:59 |
| Lure_ | There was some commit yesterday abour rights (group) that were dropped causign print problems | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | superstoned: so I have to reactivate the root account, and then I should be able to configure cups with localhost:631 ? | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: usb | 10:00 |
| Tonio_ | I tried to configure it with kdesu systemsettings, but that doesn't help | 10:00 |
| Lure_ | check permissions of /dev/ file for your printer - maybe manual change with chmod will help | 10:01 |
| Lure_ | but it my be also cups authorization (and not device file) | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: already tried, but it doesn't........ | 10:02 |
| Lure_ | Tonio_: poke pitti in #ubuntu-devel? | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | Lure_: maybe yes ;) | 10:02 |
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| superstoned | Tonio_: maybe you can have a look at the groups your user is in, see if there is a print group? i can't really help you - i don't know how i got it working, and it only worked for a few days. | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | superstoned: supposed to work | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | superstoned: it apears the problem is linked to kdeprint since gnome-cups-manager works | 10:20 |
| superstoned | Tonio_: yeah, i read some ppl complaining about it. i'm totally not familiair with kdeprint, tough... | 10:21 |
| superstoned | hope it can be fixed for the final release. | 10:21 |
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| OdyX | hey raphink | 10:22 |
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| OdyX | Tonio_: try gnome apps... | 10:28 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: seems bad, but could work... | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | hey raphink | 10:31 |
| raphink | yo Tonio_ | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: works with gnome-cups-manager | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: j'ai t innond cette nuit | 10:31 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: so for insurance papers... | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | fucking merde de crotte | 10:31 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: merde... | 10:31 |
| raphink | argh | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: that's what I'm doing | 10:32 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: on a 10 scale, what are the domages ? | 10:32 |
| raphink | :( | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: no dommages........ for the moment | 10:32 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: fiouh... | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | because I worked on it all the night | 10:33 |
| Lure_ | raphink: just sent you another 3 fixes for knetworkconf... | 10:37 |
| raphink | yes I saw that | 10:37 |
| raphink | Lure_: do you need 3 patches ? | 10:37 |
| raphink | could they be merged in one ? | 10:37 |
| Lure_ | it is on debdiff with three patches as they address different problems | 10:37 |
| raphink | ok | 10:38 |
| raphink | could you be a bit more verbose in the changelog ? | 10:38 |
| Lure_ | I thought this is better as fixes might get accepted upstream also on one-by-one basis | 10:38 |
| raphink | like explain what each patch does | 10:38 |
| Lure_ | I can - I will send you new debdiff in couple of minutes | 10:38 |
| raphink | ok | 10:38 |
| raphink | ty | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: can I send you a debdiff for kdebase ? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | we are removing the system protocol again :) | 11:00 |
| raphink | hahaha | 11:00 |
| raphink | vas y envoie | 11:00 |
| raphink | mais l je vais m'absenter un peu | 11:00 |
| raphink | je committerai plus tard | 11:00 |
| OdyXydO | Tonio_: ;-) | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | k | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: that's not "fun" :) | 11:01 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: isn't it working now ? | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: printing ? with gnome-cups-manager, yes | 11:01 |
| Lure_ | raphink: improved debdiff sent... | 11:01 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: no... system:/ protocol | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: it is but it is still creating issues | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | that's not due to kubuntu specifically, bu to kde | 11:02 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: lyke system:/home ?? | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: like with gtk apps or something | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: exactly | 11:03 |
| OdyX | OpenOffice... :'| | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: there is a fix commeted for this | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | commited | 11:04 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: I just related know exemple.. | 11:04 |
| OdyX | I hac no problem here.. | 11:04 |
| OdyX | s/hac/have | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: kind of yes ;) | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | gimp also | 11:05 |
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| seaLne | are there new (last week or so) problems with cups? | 11:08 |
| OdyX | seaLne: ask Tonio_... He has some,... | 11:10 |
| seaLne | http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups.png before print dialog then http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups2.png after and no printout | 11:11 |
| seaLne | Tonio_: ^ ? | 11:12 |
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| OdyX | who cares about amarok 1.4beta3 bugs ? | 11:16 |
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| Tonio_ | seaLne: yes ? | 11:22 |
| Lure_ | seaLne: you should report - I get similar but it prints see bug 41151 | 11:28 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41151 | 11:28 |
| Lure_ | or at least append info to this bug... | 11:28 |
| OdyX | Lure_: This could not be related with Riddell's debs ? | 11:29 |
| OdyX | I mean... test ones | 11:29 |
| Lure_ | OdyX: I thing Riddell's debs are now in offical repo | 11:29 |
| OdyX | OK. | 11:29 |
| Lure_ | raphink: thanks for upload | 11:58 |
| raphink | :) | 11:58 |
| raphink | Lure_: I'm testing korganizer again | 11:59 |
| raphink | it crashes on beta live | 11:59 |
| raphink | even using english | 11:59 |
| raphink | so it doeesn't seem to be linked to i18n | 11:59 |
| raphink | what I find really weird is that it doesn't crash when you choose "new task" before choosing "new event" | 12:00 |
| seaLne | today was the first day i noticed the second error, i think a few days ago i got the first error and it printed | 12:02 |
| Lure_ | raphink: still cannot reproduce here... will try live CD on my desktop | 12:06 |
| raphink | ok | 12:06 |
| Lure_ | raphink: I however experience slow dialog opening/closing which is mentioned in bug I thinl | 12:06 |
| raphink | ok | 12:07 |
| Lure_ | maybe my profile has something that prevents crash ;-) | 12:07 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:07 |
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| raphink | eve Hobbsee | 12:17 |
| Hobbsee | hi raphink | 12:17 |
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| Lure_ | raphink: still no crash on live... :-) | 01:09 |
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| Lure | raphink: where exactly do you select Add event - from menu or toolbar? from witch context of Kontact (calendar or to-do)? | 01:10 |
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| Lure | This is nice idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker | 01:23 |
| OdyX | POWERFUL Lure !!! | 01:31 |
| OdyX | Lure: just make a QT frontend.. :D | 01:31 |
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| Hobbsee | now that'd be cool | 01:34 |
| raphink | interesting | 01:37 |
| raphink | I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that | 01:37 |
| OdyX | raphink: libept... which is ever translated in FR :D | 01:39 |
| raphink | hehe | 01:39 |
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| Tonio_ | hey ;) | 01:44 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: ping ? | 01:44 |
| mornfall | raphink: what? | 01:48 |
| raphink | yo Tonio_ | 01:48 |
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| raphink | mornfall: what what? | 01:48 |
| mornfall | raphink: raphink | #kubuntu-dev % I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that | 01:48 |
| raphink | ah for this stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker | 01:49 |
| raphink | if it was ported to Qt | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | anyone here is using the proprietary nvidia drivers ? | 01:51 |
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| OdyX | Tonio_: I do. | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: you going to be around for a while? | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: do you have problems with the default size font ? | 01:52 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: yep... I reported a bug there for... | 01:52 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: hi - yes unless I get disconnected during my knetworkconf tests ;-) | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: when I use the free driver, font size is normal, but when I switch to the proprietary, fonts are getting very little | 01:53 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: restarted X or rebooted ? | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: so that I have to switch size to 12 to get back to normal size | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: rebooted | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | and restarted | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | I did both | 01:53 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: try to just restarted X. | 01:53 |
| OdyX | Well... | 01:53 |
| OdyX | AFAIK, it depends... | 01:53 |
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| Lure | OdyX: it is probably that one of the drivers do not calcualates DPI properly and is set to 75 (default) instead of something sane | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: I just reinstalled to get a clean beta installation and that's the same issue | 01:53 |
| OdyX | Lure: exactly... | 01:54 |
| Lure | You need to add DisplaySize to your Monitor section | 01:54 |
| OdyX | it's KDM... | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: probably better to discuss this with Sime I think | 01:54 |
| OdyX | bug 37072 | 01:54 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 37072 in kdebase kdm "After installing (and enabling) of nvidia-glx, KDM makes wrong DRI guesses" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37072 | 01:54 |
| OdyX | found it ^^^ | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: ah ? | 01:54 |
| OdyX | it's that, huh ? | 01:54 |
| mornfall | commonhooker? :) | 01:54 |
| mornfall | all of ubuntu shares one hooker? </nasty> | 01:55 |
| mornfall | somenoe's got a talent for names | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | isn't guidance supposed to set the xft-dpi to 96 ? | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | maybe there is a little bug in guidance, since I didn't got those issues 2 weeks ago | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | it appeared about 4 or 5 days | 01:55 |
| Lure | OdyX: you should check whay xdpyinfo | grep resolution to see what is detected | 01:56 |
| OdyX | Lure: I appplied my solution | 01:56 |
| OdyX | Lure: so when should I test ? | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that makes sense.... dpi are set to 75 by default, and xft-dpi are not patched to match 96 | 01:56 |
| OdyX | Lure: | 01:56 |
| OdyX | xdpyinfo | grep resolution | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | I will discuss this with sime | 01:56 |
| OdyX | resolution: 100x100 dots per inch | 01:56 |
| Lure | OdyX: you should try first free , then binary and compare | 01:56 |
| OdyX | Lure: This is because I set it at 100... | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | resolution: 75x75 dots per inch | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | I have 75 | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | but as far as know, for fonts, dpi should be set to 96 by default | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | that is patched by guidance | 01:57 |
| Lure | OdyX: you should not set it with -dpi, but rather like allee suggest here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet | 01:57 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: or detected correctly... | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: hu ? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | maybe yes | 01:58 |
| OdyX | Lure: Mention it in the bug report please... | 01:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: font dpi patching is also broken is recent kde-guidance - see bug 40683 | 01:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40683 in kde-guidance "Fonts extremely small post 21APR06 updates" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40683 | 01:58 |
| Lure | easy to fix though... | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Ubugtu: that's exactly my problem | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: ahhhhhhhhhhh that's why :) | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | that's a guidance issue | 01:59 |
| OdyX | Lure: so ?? I don't get the point... | 01:59 |
| Lure | OdyX: you should fix kde-guidance as mentioned in 40683, then you should give hint to X server in xorg.conf with DisplaySize about your screen size in order to detect DPI properly | 02:00 |
| Lure | and you should remove -dpi from kdmrc | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | ok I'm testing | 02:02 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: well, i have good news and bad news... | 02:04 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: start with good, then I will run ;-) | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | that's better ;) | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | good news is that on the 2.6.15-21-386 without ndiswrapper, the machine locks before it hibernates. | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | bad news: it still goes back to the login window, which rather defies the point. | 02:05 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: this is really strange bug - I have seen another report on mailing list... | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | also, with the latest compiled ndiswrapper, and 2.6.15-21-686, it doesnt work adn the machine just freezes - i suspect that may be to do with ndiswrapper, which seemed to shut down teh wireless card, and eventually restart it | 02:06 |
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| Hobbsee | i'm suspecting that ndiswrapper is the problem, i'll test that in a min... | 02:06 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: cannot help much with ndiswrapper, but I would really like to nail down this kdm logout problem | 02:07 |
| OdyX | ndiswrapper IS a problem though.. :-\ | 02:07 |
| Lure | you mention that machine "locks before hibernate" - you actually see lock dialog? | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | I have problems on my laptop | 02:08 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: as do I... | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | the machine fails to shutdown correctly sometimes | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | and I have to remove the battery to power it on again | 02:09 |
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| Tonio_ | I was suspecting ndiswrapper but since it worked for month........ | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know if that isn't also a hardware issue | 02:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: there are similar report - it hangs where - just before terminating processes? | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | then the only solution to shut it down properly is to remove the battery | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | is that what you get ? | 02:10 |
| Lure | I have seen major discussion recently in Malone with mdz pushing hard to get this solved somehow | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | so that is a software related issue ? | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | strange..... | 02:10 |
| Lure | Tonio_: no, shutdown works for me if ATI does not hang the system before (20% chance with "ati" and 100% with "fglrx") | 02:10 |
| Lure | :-( | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | the screen shuts down, the keyboard doesn't respond | 02:10 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: yes, it goes to screensaver, if you move the mouse, it asks for a p/w, as it should | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | everything seems to be stoped, but the wifi led lights | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | and for some reason, that didnt hibernate at all...just went to screensaver and sat there | 02:11 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: did you install the system with install CD or live CD installer? | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | install cd, flight 4 | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I have that just after the message "system will now halt" | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I was suspecting an hardware issue | 02:12 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: wild guess - can you check /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume that it points to your swap partition? | 02:13 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: ping ? | 02:13 |
| raphink | pong | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | raphinou je t'envoi le packet kdebase | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | mais sans le orig | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | juste le dsc et le diff oki ? | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | c a la demande de riddell donc tu peux uploader sans soucis | 02:14 |
| === verwilst submitted a kde-guidance bug report | ||
| raphink | ben dans ce cas envoie un debdiff | 02:14 |
| raphink | ce sera plus simple | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: faut aussi virer trash.desktop du bureau | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | pkoi tu l'as pas vir celui la ? il sert a qque chose ? | 02:15 |
| raphink | j'ai pas trouv comment Tonio_ | 02:15 |
| raphink | si tu trouves je suis partant | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | ah ? | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | oki je check | 02:15 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:15 |
| raphink | il est pas install par un paquet | 02:15 |
| raphink | je pense qu'il est install par un programme au run | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: will do, give me a sec. old school friend has rung up in search of a blank cd | 02:15 |
| Lure | Tonio_: check bug 31993 and bug 39652 (and many others) | 02:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 31993 in acpi "Shutdown no longer powers off computer (Dapper laptop)" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31993 | 02:15 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39652 in Ubuntu "laptop doesnt poweroff after shutdown on toshiba A105-S361" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39652 | 02:15 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: no pb | 02:16 |
| raphink | dpkg -S trash.desktop | 02:16 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: can you hibernate with nvidia/kpowersave ? | 02:16 |
| raphink | Lure: I don't test within kontact | 02:16 |
| raphink | Lure: test running korganizer as standalone | 02:16 |
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| Tonio_ | OdyX: I don't have my laptop here to test | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: er.....how do i check where my swap is? | 02:16 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: OK. | 02:16 |
| raphink | Tonio_: | 02:16 |
| raphink | $ dpkg -S trash.desktop | 02:16 |
| raphink | kdelibs-data: /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-trash.desktop | 02:16 |
| raphink | kdebase-kio-plugins: /usr/share/services/kfile_trash.desktop | 02:16 |
| raphink | that's all I get | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | yep that's it | 02:17 |
| Lure | cat /proc/swaps | 02:17 |
| raphink | trash.desktop is not installed by a package | 02:17 |
| raphink | hence why I didn't care to remove it | 02:17 |
| OdyX | $ grep swap /etc/fstab | 02:17 |
| OdyX | ? | 02:17 |
| Lure | raphink: will try that | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: hum, strange | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: yep, it's right | 02:17 |
| raphink | is Ubiquity the new name of Espresso? | 02:17 |
| Lure | raphink: yes | 02:17 |
| raphink | ok | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: certainly created while launching kde for the first time | 02:18 |
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| Tonio_ | sounds weird...... | 02:18 |
| raphink | Tonio_: I guess, but no idea by what process | 02:18 |
| raphink | and I don't find it worth it to find it out right now | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: will check and correct this also | 02:18 |
| raphink | maybe in Edgy when we have time for this | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | startkde maybe ? | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 02:18 |
| raphink | huhu | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | let me check this | 02:18 |
| raphink | I doubt so | 02:18 |
| raphink | ok | 02:18 |
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| MidMark | hi to all | 02:19 |
| MidMark | someone could tell me why there are no 1.5.0.2 updates for mozillas packages? | 02:20 |
| Lure | MidMark: probably still in review (diff is 30K LOC) :-( | 02:20 |
| raphink | + it's UVF | 02:21 |
| MidMark | UVF? | 02:21 |
| raphink | + firefox is not a kubuntu app | 02:21 |
| raphink | Upstream Version Freeze | 02:21 |
| raphink | we've been in UVF for a few months now | 02:21 |
| raphink | which means we can't just upgrade programs when we want to | 02:21 |
| MidMark | I know | 02:21 |
| raphink | Dapper is to be released in a month | 02:21 |
| raphink | so we only update packages if it's safe and worth it | 02:21 |
| MidMark | but they are security updates | 02:21 |
| raphink | MidMark: then I'm sure it will be included soon | 02:22 |
| raphink | otherwise ping people on #ubuntu-devel | 02:22 |
| raphink | this is #kubuntu-devel heree | 02:22 |
| MidMark | raphink: ok | 02:22 |
| raphink | and our default browser is konqueror :) | 02:22 |
| === raphink notes ubiquity has a gnome icon on the kubuntu live CD | ||
| raphink | would be nice to have it wear a kubuntu one | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: locate directory.trash | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | hehe :) | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | seems it is this one | 02:24 |
| raphink | ah | 02:24 |
| raphink | interesting | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | it is copied and renamed when launched for the first time | 02:24 |
| raphink | ok | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: better patching kde to avoid the copy or simply not installing it ? | 02:25 |
| raphink | well you can test both | 02:25 |
| raphink | I'd say remove the desktop | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 02:25 |
| raphink | but then test that it doesn't have kde crash on it | 02:25 |
| raphink | with a clean profile | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | I will try remove the file locally and create a new profile | 02:25 |
| raphink | k | 02:26 |
| Lure | raphink: icon was replaced yesterday by kwwii's | 02:27 |
| raphink | ah ok :) | 02:27 |
| raphink | great | 02:27 |
| Lure | it is the one you see on kubuntu.org | 02:28 |
| Lure | raphink: now it crashes (live CD)! | 02:28 |
| raphink | hehe | 02:28 |
| raphink | pfiew | 02:28 |
| Lure | newer used korganizer... | 02:29 |
| Lure | raphink: do you want me to look into this? | 02:29 |
| raphink | sure if you can :) | 02:29 |
| raphink | that'd be great | 02:29 |
| Lure | I would like to reproduce it on my laptop as everything is here (devel env) though... | 02:29 |
| raphink | ok | 02:30 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: works :) | 02:31 |
| Tonio_ | sending you the debdiff | 02:31 |
| raphink | great Tonio_ | 02:31 |
| raphink | ok | 02:31 |
| raphink | send me all your debdiffs ;) | 02:31 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: I just noticed we do not have bogofilter installed by default anymore........ | 02:35 |
| Tonio_ | it was usefull for easy kmail configuration | 02:36 |
| raphink | I don't want it | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | why ? | 02:36 |
| raphink | I'd rather have spamassassin if any | 02:36 |
| raphink | bogofilter doesn't triage my spam properly | 02:36 |
| raphink | I've had bad experiences with it | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: yes, but spamassassin is a pain for resources....... | 02:36 |
| Tonio_ | well, anyway it would be nice to have at least one antispam installed by default | 02:37 |
| kwwii | Riddell: did Jane also agree to printing the broshures? | 02:37 |
| raphink | I agree spamassassin kills resources | 02:37 |
| raphink | but it's the only one that works properly | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: otherwise don't be surprised people use thunderbird | 02:37 |
| raphink | bogofilter would put personal messages as spam | 02:37 |
| raphink | and I don't want users to see their emails put in spam just because they have contacts using yahoo or hotmail | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: bogofilter required a longuer scanning time, but works nicelly then | 02:37 |
| Tonio_ | but you have to tag for a few days, I agree | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | what else could be installed ? | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: to me bogofilter is nice, really | 02:38 |
| Tonio_ | not as good as K9 which is the best antispam I've seen but quite correct | 02:38 |
| === Hobbsee is back | ||
| === Hobbsee will try kpowersave again | ||
| Tonio_ | raphink: what else does kmail manage ? | 02:39 |
| === Lure running korganizer under valgrind... | ||
| raphink | no idea | 02:39 |
| raphink | Lure: hehe | 02:39 |
| Lure | raphink: so many errors reported that it is a shame... :-( | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I think that should be discussed tomorrow | 02:42 |
| raphink | ok | 02:42 |
| Lure | raphink: there are for sure false positives, but still... | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | cause that will make people switching to thunderbird, for sure | 02:42 |
| raphink | Tonio_: we can talk about that on thursday | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | and we don't want that ;) | 02:42 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: their bad if they switch - no support from great Kubuntu team ;-) | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: having it installed by default doesn't mean using it | 02:43 |
| raphink | sure | 02:43 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: korganizer ?? bad ? | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | you can still install spamassassin and configure kmail to use it | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX nope kmail | 02:43 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: well.. it works... | 02:43 |
| OdyX | mainly | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: to me installing bogofilter by default just makes it faster to configure kmail, that's all | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | and honneslty people who use an antispam tool take the risk to loose mails | 02:44 |
| raphink | sure | 02:44 |
| Lure | raphink: valgrind complains: "More than 100000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more." | 02:44 |
| raphink | ouch | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: do you know why bogofilter doesn't for you ? | 02:45 |
| === Lure is scared that his mail/calendar is stored in such app... | ||
| Tonio_ | because you only tag spams | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | you have to tag good messages to make it work properly :) | 02:45 |
| raphink | ah | 02:45 |
| raphink | ic | 02:45 |
| raphink | I have tons of good messges | 02:45 |
| raphink | hundreds a day | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | cause it works better when it has both white and black lists ;) | 02:45 |
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| Tonio_ | c'est logique coco :) | 02:45 |
| raphink | oui | 02:46 |
| === mornfall uses crm114 :-) | ||
| Tonio_ | spamassassin is less sensitive, I agree with you, but as it kills resources........ | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: hmmm...interesting | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | same problems with 2.6.15-21-686 as the -386 version | 02:46 |
| mornfall | hmm, i have 1700 new spams | 02:46 |
| mornfall | i haven't seen yet | 02:46 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: did klaptop work for you anytime? | 02:46 |
| mornfall | in spam.confident | 02:46 |
| OdyX_ | for me... it works pretty well with Spamassassin... | 02:46 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: I personnaly use amavisd with spamassassin | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | but that's not adapted to a desktop usage, honnestly ;) | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: er...no, not that i recall. it may have done once, early in the release cycle. kpowersave worked perfectly for a while though | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | best antispam is by far sbl/rbl lists | 02:47 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know why they are not used widely by email providers....... | 02:48 |
| OdyX_ | Lure: I changed my screen stuff... I get something funny.. | 02:48 |
| OdyX_ | Lure: http://pastebin.com/680836 | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: got the debdiff ? | 02:48 |
| OdyX_ | that's a bug, huh Lure ? | 02:48 |
| raphink | yes | 02:48 |
| mornfall | crm is too good for me to inspect spam.confident | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: don't upload plz ;) | 02:48 |
| raphink | pour kdebase Tonio_? | 02:48 |
| raphink | ah ok | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | I have another modification to provide | 02:48 |
| raphink | ok | 02:48 |
| raphink | fine | 02:48 |
| raphink | I'll wait | 02:48 |
| Tonio_ | I have to improve the gtk_qt_engine default installation | 02:49 |
| mornfall | something like a hundred spams a day, well, umm | 02:49 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: may I upload new package to universe now? | 02:49 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: no | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: I got 700 spams a day | 02:49 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: unless you have the authorization from above | 02:49 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: heh, that's extreme | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | when I started using sbl/rbl lists, it went to 2 maximum | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: and I never lost a message :) | 02:49 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: who can give? | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | and that doesn't require any config | 02:50 |
| raphink | kamion, elmo.. | 02:50 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: no, with those lists it's that you don't know when you lose messages :) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: extremely lightweight, since it uses dns | 02:50 |
| Lure | OdyX: it looks like stupid binary driver does not respect DisplaySize | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: yes true, but I never heard about a lost message :) | 02:50 |
| OdyX | Lure: If not gives in kdmrc... | 02:50 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: i usually just pretend people whose rbl filters think i am spammer don't exist | 02:50 |
| Lure | OdyX: which size of display do you have in inch? | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: and I monitored it for my company for a complete week (15000 messages to look in postfix logs), was about the perfection | 02:51 |
| OdyX | Lure: I have a 1920x1200 that displays correctly at 100DPI... but nothing to get it's real size | 02:51 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: do you have nice skim screenshots in kubuntu? | 02:51 |
| raphink | with the default look | 02:51 |
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| mornfall | Tonio_: well, let's also note that you can't treat mailing list spam with that | 02:51 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/ | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: we should patch the skim desktop file | 02:51 |
| Tonio_ | it is not correctly implemented actually, no genericname etc..... | 02:52 |
| OdyX | Lure: what's the best to do ??? | 02:52 |
| raphink | what for? | 02:52 |
| raphink | ah | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: cause there is a standatd | 02:52 |
| raphink | sure | 02:52 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: only about 1/3rd of spam i get is addressed to my primary mail | 02:52 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook could do that ;) | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | capital first letter fir name etc........ | 02:52 |
| mornfall | for which i control smtp | 02:52 |
| Tonio_ | mornfall: MLs ? | 02:52 |
| Lure | OdyX: did you fix kde-guidance script - then stay with -dpi + this fix | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | ah !!!!!!!!! kmplayer went to main finally ;) | 02:53 |
| Tonio_ | great | 02:53 |
| mornfall | Tonio_: university, debian, ... | 02:53 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: ? | 02:53 |
| OdyX | Lure: you wait ME to fix it ?? | 02:53 |
| === OdyX wonders where Lure get these ideas... | ||
| mornfall | 10% of spam is to uni address which i need to read but can't control | 02:53 |
| OdyX | mornfall: IMAP ? | 02:53 |
| mornfall | OdyX: what's with imap? | 02:54 |
| mornfall | it exists yeah | 02:54 |
| mornfall | :-) | 02:54 |
| Lure | OdyX: this is -devel channel, so it is expected yes ;-) | 02:54 |
| OdyX | Lure: Well... OK... | 02:54 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: you can not access here http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/scrothots/skim/ | 02:54 |
| OdyX | Lure: apt-get source kde-guidance ?? | 02:54 |
| Lure | OdyX: it is a simple fix, you just need to add one line to one file with editor | 02:54 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: ah | 02:54 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: could you send me the pics ? | 02:54 |
| OdyX | Lure: but fix it for Dapper or for me ? | 02:54 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: ok | 02:55 |
| OdyX | mornfall: I was just wondering why you said "can't control" | 02:55 |
| Lure | OdyX: just for you until Dapper will get new version (Sime is working on it) | 02:55 |
| raphink | well it's ok I got in it freeflying-ibook | 02:55 |
| mornfall | OdyX: well, if you can change your university smtp configuration, why not | 02:55 |
| mornfall | OdyX: *i* can't | 02:55 |
| mornfall | OdyX: (wrt anti-spam measures) | 02:56 |
| raphink | ah can't see the pics though | 02:56 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: just send me the pics please :) | 02:56 |
| mornfall | --> food | 02:56 |
| raphink | so I can talk about CJK support a bit | 02:56 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: nope | 02:56 |
| OdyX | mornfall: we have an anti spam on our IMAP boxes... | 02:56 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: preferably small images :) | 02:56 |
| raphink | just to illustrate a slide | 02:56 |
| mornfall | OdyX: so what | 02:57 |
| mornfall | OdyX: that doesn't make me any more able to change it | 02:57 |
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| OdyX_ | mornfall: so just misunderstood.... | 02:57 |
| freeflying-ibook | heh, my konqueror crashes often | 02:57 |
| Lure | OdyX: open sudo kate /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore | 02:58 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: I;d mail you tomorror | 02:59 |
| raphink | ty | 02:59 |
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| OdyX | Lure: ?? No.... | 03:00 |
| OdyX | Lure: just killing my :1 test... | 03:00 |
| Lure | ok, I though you left | 03:00 |
| Lure | now go to line 22 | 03:00 |
| Lure | and add new line saying "import syslog" | 03:00 |
| raphink | actually I've found one freeflying-ibook so it's ok | 03:00 |
| Lure | save and restart you KDM session | 03:00 |
| allee | Lure: about tons of error, there are 'hundreds' of simple bug fixes in kde3_5_branch. Have not checked who many for korganizer :( | 03:01 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: okey, I'm suffering the crash on ppc now | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | hum, what is the gnome equivalent of startkde or startkfce4 ? | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | gnome-session ? | 03:01 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: ah? | 03:01 |
| OdyX | Lure: thanks. | 03:01 |
| OdyX | Lure: trying... | 03:01 |
| Lure | allee: hi! | 03:01 |
| freeflying-ibook | raphink: konqueror krita and others | 03:01 |
| OdyX | Lure: should I let DisplaySize in xorg.conf ? | 03:02 |
| raphink | freeflying-ibook: really? | 03:02 |
| Lure | allee: when is 3.5.3? | 03:02 |
| raphink | I don't have crashes | 03:02 |
| allee | hi. I got a ping due to 'DPI' mentioned ;) | 03:02 |
| allee | Lure: not planed yet AFAIK | 03:02 |
| Lure | allee: DPI DPI DPI DPI... | 03:02 |
| allee | ping ping ping ping .... | 03:02 |
| Lure | so that is the keyword... ;-) | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:02 |
| allee | Lure one oh dozend ;) | 03:02 |
| allee | s/oh/of/ | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | what is the primary gnome binary file ? | 03:03 |
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| freeflying-ibook | raphink: ya | 03:04 |
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| allee | Lure: about the bugs. If there interest, one could check if debian still included branch pulls and their experience | 03:06 |
| allee | Lure: one they talked about removing them, 'cause a temprary bug in branch got pulled and upset quite some people. | 03:06 |
| allee | Lure: on the other hand since I follow kde35 commits, I can hardly beleave that KDE does not crash every second :) | 03:07 |
| Lure | :-( | 03:08 |
| Lure | allee: currently I am faster in fixing bugs myself than finding my way in kde svn, bugzilla... | 03:08 |
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| allee | Lure: yeah, it's much easier to just pull branch and get dozend - hunderts bugs fixed [with the risk to get a few new bugs :) ] | 03:09 |
| Lure | allee: yes, but that is Riddell's call - and he is not around ;-) | 03:10 |
| allee | Lure: do you commit your fixes to kde svn? I don't remember you | 03:10 |
| Lure | allee: no - my first fix for KDE was probably 2 weeks ago when I helped Tonio with kmplayer | 03:11 |
| Lure | ;-) | 03:11 |
| Lure | I have just asked Riddell today what is the process to get this upstream... | 03:11 |
| allee | Lure: usually send if you new to the app. Send to the right -devel list of bts. If the bug is trival and your sure fix is right do it directly ;) | 03:13 |
| Lure | what do you mean "directly"? | 03:14 |
| allee | uh,oh first part is crap | 03:14 |
| allee | directly == svn commit | 03:14 |
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| Lure | allee: anybody can get svn write rights? | 03:15 |
| Lure | allee: I will go with mailing lists but this needs time to find right target - it would be nice if we would have this in Launchpad and would just attach patch there and would go to upstream (whoever) automatically | 03:16 |
| allee | Lure: yeah, doin' things twice in lp and b.k.o is boring and error prone. | 03:19 |
| allee | Lure: afair send an e-mail to sysadmin@kde.org. | 03:20 |
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| allee | Lure: or ask Riddel to do it. having someone, known by KDE guys, recommending you, speed things up (usually next one,two days) | 03:23 |
| allee | bbl | 03:23 |
| Lure | allee: thanks | 03:23 |
| allee | ahh and last but not least hi and bye to Tonio_ raphink Hobbsee et al | 03:24 |
| raphink | hi allee | 03:24 |
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| Hobbsee | hi allee | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ^^ | 03:31 |
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| jjesse | riddell any idea on when i can get espresso images w/o beta in them to include in the book? | 04:01 |
| OdyX | jjesse: compile it yourself ? | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: riddell's not here... | 04:02 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: d'oh just noticed that | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:02 |
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| jjesse | OdyX: if i compile it myself will the images not have beta in them? | 04:03 |
| OdyX | jjesse: no... | 04:03 |
| OdyX | jjesse: you should edit the code to remove beta... | 04:03 |
| jjesse | OdyX: ummm how do i do that :P | 04:04 |
| OdyX | jjesse: dunno... | 04:05 |
| OdyX | jjesse: I'm about to leave... But I could give a sight... | 04:05 |
| jjesse | hmm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta that i did, only the first image has "This is a beta version" text | 04:06 |
| OdyX | jjesse: Why not erasing it in a photoshop-like ? | 04:07 |
| jjesse | OdyX: going to try that | 04:08 |
| OdyX | jjesse: want me to do it... it's ten seconds... | 04:08 |
| jjesse | OdyX: took care of it already | 04:13 |
| jjesse | OdyX: thanks for the suggestion :) | 04:13 |
| OdyX | jjesse: OK. Fine then. | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: in the kde world, we don't say "photoshop-like" but "krita" ;) | 04:16 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: I know.. but Krita is slow... :D | 04:16 |
| === OdyX never used Photo$hop | ||
| Tonio_ | OdyX: all graphical editors are slow | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | although I agree gimp is fastest than krita | 04:17 |
| OdyX | Tonio_: but gimp is faster (a lot...) than krita. | 04:17 |
| OdyX | grillaid | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: kulay !!!! | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | ah non ca va c moi qui t'ai grilled ;) | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | OdyX: but krita has a "human readable" gui :) | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | which is important too | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly, the gimp ugly UI isn't a legend to me | 04:22 |
| OdyX | clear... | 04:23 |
| OdyX | bad habit of different windows... | 04:23 |
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| sabdfl | hey all | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | hi sabdfl | 04:24 |
| sabdfl | i want to mail an invitation to Kubuntu and KDE community members to come to LinuxTag on May 6 to chart the future of kubuntu | 04:24 |
| sabdfl | which mailing lists would you recommend? | 04:24 |
| === OdyX prosterns. | ||
| Hobbsee | kubuntu devel and kubuntu users, i would expect... | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | those are the ones that most people subscribe too, if they subscribe at all | 04:25 |
| === Hobbsee tries not to die of shock :P | ||
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| Hobbsee | hi again Riddell | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | sabdfl: ^ if you didnt see | 04:26 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: i'm going to mail that invite to -announce could you bounce to Kubuntu and KDE places please? | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | sabdfl: if he doesnt, i'll try to remember to (*writes note in background*) | 04:27 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if Riddell is actually connected at all | ||
| Riddell | sabdfl: my e-mail is down, so it may not be a prompot bounce | 04:29 |
| OdyX | Bye all. | 04:29 |
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| superstoned | bye | 04:37 |
| sabdfl | did that make it through? | 04:49 |
| Hobbsee | sabdfl: the annoucement on ubuntu-annoucement? | 04:50 |
| sabdfl | Hobbsee: yup | 04:50 |
| Hobbsee | hasnt come through here yet... (darn the redirects) | 04:51 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: could you +1 that mail to kubuntu-devel please? | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | it's there now... | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | on announce | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | oh crud...must sleep...and deliver car in tomorrow...night all | 04:56 |
| Riddell | sabdfl: it'll reject it if you're not subscribed, try sending again I added a filter for @ubuntu.com and @canonical.com | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since both you and sabdfl are there, what is the decided standard shortcuts for tabs switching ? | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I looked and it is pretty easy to implement with k-d-s | 04:57 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: sent | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | I can do it right now if ctrl + pgup/pgdown is the decided thing | 04:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: control + pgup/pgdown was what sabdfl suggested, seems sensible to me | 04:59 |
| Riddell | although no doubt it'll clash with something | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's an issue, yes, I have to look carefully for every application set | 04:59 |
| Riddell | yes, konsole uses control-page up/down for scrolling | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: why not making usage of special/win key | 05:00 |
| Riddell | my laptop doesn't have a win key :) | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ibm ? :) | 05:00 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | hehe, or maybe ctrl + alt + pgup | 05:01 |
| sabdfl | Riddell: it clashes with gedit a little, thats paragraph up/down | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: removing ctrl + pgup from konsole ? that's not nice to me, but well, if we decide this as a standard..... | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | sabdfl: why not ctrl + alt instead of simply ctrl ? | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ctrl + page up/down isn't defined here with konsole, on a fresh beta installation | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that personnal settings ? | 05:05 |
| Riddell | you sure? make sure you're using a screen that can be scrolled | 05:05 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: scrolling is maj + page up/down | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | at least on my default installation | 05:05 |
| Riddell | maj? | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | sorry, shift :) | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | maj is french translation | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | shift + page up/down is the default here | 05:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, you're right | 05:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so control-pageup/down good with me | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't see any conflict concerning those 4 apps, but I agree with it can issues with others | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'm adding this right now | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I patched the gtk_qt autoconfig in startkde | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: files will not be copied if kfce of gnome are installed | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: raphink has the debdiff (as you were not here), he will upload | 05:11 |
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| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: ping | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: pong ? | 05:13 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: is ktranslator maintained by you? | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: I packages it initially | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: not sure the actual version is mine, let me check | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: yes it is | 05:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: it's need dependent on dictd | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: oups !! | 05:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: you seems forget it heh | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | didn't I hadded it ? | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | damn....... great, let me change this :) | 05:14 |
| freeflying-ibook | thanks | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: dict or dict-client ? | 05:15 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: dictd | 05:15 |
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| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: ho dictd | 05:15 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: at least Suggests | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: recommands is better I think | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | but that's not a depends thing | 05:17 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: I prefer to depends ,heh | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: doesn't it work without it ? | 05:18 |
| freeflying-ibook | dictd format dictionary are more common than others | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: true, so let's add depends | 05:19 |
| freeflying-ibook | nice, :) | 05:19 |
| freeflying-ibook | Tonio_: seems you'd add festival and gocr to Suggests | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | freeflying-ibook: yep | 05:22 |
| freeflying-ibook | ok, nites all | 05:23 |
| sabdfl | did that mail hit kubuntu-devel? | 05:28 |
| robotgeek | howdy sabdfl | 05:28 |
| robotgeek | sabdfl: yup, got it. i'm sure this will get onto digg or something | 05:29 |
| sabdfl | cool, thanks | 05:30 |
| jjesse | if we can't make it to linuxtag will there be a way to contribute to the converstation? | 05:34 |
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| jpatrick | moin | 05:41 |
| jjesse | anyone ever tried to use espresso in vmplayer? i just closes out when I get to the disk section | 05:41 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: maybe we can upload kexi-mdb now? (now that 1.5 is in) | 05:42 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: yeah, well remembered | 05:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: are daily live CD's now more trustful (in regards partitions)? | 05:45 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: is it in revu? | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: not yt | 05:45 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: just got to rebuild it to make sure it works | 05:45 |
| Riddell | Lure: there was still an error in the installer yesterday (unrelated), not sure if an upload has been done to fix that | 05:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, will wait until next week then (when back from vacation) | 05:46 |
| mornfall | robotgeek: good that you like it :) | 05:46 |
| robotgeek | mornfall: easy to use and all the nice stuff | 05:46 |
| === robotgeek would love it you implemented -o parsing... | ||
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| mornfall | robotgeek: well, it's not that hard, maybe you could contribute code? :-)) | 05:54 |
| robotgeek | mornfall: is it c++? (i have to learn) | 05:55 |
| mornfall | yeah, c++ | 05:55 |
| mornfall | what else :) | 05:55 |
| robotgeek | :) | 05:56 |
| Riddell | adept? make sure you know about C++ templates before playing with that :) | 05:56 |
| mornfall | Riddell: why, you have looked? :P | 05:56 |
| mornfall | not that adept itself is too heavy on templates | 05:57 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/681132 | 05:57 |
| mornfall | considering you can't have a template with signals/slots | 05:57 |
| === robotgeek looked at a nice Object Oriented C article etc | ||
| Riddell | mornfall: I've watched it compiling many a time | 05:57 |
| mornfall | heh | 05:57 |
| mornfall | okey | 05:57 |
| mornfall | gcc error output is sometimes... lovely | 05:58 |
| === Lure would say it is ugly ;-) | ||
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm testing new k-d-s and give you a url for debdiff | 06:24 |
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| Tonio_ | cool I can go to linuxtag on 06 ;) | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:07 |
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| Tonio_ | jpatrick: :( | 07:08 |
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| kwwii | does Riddell have vacation today? | 07:32 |
| kwwii | first time I can think of that he is not in chat :-) | 07:32 |
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| jjesse | don't remember if i asked, but anyone try to use espresso in vm player to install to a disk? | 08:07 |
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| jjesse | do we need to keep a bug that deals with a flight4 live cd open? | 08:16 |
| crimsun | depends if it has been closed | 08:17 |
| crimsun | s/closed/fixed/ | 08:17 |
| jjesse | still as "unconfirmed" but i'm not experiencing the same problem on my live cd | 08:18 |
| crimsun | adding that as a comment is helpful | 08:18 |
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| raphink | kwwii: will you be in linuxtag? | 08:44 |
| kwwii | raphink: yes | 08:44 |
| raphink | kwwii: where do you come from? | 08:44 |
| kwwii | raphink: I live near Bamberg in Ober-Franken, northern Bavaria in Germany | 08:45 |
| raphink | ic | 08:45 |
| raphink | :) | 08:45 |
| raphink | I'll be glad to see you there :) | 08:45 |
| kwwii | but I am American | 08:45 |
| kwwii | ;-) | 08:46 |
| raphink | ok | 08:46 |
| raphink | that happens even to nice people sometimes ;) | 08:46 |
| raphink | hehe | 08:46 |
| kwwii | haha | 08:46 |
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| kwwii | :-) | 09:10 |
| allee | about linuxtag: Anything special to do to participate in the 'Kubuntu's Future' session Mark mentined? | 09:11 |
| kwwii | I did not even know about that | 09:11 |
| kwwii | when did he mention it? | 09:11 |
| robotgeek | kwwii: morning today | 09:11 |
| allee | kwwii: see *-devel lists | 09:11 |
| allee | kwwii: or http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html :) | 09:13 |
| kwwii | allee: cool, thanks | 09:13 |
| kwwii | wow | 09:14 |
| kwwii | cool | 09:14 |
| kwwii | I wonder who will show up for the artwork :-) | 09:14 |
| allee | kwwii: not me! or not one CD will be sold (no smiley here!) | 09:15 |
| kwwii | lol | 09:16 |
| kwwii | think I will subscribe to that list | 09:17 |
| Tonio_ | allee: will you be there on 04/06 ? | 09:24 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: ping ? | 09:25 |
| allee | I'll ask tomorrow to the there for the complete linux tag | 09:25 |
| allee | ah that's Wednesday to Saturday | 09:26 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: nice ;) | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I'll be there saturday only, since I can't take vacations | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | but saturday is for us the most interesting day, so that's fine | 09:27 |
| Tonio_ | hey \sh ;) | 09:28 |
| allee | heh, still have to ask if institute pay for it. Otherwise it may there only saturday too ;) | 09:28 |
| \sh | hey Tonio_ | 09:28 |
| allee | 'olla \sh | 09:29 |
| \sh | gugucks allee :) | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | I will have the oportunity to train my german :) | 09:29 |
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| Tonio_ | I was probably the worst german student of all my school :) | 09:29 |
| allee | Tonio_: then don't listen to me (horrible acent) | 09:30 |
| Tonio_ | allee: ;) | 09:30 |
| allee | Still possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again? | 09:30 |
| \sh | and I was a terrible french language student :) | 09:30 |
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| Tonio_ | \sh: hehe | 09:31 |
| kmon | kwwii: The new adept notify icon looks great :) | 09:31 |
| kmon | can someone confirm if openoffice draw appears both in office & graphics menu items? | 09:32 |
| allee | kmon: yes it does | 09:33 |
| kmon | known bug? | 09:33 |
| allee | kmon no idea | 09:34 |
| allee | Tonio_, raphink: [21:30] <allee> Still possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again? | 09:34 |
| kwwii | kmon: I didn't know that Riddell put it in yet :-) good to hear | 09:34 |
| kmon | kwwii: it's very nice | 09:35 |
| kwwii | cool :-) | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | allee: It is possible, but that requires an uvf exception | 09:35 |
| Tonio_ | allee: and therefore a good reason (big bugfixes or something) | 09:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: ok, so 'usual' UVF bug report and assigning to 'archive team'? | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: so if you're ready to make the uvfe ;) | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | allee: you need to create a launchpad bug, let me give you an example | 09:36 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes uploaded to debian last night | 09:36 |
| kmon | allee: can you please confirm the bug 41360 ? | 09:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41360 in openoffice.org "openoffice draw appears twice in the kde menu: on office & graphics" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41360 | 09:38 |
| OdyXydO | kmon: I can. | 09:38 |
| kmon | OdyXydO: Thanxs | 09:39 |
| OdyXydO | kmon: Done | 09:39 |
| allee | kmon: done | 09:39 |
| kmon | I have another bug but I don't know if it's just me... | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/34341 | 09:39 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Fix released] | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | you need to provide debdiff, difstat and pbuilder output too | 09:40 |
| kmon | on my amd64 machine openoffice doesn't use kde widgets for scrollbars | 09:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: Thx | 09:40 |
| kmon | anyone here can confirm it? | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: let me have a look | 09:41 |
| kmon | Tonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/40598 | 09:42 |
| kmon | I have a screenshot attached | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: confirmed | 09:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 09:42 |
| kmon | could you please confirm it in launchpad? | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | kmon: done ;) | 09:43 |
| kmon | Tonio_: Thanks | 09:43 |
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| AnsiC | hello | 10:07 |
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| derekS | hey, i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, and it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop... is that a known bug (using breezy) | 10:15 |
| derekS | the packages that really concern me that it wants to remove are "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword" | 10:17 |
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| Tonio_ | allee: kcmshell kcm_printmgr | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | does it work for you ? | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the module is there, but it doesn't want to open, and printmgr.la is missing | 10:21 |
| Lure | Tonio_: kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'. | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I think that's the reason administrator fails | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | since it uses that command | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | let me test | 10:21 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: it appears the module should be printmgr.la and printmgr.so files | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | they are not there, so that could explain the admin mode failing | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: re ;) | 10:23 |
| Lure | Tonio_: but this is not SysSettings module, isn't it? | 10:23 |
| allee | allee(0) ~ $ kcmshell kcm_printmgr | 10:23 |
| allee | kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'. | 10:23 |
| allee | allee(0) ~ $ locate kcm_print | 10:23 |
| allee | /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.la | 10:23 |
| allee | /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.so | 10:23 |
| Lure | as that one works for me | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: it is | 10:23 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_, raphink | 10:23 |
| raphink | hi Riddell | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | allee: sounds strange ! | 10:23 |
| Riddell | anything happening at tech board I should know about? | 10:23 |
| Lure | but that one works (beside the successful-ok warning) | 10:24 |
| derekS | Riddell: i was told to ask you this question. i am using an up to date breezy install, and i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, however it also wants to remove "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword"... is this a bug? | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | allee: according to what I see, the files are supposed to be printmgr.la, not kcm_printmgr | 10:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: should you know better than we? ;-) | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can you upload the new k-d-s ? standard tab switching in it and working | 10:24 |
| Riddell | Lure: I have a patch for the successful-ok thing, I'll give you a poke when I have it compiled so you can test it | 10:25 |
| allee | allee[0] ~ # kcmshell --list | grep print | 10:25 |
| allee | printers - Printing system configuration (printers, jobs, classes, ...) | 10:25 |
| Lure | Riddell: today? I am just in tommorow then I am offline until Tue | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: great ;) | 10:25 |
| Riddell | derekS: kubuntu-desktop needed it for gstreamer, not sure why koffice would need it | 10:25 |
| Tonio_ | allee: the admin mode is using the desktop file whose command isn't the good one | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: /usr/share/applications/kde/printers.desktop | 10:26 |
| derekS | Riddell: so you would reccomend against removing it? | 10:26 |
| allee | Tonio_: heh, kcmshell printers -> error dialog: an error occored ... : ok-sucessful :) | 10:26 |
| Riddell | derekS: why would you want to? | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: look at this, I'm about certain if we change the exec line to kcmshell printers, that will do the job ;) | 10:26 |
| === Tonio_ testing | ||
| derekS | Riddell: no need to have gtk on my comp :) | 10:27 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and who is calling kcm_printmgr? | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no idea | 10:27 |
| Lure | desktop file? But who uses that desktop file? | 10:28 |
| allee | Tonio_: | 10:28 |
| allee | An error occurred while retrieving the printer list. Error message received from manager: | 10:28 |
| allee | successful-ok | 10:28 |
| kmon | Riddell: I though kubuntu used xine, not gstreamer | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | allee: yes that's nice, old bug now resolved | 10:28 |
| Riddell | kmon: it used gstreamer in breezy | 10:28 |
| allee | and on every ^P: | 10:28 |
| allee | An error occurred while retrieving the printer list: | 10:28 |
| allee | successful-ok | 10:28 |
| derekS | Riddell: so if i upgrade to dapper, i should be ok without gtk? | 10:28 |
| kmon | Riddell: oh. I thought he was talking about dapper :) | 10:29 |
| allee | It's there since Monday's update afair | 10:29 |
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| Lure | allee: this is what Riddell will have a fix soon | 10:29 |
| Lure | already in BTS | 10:29 |
| Riddell | ah good, allee can be another tester | 10:30 |
| Lure | Riddell: and seaLne has another, but more complicated version of the error | 10:30 |
| allee | Talking about cups fixes: will cups in dapper be able to communicate with KDE as in sarge and breezy SuSE 9* | 10:31 |
| Lure | Riddell: see bug 41151 for details | 10:31 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41151 | 10:31 |
| allee | or will cups rely on a fixed KDE printing code | 10:31 |
| kmon | Riddell: I think mark's announcement on kubuntu deservers a fridge and a dot.kde article ;) | 10:31 |
| Riddell | kmon: please send it to fridge-devel | 10:32 |
| derekS | kmon: whats his announcement | 10:32 |
| Lure | kmon: +1 - I am just sorry I am soo busy that week... :-( | 10:32 |
| kmon | Riddell: ok, I'll send it to fridge | 10:32 |
| kmon | but someone else needs to put it in dot.kde ;) | 10:32 |
| allee | derekS: http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html | 10:33 |
| derekS | allee: thanks | 10:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: I have seen that you have done some work on kmilo - is kmilo the right place to address laptop hotkeys in general for KDE? | 10:33 |
| kmon | derekS: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/40598 | 10:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:34 |
| kmon | mmmm | 10:34 |
| kmon | not that | 10:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: allee proposed to maybe have a Kubuntu Laptop xkb entry, but not sure if this can be done easily... | 10:34 |
| kmon | xD | 10:34 |
| kmon | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000071.html | 10:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am thinking if kmilo could handle such special keys... | 10:34 |
| \sh | only keys which are known to the X server via xkb extensions | 10:35 |
| allee | Lure: this xkb entry should exist and be the default for the gnome desktop for laptops | 10:35 |
| \sh | XF86Volume e.g. but not hotkeys a la laptop fn keys which are most of the time different from the known xbk settings | 10:36 |
| allee | Lure: assumed that ubuntu didn't change it's mind to generate a standard set of keysym for the same logical events | 10:36 |
| Lure | \sh: ubuntu strategy is to assigne distinc codes by hotkey-setup to same keys on different laptops | 10:36 |
| Lure | then we just need proper keysyms for X for KDE (I do not know why GNOME is not using xkb then) | 10:37 |
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| Lure | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240/Kubuntu under note 2 - GNOME works out-of-box, Kubuntu does not.. :-( | 10:38 |
| allee | Lure: gnome is not using xdb? | 10:38 |
| \sh | Lure: today I tried the hibernate button, and it worked the last time I tried it, right now it's not working anymore because of the acpi-support stuff../etc/acpi/hibernate works butthe key not because of the new structure.. I have to file a bug tomorrow morning | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I think I have the solution for that admin mode failing in kdeprint :) | 10:38 |
| kmon | Riddell: mail sent to fridge-devel, I've CC you | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | I'm releasing a fix | 10:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: cool | 10:38 |
| Lure | allee: It does not look like - it is intercepted somewhere before (xev does not catch it with proper keysym) | 10:38 |
| allee | Lure: are keycodes shown? | 10:39 |
| Lure | \sh: really - hibernate key worked for you in KDE? Never on my laptop, GNOME did most of the time | 10:39 |
| Lure | allee: not in KDE | 10:39 |
| \sh | Lure: it worked :) | 10:39 |
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| allee | Lure: no, in a gnome desktop | 10:40 |
| Lure | allee: for my HP laptop, there is a xkb layout (Compaq Armada) and I have even asked for upstream fix (that was commited), but the problem is that now Ubuntu hotkey-setup changed again... | 10:40 |
| allee | Lure: nice :( | 10:41 |
| Lure | I would really like to understand how this should work in Ubuntu and then fix it properly for KDE.... | 10:41 |
| Lure | allee: it looks like your proposal from bug 27542 is still the most likely fix | 10:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 27542 in meta-kde kde "Volume keys do not work in KDE on nw8240" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/27542 | 10:42 |
| allee | Lure: writing such an xkb should not be hard. Take your keyboard mapping and replace the keycodes with the one generated by hotkey-setup | 10:46 |
| Lure | allee: I know - I have hacked mine before the patch was accepted upstream | 10:47 |
| allee | Lure: I'm still busy with digikam* and kipi* stuff but I can do it later if noone takes it. Just remind me | 10:47 |
| Lure | allee: I am just concerned if this is what we should do (as Ubuntu/GNOME is not going that route) | 10:47 |
| Lure | allee: just du digikam - we all depend on it ;-) | 10:47 |
| Lure | s/du/do/ | 10:48 |
| Lure | I am on vacation from Thu-Tue, therefore I will be offline and will be able to explore such things ;-) | 10:48 |
| allee | Lure: well, gnome is using the keycodes directly. We just and an layer. Advantage is keycodes change we only have to fix the xkb mapping at one place ;) | 10:48 |
| Lure | I just need to download enough source packages before I leave... ;-) | 10:48 |
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| Lure | allee: but we are using layout, that users might want for something else (for example their fancy multimedia external keyboard hooked to docking station) | 10:49 |
| allee | Lure: friendly hint: if you know a bit about KDE and Qt programming the download debian's digikam and finish the media support ;) | 10:49 |
| Lure | allee: media support? | 10:50 |
| === Lure just knows C++/Python and is learning Qt/KDE fast... ;-) | ||
| allee | Lure: plugin camera, media actin selector dialog has a digikam icon, Access for digikam to media devices mount/umount ... | 10:50 |
| Lure | allee: that is boring - I am more interested in IPTC support in 0.9 ;-) | 10:51 |
| allee | Lure: most of it is implemented. Just some cornercases need to be implemented, like switch to right desktop if digikam is running | 10:51 |
| allee | Lure: 0.9 will far to late for dapper. But I'll prepare a technologie review or alpha release the an dot article can use soon | 10:53 |
| Lure | allee: I know - I just like how digikam is progressing... | 10:53 |
| kmon | Riddell: jeff waugh has responded my mail and said the article is already in the incoming queue. :) Now we only need someone to write a dot.kde article | 10:55 |
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| allee | Lure: you know? telepathy? You're not on #digikam :) | 10:55 |
| Riddell | kmon: I can't approve such a story, biased | 10:55 |
| Lure | allee: just following blogs/news/svn ;-) | 10:55 |
| kmon | Riddell: I'm an awfull writer... :) | 10:56 |
| allee | Lure: heh, you like digikam far too much. Otherwise lp would have more bug reports ;) | 10:56 |
| Lure | allee: just my priorities are elsewhere currently... ;-) | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: don't upload kdebase with my debdiff plz.... I will add another fix once tested | 10:57 |
| Lure | BTW, I would like to fix bug 18069 properly | 10:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 18069 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces file" [Normal,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/18069 | 10:57 |
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| raphink | right I haven't uploaded yet Tonio_ | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: great ;) | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: I think I have the patch for the kdeprint admin mode | 10:58 |
| raphink | oh nice :) | 10:58 |
| Lure | if there is no mention of interface in /e/n/i, then knetworkconf collects currently configured data that can be from k-n-m | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | I know you were waiting for it :) | 10:58 |
| Lure | problem is that it does not write dhcp/static/bootp in config file as it does not know what is correct | 10:58 |
| Lure | it may be that it was configured with dhcp or it may be static, but we can only assume | 10:59 |
| Lure | should we leave it to the user (dialog: please select auto/manual mode before Apply)? | 11:00 |
| === Lure wonders if I just bored you to death with this issue ;-) | ||
| Lure | raphink: did not have time to nail down korganizer yet (offshore sailing lecture was far more interesting ;-)) - might do it tonight | 11:02 |
| raphink | ah nice :) | 11:03 |
| raphink | ok | 11:03 |
| raphink | I'll be very happy if you can find what this is | 11:03 |
| raphink | :) | 11:03 |
| allee | Lure: ~ 80 commits in kdepim since 3.5.2 in kde35 branch | 11:10 |
| allee | + FWIW | 11:10 |
| Lure | allee: wow - lot's to review... | 11:11 |
| Lure | Riddell: ^^^ do we include such fixes on case-by-case bases or do we plan to do partial sync to pre-3.5.3? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | Lure: I usually prefer specific patches rather than large branch pulls | 11:12 |
| Lure | allee: do commits in stable branch require to have z b.k.o bug entry? | 11:13 |
| allee | Riddell: someone did a kdepim code review. there are lots of possible crash fixes. | 11:13 |
| === Lure is thinking where to start looking for what is there | ||
| allee | Lure: no | 11:13 |
| Lure | I though so - :-(, that is what I sometimes hate about OSS practices - missing discipline | 11:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: checkout the tag and the branch and do a diff | 11:14 |
| allee | svn log -r{release-date-of-3.5.2-minus-1-week}:HEAD path/to/kdepim/in/branches | 11:14 |
| Riddell | Lure: what missing discipline? | 11:14 |
| Lure | that stable branch would have only fixes for known bugs in BTS and not just what people feel (hard to trace for distributions like Kubuntu) | 11:15 |
| allee | Lure: if you have a fix for an access to NULL pointer it makes not sense to report it you simply fix it (not in the last week before reelase of course) | 11:16 |
| allee | Lure: I keep all commit msg to 35 branch. hard to manage is 'only' the amount of fixes and that some minor features go in to | 11:17 |
| allee | +o | 11:18 |
| Lure | allee: the only problem I see that changlog are typically not very verbose (raphlink just warned me today ;-), and then it is hard to dig if no link exist.... | 11:18 |
| Lure | allee: but I agree it is on different scale that I am used to (I manage multiple development teams from 3-20 members in may day job) | 11:19 |
| kwwii | here previews of the banner (85cmx200cm): http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-banner.jpg , kubuntu-banner2.jpg , kubuntu-banner3.jpg | 11:20 |
| kwwii | erm kubuntu-banner3.png | 11:20 |
| allee | Lure: the commit msg has rev in first line. Just take it feed it into a script or use web short to see the real diff | 11:20 |
| kwwii | we need to work on the official logos a bit, they could use it | 11:21 |
| Lure | allee: so where is RSS feed for stable branch? Is it per product or just one for svn? | 11:21 |
| Riddell | kwwii: looking lovely | 11:21 |
| kwwii | Riddell: well, check out the ubuntu ones I made: htpp://bootsplash.org/ubuntu-poster-4.jpg , ubuntu-poster-3.jpg - they are better if you ask me | 11:23 |
| Lure | kwwii: I like color layout of first one (white to blue) and kubuntu+headline of second (more tightly linked as in first) | 11:23 |
| allee | Lure. Maybe. I'm use kde-commits ml. I've seen once a service wher you can subscribe regex for kde-commits msgs. | 11:23 |
| Lure | third one is a bit strange as headline is kind of diconnected from kubuntu | 11:23 |
| allee | Lure: ah, and on #digikam is a bot that inform in realtime about commits | 11:23 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yeah, the ubuntu colour palette is lovely | 11:24 |
| Lure | allee: look like I will have to try #digikam channel after all.. ;-) | 11:24 |
| allee | Lure: lol | 11:24 |
| kwwii | Riddell: well, they have the lozenge logo, which helps a lot | 11:25 |
| Lure | kwwii: btw, where we will use this banner? | 11:25 |
| kwwii | they will be standing at the linuxtag and other conventions after that | 11:26 |
| kwwii | the first version is nifty but has too much empty space - the thing is 2 meters high | 11:26 |
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| Lure | kwwii: agree regaridng space on first - I just do not like blue stripe on right on second | 11:28 |
| kwwii | Lure: after looking at them again, I like the first one better as well :-) | 11:29 |
| kwwii | Lure: I think I will work on that one | 11:29 |
| Lure | kwwii: but I really like layout of "collaboration to the core" position on second - you want it to be very near (and alligned with) kubuntu | 11:30 |
| kwwii | Lure, yes you are right there too | 11:30 |
| kwwii | Lure: maybe you should become an artist :-) | 11:31 |
| kwwii | we could use all the help we can get | 11:31 |
| Lure | kwwii: not really, I just link to comment ;-) | 11:31 |
| kwwii | hehe, well you have a good eye | 11:31 |
| kwwii | anyone know who made the current logo? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | kwwii: which logo? | 11:32 |
| kwwii | the kubuntu logo | 11:32 |
| kwwii | the colors, I mean | 11:32 |
| kwwii | I sent Jane an email asking if I could change them :-9 | 11:32 |
| Riddell | it was basse, same guy who does konqi | 11:32 |
| kwwii | yeah, I know basse | 11:33 |
| kwwii | he is cool | 11:33 |
| kwwii | but more into 3d stuff than logos | 11:33 |
| kwwii | I would like to make a version with decent CMYK colors | 11:34 |
| kwwii | defined pantone colors, HKS or such | 11:34 |
| kwwii | ok, enough art chat in the devel channel | 11:34 |
| Riddell | kwwii: sure, go ahead if you think you can make it better | 11:36 |
| kwwii | Riddell: cool | 11:36 |
| Riddell | I plan to change the logo on the website around release candidate time to the one we made at the ui sprint http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/web-bg2.png | 11:37 |
| Lure | raphink: bug 41341 - similar to run as user issue on Alt-F2, isn't it? | 11:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 41341 in kdebase kdebase-bin "kdesu -u option broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41341 | 11:37 |
| allee | Tonio_: raphink and Zelina are now listed twice in linuxtag page | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hu ? | 11:38 |
| raphink | Lure: seems so | 11:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: when you removed the conflicts you only removed the markes but not one of the two choices | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | allee: damn..... I missed that, I'm modifying this | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | testing patches for kdebase is a pain..........; | 11:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which patches? | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have the solution for the admin mode switching failing in kdeprint | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: #39867 | 11:42 |
| Riddell | ooh? what's causing t? | 11:43 |
| Riddell | it | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: printers.desktop desktop file | 11:43 |
| Tonio_ | exec is set to kcmshell printmgr while the good command is kcmshell printers | 11:43 |
| Riddell | is this a new problem? we havn't changed that file but I've only noticed it recently | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think it was already failing about 2 month ago | 11:44 |
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| Riddell | hmm, right, that could be my fault then, I removed some of the duplicate .desktop files a while ago | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: to what I remember it is not a recent issue | 11:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: raphink upload k-d-s with shortcuts, and I also fixed gtk_qt_engine autoconfig in kdebase | 11:45 |
| Tonio_ | gnome users will not complain anymore | 11:45 |
| kwwii | Riddell: wait to change that until we have a final set of colors...I changed things in that and now that I look at it again, I think it still needs some work :-) | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so will have only one remaining bug in kdeprint, which fails loading drivers while installing a printer, and that's quite recent, it was working 2 weeks ago | 11:46 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: k-d-s, great | 11:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: how did you fix gtk_qt_engine issue and was it uploaded? | 11:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I've not heard of that kdeprint problem, do you have it? | 11:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not uploaded still and I simply changed the startkde patch, looking for startkfce4 and gnome-session files | 11:49 |
| Riddell | cool | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | if one or those is there, no files are copied to the profile | 11:50 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I will send you a global debdiff including all those changes | 11:50 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: URL preferred over e-mail, I'm behind on this backlog of e-mail | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I have the kdeprint problem, on my desktop, and on my laptop too | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | it fails loading the driver once you selected it | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | gnome-cups-manager works | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I know you don't have email access, don't mind ;) | 11:52 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I tested with two printers, a lexmark and an HP | 11:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: e-mail back now, I just have 6000 unread e-mails to process | 11:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: don't know if that fails on updated flight* installations, but I can confirm on fresh beta | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: argh !!! | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kdeprint on beta is broken, do a dist upgrade for latest cupsys and kdelibs | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I did ;) | 11:54 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no change, but I will retest | 11:55 |
| Riddell | maybe try purging cupsys and reinstalling | 11:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm currently testing ;) | 12:02 |
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