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raphink:'(12:17
raphinkooimpress can't read kpresenter .odp12:18
Lureraphink: yes, oasis still have to mature...12:21
raphinkindeed12:22
raphinkit's a shame to have such a format and miss its point like this :(12:22
raphinkbut well12:22
raphinkit'll mature soon enough :)12:22
raphinkand in the meanwhile it'll have me use koffice for my talk12:22
raphinkgo K!12:22
kmonyou need to convince riddell to use koffice 1.5.x as default in next release ;)12:27
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raphinkkmon: well i'm using it now and I must confess it's far from equaling ooo so far12:39
raphinkbut it's interesting enough12:39
raphinkjust not as productive yet12:39
kmonwhat do you miss?12:40
raphinklots of small things around12:40
raphinkright now I can't find how to properly export my presentation to pdf12:40
kmonprint it? i'm guessing....12:41
raphinkor I can't save it in microsoft formats, which can be useful sometimes12:41
raphinknope12:41
raphinkprint doesn't work well either12:41
raphinkand it won't even let me print it in landscape 12:41
kmonsupport for ms formats is a pitty12:42
kmonbut I've read somewhere the new office formats will be xml based.12:43
kmonso I think that will help a lot12:43
raphinkit is xml based12:43
raphinkopendocument12:43
kmonin the future of course....12:43
raphinkwell so far it doesn't help much12:43
raphinkI have created an odp on kpresenter12:43
raphinkand can't read it well on ooo12:43
kmona bug12:44
kmonthat's why I was suggesting koffice 1.5.x12:44
kmonanyway...12:44
kmonit won't happen12:44
kmonMaybe with koffice 212:44
kmonbut I don't see that happening with 1.512:45
raphinkno12:45
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kmonbye everyone12:46
raphinkbye12:46
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raphinksilent night02:20
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mornfallcan someone close https://launchpad.net/bugs/41230 as a dupe of something i don't know number of? (kdesu not keeping user settings or somesuch)08:25
UbugtuMalone bug 41230 in ept adept "Adept does not honor system scheme" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  08:25
mornfallthanks :)08:25
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Tonio_hey09:54
OdyXHey Tonio_09:55
Lure_hey09:55
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OdyXs/bug/big09:55
freeflyingTonio_: hi09:55
Tonio_is there a known issue with kdeprint, cups and dapper beta ?09:56
Tonio_I'm getting a 401 unauthorized error message09:56
Tonio_I absolutly need to print, since I got watter in my apartment all the night09:56
superstonedraphink, kmon: Koffice 1.5 indeed doesn't support writing to most M$ formats, and they don't intend to waste time on creating export filters. the problem with ooo opening a kpresenter file can be on both sides, oo.o isn't perfect in reading odf yet.09:56
Tonio_I need to print documents for insurances etc.......09:56
Tonio_so if there is a fix I would appreciate09:56
superstonedif print works, you can use it to print documents to pdf.09:57
Tonio_superstoned: I need paper printing ;)09:57
superstonedTonio_ try to create a root user, seems to help. but printing is a problem, riddell is trying to fix it, afaik.09:57
Tonio_okay09:58
Tonio_it was working a few days ago....09:58
Lure_Tonio_: I have fixed your WEP problem - can you test package from repo09:58
Tonio_Lure_: I saw that, thanks much ;)09:58
Tonio_can't test here since I don't have my laptop anymore09:59
Lure_Tonio_: I have another three fixes ready... ;-)09:59
Tonio_Lure_: hehe09:59
Lure_Tonio_: LPT printer or USB?09:59
Lure_There was some commit yesterday abour rights (group) that were dropped causign print problems 10:00
Tonio_superstoned: so I have to reactivate the root account, and then I should be able to configure cups with localhost:631 ?10:00
Tonio_Lure_: usb10:00
Tonio_I tried to configure it with kdesu systemsettings, but that doesn't help10:00
Lure_check permissions of /dev/ file for your printer - maybe manual change with chmod will help10:01
Lure_but it my be also cups authorization (and not device file)10:02
Tonio_Lure_: already tried, but it doesn't........10:02
Lure_Tonio_: poke pitti in #ubuntu-devel?10:02
Tonio_Lure_: maybe yes ;)10:02
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superstonedTonio_: maybe you can have a look at the groups your user is in, see if there is a print group? i can't really help you - i don't know how i got it working, and it only worked for a few days.10:04
Tonio_superstoned: supposed to work10:20
Tonio_superstoned: it apears the problem is linked to kdeprint since gnome-cups-manager works10:20
superstonedTonio_: yeah, i read some ppl complaining about it. i'm totally not familiair with kdeprint, tough...10:21
superstonedhope it can be fixed for the final release.10:21
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OdyXhey raphink10:22
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OdyXTonio_: try gnome apps...10:28
OdyXTonio_: seems bad, but could work...10:28
Tonio_hey raphink10:31
raphinkyo Tonio_10:31
Tonio_OdyX: works with gnome-cups-manager10:31
Tonio_raphink: j'ai t innond cette nuit10:31
OdyXTonio_: so for insurance papers...10:31
Tonio_fucking merde de crotte10:31
OdyXTonio_: merde...10:31
raphinkargh10:31
Tonio_OdyX: that's what I'm doing10:32
OdyXTonio_: on a 10 scale, what are the domages ?10:32
raphink:(10:32
Tonio_OdyX: no dommages........ for the moment10:32
OdyXTonio_: fiouh...10:32
Tonio_because I worked on it all the night10:33
Lure_raphink: just sent you another 3 fixes for knetworkconf...10:37
raphinkyes I saw that10:37
raphinkLure_: do you need 3 patches ?10:37
raphinkcould they be merged in one ?10:37
Lure_it is on debdiff with three patches as they address different problems10:37
raphinkok10:38
raphinkcould you be a bit more verbose in the changelog ?10:38
Lure_I thought this is better as fixes might get accepted upstream also on one-by-one basis10:38
raphinklike explain what each patch does10:38
Lure_I can - I will send you new debdiff in couple of minutes10:38
raphinkok10:38
raphinkty10:39
Tonio_raphink: can I send you a debdiff for kdebase ?10:59
Tonio_we are removing the system protocol again :)11:00
raphinkhahaha11:00
raphinkvas y envoie11:00
raphinkmais l je vais m'absenter un peu11:00
raphinkje committerai plus tard11:00
OdyXydOTonio_: ;-)11:00
Tonio_k11:00
Tonio_raphink: that's not "fun" :)11:01
OdyXTonio_: isn't it working now ?11:01
Tonio_OdyX: printing ? with gnome-cups-manager, yes11:01
Lure_raphink: improved debdiff sent...11:01
OdyXTonio_: no... system:/ protocol11:01
Tonio_OdyX: it is but it is still creating issues11:01
Tonio_that's not due to kubuntu specifically, bu to kde11:02
OdyXTonio_: lyke system:/home ??11:02
Tonio_OdyX: like with gtk apps or something11:03
Tonio_OdyX: exactly11:03
OdyXOpenOffice... :'|11:03
Tonio_OdyX: there is a fix commeted for this11:04
Tonio_commited11:04
OdyXTonio_: I just related  know exemple..11:04
OdyXI hac no problem here..11:04
OdyXs/hac/have11:05
Tonio_OdyX: kind of yes ;)11:05
Tonio_gimp also11:05
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seaLneare there new (last week or so) problems with cups?11:08
OdyXseaLne: ask Tonio_... He has some,...11:10
seaLnehttp://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups.png before print dialog then http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups2.png after and no printout11:11
seaLneTonio_: ^ ?11:12
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OdyXwho cares about amarok 1.4beta3 bugs ?11:16
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Tonio_seaLne: yes ?11:22
Lure_seaLne: you should report - I get similar but it prints see bug 4115111:28
UbugtuMalone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4115111:28
Lure_or at least append info to this bug...11:28
OdyXLure_: This could not be related with Riddell's debs ?11:29
OdyXI mean... test ones 11:29
Lure_OdyX: I thing Riddell's debs are now in offical repo11:29
OdyXOK.11:29
Lure_raphink: thanks for upload11:58
raphink:)11:58
raphinkLure_: I'm testing korganizer again11:59
raphinkit crashes on beta live11:59
raphinkeven using english11:59
raphinkso it doeesn't seem to be linked to i18n11:59
raphinkwhat I find really weird is that it doesn't crash when you choose "new task" before choosing "new event"12:00
seaLnetoday was the first day i noticed the second error, i think a few days ago i got the first error and it printed12:02
Lure_raphink: still cannot reproduce here... will try live CD on my desktop12:06
raphinkok12:06
Lure_raphink: I however experience slow dialog opening/closing which is mentioned in bug I thinl12:06
raphinkok12:07
Lure_maybe my profile has something that prevents crash ;-)12:07
raphinkhehe12:07
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raphinkeve Hobbsee12:17
Hobbseehi raphink 12:17
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Lure_raphink: still no crash on live... :-)01:09
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Lureraphink: where exactly do you select Add event - from menu or toolbar? from witch context of Kontact (calendar or to-do)?01:10
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LureThis is nice idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker01:23
OdyXPOWERFUL Lure !!!01:31
OdyXLure: just make a QT frontend.. :D01:31
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Hobbseenow that'd be cool01:34
raphinkinteresting01:37
raphinkI guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that01:37
OdyXraphink: libept... which is ever translated in FR :D01:39
raphinkhehe01:39
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Tonio_hey ;)01:44
Tonio_Sime: ping ?01:44
mornfallraphink: what?01:48
raphinkyo Tonio_01:48
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raphinkmornfall: what what?01:48
mornfallraphink:       raphink | #kubuntu-dev % I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that01:48
raphinkah for this stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker01:49
raphinkif it was ported to Qt01:49
Tonio_anyone here is using the proprietary nvidia drivers ?01:51
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OdyXTonio_: I do.01:52
HobbseeLure: you going to be around for a while?01:52
Tonio_OdyX: do you have problems with the default size font ?01:52
OdyXTonio_: yep... I reported a bug there for...01:52
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LureHobbsee: hi - yes unless I get disconnected during my knetworkconf tests ;-)01:52
Hobbseeokay01:53
Tonio_OdyX: when I use the free driver, font size is normal, but when I switch to the proprietary, fonts are getting very little01:53
OdyXTonio_: restarted X or rebooted ?01:53
Tonio_OdyX: so that I have to switch size to 12 to get back to normal size01:53
Tonio_OdyX: rebooted01:53
Tonio_and restarted01:53
Tonio_I did both01:53
OdyXTonio_: try to just restarted X.01:53
OdyXWell... 01:53
OdyXAFAIK, it depends...01:53
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LureOdyX: it is probably that one of the drivers do not calcualates DPI properly and is set to 75 (default) instead of something sane01:53
Tonio_OdyX: I just reinstalled to get a clean beta installation and that's the same issue01:53
OdyXLure: exactly...01:54
LureYou need to add DisplaySize to your Monitor section01:54
OdyXit's KDM...01:54
Tonio_Lure: probably better to discuss this with Sime I think01:54
OdyXbug 3707201:54
UbugtuMalone bug 37072 in kdebase kdm "After installing (and enabling) of nvidia-glx, KDM makes wrong DRI guesses" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3707201:54
OdyXfound it ^^^01:54
Tonio_OdyX: ah ?01:54
OdyXit's that, huh ?01:54
mornfallcommonhooker? :)01:54
mornfallall of ubuntu shares one hooker? </nasty>01:55
mornfallsomenoe's got a talent for names01:55
Tonio_isn't guidance supposed to set the xft-dpi to 96 ?01:55
Tonio_maybe there is a little bug in guidance, since I didn't got those issues 2 weeks ago01:55
Tonio_it appeared about 4 or 5 days01:55
LureOdyX: you should check whay xdpyinfo | grep resolution to see what is detected01:56
OdyXLure: I appplied my solution01:56
OdyXLure: so when should I test ?01:56
Tonio_Lure: that makes sense.... dpi are set to 75 by default, and xft-dpi are not patched to match 9601:56
OdyXLure: 01:56
OdyXxdpyinfo | grep resolution01:56
Tonio_I will discuss this with sime01:56
OdyX  resolution:    100x100 dots per inch01:56
LureOdyX: you should try first free , then binary and compare01:56
OdyXLure: This is because I set it at 100...01:57
Tonio_tonio@kubuntu:~$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution01:57
Tonio_  resolution:    75x75 dots per inch01:57
Tonio_I have 7501:57
Tonio_but as far as know, for fonts, dpi should be set to 96 by default01:57
Tonio_that is patched by guidance01:57
LureOdyX: you should not set it with -dpi, but rather like allee suggest here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet01:57
OdyXTonio_: or detected correctly...01:57
Tonio_OdyX: hu ?01:58
Tonio_maybe yes01:58
OdyXLure: Mention it in the bug report please...01:58
LureTonio_: font dpi patching is also broken is recent kde-guidance - see bug 4068301:58
UbugtuMalone bug 40683 in kde-guidance "Fonts extremely small post 21APR06 updates" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4068301:58
Lureeasy to fix though...01:58
Tonio_Ubugtu: that's exactly my problem01:59
Tonio_Lure: ahhhhhhhhhhh that's why  :)01:59
Tonio_that's a guidance issue01:59
OdyXLure: so ?? I don't get the point...01:59
LureOdyX: you should fix kde-guidance as mentioned in 40683, then you should give hint to X server in xorg.conf with DisplaySize about your screen size in order to detect DPI properly02:00
Lureand you should remove -dpi from kdmrc02:01
Tonio_ok I'm testing02:02
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HobbseeLure: well, i have good news and bad news...02:04
LureHobbsee: start with good, then I will run ;-)02:04
Hobbseehehe02:04
Tonio_that's better ;)02:05
Hobbseegood news is that on the 2.6.15-21-386 without ndiswrapper, the machine locks before it hibernates.02:05
Hobbseebad news:  it still goes back to the login window, which rather defies the point.  02:05
LureHobbsee: this is really strange bug - I have seen another report on mailing list...02:06
Hobbseealso, with the latest compiled ndiswrapper, and 2.6.15-21-686, it doesnt work adn the machine just freezes - i suspect that may be to do with ndiswrapper, which seemed to shut down teh wireless card, and eventually restart it02:06
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Hobbseei'm suspecting that ndiswrapper is the problem, i'll test that in a min...02:06
LureHobbsee: cannot help much with ndiswrapper, but I would really like to nail down this kdm logout problem02:07
OdyXndiswrapper IS a problem though.. :-\02:07
Lureyou mention that machine "locks before hibernate" - you actually see lock dialog?02:08
Tonio_I have problems on my laptop02:08
OdyXTonio_: as do I...02:08
Tonio_the machine fails to shutdown correctly sometimes02:08
Tonio_and I have to remove the battery to power it on again02:09
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Tonio_I was suspecting ndiswrapper but since it worked for month........02:09
Tonio_I don't know if that isn't also a hardware issue02:09
LureTonio_: there are similar report - it hangs where - just before terminating processes?02:09
Tonio_Lure: yes02:09
Tonio_then the only solution to shut it down properly is to remove the battery02:09
Tonio_is that what you get ?02:10
LureI have seen major discussion recently in Malone with mdz pushing hard to get this solved somehow02:10
Tonio_so that is a software related issue ?02:10
Tonio_strange.....02:10
LureTonio_: no, shutdown works for me if ATI does not hang the system before (20% chance with "ati" and 100% with "fglrx")02:10
Lure:-(02:10
Tonio_the screen shuts down, the keyboard doesn't respond02:10
HobbseeLure: yes, it goes to screensaver, if you move the mouse, it asks for a p/w, as it should02:10
Tonio_everything seems to be stoped, but the wifi led lights02:11
Hobbseeand for some reason, that didnt hibernate at all...just went to screensaver and sat there02:11
LureHobbsee: did you install the system with install CD or live CD installer?02:11
Hobbseeinstall cd, flight 402:11
Tonio_Lure: I have that just after the message "system will now halt"02:11
Tonio_that's why I was suspecting an hardware issue02:12
LureHobbsee: wild guess - can you check /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume that it points to your swap partition?02:13
Tonio_raphink: ping ?02:13
raphinkpong02:14
Tonio_raphinou je t'envoi le packet kdebase02:14
Tonio_mais sans le orig02:14
Tonio_juste le dsc et le diff oki ?02:14
Tonio_c a la demande de riddell donc tu peux uploader sans soucis02:14
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raphinkben dans ce cas envoie un debdiff02:14
raphinkce sera plus simple02:14
Tonio_raphink: faut aussi virer trash.desktop du bureau02:15
Tonio_pkoi tu l'as pas vir celui la ? il sert a qque chose ?02:15
raphinkj'ai pas trouv comment Tonio_02:15
raphinksi tu trouves je suis partant02:15
Tonio_ah ?02:15
Tonio_oki je check02:15
raphink;)02:15
raphinkil est pas install par un paquet02:15
raphinkje pense qu'il est install par un programme au run02:15
HobbseeLure: will do, give me a sec.  old school friend has rung up in search of a blank cd02:15
LureTonio_: check bug 31993 and bug 39652 (and many others)02:15
UbugtuMalone bug 31993 in acpi "Shutdown no longer powers off computer (Dapper laptop)" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3199302:15
UbugtuMalone bug 39652 in Ubuntu "laptop doesnt poweroff after shutdown on toshiba A105-S361" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3965202:15
LureHobbsee: no pb02:16
raphinkdpkg -S trash.desktop02:16
OdyXTonio_: can you hibernate with nvidia/kpowersave ?02:16
raphinkLure: I don't test within kontact02:16
raphinkLure: test running korganizer as standalone02:16
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Tonio_OdyX: I don't have my laptop here to test02:16
HobbseeLure: er.....how do i check where my swap is?02:16
OdyXTonio_: OK.02:16
raphinkTonio_: 02:16
raphink $ dpkg -S trash.desktop02:16
raphinkkdelibs-data: /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-trash.desktop02:16
raphinkkdebase-kio-plugins: /usr/share/services/kfile_trash.desktop02:16
raphinkthat's all I get02:16
Tonio_yep that's it02:17
Lurecat /proc/swaps02:17
raphinktrash.desktop is not installed by a package02:17
raphinkhence why I didn't care to remove it02:17
OdyX$ grep swap /etc/fstab02:17
OdyX?02:17
Lureraphink: will try that 02:17
Tonio_raphink: hum, strange02:17
Hobbseeraphink: yep, it's right02:17
raphinkis Ubiquity the new name of Espresso?02:17
Lureraphink: yes02:17
raphinkok02:17
Tonio_raphink: certainly created while launching kde for the first time02:18
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Tonio_sounds weird......02:18
raphinkTonio_: I guess, but no idea by what process02:18
raphinkand I don't find it worth it to find it out right now02:18
Tonio_raphink: will check and correct this also02:18
raphinkmaybe in Edgy when we have time for this02:18
Tonio_startkde maybe ?02:18
Tonio_;)02:18
raphinkhuhu02:18
Tonio_let me check this02:18
raphinkI doubt so02:18
raphinkok02:18
=== Lure is wondering if kdm/ksm writes any log that could help us understand hibernate problem
MidMarkhi to all02:19
MidMarksomeone could tell me why there are no 1.5.0.2 updates for mozillas packages?02:20
LureMidMark: probably still in review (diff is 30K LOC) :-(02:20
raphink+ it's UVF02:21
MidMarkUVF?02:21
raphink+ firefox is not a kubuntu app02:21
raphinkUpstream Version Freeze02:21
raphinkwe've been in UVF for a few months now02:21
raphinkwhich means we can't just upgrade programs when we want to02:21
MidMarkI know02:21
raphinkDapper is to be released in a month02:21
raphinkso we only update packages if it's safe and worth it02:21
MidMarkbut they are security updates02:21
raphinkMidMark: then I'm sure it will be included soon02:22
raphinkotherwise ping people on #ubuntu-devel02:22
raphinkthis is #kubuntu-devel heree02:22
MidMarkraphink: ok02:22
raphinkand our default browser is konqueror :)02:22
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raphinkwould be nice to have it wear a kubuntu one02:24
Tonio_raphink: locate directory.trash02:24
Tonio_hehe :)02:24
Tonio_seems it is this one02:24
raphinkah02:24
raphinkinteresting02:24
Tonio_it is copied and renamed when launched for the first time02:24
raphinkok02:24
Tonio_raphink: better patching kde to avoid the copy or simply not installing it ?02:25
raphinkwell you can test both02:25
raphinkI'd say remove the desktop02:25
Tonio_yep02:25
raphinkbut then test that it doesn't have kde crash on it02:25
raphinkwith a clean profile02:25
Tonio_I will try remove the file locally and create a new profile02:25
raphinkk02:26
Lureraphink: icon was replaced yesterday by kwwii's02:27
raphinkah ok :)02:27
raphinkgreat02:27
Lureit is the one you see on kubuntu.org02:28
Lureraphink: now it crashes (live CD)!02:28
raphinkhehe02:28
raphinkpfiew02:28
Lurenewer used korganizer...02:29
Lureraphink: do you want me to look into this?02:29
raphinksure if you can :)02:29
raphinkthat'd be great02:29
LureI would like to reproduce it on my laptop as everything is here (devel env) though...02:29
raphinkok02:30
Tonio_raphink: works :)02:31
Tonio_sending you the debdiff02:31
raphinkgreat Tonio_02:31
raphinkok02:31
raphinksend me all your debdiffs ;)02:31
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Tonio_raphink: I just noticed we do not have bogofilter installed by default anymore........02:35
Tonio_it was usefull for easy kmail configuration02:36
raphinkI don't want it02:36
Tonio_why ?02:36
raphinkI'd rather have spamassassin if any02:36
raphinkbogofilter doesn't triage my spam properly02:36
raphinkI've had bad experiences with it02:36
Tonio_raphink: yes, but spamassassin is a pain for resources.......02:36
Tonio_well, anyway it would be nice to have at least one antispam installed by default02:37
kwwiiRiddell: did Jane also agree to printing the broshures?02:37
raphinkI agree spamassassin kills resources02:37
raphinkbut it's the only one that works properly02:37
Tonio_raphink: otherwise don't be surprised people use thunderbird02:37
raphinkbogofilter would put personal messages as spam02:37
raphinkand I don't want users to see their emails put in spam just because they have contacts using yahoo or hotmail02:37
Tonio_raphink: bogofilter required a longuer scanning time, but works nicelly then02:37
Tonio_but you have to tag for a few days, I agree02:38
Tonio_what else could be installed ?02:38
Tonio_raphink: to me bogofilter is nice, really02:38
Tonio_not as good as K9 which is the best antispam I've seen but quite correct02:38
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Tonio_raphink: what else does kmail manage ?02:39
=== Lure running korganizer under valgrind...
raphinkno idea02:39
raphinkLure: hehe02:39
Lureraphink: so many errors reported that it is a shame... :-(02:42
Tonio_raphink: I think that should be discussed tomorrow02:42
raphinkok02:42
Lureraphink: there are for sure false positives, but still...02:42
Tonio_cause that will make people switching to thunderbird, for sure02:42
raphinkTonio_: we can talk about that on thursday02:42
Tonio_and we don't want that ;)02:42
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LureTonio_: their bad if they switch - no support from great Kubuntu team ;-)02:43
Tonio_raphink: having it installed by default doesn't mean using it02:43
raphinksure02:43
OdyXTonio_: korganizer ?? bad ?02:43
Tonio_you can still install spamassassin and configure kmail to use it02:43
Tonio_OdyX nope kmail02:43
OdyXTonio_: well.. it works...02:43
OdyXmainly02:44
Tonio_raphink: to me installing bogofilter by default just makes it faster to configure kmail, that's all02:44
Tonio_and honneslty people who use an antispam tool take the risk to loose mails02:44
raphinksure02:44
Lureraphink: valgrind complains: "More than 100000 total errors detected. I'm not reporting any more."02:44
raphinkouch02:45
Tonio_raphink: do you know why bogofilter doesn't for you ?02:45
=== Lure is scared that his mail/calendar is stored in such app...
Tonio_because you only tag spams02:45
Tonio_you have to tag good messages to make it work properly :)02:45
raphinkah 02:45
raphinkic02:45
raphinkI have tons of good messges02:45
raphinkhundreds a day02:45
Tonio_cause it works better when it has both white and black lists ;)02:45
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Tonio_c'est logique coco :)02:45
raphinkoui02:46
=== mornfall uses crm114 :-)
Tonio_spamassassin is less sensitive, I agree with you, but as it kills resources........02:46
HobbseeLure: hmmm...interesting02:46
Hobbseesame problems with 2.6.15-21-686 as the -386 version02:46
mornfallhmm, i have 1700 new spams02:46
mornfalli haven't seen yet02:46
LureHobbsee: did klaptop work for you anytime?02:46
mornfallin spam.confident02:46
OdyX_for me... it works pretty well with Spamassassin...02:46
Tonio_mornfall: I personnaly use amavisd with spamassassin02:47
Tonio_but that's not adapted to a desktop usage, honnestly ;)02:47
HobbseeLure: er...no, not that i recall.  it may have done once, early in the release cycle.  kpowersave worked perfectly for a while though02:47
Tonio_best antispam is by far sbl/rbl lists02:47
Tonio_I don't know why they are not used widely by email providers.......02:48
OdyX_Lure: I changed my screen stuff... I get something funny..02:48
OdyX_Lure: http://pastebin.com/68083602:48
Tonio_raphink: got the debdiff ?02:48
OdyX_that's a bug, huh Lure ?02:48
raphinkyes02:48
mornfallcrm is too good for me to inspect spam.confident02:48
Tonio_raphink: don't upload plz ;)02:48
raphinkpour kdebase Tonio_?02:48
raphinkah ok02:48
Tonio_I have another modification to provide02:48
raphinkok02:48
raphinkfine02:48
raphinkI'll wait02:48
Tonio_I have to improve the gtk_qt_engine default installation02:49
mornfallsomething like a hundred spams a day, well, umm02:49
freeflying-ibookraphink: may I upload new package to universe now?02:49
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: no02:49
Tonio_mornfall: I got 700 spams a day02:49
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: unless you have the authorization from above02:49
mornfallTonio_: heh, that's extreme02:49
Tonio_when I started using sbl/rbl lists, it went to 2 maximum02:49
Tonio_mornfall: and I never lost a message :)02:49
freeflying-ibookraphink: who can give?02:50
Tonio_and that doesn't require any config02:50
raphinkkamion, elmo..02:50
mornfallTonio_: no, with those lists it's that you don't know when you lose messages :)02:50
Tonio_mornfall: extremely lightweight, since it uses dns02:50
LureOdyX: it looks like stupid binary driver does not respect DisplaySize02:50
Tonio_mornfall: yes true, but I never heard about a lost message :)02:50
OdyXLure: If not gives in kdmrc...02:50
mornfallTonio_: i usually just pretend people whose rbl filters think i am spammer don't exist02:50
LureOdyX: which size of display do you have in inch?02:50
Tonio_mornfall: and I monitored it for my company for a complete week (15000 messages to look in postfix logs), was about the perfection02:51
OdyXLure: I have a 1920x1200 that displays correctly at 100DPI... but nothing to get it's real size02:51
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: do you have nice skim screenshots in kubuntu?02:51
raphinkwith the default look02:51
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mornfallTonio_: well, let's also note that you can't treat mailing list spam with that02:51
freeflying-ibookraphink: http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/02:51
Tonio_raphink: we should patch the skim desktop file02:51
Tonio_it is not correctly implemented actually, no genericname etc.....02:52
OdyXLure: what's the best to do ???02:52
raphinkwhat for?02:52
raphinkah02:52
Tonio_raphink: cause there is a standatd02:52
raphinksure02:52
mornfallTonio_: only about 1/3rd of spam i get is addressed to my primary mail02:52
raphinkfreeflying-ibook could do that ;)02:52
Tonio_capital first letter fir name etc........02:52
mornfallfor which i control smtp02:52
Tonio_mornfall: MLs ?02:52
LureOdyX: did you fix kde-guidance script - then stay with -dpi + this fix02:53
Tonio_ah !!!!!!!!! kmplayer went to main finally ;)02:53
Tonio_great02:53
mornfallTonio_: university, debian, ...02:53
freeflying-ibookraphink: ?02:53
OdyXLure: you wait ME to fix it ??02:53
=== OdyX wonders where Lure get these ideas...
mornfall10% of spam is to uni address which i need to read but can't control02:53
OdyXmornfall: IMAP ?02:53
mornfallOdyX: what's with imap?02:54
mornfallit exists yeah02:54
mornfall:-)02:54
LureOdyX: this is -devel channel, so it is expected yes ;-)02:54
OdyXLure: Well... OK...02:54
freeflying-ibookraphink: you can not access here http://ftp.ubuntu.org.cn/scrothots/skim/02:54
OdyXLure: apt-get source kde-guidance ??02:54
LureOdyX: it is a simple fix, you just need to add one line to one file with editor02:54
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: ah02:54
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: could you send me the pics ?02:54
OdyXLure: but fix it for Dapper or for me ?02:54
freeflying-ibookraphink: ok02:55
OdyXmornfall: I was just wondering why you said "can't control"02:55
LureOdyX: just for you until Dapper will get new version (Sime is working on it)02:55
raphinkwell it's ok I got in it freeflying-ibook02:55
mornfallOdyX: well, if you can change your university smtp configuration, why not02:55
mornfallOdyX: *i* can't02:55
mornfallOdyX: (wrt anti-spam measures)02:56
raphinkah can't see the pics though02:56
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: just send me the pics please :)02:56
mornfall--> food02:56
raphinkso I can talk about CJK support a bit02:56
freeflying-ibookraphink: nope02:56
OdyXmornfall: we have an anti spam on our IMAP boxes...02:56
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: preferably small images :)02:56
raphinkjust to illustrate a slide02:56
mornfallOdyX: so what02:57
mornfallOdyX: that doesn't make me any more able to change it02:57
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OdyX_mornfall: so just misunderstood....02:57
freeflying-ibookheh, my konqueror crashes often02:57
LureOdyX: open sudo kate /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore02:58
freeflying-ibookraphink: I;d mail you tomorror02:59
raphinkty02:59
=== Lure did I scare OdyX with sudo thing? ;-)
OdyXLure: ?? No....03:00
OdyXLure: just killing my :1 test...03:00
Lureok, I though you left03:00
Lurenow go to line 2203:00
Lureand add new line saying "import syslog"03:00
raphinkactually I've found one freeflying-ibook so it's ok03:00
Luresave and restart you KDM session03:00
alleeLure: about tons of error, there are 'hundreds' of simple bug fixes in kde3_5_branch.  Have not checked who many for korganizer :(03:01
freeflying-ibookraphink: okey, I'm suffering the crash on ppc now 03:01
Tonio_hum, what is the gnome equivalent of startkde or startkfce4 ?03:01
Tonio_gnome-session ?03:01
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: ah?03:01
OdyXLure: thanks.03:01
OdyXLure: trying...03:01
Lureallee: hi!03:01
freeflying-ibookraphink: konqueror krita and others03:01
OdyXLure: should I let DisplaySize in xorg.conf ?03:02
raphinkfreeflying-ibook: really?03:02
Lureallee: when is 3.5.3?03:02
raphinkI don't have crashes03:02
alleehi.   I got a ping due to 'DPI' mentioned ;)03:02
alleeLure: not planed yet AFAIK03:02
Lureallee: DPI DPI DPI DPI...03:02
alleeping ping ping ping ....03:02
Lureso that is the keyword... ;-)03:02
Hobbseeheh03:02
alleeLure one oh dozend ;)03:02
allees/oh/of/03:03
Tonio_what is the primary gnome binary file ?03:03
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freeflying-ibookraphink: ya03:04
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alleeLure: about the bugs.  If there interest, one could check if debian still included branch pulls and their experience03:06
alleeLure: one they talked about removing them, 'cause a temprary bug in branch got pulled and upset quite some people.03:06
alleeLure: on the other hand since I follow kde35 commits, I can hardly beleave that KDE does not crash every second :)03:07
Lure:-(03:08
Lureallee: currently I am faster in fixing bugs myself than finding my way in kde svn, bugzilla...03:08
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alleeLure: yeah, it's much easier to just pull branch and get dozend - hunderts bugs fixed [with the risk to get a few new bugs :) ] 03:09
Lureallee: yes, but that is Riddell's call - and he is not around ;-)03:10
alleeLure: do you commit your fixes to kde svn?  I don't remember you03:10
Lureallee: no - my first fix for KDE was probably 2 weeks ago when I helped Tonio with kmplayer03:11
Lure;-)03:11
LureI have just asked Riddell today what is the process to get this upstream...03:11
alleeLure: usually send if you new to the app.  Send to the right -devel list of bts.  If the bug is trival and your sure fix is right do it directly ;)03:13
Lurewhat do you mean "directly"?03:14
alleeuh,oh  first part is crap03:14
alleedirectly == svn commit03:14
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Lureallee: anybody can get svn write rights?03:15
Lureallee: I will go with mailing lists but this needs time to find right target - it would be nice if we would have this in Launchpad and would just attach patch there and would go to upstream (whoever) automatically03:16
alleeLure: yeah, doin' things twice in lp and b.k.o is boring and error prone.03:19
alleeLure: afair send an e-mail to sysadmin@kde.org.03:20
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alleeLure: or ask Riddel to do it.  having someone, known by KDE guys, recommending you, speed things up (usually next one,two days)03:23
alleebbl03:23
Lureallee: thanks 03:23
alleeahh and last but not least hi and bye to Tonio_ raphink Hobbsee et al03:24
raphinkhi allee03:24
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Hobbseehi allee 03:31
Tonio_allee: ^^03:31
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jjesseriddell any idea on when i can get espresso images w/o beta in them to include in the book?04:01
OdyXjjesse: compile it yourself ?04:02
Hobbseejjesse: riddell's not here...04:02
jjesseHobbsee: d'oh just noticed that04:02
Hobbsee:P04:02
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jjesseOdyX: if i compile it myself will the images not have beta in them?04:03
OdyXjjesse: no... 04:03
OdyXjjesse: you should edit the code to remove beta...04:03
jjesseOdyX: ummm how do i do that :P04:04
OdyXjjesse: dunno...04:05
OdyXjjesse: I'm about to leave... But I could give a sight...04:05
jjessehmm looking at wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperBeta that i did, only the first image has "This is a beta version" text04:06
OdyXjjesse: Why not erasing it in a photoshop-like ?04:07
jjesseOdyX: going to try that04:08
OdyXjjesse: want me to do it... it's ten seconds...04:08
jjesseOdyX: took care of it already04:13
jjesseOdyX: thanks for the suggestion :)04:13
OdyXjjesse: OK. Fine then.04:13
Tonio_OdyX: in the kde world, we don't say "photoshop-like" but "krita" ;)04:16
OdyXTonio_: I know.. but Krita is slow... :D04:16
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Tonio_OdyX: all graphical editors are slow04:17
Tonio_although I agree gimp is fastest than krita04:17
OdyXTonio_: but gimp is faster (a lot...) than krita.04:17
OdyXgrillaid04:17
Tonio_OdyX: kulay !!!!04:17
Tonio_ah non ca va c moi qui t'ai grilled ;)04:18
Tonio_OdyX: but krita has a "human readable" gui :)04:22
Tonio_which is important too04:22
Tonio_honnestly, the gimp ugly UI isn't a legend to me04:22
OdyXclear...04:23
OdyXbad habit of different windows...04:23
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sabdflhey all04:23
Hobbseehi sabdfl 04:24
sabdfli want to mail an invitation to Kubuntu and KDE community members to come to LinuxTag on May 6 to chart the future of kubuntu04:24
sabdflwhich mailing lists would you recommend?04:24
=== OdyX prosterns.
Hobbseekubuntu devel and kubuntu users, i would expect...04:24
Hobbseethose are the ones that most people subscribe too, if they subscribe at all04:25
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Hobbseehi again Riddell 04:25
Hobbseesabdfl: ^ if you didnt see04:26
sabdflRiddell: i'm going to mail that invite to -announce could you bounce to Kubuntu and KDE places please?04:26
Hobbseesabdfl: if he doesnt, i'll try to remember to (*writes note in background*)04:27
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Riddellsabdfl: my e-mail is down, so it may not be a prompot bounce04:29
OdyXBye all.04:29
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superstonedbye04:37
sabdfldid that make it through?04:49
Hobbseesabdfl: the annoucement on ubuntu-annoucement?04:50
sabdflHobbsee: yup04:50
Hobbseehasnt come through here yet... (darn the redirects)04:51
sabdflRiddell: could you +1 that mail to kubuntu-devel please?04:51
Hobbseeit's there now...04:52
Hobbseeon announce04:53
Hobbseeoh crud...must sleep...and deliver car in tomorrow...night all04:56
Riddellsabdfl: it'll reject it if you're not subscribed, try sending again I added a filter for @ubuntu.com and @canonical.com04:56
Tonio_Riddell: since both you and sabdfl are there, what is the decided standard shortcuts for tabs switching ?04:57
Tonio_Riddell: I looked and it is pretty easy to implement with k-d-s04:57
sabdflRiddell: sent04:58
Tonio_I can do it right now if ctrl + pgup/pgdown is the decided thing04:58
RiddellTonio_: control + pgup/pgdown was what sabdfl suggested, seems sensible to me04:59
Riddellalthough no doubt it'll clash with something04:59
Tonio_Riddell: that's an issue, yes, I have to look carefully for every application set04:59
Riddellyes, konsole uses control-page up/down for scrolling05:00
Tonio_Riddell: why not making usage of special/win key05:00
Riddellmy laptop doesn't have a win key :)05:00
Tonio_Riddell: ibm ? :)05:00
Riddellyes05:00
Tonio_hehe, or maybe ctrl + alt + pgup05:01
sabdflRiddell: it clashes with gedit a little, thats paragraph up/down05:01
Tonio_Riddell: removing ctrl + pgup from konsole ? that's not nice to me, but well, if we decide this as a standard.....05:01
Tonio_sabdfl: why not ctrl + alt instead of simply ctrl ?05:02
Tonio_Riddell: ctrl + page up/down isn't defined here with konsole, on a fresh beta installation05:05
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that personnal settings ?05:05
Riddellyou sure?  make sure you're using a screen that can be scrolled05:05
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Tonio_Riddell: scrolling is maj + page up/down05:05
Tonio_at least on my default installation05:05
Riddellmaj?05:05
Tonio_sorry, shift :)05:05
Tonio_maj is french translation05:06
Tonio_shift + page up/down is the default here05:07
RiddellTonio_: yes, you're right05:08
RiddellTonio_: so control-pageup/down good with me05:08
Tonio_Riddell: I don't see any conflict concerning those 4 apps, but I agree with it can issues with others05:08
Tonio_Riddell: okay I'm adding this right now05:09
Tonio_Riddell: I patched the gtk_qt autoconfig in startkde05:10
Tonio_Riddell: files will not be copied if kfce of gnome are installed05:10
Tonio_Riddell: raphink has the debdiff (as you were not here), he will upload05:11
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freeflying-ibookTonio_: ping05:12
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: pong ?05:13
freeflying-ibookTonio_: is ktranslator maintained by you?05:13
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: I packages it initially05:13
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: not sure the actual version is mine, let me check05:14
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: yes it is05:14
freeflying-ibookTonio_: it's need dependent on dictd05:14
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: oups !!05:14
freeflying-ibookTonio_: you seems forget it heh05:14
Tonio_didn't I hadded it ?05:14
Tonio_damn....... great, let me change this :)05:14
freeflying-ibookthanks05:15
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: dict or dict-client ?05:15
freeflying-ibookTonio_: dictd05:15
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Tonio_freeflying-ibook: ho dictd05:15
freeflying-ibookTonio_: at least Suggests05:17
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: recommands is better I think05:17
Tonio_but that's not a depends thing05:17
freeflying-ibookTonio_: I prefer to depends ,heh05:18
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: doesn't it work without it ?05:18
freeflying-ibookdictd format dictionary are more common than others05:18
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: true, so let's add depends05:19
freeflying-ibooknice,  :)05:19
freeflying-ibookTonio_: seems you'd add festival and gocr to Suggests05:21
Tonio_freeflying-ibook: yep05:22
freeflying-ibookok, nites all05:23
sabdfldid that mail hit kubuntu-devel?05:28
robotgeekhowdy sabdfl 05:28
robotgeeksabdfl: yup, got it. i'm sure this will get onto digg or something05:29
sabdflcool, thanks05:30
jjesseif we can't make it to linuxtag will there be a way to contribute to the converstation?05:34
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jpatrickmoin05:41
jjesseanyone ever tried to use espresso in vmplayer?  i just closes out when I get to the disk section05:41
jpatrickRiddell: maybe we can upload kexi-mdb now? (now that 1.5 is in)05:42
Riddelljpatrick: yeah, well remembered05:45
LureRiddell: are daily live CD's now more trustful (in regards partitions)?05:45
Riddelljpatrick: is it in revu?05:45
jpatrickRiddell: not yt05:45
jpatrickRiddell: just got to rebuild it to make sure it works05:45
RiddellLure: there was still an error in the installer yesterday (unrelated), not sure if an upload has been done to fix that05:45
LureRiddell: ok, will wait until next week then (when back from vacation)05:46
mornfallrobotgeek: good that you like it :)05:46
robotgeekmornfall: easy to use and all the nice stuff05:46
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mornfallrobotgeek: well, it's not that hard, maybe you could contribute code? :-))05:54
robotgeekmornfall: is it c++? (i have to learn)05:55
mornfallyeah, c++05:55
mornfallwhat else :)05:55
robotgeek:)05:56
Riddelladept?  make sure you know about C++ templates before playing with that :)05:56
mornfallRiddell: why, you have looked? :P05:56
mornfallnot that adept itself is too heavy on templates05:57
jpatrickRiddell: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/68113205:57
mornfallconsidering you can't have a template with signals/slots05:57
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Riddellmornfall: I've watched it compiling many a time05:57
mornfallheh05:57
mornfallokey05:57
mornfallgcc error output is sometimes... lovely05:58
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm testing new k-d-s and give you a url for debdiff06:24
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Tonio_cool I can go to linuxtag on 06 ;)07:07
Tonio_hehe07:07
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Tonio_jpatrick: :(07:08
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kwwiidoes Riddell have vacation today?07:32
kwwiifirst time I can think of that he is not in chat :-)07:32
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jjessedon't remember if i asked, but anyone try to use espresso in vm player to install to a disk?08:07
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jjessedo we need to keep a bug that deals with a flight4 live cd open?08:16
crimsundepends if it has been closed08:17
crimsuns/closed/fixed/08:17
jjessestill as "unconfirmed" but i'm not experiencing the same problem on my live cd08:18
crimsunadding that as a comment is helpful08:18
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raphinkkwwii: will you be in linuxtag?08:44
kwwiiraphink: yes08:44
raphinkkwwii: where do you come from?08:44
kwwiiraphink: I live near Bamberg in Ober-Franken, northern Bavaria in Germany08:45
raphinkic08:45
raphink:)08:45
raphinkI'll be glad to see you there :)08:45
kwwiibut I am American08:45
kwwii;-)08:46
raphinkok08:46
raphinkthat happens even to nice people sometimes ;)08:46
raphinkhehe08:46
kwwiihaha08:46
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kwwii:-)09:10
alleeabout linuxtag:  Anything special to do to participate in the 'Kubuntu's Future' session Mark mentined?09:11
kwwiiI did not even know about that 09:11
kwwiiwhen did he mention it?09:11
robotgeekkwwii: morning today09:11
alleekwwii: see *-devel lists09:11
alleekwwii: or http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html :)09:13
kwwiiallee: cool, thanks09:13
kwwiiwow09:14
kwwiicool09:14
kwwiiI wonder who will show up for the artwork :-)09:14
alleekwwii: not me!  or not one CD will be sold  (no smiley here!)09:15
kwwiilol09:16
kwwiithink I will subscribe to that list09:17
Tonio_allee: will you be there on 04/06 ?09:24
Tonio_raphink: ping ?09:25
alleeI'll ask tomorrow to the there for the complete linux tag09:25
alleeah that's Wednesday to Saturday09:26
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Tonio_allee: nice ;)09:27
Tonio_allee: I'll be there saturday only, since I can't take vacations09:27
Tonio_but saturday is for us the most interesting day, so that's fine09:27
Tonio_hey \sh ;)09:28
alleeheh, still have to ask if institute pay for it.  Otherwise it may there only saturday too ;)09:28
\shhey Tonio_09:28
allee'olla \sh09:29
\shgugucks allee :)09:29
Tonio_I will have the oportunity to train my german :)09:29
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Tonio_I was probably the worst german student of all my school :)09:29
alleeTonio_: then don't listen to me (horrible acent)09:30
Tonio_allee: ;)09:30
alleeStill possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again?09:30
\shand I was a terrible french language student :)09:30
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Tonio_\sh: hehe09:31
kmonkwwii: The new adept notify icon looks great :)09:31
kmoncan someone confirm if openoffice draw appears both in office & graphics menu items?09:32
alleekmon: yes it does09:33
kmonknown bug?09:33
alleekmon no idea09:34
alleeTonio_, raphink: [21:30]  <allee> Still possible to ask for debian SYNC (bug fix releases) or did I miss a deadline again?09:34
kwwiikmon: I didn't know that Riddell put it in yet :-) good to hear09:34
kmonkwwii: it's very nice09:35
kwwiicool :-)09:35
Tonio_allee: It is possible, but that requires an uvf exception09:35
Tonio_allee: and therefore a good reason (big bugfixes or something)09:36
alleeTonio_: ok, so 'usual' UVF bug report and assigning to 'archive team'?09:36
Tonio_allee: so if you're ready to make the uvfe ;)09:36
Tonio_allee: you need to create a launchpad bug, let me give you an example09:36
alleeTonio_: yes uploaded to debian last night09:36
kmonallee: can you please confirm the bug 41360 ?09:38
UbugtuMalone bug 41360 in openoffice.org "openoffice draw appears twice in the kde menu: on office & graphics" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4136009:38
OdyXydOkmon: I can.09:38
kmonOdyXydO: Thanxs09:39
OdyXydOkmon: Done09:39
alleekmon: done09:39
kmonI have another bug but I don't know if it's just me...09:39
Tonio_allee: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdbus/+bug/3434109:39
UbugtuMalone bug 34341 in kdbus "UVF Exception 0.8.2 -> 0.8.6" [Normal,Fix released]  09:39
Tonio_you need to provide debdiff, difstat and pbuilder output too09:40
kmonon my amd64 machine openoffice doesn't use kde widgets for scrollbars09:40
alleeTonio_: Thx09:40
kmonanyone here can confirm it?09:40
Tonio_kmon: let me have a look09:41
kmonTonio_: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/4059809:42
kmonI have a screenshot attached09:42
Tonio_kmon: confirmed09:42
UbugtuMalone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  09:42
kmoncould you please confirm it in launchpad?09:43
Tonio_kmon: done ;)09:43
kmonTonio_: Thanks09:43
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AnsiChello10:07
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derekShey, i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, and it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop... is that a known bug (using breezy)10:15
derekSthe packages that really concern me that it wants to remove are "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword"10:17
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Tonio_allee: kcmshell kcm_printmgr10:20
Tonio_does it work for you ?10:20
Tonio_allee: the module is there, but it doesn't want to open, and printmgr.la is missing10:21
LureTonio_: kcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'.10:21
Tonio_Lure: I think that's the reason administrator fails10:21
Tonio_;)10:21
Tonio_since it uses that command10:21
Tonio_let me test10:21
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Tonio_Lure: it appears the module should be printmgr.la and printmgr.so files10:22
Tonio_they are not there, so that could explain the admin mode failing10:23
Tonio_Riddell: re ;)10:23
LureTonio_: but this is not SysSettings module, isn't it?10:23
alleeallee(0) ~ $ kcmshell kcm_printmgr10:23
alleekcmshell (kdelibs): WARNING: Could not find module 'kcm_printmgr'.10:23
alleeallee(0) ~ $ locate kcm_print10:23
allee/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.la10:23
allee/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_printmgr.so10:23
Lureas that one works for me10:23
Tonio_Lure: it is10:23
Riddellhi Tonio_, raphink 10:23
raphinkhi Riddell10:23
Tonio_allee: sounds strange !10:23
Riddellanything happening at tech board I should know about?10:23
Lurebut that one works (beside the successful-ok warning)10:24
derekSRiddell: i was told to ask you this question. i am using an up to date breezy install, and i am trying to remove libgtk2.0-0, however it also wants to remove "koffice kubuntu-desktop kword"... is this a bug?10:24
Tonio_allee: according to what I see, the files are supposed to be printmgr.la, not kcm_printmgr10:24
LureRiddell: should you know better than we? ;-)10:24
Tonio_Riddell: can you upload the new k-d-s ? standard tab switching in it and working10:24
RiddellLure: I have a patch for the successful-ok thing, I'll give you a poke when I have it compiled so you can test it10:25
alleeallee[0]  ~ # kcmshell --list | grep print10:25
alleeprinters               - Printing system configuration (printers, jobs, classes, ...)10:25
LureRiddell: today? I am just in tommorow then I am offline until Tue10:25
Tonio_allee: great ;)10:25
RiddellderekS: kubuntu-desktop needed it for gstreamer, not sure why koffice would need it10:25
Tonio_allee: the admin mode is using the desktop file whose command isn't the good one10:26
Tonio_allee: /usr/share/applications/kde/printers.desktop10:26
derekSRiddell: so you would reccomend against removing it?10:26
alleeTonio_: heh, kcmshell printers -> error dialog: an error occored ... : ok-sucessful :)10:26
RiddellderekS: why would you want to?10:26
Tonio_allee: look at this, I'm about certain if we change the exec line to kcmshell printers, that will do the job ;)10:26
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derekSRiddell: no need to have gtk on my comp :)10:27
LureTonio_: and who is calling kcm_printmgr?10:27
Tonio_Lure: no idea10:27
Luredesktop file? But who uses that desktop file?10:28
alleeTonio_: 10:28
alleeAn error occurred while retrieving the printer list. Error message received from manager:10:28
alleesuccessful-ok10:28
kmonRiddell: I though kubuntu used xine, not gstreamer10:28
Tonio_allee: yes that's nice, old bug now resolved10:28
Riddellkmon: it used gstreamer in breezy10:28
alleeand on every ^P: 10:28
alleeAn error occurred while retrieving the printer list:10:28
alleesuccessful-ok10:28
derekSRiddell: so if i upgrade to dapper, i should be ok without gtk?10:28
kmonRiddell: oh. I thought he was talking about dapper :)10:29
alleeIt's there since Monday's update afair10:29
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Lureallee: this is what Riddell will have a fix soon10:29
Lurealready in BTS10:29
Riddellah good, allee can be another tester10:30
LureRiddell: and seaLne has another, but more complicated version of the error10:30
alleeTalking about cups fixes: will cups in dapper be able to communicate with KDE as in sarge and breezy SuSE 9*10:31
LureRiddell: see bug 41151 for details10:31
UbugtuMalone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4115110:31
alleeor will cups rely on a fixed KDE printing code10:31
kmonRiddell: I think mark's announcement on kubuntu deservers a fridge and a dot.kde article ;)10:31
Riddellkmon: please send it to fridge-devel10:32
derekSkmon: whats his announcement10:32
Lurekmon: +1 - I am just sorry I am soo busy that week... :-( 10:32
kmonRiddell: ok, I'll send it to fridge10:32
kmonbut someone else needs to put it in dot.kde ;)10:32
alleederekS:  http://rafb.net/paste/results/HaObA317.html10:33
derekSallee: thanks10:33
LureRiddell: I have seen that you have done some work on kmilo - is kmilo the right place to address laptop hotkeys in general for KDE?10:33
kmonderekS: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org-amd64/+bug/4059810:34
UbugtuMalone bug 40598 in openoffice.org-amd64 "in kubuntu openoffice doesn't use kde's native scrollbar's & themes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  10:34
kmonmmmm10:34
kmonnot that10:34
LureRiddell: allee proposed to maybe have a Kubuntu Laptop xkb entry, but not sure if this can be done easily...10:34
kmonxD10:34
kmonhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000071.html10:34
LureRiddell: I am thinking if kmilo could handle such special keys...10:34
\shonly keys which are known to the X server via xkb extensions10:35
alleeLure: this xkb entry should exist and be the default for the gnome desktop for laptops10:35
\shXF86Volume e.g. but not hotkeys a la laptop fn keys which are most of the time different from the known xbk settings10:36
alleeLure: assumed that ubuntu didn't change it's mind to generate a standard set of keysym for the same logical events10:36
Lure\sh: ubuntu strategy is to assigne distinc codes by hotkey-setup to same keys on different laptops10:36
Lurethen we just need proper keysyms for X for KDE (I do not know why GNOME is not using xkb then)10:37
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LureSee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/HPNW8240/Kubuntu under note 2 - GNOME works out-of-box, Kubuntu does not.. :-(10:38
alleeLure: gnome is not using xdb?10:38
\shLure: today I tried the hibernate button, and it worked the last time I tried it, right now it's not working anymore because of the acpi-support stuff../etc/acpi/hibernate works butthe key not because of the new structure.. I have to file a bug tomorrow morning10:38
Tonio_allee: I think I have the solution for that admin mode failing in kdeprint :)10:38
kmonRiddell: mail sent to fridge-devel, I've CC you10:38
Tonio_I'm releasing a fix10:38
alleeTonio_: cool10:38
Lureallee: It does not look like - it is intercepted somewhere before (xev does not catch it with proper keysym)10:38
alleeLure: are keycodes shown?10:39
Lure\sh: really - hibernate key worked for you in KDE? Never on my laptop, GNOME did most of the time10:39
Lureallee: not in KDE10:39
\shLure: it worked :)10:39
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alleeLure: no, in a gnome desktop10:40
Lureallee: for my HP laptop, there is a xkb layout (Compaq Armada) and I have even asked for upstream fix (that was commited), but the problem is that now Ubuntu hotkey-setup changed again...10:40
alleeLure: nice :(10:41
LureI would really like to understand how this should work in Ubuntu and then fix it properly for KDE....10:41
Lureallee: it looks like your proposal from bug 27542 is still the most likely fix10:42
UbugtuMalone bug 27542 in meta-kde kde "Volume keys do not work in KDE on nw8240" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/2754210:42
alleeLure: writing such an xkb should not be hard.  Take your keyboard mapping and replace the keycodes with the one generated by hotkey-setup10:46
Lureallee: I know - I have hacked mine before the patch was accepted upstream10:47
alleeLure: I'm still busy with digikam* and kipi* stuff but I can do it later if noone takes it. Just remind me10:47
Lureallee: I am just concerned if this is what we should do (as Ubuntu/GNOME is not going that route)10:47
Lureallee: just du digikam - we all depend on it ;-)10:47
Lures/du/do/10:48
LureI am on vacation from Thu-Tue, therefore I will be offline and will be able to explore such things ;-)10:48
alleeLure: well, gnome is using the keycodes directly. We just and an layer.  Advantage is keycodes change we only have to fix the xkb mapping at one place ;)10:48
LureI just need to download enough source packages before I leave... ;-)10:48
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Lureallee: but we are using layout, that users might want for something else (for example their fancy multimedia external keyboard hooked to docking station)10:49
alleeLure: friendly hint: if you know a bit about KDE and Qt programming the download debian's digikam and finish the media support ;)10:49
Lureallee: media support?10:50
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alleeLure: plugin camera, media actin selector dialog has a digikam icon,  Access for digikam to media devices  mount/umount ...10:50
Lureallee: that is boring - I am more interested in IPTC support in 0.9 ;-)10:51
alleeLure: most of it is implemented.  Just some cornercases need to be implemented, like switch to right desktop if digikam is running10:51
alleeLure: 0.9 will far to late for dapper.  But I'll prepare a technologie review or alpha release the an dot article can use soon10:53
Lureallee: I know - I just like how digikam is progressing...10:53
kmonRiddell: jeff waugh has responded my mail and said the article is already in the incoming queue. :) Now we only need someone to write a dot.kde article10:55
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alleeLure: you know?  telepathy?  You're not on #digikam :)10:55
Riddellkmon: I can't approve such a story, biased10:55
Lureallee: just following blogs/news/svn ;-)10:55
kmonRiddell: I'm an awfull writer... :)10:56
alleeLure: heh, you like digikam far too much.  Otherwise lp would have more bug reports ;)10:56
Lureallee: just my priorities are elsewhere currently... ;-)10:57
Tonio_raphink: don't upload kdebase with my debdiff plz....  I will add another fix once tested10:57
LureBTW, I would like to fix bug 18069 properly10:57
UbugtuMalone bug 18069 in kdeadmin knetworkconf "Syntax error in /etc/network/interfaces file" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/1806910:57
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raphinkright I haven't uploaded yet Tonio_10:57
Tonio_raphink: great ;)10:57
Tonio_raphink: I think I have the patch for the kdeprint admin mode10:58
raphinkoh nice :)10:58
Lureif there is no mention of interface in /e/n/i, then knetworkconf collects currently configured data that can be from k-n-m10:58
Tonio_I know you were waiting for it :)10:58
Lureproblem is that it does not write dhcp/static/bootp in config file as it does not know what is correct10:58
Lureit may be that it was configured with dhcp or it may be static, but we can only assume10:59
Lureshould we leave it to the user (dialog: please select auto/manual mode before Apply)?11:00
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Lureraphink: did not have time  to nail down korganizer yet (offshore sailing lecture was far more interesting ;-)) - might do it tonight11:02
raphinkah nice :)11:03
raphinkok 11:03
raphinkI'll be very happy if you can find what this is11:03
raphink:)11:03
alleeLure: ~ 80 commits in kdepim since 3.5.2 in kde35 branch11:10
allee+ FWIW11:10
Lureallee: wow - lot's to review...11:11
LureRiddell: ^^^ do we include such fixes on case-by-case bases or do we plan to do partial sync to pre-3.5.3?11:11
RiddellLure: I usually prefer specific patches rather than large branch pulls11:12
Lureallee: do commits in stable branch require to have z b.k.o bug entry?11:13
alleeRiddell: someone did a kdepim code review. there are lots of possible crash fixes. 11:13
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alleeLure: no11:13
LureI though so - :-(, that is what I sometimes hate about OSS practices - missing discipline11:14
RiddellLure: checkout the tag and the branch and do a diff11:14
alleesvn log -r{release-date-of-3.5.2-minus-1-week}:HEAD  path/to/kdepim/in/branches11:14
RiddellLure: what missing discipline?11:14
Lurethat stable branch would have only fixes for known bugs in BTS and not just what people feel (hard to trace for distributions like Kubuntu)11:15
alleeLure: if you have a fix for an access to NULL pointer it makes not sense to report it you simply fix it (not in the last week before reelase of course)11:16
alleeLure: I keep all commit msg to 35 branch.  hard to manage is 'only' the amount of fixes and that some minor features go in to11:17
allee+o11:18
Lureallee: the only problem I see that changlog are typically not very verbose (raphlink just warned me today ;-), and then it is hard to dig if no link exist....11:18
Lureallee: but I agree it is on different scale that I am used to (I manage multiple development teams from 3-20 members in may day job)11:19
kwwiihere previews of the banner (85cmx200cm): http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-banner.jpg   , kubuntu-banner2.jpg , kubuntu-banner3.jpg11:20
kwwiierm kubuntu-banner3.png11:20
alleeLure: the commit msg has rev in first line. Just take it feed it into a script or use web short to see the real diff11:20
kwwiiwe need to work on the official logos a bit, they could use it11:21
Lureallee: so where is RSS feed for stable branch? Is it per product or just one for svn?11:21
Riddellkwwii: looking lovely11:21
kwwiiRiddell: well, check out the ubuntu ones I made: htpp://bootsplash.org/ubuntu-poster-4.jpg , ubuntu-poster-3.jpg  - they are better if you ask me11:23
Lurekwwii: I like color layout of first one (white to blue) and kubuntu+headline of second (more tightly linked as in first)11:23
alleeLure. Maybe. I'm use kde-commits ml.  I've seen once a service wher you can subscribe regex for kde-commits msgs.11:23
Lurethird one is a bit strange as headline is kind of diconnected from kubuntu11:23
alleeLure: ah, and on #digikam is a bot that inform in realtime about commits11:23
Riddellkwwii: yeah, the ubuntu colour palette is lovely11:24
Lureallee: look like I will have to try #digikam channel after all.. ;-)11:24
alleeLure: lol11:24
kwwiiRiddell: well, they have the lozenge logo, which helps a lot11:25
Lurekwwii: btw, where we will use this banner?11:25
kwwiithey will be standing at the linuxtag and other conventions after that11:26
kwwiithe first version is nifty but has too much empty space - the thing is 2 meters high11:26
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Lurekwwii: agree regaridng space on first - I just do not like blue stripe on right on second11:28
kwwiiLure: after looking at them again, I like the first one better as well :-)11:29
kwwiiLure: I think I will work on that one11:29
Lurekwwii: but I really like layout of "collaboration to the core" position on second - you want it to be very near (and alligned with) kubuntu11:30
kwwiiLure, yes you are right there too11:30
kwwiiLure: maybe you should become an artist :-)11:31
kwwiiwe could use all the help we can get11:31
Lurekwwii: not really, I just link to comment ;-)11:31
kwwiihehe, well you have a good eye11:31
kwwiianyone know who made the current logo?11:31
Riddellkwwii: which logo?11:32
kwwiithe kubuntu logo11:32
kwwiithe colors, I mean11:32
kwwiiI sent Jane an email asking if I could change them :-911:32
Riddellit was basse, same guy who does konqi11:32
kwwiiyeah, I know basse11:33
kwwiihe is cool11:33
kwwiibut more into 3d stuff than logos11:33
kwwiiI would like to make a version with decent CMYK colors11:34
kwwiidefined pantone colors, HKS or such11:34
kwwiiok, enough art chat in the devel channel11:34
Riddellkwwii: sure, go ahead if you think you can make it better11:36
kwwiiRiddell: cool11:36
RiddellI plan to change the logo on the website around release candidate time to the one we made at the ui sprint http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/web-bg2.png11:37
Lureraphink: bug 41341 - similar to run as user issue on Alt-F2, isn't it?11:37
UbugtuMalone bug 41341 in kdebase kdebase-bin "kdesu -u option broken" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4134111:37
alleeTonio_: raphink and Zelina are now listed twice in linuxtag page11:38
Tonio_allee: hu ?11:38
raphinkLure: seems so11:38
alleeTonio_: when you removed the conflicts you only removed the markes but not one of the two choices11:39
Tonio_allee: damn..... I missed that, I'm modifying this11:39
Tonio_testing patches for kdebase is a pain..........;11:40
RiddellTonio_: which patches?11:42
Tonio_Riddell: I have the solution for the admin mode switching failing in kdeprint11:42
Tonio_Riddell: #3986711:42
Riddellooh?  what's causing t?11:43
Riddellit11:43
Tonio_Riddell: printers.desktop desktop file11:43
Tonio_exec is set to kcmshell printmgr while the good command is kcmshell printers11:43
Riddellis this a new problem?  we havn't changed that file but I've only noticed it recently11:44
Tonio_Riddell: I think it was already failing about 2 month ago11:44
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Riddellhmm, right, that could be my fault then, I removed some of the duplicate .desktop files a while ago11:44
Tonio_Riddell: to what I remember it is not a recent issue11:44
Tonio_Riddell: raphink upload k-d-s with shortcuts, and I also fixed gtk_qt_engine autoconfig in kdebase11:45
Tonio_gnome users will not complain anymore11:45
kwwiiRiddell: wait to change that until we have a final set of colors...I changed things in that and now that I look at it again, I think it still needs some work :-)11:46
Tonio_Riddell: so will have only one remaining bug in kdeprint, which fails loading drivers while installing a printer, and that's quite recent, it was working 2 weeks ago11:46
RiddellTonio_: k-d-s, great11:49
RiddellTonio_: how did you fix gtk_qt_engine issue and was it uploaded?11:49
RiddellTonio_: I've not heard of that kdeprint problem, do you have it?11:49
Tonio_Riddell: not uploaded still and I simply changed the startkde patch, looking for startkfce4 and gnome-session files11:49
Riddellcool11:50
Tonio_if one or those is there, no files are copied to the profile11:50
Tonio_Riddell: I will send you a global debdiff including all those changes11:50
RiddellTonio_: URL preferred over e-mail, I'm behind on this backlog of e-mail11:52
Tonio_Riddell: yes I have the kdeprint problem, on my desktop, and on my laptop too11:52
Tonio_it fails loading the driver once you selected it11:52
Tonio_gnome-cups-manager works11:52
Tonio_Riddell: I know you don't have email access, don't mind ;)11:52
Tonio_Riddell: I tested with two printers, a lexmark and an HP11:53
RiddellTonio_: e-mail back now, I just have 6000 unread e-mails to process11:53
Tonio_Riddell: don't know if that fails on updated flight* installations, but I can confirm on fresh beta11:54
Tonio_Riddell: argh !!!11:54
RiddellTonio_: kdeprint on beta is broken, do a dist upgrade for latest cupsys and kdelibs11:54
Tonio_Riddell: I did ;)11:54
Tonio_Riddell: no change, but I will retest11:55
Riddellmaybe try purging cupsys and reinstalling11:59
Tonio_Riddell: I'm currently testing ;)12:02

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