=== DeadZed [n=zed@217-162-150-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] :'( [12:18] ooimpress can't read kpresenter .odp [12:21] raphink: yes, oasis still have to mature... [12:22] indeed [12:22] it's a shame to have such a format and miss its point like this :( [12:22] but well [12:22] it'll mature soon enough :) [12:22] and in the meanwhile it'll have me use koffice for my talk [12:22] go K! [12:27] you need to convince riddell to use koffice 1.5.x as default in next release ;) === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DeadZed [n=zed@217-162-150-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:39] kmon: well i'm using it now and I must confess it's far from equaling ooo so far [12:39] but it's interesting enough [12:39] just not as productive yet [12:40] what do you miss? [12:40] lots of small things around [12:40] right now I can't find how to properly export my presentation to pdf [12:41] print it? i'm guessing.... [12:41] or I can't save it in microsoft formats, which can be useful sometimes [12:41] nope [12:41] print doesn't work well either [12:41] and it won't even let me print it in landscape [12:42] support for ms formats is a pitty [12:43] but I've read somewhere the new office formats will be xml based. [12:43] so I think that will help a lot [12:43] it is xml based [12:43] opendocument [12:43] in the future of course.... [12:43] well so far it doesn't help much [12:43] I have created an odp on kpresenter [12:43] and can't read it well on ooo [12:44] a bug [12:44] that's why I was suggesting koffice 1.5.x [12:44] anyway... [12:44] it won't happen [12:44] Maybe with koffice 2 [12:45] but I don't see that happening with 1.5 [12:45] no === kmon leaves [12:46] bye everyone [12:46] bye === toma is now known as toma_ === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] silent night === _arthurb [n=arthurb@cpe-69-200-90-126.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #kubuntu-devel === robotgeek [i=venkat@ubuntu/member/robotgeek] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves to everyone === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=ykozlov@dhcp-129-64-141-181.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === httpdss [n=kenny@r201-217-190-29.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jr__ [n=jr@86.53.39.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jr__ [n=jr@86.53.39.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@69.60.114.100] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:25] can someone close https://launchpad.net/bugs/41230 as a dupe of something i don't know number of? (kdesu not keeping user settings or somesuch) [08:25] Malone bug 41230 in ept adept "Adept does not honor system scheme" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [08:25] thanks :) === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-12-16.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=marseill@AMarseille-153-1-12-16.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] hey [09:55] Hey Tonio_ [09:55] hey === OdyX is translating packaging-guide: 35% - Damn bug. [09:55] s/bug/big [09:55] Tonio_: hi [09:56] is there a known issue with kdeprint, cups and dapper beta ? [09:56] I'm getting a 401 unauthorized error message [09:56] I absolutly need to print, since I got watter in my apartment all the night [09:56] raphink, kmon: Koffice 1.5 indeed doesn't support writing to most M$ formats, and they don't intend to waste time on creating export filters. the problem with ooo opening a kpresenter file can be on both sides, oo.o isn't perfect in reading odf yet. [09:56] I need to print documents for insurances etc....... [09:56] so if there is a fix I would appreciate [09:57] if print works, you can use it to print documents to pdf. [09:57] superstoned: I need paper printing ;) [09:57] Tonio_ try to create a root user, seems to help. but printing is a problem, riddell is trying to fix it, afaik. [09:58] okay [09:58] it was working a few days ago.... [09:58] Tonio_: I have fixed your WEP problem - can you test package from repo [09:58] Lure_: I saw that, thanks much ;) [09:59] can't test here since I don't have my laptop anymore [09:59] Tonio_: I have another three fixes ready... ;-) [09:59] Lure_: hehe [09:59] Tonio_: LPT printer or USB? [10:00] There was some commit yesterday abour rights (group) that were dropped causign print problems [10:00] superstoned: so I have to reactivate the root account, and then I should be able to configure cups with localhost:631 ? [10:00] Lure_: usb [10:00] I tried to configure it with kdesu systemsettings, but that doesn't help [10:01] check permissions of /dev/ file for your printer - maybe manual change with chmod will help [10:02] but it my be also cups authorization (and not device file) [10:02] Lure_: already tried, but it doesn't........ [10:02] Tonio_: poke pitti in #ubuntu-devel? [10:02] Lure_: maybe yes ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:04] Tonio_: maybe you can have a look at the groups your user is in, see if there is a print group? i can't really help you - i don't know how i got it working, and it only worked for a few days. [10:20] superstoned: supposed to work [10:20] superstoned: it apears the problem is linked to kdeprint since gnome-cups-manager works [10:21] Tonio_: yeah, i read some ppl complaining about it. i'm totally not familiair with kdeprint, tough... [10:21] hope it can be fixed for the final release. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:22] hey raphink === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:28] Tonio_: try gnome apps... [10:28] Tonio_: seems bad, but could work... [10:31] hey raphink [10:31] yo Tonio_ [10:31] OdyX: works with gnome-cups-manager [10:31] raphink: j'ai t innond cette nuit [10:31] Tonio_: so for insurance papers... [10:31] fucking merde de crotte [10:31] Tonio_: merde... [10:31] argh [10:32] OdyX: that's what I'm doing [10:32] Tonio_: on a 10 scale, what are the domages ? [10:32] :( [10:32] OdyX: no dommages........ for the moment [10:32] Tonio_: fiouh... [10:33] because I worked on it all the night [10:37] raphink: just sent you another 3 fixes for knetworkconf... [10:37] yes I saw that [10:37] Lure_: do you need 3 patches ? [10:37] could they be merged in one ? [10:37] it is on debdiff with three patches as they address different problems [10:38] ok [10:38] could you be a bit more verbose in the changelog ? [10:38] I thought this is better as fixes might get accepted upstream also on one-by-one basis [10:38] like explain what each patch does [10:38] I can - I will send you new debdiff in couple of minutes [10:38] ok [10:39] ty [10:59] raphink: can I send you a debdiff for kdebase ? [11:00] we are removing the system protocol again :) [11:00] hahaha [11:00] vas y envoie [11:00] mais l je vais m'absenter un peu [11:00] je committerai plus tard [11:00] Tonio_: ;-) [11:00] k [11:01] raphink: that's not "fun" :) [11:01] Tonio_: isn't it working now ? [11:01] OdyX: printing ? with gnome-cups-manager, yes [11:01] raphink: improved debdiff sent... [11:01] Tonio_: no... system:/ protocol [11:01] OdyX: it is but it is still creating issues [11:02] that's not due to kubuntu specifically, bu to kde [11:02] Tonio_: lyke system:/home ?? [11:03] OdyX: like with gtk apps or something [11:03] OdyX: exactly [11:03] OpenOffice... :'| [11:04] OdyX: there is a fix commeted for this [11:04] commited [11:04] Tonio_: I just related know exemple.. [11:04] I hac no problem here.. [11:05] s/hac/have [11:05] OdyX: kind of yes ;) [11:05] gimp also === kenny [n=kenny@r201-217-190-29.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:08] are there new (last week or so) problems with cups? [11:10] seaLne: ask Tonio_... He has some,... [11:11] http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups.png before print dialog then http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/cups2.png after and no printout [11:12] Tonio_: ^ ? === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] who cares about amarok 1.4beta3 bugs ? === Hobbsee_away [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-125-48.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] seaLne: yes ? [11:28] seaLne: you should report - I get similar but it prints see bug 41151 [11:28] Malone bug 41151 in kdebase kdeprint "successful-ok error reported when printer list is retrieved " [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41151 [11:28] or at least append info to this bug... [11:29] Lure_: This could not be related with Riddell's debs ? [11:29] I mean... test ones [11:29] OdyX: I thing Riddell's debs are now in offical repo [11:29] OK. [11:58] raphink: thanks for upload [11:58] :) [11:59] Lure_: I'm testing korganizer again [11:59] it crashes on beta live [11:59] even using english [11:59] so it doeesn't seem to be linked to i18n [12:00] what I find really weird is that it doesn't crash when you choose "new task" before choosing "new event" [12:02] today was the first day i noticed the second error, i think a few days ago i got the first error and it printed [12:06] raphink: still cannot reproduce here... will try live CD on my desktop [12:06] ok [12:06] raphink: I however experience slow dialog opening/closing which is mentioned in bug I thinl [12:07] ok [12:07] maybe my profile has something that prevents crash ;-) [12:07] hehe === kasina [n=kasina@196.200.37.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.207] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:17] eve Hobbsee [12:17] hi raphink === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@168-234.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kasina [n=kasina@196.200.37.114] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [01:09] raphink: still no crash on live... :-) === Lure_ is now known as Lure [01:10] raphink: where exactly do you select Add event - from menu or toolbar? from witch context of Kontact (calendar or to-do)? === sredna [n=anders@kde/developer/alund] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:23] This is nice idea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker [01:31] POWERFUL Lure !!! [01:31] Lure: just make a QT frontend.. :D === pagux [n=chatzill@61.246.13.65] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] now that'd be cool [01:37] interesting [01:37] I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that [01:39] raphink: libept... which is ever translated in FR :D [01:39] hehe === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:44] hey ;) [01:44] Sime: ping ? [01:48] raphink: what? [01:48] yo Tonio_ === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] mornfall: what what? [01:48] raphink: raphink | #kubuntu-dev % I guess in kubuntu we could use adept batch with libept for that [01:49] ah for this stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCommonHooker [01:49] if it was ported to Qt [01:51] anyone here is using the proprietary nvidia drivers ? === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Tonio_: I do. [01:52] Lure: you going to be around for a while? [01:52] OdyX: do you have problems with the default size font ? [01:52] Tonio_: yep... I reported a bug there for... === neoncode [n=neoncode@88-107-157-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Hobbsee: hi - yes unless I get disconnected during my knetworkconf tests ;-) [01:53] okay [01:53] OdyX: when I use the free driver, font size is normal, but when I switch to the proprietary, fonts are getting very little [01:53] Tonio_: restarted X or rebooted ? [01:53] OdyX: so that I have to switch size to 12 to get back to normal size [01:53] OdyX: rebooted [01:53] and restarted [01:53] I did both [01:53] Tonio_: try to just restarted X. [01:53] Well... [01:53] AFAIK, it depends... === OdyX 's looking for the bogue. [01:53] OdyX: it is probably that one of the drivers do not calcualates DPI properly and is set to 75 (default) instead of something sane [01:53] OdyX: I just reinstalled to get a clean beta installation and that's the same issue [01:54] Lure: exactly... [01:54] You need to add DisplaySize to your Monitor section [01:54] it's KDM... [01:54] Lure: probably better to discuss this with Sime I think [01:54] bug 37072 [01:54] Malone bug 37072 in kdebase kdm "After installing (and enabling) of nvidia-glx, KDM makes wrong DRI guesses" [Normal,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/37072 [01:54] found it ^^^ [01:54] OdyX: ah ? [01:54] it's that, huh ? [01:54] commonhooker? :) [01:55] all of ubuntu shares one hooker? [01:55] somenoe's got a talent for names [01:55] isn't guidance supposed to set the xft-dpi to 96 ? [01:55] maybe there is a little bug in guidance, since I didn't got those issues 2 weeks ago [01:55] it appeared about 4 or 5 days [01:56] OdyX: you should check whay xdpyinfo | grep resolution to see what is detected [01:56] Lure: I appplied my solution [01:56] Lure: so when should I test ? [01:56] Lure: that makes sense.... dpi are set to 75 by default, and xft-dpi are not patched to match 96 [01:56] Lure: [01:56] xdpyinfo | grep resolution [01:56] I will discuss this with sime [01:56] resolution: 100x100 dots per inch [01:56] OdyX: you should try first free , then binary and compare [01:57] Lure: This is because I set it at 100... [01:57] tonio@kubuntu:~$ xdpyinfo | grep resolution [01:57] resolution: 75x75 dots per inch [01:57] I have 75 [01:57] but as far as know, for fonts, dpi should be set to 96 by default [01:57] that is patched by guidance [01:57] OdyX: you should not set it with -dpi, but rather like allee suggest here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AchimBohnet [01:57] Tonio_: or detected correctly... [01:58] OdyX: hu ? [01:58] maybe yes [01:58] Lure: Mention it in the bug report please... [01:58] Tonio_: font dpi patching is also broken is recent kde-guidance - see bug 40683 [01:58] Malone bug 40683 in kde-guidance "Fonts extremely small post 21APR06 updates" [Normal,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40683 [01:58] easy to fix though... [01:59] Ubugtu: that's exactly my problem [01:59] Lure: ahhhhhhhhhhh that's why :) [01:59] that's a guidance issue [01:59] Lure: so ?? I don't get the point... [02:00] OdyX: you should fix kde-guidance as mentioned in 40683, then you should give hint to X server in xorg.conf with DisplaySize about your screen size in order to detect DPI properly [02:01] and you should remove -dpi from kdmrc [02:02] ok I'm testing === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] Lure: well, i have good news and bad news... [02:04] Hobbsee: start with good, then I will run ;-) [02:04] hehe [02:05] that's better ;) [02:05] good news is that on the 2.6.15-21-386 without ndiswrapper, the machine locks before it hibernates. [02:05] bad news: it still goes back to the login window, which rather defies the point. [02:06] Hobbsee: this is really strange bug - I have seen another report on mailing list... [02:06] also, with the latest compiled ndiswrapper, and 2.6.15-21-686, it doesnt work adn the machine just freezes - i suspect that may be to do with ndiswrapper, which seemed to shut down teh wireless card, and eventually restart it === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] i'm suspecting that ndiswrapper is the problem, i'll test that in a min... [02:07] Hobbsee: cannot help much with ndiswrapper, but I would really like to nail down this kdm logout problem [02:07] ndiswrapper IS a problem though.. :-\ [02:08] you mention that machine "locks before hibernate" - you actually see lock dialog? [02:08] I have problems on my laptop [02:08] Tonio_: as do I... [02:08] the machine fails to shutdown correctly sometimes [02:09] and I have to remove the battery to power it on again === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-103-225.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] I was suspecting ndiswrapper but since it worked for month........ [02:09] I don't know if that isn't also a hardware issue [02:09] Tonio_: there are similar report - it hangs where - just before terminating processes? [02:09] Lure: yes [02:09] then the only solution to shut it down properly is to remove the battery [02:10] is that what you get ? [02:10] I have seen major discussion recently in Malone with mdz pushing hard to get this solved somehow [02:10] so that is a software related issue ? [02:10] strange..... [02:10] Tonio_: no, shutdown works for me if ATI does not hang the system before (20% chance with "ati" and 100% with "fglrx") [02:10] :-( [02:10] the screen shuts down, the keyboard doesn't respond [02:10] Lure: yes, it goes to screensaver, if you move the mouse, it asks for a p/w, as it should [02:11] everything seems to be stoped, but the wifi led lights [02:11] and for some reason, that didnt hibernate at all...just went to screensaver and sat there [02:11] Hobbsee: did you install the system with install CD or live CD installer? [02:11] install cd, flight 4 [02:11] Lure: I have that just after the message "system will now halt" [02:12] that's why I was suspecting an hardware issue [02:13] Hobbsee: wild guess - can you check /etc/mkinitramfs/conf.d/resume that it points to your swap partition? [02:13] raphink: ping ? [02:14] pong [02:14] raphinou je t'envoi le packet kdebase [02:14] mais sans le orig [02:14] juste le dsc et le diff oki ? [02:14] c a la demande de riddell donc tu peux uploader sans soucis === verwilst submitted a kde-guidance bug report [02:14] ben dans ce cas envoie un debdiff [02:14] ce sera plus simple [02:15] raphink: faut aussi virer trash.desktop du bureau [02:15] pkoi tu l'as pas vir celui la ? il sert a qque chose ? [02:15] j'ai pas trouv comment Tonio_ [02:15] si tu trouves je suis partant [02:15] ah ? [02:15] oki je check [02:15] ;) [02:15] il est pas install par un paquet [02:15] je pense qu'il est install par un programme au run [02:15] Lure: will do, give me a sec. old school friend has rung up in search of a blank cd [02:15] Tonio_: check bug 31993 and bug 39652 (and many others) [02:15] Malone bug 31993 in acpi "Shutdown no longer powers off computer (Dapper laptop)" [Major,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/31993 [02:15] Malone bug 39652 in Ubuntu "laptop doesnt poweroff after shutdown on toshiba A105-S361" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39652 [02:16] Hobbsee: no pb [02:16] dpkg -S trash.desktop [02:16] Tonio_: can you hibernate with nvidia/kpowersave ? [02:16] Lure: I don't test within kontact [02:16] Lure: test running korganizer as standalone === Lure thanks to launchapd people that comment search now works again [02:16] OdyX: I don't have my laptop here to test [02:16] Lure: er.....how do i check where my swap is? [02:16] Tonio_: OK. [02:16] Tonio_: [02:16] $ dpkg -S trash.desktop [02:16] kdelibs-data: /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-trash.desktop [02:16] kdebase-kio-plugins: /usr/share/services/kfile_trash.desktop [02:16] that's all I get [02:17] yep that's it [02:17] cat /proc/swaps [02:17] trash.desktop is not installed by a package [02:17] hence why I didn't care to remove it [02:17] $ grep swap /etc/fstab [02:17] ? [02:17] raphink: will try that [02:17] raphink: hum, strange [02:17] raphink: yep, it's right [02:17] is Ubiquity the new name of Espresso? [02:17] raphink: yes [02:17] ok [02:18] raphink: certainly created while launching kde for the first time === raphink goes to correct his talk [02:18] sounds weird...... [02:18] Tonio_: I guess, but no idea by what process [02:18] and I don't find it worth it to find it out right now [02:18] raphink: will check and correct this also [02:18] maybe in Edgy when we have time for this [02:18] startkde maybe ? [02:18] ;) [02:18] huhu [02:18] let me check this [02:18] I doubt so [02:18] ok === Lure is wondering if kdm/ksm writes any log that could help us understand hibernate problem [02:19] hi to all [02:20] someone could tell me why there are no 1.5.0.2 updates for mozillas packages? [02:20] MidMark: probably still in review (diff is 30K LOC) :-( [02:21] + it's UVF [02:21] UVF? [02:21] + firefox is not a kubuntu app [02:21] Upstream Version Freeze [02:21] we've been in UVF for a few months now [02:21] which means we can't just upgrade programs when we want to [02:21] I know [02:21] Dapper is to be released in a month [02:21] so we only update packages if it's safe and worth it [02:21] but they are security updates [02:22] MidMark: then I'm sure it will be included soon [02:22] otherwise ping people on #ubuntu-devel [02:22] this is #kubuntu-devel heree [02:22] raphink: ok [02:22] and our default browser is konqueror :) === raphink notes ubiquity has a gnome icon on the kubuntu live CD [02:24] would be nice to have it wear a kubuntu one [02:24] raphink: locate directory.trash [02:24] hehe :) [02:24] seems it is this one [02:24] ah [02:24] interesting [02:24] it is copied and renamed when launched for the first time [02:24] ok [02:25] raphink: better patching kde to avoid the copy or simply not installing it ? [02:25] well you can test both [02:25] I'd say remove the desktop [02:25] yep [02:25] but then test that it doesn't have kde crash on it [02:25] with a clean profile [02:25] I will try remove the file locally and create a new profile [02:26] k [02:27] raphink: icon was replaced yesterday by kwwii's [02:27] ah ok :) [02:27] great [02:28] it is the one you see on kubuntu.org [02:28] raphink: now it crashes (live CD)! [02:28] hehe [02:28] pfiew [02:29] newer used korganizer... [02:29] raphink: do you want me to look into this? [02:29] sure if you can :) [02:29] that'd be great [02:29] I would like to reproduce it on my laptop as everything is here (devel env) though... [02:30] ok [02:31] raphink: works :) [02:31] sending you the debdiff [02:31] great Tonio_ [02:31] ok [02:31] send me all your debdiffs ;) === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:35] raphink: I just noticed we do not have bogofilter installed by default anymore........ [02:36] it was usefull for easy kmail configuration [02:36] I don't want it [02:36] why ? [02:36] I'd rather have spamassassin if any [02:36] bogofilter doesn't triage my spam properly [02:36] I've had bad experiences with it [02:36] raphink: yes, but spamassassin is a pain for resources....... [02:37] well, anyway it would be nice to have at least one antispam installed by default [02:37] Riddell: did Jane also agree to printing the broshures? [02:37]