[12:03] <slow-motion> n8
[12:04] <Kamelknuffen> howdy
[12:05] <nico_> re
[12:05] <Kamelknuffen> how do i change charmap?
[12:05] <Kamelknuffen> i cant seem to get the aa,ae and oe characters to work
[12:05] <Kamelknuffen> but strangely enough i seem to have all other keys in the right place
[12:06] <tarik_> hi to everyone
[12:06] <tarik_> can someone tell me if there is a translator like babylon for dapper?
[12:07] <tarik_> one i can easy install with apt-get
[12:07] <tarik_> hey
[12:08] <tarik_> anyone there
[12:08] <tarik_> are there any translators i can use like babylon
[12:09] <Kamelknuffen> tarik_:  have you searched apt?
[12:10] <tarik_> babylon?
[12:10] <tarik_> no
[12:10] <tarik_> is there a source?
[12:10] <tarik_> i ll have a look
[12:10] <Kamelknuffen> the package you are looking for is: wordtrans-kde
[12:10] <Kamelknuffen> sudo apt-get install wordtrans-kde
[12:11] <tarik_> can i use it on gnome too?
[12:11] <tarik_> thx
[12:11] <Kamelknuffen> well, yeah if you have qt installed
[12:11] <tarik_> qt?
[12:11] <tarik_> was ist qt?
[12:12] <Kamelknuffen> libqt is a plattform to build apps on
[12:12] <Kamelknuffen> alsmost like gtk with some differences
[12:12] <Kamelknuffen> and the package for that is libqt3-mt
[12:13] <tarik_> do i have just to install wordtrans-qt and then is it working or do i have to someting else
[12:13] <Kamelknuffen> apt should handle all the eventuall dependencies, so yes
[12:14] <tarik_> ok thx i will have a try
[12:14] <tarik_> this eveniung i have to wirte 3 summarys about each half a side
[12:14] <tarik_> so i need this prog to translate me words form en to ger
[12:15] <_JuDgEn_> i like aspell, when running openoffice
[12:15] <_JuDgEn_> why dont you use that instead?
[12:15] <tarik_> i'll try that one out too
[12:16] <_JuDgEn_> ok
[12:16] <tarik_> I need a function like clicking a word and then get the translation
[12:16] <_JuDgEn_> wonder why my swedish/finnish-specific keyboard characters stopped to work..
[12:16] <_JuDgEn_> it worked before ubuntu crashed on me
[12:17] <synie> i installed ubuntu on my old system. it has a nForce2 chipset. ubuntu detects it, and lspci lists the nforce-networkinterface and an other card, i plugged in. but there isn't any ethX o,O can some1 help me ? how can i activate the cards
[12:25] <Draeven> can anyone tell me what seems to be the major malfunction between KDE and CUPS - I am having a heck of a time getting a printer configured and shared on my network
[12:28] <apricot> is there a program similar to autocad?
[12:29] <bimberi> apricot: there's qcad
[12:29] <apricot> thank you
[12:29] <bimberi> apricot: yw, hope it fills the need :)
[12:29] <ObiWanKanabis> Draeven ] > i resolved that problem this afternoon (sorry, bad english)
[12:30] <Draeven> is there a way to re-enable admin rights to cups thru a browser? I am so sick of the KDE printmanager telling me that there is no running cups server
[12:30] <apricot> what about wine and autocad?
[12:31] <Draeven> I have a few users that need access to the printers and this is just holding up productivity - I mean breezy is a great distro and all, but if I wanted to waste time like this I would have installed 2003 Server
[12:32] <ObiWanKanabis> Draeven ] > you got to edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
[12:32] <ObiWanKanabis> delete everything
[12:32] <ObiWanKanabis> and write this lines
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> <Location />
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> Order Deny,Allow
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> Deny From All
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> Deny From 127.0.0.1

[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> <Location /printers/>
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> Order Deny,Allow
[12:33] <ObiWanKanabis> Deny From All
[12:34] <ObiWanKanabis> Deny From All
[12:34] <ObiWanKanabis> Allow From 127.0.0.1
[12:34] <ObiWanKanabis> Allow From 192.168.1.*
[12:34] <Draeven> ObiWanKanabis: send that to me in a query so we're not flooding the channel or use pastebin
[12:34] <ObiWanKanabis> the fu"" query does not work
[12:34] <ObiWanKanabis> after that finish
[12:35] <ObiWanKanabis> then restart cups and
[12:35] <ObiWanKanabis> from a browser go to localhost:631
[12:37] <ObiWanKanabis> not working
[12:40] <_JuDgEn_> i lost my swedish/finnish keyboard characters after a crash of kdetv how do i recover them?
[12:47] <_JuDgEn_> damnit i cant get swedish keyb to function properly
[12:48] <Seantater> That is not a good word to start out on in a forum with ops..
[12:48] <Seantater> Whay have you tried?
[12:50] <_JuDgEn_> i have tried setting it to swedish in the kcontrol app
[12:51] <_JuDgEn_> it worked perfectly before kdetv took down the system about 15minutes ago
[12:51] <ObiWanKanabis> Draeven ] > ????
[12:53] <Seantater> Have you restarted?
[12:54] <apricot> where is kmail shorcut in kubuntu?
[12:54] <_JuDgEn_> sure
[12:54] <_JuDgEn_> the entire system crashed
[12:55] <_JuDgEn_> also my alt-gr key does not work anymore
[12:55] <apricot> where is kmail shortcut in kubuntu? How to make one?
[12:55] <Seantater> gr?
[12:55] <Seantater> apricot: drag it from the menu 0-- tada
[12:55] <Seantater> apricot: drag it from the menu -- tada
[12:55] <fjellrev1> how do I install something with a .daa extension?
[12:55] <local> Does anybody know if "sudo parted resize ..." physically wipes data or just reshapes partition boundaries?
[12:56] <apricot> which menu, i do not see it.
[12:56] <Seantater> apricot: The K menu
[12:56] <Seantater> local: I would backyup either way
[12:57] <apricot> no kmail shortcut in the kmenu.
[12:57] <_JuDgEn_> apricot: have you got it installed
[12:57] <_JuDgEn_> apricot: just make an shortcut on the desktop and use that
[12:57] <apricot> yes
[12:57] <Seantater> apricot: end the session and start it again and it might appear
[01:01] <local> Seantater: I am trying to recover my hda2, 3 and 4 after optimistically installing from the latest live dvd desktop icon. It went pear-shaped, but I didn't install over the whole disk content (so far as I know). But the MBR was screwed and I don't have a hand-written record of the partitions I had. I need to recover the data on the disk that now appears as unused diskspace.
[01:02] <Seantater> local: I'm afraid you may have to shell out big bucks (in comparison to free) for that
[01:02] <Seantater> local: I'm not aware of any Linux data recovery software..
[01:05] <local> Seantater: I've been trawling for a free solution or advice without success. I don't get why it needs to be so complicated (=expensive). It's a bit surprising that data recovery is that hard.
[01:06] <cromo> qtcurve
[01:06] <Seantater> I just think It's not usually that needed (rule #1 for every OS (but most well known in linux) is to backup everything all the time
[01:06] <Seantater> !info qtcurve
[01:08] <_JuDgEn_> Seems that i dont have any keyboard-layouts according to kcontrol after my reboot
[01:08] <_JuDgEn_> how do i reinstall only the layouts?
[01:08] <kev1n> !sound
[01:08] <ubotu> well, sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[01:09] <local> Seantater: You're right, and it was sloppy/naive to think Dapper would turn out to be as it was, hanging as it did. Still, maybe there's a simple BASH script waiting to be discovered (or written)... goodnight
[01:10] <_JuDgEn_> how do i reinstall the keymaps?
[01:12] <Desh> Hello everyone. I am running Kubuntu 5.10, after failing at getting fglrx drivers to work I reverted back to ati drivers. however, I can no longer "Lock Sessions." Also, Penguin Racer and another game, which used to load up, though they'd lag, don;t even load anymore.
[01:12] <Desh> Would reconfigure-xserver fix any of this?
[01:13] <HymnToLife> it can't hurt, I would do it if I were you
[01:14] <Desh> Ok. Do you think anthing else could be causing this?
[01:15] <_JuDgEn_> how do i reinstall the keymaps?
[01:16] <mzinz> If three doubles are passed into a method, whats the shortest and fastest way to organize them from low-to-high?
[01:32] <mathiasbrito> hi everyone... one of you know a list with the fastests ubuntu mirrors?!
[01:41] <jeff__> hey guys
[01:41] <tmdx120> hello room
[01:41] <jeff__> does anybody know how to center the page on the working space in kword?
[01:41] <tmdx120> I have a q about vegastrike.
[01:42] <jeff__> instead of it being to the far left
[01:42] <jeff__> tmdx120: whats vegastrike?
[01:42] <tmdx120> it is a 3d linux game.
[01:42] <jeff__> o
[01:43] <jeff__> so does anybody know how to view the page in the center of the workspace?
[01:50] <jeff__> ?
[01:58] <wubrgamer> hey guys....i am looking for some advice to net-installing xubuntu on a bunch of old mac laptops in my schools science lab, i'm  a pretty new user to linux
[02:30] <stodge> I'm trying to debug a program with gdb but I get:    ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S: No such file or directory.
[02:30] <stodge> Any ideas what this means?
[02:55] <_andreas> hmz, here I am trying to install my wifi card, i find a good howto, and get ndiswrapper to work, but then acers ftp site is down :P
[02:55] <_andreas> or at least i can't conneckt to it :P
[03:01] <FHX> Could comeone please advise? I was trying to do a dual boot, so i wanted to startover new and install windows then add on linux, like a normal dual boot configuration would go. So I inserted the windows cd in, deleted my linux partition, and reformatted the HD. at 64% it got stuck, so I thought okay, I' ll try that again. This time I Selected " quick format" , so it formatted and then it went on to copying files. It kept getting stuck and co
[03:02] <unperson> Can anyone help me out with KRec?  I'm trying to record from my mic, but the "VU-meter" isn't showing any signal and (not surprisingly) the recordings are just silence.
[03:03] <unperson> After messing with KMix I can hear the sound from the mic in my headphones.
[03:04] <unperson> But nothing seems to be getting to KRec.
[03:04] <unperson> In the audio manager KRec::In is set to in_soundcard
[03:04] <Desh> I need to move some files, but I can;t since I'm not root..how can I do it w/o rebooting into recovery mode?
[03:05] <unperson> Desh: You can gain root prividges using sudo.
[03:06] <unperson> Desh: The easiest way to do this is in the Konsole.
[03:06] <ablyss> Fhx, sounds like bad sectors.. tried checking the disk?
[03:06] <Desh> Ok, see my problem is, I am trying to uninstall fglrx, but the diversion for a file is in the wrong place...
[03:06] <Desh> And it won;t uninstall.
[03:06] <unperson> Desh: If you wanted to move file foo to director /home/desh/bar you could use the command "sudo mv foo /home/desh/bar"
[03:07] <Desh> Hmm...
[03:08] <unperson> Sorry, you want to make a softlink point to a different place?
[03:08] <unperson> (maybe I don't understand what "diversion" means in this context")
[03:08] <Desh> Ok, let me show you the error.
[03:09] <Desh> Removing xorg-driver-fglrx ...
[03:09] <Desh> dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to
[03:09] <Desh>   when removing `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/share/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[03:09] <Desh>   found `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'
[03:10] <unperson> Desh: Hmm...sorry, I don't understand that error, so I don't think I can offer good advice.
[03:10] <Desh> Alright. :)
[03:10] <Desh> Thanks anyways...
[03:11] <unperson> Desh: My guess is that it started to remove a softlink and found it pointed somewhere other than what was expected.
[03:11] <Desh> Right, and now I don;t know how to delete it.
[03:11] <unperson> Desh: Then is said "uh,oh, I better not remove it."
[03:11] <Desh> RIght, that's what I think aswell.
[03:12] <gifu> firstable...sorry about my bad english...i installed with Wiki help mp3 support and now i installed xmms...xmms says:please check that: yuor sound card is configured properly etc etc....so what i can do?....i have said to xmms that uses alsa....i use sb live 5.1...
[03:12] <unperson> Desh: Well, you can delete it with "sudo rm /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2", but I don't know that that's a good idea.
[03:13] <unperson> Desh: Because, like I said, I don't understand the problem.
[03:13] <unperson> Desh: In other words, try it at your own risk.  ;-)
[03:13] <Desh> Hmm..when I look for the file...it doesn't exist..
[03:15] <unperson> Desh: Well then I really don't have any idea what's up.
[03:15] <unperson> Have you tried the forum?
[03:15] <Desh> No.
[03:15] <pr1r> hey all
[03:16] <stevekl> hyhy
[03:16] <stevekl> I still can't get yakuake's tab bar to not be transparent
[03:16] <stevekl> does anyone possibly know what I am talking about
[03:16] <r0xz> in konqueror i can go backwards with alt+left, but under the international variant of the US keyboard layout this doesn't work. Can i enable this somehow?
[03:17] <pr1r> anyone have 2 monitors runnin off 1 video card???
[03:17] <unperson> Desh: Well, if no one here can help you try ubuntuforums.org
[03:17] <pr1r> i have a 5200 geforce fx tryin to get 2 monitors runnin
[03:17] <Desh> How can I run this: /usr/share/fglrx/ati-uninstall.sh
[03:18] <temifowl> Ok, heres the deal, how the hell do i use my sound card?
[03:19] <stevekl> Desh: "sh /usr/share/fglrx/ati-uninstall.sh"
[03:19] <stevekl> as root
[03:19] <stevekl> or using sudo
[03:19] <Desh> Ok, thanks. :)
[03:19] <stevekl> temifowl: Well you need to be more specific!
[03:19] <temifowl> heh
[03:19] <temifowl> yeah well thats all i know
[03:19] <unperson> temifowl: How have you tried using it so far?
[03:20] <temifowl> well
[03:20] <temifowl> i tried plugging in my speakers and playing sound
[03:20] <unperson> with which program?
[03:20] <temifowl> the sound?
[03:20] <unperson> yes
[03:21] <unperson> oops, baif.
[03:21] <temifowl> well i tried online wmp sounds, flash sounds, clicking sounds, radio sounds
[03:21] <unperson> Sorry, I'm sure the other kind (and smarter) folks will help
[03:21] <temifowl> lol?
[03:21] <temifowl> theres kinds of folk now?
[03:23] <stevekl> Well
[03:23] <stevekl> temifowl: go into a console and type in 'alsactl'
[03:23] <stevekl> oops
[03:23] <stevekl> not that
[03:23] <stevekl> damn what's the command
[03:23] <stevekl> oh yeah, do 'alsamixer'
[03:24] <stevekl> Do you get a bunch of volume sliders?
[03:24] <stevekl> or does it give you an error?
[03:24] <temifowl> ?
[03:24] <temifowl> no i dont get sound
[03:25] <Desh> Is there a command to force uninstallation? Like, apt-get force-remove, or something
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Desh: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[03:30] <Desh> Would that be safe? Even if I remove a package with a diversion error?
[03:37] <temifowl> ok, so i got everything i think i need to play sound, and i set the volume thingy to play in my speakers, but still nothings coming out
[03:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> temifowl: What is 'everything you need', and what are you using to play?
[03:38] <temifowl> well i got the codecs for win32
[03:38] <temifowl> which apperently is used
[03:38] <temifowl> and im trying to play sound from google video
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> google video uses flash, actually.
[03:39] <temifowl> hm
[03:39] <temifowl> ok well
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> you don't need win32 codecs -- I'd know, since I'm on AMD64 and can't use them. ;)
[03:39] <temifowl> i just put sound to my mic and im getting sound
[03:39] <temifowl> wtf...
[03:39] <temifowl> i put volume to Mic, and now i get sound
[03:39] <temifowl> WTF!
[03:40] <temifowl> ah
[03:40] <temifowl> its my Front!
[03:40] <temifowl> lol
[03:40] <temifowl> just you talking to me made it work
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:50] <gren-> hi. i have a question. where are the package files located? :)
[03:51] <Desh> I think they go to different places..
[03:51] <Desh> Why?
[03:51] <gren-> just wondering.
[03:51] <Desh> You can find the location for specific ones from the menu, if you edit it and see the location a specific menu choice leads to.
[03:52] <gren-> cant i add packages too adept-manager? ive found no way
[03:52] <gren-> im new to this. :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gren-: what, you mean the .deb files that are downloaded?
[03:54] <gren-> no, i want too install Synaptic too make the installing more easier
[03:54] <gren-> too be honest, i dont know what im talking about
[03:55] <gren-> im just trying to learn linux because im getting 100mbit in a while and im gonna setup a few game-servers
[03:56] <tarmath> gren-: you should start by reading the ubuntu/kubuntu starter guide
[03:56] <tarmath> gren-: i believe it would answer most, if not all of your questions
[03:57] <gren-> doh, and im always the one whos saying too people i know: i will google before asking dumb questions ;)
[03:59] <fatejudger> !ntfs
[03:59] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[04:00] <fatejudger> does anyone know how to give permission to non-root users to browse mounted NTFS partitions?
[04:01] <fatejudger> I tried assigning user level permission and it doesn't seem to do anything
[04:02] <me2win> fatejudger: sudo mount /dev/bleh /media/bleh -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[04:02] <fenderman> !repositories
[04:02] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[04:02] <fatejudger> me2win: that's a one time deal
[04:02] <fatejudger> me2win: and by the way, I hate you
[04:03] <fatejudger> lol
[04:03] <fenderman> !backports
[04:03] <ubotu> I guess backports is Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[04:09] <nalioth> fatejudger: you'll need to modify your fstab
[04:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: yeah, I got it working
[04:13] <gren-> whats the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[04:13] <gren-> :p
[04:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kubuntu has KDE, Ubuntu uses Gnome
[04:14] <bleaked> is it possible to use the helix engine in amarok on a kubuntu system?
[04:15] <fatejudger> !kdenetworkmanager
[04:15] <ubotu> fatejudger: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:15] <me2win> lol
[04:15] <fatejudger> does anyone know what package the new kde network manager is?
[04:15] <me2win> !networkmanager
[04:15] <ubotu> networkmanager is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[04:15] <fatejudger> damn you
[04:16] <me2win> lol
[04:16] <fatejudger> I'm gonna put this on my laptop
[04:16] <fatejudger> so cool :D
[04:16] <me2win> put what?
[04:16] <fatejudger> kde network manager
[04:16] <me2win> oh'
[04:16] <fatejudger> it switches between wired and wireless seamlessly
[04:16] <fatejudger> it prefers wired
[04:16] <fatejudger> and autoconnects and whatnot
[04:16] <me2win> nice
[04:16] <fatejudger> just what I need
[04:17] <me2win> its too bad i dont have a laptop, otherwise id use it
[04:17] <fatejudger> I thought there was a KDE frontend for it
[04:17] <me2win> i thought so too
[04:20] <fatejudger> me2win: apparently there IS a KDE frontend
[04:20] <fatejudger> me2win: I'm looking at it right now
[04:20] <me2win> fatejudger: good
[04:28] <gren-> goodnight folks.
[04:28] <Desh> What kernel should I use, k7 or amd64, if I am using the 32bit Kubuntu with an amd62 proccessor..
[04:29] <gren-> 62? :P
[04:29] <Desh> *64, typo
[04:29] <robotgeek> Desh: 32 bit will work on a 64 bit chip, and i would recommend you use it (till you become more familiar with linux)
[04:30] <Desh> Right, so the k7 (Amd Athlon) kernel?
[04:32] <robotgeek> Desh: yeah, it will pick one, i am guessing
[04:32] <Desh> Alright. :) Thanks.
[04:33] <Desh> Any clues why Lock Session and certain games like Penguin Racer would stop loading?
[04:33] <Desh> They used to work, and now..they don't.
[04:34] <nfx> hello
[04:34] <Desh> Hi.
[04:34] <nfx> can someone help me configure my logitech mx1000 to work with the thumb buttons?
[04:35] <Desh> I would, but I'm a n00b.
[04:35] <nfx> okay great
[04:35] <nfx> well most of the support on the forums are for a USB connection, but i've got mine connected to the internal bluetooth...
[04:36] <nfx> and i can't seem to figure out the right protocal or device name to put on xorg.conf
[04:38] <nathanael> When I right-click on any Karamba theme, "customize theme" is grayed out...why?
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> nathanael: Because that particular theme doesn't have any options.
[04:38] <nathanael> It's Ubermon!
[04:39] <nathanael> The font color...
[04:39] <nathanael> to white, for my dark bg
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> You change that by manually editing the .theme file.
[04:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> If you downloaded it using superkaramba, it's in ~/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba
[04:40] <nathanael> ah
[04:40] <nathanael> you rock!
[04:40] <Nomad411> Good evening all.. I don't understand the difference betoween korganizer and kontact?
[04:41] <Nomad411> they look pretty much like the same app
[04:41] <robotgeek> Nomad411: kontact uses korganizer
[04:42] <httpdss> Nomad411: kontact includes korganizer+kmail+etc ...
[04:42] <httpdss> Nomad411: its like an all in one app
[04:45] <Nomad411> ahhhh.. makes sense now, thanks
[04:46] <Antonn> hola
[04:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hello
[04:47] <jeff__> hey
[04:47] <jeff__> lol hey cheesie
[04:48] <Antonn> would you like some ketchup?
[04:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> No. :P
[04:48] <Antonn> :P
[04:49] <ports-> hrm
[04:50] <Desh> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:50] <Desh> Oopps.
[04:51] <Desh> How do I check what video card driver I'm using?
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf In section "Device" there's a line with 'driver'
[04:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> it'll tell you which one. :)
[04:52] <Desh> Hmm...I chose fglrx in reconfigure-xserver
[04:52] <Desh> sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf   <--- this would switch all ati's with fglrx, no?
[04:53] <Desh> Hehe, ok, restart time...hope this works...
[04:57] <Mr_Grieves|U> I'm having difficulties installing kubuntu
[04:57] <Mr_Grieves|U> it's the x86_64 flavor of 5.10, and I can't get the xserver started
[04:58] <Mr_Grieves|U> it's a fresh install
[04:58] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, what video card do you have
[04:59] <Mr_Grieves|U> ati radeon mobility x600
[04:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try disabling hardware acceleration. I'll walk you through it if you don't know how.
[05:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> It worked for me. :)
[05:00] <Mr_Grieves|U> I'll need the help :)
[05:00] <jeff__> aw man im using a radeon mobility m6 too
[05:00] <jeff__> are you on an inspiron 4100?
[05:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> jeff__: Well, if you know of a better way to get it working, spout the knowledge. :)
[05:00] <Mr_Grieves|U> is it working ok for you, jeff__
[05:01] <jeff__> no
[05:01] <jeff__> i havent been able to get my 3d accel or tvout to work since i switched to linux
[05:01] <Mr_Grieves|U> well, we're off to a good start :)
[05:01] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, did you install xorg-driver-fglrx also maybe do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select ati or try fglrx
[05:01] <Mr_Grieves|U> I had trouble getting the ati drivers to work under Suse, too
[05:02] <jeff__> did you ever manage to get tvout?
[05:02] <Mr_Grieves|U> not yet...lemme try
[05:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> Let's just say that ATI drivers for Linux suck. :)
[05:02] <jeff__> they do
[05:02] <noiesmo> here here CheeseBurgerMan
[05:02] <Mr_Grieves|U> I'll drink to that
[05:02] <jeff__> and that its on a dell is even worse
[05:02] <jeff__> the dell guy actually got mad at me because im using linux
[05:02] <noiesmo> lol
[05:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> :o
[05:04] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, this is how I installed ati drivers sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:05] <jeff__> what does sudo dpkg-reconfigure do?
[05:05] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, check this http://pastebin.com/680323
[05:05] <noiesmo> jeff__, it reconfigures the setting on the package
[05:06] <noiesmo> jeff__, in the case of xorg it lets yu pick video drive res etc
[05:06] <jeff__> ok
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> So then 'sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup && sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx && sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r) && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' should be fine
[05:07] <Mr_Grieves|U> is fglrx included on the cd?
[05:07] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, no
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> since that will backup your xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
[05:07] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, should do dude
[05:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep, I'm running it. :)
[05:07] <noiesmo> nice
[05:07] <noiesmo> sweet
[05:07] <Mr_Grieves|U> cause if not I'll have to go ahead and set up ndiswrapper...
[05:07] <jeff__> what are you helping him do noiesmo?
[05:08] <noiesmo> Mr_Grieves|U, the drivers for ati are restricted and not inclued on cd
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mr_Grieves|U: Heh, you're installation is sounding like mine. Install, disable hardware acceleration, setup ndiswrapper.
[05:08] <noiesmo> jeff__, helping who do
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> your*
[05:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> jeff__: install ati drivers.
[05:08] <Mr_Grieves|U> :)
[05:09] <jeff__> noiesmo: so he gan get graphic accel?
[05:09] <Mr_Grieves|U> I love how you can't buy a notebook w\o windows and broadcom.....
[05:09] <noiesmo> jeff__, if the fglrx drivers work for his card he will have 3d accel
[05:09] <jeff__> oh i know
[05:09] <jeff__> i dont think they do
[05:09] <jeff__> i looked at the list of supported cards
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> Do I want to use kernel framebuffer device interface?
[05:10] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, go defaults on that
[05:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK
[05:11] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, i normall go defaults all the way except on the driver part select fglrx
[05:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe, OK.
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's what I'm doing. :)
[05:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, it's done.
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> suppose I should restart the X server now.
[05:13] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, no resart X and hopefully it work
[05:13] <noiesmo> brb
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> How do I just restart X?
[05:13] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh, OK
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Heh, look at that.
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> It automatically backed up my xorg.conf
[05:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> How nice of it. :)
[05:15] <Mr_Grieves|U> how do I install the kernel sources w\o an internet connection?
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mr_Grieves|U: Get everything working without the hardware acceleration, then try the better drivers.
[05:15] <CheeseBurgerMan> It'll be easier.
[05:16] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, how d you go
[05:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> I dunno yet, how do I just restart X?
[05:16] <noiesmo> K
[05:17] <Mr_Grieves|U> i need the sources so I can get ndiswrapper, so I can get a connection, so I can get the drivers, so I get the drivers :)
[05:17] <CheeseBurgerMan> Mr_Grieves|U: You can get ndiswrapper setup without an internet connection. :)
[05:17] <Mr_Grieves|U> actually, know that I'm thinking about it, I may already have the driver sources somewhere on my hdd from my suse install...
[05:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK,  BRB, gonna try the drivers.
[05:23] <Mr_Grieves|U> how do I get ndiswrapper installed w\o the sources?
[05:28] <Mr_Grieves|U> time for bed...I'll be back later
[05:29] <CheeseBurgerMan> Well...that certainly didn't work. :)
[05:38] <mischko> Where do I point Aspect to get the latest beta of kubuntu?
[05:39] <mischko> s/Aspect/Adept
[05:42] <mischko> Where do I point Adept to get the latest beta of kubuntu?
[05:42] <mischko> I'm running from a CD install of 5.1
[05:44] <xwolf-> i got a little problem here... i have just reinstalled winxp and GRUB is not initializing anymore, since win has taken over the boot thingie... how can i fix it?
[05:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> !grub
[05:44] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[05:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> Try the second link. :)
[05:44] <xwolf-> thanks :)
[05:48] <jeff__> SEX
[05:49] <mischko> Where do I point Adept to get the latest beta of kubuntu?
[05:49] <jeff__> dude
[05:49] <jeff__> are you on breezY?
[05:51] <mischko> jeff__: kubuntu 5.10 = breezy?
[05:51] <jeff__> yeah
[05:51] <mischko> yup.
[05:51] <jeff__> you have to change your sources.list
[05:51] <mischko> right. what do I put in?
[05:51] <jeff__> change everything that says breezy to dapper
[05:52] <mischko> ok
[05:52] <jeff__> then atp-get update
[05:52] <jeff__> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:52] <mischko> Thanks.
[05:52] <jeff__> np
[05:56] <noiesmo> CheeseBurgerMan, i'm back didnt it work
[05:57] <jeff__> lol
[05:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> noiesmo: Nope, it didn't.
[05:58] <jeff__> noiesmo: what is your computers make and model?
[05:59] <noiesmo> amd xp2500 ati 9800pro but now back on nvidia as ati had a problem it worked but it was faulty and id get wierd lines from time to time worked good 90% but got annoying
[06:00] <jeff__> lol ok
[06:08] <JeffAMcGee> Howdy
[06:14] <sig-11> Hi everyone. I'm using kubuntu 5.10 and trying to rebuild one of the tools provided by "shadow" (newgrp). ./configure results in: config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/Makefile.in. Google didn't turn up anything at all. Is it a bug with the shadow source package? Does anyone have any ideas?
[06:32] <httpdss> sig-11: newgrp is allready packaged inside the login package
[06:34] <sig-11> One of our coders has modified newgrp and needs to rebuild it. I'm here on his behalf...
[06:34] <sig-11> the source package appears to be missing debian/Makefile.in
[06:35] <fatejudger> how big of a flash drive would you need to install Kubuntu on it?
[06:37] <me2win> fatejudger: server version or with gui?
[06:37] <fatejudger> gui...
[06:38] <me2win> no more than 3 gbs
[06:38] <fatejudger> lol
[06:38] <me2win> maybe even less than 1
[06:38] <fatejudger> idiot
[06:38] <fatejudger> I'm looking at a 1 GB flash drive
[06:38] <fatejudger> for 25 bucks
[06:39] <fatejudger> I want to boot it at school
[06:39] <me2win> i know some people have ti down to like 500mb
[06:39] <fatejudger> how?
[06:39] <me2win> fatejudger: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/10/taking_linux_on_the_road_with_ubuntu/
[06:40] <fatejudger> old
[06:40] <fatejudger> I heard something about dapper being easier to install on a flash drive
[06:40] <me2win> probably the UbuntuUSB distro
[06:41] <me2win> nvm
[06:41] <me2win> that requires 10gb
[06:42] <fatejudger> I guess I could buy a 2GB flash drive
[06:42] <fatejudger> but that's so dumb
[06:42] <me2win> fatejudger: seagate sells those 5gb ones for like 89 bucks
[06:42] <fatejudger> all I really want is a solid IDE and my documents
[06:42] <fatejudger> JEdit sucks though
[06:42] <fatejudger> the text is all funky
[06:43] <me2win> you could use Damn Small
[06:43] <fatejudger> I'd rather use Xubuntu
[06:43] <fatejudger> but that's really dumb
[06:43] <fatejudger> since the macs at my school are really nice
[06:43] <fatejudger> they could easily run KDE
[06:44] <me2win> you could use Damn Small Linux Not
[06:46] <fatejudger> I'd rather use Xubuntu than that
[06:46] <fatejudger> what I really want is to be able to use Kate
[06:46] <fatejudger> I guess I COULD use another editor like Gedit
[06:46] <fatejudger> but Gnome is evil...
[06:47] <fatejudger> I'm wondering how useful all of this will be
[06:47] <fatejudger> it's cool, but the comp sci building is on the complete opposite side of campus from where I work and park
[06:47] <fatejudger> sig-11: lol
[06:47] <fatejudger> kate kicks ass
[06:47] <me2win> fatejudger: then park closer...
[06:47] <fatejudger> I can't
[06:48] <fatejudger> our school has a parking problem
[06:48] <me2win> fatejudger: do what i did
[06:48] <fatejudger> because it's run by a bunch of liberals
[06:48] <me2win> park and take your bike to school
[06:48] <me2win> so you can ride to class
[06:48] <fatejudger> dude, I don't have to
[06:48] <fatejudger> I park close enough that that is silly to do
[06:48] <me2win> then why are you complaining
[06:48] <me2win> just walk
[06:48] <fatejudger> because, I don't want to walk 10 minutes just to use a computer
[06:48] <me2win> then use your laptop
[06:48] <fatejudger> I'd rather just use my laptop
[06:49] <me2win> and if its ten minutes
[06:49] <me2win> then take the bike
[06:49] <fatejudger> I just get pissed off with the lack of internet
[06:49] <fatejudger> I'm wondering how pissed off they'd get at me for booting Linux on those computers
[06:49] <fatejudger> even if I'm only emulating it
[06:49] <me2win> lol
[06:49] <me2win> you can boot inside windows with DSL i believe
[06:50] <fatejudger> well Macs have great emulation
[06:50] <fatejudger> so I should be able to emulate Linux easily
[06:50] <me2win> yeh
[06:50] <fatejudger> I wonder if you can boot a Linux live cd that way
[06:51] <me2win> not sure
[06:52] <fatejudger> yeah, it looks like you can
[06:54] <me2win> using?
[06:54] <fatejudger> live cds
[06:54] <fatejudger> or usb flash
[06:54] <fatejudger> mac is really good with the emulation
[06:56] <fatejudger> I guess I could just have netbeans for Windows and Mac installed on it
[06:56] <fatejudger> and have my documents on there
[06:56] <me2win> use eclipse
[06:56] <fatejudger> netbeans
[06:56] <me2win> runs off an EXE
[06:56] <fatejudger> netbeans is better, it has Matisse
[06:56] <fatejudger> you're not cool enough for Matisse
[06:56] <fatejudger> that's why you use Eclipse
[06:57] <me2win> oh lord
[06:58] <fatejudger> jedit has a cross platform version
[06:58] <fatejudger> but the text is ugly
[06:58] <fatejudger> and it too does not have matisse
[06:58] <fatejudger> nothing will be as cool as booting linux either
[06:59] <me2win> there is a difference between cool and unneccesary
[06:59] <fatejudger> well with Linux I'll have KOffice
[06:59] <fatejudger> meh, you're right
[07:00] <me2win> im sure your school as word
[07:00] <fatejudger> I'll just buy a tiny one and deal with it
[07:00] <fatejudger> is it any cheaper to buy two USB keys on newegg rather than one?
[07:00] <fatejudger> as far as shipping goes
[07:02] <fatejudger> what FS do those USB drives usually use?
[07:04] <me2win> fatejudger: whatever FS you ant
[07:04] <me2win> but they come with FAT
[07:06] <me2win> fatejudger: buy that 5gb seagate, its awesome, my brother has one
[07:06] <fatejudger> that's got to be huge
[07:06] <fatejudger> and expensive
[07:06] <me2win> fatejudger: nah, fits int he palm of your hand, and is 90 bucks
[07:06] <fatejudger> way more than the 25 dollar 1 gig flash drive
[07:07] <me2win> fatejudger: yeah well, for you, being cheap is more important than being smart ;)
[07:07] <fatejudger> wtf
[07:07] <fatejudger> having a small drive is smart
[07:07] <me2win> like i said
[07:08] <me2win> being cheap is more important to you than being smart
[07:08] <jeff__> what are we arguing about now?
[07:08] <me2win> lol
[07:08] <me2win> fatejudger: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148132
[07:09] <fatejudger> you couldn't put that in your pocket
[07:09] <me2win> its 3.1", of yourse you can
[07:09] <fatejudger> you'd look like an idiot, even more so than you currently do
[07:09] <me2win> if you can stick your hand in your pocket
[07:09] <me2win> you can put that in your pocket
[07:10] <me2win> its tiny
[07:10] <me2win> its like 2 usb drives side by side
[07:10] <fatejudger> why not have 1 usb drive?
[07:10] <fatejudger> I'm still not convinced I even need all of this
[07:10] <me2win> because the capacity on this one is larger
[07:11] <fatejudger> I'm never going to use it but for transferring documents
[07:11] <fatejudger> I'll end up using my laptop instead
[07:11] <fatejudger> I'll just get a tiny one for an IDE and document transfer
[07:11] <fatejudger> it'll be good enough
[07:12] <me2win> i suppose
[07:12] <me2win> if you have a laptop, then you can use the laptop
[07:12] <me2win> i guess its more practical if you dont have a laptop
[07:12] <fatejudger> yeah
[07:13] <fatejudger> my laptop is anything but practical
[07:13] <fatejudger> it weighs more than your fat ass
[07:13] <me2win> lol
[07:14] <me2win> i weigh less than you
[07:14] <fatejudger> how much?
[07:14] <me2win> 130
[07:14] <fatejudger> same here
[07:14] <me2win> bah
[07:14] <fatejudger> and I'm 6'
[07:14] <fatejudger> what are you?
[07:14] <me2win> 5'7
[07:14] <fatejudger> 4'10"
[07:14] <fatejudger> midget
[07:14] <me2win> but alot of my weight is muscle
[07:15] <fatejudger> and that fat clogging your  brain
[07:15] <jeff__> lol
[07:15] <fatejudger> I hate KPilot
[07:15] <fatejudger> it never works
[07:16] <fatejudger> why can't I just hotsync my palm pilot without worries?
[07:16] <crimsun> win 23
[07:16] <crimsun> err, sorry
[07:16] <me2win> fatejudger: because you touch yourself at night
[07:16] <fatejudger> it detects my palm pilot fine
[07:16] <fatejudger> but it just won't hotsync
[07:16] <fatejudger> I hate it
[07:17] <me2win> fatejudger: im sure it hates you too, you know you are a very hateable person
[07:24] <fatejudger> finally
[07:24] <fatejudger> I changed the speed
[07:24] <fatejudger> and it works now
[07:24] <fatejudger> avantgo works in linux too
[07:24] <fatejudger> I wish that the document thing worked too
[07:28] <kkathman> yo fatejudger!   Good job :)
[07:29] <fatejudger> kkathman: thanks!
[07:29] <fatejudger> lol
[07:31] <me2win> kkathman: nice job leaving offtopic XD
[07:31] <kkathman> XD ?
[07:31] <me2win> like :D except XD
[07:31] <kkathman> oh hehe
[07:32] <me2win> ive never ever used that smiley before, dont know why I tried it now lol
[07:33] <kkathman> I hadnt removed #k-o from my autosignin
[07:33] <me2win> ah
[07:33] <kkathman> I rebooted into dapper, and it was still there
[07:33] <kkathman> I fixed it
[07:34] <kkathman> me2win:  Hey I've been delving into Ajax :)
[07:35] <me2win> kkathman: nice. I haven't really found a reason to yet. Mostly because fatejudger always harasses me about learning more about it.
[07:36] <kkathman> its an interesting approach - kinda like having .NET apps without the .NET overhead
[07:36] <me2win> yeh
[07:36] <me2win> I was going to make the login system for that poker website ajax
[07:37] <kkathman> its not a tremendous stretch, because I know Javascript reasonably well
[07:37] <me2win> but the turnaround time for it needed to be quick, so i didnt have time to learn/implement
[07:37] <kkathman> well, the key is really to know when you can use it, and when to use straightforward scripting
[07:38] <kkathman> Im just scratching the surface now, have coded a couple of things
[07:38] <me2win> cool
[07:38] <me2win> where are you learning about it from?
[07:38] <kkathman> the asynchronous aspect of it can certainly make the web app appear to be more responsive and less clunky
[07:38] <kkathman> I got this really excellent book called "Head Rush Ajax"
[07:39] <kkathman> its excelent
[07:39] <me2win> nice
[07:39] <kkathman> you are writing your first stuff by the end of the 1st chapter...good presentation, easy to follow
[07:39] <kkathman> Its an O'Reilly Book
[07:40] <me2win> nice
[07:40] <kkathman> I have alot of respect for them
[07:40] <me2win> im adding it to my bn.com wishlist as we speak
[07:40] <kkathman> yah thats where I got it
[07:40] <kkathman> only I was at the store :)
[07:40] <me2win> heh
[07:41] <me2win> I've always like the visual quickstart guides
[07:41] <kkathman> Its a unique book...very visual... they use alot of different techniques to get you to learn
[07:42] <kkathman> I thought it would just be - big woop...Javascript and XML
[07:42] <kkathman> but the overally techonological approach is very challenging and broad
[07:42] <me2win> heh
[07:42] <me2win> i bet
[07:42] <me2win> its only good if you implement it right
[07:42] <kkathman> they weave PHP alot into it, which is very good for me
[07:43] <kkathman> yes exactly, and they DO spend some good time explaining WHEN to use it and when not to
[07:43] <me2win> nice
[07:44] <kkathman> no disk with it, but the examples and sample code is all online through their website
[07:44] <me2win> I'll most likely be buying it on my next paycheck
[07:44] <me2win> i have 6 books on my wishlist
[07:45] <kkathman> I might use it only sparsely, but when I do, it will be a really nice improvement
[07:45] <me2win> cool
[07:45] <kkathman> me2win:  have you ever gone back and taken a look at a client's site you programmed say 2 years ago
[07:45] <kkathman> and then said "OMG I cant believe I did it that way!!!"
[07:46] <me2win> kkathman: lol yes, several times
[07:46] <kkathman> there's a good and bad to that...you feel good that you have progressed..but feel bad that the client paid you for such primitive code :)
[07:47] <kkathman> I actually got called by an old client end of last week, wanting me to touch up her site
[07:47] <kkathman> I looked at it and holy cow I hadnt used any CSS, and there were like <font> clauses everywhere
[07:47] <me2win> lol
[07:48] <kkathman> I felt like  " Did I really used to do that!!"
[07:49] <superdump> hello
[07:49] <kkathman> so thats why I'll learn Ajax, so that in 2 years I can go back to the sites Ive just done and say 'Wow I cant believe ti did that!!"
[07:49] <superdump> i have the kubuntu dapper live install cd
[07:49] <me2win> i look at my current website and think that same thing because i haven't had time to redo it
[07:49] <superdump> is it possible to run a text mode install from it?
[07:50] <kkathman> superdump:  no, afraid not..but you can test things
[07:50] <superdump> the live installation gui closes with no error messages when it gets to the partition section
[07:50] <superdump> bah
[07:50] <superdump> i guess i'll have to burn another cd with the text mode installer on it then
[07:50] <kkathman> but it would "install"  except from the fact that if you get it to boot, chances are your equipment is fine
[07:50] <kkathman> Live CD's are good to have around anyway superdump :)
[07:51] <kkathman> so dont throw it away
[07:51] <superdump> i know
[07:51] <superdump> it's just a pain... :)
[07:51] <kkathman> well, if you can boot and get online, etc with the LIveCD, then you'll likely not have anyproblems
[07:52] <superdump> another question, is it possible to prevent kubuntu booting into X
[07:52] <kkathman> so its a good "test"
[07:52] <superdump> kkathman: i'm using the livecd right now
[07:52] <kkathman> excellent!
[07:52] <kkathman> good job..that should make you feel good :)
[07:52] <superdump> but i can't install because when it gets to the partitioning section of the graphical installer it crashes
[07:52] <superdump> why should it make me feel good? i put in a cd and it booted
[07:53] <superdump> i'd expect that
[07:53] <kkathman> superdump:  well, a Live CD goes through a full equipment checkout
[07:53] <superdump> and i want to prevent kubuntu booting into X because for some reason my nvidia drivers don't like my PCI-E 7800GT
[07:53] <kkathman> many times if there are incompatibilities the LIve CD wont work and you'll know them ahead of time without a destructive install
[07:54] <superdump> i switched from an AGP 6800GT (so yes, the chipset has changed but it seemed to cope with that)
[07:54] <kkathman> ahhh yeah.. Im not sure of the status of support of PCI-E
[07:54] <kkathman> across the board I mean
[07:54] <superdump> i guess i could mount the partition and edit the xorg.conf
[07:54] <kkathman> if you are comfy doing that...sure
[07:55] <superdump> i am
[07:55] <kkathman> kewl
[07:55] <superdump> so there's no key combo to stop X booting and just go straight to a console login?
[07:55] <me2win> there is the runlevel
[07:55] <me2win> but
[07:55] <me2win> since its on a live CD, you can't really change it
[07:56] <kkathman> superdump:  hmm at boot add a 3
[07:56] <kkathman> oh maybe so..never tried with a LIve CD
[07:56] <kkathman> I dont know if you get that option on the LIve CD
[07:57] <me2win> im sure you can
[07:57] <me2win> cuz its runlevel 3 that does cli
[07:57] <kkathman> right
[07:58] <kkathman> grub should let you
[07:58] <kkathman> but I've never done it
[07:58] <kkathman> i had to do that one time on my SUSE install, because KDE let out a bad initial kdeboot proggy
[07:58] <me2win> grub isn't on the live CD
[07:59] <kkathman> and had  to bypass a service
[07:59] <kkathman> me2win: well whatever the bootloader is right
[07:59] <kkathman> something has to tell it to get the linux image
[07:59] <kkathman> vmlinuz
[07:59] <kkathman> off the CD
[08:01] <superdump> hmm
[08:01] <superdump> does the xorg nv driver support 7800GTs?
[08:02] <kkathman> that I dont know
[08:02] <me2win> not sure
[08:02] <Tm_T> superdump: well, you should use "nvidia"
[08:02] <kkathman> yah, if you can, use nvidia, not nv
[08:02] <Tm_T> nv is really slow here :(
[08:03] <superdump> Tm_T: i know, but like i said, i upgraded my hardware yesterday and while it detected the chipset change ok, it didn't like the graphics card change
[08:03] <superdump> and as it always boots straight into X, that's a problem
[08:03] <superdump> but i've told it to use the vesa driver for the moment until i sort out the nvidia binary drivers again
[08:03] <kkathman> man I was finally able to get my nvidia driver loaded in SuSE and what a big difference!!
[08:04] <superdump> thanks for your assistance
[08:04] <Tm_T> yah, nv should be ok
[08:04] <superdump> bye bye
[08:04] <kkathman> I have a real old nvidia card
[08:04] <kkathman> nv is fine if you dont wanna play games etc.
[08:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: hehe, let me guess, like night and day?
[08:04] <kkathman> but its also good cuz it offloads the CPU
[08:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: here it's really slow in 2d even
[08:04] <kkathman> yeah
[08:05] <Tm_T> just changing desktops took seconds
[08:05] <kkathman> im getting 1350 on glxgears
[08:05] <kkathman> and thats not bad considering I have a very old card
[08:05] <kkathman> thats under SUSE tho...havent installed an nvidia under dapper
[08:07] <fatejudger> what I don't understand is how SuSE manages to find 4 discs worth of bloatware to stick in their distro
[08:07] <fatejudger> I mean seriously
[08:07] <fatejudger> I didn't know there were that many programs out there
[08:09] <me2win> fatejudger: seriously
[08:09] <kkathman> fatejudger:  actually, its really not that at all
[08:10] <kkathman> the disks are merely the contents of many basical programs that you can also get from the repositories. You dont have to have all 5 CDs
[08:10] <kkathman> but if, for some reason, you dont have an internet connection, you can install and get most applications up and running without one.
[08:11] <kkathman> its no more bloatware, than programs in any repository
[08:11] <fatejudger> kkathman: yeah, but I can do the same thing with a Kubuntu install
[08:11] <fatejudger> kkathman: what programs do I need other than what comes by default?
[08:11] <fatejudger> kkathman: other than Dappers awesomeness features like Kerry and KDE Network Manager
[08:12] <kkathman> fatejudger:  I can install SUSE using a single CD also, the same as kubuntu.
[08:12] <fatejudger> will that give me an office suite?
[08:12] <kkathman> but for instance, I like kvirc for my IRC client, and thats not a normal thing
[08:12] <kkathman> fatejudger: of course it will
[08:12] <fatejudger> what's wrong with Konversation?
[08:12] <fatejudger> Konversation is kool
[08:13] <kkathman> fatejudger:  I personally dont like the tabbed environment...just a personal preference :)
[08:13] <kkathman> konversation is a good program tho :)
[08:13] <fatejudger> KDE apps and tabs are practically synonymous now
[08:13] <kkathman> well many prefer that environment, but Linux is all about preference :)
[08:14] <fatejudger> absolutely
[08:14] <kkathman> and I like kvirc :)
[08:14] <kkathman> but other programs...KMyMoney for instance
[08:14] <kkathman> thats not in a standard install
[08:14] <me2win> i use xchat cuz i have a cussing problem and it filters that for me
[08:14] <kkathman> you have to apt-get install that
[08:14] <fatejudger> how is that program btw?
[08:14] <kkathman> that would be a program that might be on the disk
[08:15] <fatejudger> I have to use MS Money in Windows, but it'd be better not to have to
[08:15] <kkathman> KMyMOney is very nice... I think its one of the few apps thats equal to its counterpart
[08:15] <kkathman> fatejudger:  you should give it a try
[08:15] <kkathman> very full featured
[08:15] <fatejudger> which is?
[08:16] <kkathman> Quicken/MS Money
[08:16] <fatejudger> I just hope I can import my existing financial info
[08:16] <kkathman> there are import functions...I know you can offload/upload Quicken files
[08:16] <fatejudger> maybe MS Money can export to Quicken
[08:16] <fatejudger> I doubt it
[08:17] <kkathman> I'd imagine it can...just for market's sake :)
[08:17] <kkathman> haha
[08:17] <kkathman> and vice versa probably
[08:17] <fatejudger> hopefully
[08:17] <kkathman> there is some "universal" format
[08:17] <kkathman> for that financial stuff and Quicken offloads in it
[08:17] <kkathman> I imagine MS Money does too
[08:17] <fatejudger> it should at the very least import
[08:18] <fatejudger> but that doesn't help me :P
[08:18] <kkathman> its worth a simple download and an afternoon playing with it
[08:18] <kkathman> its pretty intuitive..espc  if you use Quicken or MSMoney now
[08:19] <fatejudger> hmm
[08:19] <fatejudger> I'm surprised someone took the time to make that program
[08:19] <kkathman> fatejudger:  I believe there is a good web page on KMyMoney with screenshots
[08:19] <fatejudger> one of my favorite things about KDE is its extensive list of applications
[08:19] <kkathman> probably can Google it easily
[08:19] <fatejudger> it just can't be surpassed
[08:31] <hue> hhh
[08:31] <me2win> iii
[08:32] <fatejudger> weirdness, on my laptop I have 3 packages kept back
[08:32] <fatejudger> they've been like that for a couple of weeks now
[08:33] <fatejudger> but nothing like that on my desktop
[08:33] <fatejudger> librdf0, python-mysqldb, and python2.4-mysqldb
[08:33] <hue> mm
[08:33] <hue> :)
[08:33] <hue> way
[08:34] <me2win> fatejudger: i keep getting these wierd errors about ogg desktop or something like that
[08:34] <fatejudger> I have those on my desktop
[08:34] <fatejudger> but not on my laptop
[08:34] <fatejudger> lol
[08:34] <me2win> lol
[08:35] <fatejudger> both are broken in their own ways.... :(
[08:35] <fatejudger> I guess I'll reinstall both this weekend
[08:35] <fatejudger> with the new beta
[08:35] <me2win> i have to buy a PCI USB card this weekend lol
[08:35] <me2win> and then deal with the problems that stem from that
[08:35] <me2win> we all know you cant install new hardware without something going wrong
[08:36] <fatejudger> lol
[08:36] <fatejudger> cheaper to buy that than a new mobo?
[08:36] <fatejudger> pci usb = slow
[08:36] <me2win> definately. 25 bucks for one of those
[08:37] <fatejudger> !networkmanager
[08:37] <ubotu> I guess networkmanager is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkmanagerHowto
[08:39] <fatejudger> I think the Kubuntu people love to change the font every month just to keep people on their toes
[08:42] <me2win> fatejudger: agreed.
[08:46] <fatejudger> oh wow, this kde network manager thing is teh awesomeness
[08:48] <fatejudger> it trancends awesomeness
[08:48] <fatejudger> into a level of its own
[08:50] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:53] <fatejudger> I never thought I'd see the day that network connections were easier in Linux than in Windows
[08:53] <fatejudger> but today, it has happened
[09:09] <paines> hi
[09:34] <_harm> hi all, how do i get a performance grapgh on my desktop?
[09:34] <public> hi
[09:34] <me2win> _harm: performance of what
[09:35] <public>    konnichiwa
[09:36] <me2win> hey public
[09:36] <_harm> me2win CPU Network such things, you know one of those cool desktop graphs
[09:36] <public> hello
[09:36] <public> how are you?
[09:36] <_harm> we are all good i hope
[09:37] <me2win> _harm: most common way is using superkaramba widgets
[09:37] <me2win> public: im doing good, how are you
[09:37] <public> onaji dayo.....same
[09:37] <_harm> domo?
[09:39] <public> nihonjin?
[09:42] <public> me2win
[09:42] <me2win> public: yes?
[09:47] <public> where are you from?
[09:48] <me2win> public: San Antonio, TX, USA
[09:51] <public> I'm from Java
[09:51] <public> Indonesia
[09:51] <public> but sorry
[09:51] <public> I have to go
[09:51] <public> see you later
[09:51] <public> bye
[09:51] <Pyre>  Hasta luego, amigo.
[10:24] <Chameleon22> is there a file like on RH based systems that executes everytime a machine boots?
[10:24] <Den> Hi - What's the best mail client program for KDE - something that will manage multiple mail accounts?
[10:26] <Chameleon22> evolution is nice and will run on kde although its a gnome app, kmail is also very good
[10:26] <Chameleon22> thunderbird will run on anything really but i dont like it
[10:26] <paines> Chameleon22: for dapper /etc/rc.local
[10:27] <paines> Den: kmail can handle multiple accounts
[10:27] <Chameleon22> paines, on breeze mate
[10:27] <paines> Chameleon22: I think  breezy has /etc/initi.d/boot.local. not sure
[10:27] <Den> paines: Any idea why kmail isn't installed with the default kubuntu (dapper is whaqt I'm running)?
[10:28] <paines> Den: it is installed by default. pretty sure
[10:28] <Chameleon22> paines, doesnt look like it, doesnt matter will make my own
[10:28] <Chameleon22> paines, just link it into rc2.d
[10:28] <Chameleon22> hrmm
[10:29] <Den> paines: It's not installed in my system - Is that a bug? Shoud someone be notified, so that it is installed by default?
[10:29] <Chameleon22> Den, look for kontact
[10:30] <paines> Den: what did you use for install dapper. update from breezy, flightX or beta cd's ?
[10:30] <Chameleon22> kmail is part of it, just in the menu its under kontact , you can launch it from console and add icon to menu your self
[10:30] <Den> Chameleon22: I see contact. & am starting it now
[10:30] <Chameleon22> ok
[10:31] <Den> ainesI installed Dapper iso, IIRC
[10:31] <paines> well. that's confusing. cause kmail ist kde's default mail client. and so it must be installed with kubuntu.
[10:31] <Den> paines: I installed Dapper iso, IIRC
[10:31] <Chameleon22> paines, it is
[10:31] <Chameleon22> my parents know how to use kubuntu but not windows
[10:31] <Chameleon22> damn proud of the old folks
[10:31] <Chameleon22> lol
[10:40] <vge> how do i make a shortcut for myself in kubuntu? i mean a systemwide command. there must be a easier way than to edit .bash_profile?
[10:42] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[10:42] <ubotu> well, symlink is ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[10:42] <Hobbsee> vge: create a symlink
[10:53] <tiggy|lappy> I've got a problem
[10:55] <tiggy|lappy> when I start up, kdm runs as usual and I type in my name and password.  Then, the screen goes terminal black with a blinking cursor in the corner
[10:56] <tiggy|lappy> then, kdm starts again
[10:56] <tiggy|lappy> it's like x is suddenly crashing as soon as I log in
[10:57] <tiggy|lappy> I just tried making a new user and trying to log in, and it does the same thing
[10:57] <tiggy|lappy> failsafe works
[10:58] <tiggy|lappy> what could be my problem?
[11:12] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: hm.. what graphic driver you use?
[11:12] <tiggy|lappy> uhhh
[11:13] <tiggy|lappy> it's onboard.  I didn't install one
[11:14] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: hm.. you are on a notebook?
[11:14] <tiggy|lappy> yes, an acer travelmate tablet pc
[11:14] <tiggy|lappy> it was working before
[11:14] <tiggy|lappy> and I have the same problem with a newly created user
[11:14] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: think there is a ati inside..
[11:14] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: you get no X right?
[11:14] <tiggy|lappy> I get X
[11:15] <tiggy|lappy> it starts kdm, I can log in failsafe and it works
[11:15] <tiggy|lappy> but just recently when I try and log in regularly with any user it dies
[11:15] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: you get the kubunt login scrren?
[11:15] <tiggy|lappy> yes
[11:16] <tiggy|lappy> as soon as I log in, X goes byebye
[11:16] <tiggy|lappy> where are the logs for something like that?
[11:17] <noaXess_kubuntu> tiggy|lappy: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:17] <Dr3as>  check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:17] <Dr3as> heh, u beat me
[11:17] <noaXess_kubuntu> Dr3as: yea :)
[11:17] <tiggy|lappy> oh I bet this is related to my tablet
[11:17] <tiggy|lappy> does kdm also start evdev?
[11:20] <DeadS0ul> you can check for that in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[11:20] <DeadS0ul> I think
 vge: create a symlink <-- sry im little late, but how i create a symlink that works from every folder?
[11:23] <vge> ic
[11:25] <tiggy|lappy> ugh, kdm crashes when I try and log into gnome as well.  I'm going to restart, brb
[11:40] <tiggy|lappy> okay, it's totally a problem with kdm.  I just switched to gdm at it works
[11:40] <tiggy|lappy> for some reason kdm is crashing whenever I try to log in with any user to any desktop environment
[11:48] <DeadS0ul> check out teh kdm log in /var/log/kdm yet?
[11:49] <DeadS0ul> s/kdm/kdm.log
[11:53] <gogo> hi,everyone
[11:56] <tiggy|lappy> geez, it's setting up my tablet really badly
[11:56] <tiggy|lappy> stuff like pressure minimum: 64, maximum: 63.  Maybe that's why kdm is crashing
[12:17] <tweek> salut tt le monde
[12:20] <nico8481> hi
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi nico8481
[12:40] <twosouls82> in what way does "Kubuntu 6.06 LTS Beta Released" defer from "Dapper Flight 6"?
[12:41] <twosouls82> is someone using the Beta, and does it work properly?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> twosouls82: a few updates.  if you keep upgrading from dapper flight 6, you'll get to the beta, then past that, as there have been more updates
[12:42] <twosouls82> Hobbsee: do you use the Beta already?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> twosouls82: i have used dapper since flight 1, so yeah
[12:42] <Hobbsee> twosouls82: do you have flight 6 installed already?
[12:43] <twosouls82> Hobbsee: I was distro hopping, so no, I currently only have a working ArchLinux installation
[12:43] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:44] <Hobbsee> twosouls82: each of the flights, and the beta, are snapshots of an always-updating release...
[12:44] <twosouls82> and Flight 6 gave me errors
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ah great
[12:44] <mendred> is neone here using initng with dapper?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> mendred: i dont, have you tried it?
[12:44] <mendred> yeah its working fine
[12:44] <mendred> only one funny thing
[12:44] <mendred> knetworkmanager
[12:44] <mendred> shows status as connecting all the time
[12:45] <mendred> though my network is working
[12:45] <Hobbsee> that's weird
[12:45] <Hobbsee> try running it thru a console, see what it says...
[12:45] <Hobbsee> then it shows the debug output...
[12:45] <mendred> hmmmm k...
[12:46] <mendred> hmm got thrown back to the console after a couple of messages
[12:46] <mendred> is there any arg i need to pass?
[12:47] <mendred> neways i have a feeling this has to do with the changes i had to make to net.i to get network working
[12:47] <mendred> otherwise np..boots up in 36 sec shuts down in 10 :)
[12:47] <apricot> how to run programs on startup*
[12:47] <apricot> ?
[12:48] <apricot> anybody alive here?
[12:50] <mendred> hey apricot
[12:51] <apricot> hello, how to run programs on startup?
[12:51] <mendred> u can put ur command in ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:51] <apricot> tnx.
[12:51] <mendred> depends actually what prog is it?
[12:52] <mendred> cause if it is a system service
[12:52] <mendred> u need to enable it in system settings..
[12:55] <apricot> it is a pon-dsl provider
[12:55] <mendred> oh
[12:55] <mendred> then u can enable it
[12:55] <mendred> in system setting
[12:55] <mendred> if i remember right
[12:55] <mendred> one sec
[12:56] <mendred> there should be something called ppp in  services in system settings
[12:58] <mendred> in runlevel 2
[12:58] <mendred> enable yes on start at boot section
[12:58] <mendred> that should take care of it
[01:00] <apricot> is this a support chanel?
[01:01] <mendred> yup
[01:01] <apricot> why so little questions?
[01:02] <apricot> everybody uses gnome?
[01:02] <Jun> That's a question.
[01:02] <mendred> heh its rather silent here today :)
[01:02] <mendred> maybe because kde requires little support ? :))
[01:02] <apricot> i still didn't found how to run dsl on startup
[01:02] <mendred> k
[01:02] <mendred> open system settings
[01:03] <mendred> click system services
[01:03] <mendred> click on the runlevel combo box
[01:03] <mendred> select runlevel 2
[01:03] <apricot> do not have system services
[01:03] <mendred> scroll down the list
[01:03] <mendred> is there a section called system administration?
[01:04] <apricot> yes
[01:04] <mendred> there is no entry called system services there?
[01:04] <apricot> ok, found that
[01:04] <mendred> pls to be clicking that
[01:04] <apricot> i am not in admin mode
[01:05] <mendred> np click on the admin mode button
[01:05] <mendred> and enter ur password
[01:05] <apricot> where in services, i cannot
[01:05] <apricot> everything is grey
[01:06] <mendred> ummm there is an administrator mode button
[01:06] <mendred> down to the right
[01:06] <apricot> ah
[01:07] <apricot> ppp is enabled at startup.
[01:07] <mendred> wait
[01:07] <mendred> click on the runlevel combo
[01:07] <mendred> and select mode 2
[01:08] <apricot> yes
[01:08] <mendred> ppp is enabled?
[01:09] <apricot> yes
[01:09] <mendred> thats wierd
[01:10] <mendred> oh well.. in that case
[01:10] <mendred> open a text editor
[01:10] <mendred> kedit
[01:10] <mendred> type the command there
[01:11] <apricot> ok
[01:11] <apricot> and
[01:11] <mendred> and save it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:11] <mendred> give it any name say netcon
[01:11] <mendred> then goto a terminal
[01:12] <mendred> enter the ~/.kde/Autostart folder
[01:12] <mendred> via konqueror
[01:12] <mendred> and press F4
[01:12] <mendred> that should drop u into a konsole
[01:12] <apricot> and
[01:12] <mendred> in there type chmod 744 <urfilename>
 being the name u saved it under
[01:13] <Hobbsee> mendred: i agree with you...
[01:13] <mendred> Hobbsee: ????????????
[01:13] <apricot> ok
[01:13] <Hobbsee> on why kde's so quiet...
[01:13] <mendred> oh :)
[01:14] <apricot> that's it?
[01:14] <mendred> btw Hobbsee do u need to set exec permissions to files saved in Autostart folder?
[01:14] <mendred> yeah thats it
[01:14] <Hobbsee> i didnt think so...
[01:14] <Hobbsee> i thought an ordinary symlink wors fine
[01:14] <Hobbsee> *works
[01:14] <apricot> how to see hidden files and folders in konqueror?
[01:14] <Hobbsee> apricot: view
[01:15] <apricot> ok
[01:15] <Hobbsee> show hidden files
[01:15] <mendred> Hobbsee: any better way to do the pon dsl-provider thing on startup?
[01:15] <mendred> cause i suddenly realised it will run the thing even if he restarts X
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm....maybe stick it in the stuff where the machine boots up - in init.d or something.  iv'e got no idea how to do that
[01:16] <mendred> hmm
[01:16] <apricot> what is equal to synaptic in kde?
[01:16] <mendred> in kubuntu its adept
[01:16] <apricot> ok
[01:17] <apricot> i do not see kmail icon in kmenu.
[01:18] <apricot> and i made one, and puted it on panel but the default icon want change.
[01:18] <apricot> on the desktop i see icon and on the panel is default icon
[01:19] <mendred> hmmm apricot in the kmenu >office>kontact
[01:19] <mendred> thats a shell for running kmail knode etc..
[01:20] <apricot> kontact=kmail?
[01:20] <mendred> kontact=kmail+other things
[01:20] <apricot> stupid question
[01:20] <mendred> nah not really
[01:20] <mendred> btw apricot
[01:21] <mendred> when u connect to ur dsl provider
[01:21] <mendred> do u have to do a poff
[01:21] <mendred> first
[01:21] <mendred> and then do a pon dsl-provider?
[01:21] <apricot> no
[01:21] <mendred> hmmm k..
[01:22] <mendred> well did u use pppoeconf to setup ur dsl thingy?
[01:22] <mendred> cause that has an option to start at bootup
[01:22] <apricot> yes
[01:22] <apricot> it starts in gnome
[01:24] <mendred> strange
[01:24] <mendred> because that ppp service is for switching on ur dsl
[01:25] <mendred> and it should work irrespective
[01:25] <mendred> of kde /gnome
[01:28] <apricot> how to import a .txt adressbook in kontact?
[01:31] <mendred> click on Contacts in Kontact's sidebar
[01:31] <mendred> and File>import
[01:31] <mendred> pun not intended
[01:32] <mendred> wots the .txt addressbook ?
[01:32] <mendred> exported from outlook or something?
[01:32] <mendred> CSV?
[01:32] <apricot> i menaged that
[01:32] <twosouls82> yep, I would asume
[01:34] <puckman> exit
[01:36] <mendred> hokays need to reboot to check something in initng..
[01:39] <twosouls82> I have a working installation of Dapper, fresh. I want to install kdevelop, but I can't find it using aptitude
[01:39] <OdyX> kdevelop3
[01:39] <OdyX> twosouls82: and add universe & multiverse
[01:40] <twosouls82> OdyX: that would be the reason, I asume
[01:41] <ahmuck_jr> i am having problems with adept on dapper beta
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ahmuck_jr: what problems?
[01:42] <ahmuck_jr> when i try to start it it suggests that i do apt-setup or apt-get update
[01:43] <ahmuck_jr> it tells me the apt database could not be opened
[01:43] <Hobbsee> ahmuck_jr: well, did you try doing either of those?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> eek
[01:43] <Hobbsee> mornfall: you around?
[01:43] <ahmuck_jr> yes, sudo apt-setup gives me an error and sudo apt-get update works but i still get the same dialoge box when trying to start adept
[01:44] <ahmuck_jr> all i really want to do is do an apt-get install ethereal
[01:44] <twosouls82> OdyX: thanks, I seem have everything I need now
[01:44] <ahmuck_jr> however i get a reply that package is not found
[01:44] <OdyX> no worry twosouls82
[01:44] <twosouls82> seem to*
[01:46] <Hobbsee> !info ethereal dapper
[01:46] <ubotu> ethereal: (network traffic analyzer), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.10.13-1.1ubuntu1 (dapper), Packaged size: 505 kB, Installed size: 1360 kB
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ahmuck_jr: got universe enabled?
[01:47] <ahmuck_jr> not sure.  not even sure what universe is.  this is my first install of kubunu
[01:47] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[01:47] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[01:49] <ahmuck_jr> :-( can't start adept
[01:50] <mendred> ahmuck_jr: what error does sudo apt-setup give?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ahmuck_jr: do a kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list and paste all of what's in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 into it, removing what's currently in there.  then sudo apt-get update
[01:51] <ahmuck_jr> mendred "command not found"
[01:51] <mhterres> morning
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hi mhterres
[01:53] <twosouls82> how to get mplayer on my sys? I have enabled alll repo's, except for the backports, but I still can't find it in aptitude
[01:54] <mendred> hmmm on debian apt-setup is usually in base-config
[01:54] <mendred> neways..i think hobbsee's way is easier
[01:54] <HymnToLife> twosouls82> normally you should, mplayer is in multiverse
[01:55] <twosouls82> HymnToLife: could it be missing on the Dutch mirror?
[01:58] <HymnToLife> twosouls82> seems the package is on the security server, weird
[01:58] <HymnToLife> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmultiverse%2Fm%2Fmplayer%2Fmplayer-586_1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9.1_i386.deb&md5sum=d5bb95941ad8f5b425d5dc65bb411d7c&arch=i386&type=security
[01:59] <twosouls82> odd
[01:59] <twosouls82> thanx
[02:05] <Mr_Grieves|U> how do I tell a ethernet card to use dhcp from the command line in ubuntu?
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr> :~$ kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr>   Major opcode:  145
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:06] <ahmuck_jr> Failed to open device
[02:09] <ahmuck_jr> i'm good
[02:09] <ahmuck_jr> to go now i think
[02:11] <Mr_Grieves|U> nvm - got it - dhclient
[02:14] <ahmuck_jr> for the most part, i like kubuntu so far.  "it just works".
[02:15] <theine> ahmuck_jr: have you tried "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"?
[02:16] <ahmuck_jr> i need to connect to kubuntu via vnc from windows xp ... so i need to setup a vnc server on kubuntu ?
[02:16] <theine> ahmuck_jr: yes
[02:17] <twosouls82> everything is working on my sys, except for amarok, it doesn't produce any sound.. I just installed Dapper btw
[02:18] <twosouls82> xine doesn't seem to work, I also discovered that KMplayer doesn't work
[02:18] <twosouls82> what could be the reason?
[02:20] <kkathman> twosouls82:  do you get sound with other things?  like on boot?
[02:22] <twosouls82> kkathman: sound does work fine, I even heard you using my name
[02:22] <theine> twosouls82: that might be the pc speaker
[02:22] <kkathman> twosouls82:  ok, well, how about kaffeine?
[02:23] <twosouls82> theine: that's my own (handmade) sound I heard :D
[02:23] <theine> twosouls82: did sound work with previous versions of ubuntu?
[02:24] <kkathman> twosouls82:  you do have amarok-xine installed right?
[02:24] <twosouls82> theine: yes, it did (but that was months ago, same sys though)
[02:24] <twosouls82> kkathman: yep I have
[02:24] <kkathman> i.e.  do a dpkg - i |  grep amarok-xine   just to make sure :)
[02:24] <kkathman> ok
[02:24] <theine> twosouls82: and you're sure that all mixer channels are unmuted?
[02:24] <twosouls82> kaffeine doen't work with xine either
[02:24] <kkathman> hmm
[02:25] <theine> kkathman: that's dpkg -l
[02:25] <kkathman> yah - sorry I just noticed that :)
[02:25] <kkathman> too used to typing the other .. plus..not awake yet ;)
[02:25] <theine> twosouls82: launch alsamixer in a terminal and see (you can exit with ESC)
[02:25] <kkathman> tbh I havent even checked my own amarok :)
[02:26] <theine> kkathman: no worries :)
[02:27] <twosouls82> theine: Esc worked fine
[02:27] <twosouls82> and I have amarok-xine installed
[02:27] <twosouls82> xine just doesn't work
[02:28] <twosouls82> it streams/tunes in, but no sound
[02:28] <theine> in which applications do you actually *get* sound
[02:28] <theine> ?
[02:29] <twosouls82> the kde sound system produces sound, and so all the kde apps supporting sound themes
[02:30] <twosouls82> so do*
[02:30] <theine> twosouls82: hmmm, no idea then
[02:30] <twosouls82> :'(
[02:30] <twosouls82> i wanna have music
[02:30] <theine> twosouls82: what about amarok-gstreamer?
[02:31] <kkathman> twosouls82:  I can verify that I have the same issue
[02:31] <twosouls82> kkathman: you do :)
[02:31] <twosouls82> theine: I love the quality of xine
[02:33] <theine> twosouls82: I guess it's time for a bug report then...
[02:33] <twosouls82> damn, I don't like that
[02:33] <kkathman> interesting - I cant play audio, but video is fine :)
[02:33] <twosouls82> first I want it verified by someone
[02:34] <twosouls82> kkathman: lol
[02:34] <twosouls82> are kkathman and I the only one using Dapper out here?
[02:35] <kosh> I am using dapper also
[02:35] <twosouls82> kosh: does xine work with you?
[02:35] <kkathman> twosouls82:  kaffeine wont play the file either
[02:36] <twosouls82> kkathman: that's my conclusion as well
[02:36] <kosh> twosouls82: just a sec
[02:37] <kosh> xine is working flawlessly
[02:37] <twosouls82> :s
[02:37] <kosh> I just used xine directly to play an mov file, I used kaffeine/xine to play a divx file and amarok/xine to play an ogg file
[02:37] <kosh> no issues with any of them
[02:38] <twosouls82> kosh: and streaming media?
[02:38] <kosh> no idea on that
[02:38] <kosh> I don't have any streaming media and I am not even sure where to get any without doing a fair bit of looking
[02:39] <twosouls82> xine works here too, only the streaming media doesn't seem to work...
[02:40] <twosouls82> kkathman: could you verify that again?
[02:41] <kkathman> twosouls82:  i have no audio at all
[02:41] <kkathman> through players that is
[02:41] <kosh> I wonder if your issue is something else
[02:41] <kosh> ie something has the sound card locked
[02:41] <kosh> what audo card do you have?
[02:41] <kkathman> now, Im trying to play an mp3
[02:42] <twosouls82> I have sound, only no streaming media
[02:42] <kkathman> the wiki says you have to install a bunch of stuff thats gstreamer-based
[02:42] <kkathman> but Ive done that and it still doesnt play..in fact amarok doesnt let me replace the xine engine
[02:43] <theine> twosouls82: what streaming media are you trying to play, maybe I can reproduce your result
[02:43] <twosouls82> theine: rtsp://streams.omroep.nl/tv/nos/journaal/bb.laatste.rm
[02:43] <twosouls82> it's Dutch ;)
[02:44] <kkathman> twosouls82:  are you able to play mp3s ?
[02:44] <twosouls82> could it be that I don't have any codecs installed, or doesn't xine use them?
[02:44] <twosouls82> kkathman: I need to rip first
[02:44] <r0xz> Does anyone know when there's muc support for xmmp in kopete?
[02:44] <twosouls82> :P
[02:44] <kkathman> ahh ok
[02:45] <kkathman> you probably will need w32codecs
[02:45] <theine> twosouls82: works for me with kaffeine
[02:45] <kkathman> I have those installed tho...video is fine
[02:45] <kkathman> but not through totem
[02:46] <theine> twosouls82: using the xine engine
[02:46] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  welcome - can you help us with some sound probs ?
[02:46] <twosouls82> I looked for w32codecs using aptitude, but I can't find them
[02:46] <Hobbsee> kkathman: possibly...
[02:46] <kkathman> twosouls82:  check the wiki... you need another repo
[02:46] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  several of us cant seem to get audio through amarok
[02:47] <twosouls82> kkathman: damn, just like the 'old-Suse-days'
[02:47] <Hobbsee> kkathman: which engine?
[02:47] <kkathman> but sound works... even my video works
[02:47] <kkathman> xine
[02:47] <theine> twosouls82: or get it directly from ftp.nerim.net and install via dpkg -i
[02:47] <theine> twosouls82: w32codecs is extremly non-free...
[02:47] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  I have xine in amarok, but I did install all the gstreamer ,....ugly  stuff as indicated in the wiki
[02:48] <theine> twosouls82: as in speech that is...
[02:48] <kkathman> but amarok doesnt seem to see the gstreamer
[02:48] <twosouls82> theine: I know, bu other distros behav better on this one
[02:48] <twosouls82> behave*
[02:48] <theine> twosouls82: they have a different policy regarding non-free software then
[02:48] <kosh> I have not had any problems here
[02:49] <kosh> actually pretty much all my sound problems vanished in linux where I first started getting emu10k1 cards and above
[02:49] <Hobbsee> you really want crimsun, if he's around
[02:49] <twosouls82> theine: I may be dumb, but I can't find the package on that server (there are only Debian packages)
[02:49] <kkathman> ah ha
[02:49] <kkathman> got it
[02:50] <kkathman> twosouls82:  go here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3
[02:50] <kkathman> install both things
[02:50] <kkathman> then it works in amarok
[02:50] <twosouls82> kkathman: (k) ;)
[02:51] <kkathman> I installed the "other non-free format" stuff for dapper and it works now
[02:51] <twosouls82> kkathman: I will do so too
[02:55] <theine> twosouls82: this particular debian package (w32codecs) is totally fine
[02:55] <theine> twosouls82: ... to use in Ubuntu
[02:55] <theine> twosouls82: get it here, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs
[02:59] <twosouls82> theine: I am installing all extra's, such as libxine-codecsextra now
[03:00] <twosouls82> it worked!!!!!!!! xine operates again
[03:00] <twosouls82> I used http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157664
[03:00] <twosouls82> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3, Other Non-Free Formats
[03:01] <twosouls82> theine and kkathman: thanx
[03:01] <twosouls82> kkathman: do you need help?
[03:02] <twosouls82> with xine? I got it working perfectly here
[03:02] <kkathman> twosouls82:  mine worked once I loaded those gstreamer thngs
[03:02] <kkathman> yes thats what I passed on to you a bit ago :)
[03:03] <twosouls82> kkathman: xine is much better, in my opinion
[03:03] <kkathman> I didnt change the xine engine
[03:03] <kkathman> but apparently there is something it needs
[03:03] <kkathman> that isnt loaded default
[03:03] <twosouls82> kkathman: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=mp3, Other Non-Free Formats
[03:03] <kkathman> yes - thats the link I passed to you
[03:04] <kkathman> hehe
[03:04] <twosouls82> you will need all the multiverse and universe repo's
[03:04] <twosouls82> repos*
[03:04] <twosouls82> :P
[03:04] <kkathman> twosouls82:  if you look above, thats the link I sent you :)
[03:04] <kkathman> hehe
[03:04] <twosouls82> kkathman: I know, but you mentioned the section above Other Non-Free Formats
[03:05] <kkathman> I didnt try it with streaming media tho
[03:05] <twosouls82> it works now here, with that section's command
[03:05] <kkathman> twosouls82:  [07:51:16]  <kkathman> I installed the "other non-free format" stuff for dapper and it works now
[03:05] <twosouls82> :P
[03:06] <twosouls82> I missed that
[03:06] <kkathman> hehe
[03:06] <twosouls82> sorry
[03:06] <kkathman> not a prob
[03:06] <kkathman> its working :)
[03:06] <twosouls82> cool, thanks again
[03:07] <kkathman> interesting when you install SUSE, there is one package for audio and it all gets automatically installed
[03:07] <kkathman> so its slightly different here
[03:07] <kkathman> the default configuration doesnt quite work...dont know that it might be a licensing thing
[03:07] <twosouls82> kkathman: true, but the 'not giving a working xine away' is the same here
[03:08] <kkathman> yeah odd that
[03:08] <twosouls82> kkathman: it is
[03:08] <twosouls82> w32codecs is illegal
[03:08] <twosouls82> on a non MS sys, it is
[03:09] <twosouls82> my dapper work now :D
[03:09] <DeadS0ul> heh
[03:15] <gurumeditationer> Would I be right in assuming no checkinstall created .debs will get accepted into the k/ubuntu repositories?
[03:15] <kkathman> gurumeditationer:  true
[03:17] <gurumeditationer> 'k.  What about one time additions also say like I've made a deb for the newest aircrack, if I make the deb properly will it only be accepted if I make some sort maintenance commitment
[03:22] <kkathman> brb rebooting
[03:22] <twosouls82> :)
[03:44] <smoosh> how can i see the rules of iptables?
[03:45] <_smoosh> how can i see the rules of iptables?
[03:46] <zmo> _smoosh: iptables --list
[03:46] <_smoosh> zmo: thanks
[03:46] <zmo> _smoosh: yw, check out man iptables
[03:47] <_smoosh> zmo: but iptables don't save the rules on file?
[03:48] <zmo> _smoosh: no it doesn't
[03:48] <_smoosh> zmo: wit iptables --list, i can see only the realtime monitor of iptables...
[03:48] <_smoosh> zmo: ...and not the rules that i've entered...
[03:49] <zmo> _smoosh: where did you enter your rules?
[03:49] <_smoosh> zmo: from console...
[03:49] <Tonio_> little question,
[03:50] <Tonio_> did someone already scanned using kooka without sane ?
[03:50] <Tonio_> I need to know if sane is "strongly suggested" or "absolutly required"
[03:51] <kosh> I doubt that scanning works without sane
[03:51] <kosh> so probably absolutely required
[03:51] <Tonio_> kosh: then sane should be installed by default
[03:51] <Tonio_> okay, I note that for tomorrow's kubuntu meeting :)
[03:51] <Tonio_> kosh: thanks
[03:52] <zmo> _smoosh: you should see them. what table did you edit?
[03:52] <_smoosh> zmo: nat table...
[03:52] <zmo> _smoosh: for example iptables -t nat --list shows your nat table
[03:53] <kosh> Tonio_: it already depends on sane, if you have kooka installed then sane should already be installed at least enough for what kooka needs
[03:53] <kosh> Tonio_: kooka depends on libkscan1 and it depends on libsane
[03:53] <Tonio_> kosh: not out of the box since sane is in universe
[03:54] <kosh> then kooka should not be installable
[03:54] <Tonio_> kosh: true but well....
[03:54] <kosh> since it certainly looks like it absolutely depends on sane at the package level
[03:55] <Tonio_> kosh: sane_1.0.14-1_i386.deb is a frontend to the lib ?
[03:55] <Tonio_> this package is in universe
[03:55] <Tonio_> but maybe only libsane is required for kooka, I don't know
[03:55] <korven> Why does my x11 keyboard layout got wiped off when computer crashed, and how do i reinstall it
[03:56] <kosh> yeah that package should just be a frontend
[03:56] <korven> it works in cli
[03:58] <Tonio_> kosh: ok then, thanks for the info
[03:58] <_JuDgEn_> how do i reinstall the keyboard layouts?
[03:58] <Tonio_> _JuDgEn_: reinstall of reconfigure ?
[03:58] <_JuDgEn_> reinstall
[03:59] <Tonio_> _JuDgEn_: reinstall xserver-xorg
[03:59] <_JuDgEn_> Tonio_ i have lost them all when computer crashed
[03:59] <_JuDgEn_> allready done that
[03:59] <_JuDgEn_> didnt help
[03:59] <Tonio_> so they should be installed
[03:59] <Tonio_> then I would suggest a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:59] <_JuDgEn_> done that too
[03:59] <Tonio_> hum......... very strange
[03:59] <_JuDgEn_> it works fine in cli though
[04:00] <Tonio_> _JuDgEn_: so the problem is in kde only ?
[04:00] <_JuDgEn_> tried upgrading to dapper, but that didnt help either
[04:00] <_JuDgEn_> Tonio_ yes
[04:00] <Tonio_> tried to look in systemsettings, accebility section ?
[04:00] <Tonio_> then choose keyboard layout
[04:00] <Tonio_> ?
[04:00] <_JuDgEn_> yes, there are no keyb layouts available for selection
[04:01] <Tonio_> hurg....... _JuDgEn_breezy or dapper ?
[04:01] <_JuDgEn_> Tonio_ had breezy, now running dapper
[04:01] <_JuDgEn_> did dist-upgrade
[04:02] <_smoosh> when i write "sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward", i've got a permission denied error message... how can i fix this?
[04:02] <Tonio_> locate "/etc/X11/xkb/"
[04:02] <Tonio_> are the files there ?
[04:02] <Tonio_> _JuDgEn_: ho, did you try to create another user and login with it ?
[04:02] <Tonio_> can be a kde profile issue then
[04:03] <Tonio_> I sometimes had to recreate profiles when upgrading to dapper
[04:03] <berkes> ellow. afternoon folks.
[04:04] <berkes> after some hunting (months ago) I found some working .debs for kmplayer. However, that version has a bug.....
[04:04] <zmo> _smoosh: run the command from a root shell: sudo -s
[04:04] <berkes> the playlist os b0rken. evertime when I load more then one file into kmplayer it plays nothing.
[04:04] <berkes> does anyone know up-to-date binaries for kmplayer.
[04:05] <berkes> binaries for kmplayer that run on *breezy*?
[04:05] <_smoosh> zmo: great, it work! thanks :)
[04:06] <zmo> _smoosh: ...or you can edit /etc/network/options and make ip forwarding permanent
[04:07] <_smoosh> zmo: oh, ok... thanks again :)
[04:07] <_JuDgEn_> Tonio_ ill try that, thanks
[04:08] <Tonio_> _JuDgEn_: I hope that helps :)
[04:09] <Oli> moin
[04:09] <mfab> hello all
[04:10] <Oli> Having problem to get up mysql server 4.1, problem is no stuff in anylogs mysql start script or just mysqld_safe just start and instantly stopping again - where should Ilook at?
[04:10] <mfab> anyone there who successfully installed via espresso without partititioning problems?
[04:12] <mfab> i would like to install kubuntu, but do not dare to use the installer because i read about some bugs with it...
[04:12] <OdyX> mfab: use text installer instead
[04:13] <mfab> i tried, but it wont work on my laptop... all debian based installers didn't work
[04:13] <Oli> noone any idea why my fresh apt-get'ed mysqld wont start - but I dont find any interessting messages in syslo
[04:13] <Oli> +g
[04:15] <mfab> hmm anyone got an idea when they bring a final version of dapper?
[04:15] <Oli> summer  or so...
[04:15] <Hobbsee> mfab: june
[04:16] <mfab> ok thanks, where do you get the dates?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:16] <Hobbsee> wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule?
[04:17] <mfab> hmm thanks alot... couldn't find it when i searched for about half an hour ;)
[04:18] <judgen> Tonio_ how do i reinstall the profiles then?
[04:18] <judgen> i have loads of iles in xkb
[04:18] <judgen> files*
[04:18] <Tonio_> judgen: remove it...
[04:18] <Tonio_> I mean back it up and restart kde
[04:18] <judgen> all of them, or the entire folder
[04:18] <Tonio_> judgen: does it work with a new account ?
[04:19] <judgen> nope
[04:19] <Tonio_> I would suggest mv /home/foo /home/foo.bak
[04:19] <judgen> ok
[04:19] <Tonio_> and if that works then copy back the files you need
[04:20] <judgen> foo? dont got that folder
[04:20] <Tonio_> judgen: maybe just mv /home/foo/.kde /home/foo/.kde.bak is enought
[04:20] <Tonio_> judgen: foo = bla = average joe = username :)
[04:20] <judgen> hehe
[04:21] <Tonio_> judgen: simply try with .kde folder first
[04:21] <Tonio_> no need to remove the full profile
[04:22] <judgen> tried both, now i get a swedish keyboard but with not all keys working
[04:23] <judgen> like the characters for aa,ae,oe and alt+gr
[04:25] <judgen> how do i change keymaps when i have none?
[04:25] <judgen> where is the x11 keymaps stored?
[04:30] <judgen> Tonio_ where are the x11 keymaps stored?
[04:30] <Phleagor> hi
[04:30] <Phleagor> is there a list of available packages for kubuntu?
[04:30] <Phleagor> like the one on the debian page
[04:30] <Hobbsee> Phleagor: packages.ubuntu.com
[04:30] <Phleagor> thx
[04:30] <Tonio_> judgen: I must say I don't really know, since I never had any issue with it
[04:31] <Tonio_> let me check
[04:32] <Tonio_> judgen: I assume it is not stored in the profile
[04:32] <Tonio_> kde should read xkb files
[04:32] <Tonio_> in /usr/share
[04:33] <judgen> cd /usr/share
[04:33] <judgen> ls
[04:33] <judgen> oops
[04:33] <judgen> hehe
[04:33] <Tonio_> that's why I don't understand why you don't see them
[04:33] <Tonio_> to me that's because your profile is corrupted, and kde reads the bad directory or something
[04:33] <Tonio_> that why you first should adduser test
[04:33] <Tonio_> log with this one, and compare if that works or not
[04:33] <Tonio_> did you do it ?
[04:34] <Phleagor> hmm...some packages cannot be found with the standard sources list
[04:35] <Phleagor> is there something i have to add to it?
[04:35] <Tonio_> Phleagor: yes you have to activate universe
[04:35] <judgen> yes
[04:35] <Phleagor> how?
[04:35] <Tonio_> Phleagor: wiki
[04:35] <Phleagor> k
[04:35] <Tonio_> search a bit, it is written everywhere on the net ;)
[04:35] <Tonio_> and I'm getting tired explaining this 3 times a day for 8 month :)
[04:36] <judgen> Phleagor just remove the # infrong of all the deb lines in the default ubuntu sources.list
[04:37] <judgen> Tonio_ the same error is still there with the new user
[04:37] <chowsapal> wondering if anyone can help -- my usb drive seems to unmount after ahile
[04:37] <Tonio_> judgen: argh......
[04:38] <judgen> fourk keys that does not work
[04:38] <Tonio_> judgen: did you try a sudo apt-get install ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal kubuntu-desktop
[04:38] <Tonio_> you may miss a package ?
[04:38] <judgen> Tonio_ it worked yesterday
[04:38] <Tonio_> I must say I'm a bit lost....... I never got any issue concerning keymaps
[04:38] <Tonio_> judgen: hum.........
[04:39] <judgen> then kdetv crashed an after that i have had no alt+gr key and no aa,ae, or oe keys
[04:39] <Tonio_> did you upgrade a few minutes ago ,
[04:39] <Tonio_> ?
[04:39] <judgen> yes
[04:39] <Tonio_> amazing......
[04:40] <Tonio_> I must say I can't find without direct acces to the computer.....
[04:40] <Tonio_> look xorg logs for reading files error
[04:40] <Tonio_> sounds weired, really
[04:40] <judgen> where shoule i look for them?
[04:42] <judgen> Tonio_  where would this logs be located?
[04:43] <Tonio_> xorg logs ?
[04:43] <judgen> yes
[04:44] <judgen> Tonio_ yes
[04:45] <Tonio_> judgen: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:46] <DeadS0ul> man I don't get all this stuff in imwheel's website
[04:55] <judgen> Tonio_ WW couldnt load xkb keymap falling back to pre-xkb keymaps
[04:56] <Tonio_> judgen: in xorg logs ?
[04:58] <wcc_> hi
[04:58] <judgen> Tonio_  yes
[04:58] <wcc_> how do i execute display config in root in kubuntu ?
[05:00] <uros> konqueror won't embed realplayer ("player not installed") although firefox and epiphany work, on about:plugins it seems to be there - any ideas what could be wrong?
[05:03] <DeadS0ul> uros:does the plugin show up when you scan for it in konq's plugin section?
[05:04] <uros> deadsoul: nphelix.so is there
[05:05] <uros> deadsoul: sorry - not only nphelix, under mozplugger there are some other "real" things
[05:06] <judgen> Tonio_ i am not really in a mood for another reinstall, takes bloody ages on a slow internet connection
[05:06] <Tonio_> judgen: yes, I can understand........
[05:06] <Tonio_> you should search the net a bit now you know what the error is, I must say I don't personnaly know the solution
[05:07] <judgen> Tonio_ now i get a different error in the logs too "cant find wacom"
[05:12] <judgen> Tonio_ how do i reinstall only deforma?
[05:12] <Tonio_> judgen: sudo apt-get install defoma ;)
[05:13] <Tm_T> judgen: sudo apt-get install --reinstall defoma
[05:13] <judgen> Tonio_ "package is allready latest version"
[05:13] <judgen> hehe
[05:13] <_Rosen_> NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETSPLIIIIIIIIIIT!
[05:13] <Tm_T> --reinstall is impoertant
[05:13] <_Rosen_> clear
[05:13] <Tonio_> sudo dpkg --purge && sudo apt-get install then
[05:13] <Tonio_> :)
[05:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: noooo
[05:13] <_Rosen_> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[05:13] <Tm_T> Tonio_: man apt-get
[05:14] <Phleagor> and how can i activate multiverse? there is nothing to comment out in the sources.list
[05:15] <Tm_T> !multiverse
[05:15] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:16] <mhterres> j #ldap
[05:16] <mhterres> oops
[05:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes I know, but that's an horrible way to do I never managed to stop ;)
[05:16] <Tm_T> Tonio_: =)
[05:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I know --reinstall, but well......
[05:16] <Tm_T> well?
[05:16] <Tonio_> Tm_T: we all have stupid ways to do things ;)
[05:17] <Tm_T> true =)
[05:17] <Tonio_> for example I don't seem to be able to stop cat for less ;)
[05:20] <judgen> still no luck =(
[05:21] <judgen> can i reinstall all previosly installed packages some way?
[05:27] <DeadS0ul> judgen: what's wrong?
[05:29] <sonic> Anyone know a shortcut for switching between desktops?
[05:29] <judgen> DeadS0ul i lost all my keymaps when kdetv crashed, and noi cant get alt+gr aa,ae or oe keys to work in kde
[05:30] <judgen> they all work in cli though
[05:30] <_mathias> sonic, it is ctrl + tab
[05:30] <Broxtor> I'm trying to compile an opensync plugin on Dapper. Configure tells me I need the X includes. Which packages do I need to install to get those?
[05:31] <Broxtor> I already have x11-dev
[05:31] <visik7> xlibs-dev
[05:31] <sonic> _mathias: Thanks, do you know how I can drag an app from one to the other?
[05:31] <visik7> probably
[05:31] <uros> tryed everything my limited knowledge permits: could somebody who surfs with konqueror try and tell me if he gets an embedded real player on site: http://www.rtvslo.si/, link Avdio/Video on top panel (pop up window)
[05:32] <_mathias> sonic, use the task bar and click right on the application
[05:32] <Broxtor> visik7: That did the trick! Thanks a heap.
[05:32] <judgen> DeadS0ul got any ideas?
[05:32] <_mathias> sonic: and then in the sub menu you can choose the "arbeitsflche" (sorry, i dont know the english word
[05:33] <sonic> Aha, got it :-)
[05:33] <sonic> Thanks!
[05:33] <_mathias> no problem
[05:33] <DeadS0ul> sorry I missed what you said earlier, you want to resintall all your pakcages?
[05:34] <DeadS0ul> or a certain number of packages?
[05:34] <sonic> Actually, one more thing. Wen I was using gnome, I used to get automatic updates every time I logged in. I don't get them now that I'm using kde. Why?
[05:35] <judgen> DeadS0ul all of them, so it might get fixed
[05:35] <DeadS0ul> sonic: do you have adept?
[05:35] <_mathias> mmmh, i never used gnome. which type of update do you mean? the apt-repository?
[05:36] <DeadS0ul> fix what exactly? unistalling, reinstalling is never really a good idea
[05:36] <ahmuck_jr> in kubuntu, is there a a network configurator
[05:36] <ahmuck_jr> ?
[05:36] <sonic> DeadS0ul: no I don't use adepy
[05:37] <DeadS0ul> ahmuck_jr: kontrol/system settings -> Network Setttings
[05:37] <sonic> _mathias: I used to get application updates when I logged on
[05:37] <DeadS0ul> judgen: adept will usually tell you if you need to update packages
[05:37] <DeadS0ul> judgen: was that with synaptic?
[05:37] <_mathias> sonic: usually i do it manually by typing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as root
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> yeah or apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> or you can put it in your crontab
[05:38] <_mathias> but you can also use synaptic
[05:38] <sonic> ok cheers guys :-)
[05:38] <sonic> I like the apt get :-)
[05:38] <robotgeek> adept on dapper is awesome :P
[05:38] <jpatrick> robotgeek: :)
[05:39] <judgen> well it seems that i will have to reinstall the entire system anyways. DAMNIT!!
[05:40] <DeadS0ul> bbs
[05:47] <inc|freaky> hi all. where can i change the options for grub? i want to change the artwork
[05:47] <inc|freaky> of it
[05:48] <xwolf-> i have kaffeine-mozilla installed, but i still can't play streaming video from firefox... i try to install mozilla-mplayer but it asks to install firefox altogether, and i already have it installed from binary download
[05:48] <xwolf-> what do i install to have streaming working properly?
[05:49] <robotgeek> xwolf-: if you want to install it from repos, it will install the repository version
[05:50] <xwolf-> yes.
[05:53] <DeadS0ul> any of you know how to use imwheel?
[05:54] <xwolf-> robotgeek isnt there another way?
[05:55] <robotgeek> xwolf-: not sure, sorry
[05:55] <francolq_> hello. i want to resize the root filesystem of my ubuntu. a good way to do this? parted-doc says i should make a Parted Boot Disk from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/bootdisk but the link is dead!
[05:56] <_thenightrider> hey
[05:56] <_thenightrider> how can i disable spellcheck?
[05:58] <Pupeno_> Having some VOB files, can I make a DVD and watch it in an standalone system or may I watch it with Xine or another player on my computer ?
[05:59] <robotgeek> Pupeno_: i think vob files can be played by vlc or something
[06:00] <ubuntu> hey, i'm getting a kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image. what shall i do to fix that?
[06:06] <atidem> hi folks
[06:06] <ubuntu_> Hi alone
[06:07] <ubuntu_> i am on beta
[06:07] <ubuntu_> i would like to connect my network
[06:07] <atidem> someone know if there is a logo_ansi_art made for kubuntu?
[06:07] <ubuntu_> but the connection crash in admin mode ?
[06:09] <topyli> tell me, kubuntu users: when you change the icon theme in kcontrol, does it affect the amarok icons?
[06:10] <jpatrick> topyli: i don't think so
[06:10] <topyli> i use gnome, and when i choose the gperfection icon set in kcontrol, nothing happens
[06:10] <topyli> jpatrick: oh ok
[06:11] <topyli> so is there another way? this looks very bad: http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jsiltala/juha/Screenshot.png
[06:21] <uros> moved one step closer to solving realplayer not embedding in konqueror. in about:plugins i get MozPlugger 1.7.1 Configuration file:  Not found!, Helper binary:  Not found!, Controller binary:  Not found!, while in firefox Configuration file:	/etc/mozpluggerrc, Helper binary:	mozplugger-helper, Controller binary:	mozplugger-controller. can anyone help follow this lead?
[06:22] <robotgeek> uros: qhat does konq say?
[06:23] <uros> robotgeek: konq does the three not founds
[06:23] <robotgeek> uros: not sure, havent installed them before. sorry
[06:24] <uros> robotgeek:thanks anyway
[06:30] <cristobalcarnero> please, i have a problem with dns!!
[06:31] <mhterres> what problem ?
[06:31] <cristobalcarnero> i use dhcp and all go well, but some moments the dns disappear. i do ping to ips but no to www.google.es, for example
[06:32] <mhterres> it's not a problem with your DNS ?
[06:32] <mhterres> try a different DNS server
[06:32] <DeadS0ul> any of you got imwheel working?
[06:32] <cristobalcarnero> in windows i have no problem
[06:33] <mhterres> maybe some dhcp server configuration
[06:33] <cristobalcarnero> the dns don't work in some moments
[06:33] <_Rosen_> hello can anyoone help me? sometimes the computer shuts the network connection by itself
[06:34] <TheNightRider``> _Rosen_ are you from bulgaria??
[06:35] <_Rosen_> TheNightRider``, no Sweden why?
[06:36] <ahmuck_jr> i am having trouble enabling my wireless device in kubuntu drapper beta
[06:36] <qualus> why do my videos hang in firefox after only about 1/8th of a second playback ?
[06:36] <qualus> anyone else have that ?
[06:36] <qualus> (In KDE that is)
[06:41] <TheNightRider``> _Rosen_ just asking, rosen is a very common name here in bulgaria. =)
[06:42] <_Rosen_> TheChronoTrigger, oo okey here its made from my lastname
[06:50] <davix> why dont i get amarok 1.4b for dapper?
[06:50] <ahmuck_jr> is there something i can check to see why my wireless conection will not enable?
[06:51] <_Rosen_> davix why do you use amorak?
[06:52] <davix> what do you have to offer?
[06:52] <v3ctor> amarok is great
[06:52] <davix> _Rosen_?
[06:52] <_Rosen_> xmms?
[06:53] <davix> omg
[06:53] <davix> stfu.
[06:53] <NoUse> _Rosen_ you're kidding right
[06:53] <v3ctor> lol
[06:53] <NoUse> davix http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4beta3.php
[06:53] <NoUse> davix add that repo to get amarok beta
[06:53] <_Rosen_> acctually not, i just dont like amorak
[06:53] <davix> thanks nouse
[06:54] <jpatrick> _Rosen_: why not?
[06:55] <_Rosen_> when i first started kubuntu it just kept screwing up but xmms worked just fine plus ive used xmms in other distros to so im used to it, what advantage does amorak have? (serious question not sarcastic)
[06:57] <NoUse> _Rosen_ xmms is a player while Amarok is a music manager
[06:57] <_Rosen_> aha okej, i didnt realize that
[06:57] <NoUse> Amarok will organize, rank, keep cover art, submit to last.fm
[06:58] <NoUse> talks to iPods
[06:58] <_Rosen_> okej, mabye thats sometging for me after all
[06:58] <v3ctor> give you lyrics and band info
[07:00] <_Rosen_> okay
[07:00] <twosouls82> what does "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check" mean :s
[07:02] <twosouls82> ah, config.log says I don't have cc1plus installed
[07:02] <NoUse> twosouls82 install build-essential
[07:02] <twosouls82> how do I get cc1plus? which package provides it?
[07:02] <twosouls82> NoUse: I hope it is OfUse ;)
[07:03] <twosouls82> thnx
[07:03] <twosouls82> NoUse: why didn't all that get installed when I installed KDevelop?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> !b-e
[07:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, b-e is no make ?  you need build-essential or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to do a    sudo aptitude install build-essential.
[07:05] <thoreauputic> twosouls82: have you installed build-essential ?
[07:05] <twosouls82> thoreauputic: I have now
[07:06] <thoreauputic> ah sorry I didn't see NoUse 's message
[07:06] <twosouls82> thoreauputic: np, thnx
[07:06] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:06] <twosouls82> :)
[07:07] <twosouls82> nice to see people be so helpfull ;)
[07:07] <puckman> anyone here ever play with ktts?
[07:27] <DeadS0ul> yee haw, I got imwheel configured
[07:34] <synie> hey guys
[07:35] <synie> i tried to get the fglrz module running. i need dri. i got a radeon 9700 pro. but if i start X, the whole computer freezes. the only thing i see is a blue screen and the mouse. but nothing works anymore
[07:37] <NoUse> synie how did you install the ATI driver?
[07:38] <synie> apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx and then aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:39] <NoUse> synie check out the wiki page on the driver https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:39] <synie> hey, strange ... now it works ... after some reboots o.O
[07:40] <NoUse> well thats good
[07:40] <synie> yeah, but i think, if i'll do some reboots, there will be the same problem ...
[07:44] <twosouls82> where is that (ugly) KMenu side image located in Dapper?
[07:47] <v3ctor> try /usr/share/icons/default.kde
[07:47] <waylandbill> is there a way to make a konsole window partially transparent?
[07:47] <DeadS0ul> twosouls82: just use krfb
[07:47] <DeadS0ul> nayway I'm off
[07:47] <DeadS0ul> g'nite
[07:47] <twosouls82> DeadS0ul: tried it, doesn't work here
[07:47] <twosouls82> DeadS0ul: good night
[07:47] <DeadS0ul> ah
[07:47] <DeadS0ul> =\
[07:47] <v3ctor>   /usr/share/icons/default.kde/*/apps/kmenu.png
[07:48] <NoUse> waylandbill yeah its in the configure menu, I don't know the exact menu
[07:48] <twosouls82> v3ctor: thnx
[07:48] <v3ctor> np
[07:48] <twosouls82> v3ctor: that's the menu button
[07:48] <v3ctor>  * = size of icons you use
[07:48] <twosouls82> I need the side imgae
[07:48] <v3ctor> oh
[07:48] <v3ctor> sorry
[07:48] <twosouls82> :P
[07:49] <twosouls82> np
[07:49] <v3ctor> i just turn mine off
[07:49] <twosouls82> :P
[07:49] <twosouls82> I have my own I want to use
[07:49] <twosouls82> with my name
[07:49] <twosouls82> :D
[07:49] <v3ctor> open configure k-panel
[07:50] <v3ctor> right click on the checkbox to turn it on of off
[07:50] <v3ctor> tells you the path
[07:51] <v3ctor>  /usr/share/apps/kicker/pics
[07:51] <v3ctor> there you go
[07:51] <twosouls82> v3ctor: ;) you tha man, for now
[07:51] <v3ctor> lol
[07:52] <v3ctor> don't worry...i will let you down befoe the end of the day
[07:52] <twosouls82> gheghe
[08:04] <lilminimey06> hi, i have this problem getting removed amarok completely from my kubuntu system, anyone knows how to do it?
[08:06] <Skrot> apt-get remove amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine ; dpkg --purge amarok
[08:06] <Skrot> should do the trick
[08:11] <bleaked> Skrot. wouldn't: sudo aptitude purge amarok amarok-engines amarok-xine    be easier and work better?
[08:12] <Skrot> Perhaps. I've never used aptitude and I gave root a password right after install. Too used to Debian I guess :)
[08:13] <hischam> hello, how to change priority of a process in KDE?
[08:14] <hischam> anyone?
[08:14] <bleaked> Skrot. well nearly every deb  user i have ever met (especially the devs) recommend aptitude, since it actually tracks your actions and allows you to undo them.  it also works the exact same way apt-get does..same commands and everything.  So your argument that you're 'used to debian' doesn't seem valid.
[08:15] <bleaked> and for the record, running a purge command removes and cleans up files.
[08:16] <Skrot> bleaked: Forgive my ignorance, but I've never used aptitude and I'm used to apt-get. But I'll take your word for it, and I'll try it out :)
[08:17] <bleaked> rabe, hischam, whatever you are, on your keyboard: ctrl-esc   -- then right click no the process and renice it
[08:22] <rabe> ok
[08:23] <rabe> yeah, worked, thanks
[08:26] <lilminimey06> do anyone have a idea howto get amarok working with a ipod?
[08:26] <lilminimey06> just bought me ipod nano :P And i sure wanna test it;P
[08:27] <Seantater> I'd look on wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:27] <Seantater> I've never had (or seen) an ipod
[08:27] <robotgeek> lilminimey06: doesn't it work automagically
[08:27] <Seantater> Probably
[08:27] <lilminimey06> robotgeek: no
[08:27] <robotgeek> lilminimey06: there's a bit reagrding ipod management in the amarok handbook, i think
[08:28] <lilminimey06> robotgeek: tnks, *starting to read*
[08:29] <noch> hey . . . what is a site where i can browse plugins?
[08:29] <robotgeek> noch: plugins for what?
[08:29] <lilminimey06> robotgeek: didn't find any:/
[08:29] <noch> plugins in general
[08:29] <noch> kubuntu i guess
[08:31] <noch> ??
[08:32] <robotgeek> lilminimey06: http://amarok.kde.org/files/articles/ipod_amarok_tux_june05.pdf
[08:32] <Seantater> what kind of plugins?
[08:32] <Seantater> noch: The world does not have every plugin in existance in one place
[08:32] <Seantater> noch: We employ redundancy
[08:33] <noch> lol i guess not . . .
[08:33] <Seantater> noch: You have to more specific
[08:33] <noch> i guess i dont have anything in mind
[08:33] <noch> just wanted to browse
[08:33] <Seantater> noch: For an IRC bot written in python that has plugins, there is supybot.com
[08:33] <Seantater> I just don;t think that is what you are looking for
[08:34] <Seantater> noch: If you are bored; try www.kde-look.org
[08:34] <noch> ahh there we go . . . just throw me a shiny red ball
[08:34] <noch> woot
[08:34] <noch> thx seantater
[08:35] <Seantater> how about www.kde-apps.org
[08:36] <noch> ill bookmark it for later
[08:36] <noch> thx
[08:36] <Seantater> install kde-amusements
[08:37] <Seantater> it may keep you entertained for a minute
[08:37] <flo> how can y abilitate the transparencies in dapper?i'vd tried modifing my xorg.conf but then my xserver wont startup
[08:37] <Seantater> !composite
[08:37] <ubotu> [composite]  at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 -- make sure you read the whole thread.
[08:37] <Seantater> That _may_help
[08:37] <flo> thx
[08:39] <Seantater> wow--those were easy :-)
[08:39] <flo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20769 this is for Hoary, should work for dapper?
[08:46] <noch> ok, im back, with a noob question
[08:46] <noch> how do i copy file(s) to a restricted location?
[08:47] <noch> i have root access
[08:48] <robotgeek> sudo cp <target> <destination>
[08:48] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell noch about cli
[09:00] <che_benway> hi all. my internet connection is really slow recently. Works super fast with windows. Any idea how I can tweak the settings to make it faster? Find out whats slowing it down??
[09:04] <synie> hmm, quake freezes the whole computer, if i run q3dm2 o.O
[09:13] <sledge> che_benway: Can you explain what you mean with slow? Is web browsing slow?
[09:14] <sledge> che_benway: Or are you not getting the full bandwidth your ISP provides to you?
[09:27] <che_benway> sledge: I get one meg from my ISP. It takes a long time (about 15 - 20 secs) from the time I enter a web address to the time it actually starts loading
[09:30] <mzinz> Is there an apt-get for Shockwave?
[09:35] <digits> mzinz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Flash#head-55dd46852b91060cde557660462b56e31cac305f
[09:35] <Fuzzy76> I'm having trouble getting konqueror to stop handling my weblinks from thunderbird. I have firefox installed. Any quick hints?
[09:36] <Fuzzy76> hmm... weird. the topic links from this channel opened in firefox as they should.
[09:36] <digits> Fuzzy76: K -> System Settings -> User Account -> Default Applications
[09:37] <jonathan_> I'm having cpu trouble with gam_server
[09:37] <jonathan_> running it with amarok it's taking 15%-20% of my cpu
[09:37] <Fuzzy76> digits: I did. It works from Kopete, but not from Thunderbird. :-/
[09:38] <mzinz> digits: does wine take many resources?
[09:38] <Fuzzy76> and yes, I tried to restart thunderbird
[09:38] <digits> mzinz: yes and no, it depends on which program you use... some are more supported than others
[09:40] <digits> Fuzzy76: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/linuxurls.html
[09:41] <Fuzzy76> thanks :)
[09:42] <digits> Fuzzy76: np
[09:42] <digits> Fuzzy76: (klicked the first link on google ;P)
[09:44] <Fuzzy76> :p
[09:44] <derekS> i am running kde (with no gnome/gtk apps) however if i remove libgtk, it wants to remove things like dbus and avahi
[09:44] <derekS> and koffice
[09:44] <jorik> how do i record sounds in ubuntu ?
[09:44] <derekS> is there a reason for this?
[09:44] <derekS> and parts of amorak
[09:44] <derekS> etc
[09:46] <kkathman> apparently there is a reason
[09:47] <kkathman> you can go to #kubuntu-dev and perhaps ask them
[09:47] <jonathan_> is anyone else experiencing problems with gam_server?
[09:54] <uniq> dereks: which package is it you're trying to remove?
[09:55] <derekS> uniq: libgtk2.0-0
[09:55] <derekS> so it wipes out gtk
[09:56] <derekS> here is some of the ones that concern me that it wants to remove "amarok-engines amarok-gstreamer avahi-utils dbus-1-utils gconf2"
[09:56] <uniq> dereks: you can use 'apt-cache rdepends libgtk2.0-0' to see which packages depend on it.
[09:56] <uniq> that'll explain why you can't remove it.
[09:56] <derekS> actually gconf2 doesn't concern me
[09:57] <kkathman> libgtk is a foundational library, that unfortunately has the gtk in it.
[09:57] <jonathan_> is anyone in here besides me using the beta kubuntu?
[09:57] <kkathman> so its "assumed" to be part of "gnome"
[09:57] <jonathan_> i have resource questions
[09:57] <derekS> i know what depends on it but why would koffice depend on libgtk?
[09:57] <derekS> kkathman: its not a foundation library, koffice *shouldn't* depend on libgtk
[09:57] <derekS> i actually understand why the ones above do
[09:58] <kkathman> derekS:  because libgtk is just a C lib thats all and many many proggies use it
[09:58] <kkathman> its foundational
[09:58] <derekS> kkathman: yeah, but kde programs don't
[09:58] <kkathman> yeah alot of them do believe it or not :)
[09:58] <kkathman> rightly or wrongly
[09:58] <derekS> kkathman: you are telling me that koffice and kword use it?
[09:58] <kkathman> apparently
[09:58] <derekS> kkathman: go into #koffice and ask them if they do :)
[09:58] <kkathman> I didnt write them, but yeah there's a dependency
[09:59] <kkathman> shrug
[09:59] <kkathman> what can I say?
[09:59] <kkathman> hehe
[09:59] <kkathman> wanna find out?   get the source of koffice and try to compile it without libgtk
[09:59] <kkathman> hehe
[10:00] <kkathman> yo sNake :)
[10:00] <kkathman> Snake__:  :)
[10:00] <kkathman> not the fake sNake but the real one :)
[10:01] <Snake___> kkathman: heyy
[10:01] <Snake__> kkathman: I want sNake grrr!! lol
[10:02] <kkathman> hehe
[10:03] <derekS> kkathman: find libgtk here: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/koffice/debian/control?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
[10:05] <kkathman> dont know what to tell ya :)
[10:05] <derekS> heh
[10:05] <kkathman> like I said go to #kubuntu-dev and tell them
[10:05] <kkathman> they can tell you or fix it
[10:05] <derekS> heh
[10:05] <derekS> ok
[10:06] <kkathman> derekS:  and if you find out about it..please let us know :)
[10:06] <derekS> heh ok
[10:06] <derekS> first i am upgrading to 1.5
[10:07] <temifowl> Does anyone know how to set up a printer?
[10:08] <kkathman> derekS:  if its of any consequence, Im on SUSE right now, and a KDE-only install - and when I look at my lib list...libgtk shows installed :)
[10:08] <derekS> kkathman: did you look at what packages required it?
[10:08] <kkathman> lemme check
[10:10] <kkathman> im firing up YaST...one moment
[10:10] <derekS> :)
[10:10] <gottlos> how do i set a program to run at startup?
[10:11] <temifowl> anyone know how to set up a printer?
[10:11] <NoUse> temifowl system settings -> printers
[10:11] <NoUse> gottlos put a link to the app in Autostart via konqueror
[10:11] <gottlos> thanks
[10:12] <temifowl> yo nouse, how do i find my printer?
[10:12] <NoUse> temifowl is it via USB?
[10:13] <temifowl> ya
[10:13] <NoUse> temifowl I think you just say its a USB printer and then select the model
[10:13] <temifowl> lol, how do you say its a usb printer, theres no options
[10:14] <kkathman> derekS:  well odd...  now it says its NOT installed :)
[10:14] <temifowl> ooh
[10:14] <temifowl> found it :D
[10:14] <derekS> kkathman: haha, there is NO reason it should be
[10:14] <kkathman> I have a libgtkhtml
[10:14] <kkathman> which is new
[10:14] <kkathman> hm
[10:15] <derekS> now it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop if i remove libgtk
[10:15] <kkathman> derekS:  ahhh I was looking in the wrong section
[10:16] <derekS> ohhh
[10:16] <kkathman> its now libgtk
[10:16] <kkathman> its just gtk and gtk2
[10:16] <kkathman> but
[10:16] <kkathman> it does specifically state its a Gnome specific lib
[10:16] <kkathman> UI lib
[10:16] <derekS> kkathman: i don't think you can have gtk2 without libgtk2
[10:16] <kkathman> but I cant explain why its installed
[10:17] <kkathman> well SUSE has a slightly different packaging too
[10:17] <derekS> kkathman: yeah i know
[10:17] <kkathman> there is no "libgtk"  but a gtk dev package
[10:17] <kkathman> but still
[10:17] <temifowl> It works :o
[10:18] <kkathman> im perplexed as well
[10:18] <derekS> kkathman: why not try removing it?
[10:18] <kkathman> against I figure it must be because some developer uses a routine in it :)
[10:18] <kkathman> still worth a question to #kubuntu-dev
[10:18] <derekS> kkathman: heh
[10:18] <derekS> kkathman: i asked there
[10:18] <derekS> no response
[10:19] <kkathman> hmm
[10:19] <kkathman> page Riddell
[10:19] <kkathman> maybe he knows
[10:19] <qualus> heya. i'm runnign Kubuntu, but for some reason i can't use the "make" commands. ever.
[10:19] <qualus> O_o
[10:20] <derekS> kkathman: he isn't in there
[10:20] <kkathman> he should be around later
[10:20] <derekS> yeah
[10:22] <kkathman> derekS:  whats the package again?
[10:22] <kkathman> libgtk what?
[10:22] <derekS> libgtk2.0-0
[10:23] <kkathman> hmm
[10:23] <derekS> its just the libraries behind gtk
[10:23] <kkathman> ahh there he is now
[10:23] <kkathman> Riddell right on cue :)
[10:24] <derekS> i just asked him in devel :)
[10:25] <kkathman> derekS:  that library has to do with GIMP I think
[10:25] <kkathman> GTK - Gimp Tool Kit
[10:25] <derekS> kkathman: right, i don't have gimp on it :)
[10:25] <kkathman> but I wonder
[10:25] <derekS> all gtk = gimp tool kit
[10:25] <derekS> thats what it started as
[10:25] <kkathman> does koffice somehow need the drawing tools in the gtk for something?
[10:25] <derekS> kkathman: no
[10:26] <kkathman> hmm
[10:26] <derekS> gtk would be comparable to qt
[10:26] <kkathman> well Riddell would know
[10:26] <derekS> yeah
[10:32] <Search4Lancer> !codec
[10:32] <ubotu> Search4Lancer: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:32] <NoUse> !w32codecs
[10:32] <ubotu> w32codecs is, like, totally, a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[10:44] <bobbin> The live DVD is ok live but does badly as an install medium. I had to use the CD iso to install, the DVD versions of things still consistently fail on my machine.
[10:45] <kkathman> derekS:  well..do we have a verdict?
[10:46] <derekS> kkathman: gstreamer is in kubuntu-desktop :)
[10:46] <kkathman> yes
[10:46] <kkathman> well
[10:46] <kkathman> its an add on
[10:46] <kkathman> not standard
[10:47] <kkathman> i just installed it this morning in fact because amarok wasnt working
[10:47] <bobbin> Anyway, I want to demonstrate Dapper (KDissert in particular) to a Windows buddy, but not to do a full install. I was wondering, does anybody know the necessary steps to install particular apps from repositories to a directory on a Windows partition, and then add it to the path when the live dvd is booted?
[10:48] <uniq> bobbin: can't you put it on a usb-stick or something?
[10:48] <derekS> kkathman: no it is a standard
[10:48] <uniq> or download from within the live dvd.
[10:48] <derekS> not on dapper, on breezy
[10:48] <kkathman> ohh perhaps so...Im on dapper
[10:48] <derekS> yeah
[10:49] <uniq> dereks: you don't need to have kubuntu-desktop installed, you can safely remove the kubuntu-desktop package if it depends on packages you don't want.
[10:49] <derekS> uniq: i know
[10:50] <derekS> but when i dist-upgrade
[10:50] <derekS> it will come back
[10:50] <derekS> iirc
[10:50] <uniq> no, it won't.
[10:50] <derekS> i thought it will?
[10:50] <uniq> no.
[10:50] <bobbin> uniq: Probably, but it's smaller than the live DVD image (at 1 GB vs >1GB). Or do you mean install the extra apps to the USB stick?
[10:51] <uniq> not unless some updated version of a package depends on it.
[10:51] <derekS> hmm
[10:52] <uniq> bobbin: download the needed files to install kdissert on to a usb-stick, and install them on the live system while running.
[10:52] <derekS> uniq: i am considering upgrading to dapper on this machine soon anyways...
[10:52] <uniq> bobbin: you could always download and install from the internet while running from the live dvd.. if you have internet access, that's probably the easiest way.
[10:52] <derekS> so i am not THAT worried
[10:54] <bobbin> uniq: That's what I thought. What command would I need to use to install to the USB stick's /etc or /opt or /user/bin ? I don't want to do a reinstall every time...
[10:54] <uniq> dereks: on a clean dapper system amarok is the only application in kubuntu-desktop depending on libgtk2.0-0.
[10:54] <derekS> uniq: this is more or less clean
[10:54] <derekS> and i thought dapper uses xine
[10:56] <uniq> bobbin: if you can, use a live dvd, connect to the internet, sudo apt-get install kdissert. copy the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to the usb-stick. when installing on a new system dpkg -i *.deb from the usb-stick.
[10:57] <vge> back, whats the easiest way to use MS Word in KDE :/
[10:57] <derekS> vge: you don't :)
[10:57] <derekS> use kword
[10:57] <vge> i just have to and i dont have dual boot
[10:57] <derekS> or ooo writer
[10:57] <derekS> vge: crossover office MIGHT work for you, but its not free
[10:57] <uniq> dereks: sorry, my bad, wrong chroot. i mean in breezy it's only amarok that depends on gtk. :)
[10:58] <vge> vmware just aint fast enought in my laptop
[10:58] <derekS> uniq: on mine, koffice and kword do :(
[10:58] <vge> derekS: well i have allot of doc documents atm :/
[10:58] <derekS> vge: i told you, crossover office MIGHT work, as might XINE
[10:58] <uniq> koffice and kword isn't in kubuntu-desktop. but yes, you're right.
[10:59] <derekS> vge: abiword/ooo/koffice open word files
[10:59] <derekS> uniq: yeah
[10:59] <vge> derekS: i know i know
[10:59] <derekS> uniq: i didn't realize it wasn't in it
[10:59] <vge> just that ms cant do it correctly :D
[11:00] <vge> i just cant start to learn OOWriter and all it's differences atm, im kinda in a deadline with my thesis :)
[11:00] <bobbin> uniq: does "when instalIing on a new system" refer to putting the apt/archives to the Windows partition?
[11:01] <vge> but ill try the methos you suggested
[11:01] <derekS> vge: theyare VERY similar
[11:02] <vge> derekS: yes, i know, but it's just not a option atm
[11:02] <slow-motion> re
[11:02] <derekS> ok
[11:04] <uniq> bobbin: when installing kdissert on a new live system. You can of course copy the files to a windows partition instead of a usb-stick if you prefer. That wouldn't matter. The only problem could be writing to NTFS, most winxp systems use it, and it's not recommended to write to from linux. Using a usb-stick with FAT or similar that won't be a problem.
[11:25] <navidjoon> Sorry guys, sounds like I messed my Adept
[11:25] <navidjoon> It gives some wiered message
[11:25] <navidjoon> Here it goes:
[11:26] <navidjoon> The APT Database will be opened in read-only mode, this means you cannot install/uninstall/upgrade anything. You have to run this program as root to be able to do that.
[11:26] <navidjoon> What can I do?
[11:26] <jorik> navidjoon, run it as root ?
[11:26] <jorik> you probably mistyped your password or something
[11:26] <navidjoon> As root?
[11:26] <jorik> try opening a shell and typing "sudo adept"
[11:26] <navidjoon> No, I type adept
[11:26] <navidjoon> It prompts for  the password and ...
[11:26] <navidjoon> As I always did
[11:27] <navidjoon> I did a sudo adept
[11:27] <navidjoon> But still no luck
[11:28] <navidjoon> Is there some kind of lock file for it?
[11:28] <jorik> yeah but that would give a diffrent error AFAIK
[11:28] <navidjoon> Any further suggestion guys?
[11:29] <navidjoon> Please help, I have just set up this box and need it for my job
[11:35] <uniq> navidjoon: 'sudo fuser -vk /var/lib/dpkg/lock' then try 'kdesu adept'
[11:36] <nico8481> re
[11:36] <Boeboe> is it possible to install extra programs while using the live cd? even if only until you shut down the pc
[11:37] <navidjoon> Did that uniq but no luck again
[11:39] <HaxoR91> hi
[11:39] <HaxoR91> i want to add sounds on kubuntu
[11:39] <wimpies> I need a newer version of open office.  Use breezy's version now.
[11:39] <uniq> boeboe: yes.
[11:40] <wimpies> Can I use Dapper's.  Would I need to upgrade lots ofpackages Or only OO ?
[11:40] <HaxoR91> i want to add sounds on gaim i meant
[11:40] <HaxoR91> but it work on kubuntu
[11:41] <HaxoR91> wont work
[11:42] <HaxoR91> how do i make the sounds work on gaim with kubuntu?
[11:43] <ph3r> Hey, I just installed kubuntu. I have an nVidia gfx card, and I've noticed this with gnome too, when kde starts, the screen is "distorted" like a moasic.
[11:43] <uniq> wimpies: i would not recommend using dapper packages in breezy. Try to find a backported version.
[11:44] <ph3r> Hey, I just installed kubuntu. I have an nVidia gfx card, and I've noticed this with gnome too, when kde starts, the screen is "distorted" like a moasic.
[11:44] <wimpies> Backported ? any idea where ?
[11:47] <krenx> when ive untared files and ./configure them, it says "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH". why?
[11:47] <krenx> ive installed a c compiler from adept-manager
[11:48] <uniq> wimpies: don't know, try searching google for 'openoffice breezy backport' or something similar.
[11:48] <uniq> krenx: find 'build-essential' in adept, and install it.
[11:49] <krenx> cheers
[11:51] <uniq> wimpies: you can try theese: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/
[11:51] <uniq> that would be 'deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/OOo2/ ./' in sources.list
[11:55] <HaxoR91> where can i download audio drivers?
[11:57] <HaxoR91> ?
[11:57] <HaxoR91> where can i download audio drivers?
[11:57] <Seantater> I doubt you need to
[11:57] <Seantater> Most drivers for Linux come built-in
[11:57] <Seantater> Are you having sound problems?
[11:59] <Seantater> HaxoR91:bump
[12:00] <HaxoR91> yea i am sean
[12:01] <Seantater> I beleive ubotu had something to say on this:
[12:01] <Seantater> I'm going to have to check
[12:01] <lilminimey06> hallo everyone. Today i bought me a ipod nano and i wanted to get it working with Amarok, but with no luck. Anyone got a ipod working with amarok?
[12:01] <Seantater> !sound
[12:01] <ubotu> methinks sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[12:01] <HaxoR91> i have problems with totem
[12:02] <HaxoR91> i cant play anything with totem
[12:02] <Seantater> only totem, nothing else?
[12:02] <Seantater> !info totem
[12:02] <ubotu> totem: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop (dummy package)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-0ubuntu3.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[12:02] <Seantater> ah-ha!
[12:02] <krenx> uniq: now i have problems with the make command, it says: no makefile found