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[02:11] A beating even? ;-P === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:12] beating [02:12] wiki too [02:14] Should Flight 5 bugs be rejected? [02:17] bddebian, if they have been fixed [02:18] hey sabdfl, you around for 2 mins? === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4205928.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] Is there even a flash-player meta package anymore? [02:21] bddebian, there is an installer package [02:22] Actually called flash-player? I can't find one? [02:22] flashplugin-nonfree - Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer [02:22] bddebian, see the Ubuntu Desktop Guide for more information :D [02:23] Sorry I'm just looking at unconfirmed bugs and that's an old one [02:23] there used to be a flashplayer package which shipped the thing, but it was removed because we didn't have the appropriate licence [02:24] infinity was looking into getting permission to ship it again [02:25] Same for flashplayer-mozilla plugin? [02:25] that was the one [02:26] sabdfl, I'll leave you a query === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dobwan [n=dobwan@c-71-227-74-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dobwan [n=dobwan@c-71-227-74-191.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Marineboy [n=PX2@nc-71-49-180-128.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Marineboy [n=PX2@nc-71-49-180-128.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [n=jono@88-107-8-94.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] jdub, Mr Waugh, are you present on this fine evening? === j^ [n=j@e178010130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo__ [n=slomo@p5486FBC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] why cant i edit a spec on lp? says permission denied === spstarr_work_ [n=spstarr@192.219.104.10] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-130-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FliesLikeABrick [n=Ryan@about/rpi/rawdor] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4207901.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenEnabledKernelDraft === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.90.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4208431.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508DAEC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xiaowen [n=xiaowen@rdu-nat.rpath.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === imbrandon [n=brandon@CPE-72-135-8-5.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.90.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netstar [n=al@d58-108-22-83.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [n=spotter@212.117.136.130.static.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206347.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] Anyone awake that can check an upload for me? [04:37] bddebian: I'm awake. But I'm not competent yet. :) [04:37] sfllaw: :-) [04:37] What's involved in checking an Ubuntu upload? === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206347.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] sfllaw: I didn't get an accept or reject message :-) [04:38] I probably need lamont, Kamion, or infinity? [04:39] Ah. Well then. [04:39] Best go back to sleep. [04:39] hi simon === jr__ [n=jr@86.53.39.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] ajmitch: Hey. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] sfllaw: Where do I know you from? [04:43] #hurd. [04:43] I'm coleSLAW. [04:44] sfllaw: I knew the coleSLAW nick, I just couldn't remember where I'd seen it :) [04:44] I'm getting senile in my old age :-) [04:45] Barry, really. You're a young-un. === j_ack [n=nico@p508DAEC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] Yeah right :-) [04:48] bddebian: another reason why you should have been at UBZ [04:48] ajmitch: Whazzat? [04:48] Ubuntu Below Zero. [04:48] I was there. Got myself a GNU T-shirt, even. [04:49] Very spiffy. [04:49] No, I mean what reason :-) [04:49] (I think that was that conference.) === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] nictuku: Did you get an e-mail about smart? === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206054.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgould [n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] bddebian, you mean from LP about your changes? if so, yes [04:52] nictuku: OK, good, just checking :-) [04:53] sfllaw: yeah, UBZ was the one in montreal === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:55] anyone up for poking arround with a spec i just proposed https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/fubuntu-desktop === poningru [n=poningru@ip68-226-0-76.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206340.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] Fluxbox Based? [05:05] DAMN YOU! YOU TOOK MY IDEA!! *STAB!* === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206340.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] :P [05:07] lol [05:07] Though I'd suggest mrxvt as a terminal [05:07] umm help me with it then ;) [05:07] Can I poke it? [05:08] sure [05:08] i've even setup a repos and metapackage too [05:08] if you wanna play [05:08] heh [05:08] Actually.....how do I register a distro... [05:08] on launchpad ? [05:08] not sure [05:08] or i probbly would have done that too [05:09] b/c I'm thinking about creating my own distro and I wanna use LP for bug tracking :D [05:09] not sure, poke arround ;) [05:09] was talking with the ArchLinux guys about it earlier === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] So am I allowed to "poke" the spec (how do I poke it anyway?) [05:11] register and add comments i think, first spec i've posted actualy [05:11] I'm registered believe me :P [05:12] whats your email? [05:13] kyral@azuredreams.us [05:13] Chris Peterman [05:13] kyralzbynek@iol.cz [05:13] Zbynek Kyral [05:13] wtf [05:13] ...polish? [05:13] thats from lp [05:13] no it ain't [05:14] ummm where else would i get it [05:14] https://launchpad.net/people/kyral [05:14] ;) [05:15] there i added it to your que [05:15] Whoa when the heck did I become the maintainer of configure-debian? [05:15] lol [05:15] oh "Uploaded" lol === imbrandon wants an @ubuntu.com email lol === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206293.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex__ is now known as theCore === alex__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206293.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex__ is now known as theCore === theCore__ [n=alex@toronto-HSE-ppp4206293.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.90.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:48] GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! [05:49] salut jdub, how are you today? [05:49] Hello jdub [05:49] What if we hate freedom but like Ubuntu? ;-P [05:50] then you are dead to me [05:50] Burgundavia: morning [05:50] Burgundavia: good === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] good morning [05:50] 10x10 is marching across Oklahoma [05:50] Burgundavia: today, in my country, we celebrate/mourn the unimaginable horrors of war [05:51] ah, we do that on November 11th [05:51] Hmm, I think I'm dead to most in here :-) [05:52] we do that one too [05:52] bddebian: outlander...\ [05:53] jsgotangco: Heh. I'm out in the middle of some island in the boonies on this thing :-) [05:58] jdub: you were up for the dawn parade then? [06:01] ajmitch: no, actually, i just got up === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.58.6] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] oh my [06:30] i just remembered [06:30] its been a year since UDU [06:30] you mean BZ? [06:30] been a long time eh? [06:30] oh no [06:30] your right [06:30] nevermind me [06:30] :) [06:30] Gallipoli === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jr__ [n=jr@86.53.39.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel === keel [n=keel@tor/session/external/x-4f893d3c975c9809] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:23] what (on earth) took ubuntu so long until it got a functional installation/live cd? why was it not possible to simply import knoppix technology? (i am not complaining or rhetoricizing, i really am very much interested in understanding what is that makes such cooperation impossible even in the world of open source.) === j^_ [n=j@e178042047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:26] why do i get this feeling that most other (non-knoppixbased) distros try to reinvent the wheel (when it comes to cd lives), and very much less successfully at that. [07:26] s/\./\?/ === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] Lure: do you prefer that i paste my questions again for you, since you've just come? [07:28] keel: yes please [07:28] Lure: and, btw, what is .si?! [07:28] keel: Erm, we prefer that you don't whine in here in the first place. [07:28] keel: Slovenia [07:29] keel: This is not a discussion forum, it's a development co-ordination channel. === zakame [n=zak@210.1.85.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:29] what (on earth) took ubuntu so long until it got a functional installation/live cd? why was it not possible to simply import knoppix technology? (i am not complaining or rhetoricizing, i really am very much interested in understanding what is that makes such cooperation impossible even in the world of open source.) [07:29] why do i get this feeling that most other (non-knoppixbased) distros try to reinvent the wheel (when it comes to cd lives), and very much less successfully at that. [07:29] infinity: do i really look like whining? [07:29] hi [07:30] keel: Well, you're asking questions that you know won't be answered, so it hardly seems relevant to development. [07:30] keel: We do things differently. We always have. We like our LiveCD. It works for us. We're not switching to knoppix's methods. The end. [07:30] infinity: my question may be quite "higher level", but is very much related to ubuntu development. [07:31] keel: I though that you have some concrete questions - your's is more a philosophical and is has to do with freedom to innovate [07:31] infinity: no, really! i never thought my question was unanswearable. i just thought i didn't know the answers and thought it was time for me to finally ask for them. [07:31] Lure: i see. it's a matter of variation. i then agree. [07:32] keel: Note that "providing answers to your burning questions" has nothing to do with development. [07:32] infinity: is ubuntu's a better approach? [07:32] keel: Saying "guys, I have some great ways to improve the LiveCD and how it runs/installs, here are some patches" would. [07:32] keel: I tend to prefer Ubuntu's LiveCD, but I take part in building it, so I may be biased. [07:32] infinity: you use this channel only as a tool for development? [07:33] keel: why do you think things has to be done like others are doing - I started to participate in this great community because their way is innovation by itself and because it is very easy to contribute [07:33] keel: and yes, this channel is meant to be for real development issues [07:33] infinity: anyway, i am not against innovation (or attempts to innovate). i only wonder why not using already existing technologies, until ours is ready [07:34] Lure: ^ [07:34] Lure, infinity: then again, what do you think the best channel would be for this kind of a discussion? [07:34] keel: Sometimes reinventing the wheel is cleaner and easier than shoehorning your distribution into someone else's build process. [07:35] keel: #ubuntu would be fine, or the sounder@lists.ubuntu.com mailing list... === infinity isn't sure if there's really an IRC equivalent to sounder. [07:36] #ubuntu-offtopic [07:37] infinity: i agree, i was just not sure this was what ubuntu was doing (having another vision, wanting to begin it from scratch); however, i am not sure it is impossible to use knoppix's technology only temporarily, until ours becomes acceptable (as it is now). [07:37] infinity: what is "sounder"? [07:38] crimsun, keel: oh, "sounder" is some sort of mailing list equivalent to "#ubuntu-offtopic"? [07:43] "sounder" isn't really "offtopic", per se (though it can be), it's about "sounding off", a good place to bounce your ideas and criticisms off other people without disrupting the general flow of a development list that may not feel the urge to argue that day. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0B03.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] good morning === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] morning dholbach [07:58] heya janimo === StevenK waves to dholbach [07:58] janimo: how is xubuntu looking for release? [07:58] StevenK: how are you? [07:58] dholbach: still things to fix and move to main [07:58] dholbach: At the moment - aching, since I just came back from the gym. [07:58] the gtk only stuff mostly [07:58] otherwise ok [07:58] StevenK: hope you're better in a bit :-) [07:59] janimo: i'll look into goffice today - on first glance, it looked reasonable, but I want to test it and poke it a bit more [07:59] janimo: promise :) [07:59] dholbach: thanks, when done, Gauvain will post a patch for gnumeric :) [08:00] i thought so :) [08:00] dholbach: do you know whether g-s-t upstream plans a new release? or how responsive is generally? [08:00] um... not responsive [08:00] there are some debian/patches which lok generoc enough that they could use them [08:00] figured, he did not answer my gtk only request of 3 weeks ago :) [08:00] yeah, he's bug contact for it as well, so he knows about ubuntu patches [08:01] I guess he's just busy with a lot of other things [08:01] yup [08:01] do you know if abiword 2.4.4 is planned for dapper? [08:01] yeah planned, but info on the uvf bug missing === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-196-126.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] janimo: hmm, in my opinion there are a bunch of unnecessary changes in there (re goffice patch) [08:38] janimo: I just had to 'update' the patch because debian did a couple of changes in the meantime and I'd like to keep the delta smaller if possible, so we don't cry every few merges with Debian === carlos [n=carlos@105.Red-81-34-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:39] janimo: I'll follow up on the bug report === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] Good morning! [08:46] morning pitti , dholbach [08:46] morning pitti [08:46] hi ajmitch [08:46] hey sivang [08:46] hey ajmitch [08:47] hi sivang [08:47] heya pitti === pitti hugs dholbach === mvo [n=egon@p54A64F88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hey mvo! [08:47] how are y'all? [08:47] hey dholbach [08:48] mvo: morning [08:48] sivang: good morning! === sivang hugs mvo [08:48] mvo: how are you today? :-) === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] mvo: had a chance to read my comments for malone #40802 ? [08:48] Malone bug 40802 in gnome-system-tools "in users-admin user privileges there are 3 modem entries" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40802 [08:56] mvo: also, me and slomo worked to improve my packaging for HUB, which is based on gdebi's packaging. We fixed some mostly blue print stuff that is not required for a py package, however I found out that both my pkg and the current gdebi one have this intltool die out on line 1069: [08:56] mvo: Died at /usr/bin/intltool-merge line 1069, line 3619. [08:56] mvo: any idea what causes this? [08:57] sivang: interessting, I haven't noticed. what command causes it? === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] mvo: well, I reckon those the: [08:59] os.system("intltool-merge -d po data/upbackup.desktop.in"\ [08:59] " build/upbackup.desktop") [08:59] os.system("intltool-merge -d po data/uprestore.desktop.in"\ [08:59] " build/uprestore.desktop") [08:59] two invocations we have in the setup.py script. [09:02] if dh_* calls intltool I wouldn't have an idea , so I can guess only those two make intltool die at some point. One assumtion that comes to mind is that build/* does not exist in certain point which make it break [09:02] mvo: oops, replace those with gdebi'd data ;-) [09:03] sivang: but when you run it by hand everything is fine? === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] mvo: Yes, IIRC [09:04] mvo: (it was late last night :-p) [09:04] mvo: you have one .xml.in entry, and one desktop.in entry in gdebi [09:04] (to remind) === keel [n=keel@tor/session/external/x-4f893d3c975c9809] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] doko: hi, around? === herzi [n=herzi@d060237.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] sivang: thanks I have seen it now too. its because the build/ dir is missing in the arch-build run (first setup.py clean --all is called). but it dosnt matter because when setup.py is run again with build as argument the dir is created. the fix is to check what argument is setup.py called with [09:27] mvo: I see, I had seen it works anyways (that is there are resulting translation merged files in build) but thought to notify you anyways , I hope I was not bugging :-) [09:28] sivang: no, that was fine, its good to know about stuff like this, sometimes it harmless, but sometimes it serious :) [09:28] mvo: oh, and slomo recommended to remove the arch-build target, so I did so. I did not understand why it's there or what was its purpose. So I left only binary-arche and made it empty (moved stuff there to binary-indep) as this is a platform independent package. [09:30] mvo: package seem to build fine and work without arch-build as well, so I assumed it's okay. === sivang hopes this is not mandatory for the buildds to be happy or something. [09:30] sivang: I use arch-build to build directly out of my bzr source tree, its more a helper and not required === crimsun [i=crimsun@hacked.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:33] mvo: ah, I see , thanks for the calrification , it all makes sense now. (so arch is in the meaning of Arch RCS) [09:33] sivang: yes. it creates a clean tarball from the current tree, builds etc === klepas [n=klepas@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] mvo: cool, thanks :) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0B03.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B0B03.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-100-191.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach__ [n=daniel@i577B0B03.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] hello everyone [10:03] pitti: ping ? [10:04] Hi Tonio_ [10:05] pitti: hey ;) [10:06] pitti: I was just trying to configure a printer with cups on a fresh beta install, and I'm getting a prompt for login and password in the web interface [10:06] I have a big emergency since I got water in my apartment all the night and I really need to print :) [10:07] Tonio_: oh, did you? surprisingly, this was broken until recently [10:07] Tonio_: use gnome-cups-manager [10:07] pitti: is that a known problem and is there a quick fix on it ? I couldn't find a bug on launchpad concerning this problem [10:07] pitti: gnome-cups-manager works ? [10:07] Tonio_: should [10:07] ok === klepas [n=klepas@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:07] Tonio_: also, you can reactivate the web interface with sudo adduser cupsys shadow [10:07] Tonio_: (see README.Debian) [10:07] I will thanks [10:08] ogra: hm, does the AE still work for you with kernel .21? Seems to be broken for me [10:12] pitti: fyi, the web interface works, but I am prompted to add username and password while validating the driver choice [10:12] appart from that the web interface works nicelly [10:12] that's why I don't understand [10:13] problem with sudo or something ? [10:13] Tonio_: no, you need to authenticate as a printer admin to do printer administration :) [10:13] Tonio_: i. e. you need to enter user/pwd of someone who is in the 'lpadmin' group [10:15] pitti: hum, seems like I'm stupid this morning ;) [10:16] pitti: many thanks ! [10:16] Tonio_: no worries :) btw, this is an #ubuntu matter [10:17] pitti: true, sorry === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.49.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] carlos: pong [10:37] doko: did you see the bug about oo.org's .po being broken again? [10:37] I hadn't time to debug it, I'm asking just in case you know anything else [10:39] not yet [10:39] hi carlos [10:40] pitti: hi [10:40] doko: ok [10:40] carlos: KDE import is still not loving you? [10:41] pitti: I did a bunch of fixes for dapper language packs, but a database lock broke the exports, it should work today [10:41] pitti: remaining ones were imported last Saturday [10:41] cool [10:41] I'll watch out for this afternoon's report [10:41] Number of PO files to export: 27775 [10:42] that's the amount of .po files we have now for language packs === jinty [n=jinty@84.Red-83-55-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:42] vs. Number of PO files to export: 15049 we had on latest export [10:42] carlos: hm, number of po files isn't displayed in my statistics [10:42] but tat looks impressive [10:43] pitti: that's KDE ;-) [10:43] and I'm sure we are still missing some translation domains to be set as part of language packs === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] hi slomo [11:01] hi pitti :) === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.63.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Firetech [n=Jocke@h78n2fls311o1100.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] is there any spec for the Ubuntu SAMBA config tool (SoC)? [11:13] or, can I write a spec for that? [11:15] Launchpad will be going down in just over 45 minutes at 10:00 UTC for its regular code update. Estimated downtime is 15 minutes. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:18] G0SUB_: If you write a spec for it, I'd like to read it before you propose it "officially".l [11:18] Mithrandir, infinity: do you know why last xubuntu daily live is from Apr 20? [11:18] janimo: If I had to guess, I'd say I haven't added it to little crontab. Let me look. [11:18] infinity: sure. that'd be great [11:18] janimo: s/little/little's/ [11:22] janimo: Fixed. Do you want me to sping a set manually for you now? (dailies would have built about 20 minutes ago, according to cron) [11:22] infinity: should I mail you the draft spec? [11:22] G0SUB_: Please. [11:22] infinity: yes, thanks [11:22] infinity: okay, great. FYI I would like to write that tool as a part of the GOOG SoC [11:22] so will live and install both be made arounf this hour daily? [11:23] janimo: Yup. [11:25] yeah, I'd added it to the crontab in arch but probably forgot to roll that out on little after the beta cycle finished [11:25] Kamion: Yeah, I noticed the copy in /etc was correct. [11:26] Still, blame me, since I was the one that set it up initially. :) === s3xt0y [n=doom3g@65-255-65-45.dyn.highspeed.pldi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] startkeylogger DCC SEND [myg0t] OWNSYOU === s3xt0y [n=doom3g@65-255-65-45.dyn.highspeed.pldi.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:26] ? [11:26] I should have added it, commented-out to the (at the time) disabled crontab. === s3xt0y [n=doom3g@65-255-65-45.dyn.highspeed.pldi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] startkeylogger DCC SEND [myg0t] OWNSYOU === s3xt0y [n=doom3g@65-255-65-45.dyn.highspeed.pldi.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:29] ogra: I noticed there's a new denemo version in incoming - isn't that some edubuntu stuff you use? [11:29] janimo: Built and published; sorry for the oversight. [11:29] infinity: np, thank you === Kagou [n=Kagou@84.5.172.95] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] hi === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.45.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [11:46] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes at 10:00 UTC for its regular code update. Estimated downtime is 15 minutes. === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-50-207.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.34.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-173.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul_ [n=ompaul@194.125.21.84] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.51.207] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.55.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Bluekuja [n=bluekuja@host199-235.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] dholbach, yes, thanks, will look [12:17] pitti, i dont have .21 yet [12:18] will try === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.60.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] hmm, intresting [12:28] apt-get remove openoffice.org-core [12:28] removes all parts of openoffice [12:29] but installs all openoffice-help files ??? [12:29] ogra: because you have language-support-* installed [12:29] ah [12:29] ? [12:29] looked a bit weird [12:29] ok === abelcheung_ [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.92.34.70] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [n=jdub@ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] mvo, ping === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] ogra: pong [12:48] mvo, did annything in apt change recently ? [12:48] l [12:48] not a lot [12:48] why? [12:48] have a look at the last lines here http://librarian.launchpad.net/2322385/messages === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] it belongs to bug 41088 [12:48] Malone bug 41088 in ltsp "beta install cd can't complete LTSP build chroot" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/41088 [12:48] seb128: go on vacation ;) [12:48] and i have no explanation for it [12:49] mvo: nice to see you too :p [12:50] seb128: a BIG hug from dholbach too :) [12:50] where is he? ;) [12:50] hug him for me too :) [12:50] seb128: on my phone [12:50] lol [12:50] you guys never stop calling each other :p === shackan [n=shackan@host75-106.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:57] seb128: get a headset and we start to call you too [12:58] ogra: it looks like gpg is missing on that install? [12:58] mvo: ahah, no thank you :p [12:58] mvo: you guys sipping or skyping? [12:58] mvo, hmm [12:59] shouldnt be [12:59] ogra: if it is there, please run -o Debug::gpgv=true [12:59] phew [12:59] jdub: sipping (ekiga) and using "real" phones, skype is non-free ;) [12:59] that requires to rebuild ltsp and make a new iso [12:59] and poo too [12:59] ogra: is gpg there? [12:59] it apparently doesnt happen if you run the script in a installed system [01:00] i'll ask the user [01:00] but since i didnt remove it and it worked before, it should be there [01:01] ogra: please make him run the install with -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=true? === j^_ is now known as j^ [01:01] ogra: or the script under strace -f -e trace=execve [01:01] mvo, as i said that requires a lot of changes to ltsp to make sure this option is set in the installer [01:02] (its the part that runs non interactive in the installer [01:02] ) [01:11] pitti: Do you have some kind of magic channel to Mozilla upstream ? [01:11] Diziet: not really [01:11] I've been looking at the 30000-line diff between firefox 1.5.0.1 and 1.5.0.2 and I need to quiz them about it. [01:11] Diziet: I'm on their security announce mailing list, but that's about it [01:11] Well, actually, what I want to know is WHAT WERE THEY THINKING ?? [01:12] 30Klines? ouch [01:12] That's what I was thinking. [01:12] I think you should hunt them down and go and stick a fork in their head. *prang* [01:12] and much of it is actually changed code, not just s/1.5.0.1/1.5.0.2/ in docs and so on? [01:12] Not just a fork. === abelcheung_ is now known as abelcheung [01:13] Does the security announce list have a different or supplementary list of changes, compared to what I can see on Burning Edge and in the official release notes ? === StevenK finally gets something working and resists the urge to add the comment "make is my bitch" [01:13] Diziet: no, recent messages just discussed some details of the MFSAs, but everythuing is on their web page now [01:13] Diziet: there were no split out patches or so [01:13] I picked 3 random numbers in the range 0 to size-of-diff and looked at the changes at that line, and it seems to be full of stuff which is hard to justify. [01:14] Do you have access to the secret bug reports ? Can you grant it to me ? [01:14] That might help. [01:14] Diziet: no, unfortunately not [01:14] None of my three samples were traceable to a release notes entry or Burning Edge change description. [01:14] Diziet: I can ask them to give access to me if you need to [01:14] Diziet: yes, they didn't only fix security bugs, also 'normal' bugs [01:15] Yes, but Burning Edge lists supposedly the normal bugs they fix too. [01:15] I don't mind if they also fix stability problems etc. === Gman is now known as GmanZZZ === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] Including a diff to the XForms code, which isn't even compiled, is just absurd. [01:16] At least, I think it's not compiled. [01:16] I don't have a built tree to hand right now to check. [01:16] And it takes about 15-20 mins to track down each one of these changes and then hit a dead end (though I'm getting faster at it with practice). [01:18] argh, what giant waste of time :/ [01:18] I was going to sample five or so and if they all turned out to be reasonable changes then deciding to put it into dapper would be easy. [01:19] in the end we don't have much of a choice anyway [01:19] But after three, of which only one looks justifiable to me, I'm not so sure. [01:19] Well, yes. [01:20] We don't have a choice to punt it to Dapper since it fixes security problems? [01:21] StevenK: applying security patches manually has turned out to not work at all [01:21] StevenK: that's why we are more or less doomed to update to new upstream versions even for stable security updates [01:21] So... when are we forking it? [01:22] Treenaks: if you are able to and understand the code, we'll encourage you :) === \sh [n=shermann@ubuntu/member/backslash-sh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] hey \sh [01:22] pitti: 2 words: Hazard pay. === sivang thinks nobody can understand that code. [01:23] <\sh> moins :) [01:23] sivang: well, it's just code, so given a large enough amount of time you can [01:23] sivang: it's just awfully much code and it's not documented very well [01:24] I see [01:24] Treenaks: let's do it ;-) [01:25] === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] sivang: OK. Drop the current codebase and rewrite in Perl or Python [01:25] pitti: I once tried to under the xml dialect they use for the UI, not something to look at before you have lunch :) [01:25] Treenaks: Python! Python! Python! :-) === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACD8FE51.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] <\sh> pitti: regarding...https://launchpad.net/bugs/40976 could we setup an update system for clamav for dapper? not doing the backport thing but rolling out real updates for this package> [01:26] Malone bug 40976 in breezy-backports "Clamav backport" [Critical,In progress] [01:26] \sh: what's wrong with the backport approach? [01:27] <\sh> pitti: because I think that doing official updates or security updates for clamav is more confidence then pushing it through backports [01:27] \sh: there are no official updates anyway, it's universe [01:28] \sh: however, if someone comes along and wants to care for clamav, I don't see why we shouldn't do proper upgrades [01:29] <\sh> pitti: right, but we could do updates for this special package, because it's well known and widley spread :) and I'm starting to care about packages after dapper release and after I know what happens next here with my job L:) [01:30] pitti: I'm getting a "multiple ids" error for tcpick === toresbe [i=tsb@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] Keybuk: where? [01:33] pitti: trying to do the sync [01:33] I'm going to guess this means that the orig.tar.gz in Ubuntu doesn't match the one in Debian [01:33] same for fcheck === j_ack [n=nico@p508D8C83.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33]