[12:04] <mdke> LaserJock, how do I get the key for that repo?
[12:05] <mdke> also:
[12:05] <mdke> The following packages have unmet dependencies: bzrtools: Depends: bzr (= 0.8~200604201740-0ubuntu1) but 0.8~200603240905 is to be installed
[12:05] <mdke> E: Broken packages
[12:05] <LaserJock> k, just a sec
[12:06] <LaserJock> mdke: I think the key is at http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/Release.gpg
[12:08] <mdke> any idea how I add it?
[12:09] <LaserJock> argh, I can't remember
[12:11] <LaserJock> mdke: apt-key add Release.gpg
[12:12] <mdke> att@hudson:~$ sudo apt-key add Release.gpg
[12:12] <mdke> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[12:13] <LaserJock> heh
[12:14] <LaserJock> can you at least install "apt-get install bzr"?
[12:15] <mdke> LaserJock, yes.
[12:20] <mdke> done that
[12:24] <mdke> hang on
[12:25] <mdke> docbook-xml comes with some black and white admon images
[12:25] <LaserJock> ok, well it looks like the bzrtools and bzr are not in sync or something
[12:25] <LaserJock> but I don't know that I need bzrtool and I could build it in ~/ if I need it I think
[12:25] <LaserJock> mdke: that would be nice
[12:27] <mdke> /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/images
[12:27] <mdke> except there appears to be a note.svg missing
[12:28] <mdke> or at least, a black and white one
[12:31] <mdke> let's use the light bulb for note too
[12:33] <mdke> what program can use a svg? not gimp, apparently
[12:33] <LaserJock> inkscape?
[12:33] <mdke> downloading
[12:38] <mdke> using the same icons for note/tip and caution/important is kinda silly though
[12:38] <mdke> the reader is like "well why tell me about both then?!"
[12:39] <mdke> we could maybe cut that bit in the preface, if we do the same for colour icons, I guess
[12:39] <mdke> is there actually any difference between a "tip" and a "note" anyway??
[12:42] <LaserJock> not sure :-)
[12:43] <mdke> jeffsch will know
[12:43] <mgalvin> "tip" should be something that may or may not related the the text directly but can be useful such as such as an alternate command to use... "note" should be some that relates to the text directly such as NOTE: this may not work on version 5
[12:43] <mdke> jeffsch, what's the difference between a tip and a note
[12:44] <mdke> mgalvin, ah
[12:44] <mdke> yes, that makes sense
[12:44] <jeffsch> what mgalvin said :)
[12:44] <mgalvin> :)
[12:44] <mdke> so, bearing that in mind, is it better to use the same icon for tip and note, or merge them in preface.xml?
[12:44] <mdke> or, get another icon :/
[12:45] <mgalvin> i would get another icon
[12:45] <mdke> i dunno where from though
[12:45] <mgalvin> hmm
[12:46] <mdke> i like these black and white ones from docbook-xsl, but they are missing a note.svg in the same style
[12:47] <jeffsch> what about the icons here: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/conventions.html
[12:47] <mdke> jeffsch, they are not in black and white
[12:47] <mdke> and as colour icons, they aren't transparent either
[12:47] <LaserJock> can't we just black and white the ones we have?
[12:48] <mgalvin> wait, yea, just make them b/w
[12:48] <jeffsch> gimp
[12:48] <LaserJock> we need a burger ;-)
[12:48] <jeffsch> that is, use the gimp :)
[12:48] <mdke> it doesn't seem to support svg files
[12:50] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/note-bw.png
[12:50] <mdke> hmm
[12:50] <mdke> we need them smaller too, forgot to say
[12:51] <mgalvin> how small?
[12:51] <mdke> i was thinking 48x48 maybe
[12:51] <mgalvin> it is i think
[12:51] <mdke> so it is
[12:52] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/tip-bw.png
[12:52] <mdke> try warning
[12:53] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/warning-bw.png
[12:54] <mdke> that doesn't look too bad
[12:54] <mdke> the docbook-xsl ones are a lot cleaner, but these might be ok
[12:54] <mgalvin> http://www.simplifiedcomplexity.com/images/caution-bw.png
[12:55] <mdke> ok, thanks. I'll build a pdf
[12:56] <mgalvin> those are nice to, whatever works
[12:56] <mgalvin> np
[12:56] <jeffsch> maybe there's a fop setting for producing b&w output only
[12:57] <mdke> ah, they need to be quite a bit smaller
[12:58] <mgalvin> gimp -> image -> scale image
[12:58] <mdke> http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide-bw.pdf
[12:58] <mdke> but I think they will look bad if smaller, esp. note.png
[12:59] <mdke> I think we should maybe make a note image based on the clean docbook ones, and use those
[12:59] <mdke> http://mdke.org/ubuntu/admon
[01:00] <mdke> (important.svg is a duplicate of caution.svg, and note.svg is a duplicate of tip.svg
[01:00] <mdke> aha
[01:06] <mgalvin> there might be some at openclipart.org
[01:07] <mdke> argh. I resized the svg's which are transparent, and it is giving them a black background
[01:08] <mgalvin> lemme try with inkscape
[01:08] <mgalvin> what size should they be?
[01:08] <mdke> I did 24
[01:09] <mgalvin> k
[01:09] <mdke> they are definitely transparent, but it is fop that is giving them a black background
[01:10] <mgalvin> just give em a white b/g? would that interfere with anything?
[01:10] <mdke> no, i don't think so
[01:14] <mdke> mgalvin, yes, that looks ok
[01:15] <mdke> http://mdke.org/ubuntu/desktopguide-bw.pdf
[01:17] <mdke> ok, bed time. I'll mail the list with details of what we haven't sorted out
[01:18] <mgalvin> night
[01:18] <mdke> thanks for your help
[01:18] <mgalvin> np
[02:19] <LaserJock> mdke: uh oh
[02:20] <mdke> ah well
[02:20] <mdke> I'm not working wed->fri cos I have a course, so I only need to get through tomorrow
[02:20] <LaserJock> mdke: what time is it there
[02:20] <mdke> 01.20
[02:21] <LaserJock> mdke: could you do something for me real quick?
[02:21] <mdke> yes
[02:22] <LaserJock> if I get a  dumpfile from trunk then I can play with this svn2bzr tonight
[02:22] <mdke> none of us have access to the server
[02:23] <LaserJock> really? k
[02:23] <mdke> only elmo/znarl can get it, I think
[02:23] <LaserJock> alrigh, well I did it the easy way and just exported the svn file and then added to a blank bzr repo
[02:24] <mdke> ok
[02:24] <LaserJock> btw, if we get rid of html then I'll have to get rid of the doc-base stuff I did
[02:24] <mdke> yes, I know. :-(
[02:24] <LaserJock> it is still good for Kubuntu though
[02:25] <mdke> true :)
[02:25] <LaserJock> I'll look at it as the glass is half-full
[02:25] <mdke> I really think we should bin the html, and mdz/pitti is a strong combo
[02:26] <LaserJock> I personally think it is pretty redundant to have xml, html, and then html on help.u.c
[02:27] <jsgotangco> there's no use for xml in help.u.c really
[02:27] <mdke> well, there isn't any there
[02:28] <jsgotangco> sure
[02:28] <mdke> but yeah, people can go to the website if they want html, not look for a package which doesn't have a helpful naming convention
[02:28] <LaserJock> woah, ever have any of those close calls and  you adrenaline gets going?
[02:28] <LaserJock> I just about hit Enter on "rm -rf *" in ~ :(
[02:29] <crimsun> the cool thing is that my ~ is backed up into ~backup every 10 minutes
[02:29] <mdke> good thinking
[02:29] <LaserJock> crimsun: smart, very smart
[02:29] <crimsun> can you tell I've done that exact rm -rf a few times too many? :)
[02:30] <mdke> heh
[02:30] <jsgotangco> scary though
[02:32] <mdke> ok, real bed, night
[02:32] <jsgotangco> night
[02:40] <jeffsch> LaserJock: i just installed bzr too. I transferred styleguide to bzr without need for svn2bzr
[02:41] <LaserJock> yeah, but I think svn2bzr allows us to keep the revision history
[02:41] <jeffsch> ahh
[03:41] <Madpilot> hi all
[03:41] <robotgeek> hey
[04:02] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia - how's things in OK?
[04:03] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: not bad
[04:03] <Madpilot> you did the install & training today, right?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:04] <Burgundavia> I am now in Woodward
[04:04] <Madpilot> another centre of world culture & liberalism?
[04:04] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:05] <Burgundavia> although there is a Liberal, KS
[04:05] <Burgundavia> probably the only liberal in KS
[04:05] <Madpilot> heh
[04:05] <Madpilot> offended any locals yet with your heathen Canuckian ways?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> nope
[04:06] <Madpilot> amazing
[04:22] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png
[04:22] <Madpilot> cover draft for a Crown Quatro sized book, per one of Matt's last emails
[04:38] <robotgeek> Madpilot: are you on dapper, x86? with flashplayer installed?
[04:38] <Madpilot> Breezy, x86, w/ Flash
[04:39] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, okay. np, need someone to output a string for me 
[05:35] <Burgundavia> robotgeek: what do you need?
[05:55] <nictuku> hi. in server guide we have: "IP addresses are defined in classes whereby the
[05:55] <nictuku>                      bits making up an address correspond to network and host ranges.  There are four
[05:55] <nictuku>                      principal address classes: A, B, C, and D. Class A IP addresses would typically be
[05:55] <nictuku>                      used in very large organizations and have the format 
[05:55] <nictuku>                      network.host.host.host whereas
[05:55] <nictuku>                      the more common Class C address could be used in smaller organizations and is
[05:55] <nictuku>                      often used for individual host subscribers to Internet Service Providers. A Class
[05:55] <nictuku>                      C address would resemble network.network.network.host
[05:55] <nictuku>                      Class D addresses are special in that they are known as 
[05:55] <nictuku>                      Multicast addresses.
[05:55] <nictuku>                      Some examples of valid IP addresses are 127.0.0.1 and 82.211.81.166."
[05:55] <nictuku> oops
[05:55] <nictuku> i thought that was an oneliner
[05:55] <nictuku> well, that information is not precise
[06:16] <nictuku> are the docs freezed?
[06:22] <Madpilot> yes
[06:29] <nictuku> :-(
[06:29] <nictuku> I've opened #41223 anyway
[06:39] <Madpilot> we can break freeze for typos & errors - it'll be up to the server guide maintainers, though
[06:48] <nictuku> should I send an e-mail to ubuntu-doc or something?
[06:52] <Madpilot> the docteam mailing list just got a copy of your bug report, nictuku 
[06:52] <nictuku> ah ok
[07:58] <Madpilot> hi robitaille 
[08:01] <robitaille> Ni Madpilot 
[08:01] <robitaille> Hi is probably better :)
[08:01] <Madpilot> Ni!
[08:01] <Madpilot> I suppose you want a shrubbery, too? ;)
[08:02] <robitaille> I have to watch that movie again soon.  I haven't seen it in years
[08:03] <Madpilot> I own Holy Grail on VHS, actually
[08:03] <Madpilot> just about the only movie I own :P
[08:03] <robitaille> I have a copy taped from PBS when I was an university student.  THe quality is probably bad now
[08:16] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Kubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png <-- for the Kubuntu DG
[09:08] <mdke> morning
[09:08] <Madpilot> hi mdke 
[09:09] <mdke> thanks for doing those images
[09:09] <Madpilot> np - Inkscape is a pleasure to play with
[09:10] <mdke> Madpilot, are you ok with cq size?
[09:11] <Madpilot> of course
[09:11] <Madpilot> I had just thought we were going with 6x9, that's all
[09:13] <mdke> i kinda counted the votes on the ML (2/1)
[09:13] <mdke> then asked in here, and most people liked CQ
[09:14] <Madpilot> CQ is popular for tech books, so we might as well join in ;)
[09:14] <Madpilot> just for fun: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Xubuntu_Lulu_cover_draft_CQsize.png
[09:14] <mdke> cool :D
[09:15] <Madpilot> I'm not to sure about the blue/tan combo, but the Xubuntu palette is currently more limited than the Ubuntu/Kubuntu one
[09:23] <mdke> Madpilot, now you're the official doc team artist, any thoughts on the "note" icons best solution?
[09:23] <Madpilot> you mentioned you had some B&W versions?
[09:23] <mdke> yes, except for "note"
[09:24] <mdke> for now I've given "note" and "tip" the same icon
[09:24] <mdke> but that's kinda a bad solution
[09:25] <mdke> i'd rather (1) have a note icon, or (2) not distinguish between note/tip in the preface
[09:27] <Madpilot> we do in the online/Yelp versions, so we should in all versions
[09:28] <Madpilot> give me a moment, got something else I'm in the middle of
[09:28] <mdke> yes, (2) would have to include the online versions
[09:32] <mdke> bbl
[09:36] <bhuvan> mdke: "for now I've given "note" and "tip" the same icon" -- in which document ?
[09:39] <Madpilot> bhuvan, in the PDFs that're destined for Lulu
[09:40] <Madpilot> gah - what do I have to do to get all the /branch SVN stuff included in 'svn up'?
[09:41] <bhuvan> Madpilot, ok
[09:48] <Madpilot> ...what am I missing in my svn setup? I don't have the Dapper /branch stuff coming down
[10:24] <mdke> Madpilot, svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper somefolder/
[10:24] <Madpilot> thanks
[10:26] <Madpilot> ...that's quite a scroll... ;)
[11:15] <Madpilot> mdke, got some b&w admons done - uploading to my webspace now
[11:16] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/important.png
[11:16] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/note.png
[11:21] <Madpilot> just changed note.png slightly - thicker borders, smaller question mark.
[11:23] <Madpilot> need sleep - comments by email as needed
[11:23] <mdke> Madpilot, brilliant, thanks
[11:24] <Madpilot> I've got the SVGs too - one sec, I'll upload them - look for them in /temp on my site
[11:24] <Madpilot> SVG for both is up
[11:25] <Madpilot> g'night
[11:26] <mdke> night :)
[04:22] <mpt> mdke, Rosetta should be usable now
[04:22] <mpt> in Konqueror, even
[04:39] <mdke> mpt, rock *hugs*
[05:32] <robotgeek> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-April/001146.html will be dugg
[05:33] <jjesse> that's sadfl's email?
[05:33] <robotgeek> yup
[05:33] <jjesse> he also sent it to ubuntu-announc
[05:33] <robotgeek> ah, okay. 
[05:34] <mdke> dugg?
[05:34] <robotgeek> mdke: yeah, someone will go and post this on digg, and people will comment (as usual)
[05:35] <mdke> ah
[05:35] <mdke> I hope kubuntu doesn't go too far away from ubuntu
[05:35] <mdke> i like the idea that they are all one and the same
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hello!
[05:36] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[05:37] <jjesse> mdke: agreed 
[05:37] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco
[05:37] <jsgotangco> jjesse: morning!
[05:38] <robotgeek> howdy jsgotangco 
[05:39] <mdke> LaserJock_away, wake up!
[05:48] <mdke> trappist, any views on bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/41223
[05:54] <jeffsch> mdke: are you making a bzr setup on d.u.c.?
[05:54] <mdke> jeffsch, LaserJock_away was thinking about testing it out
[05:54] <jeffsch> count me in
[05:54] <mdke> will do, thanks
[05:55] <mdke> username?
[05:55] <jeffsch> i have moved styleguide to bzr for testing
[05:55] <jeffsch> username jeffsch
[05:55] <jeffsch> but i am having trouble getting it on my server
[05:55] <mdke> jjesse, username?
[05:55] <jeffsch> bzr push fails :(
[05:56] <trappist> mdke: I don't have any formal education in networking, so I can't speak to whether he's right or wrong, but I do agree with his suggestion.  I don't think that kind of information really needs to be in the serverguide.
[05:57] <mdke> trappist, good, thanks.
[05:57] <trappist> mdke: I suppose making that change will, at worst, mean some translators will have wasted a few minutes of their lives... you want I should fix it?
[05:58] <mdke> trappist, doing it now
[05:59] <trappist> cool
[05:59] <mdke> the SG translations aren't particularly well progressed
[05:59] <trappist> I suppose that's a good thing
[05:59] <trappist> sorta
[06:01] <trappist> I was thinking of writing a doc on moving to 64bit computing, since I just got my first amd64 doc, but (correct me if I'm wrong) by the time it gets released it should be mostly obsolete.
[06:01] <trappist> <3 my 32bit chroot
[06:02] <trappist> maybe a wiki page would be more appropriate
[06:06] <trappist> well, the solution now for things like flash, w32codecs, etc. is to set up a 32bit chroot and run things like browsers and media players from there.  One of the goals for edgy is to have 32 and 64 bit environments nicely integrated so that's not necessary.
[06:07] <jjesse> mdke: jjesse is fine :)
[06:08] <mdke> ok
[06:11] <jsgotangco> hmm ubuntu-doc bugs are coming that is good
[06:11] <jjesse> shouldn't that be bad that there are problems :P
[06:12] <mdke> it shows people are reading em :)
[06:13] <jsgotangco> mmm
[06:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:14] <jsgotangco> bugs are good
[06:14] <robotgeek> bugs, good? nooo.
[06:15] <Qrious> howdy people
[06:15] <jeffsch> being aware of bugs is good
[06:15] <Qrious> I have a question, if you guys have the time
[06:15] <robotgeek> yeah, just kidding :)
[06:15] <jeffsch> :)
[06:15] <jjesse> howdy Qrious
[06:16] <jjesse> Qrious: what is your questioN?
[06:16] <Qrious>  I'm looking to make a wiki entry relating to manually editing refresh rates in xorg.conf
[06:17] <Qrious> man I'm such an IRC noob
[06:17] <jsgotangco> i don't think such a thing exists or else us at X-SWAT would have already pointed to it
[06:18] <jsgotangco> maybe i should write one for debugging purposes 
[06:18] <jjesse> Qrious: i don't know of one off the top of my head, nayone else?
[06:18] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto?highlight=%28xorg%29 Qrious 
[06:19] <Qrious> a ha
[06:19] <Qrious> kudos to the geek with the metallic exterior
[06:20] <jsgotangco> robotgeek: that is a nice page
[06:21] <jsgotangco> there's also a page about Xorg AutoConfiguration
[06:21] <jsgotangco> when autoconf fails during setup
[06:21] <Qrious> I wish the wiki had better context search
[06:22] <Qrious> like a keywords system
[06:22] <stuii> aye
[06:22] <stuii> now look here
[06:22] <stuii> I cannot launch gnome-app-install
[06:23] <mdke> stuii, you might want #ubuntu
[06:23] <stuii> rightho
[06:23] <jsgotangco> lol i could have asked him something
[06:23] <Qrious> Do you guys have any need for someone who can write a nice paragraph but isn't too familiar with writing code?
[06:24] <mdke> Qrious, yeah, that's what we're all about
[06:24] <Qrious> charming guy that stuii
[06:24] <Qrious> Last time I joined the mailing list, I got the sense I was in way over my head
[06:24] <robotgeek> Qrious: we all fit that description :)
[06:24] <Qrious> sweet
[06:25] <mdke> we definitely like people who can write
[06:25] <Qrious> Well that's my forte
[06:25] <mdke> there is always lots of proof reading and such to be done
[06:25] <Qrious> I'm a total grammar & spelling pedant
[06:25] <mdke> you might like trappist 
[06:26] <robotgeek> Qrious: i leave my speelchecking to aspell, computer knows best :P
[06:26] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:27] <Qrious> true, but when it comes to grammar, even Bill and his mighty hordes can't get it right
[06:27] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo :)
[06:27] <jsgotangco> yeah i guess you guys are not qualified to join blatant-and-awkward LP team :D
[06:27] <Qrious> LP team?
[06:28] <jsgotangco> Qrious: https://launchpad.net/people/blatant-and-awkward
[06:28] <mdke> man, there is a team for everything nowadays
[06:29] <Qrious> brilliant!
[06:29] <jsgotangco> yeah next time i'll create docteam-slackers
[06:30] <jeffsch> Qrious: we need lots of help with the styleguide: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/index.html
[06:30] <jsgotangco> "this is the team that has been iactive for quite a while, but still lurks on the channel"
[06:32] <Qrious> Holy cow
[06:32] <Qrious> that's pretty extensive
[06:32] <Qrious> what needs doing?
[06:32] <Qrious> this is already pretty hands on by the looks of things
[06:32] <jsgotangco> lots of love and review
[06:33] <Qrious> A guide to style needs style adjustments?
[06:33] <jsgotangco> naw probably needs more style tips
[06:33] <jeffsch> yeah, it's not done yet
[06:33] <jeffsch> read through it and you will see the missing bits
[06:34] <Qrious> ah, just spotted a Todo
[06:34] <mdke> jeffsch, we need to include some things about how we use some docbook tags too, I think
[06:34] <jeffsch> yes definitely
[06:35] <mdke> things like <xref linkend>, xreflabel and procedure etc
[06:35] <jsgotangco> what we planned before is the styleguide becomes a chapter of a whole docteam manual
[06:35] <jeffsch> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/styleguide-docbook-style.html
[06:35] <mdke> the serverguide and desktopguides are miles apart, for example, when it comes to things like installing programs etc
[06:36] <mdke> one says "Do this: apt-get install X", the other says "install package X (see <xref linkend="add-applications"/>).
[06:36] <mdke> it would be nice to have consistency on things like that
[06:37] <mdke> yeah, that section would be perfect
[06:37] <Qrious> Surely the problem with writing the style guide is that I haven't a clue what is needed
[06:38] <jeffsch> Qrious: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/styleguide/en/terminology-2.html
[06:39] <jeffsch> doh! a typo on that page! "do not sue the punctuation in your text"
[06:41] <Qrious> ye gods, this style guide is basically "how to write wiki documentation for dummies" then
[06:43] <jsgotangco> heh will i take that as good news or not?
[06:43] <jsgotangco> i even hit LWN by announcing that guide
[06:43] <Qrious> Well like I said, it's very hands on. It's everything you need, and more
[06:44] <Qrious> It's a commendable effort, but the format is intimidating
[06:46] <jsgotangco> i agree
[06:46] <Qrious> The big thing about the docs system right now as far as I can tell is accessibility
[06:47] <Qrious> Loads of people ask questions in the forum simply because they can't track down the entry that relates to them
[06:48] <Qrious> I agree with the point about semicolons btw, nobody seems to know what they're for anymore
[06:52] <Qrious> Thing is though, I'm at the stage where I should be taking notes from the style guide rather than making entries, since I don't know some of the terminology, I'm totally unfamiliar with Docbook and I haven't been around to see what the docteam are looking for
[06:52] <Qrious> I'll definitely have a look at the WikiToDo though
[06:53] <jsgotangco> feel free to dive in anytime
[06:53] <jsgotangco> until the time you're really soaked
[06:55] <Qrious> I'll probably be in over my head before long
[06:55] <mdke> just ask here if you need any help
[06:55] <jsgotangco> yeah Madpilot used to say that before
[06:56] <jsgotangco> now he's a certified docbook geek
[06:56] <jsgotangco> even managed to finish a whole guide with mdke ;)
[06:56] <Qrious> Perhaps one day I can attain a similar geekdom
[06:56] <Qrious> one day
[06:56] <jsgotangco> its never too late
[06:58] <Qrious> What about management of the structure and searchability of the wiki, how & when is that being done?
[06:59] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm awake!
[06:59] <mdke> phew
[06:59] <mdke> now check your email
[06:59] <mdke> Qrious, we're about to move the wiki documentation to its own wiki. As for searchability, no progress has yet been made to improve the moin search function
[07:01] <Qrious> hold on, does xchat highlight posts that mention your name? cunning] 
[07:01] <jsgotangco> Qrious: if you'd like a docbook success story, i only learned docbook here around late 2004 but im not really an advanced docbook person but i got to work with the UN for some projects involving FOSS and docbook
[07:01] <Qrious> coolness
[07:04] <Qrious> I'll have a go at kickstarting a few of these general guides sometime
[07:05] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm on it ;-)
[07:05] <mdke> LaserJock, thanks
[07:06] <Qrious> catch you guys later, and thanks for the info
[07:09] <mdke> LaserJock, insane. It's cheaper to ship it to me than to you
[07:09] <mdke> i think we'll go with you anyway, it'll be faster, right?
[07:10] <jsgotangco> huh
[07:11] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i hope you're not smuggling your lasers to london
[07:12] <mdke> LaserJock, oh no, there are cheaper shipping options, cool
[07:17] <mdke> ok, off it goes
[07:20] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, I was getting worried
[07:20] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: no smuggling here. I haven't even been to Canada even :-)
[07:22] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:24] <LaserJock> mdke: so how much was the shipping? and what method?
[08:06] <mdke> LaserJock, 7 dollars or so? 
[08:06] <mdke> actually, it was 6 dollars to me, despite the fact that it involved one more aeroplane
[08:07] <mdke> crazy americans
[08:08] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, it is coming from the East Coast
[08:08] <mdke> oh, i see
[08:08] <LaserJock> mdke: what method? UPS ground?
[08:08] <mdke> erm
[08:08] <mdke> url?
[08:10] <mdke> USPS Priority Mail
[08:12] <LaserJock> oh, that should get here pretty quick then
[08:12] <mdke> hope so
[08:12] <mdke> I'll tell you when it is despatched
[08:13] <LaserJock> mdke: what do you want me to do with it when I get it?
[08:13] <LaserJock> read it? :-)
[08:13] <mdke> well, see what it looks like
[08:13] <mdke> if the printing quality is ok, formatting, and so on
[08:13] <jjesse> is that for the lulu book?
[08:14] <LaserJock> should I scan a few pages and post them?
[08:14] <mdke> LaserJock, I dunno. Let's wait til it arrives
[08:14] <mdke> jjesse, yeah
[08:14] <LaserJock> mdke: yeah, I suppose I'm getting the cart before the horse :-)
[08:14] <LaserJock> I just think it is quite cool
[08:15] <mdke> me too
[11:45] <LaserJock> mdke: still awake?
[11:45] <LaserJock> mdke: I apparently need to move to the UK :-)
[11:46] <mdke> LaserJock, yes, what's up?
[11:46] <LaserJock> mdke: did you make accounts for jjesse and jeffsch ?
[11:46] <mdke> no, I haven't yet.
[11:47] <mdke> LaserJock, do you want me to do anything more than that?
[11:47] <LaserJock> mdke: could you make a group (bzrdoc or something) that we all belong to?
[11:48] <LaserJock> mdke: then I can chown the bzr repo to that group and we would have rw access
[11:49] <mdke> jeffsch, around?
[11:49] <jeffsch> mdke: yep
[11:49] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, I found a pretty nifty way for people to checkout the repo, you can just make a tarball
[11:50] <mdke> ok, just making the group
[11:50] <LaserJock> so the initial checkout could be a 57MB download
[11:52] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if that really helps the dialup users
[11:53] <mdke> how do you add people to groups and only specify the NEW group?
[11:55] <LaserJock> what are you using to modify the users?
[11:56] <mdke> I'm open to suggestions, I was looking at usermod
[11:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I would have though -G would do it but the manpage makes me unsure
[11:58] <mdke> you need to specify all groups with -G, I think
[11:58] <mdke> although, I have no idea whether it makes a difference
[11:58] <mdke> i'm gonna read something about it
[11:58] <LaserJock> mdke: just use me as a guinea pig ;-)
[11:59] <LaserJock> mdke: wait, you just want to add all of us to the new group, right?
[12:01] <mdke> matt@hudson:~$ sudo adduser laserjock bzrgrp
[12:01] <mdke> Adding user `laserjock' to group `bzrgrp'...
[12:01] <mdke> Done.
[12:01] <LaserJock> you could also edit /etc/group
[12:01] <mdke> ah
[12:02] <mdke> who else wants to be involved in this lark?
[12:02] <LaserJock> jjesse
[12:02] <mdke> I haven't done jjesse yet because I wanted to tell him his password
[12:02] <mdke> but I could mail it, I guess